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Hey everybody, this is Less Strive. Yes, yes I know aka
Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Audis he there and welcome
back to Sasquatchis. Thank you so much for being with us for the show.
It is Friday. I hope you're having a great week. We have
an amazing guest line up for you. But before we get there, I
want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like
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check it out, became remember there and help support the show. I
got to sit down and talk to David Race from the Monstrosity Podcast. He's
done radio for a ton of years. He's a comedian and he is now
the host of The Monstrosity Podcast where he sits down and talks to celebrities that
you've probably heard of in the past, and they have conversations about all things
strange like bigfoot, ghost UFOs, anything to do with a paranormal I will
link to Monstrosity here in the show notes for Apple Podcasts and Spotify, but
you can get it anywhere you listen to this show. In addition to talking
about some of the interesting stories that some of these celebrities have shared with David,
he's also here to share his bigfoot encounter, so you definitely don't want
to miss that. So I know you guys are ready to get into it.
David's on the line, He's ready to go. All you got to
do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show hard. I want
to welcome our guest to the show. It is David Race, the host
of the Monstrosity podcast. Welcome to the show. David, Hey, how
are you doing. I am good man. I am glad to have you
here. I've been looking forward to this conversation. So let's get right into
it. Before we get into the bigfoot stuff that we're going to talk about
tonight, let's talk a little bit about your show, how that became about
for you, because I know as a podcaster, everybody I talked to into
podcasting has some sort of a story that got them where they're at. Talk
about the impetus of your show and how that started for you. It's a
two part answer. The part one of that is that I was dis jocking
the radio for vizillion years. Having done that, I already had the whole
broadcasting foundation thing down from years of that. And then I became a standup
comedian on the East Coast back in the late nineties, moved to LA in
the early two thousands, continued doing under stand up. And as I was
going around town doing stand up all these years in LA, I started fighting
more or comedians were doing podcasts. I was hearing it left and right in
green rooms and things, and at first I really was skittish about it.
I didn't want to hear about anything that reminded me of radio. I was
like, I already did that. I'm gonna go do a radio show from
my house this time. No, I did not want to know about that.
So I feel like I was the last comedian I knew in LA to
get into the podcasting arena. But ultimately, around twenty fifteen, i'd say
throwing that idea around in my mind. I think I was in a shower
when it occurred to me that what if I do a podcast that's not just
like what all the other comedians were doing, which was just like the Johnny
Johnson Show or the Frank Stevens Show or Frank and his Friends. They were
all doing that. I was like, what if I hang a picture frame
around what this thing is? The construct around it would be comedians talking about
Bigfoot. And I knew that I have an incredible amount of knowledge and passion
on that topic. I knew that I could talk about that for days and
hours, and I knew the other comedians wouldn't. They probably be more cynical
and comedian issue back. But I thought, if you think of it as
a table, I thought, if I create a table that's me at one
leg, a couple comedians as the other two legs, and then a fourth
leg is Bobo finding Bigfoot. The next week it's somebody else from the big
Foot Organization of Oregon. If I create that table, that'll work. You
have me, I'm a comedian, I'm the host. I'm serious and knowledgeab
without the topic, but I can make jokes. You have two comedians that
are idiots that are going to probably try to wreck the show, and you
have Cliff Barrickman at the other peg. And I thought like that would be
an interesting show like this all came to me in a shower or something,
as I often do. I came out of the shower writing notes, frantically
writing down this idea before I forget this. That turned into comedians talking about
Bigfoot. That show got seven episodes in before it got me a TV deal,
end the up going and shooting a pilot TV deal with the guys who
had done Monster Quest. We went and shot for a week and I cast
two comedians in it with me. The construct was very similar to that podcast.
We shut the hell out of an episode, but there were various things
that weren't quite right and that kept it from selling and kept it from getting
off the ground. I still think it could have sold certain things that have
been allowed to be done by me and others, but that's Water and the
Ridge. It didn't sell for various reasons. Then I went back to the
drawing board and I was sitting around here in LA thinking, Okay, do
a podcast again, But do I want to do the same one again?
I want to bring that show back. At that point I had the two
year layoff, and I thought, you know what, bring in a podcast
that's almost the same but not quite exactly the same construct as that one.
Let's call it monstrosity, got monster in it show itself as a monstrosity.
I loved that word, and it became monstrosity with David Race. And the
construct difference between this and the Bigfoot one was I was going to focus more
on celebrity guests, not necessarily comedians, as the guests still put that other
guy, the serious person from the UFO show or the Bigfoot sho or the
Ghost show at the other end of that and go that sort of slight adjustments
from the old version of the show that's been running now a couple of years,
doing quite well. And I can't believe the significant celebrities that have just
come rolling in the door when after the next to do the show. And
you know, a lot of times, I don't know how this is happening.
