Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host,
and my name is Alejandro t Rojas sue Erginius, and I have with me
my good buddy Martin Willis, who joins us with UFO News, and he
is also a super genius. Wow, so it's no so you can call
me Martin super Genius Willis. Yeah. Maybe, oh I did, Yeah,
I did. Wow. That goes on your business card. You remember,
I'm referring to the young guys. Aren't gonna remember the old guys like
us will Bugs Bunny because that used to be on television all the time.
Now they the kids don't get to see Bugs Bunny and it's terrible. It's
where most of my comedic stuff comes from. Maybe it's good then they'll think
it's original. But yeah, that was one of while E Coyote super Genius.
Hmmm. I like the sound of that, Wile E Coyote super Now
we're doing the whole skit, but it's a good skit, funny stuff.
And he created that business card, Wiley Coyote super Genius. Good stuff,
good stuff, right. I grew up in that era too, and yeah,
it was like Saturday Morning m cartoons and then I guess they were on
like every day. Yeah, they were on every day, and boy I
was there watching that Bugs Bunny one funny dude. Yeah, that's right,
So let us get into it. So what we're here for, actually,
people is UFOs. So just so you're aware of what our show is all
about, we look at it from a journalistic perspective. So we look at
the news and the information out there, we share it with you, hopefully
in an unbiased manner. If we're speculating or sharing our opinions, we'll let
you know that. But you know, we're kind of looking at a more
skeptical, kind of hard look at everything. And if the interview starts at
twenty five minutes after, so if you want to skip over to the interview,
you can, but you're going to miss a lot of the latest and
greatest news. However, the interview is really good. Today we've got Lee
Spiegel, formerly of the Huffington Post. Now he's got a new radio show
called Edge of Reality on kg r A radio. Uh this state this plays
on That Martin show plays on kg r A and elsewhere as well. But
uh so we talked to Lee about his new project. There the other project
he's been working on is his documentary with James Fox. Of course we had
him on last time talking about that, but uh, we talked a little
bit about that because that is finally coming to Fruition and the at the UFO
Congress. James Fox, the main documentary producer, filmmaker there, is going
to be talking about this film. So finally, you know, Lee's been
the guy leaking out some information here and there, but finally we're going to
hear from the man himself, James Fox, about his new exciting film at
the International UFO Congress. I can't wait. I can't wait to make to
meet James. Yeah, so and and people don't know this, but you
have a very important job at the UFO Congress. I know you are very
afraid to do it, but it's kind of you know, it's like the
director job who's doing the news. You've got to push all the buttons and
click all the clicky things and you know, coordinate everything that's going on up
there on the stage. I'm starting to get anxiety. No, don't do
that. You did a great job. You had fun. In fact,
I couldn't get you off of it. I did, I did. I
want to keep doing it and we're like, well, no, you know
your time's up, and you're like, no, I just looked through it
to tutorial the other day and I go, did I really do this?
Hophil to come back? I mean we both use that. What is OMD
or whatever for? Oh? Yes, yeah, it's way less complicated than
that, I think. Probably getting back to Lee, Uh, what a
great show he is running. I'm glad you're talking to him today. I
help a lot of people go check that out. It's really I've listened to
all three of them that he's had so far, and they've been very,
very well done, professional and very enjoyable. Hmmm. I'm sure he's going
to love to hear that. Well, it's true. He's been doing it
for a long time, so it's a lot of fun. Yeah. I
think it was the late seventies, Yeah, something like that. Amazing,
Yeah, amazing. He tells a story and I'll tell this because we didn't
get into it and I should have asked him about it, which is kind
of funny. When he said he wanted to do a UFO radio show,
they said fine, But and this is in New York City, the Big
City, the Big Apple but if you're going to do this, you have
to stand out on the street. I think they told him to do this
weekly in an alien costume to promote the show. And this alien costume was
created by Saturday Night Live. And I'm pretty sure he's got a picture of
it on his website. Oh my god, he never told me that part.
Yeah, he talks at his lecture. Lecture, that's very humbling.
Yeah, if I would to move forward with that if I was him,
Yeah, he did it, so thank goodness. I guess you got info
out there what you got to do sometimes, huh? I guess. All
right. So let's go ahead and get into the ufon news. Martin and
I cover you know, the latest ufone news before we get into the show
the interview, and so go ahead and start us off. What bit of
news that you find on the front page of Open Minds, that TV or
elsewhere that you would like to discuss. Well, I'd like to talk.
There's so much news out there about the storm area, fifty one of them.
And so Lincoln County plans an emergency declaration ahead of it, which I
think, I mean, I don't blame them, And I'll get into that,
you know, in the story. So this is basically through Las Vegas
News Channel three and Lincoln County officials are moving forward with the plans to sign
an emergency declaration ahead of storm Area fifty one event scheduled for next month.
The county's Board of Commissioners met Monday mornings to discuss a pre signing for the
declaration and in anticipation of the September event, which is expected to draw as
many as thirty thousand people. Now i've heard personally, I've heard people's throw
out all kinds of numbers, you know, maybe fifty thousand. I don't
know's it might be one of those things where people will show up because it's
just curiosity wondering who else is going to show up and how big it's going
to be. I think they'll be, you know, I think it's possibly
a lot larger. And the reason that they're having this emergency declaration or they
want to declare that is because of the area there is. We've talked about
this to you and I have before. There's no lodging there and the closest
town is rachel and I believe there's isn't there like one hundred people there or
something is so small, such a small town, so there's such a lack
of resources including gas and lodging and of course food and you know there's an
inn there, but it's completely booked of course, So I think people have
to it's such a harsh environment. I mean, you know, the temperatures
even that time of year can still get really hot, and you know,
there is just people really have to be very very careful. And I totally
get the reason why they are declaring this. It's turned into now it's a
three day music and arts festival and it's called alien Stock. Like there's more
than one. There's one called peace Stock, and the organizers got a hold
of me for that one, and that is the guy who got a hold
of me also does Coachella, So I think that's what that was all about.
