One time there was this couch surfer and she was a singing teacher, like,
and I'm like, huh, can you teach anyone how to sing?
And she's like, if you can tell the difference between two notes, you
can sing. So you can do the wooo, you can sing. Welcome
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Around the inter half, I'm Edwin and I'm Michelle Edwin. What do you
know about the Bermuda Triangle? You know, it's one of those things that
I hear a lot about, but uh huh, I don't know anything about.
I don't even know where it is. That's so funny, you know,
like in grade school, why was it? Because I thought it was
such a big deal that in like quicksand I just assumed the Bermuda Triangle and
quicksand we're going to be bigger parts of my life. Then they Yeah,
you know, I remember reading a magazine like you know, Scholastic. Yeah,
they must have done something. Yeah. Honestly, I knew it was
off the coast of Florida and Bermuda, but I was like, where is
the triangle? But it's like Florida Bermuda and Puerto Rico. But yeah,
in this triangle, I guess I always just imagine some sort of swirling triangular
vortex and you cross the boundary and then you're just sucked into like another dimensioned
like Amelia Earhart's there for some reason. And then I I've been here all
this time. I somehow ended up in the Bermuda triangle. But yeah,
then everyone who's disappeared throughout time is also in this vortex. So you know,
you just walk in and you're like, uh, oh, do you
remember there's a Stephen King book that has like a wall, like a it's
called I think it's the Dome. Is that what it's called. I forgot
that. I don't know. That's what I imagined it like literally a physical
thing. That's what I did too. Yeah, you just like somehow cross
it and then you're in trouble. And it's always like in perpetual fog.
You know you're going to cross this weird boundary and possibly get lost forever in
the folds of time. There have been some notable disappearances that have contributed to
this story. As we all imagine this foggy triangle vortex, there's like ships
that have disappeared, there's planes that have disappeared, there are people that have
disappeared, So it all adds to this legend, right. So the HMS
Atlanta, which ironically is the goddess of running in Greek mythology. The ship
was originally called the HMS Juno and as we know from our episode, the
very Celeste as bad news to rename your boats mistake. So in eighteen eighty
the sailing ship the HMS Atalanta disappeared with her entire crew after setting sail from
the Royal Navy Dockyard in Bermuda, and it was going to go to England,
but no survivors or the ship were ever found. Wow, I know,
which is pretty nuts. And then another one that happened in nineteen eighteen
was the loss of the USS Cyclops, which resulted in the single largest loss
of life in the history of the US Navy, not related to combat.
It was carrying a load of mangales or super heavy stuff, and it had
one of its engines out of order, and then it disappeared without a trace,
with three hundred and six members of that crew disappeared. There were like
tons of theories about it. There's like, no evidence to really support anything.
I mean, there's like blaming storms, some capsizing, some suggesting there
was wartime enemy activity to blame for the loss, but there's no definitive pirates.
Nobody said pirates. I mean, pirates are pretty logical. Pirates could
be it too. And then probably one of the more famous cases is Flight
nineteen, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know fly Everyone kind
of knows Flight nineteen. Flight nineteen was a training flight of five TBM Avenger
torpedo bombers that disappeared December fifth, nineteen forty five, while over the Atlantic.
The squadron's flight plan was scheduled to take them due east from Fort Lauderdale
and then back over a final leg to complete the exercise. The flight never
returned to base, and the planes and the crew disappeared without a trace.
We're in modern times, right, and even when a plane now like disappears,
I'm like, how can we not find where it went? What is
it? That? Malaysia Yeah, Malaysia Airlines, yeah, flight yeah,
I mean yeah, where is it? How can you not find it?
It's weird. And then one of the search and rescue aircraft that was deployed
to look for flight nineteen also disappeared. What yeah, it was a PBM
Mariner. I don't know planes, but apparently that's what it was. They're
just there there, hanging out still. They're like, ah, let's just
not go back. It was just like, oh, yeah, you know,
it's kind of nice here in this cloudy vortex with Amelia Earhart. Another
disappearance was an aircraft Douglas DC three. It disappeared without a trace, thirty
two people on board and no one was ever found. So that's pretty weird
too. The Katamara four was a pleasure yacht and was found adrift in the
Atlantic Ocean just south of Bermuda in nineteen fifty five, and it's usually stated
that the crew vanished while the yachts survived, being at sea for during three
hurricanes. So it was another mysterious disappearance I know. In nineteen sixty three,
two aircrafts collided in the Atlantic three hundred miles west of Bermuda. While
they did collide, there were two distinctive crash sites, apparently separated over one
hundred and sixty miles of water. That didn't make sense to anybody, like
why were they so separate? Paranormally. The explanations range and they are delightful.
