Hi, this is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with our final episode of the
annual Spring into Golf season with the late Tony Manzoni. This conversation, our
last with Tony, was recorded in November of twenty seventeen, and it was
to announce a golf school that Tony and two of his Palm Desert colleagues created.
But not long after we recorded this, Tony received his cancer diagnosis and
we lost him a few months later. And this is the first time that
this episode has ever been replayed, so even if you've heard this Manzoni series
repeated years past, it may be the first time you're hearing this. It
also includes one of my all time favorite stories, Tony tells about Frank Sinatra,
the godfather of Tony's daughter. We'll bring all these episodes back next year
at the beginning of April because we continue to get positive emails from new and
old listeners thanking us for sharing Tony's wisdom. This week, we'll go back
to where we left off of Golf Smarter Mulligans, bringing back old Golf Smarter
episodes that are no longer available on any podcast app, but this time we'll
continue to include them in your golf Smarter subscription as opposed to a separate podcast.
Tony's book, The Loss Fundamental, One Simple, Move Better Golf Forever
is available in both paperback and kindle version on Amazon, and his DVD,
which we converted to a private online link, is also available when you write
to me. So for the most comprehensive information ever collected on Tony, please
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tips and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your score and
raise your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to
the Golf Smarter podcast, Tony. How are you Fred? I am doing
well. It's so good to talk to you again. How have you been.
You know, I've been just terrific. As you know. I retired
from the college after thirty years and had a great run there. Yeah,
congratulations on your retirement. But knowing you, that doesn't mean you're gonna be
retiring and playing golf. You're gonna be playing golf, but it's not part
of your retirement. No, I'm not gonna stop moving because when you stop
moving, then you see that guy with the green reaper comes up behind you.
Now we're gonna in fact, I'm involved with the two really terrific golf
professionals and the three of us are going to start creating a golf school in
the Desert and very excited about it. Let's talk about your golf school in
the Desert. First, tell me about the two other teachers you're going to
be working with, Gary Hopkins, who played the tour and also has been
a club professional, and Davey Evans, who's an iconic pro here in the
Desert. He was at laking To Country Club for thirty years. But he
also has a tour background, kind of like me. We were good enough
to get out there, but couldn't really stay that long, you know,
but we enjoyed it while we were there. But these guys are fantastic teachers,
and I consider myself a good one also, and I think we're going
to be able to put, you know, really a good school, something
really solid for people that they go out and play golf and enjoy it.
So so many people put these golf schools together, and it's a weekend long
thing that is expensive and time consuming and confusing. I mean, I did
a weekend golf school and I felt great when I walked away, and then
when I five days later when I went to the driving range, I had
no idea what I was supposed to do. I'd forgotten all of it.
And I think that happened. Unfortunately, Yeah, unfortunately. I hear that
a lot. And I think that what happens in some of these cases is
that the egos get involved and they start teaching a certain way to play.
And I've never been an advocate of that. I think that's because we're all
so different in age and flexibility and so forth, that you have to build
a swing that that person can do so that they own their own swing.
And that's what we're going to do. We're going to teach people how to
properly set up to the ball and that's an absolute, and where the ball
should be in the stand, so that's an absolute. As for the golf
swing itself, we're going to take what the person has and we're going to
create a golf swing for them. But they're actually gonna they're actually going to
create this swing. We're just going to show them the avenue how to get
there. And I think that's the best way to do it. You know,
my success with the young people at College of the Desert on our golf
teams, we won twenty seven conference championships out of twenty eight. We had
an incredible run. And all these boys came in with all different concepts and
different swings, and you just can't say stop now, this is the only
way you do it, because that's just crazy. So we're going to try
to take that kind of attitude in the school so that everybody, everybody can
learn and improve their their their golf swing. Sounds so interesting to have three
different teachers. Now, how long are your clinics are going to be an
hour and a half. You know, no one, yeah, no one,
No one's on the clock. So I would imagine if we're all having
fun, it could you could bleed to two hours, but not no more
than that. You know, no more than that. But you know,
you know, when you get going, and especially when somebody starts hitting it
well, you want to stay with them. And also when they're not hitting
it well, you want to stay with them until they are hitting it.