By the way, I've been a lot of times my teenage crushes tend
to walk in. Don't know how they all find out about the show somehow
I got teenage crush after the teenage crush walking in there, with Daisy Duke
coming in, Lonnie Anderson came in. There's others I'm forgetting, And then
we've had rock stars on Shadows Stevens is a favorite episode of mine. He
was great, just one person half next to movie stars, tv stars,
rock stars, and they come in and I stick him in there with a
guy from anchiin Aliens or Matt Moneymaker or whatever. Let's talk a little bit
about some of the people that have been on the show and have shared their
experiences. I've done a little background. I know a little bit about the
show, so I know the answer to this. But how many of the
people that you're bringing on have an interest in Bigfoot and have anything to share
as far as encounters go with Bigfoot itself. That keeps surprising me because it's
not a requirement of the celebrity guest bookings on the show. I mean,
imagine, if I made a requirement you need to have had a big Foot
sight, like I'd be down to one one hundredths well, the celebrity in
Los Angeles. So we make it clear in the booking invites that you know,
you don't need to know anything. Davy'll handle that. You know that
money Maker'll handle that. You just you're along for the ride, you have
fun with it, or if you're interested in the topic, chime in.
You know that kind of. But what keeps happening, and again it's not
a required It keeps happening that celebrities are showing up who I find out unexpectedly
have had unusual experience. They keep laying them out there for him every time
they walk in. Lydia Cornell, I'm Too Close for Comfort ended up basically
revealing that she had been abducted by aliens. I don't think she even understood
that's what happened, but actually unfolded her story. It's clear to me that's
what happened. Shadow Stevens had some weird alien things. Robert Karendine from Revenge
of the Nerds had a thing where he was sitting at a table with some
guy at a diner, and he was the guy was telling him a story,
and he was getting really mad at somebody else in the story. He
was steaming mad. He was staring at the drinking glass on the table as
he was steaming mad about this thing this guy was telling him, and the
drinking glass exploded into a million pieces, like a creskin kind of thing.
They all keep coming at. Lonnie Anderson was filming the Jane Mansfield Story with
Arnold Schwarzenegger, and she was filming it in Jane mansfield old house, in
the house to Jane Mansfield lived in, and she feels she was being haunted
by Jane Mansfield's ghost during the filming. Actually had a visitation by the physical
ghost that she could see. She had a visitation while she was in Jane
mansfield shower and I asked her how clearly could she see the ghost that was
visiting, because it was very likely a male ghost photographer. But was the
sort of exchange that come up? But it's just yes. The answer is
there's no requirement that a celebrity come in and have these sort of knowledge based
things, but they seem too pretty consistent. Gotcha, Let's talk a little
bit about your personal experiences. I know again, for me, I got
in podcasting because the things that happened to me when I was a kid.
I've always been interested in Bigfoot, and I wanted to talk to as many
people as I possibly could that have had those kind of experiences. I haven't
seen one of these things, but I want to talk to a ton of
people who have. Is that sort of what got you interested in the subject.
Was it experiences that you had early on it was it just something that
you were into as a kid and then blossomed later in life. I know
you've had some experiences that I certainly want to get to and share with the
audience. I'd take a little bit of ball early on, long before I
had any experience, Like so many people, probably my age, I loved
that Leonard Nimway show in Serghow. I used to creep the hell out by
that show. Scared the hell out of me, but I couldn't turn it
off. Even the music on that show was scared, just like the background
of music, not the theme music, which was scary, but the actual
music they would lay under him while he's doing his narration. Most peculiar music
playing on that show. So it was just really well done. I loved
that show. I used to watch it that and it was a It was
a theatrical release of a Bigfoot thing when I was a kid, and I
remember fascinated me, like, not Harry and the Henderson's, not something silly
like that, something serious, something like on the Patterson Gimlin line, somewhere
like something like documentary I remember was released in the mid seventies when I was
a kid, and that was like something I was fascinated by. So the
topic was rolling around in me since childhood, and I think I'd be terrified
of but fascinated by a similar thing. UFOs also another thing that would really
interest me at time, and then later on in two thousand and seven,
October two two thousand and seven, to be exact, I have my experience.
So October two thousand and seven, my father owned a house upstate New
York. I grew up on Long Island, and he owned a vacation property
upstate in New York also that he would go to all the time. Then
I knew that probably most of my whole life. And in October two thousand
and seven, I was on the East Coast to see a Genesis concert.
Anybody who listens to my show even one episode, finds out I'm the world's
biggest Genesis fan, so I shouldn't be surprised to anybody that I flew three
thousand to see a rock con. So my wife and I are on the
East Coast seeing these Genesis shows. And then towards the end of that trip,
we went upstate to my father's house with him and his wife, and
while we were there, one night, my wife. Maybe on the first
night. She's standing outside on the porch. It's a log cabin house at
the top of a private properties on the plateau of a mountain, on a
private property. My father owned fifty five acre, and there's no one nearby.
I don't remember that you could see a house nearby. It's just out
there in the middle of the woods, a couple thousand feet up or something,
on the top of a plateau on a fifty five acre private gated property.
