1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,519 Hey, everybody, This is Life is a Gamble episode number three Wonder Hussey. 2 00:00:07,559 --> 00:00:11,160 Before we start, just a couple of brief announcements. I always love 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,480 hearing from me from you. I love hearing from me too, but I 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,359 love hearing from you. And you can reach me at Life is a Gamble 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,480 pod at gmail dot com, or you can find me on Twitter at our 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:47,880 WM twenty one. Now here's the show. My guest today is the fabulous 7 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:54,640 Wonder Hussey, whose real name is Sarah Jane Woodall. And I came across 8 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,920 a Wonder Hussey in a very interesting way. I have a friend who's many 9 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:04,040 many years ago said to me you should interview Wonder Hussey, and he thought 10 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,879 your Yelp reviews were so well written. He told me to go look up 11 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:12,680 your Yelp reviews, which I did, and I also was thoroughly entertained by 12 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:19,480 them. Wonder Hussey is a writer, a creator and artist of many sorts. 13 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,159 Also, I remember you did a story. There is a book that 14 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,239 comes out every year. I think it's called a Writer's Las Vegas. One 15 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,359 year it was called Back to Where You Once Belonged, and you had a 16 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,000 story in there, which I also greatly appreciated. I think about when you 17 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,319 were a in the old days, if you went to see a show, 18 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:47,040 they had camera girls who went around and took your picture and sold new pictures. 19 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,400 Now everybody has their phone, so that that kind of died. Oh 20 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,760 you guys, they're still out there, are they really? Yeah? That 21 00:01:55,879 --> 00:02:00,280 I can't believe that company is still in business. Wow, that is actually 22 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:04,560 amazing. But what I wanted to focus on today, this is a story 23 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:12,400 about people taking risks. And so after the camera job, you became a 24 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,599 nude model. Is that correct? Well? I did both at the same 25 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,719 time for quite a while, and then I found that I was making better 26 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:23,800 money and I enjoyed being a nude model more than being a camera girl. 27 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,560 So I quit being a camera girl. I'm focused on nude modeling full time. 28 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,560 And how did that first happen? Like, how did you hear about 29 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:37,680 it or find it? Well, I was already working as a freelance model, 30 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,039 mostly just to get headshots so that I could work trade shows and be 31 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:44,199 like a booth babe, you know, do promotional marketing. But this was 32 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,400 the recession of two thousand and eight. Let's go back in time to two 33 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:49,960 thousand and eight. Remember how terrible it was. Oh, I had an 34 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:53,360 underwater house. My mortgage was killing me. You know, I couldn't get 35 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:55,479 enough roommates to pay it, and so I had to turn to the dark 36 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,960 side. I used to go on Craigslist to find all my modeling gigs. 37 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:04,800 Oh my god. Back then, yeah, Soislist had different categories. You 38 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,240 know, pr marketing, you know events that. Well, they used to 39 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:14,199 have an adult category, which they don't have anymore because of some unfortunate murders. 40 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:16,719 But back then they had the adult category and I never checked that because 41 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:19,919 I was a nice gal. I just want to do trade show as well. 42 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 I was desperate one day before, I remember it just like it was 43 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,080 yesterday. I was sitting on the couch before I went into work as a 44 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,759 camera girl. I thought, I gotta make some more money. What can 45 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,680 I do? Wow, there's nothing in the gigs on Craigslist. Maybe I 46 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,840 should check the adult gigs. And so I did, and that's how I 47 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:38,319 got into Well, it's a long story, but that's basically how I got 48 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:44,759 into nude modeling. So for our audience who doesn't understand what this is, 49 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:51,360 this is not like doing pictures for Playboy. This is basically individuals who hire 50 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:57,199 you to pose for them, right exactly. So I'm I'm being a little 51 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,039 bit facetious when I say that I got on my work off Craigslist. I 52 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,960 got a lot of gigs off Craigslist when I was working as a booth model, 53 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,800 but for nude modeling, I actually used a modeling website. There's this 54 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:11,800 website called ModelMayhem dot com, and it's like a Facebook for models and photographers. 