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One time there was this couch surfer
and she was a singing teacher, like,

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and I'm like, huh, can
you teach anyone how to sing?

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And she's like, if you can
tell the difference between two notes, you

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can sing. So you can do
the wooo, you can sing. Welcome

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to Scary Mystery Surprise, where we
talk about scary things that surprised us.

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Around the inter half, I'm Edwin
and I'm Michelle Edwin. What do you

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know about the Bermuda Triangle? You
know, it's one of those things that

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I hear a lot about, but
uh huh, I don't know anything about.

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I don't even know where it is. That's so funny, you know,

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like in grade school, why was
it? Because I thought it was

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such a big deal that in like
quicksand I just assumed the Bermuda Triangle and

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quicksand we're going to be bigger parts
of my life. Then they Yeah,

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you know, I remember reading a
magazine like you know, Scholastic. Yeah,

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they must have done something. Yeah. Honestly, I knew it was

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off the coast of Florida and Bermuda, but I was like, where is

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the triangle? But it's like Florida
Bermuda and Puerto Rico. But yeah,

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in this triangle, I guess I
always just imagine some sort of swirling triangular

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vortex and you cross the boundary and
then you're just sucked into like another dimensioned

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like Amelia Earhart's there for some reason. And then I I've been here all

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this time. I somehow ended up
in the Bermuda triangle. But yeah,

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then everyone who's disappeared throughout time is
also in this vortex. So you know,

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you just walk in and you're like, uh, oh, do you

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remember there's a Stephen King book that
has like a wall, like a it's

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called I think it's the Dome.
Is that what it's called. I forgot

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that. I don't know. That's
what I imagined it like literally a physical

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thing. That's what I did too. Yeah, you just like somehow cross

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it and then you're in trouble.
And it's always like in perpetual fog.

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You know you're going to cross this
weird boundary and possibly get lost forever in

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the folds of time. There have
been some notable disappearances that have contributed to

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this story. As we all imagine
this foggy triangle vortex, there's like ships

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that have disappeared, there's planes that
have disappeared, there are people that have

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disappeared, So it all adds to
this legend, right. So the HMS

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Atlanta, which ironically is the goddess
of running in Greek mythology. The ship

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was originally called the HMS Juno and
as we know from our episode, the

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very Celeste as bad news to rename
your boats mistake. So in eighteen eighty

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the sailing ship the HMS Atalanta disappeared
with her entire crew after setting sail from

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the Royal Navy Dockyard in Bermuda,
and it was going to go to England,

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but no survivors or the ship were
ever found. Wow, I know,

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which is pretty nuts. And then
another one that happened in nineteen eighteen

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was the loss of the USS Cyclops, which resulted in the single largest loss

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of life in the history of the
US Navy, not related to combat.

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It was carrying a load of mangales
or super heavy stuff, and it had

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one of its engines out of order, and then it disappeared without a trace,

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with three hundred and six members of
that crew disappeared. There were like

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tons of theories about it. There's
like, no evidence to really support anything.

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I mean, there's like blaming storms, some capsizing, some suggesting there

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was wartime enemy activity to blame for
the loss, but there's no definitive pirates.

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Nobody said pirates. I mean,
pirates are pretty logical. Pirates could

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be it too. And then probably
one of the more famous cases is Flight

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nineteen, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know fly Everyone kind

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of knows Flight nineteen. Flight nineteen
was a training flight of five TBM Avenger

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torpedo bombers that disappeared December fifth,
nineteen forty five, while over the Atlantic.

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The squadron's flight plan was scheduled to
take them due east from Fort Lauderdale

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and then back over a final leg
to complete the exercise. The flight never

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returned to base, and the planes
and the crew disappeared without a trace.

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We're in modern times, right,
and even when a plane now like disappears,

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I'm like, how can we not
find where it went? What is

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it? That? Malaysia Yeah,
Malaysia Airlines, yeah, flight yeah,

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I mean yeah, where is it? How can you not find it?