That's where this house is. It's a log cabin house. My wife
is standing outside ten o'clock at night or something, looking through the telescope,
and the stars are so crystal clear out there. And she's not into these
topics. This isn't her universe at all, this stuff. And I'm watching
her through the window. I'm in the living room seeing her through the glass,
and I'm noticing she keeps pulling down the telescope from her eye, looking
around, you know, like she heard something. How was that kind of
getting back to the telescope that seemed spooked again, unusual behavior for her.
And then after a few of these things, she comes in and says to
me, I don't like this I'm standing inside, and I said, what
what's going on? She goes, I feel like something's watching me, and
I'm hearing like noises over there, and then a rabbit ran by, very
scared. Again. I didn't think that much of this because I knew bigfoot
stuff from Leonard dee moy, from documentaries, from reading a little bit.
I probably had started to watch some of the big foot TV shows, but
there weren't as many as they're like Finding big But I think probably came on
around that time, maybe a little laughter that, and so I didn't I
wasn't like as well versed as I became, so I just took it as
just generally spookiness of the woods, and it directly goes that's a bigfoot incident.
I didn't think like that yet. Rest of night goes on pretty uneventfully.
We're in the house and things you would do in the house, and
then we went to bed for the night. The room that we were staying
in was on the opposite side of the house from the room my father and
his wife's standing, and so we have our own wall to the woods.
And at about three o'clock in the morning and the pitch dark, while we're
sound asleep. A smashing thump or two or three happens on the wall next
to our heads. And this is a hard as a rock log cabin.
This is not a shaky place. This is not some place that you can
knock down with a push. This was like like in that kind of pace.
Two or three hits right next to our heads, and the room was
staying in and it's pitch dark, and we're dead asleep, this dead dead
middle night. So we both jumped and looked at each other. What you
just woke and sid like the Cleveland of being woken up if someone had taken
two parades symbols back don't together. It was that kind of sudden wake up,
like three stooges stuff. We walk up, looked at each other,
and went the house. And then we both just looked at each other and
later our heads back down sleep. We didn't stand up and open the blinds
or seek out the window. We were so tired and so suddenly woken up
that we just throw ourselves back to sleep. Now, I can tell you
that anybody who's been in a traumatic car accident, as I was once,
the kind of knocks you out that you get really injured in. Most people
who've been those kinds of things will tell you that they don't remember the details
of the accident. They don't remember things like that a yellow car was coming
in and it hit us. Their brain doesn't let them see that in memory.
And it's like almost a God's way of protecting the mind from having to
suffer this trauma again, like he's gonna leave a blank cut in there and
you don't have to memorize that part of it. It's almost like some divine
intervention happened to keep us from getting up and looking through the blind because I
am positive that had I stood up instead of just looking at her and looking
at me in and just falling back down, the said we had stood up
with DRIs and went like this, just two feet away to the blinds.
I was staring face to face with a big book. Because there's nothing else
that could have done what this was in the middle of the woods, our
private property, fifty five acres in would no one around it now Later on
a month or a week later, I don't even remember how long after,
but if there's a record of it, I called the BFRO and reported this
whole story, and they interviewed me for two and a half hours. Then
they called me like a couple of days later, asked me more questions,
and I couldn't believe how thorough they were with the interview. I remember in
the follow up call, listen, David, were a little embarrassed to call
you and ask you this additional question, but it's an important one. Was
your wife men'st writing? And I was like, I think so, and
I wouldn't have asked her. And every woman has like a calendar with these
things written down on them. And she was, and he goes, was
the window open? It was opened like an inn with a screen. So
after my two hour call the first time and then my one hour call the
second time, his conclusion was that that was a class B bigfoot. Nothing
else that could have been. And I didn't know. This is the times
I wasn't studied on this yet. This house that we're talking about was about
twenty five minutes from Whitehall, New York, the home of all the upstate
York bickfoot sighting. My father also ended up telling me all kinds of things.
He's an ex cop and his skeptical about all these kinds of things.
He's not a next cup like you are. He's a next coup like the
skeptical kind. And he ended up telling me things that rang up his Bigfoot
things to me. Later on, as I asked him questions, and as
I had got more well read on the topic and really was devouring everything you
could about it, I started asking him questions about the property and he would
give me these throwaway stories that he saw as nonsensical, like he was accidentally
saying things that were dead on Bigfoot things about even realizing it. For example,
that a couple of times he found dead deer on the property with the
broken leg, the back leg broken snapped, and the deer's laying there dead
with the parts missing. He used to put his dog out and a dog
run on the property, and when he'd come back, the dog was terrified
and like in a corner, not wanting to be left outside, and that
door run over again. Those sort of things would happen on that property.
He would tell me these things in a throwaway with I don't know, one
time there was a dead deer like probably absurd things that I'm like, you
mean, you had a big foot killing, Like he doesn't even know what
he's telling me. Now, in the years since then, not only am
I really well read on the topic, but I've gotten a Matt Moneymaker pretty
well, and he and I have talked about this, and he's also gone
back and looked in the BFRO files at my original report, and he's gone
and talked to the investigator in his group that talked to me about it.