55 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:15,879 Because you don't, people don't realize there's a vast, vast, vast 56 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:19,439 amount of unfulfilled artists in this role. Okay, these guys that are doctors, 57 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:25,120 lawyers, engineers by day, well they always wanted to indulge their artistic 58 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:27,319 side. But you know, their parents wouldn't let them go to art school. 59 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,199 They had to go be a doctor, go be an engineer. Well, 60 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:32,560 they still have this unfulfilled artistic ambition, and so in their spare time 61 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,720 they like hiring models and creating what they feel to be beautiful works of art. 62 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,959 And so that was my audience on Model Mayhem. I had a profile. 63 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,959 You know, here's my name, here's what I do, Here's what 64 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,439 I charge. Hire me. If you're interested, I'm certainly not or wasn't 65 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:53,639 the best looking women in Las Vegas. There's plenty of beautiful women in Vegas, 66 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,160 and I'm the last I'm the last person who should be a model. 67 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:00,639 I always say I'm short, I'm built like a penguin, meaning that I 68 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,439 have a long torso and short legs. I'm flat chested, like I don't 69 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:10,680 have the physique of a model. But I have no tattoos, no breast 70 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,040 implants, and I have brass frigging balls. I'm not afraid to take people 71 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:18,480 out into the desert. And that was the thing that got me the most 72 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,959 work. Well, actually all three of those, the no tattoos, no 73 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:25,360 implants, and the fact that I was willing to take people out into the 74 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:29,160 desert because a lot of these guys want to photograph a beautiful art nude out 75 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,399 in a harsh desert landscape, but most models in Vegas are either too lazy 76 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:39,040 or too scared to go out into the middle of nowhere with a complete stranger. 77 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,160 Right. Well, I wasn't afraid. That was my m O. 78 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,720 I even had a little commercial I made and I posted it on YouTuber Vimeo. 79 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:49,240 Hey photographers, are you coming to Las Vegas? Have you always wanted 80 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,000 to shoot beautiful art nudes in the desert. Hi, I'm WONDERRESSI and for 81 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,000 five hundred dollars, I'll come pick you up at your hotel nine am. 82 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:02,399 I'll drive you around to three different beautiful desert locations and pose nude at each 83 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:06,319 one, and drop you back off at your hotel at five pm, eight 84 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,360 hour day. Five hundred dollars. And I did that over and over and 85 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:18,319 over. I once calculated how many strange men, and they were pretty much 86 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:23,000 exclusively men. How many strange men I took out to the middle of nowhere 87 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,839 and pose nude for? And it was over five hundred. Can you believe 88 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,519 it? Oh my god. But now, in the beginning, before you 89 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,839 got into marketing yourself like this, I mean, do you remember your very 90 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:38,399 first time? Well, I do the very first job. Yeah, I 91 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:41,800 do. Actually, the first nude photo shoot I did wasn't even for pay. 92 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,079 It was to prove a point to myself. I had just broken up 93 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,240 with a boyfriend who was very conservative, and so now I can you know, 94 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,240 I can be myself again. I'm free of this conservative yoke. I 95 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,120 can let my freak flag fly. And at that time I was modeling for 96 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,720 you know, headshots and stuff like that. Oh, I don't do any 97 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,720 dudes. I only do clothed well and I asked myself, well, if 98 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,199 I'm such an open minded free spirit, why won't I pose mood? So 99 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,519 I did a nude photo shoot just to prove a point to myself, for 100 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,279 no pay, with the photographer whose work I admired, and the pictures came 101 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:16,720 out really good. We went out to the desert outside Vegas under a freeway 102 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:19,759 overpass. It was not a glamorous location and I was kind of like, 103 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,319 what is this guy doing? But he was good. He understood light and 104 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,439 it was you know, shade filtered light under this over I don't know. 105 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:30,319 The pictures came out really good, and so I was able to use those 106 