1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,879 Hi, this is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with our final episode of the 2 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:11,320 annual Spring into Golf season with the late Tony Manzoni. This conversation, our 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,599 last with Tony, was recorded in November of twenty seventeen, and it was 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,879 to announce a golf school that Tony and two of his Palm Desert colleagues created. 5 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:25,440 But not long after we recorded this, Tony received his cancer diagnosis and 6 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:29,920 we lost him a few months later. And this is the first time that 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,399 this episode has ever been replayed, so even if you've heard this Manzoni series 8 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:38,960 repeated years past, it may be the first time you're hearing this. It 9 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:44,119 also includes one of my all time favorite stories, Tony tells about Frank Sinatra, 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,560 the godfather of Tony's daughter. We'll bring all these episodes back next year 11 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:55,280 at the beginning of April because we continue to get positive emails from new and 12 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:00,960 old listeners thanking us for sharing Tony's wisdom. This week, we'll go back 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,879 to where we left off of Golf Smarter Mulligans, bringing back old Golf Smarter 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,560 episodes that are no longer available on any podcast app, but this time we'll 15 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:17,319 continue to include them in your golf Smarter subscription as opposed to a separate podcast. 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,359 Tony's book, The Loss Fundamental, One Simple, Move Better Golf Forever 17 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:29,159 is available in both paperback and kindle version on Amazon, and his DVD, 18 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:34,200 which we converted to a private online link, is also available when you write 19 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,840 to me. So for the most comprehensive information ever collected on Tony, please 20 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:45,159 go to golfsmarter dot com. Slash Tony and Tony is all lower case, 21 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,959 and while you're there, please check out how you can make a tax deductible 22 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:56,040 donation to the Tony Manzoni Memorial Golf Smarter Fund, we created in his honor 23 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,599 to benefit the first t of Coachella Valley, where and taught for decades. 24 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,799 If you'd like access to that video, please write to me directly golf Smarter 25 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:12,759 podcast at gmail dot com or click on the Heyfred button when you visit golfsmarter 26 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:19,400 dot com. A golf school like no other in terms of experience, expertise, 27 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,400 and price. With Tony Manzoni. This is golf Smarter, sharing stories, 28 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,840 tips and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your score and 29 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,360 raise your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to 30 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,840 the Golf Smarter podcast, Tony. How are you Fred? I am doing 31 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,520 well. It's so good to talk to you again. How have you been. 32 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:45,759 You know, I've been just terrific. As you know. I retired 33 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,719 from the college after thirty years and had a great run there. Yeah, 34 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,560 congratulations on your retirement. But knowing you, that doesn't mean you're gonna be 35 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,599 retiring and playing golf. You're gonna be playing golf, but it's not part 36 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:02,800 of your retirement. No, I'm not gonna stop moving because when you stop 37 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,439 moving, then you see that guy with the green reaper comes up behind you. 38 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,199 Now we're gonna in fact, I'm involved with the two really terrific golf 39 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,879 professionals and the three of us are going to start creating a golf school in 40 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,360 the Desert and very excited about it. Let's talk about your golf school in 41 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,599 the Desert. First, tell me about the two other teachers you're going to 42 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,560 be working with, Gary Hopkins, who played the tour and also has been 43 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:36,240 a club professional, and Davey Evans, who's an iconic pro here in the 44 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,919 Desert. He was at laking To Country Club for thirty years. But he 45 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,879 also has a tour background, kind of like me. We were good enough 46 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,560 to get out there, but couldn't really stay that long, you know, 47 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,159 but we enjoyed it while we were there. But these guys are fantastic teachers, 48 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,080 and I consider myself a good one also, and I think we're going 49 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:58,479 to be able to put, you know, really a good school, something 50 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,759 really solid for people that they go out and play golf and enjoy it. 51 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,960 So so many people put these golf schools together, and it's a weekend long 52 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:14,719 thing that is expensive and time consuming and confusing. I mean, I did 53 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:16,439 a weekend golf school and I felt great when I walked away, and then 54 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:19,160 when I five days later when I went to the driving range, I had 55 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,480 no idea what I was supposed to do. I'd forgotten all of it. 56 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,639 And I think that happened. Unfortunately, Yeah, unfortunately. I hear that 57 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:31,120 a lot. And I think that what happens in some of these cases is 58 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,160 that the egos get involved and they start teaching a certain way to play. 59 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,639 And I've never been an advocate of that. I think that's because we're all 60 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,360 so different in age and flexibility and so forth, that you have to build 61 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,360 a swing that that person can do so that they own their own swing. 