And Matt thinks that was the real thing. It had to be. There's
no other explanation for what would do that. And based on the geography,
the proximity to Whitehall and all that when you got up the next day was
bigfoot on your brain. And again I'll go back to just the reaction.
A lot of people who share their experiences on my show, we'll say they'll
have a really intense encounter with something out in the middle of nowhere in a
tent. Something's pushing on their tent, They're hearing noises, they're something walking
around in the camp, sometimes picking shit up and throwing it around, and
they just fall right back to sleep. And it seems to be I don't
know if it's something psychological that happens during those kind of encounters. A lot
of people, some of the high strangeness things will come into play and people
will say, oh, Bigfoot has the ability to put people to sleep.
I'm not going down that road with you just exactly yet, but there is
something to that part of these types of encounters. You guys, hear this
horrible smacking on the side of the house and then you just fall back asleep.
There's something that's going on there. I never thought of that. I
never thought of that. I never thought about. It is the Bigfoot itself
behind the thing. Go right back out, you're dan down, because it
is remarkable that we both neither one of us got up and look like,
I don't think that what happened to my house in La. Stay tuned for
more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages. I think if
anything weird happened in my house in La, one or both of us would
look. I don't think we would both be like, oh what was that
smashing? R R. Yeah, it's just not what we would do.
And you're right, it's very weird that we both went back down, head
to the pillow like Marionette's. But you want to drop the string instant.
I never ever thought of it, and I don't know if there's something else
to that. Like I said, I've talked to plenty of people who will
tell you there is something to it. Maybe the Sasquatch themselves have this ability
to use infrasound or whatever it is that they're using. Again, that's something
I can't prove. I can't go down that road because I don't have enough
anecdotal data to really present to anybody. But I've heard it in a ton
of situations where you would think that people would be hyped up again if something
happens here, we hear a loud noise, I'm up, I'm looking outside,
I'm shotting the flashlight. Is everyone yeah? Yeah, yeah, anyone
is? Yeah, there is. Like you said, there's no explaining why
was that our reaction this time? And by the way, this window wasn't
a far walk or it wasn't the kind of thing where too lazy, sleepy
people do. I don't want to walk fifty feet over there to the window
I'm talking about. It was pretty much a reach out the bed situation.
It was. The window was right here. I don't know if we're on
are we on camera? Pick? The window was with my handleng was opened,
the buck and we didn't bother, and I'll tell you right now,
there's nothing else. When you tell a skeptic my story as I've done,
they say stupid things like I was a bear, it was a deer.
First of all, If it was a deer, the deer would have been
laying there dead, unconscious, having rammed his head into the wall like a
freight train three times two or three times high speed. He'd have been laying
there with a cracked skull upside down, four legs up. It's just there's
nothing logical about that. I went out the next day and like looked at
the window sill and looked at how the height is and where it seemed like
it was coming from. It was. It's pretty high, like the thing
was hitting around nine ten feet high. It's just a weird spot and just
a weird behavior for a bear. It's a weird spot for bear to hit.
There are numerous bigfoot incidents, like you said, involving shaking of cabins,
shaking of tents, hitting of structures. This is not an unusual behavior
for bigfoot. Yeah, I've heard the stories so many times. Doug Highcheck,
who's been on the show for monster quests, several times. Doug's a
friend of mine. He's talked about the New Grove Lake incident. They've had
some wild experiences. His son Blaine has been up there on his own yep
and something basically picked the damn cabin up and set it down. Yeah,
I know those guys also. And let me tell you something. Doug high
Check is a magnet from monster. I don't know what the hell happened in
his past life, but he is being chased around by UFOs, bigfoots,
dog men. If Doug high Check's around, you're in danger. Something might
catch you. I never met a person that's had so many mothmen chase him
arat scout. That's unreal. And now I almost told Doug they're supposed to
be coming out and interviewing me for the Legend Meet Science two documentary. Now
almost to Doug, don't come. I don't want you on my property.
Dude. Terrifying. He's being chased by monsters and UFOs round the clock,
and his relatives are too, because when you talk to him, it's always
and his daughter had this happened? The son had that happened. His cousin
and his uncle Tuesday were dibition locked this monster dactum. Doug high Check is
a magnet from Monster. It's fitting that he did monster quest right. So
yes, maybe when you guys got up the next day, did you go
out and take a look around? Did you see anything? Was Bigfoot still
on the radar for you? How was the rest of that trip did you
guys experience anything else? Then? Did you have a conversation with your dad
at that time about what you guys had experienced and what was his reaction?
I think the next morning I definitely mentioned it to him. And again I
wasn't so knowledgeable on a bigfoot. I wasn't really well read that at the
times, so big what wasn't absolutely my definitive thought. But I knew that
this is very strange, like a year, for example, I would have
discounted immediately. I knew that's insane. Of course, that's the kind of
answer my father gave me, an insane one. But was it the year?