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:34,959 photos from that free shoot to promote myself and get paid work after that. 107 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,800 But okay, but it's one thing to go out with a guy that you 108 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:43,399 know and you've seen his work and you know he's legitimate. But what about 109 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:47,879 the first guy that was like off Craig's list or well there, but it 110 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,279 was a stranger, right, I mean right, the Craigslist thing that that 111 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,000 was a bad example. I went on Craigs. That's how I started fetish 112 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,399 modeling, which is sort of tied to nude modelling. But when it comes 113 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,720 to just talking about nude modeling, I didn't do a lot of nude modeling 114 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,000 off Craigslist. It was almost exclusively off Model Mayhem and so on Model Mayhem. 115 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,759 If somebody contacts you, it's just like Facebook. You get a message, 116 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,439 Hi, my name is Richard Munchkin and I'm a photographer based out of 117 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,399 you know, Pukeepsie, and i'd like to horror you. I'm working on 118 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:18,079 a coffee table book. There was working on a coffee table book, right, 119 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:24,360 well, I never saw one. Anyway, you can then now you 120 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:26,040 can go to their profile and look at their pictures and go, okay, 121 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,439 this guy's pretty good. And if you want, you know, they tag 122 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,679 the name of the model in the photos. So now you can click on 123 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,360 the model and go to heart profile and if you want, you could message 124 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:37,720 the model going, hey, you know, Richard Munchkin message me he wants 125 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,360 to do a photoshoop with me. I just want to check with you. 126 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,159 Was he okay to work with? And then you know, the model will 127 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:45,399 answer you, oh yeah, he was very nice. He's greater. Well, 128 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:46,960 I don't know, be careful working with him. You know, he 129 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:50,320 tried to grab my ass. Whatever. You can vet them more or less, 130 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,879 and if anything makes you feel uncomfortable, well you don't have to accept 131 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:58,120 the booking. So my first page shoot was on model Mayhem. This guy 132 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,000 I won't say more about other than his name was Bill and he was from 133 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,639 Massachusetts and he very nice guy. But man, I mean it was slightly 134 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,080 grim. I went to it. He was staying at Harrah's, which isn't 135 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,559 even a very nice hotel. This is before I got into the outdoor stuff. 136 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,559 So I go to his room at Harrah's and he's wearing a white undershirt 137 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,240 and you know, he's got a beer gut and it's just a dingy hotel 138 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,600 room. So here, okay, take this off, take that off. 139 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,399 I'm like, oh, man, I went to college. What is this 140 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,320 like? But you know I made I think I charged through one hundred and 141 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,000 fifty an hour for that shoot. For two hours, I made three hundred 142 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,240 bucks. I'm okay, Well I wasn't so bad, and so I did. 143 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,879 I shot in hotel rooms quite a bit. In fact, I often 144 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:46,000 say I've been in more Vegas hotel rooms than any hooker. But then I 145 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:50,720 grew to prefer shooting outdoors just because I felt I had more control over the 146 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:52,519 situation. I guess when I was shooting outdoors, because you know, people 147 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,200 go, oh, my gosh, weren't you scared to go out? You 148 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,559 know, take all these strange men out to the middle of the desert, 149 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,840 out to the middle of the door. Oh no, if you look at 150 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,840 it from their point of view, they were scared. They don't know where 151 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:07,039 I'm taking them. There's no cell signal. A lot of times it's super 152 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,960 hot, they have no idea where they are. They've got expensive camera gear 153 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 with him, They've got pockets full of cash with which they planned to pay 154 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,840 me. I could just as easily have taken them out somewhere and beat them 155 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:18,120 up and robbed them, you know, or had a posse out there waiting 156 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,559 for him. Then oftentimes when we got to the first location, the guy 157 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,519 would actually go, hey, hold on a minute, I need to text 158 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,399 my friends because they were worried about me. You know, I need to 159 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,399 let them know that I'm okay, Like they were just as scared as I 160 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:35,120 was. Believe it or not. Wow, Wow, I always tell people 161 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,399 flip the script like you, oh, a woman going out to the desert 162 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,919 by her. I found there was a weird, almost kind of power in 163 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,120 nakedness. So I would go, you know, I'm picked the guy up 164 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,279 at the hotel. Okay, we're going out. The first location we're gonna 165 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,440 go to is out by Lake Mead, So it's an hour long drive. 