It's Atlantis, that is one of the biggest theories is that it's where
Atlantis is. And like a lot of the disappearances are blamed on leftover technology
that is, you know, damaging mechanics doing all sorts of like wood ships
didn't have mechanics. Book, it's you know, doing stuff like that,
and that's submerged rock formations. And weirdly enough, there was that rock formation
called the Bimini Road that was found in the Bahamas off Bimini in the Bahamas,
which is in the triangle according to some definitions, like the triangle we've
established is pretty loose, but like the trying sometimes the Bimini Road is considered
in there. Bimini Road. Yeah, it's this road they found that like
just leads into the water. Yeah. And then followers of reported psychic Edgar
Casey. Have you ever heard of Edgar Casey? No? Oh, he
might be a good episode to do because he was like an American clairvoyant who
like talked all about healing, reincarnation, dreams, after life, past life,
nutrition, atlantis, and future events. He like made predictions and he
was like born in like eighteen seventy or something like that and died in nineteen
forty five. So he made all these predictions, and he predicted that Atlantis
would be found in nineteen sixty eight. Referring to the Bimini Road, the
discovery of the Bimini Road is like when that was discovered. So believers in
the bimen Any Road describe it as like a road or a wall. Other
people think the Bimini Road is just like natural, like a natural occurrence,
but that can be argued about everything looks cool. Another theory parallel universe.
You know my favorite Amelia Earhart universe. Some people hypothesize that of parallel universe
exists in the Bermuda Triangle, thus causing time and space to warp that sucks
objects around it into it into a parallel universe, which it might be.
My favorite is that there's a parallel universe of lost adventurers who are just kind
of stuck. We slipped through time on accident. It's like lost, that's
what I lost. And then of course our classic UFO, it could just
be aliens. They're just kidnapping, taking planes and ships and just every couple
of years they decide to like abduct someone in that zone. I don't know.
Like after reading about that pilot that disappeared in the air, I was
like, yeah, I mean he described something hovering, something underneath. You
never know, you never know. Maybe that's where flight nineteen went. Yep.
But are we ready? Are we ready to suck the magic out?
Oh? No, I hate the truth. I know we're about to have
all the magic sucked out of all of this. So Appearance's man named Larry
Kusha, who wrote this book in nineteen seventy five, called the Bermuda Triangle
Solved, and he claims that many writers have exaggerated dubious and unverifiable claims,
and all you really have to do is go back and look at newspapers from
the time periods of each of these disappearances and cases to find out if the
weather was unusual, if things like that that just weren't reported in the story
and so like. He concludes that a number of ships and aircraft's reported missing
in the area was not significantly greater or proportionally speaking, than in any other
part of the ocean. So he just remove the triangle. Just yeah,
there's no triangle. It's all of the ocean in an area frequented by tropical
cyclones. The number of disappearances that did occur where, for the most part,
neither disproportionate, unlikely, nor mysterious. Furthermore, riders often fail to
mention such storms and represent disappearances of having happened in calm conditions when meteorically records
clearly contradict this. Numbers themselves have been exaggerated in research. A boat's disappearance,
for example, would be reported, but eventually return to port and then
not been reported that it had returned. So like, there's like a few
cases of that, and then in some cases some disappearance had not even happened.