Probably a rabbit? He said something stupid like that. He just was
very rolled off him Like I didn't say anything important, but I didn't quite
know what it was. And like I said, not very long after I
start watching things like finding Bigfoot and seeing incidents that reminded me of this,
watching high checks shows things like Monster Quest and seeing things that reminded me of
this, and I went, oh, wait a minute. And then I
thought about what's the bigfoot history upstate New York? And then I discovered the
Whitehall incident. I go, oh, my god, where's Whitehall relations to
that? Up It's twenty minutes away, right on the same mountain chain.
And then each different piece starts falling into place for me where I'm later on
going wait a minute, and I realized what happened. How long was it
after that? Because I know you've had other experiences? How long was it
after that initial experience before you I had another experience of what you believe to
be a sasquatch, probably three four years and the second incidents more visual but
less conclusive, if that makes sense. I haven't talked about this, this
next one very much. I don't even recall if I've ever told this story
on my podcast. But the second instant, the one you're that you'd be
talking about, I think, is that Yosemite National Park can't even pay for
you. What year it is. I'm going to take a guess, like
when you're eleven ish nowhere around there. I was on our private tour like
where you're just like in a van with a tour guy that does this every
day, Me and my wife him, and like maybe two other couples that
I didn't know from other parts of the country, and we're all in this
van all day and by that time I missed a Bigfoot. By that time,
I'm really deep into the books. I've read dozens of books. By
then, every episode of Finding a big Foot of Monster Quests I've been dvyard
and watched twenty times. That's why I am at that juncture, okay,
And in this van ride throughout the whole day, I'm asking bigfoot question.
It was really humiliating. Again, Like when I think about in my mind,
i hear it out loud. I think about, what are these other
people thinking. There's a couple from Dallas and a couple from Atlanta, and
they're asking the normal questions you'd ask. Are you're a se Many tour guide.
How much snow did they get up here during the winter time? And
it seems like a big lot of snuff? Hey, how high are those
waterfalls? Things people would normally ask. It a situation like that I'm popping
in with the third question, like, yeah, you got a lot of
sasquatch sightings up here. You must be seeing things. You're on tour every
day around this park, you have you seen stuff like where I'm getting looks
over the shoulder from the driver. Yeah, I've seen something. At some
point during the day, I think he actually said to me in my ear,
I've seen a lot of things up here. This is a scary place.
I can't talk about that on this tour. Yeah. He gave me
the mumbled explanations like you're on the right track, buddy. Now. At
some point during that tour, we were standing on one of the famous overlooks,
and God helped me. I don't remember the names of these things that
cause you're seventy one of the places that if you go on the three hour
tour, like Illigan of Yosemite, every ten feet you're in to do family
place. So you're at Miranda's landing, this is the place where John Beck
once fell off the cliff, and you're at all different plays like that.
At some point and there's somebody listening right now who knows what place I'm talking
about, because I don't remember, But you're at some plateau area. They
take you to where you're looking clear across a canyon at another rock face that
also plateaus with no trees at the top, just a beautiful canyon across to
other rock. And I'm standing there in broad daylight looking across, and there's
a tree line on those rocks. Straight across from me is probably one hundred
yards or more of blank rock, and then there's a tree line somewhere over
there on that rock face would get woods ear And I'm noticing, just my
naked eye, not binoculars or something, I'm noticing that there are at this
distance and at this height and this far away look like stick figures moving past
each other and around each other, maybe three or four of them, kind
of changing places. Just the black lines they looked like to me at that
distance, and they're just moving over here over there. And I'm watching this,
and I went out to my wife. I'm like, what is that.
He's like, I don't know, and I'm like, it doesn't moving
right, yeah, And I don't have any other explanation for what that could
have been. Standing at thousands and thousands of feet height on a blank rock
face that no farmer would have gotten to and certainly not four or five of
them moving around each other relatively near the free line of the woodline. It
would be highly conceivable that was a visual big foo sighting of multiples in broad
daylight. But I never got anything that enabled me to see close and see
a tight zoom or anything like that. I couldn't give you anything else.
And I saw the arms and the head and the legs. It wasn't like
that were just kind of black stick figures. Issh moving. That's very interesting
because it sounds like you're talking about quite a distance. If it were a
person, you probably wouldn't have even seen them because they would have been too
small. Is that accurate? Right? And trees don't move? Yeah,
last time I check, trees do not know. I've seen some videos online
where people say the trees will move, but I haven't seen that myself.
Unless they were filming and hr puffing stuff over there. There was no explanation
for why that was happening. You mentioned your wife a couple of times.
Obviously she was with you for both of these incidents. Has she changed her
mind about or opened up her mind to any of this big foot stuff since
you've had these experiences. Where is she now versus even she used to be?
Yes, I definitely and long ago because shortly after the Upstate New York
thing is when finding Bigfoot comes into my life. And I certainly made her
watch many episodes with me that she's probably seen at least a half dozen or
more episodes complete of that, she certainly heard me talking about this topic with
many people, seen me reading many But I'm the guy who we'd be on
vacation the Caribbean or something and laying next to her and she's reading like some
role man's novel like women normally might be reading. And I'm reading a book
that actually says on the cover like the Bigfoot of Moss Canyon and there's people
walking around the beach in a rub But what's wrong with this? It's really
an embarrassing book cover to be for all that reading in some tropical resort place.