166 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,080 We drive for an hour or chit chat and get to know each other. 167 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,840 And I'm wearing like a little dress. I would always wear like a very 168 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,360 loose, baggy dress because I wear tight clothing. Well that's going to leave 169 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,080 marks on your skin, right, like from the elastic. And so then 170 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,480 when you take your clothes off, well, now he's got marks that he's 171 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,279 got a photoshop out, Like that's not professional. So I always wearing this 172 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,120 baggy dress. So we would get to the first location and okay, here 173 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,759 we are, get out of the car, he gets all his gear out. 174 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,200 We walk hike back to a place where no one can see us. 175 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,000 And then I would just whip off my dress. I mean it wasn't like 176 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,440 I was gonna coil flip out of it all sexy. No, I just 177 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,080 whip it off. And so like the guy would be bent over getting his 178 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,480 camera out of his bag or something, and then he would stand up and 179 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,360 I'd be standing there buck naked, and I mean a lot of times he 180 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,399 was visibly taken aback, like almost would off or afraid, and almost felt 181 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,600 like I was wearing this weird kind of force field, Like I almost always 182 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,320 felt like I had the upper hand. When I was shooting outdoors. Now 183 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,360 in a hotel room, I wasn't much different, But I don't know. 184 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,919 I guess I don't know why. I just preferred being outdoors because I like 185 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,759 the outdoors. I guess, yeah, wow, that's yeah, not what 186 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:01,679 I would have expected. But that's really interesting. None of this is anybody 187 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,600 would expect, Okay. I mean when you say, oh, nude modeling, 188 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,919 it just sounds so seed And I'm not gonna lie. Many of the 189 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:11,240 shoots I did, like that first one, I described a hair as it 190 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,240 was borderline ceed and depressing, but it's really you know, there's there are 191 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,480 hundreds of women in the country today that are making a full time living as 192 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,559 a freelance art nude model like I did. It's a totally legitimate way to 193 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,279 make a living. So just on the technical side, of this. You're 194 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,480 going out to the desert and it's hot and you're nude like, and you're 195 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:37,080 in the desert. I mean, it's rocks and dirt, and aren't your 196 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:41,519 feet burning up in some of these situations, I mean, are you It 197 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,200 sounds like much of this would be very uncomfortable. Well it was. None 198 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,480 of it was comfortable. Like. It was a miserable, miserable job. 199 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:50,679 And I wouldn't recommend it to anybody, and I wouldn't go back to I've 200 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,279 been retired for about four or five years now. I wouldn't go back to 201 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,600 it. But no, I mean, I'm in control of my own schedule, 202 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:58,440 so if it's your I don't have to book gigs. I mean I 203 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,200 didn't a ton of shoots in December January because it was too cold, And 204 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,759 I didn't book very many gigs in June, July, August because it was 205 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,080 too hot. Now, occasionally there would be a guy who, oh, 206 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,919 the heat doesn't bother me, and I actually, like, I actually enjoyed 207 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,600 those kind of shoots because, Okay, the guy says the heat doesn't bother 208 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,000 him, but he's not from around here. When we get out there, 209 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:20,559 he's gonna see how hot it is, He's gonna get tired after a couple 210 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,879 hours, and I'm gonna get paid for the whole day. So that actually 211 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:24,480 worked out in my favor for the most part. And on the one I'm 212 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,679 