So but but primarily it's an hour and a half class, Tony. I've
known you for so long now, well just through the podcast, but we've
had some interaction. I know how generous you are with your time. So
when you say an hour and a half, I'm like, I know,
Tony, it could easily go. Yeah, most likely will. But that's
the fun of doing this too, you know, to take someone that their
skills aren't honed very well and start making them sharper and see results before your
eyes. That's infectious. You know. I don't want to run away from
that. I want to stay there and watch. So uh so I'm curious.
So when somebody signs up for this hour and a half golf school,
golf clinic, whatever, you want Do they have a choice of like,
Okay, I want to work with Tony or I want to work with Dave
or I want to work with Gary for that hour and a half. Is
that how it's going to work, Well, there's gonna the maximum in the
school is going to be nine people, three people per per teacher. Oh
and if they want one person over another, that's there is no problem.
You know, nobody has an ego about this. But three uh, three
guys or three gals with one instructor really works well. The intimidation factors eliminated
and they all they all when they hit a poor shot, they don't feel
bad because they're all hitting poor shots that you know, they have the games
mishits. So it's a lot more fun than a one on one because that
gets that that's really tough on the person unless they've been taking lessons, and
we think that we're going to be getting a lot of middle of the rotors
or even people that are they've been reluctant to take lessons, maybe too expensive
to time consuming or whatever whatever the reason is that they may like this,
especially when there's other people with them. Sure, I mean, and when
you're when you're working with. I love the idea of just three people per
teacher, and then when you're working with two other people as well, and
I've you know, had this happen before. It's nice when it's not too
many people, and when you have the right amount, which I think three
is, then you can learn from what the other people are doing. You
can watch them while they're being instructed and get a sense of, oh,
that's what he means. You know. It's like looking at it versus feeling
it and then tying that all together. Certainly, I've done this before and
it really works well. And the people taking the lessons seem to be more
into it and more relaxed about the lessons, where I think not with everyone,
but a lot of people it's a one on one. They get a
little intimidated, They get a little too conscious of if they had a bad
shot, you know. So I think it just lessons that that feeling,
and it's a good learning environment, there's no question about it. Yeah,
And to have all three teachers there so you can like rotate around get tidbits
from each of them. Have you guys worked together before, do you know?
Do you compliment each other's styles? I believe so you know, we
play golf and we talk about the golf swing. We're all passionate about the
golf swing, and we discussed it. We talk about some of the people
that you know make it pretty complicated and so forth. Uh. And we're
not from that school for sure. Uh and and and during these during these
lessons, Uh, it won't be something that doesn't occur. I might say,
David, come on over here, take a look at this. This
is what we're trying to and he may have a different take on it.
So we're going to be flexible in that area. Again, this is our
Our school is not going to be ego driven. We're only there for one
reason, to be a resource for these people to be able to take their
golf swing and and understand what they can accomplish and do when they go out
and play golf. And the bottom line is to have some fun playing golf.
Mm hmm. Absolutely because it is because exactly it's a game. And
as I used to tell my players that golf does not define you as a
person, you know, because some of them, if they had a bad
round, you know, it look like the world had come to an end.
And and you just have to really be realistic about the game. This
is a missing game and what we're going to try to do to teach you
to mishit it better h and than you have in the past, so that
you can stay in the game. You know, that's the whole idea is
to stay in the game. There's just too much emphasis on distance and all
that, and not enough efforts on how to manage yourself, how to get
the how to play your c game like Tiger used to talk about it and
still come up with a decent score. M golf smarter. Yes, where
are you going to be holding the clinics throughout the desert or in a specific
location? No, we're going to be at a specific location. Indian Springs
Golf Club in Lakita really really pristine golf course with the emphasis on thinking.