62 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,079 And that's what we're going to do. We're going to teach people how to 63 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,360 properly set up to the ball and that's an absolute, and where the ball 64 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:00,560 should be in the stand, so that's an absolute. As for the golf 65 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,959 swing itself, we're going to take what the person has and we're going to 66 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,079 create a golf swing for them. But they're actually gonna they're actually going to 67 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,319 create this swing. We're just going to show them the avenue how to get 68 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:15,920 there. And I think that's the best way to do it. You know, 69 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:21,240 my success with the young people at College of the Desert on our golf 70 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:28,240 teams, we won twenty seven conference championships out of twenty eight. We had 71 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,279 an incredible run. And all these boys came in with all different concepts and 72 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:38,560 different swings, and you just can't say stop now, this is the only 73 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,319 way you do it, because that's just crazy. So we're going to try 74 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:46,920 to take that kind of attitude in the school so that everybody, everybody can 75 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:53,800 learn and improve their their their golf swing. Sounds so interesting to have three 76 00:05:53,839 --> 00:06:00,600 different teachers. Now, how long are your clinics are going to be an 77 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,199 hour and a half. You know, no one, yeah, no one, 78 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,720 No one's on the clock. So I would imagine if we're all having 79 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,560 fun, it could you could bleed to two hours, but not no more 80 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:14,519 than that. You know, no more than that. But you know, 81 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,600 you know, when you get going, and especially when somebody starts hitting it 82 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,680 well, you want to stay with them. And also when they're not hitting 83 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,879 it well, you want to stay with them until they are hitting it. 84 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:29,480 So but but primarily it's an hour and a half class, Tony. I've 85 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,319 known you for so long now, well just through the podcast, but we've 86 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:36,639 had some interaction. I know how generous you are with your time. So 87 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,160 when you say an hour and a half, I'm like, I know, 88 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:47,800 Tony, it could easily go. Yeah, most likely will. But that's 89 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,360 the fun of doing this too, you know, to take someone that their 90 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:58,800 skills aren't honed very well and start making them sharper and see results before your 91 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,240 eyes. That's infectious. You know. I don't want to run away from 92 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:09,560 that. I want to stay there and watch. So uh so I'm curious. 93 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,399 So when somebody signs up for this hour and a half golf school, 94 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:16,319 golf clinic, whatever, you want Do they have a choice of like, 95 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,680 Okay, I want to work with Tony or I want to work with Dave 96 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:24,160 or I want to work with Gary for that hour and a half. Is 97 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,959 that how it's going to work, Well, there's gonna the maximum in the 98 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,160 school is going to be nine people, three people per per teacher. Oh 99 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:40,680 and if they want one person over another, that's there is no problem. 100 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:46,279 You know, nobody has an ego about this. But three uh, three 101 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:54,600 guys or three gals with one instructor really works well. The intimidation factors eliminated 102 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,199 and they all they all when they hit a poor shot, they don't feel 103 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,639 bad because they're all hitting poor shots that you know, they have the games 104 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:09,480 mishits. So it's a lot more fun than a one on one because that 105 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:15,319 gets that that's really tough on the person unless they've been taking lessons, and 106 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,920 we think that we're going to be getting a lot of middle of the rotors 107 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,000 or even people that are they've been reluctant to take lessons, maybe too expensive 108 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,720 to time consuming or whatever whatever the reason is that they may like this, 109 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,559 especially when there's other people with them. Sure, I mean, and when 110 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,480 you're when you're working with. I love the idea of just three people per 111 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,879 teacher, and then when you're working with two other people as well, and 112 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,440 I've you know, had this happen before. It's nice when it's not too 113 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,519 many people, and when you have the right amount, which I think three 114 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,679 is, then you can learn from what the other people are doing. You 115 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,399 can watch them while they're being instructed and get a sense of, oh, 116 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,360 that's what he means. You know. It's like looking at it versus feeling 117 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:07,240 it and then tying that all together. Certainly, I've done this before and 118 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:13,440 it really works well. And the people taking the lessons seem to be more 119 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,240 into it and more relaxed about the lessons, where I think not with everyone, 120 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:20,879 but a lot of people it's a one on one. They get a 121 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:24,639 little intimidated, They get a little too conscious of if they had a bad 122 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:31,200 shot, you know. So I think it just lessons that that feeling, 123 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,720 and it's a good learning environment, there's no question about it. Yeah, 124 