naked, you know, so he's the guy wearing clothes and sweating like, 213 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,759 you know, I'd be more worried about your feet. Well, I would 214 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,360 wear shoes until I got to wherever it was that they wanted me to pose, 215 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,840 an unfortunately a fair amount of the time they wanted me to wear high 216 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:45,879 heels, which I think is really silly, Like if you're up artistic nude 217 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,759 in the desert, why would you wear high heels or cowboy boots. But 218 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,360 I'm here to tell you I wore high heels or cowboy boots. And at 219 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,200 least fifty percent of these pictures, and these guys would all have the same 220 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 idea as too, Like they'd go, oh, I've got a really funny 221 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:00,200 idea for a shot. How about if we have you stand at the out 222 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,399 of the highway, lonely desert highway, just wearing high heels, nothing else 223 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,679 and hitchhiking. Oh, what a fun idea. Meanwhile, I did that 224 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,519 same exact shot with like fiftys. You know, I think Madonna did that 225 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,000 shot in her in her book, in her Sex. Yeah, it sex, 226 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,559 except it wasn't in the middle of the desert. I think it was 227 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,879 like Miami or something. Right. Well, you know there's that one too. 228 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:24,639 I've been listen, I've been naked hitchhiking in a bunch of different places. 229 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,759 It's a it's a it's a common trope, let's just say. And 230 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:31,840 so that was probably the hardest part of the job, in a weird way. 231 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:33,840 Was just suffering fools, if you know what I mean. Like, 232 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,720 suffering fools is a huge part of being a model. You don't have to 233 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,840 be the most beautiful girl, you don't have to have the best figure, 234 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,960 but you have to be able to suffer fools gladly when they show you, 235 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,039 Oh look at this picture I just took. Look how great it came out. 236 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,200 Oh wow, that's great, even though it's overexposed, underexposed, out 237 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,879 of focus, terrible composition, like cheesy. But you have to be an 238 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:58,799 ego stroker par excellence. And that was the thing that I got tired of 239 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:01,480 more than anything. Man. After a while, I just wanted to be 240 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,960 honest to go. No, your work is corny, you have zero talent. 241 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,039 You're an idiot. Give me your money and get the hell out of 242 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,559 here. You know you told me once that you had a this was a 243 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,440 good sound insane that you had a photographer who was blind. Oh I did. 244 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,919 He was legally blind. Well, I'm impressed that you remember this. 245 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,759 This guy. It's so bizarre, right. Can you forget guy from Australia 246 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:28,360 who was legally blind, so he had I guess tunnel vision to where he 247 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:35,000 could see, but not well enough to drive or do any number of things. 248 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,240 I don't know. He could see well enough, I guess, I 249 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:41,240 mean these cameras. Look, we've all seen that famous selfie that the monkey 250 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,639 took of itself on National Geographic. Okay, a monkey, you can take 251 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:48,039 a photo. Let's just put it that way. This poor blind guy, 252 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,399 I mean, he saw well enough. But I set up the whole thing. 253 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,440 I took him to the location, I did the pose, I held 254 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,039 up the piece of fabric whatever, and all he really had to do is 255 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,399 click the shutter. I don't mean to disparage that guycause he was really nice 256 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,720 and it ended up really opening up his world. Like from there he went 257 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:04,559 back to Australia and he joined Model Mayhem and he met all these other models 258 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:08,519 and photographers and he got this whole network of friends and it was very creatively 259 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,840 fulfilling for him. So I was actually really happy to have helped him out. 260 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,519 There. You go, art therapy, Yes, modeling is therapy. 