It's not a real long golf course, so it's fun for everybody, real
nice driving range, a wonderful bar, restaurant and so forth, and really
terrific. The whole thing is. It's a beautiful site, it really is,
and it's open to the public. Wow. I've been to Lakina.
I have a friend who has a house down there, and I've played a
couple of the different career. He's a member of the Palms. Is that
right, the Palms? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Palms.
Yeah. So he lives at PGA West. He has a house down there
and is a member of the Palms, which we did an episode on the
Palms a long time ago with their general manager. That's and so the weather
is always great, especially now that winter is coming up. This is the
place to go. You want to be down here. So Lakinta I,
if you're not familiar, is in the Palm Springs area in southern California.
You're out in the desert. So even though it's winter, don't think that
it's still desert weather because it gets cold at night in the desert. But
it's beautiful. Yeah, it can get but in the daytime is it's just
heaven. I mean you walk outside and say, holy mackerel, the weather.
It's so beautiful. It really is. Don't be here in the summer.
In fact, I'm thinking about moving to Cord Lane. If anybody knows
anybody that has a nice little place they want to sell, I'm interested.
Contact me. Click on the Hayfred button at golfworter dot com. And well
I got to get out of Yeah, I got to get out of here.
In summertime, it's just a little too it's too hot. I can't
hit balls and do that. So but winter, there's no finer place,
no finer weather. I don't think anywhere in the planet actually fall winter,
spring. I mean it's spectacular and what a great destination for golfers. A
great destination for golfers. Yeah, We've got over one hundred golf courses,
and I think people that if they ever have a chance to come out and
they play this little golf course Springs are going to want to play it again.
It's it's a good test. So I have to imagine that if you
have just knowing that it's anywhere from one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars
an hour for a golf teacher, and the fact that you and Dave and
Gary are all PGA professionals, you all have tour experience, you all have
decades of teaching experience. An hour and a half for the three of you,
How do I say this gently? It's probably not inexpensive. That's a
way to do it. Inexpensive, is it? Do you have any sense?
Well? Well, I mean, are you saying that we're not going
to make a lot of money. No, I'm saying you're going to probably
charge a lot of money. Well, no, the seventy five dollars is
what it's going to be per person. Yeah, seventy five dollars and per
teacher per the hour and a half. Each person taking the lessons in the
groups going to be seventy five dollars. Okay, So you have nine people
in this clinic for an hour and a half with three teachers, and the
whole cost is seventy five dollars. Correct. Wow, okay, sign us,
let's get signed up. Yeah. Well, yeah, we're not you
know this is we're not looking for a home run at this time of our
life. We love teaching the game, we know how to teach the game,
and we want to be paid a little bit for our time. But
we're both we're all sensitive about the fact that golf has been maybe pricing itself
out of the industry. I think that's part of the reason that, especially
in some of these areas, resort areas, that a lot of people can't
afford to play or can't afford to take a golf lesson. So we're going
to try to do something for the common man. Okay, let's put it
that way in and still make a little, a little walking around money,
as they say, you know, walking around. And I don't want to
count how you're going to spend and collect your money. But I'm just kind
of blown away that you can only charge seventy five dollars in an area that
has spectacular golf courses. You get an hour and a half and you still
have time to go out and play around too, even during the winter.
Yeah, and I don't know. I think it's this thing. It might
morph into something where we teach them and then go play golf of them.
And we've got the golf right so they could do that. You know,
we have we have no boundaries that we can't cross. We're going to try
to We're going to try to make this fun and a learning experience for everybody.