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:41,759 And to have all three teachers there so you can like rotate around get tidbits 125 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,559 from each of them. Have you guys worked together before, do you know? 126 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:50,080 Do you compliment each other's styles? I believe so you know, we 127 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,159 play golf and we talk about the golf swing. We're all passionate about the 128 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,720 golf swing, and we discussed it. We talk about some of the people 129 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,000 that you know make it pretty complicated and so forth. Uh. And we're 130 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:07,279 not from that school for sure. Uh and and and during these during these 131 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,399 lessons, Uh, it won't be something that doesn't occur. I might say, 132 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,440 David, come on over here, take a look at this. This 133 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,440 is what we're trying to and he may have a different take on it. 134 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,639 So we're going to be flexible in that area. Again, this is our 135 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,480 Our school is not going to be ego driven. We're only there for one 136 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,000 reason, to be a resource for these people to be able to take their 137 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:35,879 golf swing and and understand what they can accomplish and do when they go out 138 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:37,879 and play golf. And the bottom line is to have some fun playing golf. 139 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:46,039 Mm hmm. Absolutely because it is because exactly it's a game. And 140 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:48,399 as I used to tell my players that golf does not define you as a 141 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,360 person, you know, because some of them, if they had a bad 142 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,600 round, you know, it look like the world had come to an end. 143 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:58,320 And and you just have to really be realistic about the game. This 144 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,799 is a missing game and what we're going to try to do to teach you 145 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,080 to mishit it better h and than you have in the past, so that 146 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:09,679 you can stay in the game. You know, that's the whole idea is 147 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,960 to stay in the game. There's just too much emphasis on distance and all 148 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,919 that, and not enough efforts on how to manage yourself, how to get 149 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,639 the how to play your c game like Tiger used to talk about it and 150 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:35,279 still come up with a decent score. M golf smarter. Yes, where 151 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,799 are you going to be holding the clinics throughout the desert or in a specific 152 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,679 location? No, we're going to be at a specific location. Indian Springs 153 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:52,320 Golf Club in Lakita really really pristine golf course with the emphasis on thinking. 154 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,639 It's not a real long golf course, so it's fun for everybody, real 155 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,840 nice driving range, a wonderful bar, restaurant and so forth, and really 156 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,679 terrific. The whole thing is. It's a beautiful site, it really is, 157 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,759 and it's open to the public. Wow. I've been to Lakina. 158 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,799 I have a friend who has a house down there, and I've played a 159 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,240 couple of the different career. He's a member of the Palms. Is that 160 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,840 right, the Palms? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Palms. 161 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,159 Yeah. So he lives at PGA West. He has a house down there 162 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,080 and is a member of the Palms, which we did an episode on the 163 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,960 Palms a long time ago with their general manager. That's and so the weather 164 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,000 is always great, especially now that winter is coming up. This is the 165 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,440 place to go. You want to be down here. So Lakinta I, 166 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,480 if you're not familiar, is in the Palm Springs area in southern California. 167 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,279 You're out in the desert. So even though it's winter, don't think that 168 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,279 it's still desert weather because it gets cold at night in the desert. But 169 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:01,360 it's beautiful. Yeah, it can get but in the daytime is it's just 170 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,960 heaven. I mean you walk outside and say, holy mackerel, the weather. 171 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:09,000 It's so beautiful. It really is. Don't be here in the summer. 172 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,480 In fact, I'm thinking about moving to Cord Lane. If anybody knows 173 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,799 anybody that has a nice little place they want to sell, I'm interested. 174 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:20,759 Contact me. Click on the Hayfred button at golfworter dot com. And well 175 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:24,639 I got to get out of Yeah, I got to get out of here. 176 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,519 In summertime, it's just a little too it's too hot. I can't 177 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,440 hit balls and do that. So but winter, there's no finer place, 178 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,200 no finer weather. I don't think anywhere in the planet actually fall winter, 179 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:43,519 spring. I mean it's spectacular and what a great destination for golfers. A 180 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,759 great destination for golfers. Yeah, We've got over one hundred golf courses, 181 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,919 and I think people that if they ever have a chance to come out and 182 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,840 they play this little golf course Springs are going to want to play it again. 183 00:13:54,879 --> 00:14:01,120 It's it's a good test. So I have to imagine that if you 184 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,759 have just knowing that it's anywhere from one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars 185 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:11,159 an hour for a golf teacher, and the fact that you and Dave and 186 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,759 Gary are all PGA professionals, you all have tour experience, you all have 187 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:24,399 decades of teaching experience. An hour and a half for the three of you, 188 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,639 How do I say this gently? It's probably not inexpensive. That's a 189 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:35,759 way to do it. Inexpensive, is it? Do you have any sense? 