261 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,759 So you mentioned that you moved into kink. How did that happen? Well, 262 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:26,679 sort of around the same time as I started new modeling, I needed 263 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,679 to pay my bills, my mortgage, and you know, I started the 264 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:34,480 nude shoots. But then I also thought, okay, let me check this 265 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:37,480 adult gig section on Craigslis. Well that's where all this fetish stuff came up, 266 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:40,840 and so I went, oh, okay, So with a lot of 267 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:42,240 fetish modeling, you don't have to be naked. You can be wearing a 268 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,360 bikini or regular clothes. I mean, you could be wearing fully clothed and 269 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:48,559 just drinking a root beer and burping and they'll pay you. Like weird stuff 270 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:53,320 like overeating donuts or spitting into a wine glass, like just weird stuff. 271 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,960 Well, what's the harm in that? I'll do that. And man, 272 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,159 I did a lot of fetish modeling couldn't current with my nude modeling. I 273 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:03,519 mean I was a full time freelance model. I would do nude modeling, 274 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,079 I would do fetish modeling. I would also do trade shows. I would 275 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,400 hand out flyers. Whatever you wanted to hire me for based on my looks, 276 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:17,160 I would do it. I didn't know that fetish went into these I 277 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,640 didn't know that was a fetish spitting into wineglasses or we don't have time in 278 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,920 this podcast, But boy, there's a fetish for everything. I've been some 279 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:32,079 very very weird days. So what is the most bizarre fetish that they asked 280 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,319 you to do? I'm glad you asked Come to find out, there's a 281 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:40,119 big fetish among men of a certain age. I guess for women blowing up 282 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,000 like blueberries. Okay, remember Willie Wonk. Yeah. Way, So there 283 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,960 was a segment demographic of guys who were just hitting puberty right when they saw 284 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,720 that scene and it did something to them. So there was this there's a 285 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:56,839 woman in Vegas, I think she still does it. She exclusively does what 286 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,920 she calls inflation videos. So you go over there and she has like the 287 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,799 very loosely scripted scene like the one that I did. I was a scientist 288 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,799 trying to grow the world's biggest blueberry from Monsanto, and I was going to 289 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,839 win the Nobel Prize if I could perfect this recipe. So I'm wearing a 290 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,160 lab coat, my hairs up, I got glasses on, and I have 291 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,839 this test tube full of the serum. And then I accidentally drop. Oh 292 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,480 no, a tiny bit of the serum got on my hand. Oh well, 293 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:23,319 just one drop, couldn't matter. But then all of a sudden, 294 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:27,960 my face are blue. I start swelling up really really big, bigger and 295 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,960 bigger. Next thing, you know, the buttons on my lab coat are 296 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,720 popping up. Oh no, I think like there's certain things you're supposed to 297 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,480 talk about, like oh gosh, I can feel the juice is swishing around 298 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:40,839 under my skin. My skin feels so taught. I feel like I'm going 299 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,559 to burst, like these certain keywords. The woman who did the she would 300 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:45,480 tell you like, okay, make sure you talk about how your skin is 301 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,839 gonna burst. But the thing the video that I did, these inflatable suits 302 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,759 are very expensive. There are these latex they're Japanese Latex inflatable suits. And 303 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,359 I don't don't ask me why they come in Japan, but they do anyway, 304 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,039 they're like eight hundred bucks, so she would reuse the suit as manytimes 305 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:06,279 she could. Well, by the time they made my video, the suit 306 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,119 was on its last legs and so her assistant accidentally overinflated it and I actually 307 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,720 exploded, which is what every fetishist really wants to see, the blueberry actually 308 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,799 blow up, but obviously they don't do that actually be very expensive, Well 309 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:21,480 in this video, it did happen, and so she was able to charge 310 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,119 more for that video, and it ended up being one of her best selling 311 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:30,079 videos of all time. Amazing, just amazing things you never things I never 312 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:36,680 would have thought of, but hey, whatever gives somebody a pleasure as long 313 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,119 as it doesn't hurt anybody else than Yeah, everything was consensual, and with 314 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,799 the fetish I thought this was interesting. With nude modeling, everybody who hired 315 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,920 me was a man. I think one time a couple hired me, but 316 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,559 so obviously the husband was really behind it. Basically all men hiring me with 317 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,079 fetish. All these fetish websites, most of them were run by women, 318 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,160 and so obviously the end user, the guy who's buying the clips, it's 319 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,240 a guy, but women were directing, shooting, starring in all these sense. 