Yeah, that is spectacular. Have you started doing this yet. No,
we're in the planning stage. We're putting brochures together, going to hit
a lot of the hotels and so forth, and then start booking. And
you know, we're pretty confident because all three of us have pretty decent names
in this region, and I think we'll be able to fill our quoted pretty
easily, I have no doubt. So right as we're recording this, we're
a week before Thanksgiving twenty seventeen, and so you're kind of just announcing this
clinic, this this golf school, golf clinic. Now, when do you
anticipate starting to take students? Because people are going to want to fly out
to visit with you. I think a week after Thanksgiving we're going to be
rocking and rolling. Wow, I don't see great. Yeah, we're gonna
we're going to We're going to be kicking in real quick, and we're all
chomping at the bit to do it. The weather's great, a sky is
clear, and the golf balls are new. So what else can you What
do you want more than that? You know? Well, right now,
don't you going to start singing to me? Now? There you go back
to your rat pack days? Huh yeah, exactly. Listen, We're going
to take a short break right back, and then I want to ask you
more about the clinic. And also I'm still getting emails and requests for your
your book and your DVD, The Loss Fundamental. So we'll be back right
after this. Okay, Now, when we first started talking to each other
years ago. You you had this book that you had put together called The
Loss Fundamental. Let's talk about Uh, Well, first of all, is
the book available anymore? Yeah, I think we're going to go the e
book route. I sold out a couple a couple of printings, I sold
out. Congratulations. I think that yeah, thank you. I think that
the e book would be a nice way to go. And then I have
a DVD. I'm not sure how long I'm going to have stock on the
DVD. But the book is really I think it's a little treasure. I
think I had a co writer with this, Paul Servant's, and I think
we did a nice job. It's not a big, arduous read. It's
something that you can go through. But it's a real solid book, it
really is. And what is the Lass Fundamental. Well, it talks about
some of the things that I believe Ben Hogan discovered after his accident actually,
and it is really learning to not move the weight once you set to the
ball, not move the weight over to the right foot more than you did
at address, to play more off what we call the left side, because
when you hit a golf ball, if you're right handed. You have to
be the majority of your weight has to be against your left side as you're
hitting the ball, just like any other sport. In the past, there's
been a lot of what we call sliders, where people slide their hips back
and then slide their hips through, and that's really really a tough go.
You can do it when you're young, but after you get past forty or
forty ish, you end up hitting off of your right foot and not getting
through the ball. And that's the majority of things I see in the years
that I've been on playing in pro ams and so forth, that people say,
I can't shift my weight. Well, you're not going to be able
to shift your weight if you've got it stored all on your right foot at
the top of the swing, unless you're you know, Neuiev or somebody that
can. I mean, you've got to be young to you slide over and
then rotate because you got to rotate to the left eventually. So Hogan,
I think figured out a way to stay centered to the golf ball, turn
his right side back, but stay on the inside of that right foot and
then rotate around the left foot as an axis. And that's what primarily it's
not stack until. Don't get me wrong, uh And I'm not speaking against
them, by the way. Everybody has their own concepts, but this concept
is what Hogan said. He says, you're going to turn through the ball
a little bit more level. Now, obviously your left side has to be
higher than your right sideed impact, but you're not going to tilt down to
hit the golf ball. You're going to rotate through the golf ball. And
I think by doing that, you're generating your power more from your core than
from your arms and hands. And the sequence of motion is everything, and
that's where most people really mess up. They take the club back in a
good position, but then they throw the club from the top with their arms
and hands, so consequently they're just slapping at the ball and they get zero
distance and they don't get through the ball. What my book talks about is
how to get to the left side. And it's a drag you know,
it's a drag hit. In other words, your arms are they're lagging back
behind you as your body rotates, and they release through the ball and you
can hit the ball not only far, but I think you can hit it
very accurately. This way. It kind of eliminates the side spin in the
swing. Once the arms lead, then you're subject to what your hands do.