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It's weird. And then one of
the search and rescue aircraft that was deployed

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to look for flight nineteen also disappeared. What yeah, it was a PBM

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Mariner. I don't know planes,
but apparently that's what it was. They're

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just there there, hanging out still. They're like, ah, let's just

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not go back. It was just
like, oh, yeah, you know,

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it's kind of nice here in this
cloudy vortex with Amelia Earhart. Another

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disappearance was an aircraft Douglas DC three. It disappeared without a trace, thirty

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two people on board and no one
was ever found. So that's pretty weird

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too. The Katamara four was a
pleasure yacht and was found adrift in the

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Atlantic Ocean just south of Bermuda in
nineteen fifty five, and it's usually stated

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that the crew vanished while the yachts
survived, being at sea for during three

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hurricanes. So it was another mysterious
disappearance I know. In nineteen sixty three,

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two aircrafts collided in the Atlantic three
hundred miles west of Bermuda. While

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they did collide, there were two
distinctive crash sites, apparently separated over one

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hundred and sixty miles of water.
That didn't make sense to anybody, like

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why were they so separate? Paranormally. The explanations range and they are delightful.

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It's Atlantis, that is one of
the biggest theories is that it's where

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Atlantis is. And like a lot
of the disappearances are blamed on leftover technology

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that is, you know, damaging
mechanics doing all sorts of like wood ships

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didn't have mechanics. Book, it's
you know, doing stuff like that,

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and that's submerged rock formations. And
weirdly enough, there was that rock formation

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called the Bimini Road that was found
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which is in the triangle according to
some definitions, like the triangle we've

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established is pretty loose, but like
the trying sometimes the Bimini Road is considered

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in there. Bimini Road. Yeah, it's this road they found that like

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just leads into the water. Yeah. And then followers of reported psychic Edgar

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Casey. Have you ever heard of
Edgar Casey? No? Oh, he

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might be a good episode to do
because he was like an American clairvoyant who

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like talked all about healing, reincarnation, dreams, after life, past life,

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nutrition, atlantis, and future events. He like made predictions and he

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was like born in like eighteen seventy
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forty five. So he made all
these predictions, and he predicted that Atlantis

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would be found in nineteen sixty eight. Referring to the Bimini Road, the

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discovery of the Bimini Road is like
when that was discovered. So believers in

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the bimen Any Road describe it as
like a road or a wall. Other

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people think the Bimini Road is just
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but that can be argued about everything
looks cool. Another theory parallel universe.

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You know my favorite Amelia Earhart universe. Some people hypothesize that of parallel universe

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exists in the Bermuda Triangle, thus
causing time and space to warp that sucks

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objects around it into it into a
parallel universe, which it might be.

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My favorite is that there's a parallel
universe of lost adventurers who are just kind

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of stuck. We slipped through time
on accident. It's like lost, that's

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what I lost. And then of
course our classic UFO, it could just

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be aliens. They're just kidnapping,
taking planes and ships and just every couple

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of years they decide to like abduct
someone in that zone. I don't know.

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Like after reading about that pilot that
disappeared in the air, I was

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like, yeah, I mean he
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never know, you never know.
Maybe that's where flight nineteen went. Yep.

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But are we ready? Are we
ready to suck the magic out?

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Oh? No, I hate the
truth. I know we're about to have

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all the magic sucked out of all
of this. So Appearance's man named Larry

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Kusha, who wrote this book in
nineteen seventy five, called the Bermuda Triangle

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Solved, and he claims that many
writers have exaggerated dubious and unverifiable claims,

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and all you really have to do
is go back and look at newspapers from

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the time periods of each of these
disappearances and cases to find out if the

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weather was unusual, if things like
that that just weren't reported in the story

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and so like. He concludes that
a number of ships and aircraft's reported missing

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in the area was not significantly greater
or proportionally speaking, than in any other

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part of the ocean. So he
just remove the triangle. Just yeah,

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there's no triangle. It's all of
the ocean in an area frequented by tropical

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cyclones. The number of disappearances that
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neither disproportionate, unlikely, nor mysterious. Furthermore, riders often fail to

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mention such storms and represent disappearances of
having happened in calm conditions when meteorically records

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clearly contradict this. Numbers themselves have
been exaggerated in research. A boat's disappearance,

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for example, would be reported,
but eventually return to port and then

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not been reported that it had returned. So like, there's like a few

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cases of that, and then in
some cases some disappearance had not even happened.