320 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,160 It was just kind of like all us girls gooping around wearing this blueberry 321 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,079 soon doing this blueberry thing, Like, oh it was it was actually kind 322 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:15,920 of fun. Yeah, it sounds like it. I mean, you're like 323 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,680 making a little movie or whatever. So yeah, and that's what I enjoyed 324 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,960 about it. She would have a very loose script, like with the Monsanto 325 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:25,839 blueberry thing. I came up with all those details. All she told me 326 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,240 was, Okay, you're a scientist and you're trying to make the world's biggest 327 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,599 blueberry. Well I'm a dramatic person, so and all of a sudden, 328 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:33,119 Oh, I'm working from Monsanto and I'm going to win the Nobel Proze. 329 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,519 And I like ad libbing dialogue and making weird stuff up. So it was 330 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,119 a lot of fun for me. So you did not think of these things 331 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,079 as risky or big gambles. Is there anything in your life where you did 332 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,720 think of it as risky or a big gamble? Well, yeah, some 333 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,039 of these shoots. To be honest, you know, I was always pretty 334 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,400 vanilla. I mean, even with nude modeling. We used to say, 335 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,880 like, you know, on your profile, you could say what you were 336 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,720 comfortable doing, what kinds of pictures you were comfortable shooting, And I would 337 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,720 always say, I'm comfortable shooting playboy style nudes, which means your legs, 338 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:10,480 your knees are together, you're not spreading it like that's penthouse or hustler stuff. 339 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,279 And then with fetish kind of the same thing, like, oh, 340 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,319 I don't really do anything like explicit, but every now and then somebody would 341 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,480 hire me for something that I really didn't feel comfortable with. A matter of 342 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,319 fact, Oh, you just reminded me. One of the very first fetish 343 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,960 gigs I did was on Craigslist and it was a guy who was doing a 344 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:30,559 tickle fetish video. Okay, there's a fetish for women being tickled, and 345 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,640 I was new to it, but I thought, okay, I have to 346 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,359 dress up like he said, to wear business clothes or somebody that he's going 347 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,480 to tie me up and tickle me. Okay, So I go to the 348 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,720 Excalibur, which set the excalibur, I go up to his room, knock 349 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:42,519 on the door, guy opened, Hey, Hi, come on in. 350 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,799 Okay, So here's the setup. The script for this is, I'm trying 351 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,559 I'm a guy who invented a game, and I'm trying to sell you this 352 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:52,240 game, and you're the casino executive, and you don't want to buy my 353 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,759 game. And so then I chloroform you, and I tie you up and 354 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,279 tickle you until finally you say, okay, okay, I'll buy your game. 355 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:03,559 Okay, sure sounds good. So he tied me up and chloroform you. 356 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,240 Now I don't know if this guy is really gonna chloroform you know, 357 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Like this guy actually tied me up and put a rag on my face. 358 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:11,279 Now, it was just a wash cloth, there was nothing on it, 359 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,880 and everything went fine, but that talk about a gamble man, it could 360 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,720 have gone yeah, right, I mean, and he really tied you up. 361 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:21,880 You were actually tied up, not just like fake tied up. Oh 362 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,559 gosh, I don't remember, but I'm thinked so yeah. I mean, 363 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,559 because they want it to look believable for the camera. I mean, probably 364 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,480 he didn't tie me up so tight that it hurt. Although, gosh, 365 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:33,920 another guy that I shot with a number of times did. I mean, 366 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,519 he tied you up real tight, and his thing was you were the babysitter 367 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:40,000 and he was little Johnny, and so little Johnny, you know, your 368 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,799 little Johnny's parents go out for the night. And okay, little Johnny, 369 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,519 