And that's in my in my mind, that's a crapshoot. It's you're
you're gonna, you're gonna. You can block it or you can hook it,
and sometimes you're let it straight. But there's there's no real consistency in
that because most people don't have the time to train their hands to be at
that that exact spot. Time and time again. When I learned how to
what I refer to as quiet, make my lower body quiet, quieting my
lower body because I did have the slide and I wasn't aware of it.
But once I learned to do that rotation and keep my lower half of my
body still, my back pain went away. Right. Well, that's that's
the whole thing. You know, a lot of people have lower back peed
because they worked under to hit the ball and they came back into what we
call the seat position. Now, obviously, when you hit the ball,
your your head is a little bit behind the ball and your body's a little
bit forward of the ball, but but not in that dramatic way that that
that era of when Nicholas and so forth played, everybody came in that seat
position and usually got a lower back problem. This concept gets you to post
up in a straight line. When you finish your swing, your left your
left side is is posted up like I say, a straight line, so
there's no chilt back and it's just easier on the body. And I really
believe that you can hit the ball a lot harder. Why should why would
you? Why would your body go backwards? When you're hitting a golf ball.
You're you're going to use your left leg as embrace. But but you're
going to hit through the ball, You're going to release your whole right side.
You're not going to stay back behind it. And that's what most people
do. They hit they hit from behind it too much and they stay behind
it. Uh and consequently there's subject to what their hands do. How many
people are shocked when you how many of your students are shocked when you explain
to them or show them that they slide their hip, that they you know
that they're not keeping still and they slide from left to right. Most people
have people doing no no, there's no feeling of it because you know you're
they're concentrating so much on turning. But as they turn, they're swaying,
okay, And then if you sway to the right, you must sway to
the left or you never reach the ball and you have to show them on
film or you know, we have these our iPhones now, our cameras,
so you can do that. But yeah, that's the number one thing that
I see most people. In fact, when I get a customer or a
client, I should say that, I say, hit a few balls.
Let me just look at your actions, so you see, and invariably I
see that right hip go past the right leg. You know, I just
in my mind is a bingo because we know, we know that we're going
to be able to improve that in New York. Second, so, and
you'd be surprised how many people do it. When you set up to that
golf ball, that right hip has to be aligned on the instep of your
right foot, and most people when they stand to the ball, their right
hip is aligned to the outside of the right foot. And when you turn
your shoulders, you're going to if you look down at your right foot,
I don't care what you do. If you turn your shoulders in a turning
motion of the golf swing, your right foot's going it's going to rock over
to the to the back part of it. You're going to see movement.
If you put your right hip on the instep and turn, you'll see that
your there'll be your foot will be quiet, it'll be just nothing will be
happening. That's a real big thing, and no one talks about that.
And it's gigantic because if your body gets out of position, I don't care
how strong you are, you're not going to hit the ball anymore. But
if you're in the right position at the backswing and at impact, you can
move the ball pretty far. That's why a lot of these little galas can
hit so far, because they're in the right position. They're certainly not as
strong as men, but some of them can pop it out there pretty far.
Okay, So as far as the paperback book, that's no longer available.
But you do have a DVD available? Correct? Yes, I have
a DVD available. I probably have. I'm probably down to about fifty Oh
and how much are they? So twenty dollars? Okay? So if any
But you don't have a website. I mean I know that people have written
me going I can't find Tony anywhere on the web where is he and is
he's right here? He's at golf Smarter. If you want to track him
down, there you go. So if somebody wants to buy a DVD limited
edition, a few left right to me, yes, Fredigolfsmarter podcast dot com,
and or click on the hay Fred button and I'll put you in touch
with Tony so you can definitely pick up a DVD from him, and we'll
when when the ebook is available. We've been talking about that one for a
while, but when it's available, we'll let everybody know. Okay, So
there is no website right now. Is there going to be a website for
your clinic or are you just doing brochures? How do people get you to
sign up? Right now? That's a good question. Okay, right now
we don't. You know, you could call it Indian Springs and they could
take your name and contact number. But we will have a website and we're
going to be coming up with a pretty strong name for the clinic, okay,
and we'll be to tie that all together and that'll be happening shortly.