She's been married to that guy for a while, so she's heard me
turn to her and go listen, I gotta tell you what. The last
chapter I just read this fireman was walking in the woods in Oregon. And
then so she's heard a million of these stories from me and is not at
all like my father, where she just you know, closes her eyes to
it and what am I talking about it? She, I would say,
believes it. He's not radically into it. He's not like sitting down at
DVR ing the same shows I'm DVR and she's not hosting her own podcast on
the topic or asking to be on mine. But I would say that she
believes it. I think she would agree if she was sitting here on the
show that what happened to was upstate was probably a big But I think she
would agree that is the morphological assessment. Here's the rub for me. I
am a skeptical person. I've had experiences myself that I can't explain through childhood
and now throughout our time here on our forty acres in North Carolina. But
I have not seen a sasquatch. I have cast footprints, I think four
different sets of footprints at this point, and seen all kinds of things.
There's the Patterson Gimlin film, there's the Freeman footage, There's a couple of
other things out there. There's the footprint evidence. I've had plenty of conversations
with Jeff Meldrum. He'll convince you in one conversation that these things are real
just based on the footprints alone. Let me ask you, having not had
a crystal clear close up class A siding, what have you looked at over
the years that has convinced you beyond the shadow of a doubt that these things
are real? Is it the Patterson Gimblin film, is it Freeman footage?
Is it photographs? Is it the footprint evidence? What is it for you
that has stuck out for you that has really solidified being a believer in Bigfoot
for you? The Patterson Gimblin thing, definitely, and the extense of studying
that's been done on it in the recent years, Like there was some documentary
that had muns really diving into it and frame by frame and it might have
been a high check documentary I don't recall, but that one was very convincing.
I think you could show that to almost any skeptic and have them on
board. All the eyewitness stories, whether it's on Monster Quest or Finding Bigfoot
or any other similar show all the eyewitness stories, there's loads and loads are
really compelling. One There's no other explanation for so many of the stories.
We have to sit and listen to on these shows or read about in books.
I agree that my story is not one of those it because, like
you said, not class A. So I wouldn't put my incident in that
gap. But I would say that you and I both and anyone listening to
the show has heard plenty of stories that are at the tier that I'm talking
about. Absolutely, And I'll tell you one of the things that has convinced
me over the years is having conversations with doctor Jeff Melodrome, talking to him
about some of the things he has seen and taken a look at. As
far as the footprint evidence with Barrickman. I took a picture of one of
the things that I didn't get to cast here on the property. It's one
of the only footprints that I found that I wasn't able to cast because I
didn't have material with me. It was raining, more rain was moving in.
I hung out with Cliff and Idaho back over the summer and I handed
my cell phone and said, just look at this picture and tell me what
you think of it. And he said, that's a sasquatch footprint. Dude.
Of course I didn't cast her, But you have conversations with people like
that because I doubt my own evidence. I doubt my own findings. I
doubt my own experiences. It's difficult for me, but I too, like
you, believe ideal in anecdotal experiences. That's all the show is about,
is people's encounter experiences that they share. Over the years, I've heard so
many compelling ones, and I say this all the time. If just one
of them is true, right, if the person's not batshit crazy, they
didn't make it up whole cloth, and they had the exact experience that they
say they had, then these things are real. I'm on the side of
that. The Patterson Gimlin film. I was teetering on the air edge for
a long time with whether the Patterson Gimlin film was possibly a hoax. And
just over this past summer, I did a couple of shows and I did
a breakdown of what Roger and Bob had to say during an interview right after,
like I think it was five days afterwards. I got it from the
Sasquatch Archives and he allowed me to use that for the show. And I
went back and listened to what they said five days afterwards, and then what
Bob said back in twenty nineteen, and I compared the two, it's very
close. There was a couple of things that were off, but in general,
I think that film is probably one of the things that's put me over
the edge of saying yeah. And then the Freeman footage. I don't know
if you're familiar with that or not back in ninety two, but the Paul
Freeman footage is another thing that recently just solidified it for me. And I
thought it was a hoax honestly, until I started having conversations with Paul's son,
Michael. He just wrote a book this past year, the Freeman Files,
And I sit down and talked to Michael, and he told me the
story about his dad capturing that film and then coming home that afternoon and showing
it to him and his buddies, and that was it for me. He
told me about the excitement. He knew his dad better than anybody, and
I thought, who's going to hoax their twelve year old son, right,
people don't do shit like that, like people try to hoax you or hoax
me. But he didn't come home and try to hoax his son. So
that sort of set me on the path of Okay, there's something to this.