what do you want to do. Let's play cops and robbers. I'll be 370 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,440 the robber, you'll be the cops. I'm gonna tie you up. Well, 371 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,400 okay, Johnny, but don't tie me too tight. Oh I won't 372 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,400 babysitter. Well, then guess what. He would tie you up a real 373 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,160 tie, and then he would just make fun of you and tease you, 374 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,400 and you would struggle around trying to get loose. And yeah, did you 375 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,480 ever did you ever have customer where you actually felt in danger? No? 376 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,200 And I do have a handgun, and so I didn't. I wasn't in 377 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,160 the habit of taking it with me on these photoshoots. But there were two 378 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,640 times when I did bring my gun, just because I was kind of weird 379 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,480 about weird at out about the situation. And both of those happened to be 380 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:19,839 off of Craigslist. Not Model Mayhem. Okay, model Mayhem. I felt 381 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,839 more secure because, like I said, I could vet resources Craigslist. You 382 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,920 don't know, I was just some guy on Craigslist. Well, I was 383 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,440 desperate, I needed money whatever, so I took these Craigslist bookings and two 384 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,200 of them I felt weird enough about that I brought my gun and both of 385 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,000 those times turned out to be just fine. I felt silly, and of 386 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:37,319 course I didn't tell the guy I had a gun with me. But that 387 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,559 was it. Two out of over five hundred. Wow, So what are 388 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:44,799 you doing now? You got out of this four years ago, five years 389 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:47,680 ago? What are you? What are you doing now? Well, so 390 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,680 with modeling, I was always out in the desert, right like, trying 391 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,960 to find cool new desert places to pose a nude because these guys they always 392 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,359 want to shoot you an old abandoned buildings or old abandon factories or you know 393 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,799 whatever. So I'm always out scouting around and trying to I find new a 394 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,559 band in places. Well, eventually I got more interested in scouting around the 395 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,000 abandoned places, and I started filming videos of that and putting them on YouTube, 396 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,559 And next thing you know, people started following me on YouTube, and 397 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,960 well, by gum, I got into YouTube being and now I have a 398 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,720 YouTube channel where I and the irony of all this is my YouTube videos are 399 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,640 completely PG or G even I'm totally clothed, and I make ten times as 400 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:29,319 much money as I did modeling naked. Really wow about that? Yeah, 401 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,880 so I have seen some of this. You go explore ghost towns and abandoned 402 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:41,440 places, and you're basically a desert rat. Basically. People seem to really 403 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,839 enjoy it. I have people from all over the world watching. Yeah, 404 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,400 all right, And you're also on Instagram? And are you doing anything? 405 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,039 Do you have any other creative outlets? Are you writing? Unfortunately, I 406 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,920 don't have time to write anywhere, and I enjoy writing quite a bit, 407 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,000 but youtubing takes up so much of my time. I write scripts for my 408 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,599 videos and that's about all I write anymore, unfortunately. Yeah. All right, 409 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,079 Well, for our listeners, go check out wonder Hussey. You can 410 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,960 find her on YouTube and on Instagram and I'll put links in the show notes. 411 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,640 And what about Yelp? Are you still writing any Yelp reviews? I 412 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,559 mean, I feel like Yelp is so rigged there's no point. I write 413 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:25,720 Google reviews every now and then, but you know, only when it's warranted. 414 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,200 Yeah, all right, Well, thank you so much for doing this. 415 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,200 I really appreciate it. Thank you. It's nice to get that off 416 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,119 my chest. Well that's it for today's show. If you like the show 417 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,680 and want to support the show. The best thing you can do is leave 418 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,119 a review wherever it is that you get this podcast. I really appreciate it, 419 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,920 and also tell a friend sorry, I have no recommended for you this 420 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:56,519 week. I didn't find anything that I thought was really worth recommending. So 421 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:12,319 have a good week and I'll see you next time.