190 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,759 Well? Well, I mean, are you saying that we're not going 191 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:41,960 to make a lot of money. No, I'm saying you're going to probably 192 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,799 charge a lot of money. Well, no, the seventy five dollars is 193 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:52,720 what it's going to be per person. Yeah, seventy five dollars and per 194 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,279 teacher per the hour and a half. Each person taking the lessons in the 195 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,559 groups going to be seventy five dollars. Okay, So you have nine people 196 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:07,000 in this clinic for an hour and a half with three teachers, and the 197 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:13,039 whole cost is seventy five dollars. Correct. Wow, okay, sign us, 198 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,679 let's get signed up. Yeah. Well, yeah, we're not you 199 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:18,679 know this is we're not looking for a home run at this time of our 200 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:22,600 life. We love teaching the game, we know how to teach the game, 201 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,879 and we want to be paid a little bit for our time. But 202 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,320 we're both we're all sensitive about the fact that golf has been maybe pricing itself 203 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,399 out of the industry. I think that's part of the reason that, especially 204 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,799 in some of these areas, resort areas, that a lot of people can't 205 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,279 afford to play or can't afford to take a golf lesson. So we're going 206 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,519 to try to do something for the common man. Okay, let's put it 207 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,840 that way in and still make a little, a little walking around money, 208 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,039 as they say, you know, walking around. And I don't want to 209 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:02,200 count how you're going to spend and collect your money. But I'm just kind 210 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,080 of blown away that you can only charge seventy five dollars in an area that 211 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,279 has spectacular golf courses. You get an hour and a half and you still 212 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,279 have time to go out and play around too, even during the winter. 213 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,519 Yeah, and I don't know. I think it's this thing. It might 214 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:22,039 morph into something where we teach them and then go play golf of them. 215 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,799 And we've got the golf right so they could do that. You know, 216 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,840 we have we have no boundaries that we can't cross. We're going to try 217 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,240 to We're going to try to make this fun and a learning experience for everybody. 218 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:41,600 Yeah, that is spectacular. Have you started doing this yet. No, 219 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,960 we're in the planning stage. We're putting brochures together, going to hit 220 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,799 a lot of the hotels and so forth, and then start booking. And 221 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:56,559 you know, we're pretty confident because all three of us have pretty decent names 222 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,519 in this region, and I think we'll be able to fill our quoted pretty 223 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:04,680 easily, I have no doubt. So right as we're recording this, we're 224 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:14,319 a week before Thanksgiving twenty seventeen, and so you're kind of just announcing this 225 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,119 clinic, this this golf school, golf clinic. Now, when do you 226 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:25,519 anticipate starting to take students? Because people are going to want to fly out 227 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:30,000 to visit with you. I think a week after Thanksgiving we're going to be 228 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,160 rocking and rolling. Wow, I don't see great. Yeah, we're gonna 229 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,480 we're going to We're going to be kicking in real quick, and we're all 230 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,799 chomping at the bit to do it. The weather's great, a sky is 231 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,079 clear, and the golf balls are new. So what else can you What 232 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:51,240 do you want more than that? You know? Well, right now, 233 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:55,000 don't you going to start singing to me? Now? There you go back 234 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,039 to your rat pack days? Huh yeah, exactly. Listen, We're going 235 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,519 to take a short break right back, and then I want to ask you 236 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:11,200 more about the clinic. And also I'm still getting emails and requests for your 237 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,400 your book and your DVD, The Loss Fundamental. So we'll be back right 238 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,480 after this. Okay, Now, when we first started talking to each other 239 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:23,640 years ago. You you had this book that you had put together called The 240 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:29,880 Loss Fundamental. Let's talk about Uh, Well, first of all, is 241 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,599 the book available anymore? Yeah, I think we're going to go the e 242 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,839 book route. I sold out a couple a couple of printings, I sold 243 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:41,880 out. Congratulations. I think that yeah, thank you. I think that 244 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,359 the e book would be a nice way to go. And then I have 245 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:52,000 a DVD. I'm not sure how long I'm going to have stock on the 246 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,640 DVD. But the book is really I think it's a little treasure. I 247 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,000 think I had a co writer with this, Paul Servant's, and I think 248 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,599 we did a nice job. It's not a big, arduous read. It's 249 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:08,920 something that you can go through. But it's a real solid book, it 250 