And then obviously my own experiences. Let's talk about some of the other
weird experiences that people have shared with you. This comes up on the show
a lot with the high strangeness and the WU part of Bigfoot. How are
you on the WU part of Are you open minded to some of these things
being a little bit more than flesh and blood? Do you think there might
be some aspect to the telepathic communication, the mind speak? Where are you
on the high Strangers? I've tried to talk about this with Matt Moneymaker on
my show a few times, and I've gotten him to go further agreeing to
that possibility than I ever would have expected i'd get him to. But I
fall very much on the and this is going to piss off every pick for
the listener, but I fall very much on the spectrum that it's really possible
that we're not dealing with a regular blesh and blood creature, that we are
dealing with the alien creature. I tend to think that's really possible because of
things like the Blue Planet Project pamphlet book that leaked out, where the US
government is revealing in this leaked document all of the alien species that they know
have visited Earth and where they're thought to be from, and what their agenda
appears to be. And one of the species in the book is called a
waddig wad ig and the artist rendering of it is clearly a bigfoot, and
the description says, you know, a wah dig, commonly referred to in
popular human culture as a sasquatch or a bigfoot, is actually an alien creature.
This is like an elite government document. There's been too many UFO incidents
involving bigfoots where you have UFO landing and eyewitnesses scene before which come or go
from the UFO. There's been too many bigfoot incidents where a raised a camera
to take a picture of a bigfoot and it in a flash disappeared, or
a telepathically communicated with that rifle down. None of these are flesh and blood
shouting things. The elusiveness, the fact that it's been so difficult to capture
on camera or my rifle or in a cage points towards something superhuman. I'm
no big foot Puristan this way to me, it's almost more likely than not
that we're dealing with something beyond regular flesh and blood. Really great at hiding
American gorilla I say it all the time. I've always been open to that.
I've always had everybody's experience, no matter what it is. I had
a dude on the show a couple of months ago claimed to have sex with
a female sasquatch. I aired a show. I sat on it for three
months because I didn't think people was going to take it seriously. But it
was his experience. Whether it happened in his mind or it happened physically,
I don't know. But I had that just a couple of weeks ago,
and aired a episod of a lady Bridget who came on the show and she
had a roadside crossing incident with a bigfoot. But she was on a track
to intersect some gray aliens because she's a lifelong abductee. She said all kinds
of alien experiences throughout her life, and she had this telepathic communication with this
bigfoot who basically was there to kill her. It was working for the aliens,
so to speak. It was a long drawn out story, That's what
I mean. There's so much crossover in this Bigfoot world with the UFO thing,
and there's so many unexplainable moments in Bigfoot Lord, like I said,
the guy who raises it the camera and he's about this nap picture when the
bigfoot blinks out of existence. That's not the behavior of the North American wood
ape. It's beyond what would be the flesh and blood behavior stuff. Yeah,
and it's hard to explain. And I used to say that those things
were mutually exclusive. Oh you're having strange lights and you're seeing craft and you're
seeing orbs, and you have bigfoot on your property. I used to separate
those and say, oh, there's nothing to do with one or the other.
You just haven't a whole bunch of weird shit go on. But over
the years of doing this, I have said, and I've had Preston Dinnon
on the show a couple of times. He's a big UFO guy. Preston
told me many times, Brian, everything's connected. And I just keep repeating
that over and over because the weirder the stories get and the more I get
into the subject, it seems like everything's inner weaves and connects for me in
some way. I just don't know what that way is just yet. I
had a UFO experience myself when I was like sixteen. Have you had other
weird experiences, ghost UFOs, anything like that. Yeah, out of your
volksperience in La several years ago. I always when I tell this story,
I always like to street map it for the listener, and they could shit
with Google Maps and actually look at it through their own eyes. I actually
see what I was seeing. So, for those of you playing along at
home, I was riding on Victory Boulevard in La towards Van Nuys. I
approached the corner of what would be Victory and Supplvita Boulevart. Catch up at
home on your Google Maps right now on the street view of this with me.
Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back after these messages.