Okay. Well, you know, instead of calling Indian Springs, you got
to look it up and everything you're on the podcast right now, I probably
am your best link to Tony at this point. So if you're interested in
signing up for his clinic, just go ahead and write to me and I
will af forward it to Tony and put you to in touch so that you
can schedule a time and know when they're going to be doing How many times
do you hope to be Are you going to be doing this five days a
week with this clinic with you guys, or listen, we're gonna we're gonna
we're gonna do at a minimum of three times a week. Okay, probably
probably not on the weekends, but but and that may change, but right
now, it's going to be during the week days. It'll be two day
clinic, so or one day, yeah, one day or two days?
Oh, I say so if you do two days, it's one hundred and
fifty dollars and you get an hour and a half each day type of thing.
That's correct. Yeah. So if someone someone wants to take a day
and they say, wow, I like this, I'm going to take another
day, they can do that, or they can just take one day.
They can take three days. You see what I'm saying. They can come
to every as many clinics as they want. And if you don't get nine
people to sign up for a specific date, are you still going to be
able to do this? Well, so we'll still go. Unless it's two
people, we wouldn't do that. But no, I mean if we get
let's just say we have six or seven, we'll still go forward. Before
we go, Tony, I've not asked you this before. You've told me
your incredible history down in the desert and the people you've come in contact with,
the people you played golf with, and how it impacted your playing career
because you were having so much fun with the guys during the fifties and sixties
down in Palm Desert, the rat pack, right, and yep, can
you share a story, whether it's a I think you even mentioned Gerald Ford
once, right, Yeah, I met the President Ford. He in fact
gave me some books out of his library. Although I did not play golf
with him, Okay, but I did have a chance to meet him.
I didn't realize what a big guy he was, you know. Oh yeah,
he was not a little guy. He's a pretty good sized guy.
I think he played football in college or something. But just a wonderful gentleman.
I'm just a wonderful person. Story. Does it have to be golf
related? No, No, it has to be fun related. I mean
something that happened well memorable. I can tell you a Frank Sinatra story.
I had met Frank Sinautra, who invited to the house on many occasions with
my fiance, and one day, out of the blue, she blurted to
Frank, Frank, you've got to come over to the house and I'll we'll
cook your dinner. And of course my eyes rolled back to the back of
my head because she was a beautiful girl, but she really couldn't boil water.
Okay, So when we got in the car. When we got in
the car, I say, is that are you going to serve Frank Sinatra
beans and franks? What are you? Are you crazy? So I said,
and she looked at me with that pretty little face, and I said,
I got this handled. So I called my mother, who was in
santase and I said, Mom, and I didn't say Frank Sinatra. I
just said, I've got some really important people coming over. Can you make
some homemade ravioli's and meatballs, put them on dry ice and fly him.
I'll pay for it. Fly it from Santassey to Palm Springs. So she
said, sure, no problem. So she sent all this food over dry
ice. And I had a good friend of mine who was a musician,
and he wanted to be there when Frank Sinatra was and he was. He
said, I'll help you arrange everything, cook everything. So we did,
and Frank shows up with Jillie Rizzo, who is his good time friend,
and and we sit down and eat and talk. He said yes, she
asked him to come to Oh yeah, he had. He had said yes
when at his house when we were having dinner. He said yes. Oh
yeah, yeah. So the pressure was on me. So anyway, so
we're sitting there and Frank says to me, or he says to my fiance
Mimi. He said me me, these are the best meatballs I've ever had
in my life. He said, I mean, I've eaten all over the
world. You got to give me the recipe. And she started to say
something. I said, Frank, I had the charade that has to be
over. And I told him the story that what I did, and he
started howling. He couldn't. He thought that was the funniest thing. He
says, get your mother on the phone. So I called my mother,
and my mother's name was Nina. So I said, Mom, I said,
Frank Sinatra would like to talk to you. She didn't get the hell
out of here, but I said, no, no, I'm no mom.