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:15,200 really is. And what is the Lass Fundamental. Well, it talks about 251 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:22,400 some of the things that I believe Ben Hogan discovered after his accident actually, 252 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,720 and it is really learning to not move the weight once you set to the 253 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:32,000 ball, not move the weight over to the right foot more than you did 254 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,799 at address, to play more off what we call the left side, because 255 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,920 when you hit a golf ball, if you're right handed. You have to 256 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,799 be the majority of your weight has to be against your left side as you're 257 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:49,559 hitting the ball, just like any other sport. In the past, there's 258 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:53,359 been a lot of what we call sliders, where people slide their hips back 259 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,200 and then slide their hips through, and that's really really a tough go. 260 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,240 You can do it when you're young, but after you get past forty or 261 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,680 forty ish, you end up hitting off of your right foot and not getting 262 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,519 through the ball. And that's the majority of things I see in the years 263 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:15,799 that I've been on playing in pro ams and so forth, that people say, 264 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,359 I can't shift my weight. Well, you're not going to be able 265 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,480 to shift your weight if you've got it stored all on your right foot at 266 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,000 the top of the swing, unless you're you know, Neuiev or somebody that 267 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,759 can. I mean, you've got to be young to you slide over and 268 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,599 then rotate because you got to rotate to the left eventually. So Hogan, 269 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,480 I think figured out a way to stay centered to the golf ball, turn 270 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:45,640 his right side back, but stay on the inside of that right foot and 271 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,359 then rotate around the left foot as an axis. And that's what primarily it's 272 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,440 not stack until. Don't get me wrong, uh And I'm not speaking against 273 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:57,000 them, by the way. Everybody has their own concepts, but this concept 274 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:00,200 is what Hogan said. He says, you're going to turn through the ball 275 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,279 a little bit more level. Now, obviously your left side has to be 276 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,240 higher than your right sideed impact, but you're not going to tilt down to 277 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:11,839 hit the golf ball. You're going to rotate through the golf ball. And 278 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:18,920 I think by doing that, you're generating your power more from your core than 279 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,039 from your arms and hands. And the sequence of motion is everything, and 280 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:26,720 that's where most people really mess up. They take the club back in a 281 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:30,079 good position, but then they throw the club from the top with their arms 282 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,480 and hands, so consequently they're just slapping at the ball and they get zero 283 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:40,519 distance and they don't get through the ball. What my book talks about is 284 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:45,480 how to get to the left side. And it's a drag you know, 285 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,359 it's a drag hit. In other words, your arms are they're lagging back 286 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,200 behind you as your body rotates, and they release through the ball and you 287 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,279 can hit the ball not only far, but I think you can hit it 288 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,440 very accurately. This way. It kind of eliminates the side spin in the 289 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,240 swing. Once the arms lead, then you're subject to what your hands do. 290 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:07,440 And that's in my in my mind, that's a crapshoot. It's you're 291 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,319 you're gonna, you're gonna. You can block it or you can hook it, 292 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,279 and sometimes you're let it straight. But there's there's no real consistency in 293 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:22,319 that because most people don't have the time to train their hands to be at 294 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:33,960 that that exact spot. Time and time again. When I learned how to 295 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:37,440 what I refer to as quiet, make my lower body quiet, quieting my 296 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,119 lower body because I did have the slide and I wasn't aware of it. 297 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,960 But once I learned to do that rotation and keep my lower half of my 298 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:52,799 body still, my back pain went away. Right. Well, that's that's 299 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,440 the whole thing. You know, a lot of people have lower back peed 300 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:59,279 because they worked under to hit the ball and they came back into what we 301 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,759 call the seat position. Now, obviously, when you hit the ball, 302 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,680 your your head is a little bit behind the ball and your body's a little 303 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,839 bit forward of the ball, but but not in that dramatic way that that 304 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:18,279 that era of when Nicholas and so forth played, everybody came in that seat 305 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:22,119 position and usually got a lower back problem. This concept gets you to post 306 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,920 up in a straight line. When you finish your swing, your left your 307 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,440 left side is is posted up like I say, a straight line, so 308 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,799 there's no chilt back and it's just easier on the body. And I really 309 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:37,720 believe that you can hit the ball a lot harder. Why should why would 310 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,039 you? Why would your body go backwards? When you're hitting a golf ball. 311 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,880 You're you're going to use your left leg as embrace. But but you're 312 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,880 