So I'm facing my cars facing eastbound on Victory at Sapulovda, and I'm
just at the traffic light heading to Burbank or Shriman Oaks or something. I
was going to a TV meeting or something and heading that way. It was
a time of day where I don't want to be on the freeway, not
because I'm scared of the freeway. There's times a day in La not to
be on the freeway. I was sitting there and in broad day like crystal
clear afternoon. While I'm waiting at the traffic light, I can see in
the sky directly straight in front of me do East looks like roughly over save
Burdbank. I'm seeing little silver dot way up in the sky, just moving
past each other, maybe a half dozen of them, changing positions, circling
around each other. One's over here, the next one's over there. He
comes in touch and touches that one. They move away. Looks like it's
way high. And they're not behaving like healingum balloons or something which wouldn't be
under control. They would just be you know, lifting or blowing in the
wind in an angle. These are changing position, moving all the way to
the left, then changing this one. That one'sziggs to the right and goes
past this one, and just dancing around each other. And I'm thinking,
what the heck is that? And it was so captivating in this two three
minute traffic light cycle that I decided to make a right and I pulled my
car onto Pulvida. There's like a paint store, like a place that sells
like Benjamin paints for your half. And I pulled my car through the right
and pulled them to the parking lot in front of that paint store. So
the guy who's still playing along with street View has just made this right ur
and he sees on his right here coming up any second. I was going
to be like a paint place, dune paints, whatever the paint companies are
called. And I pull up in that parking lot, and I parked my
car, still facing east to keep watching this. So the I'm not in
Traft and I continue to watch just another five minutes. I call my wife
if I tell her what I'm watching. And I realized this point I need
to keep driving on. I'm going to be late for my meeting. So
I decide I'm heading east anyway, so I'll just feeble to keep my eyes
on this while I'm going to continue east. So I get back on the
road and continue east. And then as soon as I was like a block
or two past that spot, I don't know if they were gone, or
I just I couldn't get the angle right again, or it's just difficult to
see as the trees keep coming up as you drive. Just for whatever reason,
it wasn't more than a couple of blocks later that I was like,
where are I just couldn't lay my eyes on it. After that, I
went on YouTube and I typed in descriptions things that sound like what I'm describing,
like little silver stapes changing at very hot, extraordinary height and moving past
each other. And there were numerous UFO videos that looked just like what I
had just seen. They weren't from Los Angeles that afternoon, they were from
all over the globe. But I was seeing in these people's YouTube videos was
exactly what I just saw. That's crazy, man, I've seen some wild
stuff. When I was up on the expedition in Canada back in October,
we watched crazy lights for two hours. They were way up there, but
they were doing some things that just defied gravity, stopping just right in the
middle of the sky and making a ninety degree left hand turn at probably two
thousand miles an hour. It was the crazy shit I've ever seen in my
life. Man. My wife had a UFO, like a black triangular UFO,
fly very low over her car on the way home from somewhere in La
one time when she was on the freeway like not like at two in the
morning, either six at night, like with many people around. She had
a black that was our military craft that looks like those UFOs seventy one.
Yeah, yeah, she said, like a ufother looked like that, come
pretty silently, pretty low over the freeway over her and hang around and leave
while she was driving off from work one time. Are there any crazy celebrity
stories that you haven't already told us about that it's stuck out to you,
whether it be bigfoot, UFOs, alien abductions, whatever the case may be,
that it's out to you as I don't want to say favorite, but
has really impacted you or stuck out to you in one way or the other.
On the show, I didn't get into as much detail with him as
I could ever should have because he seemed really serious. But Shadows Stevens insisted
that he worked for a family he believed he now believes we're alien as a
teenager living in like North Dakota, wherever he lived, he worked for family
the Coneheads like where he believes they're an alien family. That was and he
went into a little bit of detail about that. He believes you worked for
a family of alien. It was something I should have explored more deeply with
him. But Catherine Boch Daisy Duke had a story of a dead person that
called her on the phone, someone that she knew who had died a friend
or whatever that called her like a month later or whatever that she answered the
phone and it was him calling and he was not a lot. She spoke
to him for a little bit. That is wild. We've talked a lot
about it. Tell everybody, hey, let's talk about where they can find
monstrosity. When do you post shows? What can they find when they get
over there and take a listen to post shows about once a month right now
to find the brand new episode that just went up with Kelly who from Scorpion
King the Beautiful Instants and Sorceress from The Scorpion King with the Rock. She's
also Death Strike and X two with Hugh Jackman, and more importantly, probably
most importantly to me, he's former Miss Hawaii. Anyway, she's on the
latest episode. And I like to write game shows into my show because a
lot of times the celebrity is on and then like we're going to be talking
to Bill Burns from Ancient Aliens or something in a few minutes, so to
transition from Daisy Duke or Peter Brady from the Brady Bunch over to the UFO
guys, quite a train wreck unless I find a way to smoothly make that
book. So a lot of times I'll write a game show into the episode,
a paranormal game show for the celebrity to play, which does a fun
kind of paranormal game show for them to play that transitions us towards and now
we're going to talk to such and such from ghost Hunters or what it?
And with Kelly Who on the most recent episode, we played a game called
who What Where? And the premise of the game was basically, I would
ask her if she were snorkeling in Lockedness where there's obviously a Lockness monster,
what would Kelly who where? You know? If she were alone in the
woods with a group of good looking bigfoots, what would Kelly who where?
Now this game show, which is on the latest episode of Monstrosity, which
you can find on all the podcast platforms, you'd think you'd find that on
on this episode when she plays that game, be just like Jodie Sweeten from
Full House before her, and just like Kanya Raymond from Billy Bob Thornton's Goliath
before her, All three of them somehow inadvertently found themselves revealing that they would
have sex with the Bigfoot. So I don't know if these women are coming
on trying to ruin their careers. I don't know if the goal is to
end their careers and one false sloop on my show. Somehow, I've got
the girl from Full House discussing having second with the big Foot and in the
latest episode, Kelly who from the Scorpion King doing the same thing. Wow,
what a way to end it. I will link to Monstrosity in the
show notes. You guys go over and check it out. Show David Ray
some love, David. I've had a blast talking to you man. I
really appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks for a lot of fund