That's who I said, Frank Sinatra would like to talk to you.
So he gets on the phone. And you got to remember, at our
house, we had a picture of Jesus and the next time we had a
picture of Frank. Okay, So, so my mother says says, hello,
mister Sinatra, and he said, Nina, and he says, I've
got to tell you something. Those are the best meatballs I've ever had.
Blah blah blah blah, and can you send me the recipe? And my
mother said them, Frank, I'll make you all the meatballs you want,
but you never get my recipe. And he broke up. He just loved
that she denied him. Okay, nobody did that to Frank Sinatra. Nobody
said not. He just loved her for that. And through the years she
used to make Christmas cookies, all homemade, unbelievable, and she would always
send him Christmas cookies every Christmas, and he was so wonderful whenever he appeared
in San Francisco or wherever my folks went. They sat at the Sinaptra table
right against the stage. The guy was just amazing. But he just when
Christmas comes and say, you think your mom's going to send the cookies,
this is Frank. You can just count on it. So that's my story.
That's my one. I got a lot of Frank Sinatra stories, but
that's one that always thrills me because the look on his face when my mother
said that I'll make all you want, but I'm not giving my recipe.
I just love that all at his family as well, I am. I'm
so glad you said you have a lot of stories, because I'm going to
continue to go to call you. R might remind me. And I'm not
going to give the entire story, but I do this other I did a
radio national syndication in the eighties that I brought back this year as a podcast
called Radio Baseball Cards, and the host of the show was Don Drysdale,
who is a childhood hero of mine as a pitcher for the Dodgers. Right.
Yes, and actually Cofax and Drysdale were both heroes of mine as I
was growing up. So the fact that I got a chance to work with
Drysdale in the studio, was pretty incredible, right to do this show.
So we were recording I think it was the last episode of the season,
which actually just is the last episode of the podcast from twenty seventeen baseball season,
and it's a story of Harmon Killebrew hitting a home run during the nineteen
sixty five World Series, his only home run that he ever hit in the
sixty five World Series, and Drysdale was the pitcher, right, they gave
up that home run. Well, he was a picture because it was Game
one of the sixty five World Series, which, if anybody knows their history
about this was the day that Sandy Kofax said, yeah, I'm not going
to pitch in the World Series on Game one because it's home Ki poor.
It's the Jewish high right, right, I remember that, right? So
that's Sinatra and that's so Drysdale had to pitch and it was terrible for him.
But while we were recording it, he looks at and he goes,
you're Jewish, right, Yeah, he goes, did you know Kofax was
Jewish? And like you said about the picture on you all, I said,
I said, don there's two things that most Jews in this country know,
and that's Moses and Kofax. And it pretty much ends right then there,
that's about it. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
yeah, that's a great story. Don was I got to meet him here
and his wife, and in fact, he signed a baseball that I just
treasure. He was a wonderful guy and was god God knows what a picture
he was too. Of course Cofax. I don't think anybody was ever any
better than him, Nope, nope. It was amazing. And to see
him in the World Series this year was pretty awesome, all right, Tony,
So that was awesome. We covered Lost Fundamental. If anybody wants to
get a DVD, get in touch with me. We covered your soon to
be named golf clinic area, which is going to be seventy five dollars for
an hour and a half with three different teachers multiple times a week. That's
a phenomenal deal. And hopefully we'll get to meet Dave and Gary at some
point soon, right, we're gonna I want to get them on the show
too, Can we do that? Absolutely? Absolutely? And they're terrific guys
and you'll enjoy the conversation yep, yep, Tony, thanks so much for
coming back on and good luck listen. Same to you, Fred, and
again it's always a pleasure to be on your show. I just a real
kick in the pants for me, so let's get together soon, Okay,