going to hit through the ball, You're going to release your whole right side. 313 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,960 You're not going to stay back behind it. And that's what most people 314 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:56,200 do. They hit they hit from behind it too much and they stay behind 315 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,720 it. Uh and consequently there's subject to what their hands do. How many 316 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:10,279 people are shocked when you how many of your students are shocked when you explain 317 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,920 to them or show them that they slide their hip, that they you know 318 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,200 that they're not keeping still and they slide from left to right. Most people 319 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:25,960 have people doing no no, there's no feeling of it because you know you're 320 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,880 they're concentrating so much on turning. But as they turn, they're swaying, 321 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,920 okay, And then if you sway to the right, you must sway to 322 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,640 the left or you never reach the ball and you have to show them on 323 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,119 film or you know, we have these our iPhones now, our cameras, 324 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,079 so you can do that. But yeah, that's the number one thing that 325 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,119 I see most people. In fact, when I get a customer or a 326 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:53,839 client, I should say that, I say, hit a few balls. 327 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,920 Let me just look at your actions, so you see, and invariably I 328 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,920 see that right hip go past the right leg. You know, I just 329 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,119 in my mind is a bingo because we know, we know that we're going 330 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,359 to be able to improve that in New York. Second, so, and 331 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,759 you'd be surprised how many people do it. When you set up to that 332 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:18,000 golf ball, that right hip has to be aligned on the instep of your 333 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,440 right foot, and most people when they stand to the ball, their right 334 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:27,400 hip is aligned to the outside of the right foot. And when you turn 335 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,880 your shoulders, you're going to if you look down at your right foot, 336 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240 I don't care what you do. If you turn your shoulders in a turning 337 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,920 motion of the golf swing, your right foot's going it's going to rock over 338 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,759 to the to the back part of it. You're going to see movement. 339 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,519 If you put your right hip on the instep and turn, you'll see that 340 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,240 your there'll be your foot will be quiet, it'll be just nothing will be 341 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,599 happening. That's a real big thing, and no one talks about that. 342 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,400 And it's gigantic because if your body gets out of position, I don't care 343 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720 how strong you are, you're not going to hit the ball anymore. But 344 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,519 if you're in the right position at the backswing and at impact, you can 345 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,039 move the ball pretty far. That's why a lot of these little galas can 346 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,000 hit so far, because they're in the right position. They're certainly not as 347 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,480 strong as men, but some of them can pop it out there pretty far. 348 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,880 Okay, So as far as the paperback book, that's no longer available. 349 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,880 But you do have a DVD available? Correct? Yes, I have 350 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:30,279 a DVD available. I probably have. I'm probably down to about fifty Oh 351 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,559 and how much are they? So twenty dollars? Okay? So if any 352 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,079 But you don't have a website. I mean I know that people have written 353 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,920 me going I can't find Tony anywhere on the web where is he and is 354 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,720 he's right here? He's at golf Smarter. If you want to track him 355 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:52,759 down, there you go. So if somebody wants to buy a DVD limited 356 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:59,960 edition, a few left right to me, yes, Fredigolfsmarter podcast dot com, 357 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,519 and or click on the hay Fred button and I'll put you in touch 358 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,160 with Tony so you can definitely pick up a DVD from him, and we'll 359 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,839 when when the ebook is available. We've been talking about that one for a 360 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,920 while, but when it's available, we'll let everybody know. Okay, So 361 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,559 there is no website right now. Is there going to be a website for 362 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,960 your clinic or are you just doing brochures? How do people get you to 363 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:29,920 sign up? Right now? That's a good question. Okay, right now 364 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,519 we don't. You know, you could call it Indian Springs and they could 365 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,519 take your name and contact number. But we will have a website and we're 366 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,839 going to be coming up with a pretty strong name for the clinic, okay, 367 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,240 and we'll be to tie that all together and that'll be happening shortly. 368 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,000 Okay. Well, you know, instead of calling Indian Springs, you got 369 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:56,079 to look it up and everything you're on the podcast right now, I probably 370 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,559 am your best link to Tony at this point. So if you're interested in 371 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,279 signing up for his clinic, just go ahead and write to me and I 372 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,720 will af forward it to Tony and put you to in touch so that you 373 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,720 can schedule a time and know when they're going to be doing How many times 374 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,039 do you hope to be Are you going to be doing this five days a 375 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:17,480 week with this clinic with you guys, or listen, we're gonna we're gonna 376 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:21,519 we're gonna do at a minimum of three times a week. Okay, probably 377 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,880 probably not on the weekends, but but and that may change, but right 378 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,279 now, it's going to be during the week days. It'll be two day 379 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:37,400 clinic, so or one day, yeah, one day or two days? 380 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,359 Oh, I say so if you do two days, it's one hundred and 381 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,160 fifty dollars and you get an hour and a half each day type of thing. 