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One plane crash that was supposed to
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in nineteen thirty seven off Daytona Beach, Florida, in front of hundreds of

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witnesses. So like that got attributed
to But the legend of the Bermuda Triangle

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is a manufacturer mystery, perpetuated by
writers who either purposely or unknowingly make misconceptions

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of faulty reasoning and sensationalism. So
I'm going to go back and revisit all

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those stories that I just told you, you know about the famous cases and

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gives like the logical thing that probably
happened to them. I know, it's

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going to ruin everything again. I
know the HMS Atlanta, it was actually

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a teaching vessel, so it was
like training these crew members. So the

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crew was really unexperienced, and there
was a gnarly storm that hit like within

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a couple weeks of it being at
sea, and it's just assumed that while

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there's no evidence of her fate,
that it's just the crew being inexperienced in

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a massive storm that took the ship
out. Also the USS Cyclops, so

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when it sank, people didn't know
what was going on with it. The

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Cyclops had two sister ships and both
were lost during World War Two, transporting

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heavy loads of metallic or similar to
what the Cyclops had been doing during her

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fatal voyage. And it's suspicious that
in all three cases it was probably structural

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failure in the cargo. That is, you know, the boat wasn't designed

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to haul a cargo, so it
sank all three of the sister ships.

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In the case of Flight nineteen,
we still haven't found that they probably ran

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out of gas and crashed in the
ocean, but where nobody knows that one

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aircraft that was deployed to look for
them, the PBM Mariner with the thirteen

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crew that Hals had disappeared a tanker
off the coast of Florida, saw an

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explosion, observing a widespread oil slick, and when they went to search for

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survivors they found none. And then
the weather became excessively stormy by the end

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of that like looking for them,
so you know, they stopped, so

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they quit. They stopped looking.
Also, the Mariner seaplane was notorious for

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exploding due to vapor leaks, and
it was loaded heavy with fuel potentially looking

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for the you know, flight nineteen. That sucks though, It's like so

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like they they go to try to
search for them, and then they also

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get lost. Yeah, it just
sucks. That's why there wasn't a third

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airplane or whatever. They're just like
that, they're done, they're gone.

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And then Douglas DC three, you
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what caused that one to go down
either, so you know, like there's

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still a little mystery the planes go
missing. The Kanamara four, the yacht

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that I mentioned earlier, apparently the
owner of the yacht had beached it because

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there was going to be a big
hurricane. What ended up happening, and

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that someone wrote in to confirm this
from Bermuda is that they moored the boat

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and in the wake of Hurricane Janet
it was so awe inspiring and dangerous that

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they observed that the Connamara had disappeared. And the investigation revealed that she had

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dragged its moorings and its anchor out
to sea, so it had just been

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dragged. No one was on it
when it got lost. And then you

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know how I was talking about those
two planes that crashed into each other,

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and they found the wreckage really far
apart from it two separate ones. No,

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but it's even stupider. Research show
that the Air Force investigation revealed that

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the debris defining the second crash site
was determined to be a mass of seaweed

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and driftwood tangled in an old booie. Huh, So there was only one

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crash site, but they thought there
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I don't know how I feel this. I know, I don't know how

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I feel either, because you know, the plane still disappeared. There's still

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some magic. Granted, they probably
did just crash into the ocean, and

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we just don't know where they are
in the ocean. The ocean is pretty

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big, in fact, pretty fucking
huge. And then there's this nice quote

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from Larry Kushaw that'll end on because
when you've gone back to the original sources

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or the people involved, the mystery
evaporates. Science does not have to answer

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questions about the Bermuda Triangle because those
questions are not valid in the first place.

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Ships and planes behave in the triangle
the same way they behave anywhere else

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in the world. So I guess
that resolves my childhood fear of the Bermuda

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Triangle. But I still can have
Quicksand that's funny because I used to be

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I used to think like, oh, yeah, worse is that Quicksand like

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when I would see puddles at school, I used to be like, oh,

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it's Quicksand they're also dramatic, like
dramatic deaths. One time, my

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cat was walking on this mud and
just like daintily walking on it, and

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I went to follow him. I
just I sank up to my knee.

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What happened if my brother had to
come pull me out could I get out?

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Like this is so so? I
guess that's my experience with Quicksand there

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are like a few other weird little
zones, like there's one in Japan.

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There's like a few little voids out
there that are just like the Bermuda Triangle.

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They have like the same legends,
but any of those are authentic.

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But it just seems like the Bermuda
Triangles just the ocean guys solved by Scary

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Mystery Surprise. Thank god we solved
that. We still don't know anything about

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quicksand that could still be a daily
problem. That's good. Anyway, what

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are we going to talk about next
week, Edwin, I don't know.

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I think it'll be a surprise.
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edited and sound designed by Sarah Borhez Wendel,

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