One plane crash that was supposed to have happened in the Bermuna Triangle happened
in nineteen thirty seven off Daytona Beach, Florida, in front of hundreds of
witnesses. So like that got attributed to But the legend of the Bermuda Triangle
is a manufacturer mystery, perpetuated by writers who either purposely or unknowingly make misconceptions
of faulty reasoning and sensationalism. So I'm going to go back and revisit all
those stories that I just told you, you know about the famous cases and
gives like the logical thing that probably happened to them. I know, it's
going to ruin everything again. I know the HMS Atlanta, it was actually
a teaching vessel, so it was like training these crew members. So the
crew was really unexperienced, and there was a gnarly storm that hit like within
a couple weeks of it being at sea, and it's just assumed that while
there's no evidence of her fate, that it's just the crew being inexperienced in
a massive storm that took the ship out. Also the USS Cyclops, so
when it sank, people didn't know what was going on with it. The
Cyclops had two sister ships and both were lost during World War Two, transporting
heavy loads of metallic or similar to what the Cyclops had been doing during her
fatal voyage. And it's suspicious that in all three cases it was probably structural
failure in the cargo. That is, you know, the boat wasn't designed
to haul a cargo, so it sank all three of the sister ships.
In the case of Flight nineteen, we still haven't found that they probably ran
out of gas and crashed in the ocean, but where nobody knows that one
aircraft that was deployed to look for them, the PBM Mariner with the thirteen
crew that Hals had disappeared a tanker off the coast of Florida, saw an
explosion, observing a widespread oil slick, and when they went to search for
survivors they found none. And then the weather became excessively stormy by the end
of that like looking for them, so you know, they stopped, so
they quit. They stopped looking. Also, the Mariner seaplane was notorious for
exploding due to vapor leaks, and it was loaded heavy with fuel potentially looking
for the you know, flight nineteen. That sucks though, It's like so
like they they go to try to search for them, and then they also
get lost. Yeah, it just sucks. That's why there wasn't a third
airplane or whatever. They're just like that, they're done, they're gone.
And then Douglas DC three, you know, they haven't been able to determine
what caused that one to go down either, so you know, like there's
still a little mystery the planes go missing. The Kanamara four, the yacht
that I mentioned earlier, apparently the owner of the yacht had beached it because
there was going to be a big hurricane. What ended up happening, and
that someone wrote in to confirm this from Bermuda is that they moored the boat
and in the wake of Hurricane Janet it was so awe inspiring and dangerous that
they observed that the Connamara had disappeared. And the investigation revealed that she had
dragged its moorings and its anchor out to sea, so it had just been
dragged. No one was on it when it got lost. And then you
know how I was talking about those two planes that crashed into each other,
and they found the wreckage really far apart from it two separate ones. No,
but it's even stupider. Research show that the Air Force investigation revealed that
the debris defining the second crash site was determined to be a mass of seaweed
and driftwood tangled in an old booie. Huh, So there was only one
crash site, but they thought there were, and that was the mystery.
I don't know how I feel this. I know, I don't know how
I feel either, because you know, the plane still disappeared. There's still
some magic. Granted, they probably did just crash into the ocean, and
we just don't know where they are in the ocean. The ocean is pretty
big, in fact, pretty fucking huge. And then there's this nice quote
from Larry Kushaw that'll end on because when you've gone back to the original sources
or the people involved, the mystery evaporates. Science does not have to answer
questions about the Bermuda Triangle because those questions are not valid in the first place.
Ships and planes behave in the triangle the same way they behave anywhere else
in the world. So I guess that resolves my childhood fear of the Bermuda
Triangle. But I still can have Quicksand that's funny because I used to be
I used to think like, oh, yeah, worse is that Quicksand like
when I would see puddles at school, I used to be like, oh,
it's Quicksand they're also dramatic, like dramatic deaths. One time, my
cat was walking on this mud and just like daintily walking on it, and
I went to follow him. I just I sank up to my knee.
What happened if my brother had to come pull me out could I get out?
Like this is so so? I guess that's my experience with Quicksand there
are like a few other weird little zones, like there's one in Japan.
There's like a few little voids out there that are just like the Bermuda Triangle.
They have like the same legends, but any of those are authentic.
But it just seems like the Bermuda Triangles just the ocean guys solved by Scary
Mystery Surprise. Thank god we solved that. We still don't know anything about
quicksand that could still be a daily problem. That's good. Anyway, what
are we going to talk about next week, Edwin, I don't know.
I think it'll be a surprise. Scary Mystery Surprise is hosted by Michelle Newman
and Edwin Komarubies. This podcast was edited and sound designed by Sarah Borhez Wendel,
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