382 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,759 That's correct. Yeah. So if someone someone wants to take a day 383 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:48,960 and they say, wow, I like this, I'm going to take another 384 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:52,759 day, they can do that, or they can just take one day. 385 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,279 They can take three days. You see what I'm saying. They can come 386 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:57,799 to every as many clinics as they want. And if you don't get nine 387 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,880 people to sign up for a specific date, are you still going to be 388 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,400 able to do this? Well, so we'll still go. Unless it's two 389 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,039 people, we wouldn't do that. But no, I mean if we get 390 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:18,720 let's just say we have six or seven, we'll still go forward. Before 391 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,640 we go, Tony, I've not asked you this before. You've told me 392 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,720 your incredible history down in the desert and the people you've come in contact with, 393 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,319 the people you played golf with, and how it impacted your playing career 394 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:34,920 because you were having so much fun with the guys during the fifties and sixties 395 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:41,279 down in Palm Desert, the rat pack, right, and yep, can 396 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,640 you share a story, whether it's a I think you even mentioned Gerald Ford 397 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,119 once, right, Yeah, I met the President Ford. He in fact 398 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,240 gave me some books out of his library. Although I did not play golf 399 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:57,039 with him, Okay, but I did have a chance to meet him. 400 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,759 I didn't realize what a big guy he was, you know. Oh yeah, 401 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,640 he was not a little guy. He's a pretty good sized guy. 402 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,720 I think he played football in college or something. But just a wonderful gentleman. 403 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,920 I'm just a wonderful person. Story. Does it have to be golf 404 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,720 related? No, No, it has to be fun related. I mean 405 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,680 something that happened well memorable. I can tell you a Frank Sinatra story. 406 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:27,960 I had met Frank Sinautra, who invited to the house on many occasions with 407 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,440 my fiance, and one day, out of the blue, she blurted to 408 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,759 Frank, Frank, you've got to come over to the house and I'll we'll 409 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,960 cook your dinner. And of course my eyes rolled back to the back of 410 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,359 my head because she was a beautiful girl, but she really couldn't boil water. 411 00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:49,799 Okay, So when we got in the car. When we got in 412 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,440 the car, I say, is that are you going to serve Frank Sinatra 413 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,759 beans and franks? What are you? Are you crazy? So I said, 414 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,920 and she looked at me with that pretty little face, and I said, 415 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,519 I got this handled. So I called my mother, who was in 416 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,839 santase and I said, Mom, and I didn't say Frank Sinatra. I 417 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,039 just said, I've got some really important people coming over. Can you make 418 00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:15,200 some homemade ravioli's and meatballs, put them on dry ice and fly him. 419 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,519 I'll pay for it. Fly it from Santassey to Palm Springs. So she 420 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:23,000 said, sure, no problem. So she sent all this food over dry 421 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,160 ice. And I had a good friend of mine who was a musician, 422 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,039 and he wanted to be there when Frank Sinatra was and he was. He 423 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,319 said, I'll help you arrange everything, cook everything. So we did, 424 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,400 and Frank shows up with Jillie Rizzo, who is his good time friend, 425 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:45,599 and and we sit down and eat and talk. He said yes, she 426 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,599 asked him to come to Oh yeah, he had. He had said yes 427 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,359 when at his house when we were having dinner. He said yes. Oh 428 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,759 yeah, yeah. So the pressure was on me. So anyway, so 429 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,039 we're sitting there and Frank says to me, or he says to my fiance 430 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Mimi. He said me me, these are the best meatballs I've ever had 431 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,400 in my life. He said, I mean, I've eaten all over the 432 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,160 world. You got to give me the recipe. And she started to say 433 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,519 something. I said, Frank, I had the charade that has to be 434 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,400 over. And I told him the story that what I did, and he 435 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,519 started howling. He couldn't. He thought that was the funniest thing. He 436 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,680 says, get your mother on the phone. So I called my mother, 437 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,160 and my mother's name was Nina. So I said, Mom, I said, 438 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,440 Frank Sinatra would like to talk to you. She didn't get the hell 439 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640 out of here, but I said, no, no, I'm no mom. 440 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,119 That's who I said, Frank Sinatra would like to talk to you. 441 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,440 So he gets on the phone. And you got to remember, at our 442 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,559 house, we had a picture of Jesus and the next time we had a 443 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:50,000 picture of Frank. Okay, So, so my mother says says, hello, 444 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,119 mister Sinatra, and he said, Nina, and he says, I've 445 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160 got to tell you something. Those are the best meatballs I've ever had. 446 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,519 Blah blah blah blah, and can you send me the recipe? And my 447 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,759 mother said them, Frank, I'll make you all the meatballs you want, 448 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,799 but you never get my recipe. And he broke up. He just loved 449 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,759 that she denied him. Okay, nobody did that to Frank Sinatra. Nobody 450 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:20,039 said not. He just loved her for that. And through the years she 451 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,119 used to make Christmas cookies, all homemade, unbelievable, and she would always 452 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:30,240 send him Christmas cookies every Christmas, and he was so wonderful whenever he appeared 453 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:35,400 in San Francisco or wherever my folks went. They sat at the Sinaptra table 454 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,319 right against the stage. The guy was just amazing. But he just when 455 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,039 Christmas comes and say, you think your mom's going to send the cookies, 456 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,200 this is Frank. You can just count on it. So that's my story. 457 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,680 That's my one. I got a lot of Frank Sinatra stories, but 458 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,400 that's one that always thrills me because the look on his face when my mother 459 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880 said that I'll make all you want, but I'm not giving my recipe. 460 00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,119 I just love that all at his family as well, I am. I'm 461 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,319 so glad you said you have a lot of stories, because I'm going to 462 00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:05,920 continue to go to call you. R might remind me. And I'm not 463 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,320 going to give the entire story, but I do this other I did a 464 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,559 radio national syndication in the eighties that I brought back this year as a podcast 465 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,480 called Radio Baseball Cards, and the host of the show was Don Drysdale, 466 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,280 who is a childhood hero of mine as a pitcher for the Dodgers. Right. 467 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,360 Yes, and actually Cofax and Drysdale were both heroes of mine as I 468 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880 was growing up. So the fact that I got a chance to work with 469 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,880 Drysdale in the studio, was pretty incredible, right to do this show. 470 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,119 So we were recording I think it was the last episode of the season, 471 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:45,159 which actually just is the last episode of the podcast from twenty seventeen baseball season, 472 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,840 and it's a story of Harmon Killebrew hitting a home run during the nineteen 473 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,840 sixty five World Series, his only home run that he ever hit in the 474 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:59,719 sixty five World Series, and Drysdale was the pitcher, right, they gave 475 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:01,880 up that home run. Well, he was a picture because it was Game 476 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,239 one of the sixty five World Series, which, if anybody knows their history 477 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,280 about this was the day that Sandy Kofax said, yeah, I'm not going 478 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,000 to pitch in the World Series on Game one because it's home Ki poor. 479 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,119 It's the Jewish high right, right, I remember that, right? So 480 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,840 that's Sinatra and that's so Drysdale had to pitch and it was terrible for him. 481 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,880 But while we were recording it, he looks at and he goes, 482 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,440 you're Jewish, right, Yeah, he goes, did you know Kofax was 483 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,679 Jewish? And like you said about the picture on you all, I said, 484 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,440 I said, don there's two things that most Jews in this country know, 485 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000 and that's Moses and Kofax. And it pretty much ends right then there, 486 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,199 that's about it. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, 487 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,760 yeah, that's a great story. Don was I got to meet him here 488 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,039 and his wife, and in fact, he signed a baseball that I just 489 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:58,880 treasure. He was a wonderful guy and was god God knows what a picture 490 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,320 he was too. Of course Cofax. I don't think anybody was ever any 491 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,239 better than him, Nope, nope. It was amazing. And to see 492 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,320 him in the World Series this year was pretty awesome, all right, Tony, 493 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:14,519 So that was awesome. We covered Lost Fundamental. If anybody wants to 494 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,400 get a DVD, get in touch with me. We covered your soon to 495 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,239 be named golf clinic area, which is going to be seventy five dollars for 496 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,559 an hour and a half with three different teachers multiple times a week. That's 497 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,559 a phenomenal deal. And hopefully we'll get to meet Dave and Gary at some 498 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:36,079 point soon, right, we're gonna I want to get them on the show 499 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,960 too, Can we do that? Absolutely? Absolutely? And they're terrific guys 500 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,000 and you'll enjoy the conversation yep, yep, Tony, thanks so much for 501 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,559 coming back on and good luck listen. Same to you, Fred, and 502 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:52,119 again it's always a pleasure to be on your show. I just a real 503 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:57,039 kick in the pants for me, so let's get together soon, Okay,