Peace Stock fifty one, I think they're calling it. So, you
know, I think it's a coastelic people. Coachella people decided because Coachelle is
not that far so they've got experience putting on events. But you know they
want to do yeah, this big same thing, you know, kind of
a Woodstock Coachella thing. In fact, they have a bunch of pictures if
you go. Look. Oh, and they've put up some more bands,
so they've got some more actions. I was just going to ask you if
you you know, I saw there's a few confirmed bands, but no,
they said there's going to be some real headliners. But I'm not seeing the
information. I don't see it. That at the peace Stock fifty one they
have you know, it looks like a picture of Kendall Jenner or a girl
that looks like her with a bunch of people, and you know, same
Coachelle. I'm sure it's a Coachella picture, scantily clad people and stuff like
that. And then the artists they have are I don't know any of these
names, so you artists and indie artists, I don't know. So anyway,
Yeah, the issue has been some of these are at the at the
Little Alien which is in Rachel Rachel, Nevada. The town has up on
their town site. Don't come here. This is bad. These guys are
not prepared. These guys are bad. The city doesn't want this. They're
going to be armed and protecting their their land, the citizens of the city.
It even says, but it does say go ahead and go to the
Alien Research Center. So the Alien Research Center is having an event. It
may be so, I guess part of it is the safety. Are safety
concerns being met and there are people reviewing that. And as far away is
the has that center away from there, it's it's pretty close. Oh okay,
it's right there. It's the tall one. In fact, when when
Travis and I went, we're on the area fifty win with the Kardashians.
We had to we went there with them also, so that was near it's
you know, one of the stops. Let's see, it's near Crystal Springs,
So it's kind of that three seventy five highway. Rachel is about on
the north side of that, and at the end, at kind of the
crossroads, that's where the Alien Research Center is. It looks like only you
know, five or no, maybe ten miles away, Alejandro, This just
occurred to me. Do they Does someone actually have permission to hold an event
on a certain whissel of property? Yeah, well, some of these people
own the property. Little Alien has property they own, The Alien Research Center
has property they own, and yes, they have allowed people to work on
this property. The Alien Research Center, by the way, I might be
I might be speaking there for this thing. But the person I'm working with
is working on making sure that they have you know, they're vetting them,
making sure they're they're legit, they've got all the safety concerns figured out,
and you know, we don't want to be a part of anything that's that's
like some of these others, it's kind of shaky. But anyway, the
permits, I guess there were some sort of permits they had to get.
And that's why this news that you're sharing is kind of weird because the latest
I heard was that, you know, the town was saying and the town
said they do not have their permits, but it sounds like from what I
heard, the permits were granted. But at the same time, the city
is saying, you know, we are going to declare this emergency. So
but one of the an emergency declaration will also give them more funds, and
that could be the big thing that they need is just more money allowing to
you know, dip into another budget beside their own, and so that could
be the back of the ground of this. It's probably to hire some more
security and maybe even some of the things that you mentioned, like making sure
there's water and safety and all of these things. That are supposed to happen.
Yeah. Wow, And it's not going to be too long that,
you know, just it's just like a month from today. I know,
it's not very far away. So it's pretty wild wharphs into it's already morphed
already. We'll see what else changes by then. So and I don't know,
like, you know, where those of if we're going to be speaking
out there, I don't know where we'd be staying or anything. But I
do have a friend who said he wants to runt an RV, so I
could crack on the floor of his RV or something. Yeah, that seems
like the only thing that really makes any sense to bring there some type of
RV or Yeah. So I don't know, we'll see. I mean,
there's not a lot of time for the organizers to kind of figure stuff out.
And this alien stock one that you're mentioning has gotten more press than this
peace stock fifty one from the Coachella people, and so, but they're all
right there, So I think everybody's going to be aware of everything going on,
because you know, it's all right there. So we'll see, yeah,
and then what else. And there was some other news regarding this,
you know, our good buddy MJ wrote a story about how the whole thing's
going to be a mess, and of course he referenced mostly alien stock and
some of this what I mentioned about the city. But here's another funny story.
The only band and booked to play Storm Area fifty one has an interview
here on why they might believe in UFOs. They're not so sure, but
maybe. And that's a band I have actually never heard of myself, but
shame on me, I probably should have. Oh, I know what,
you haven't heard of this band? What is the name of the band?
I forget I'm going to take a look at those So you take a look
at the band and then let us know when you figure that out, because
I don't know either, to be honest, But anyway, Yeah, there's
a story on that, and of course you can find these all on the
front page of Open Minds dot tv. And then let's see a couple other
things going on. Oh, I wrote this story, and this was something
I think I've talked about before. I don't remember. Brian Bender from Politico
was at the Aspen Security Forum. And it's funny because some people will say,
oh, you know, Bender's taking the lead from to the Stars on
writing his stories, as if he's in the pocket of to the Stars or
something like that. I talked to Bender on a regular basis. He lives
out here. Not true at all. Of course, I had him on
my show. You know, he does important stuff like going to the security
forums, and he's hanging out with you know, Assistant Secretary of Defense for
this and Secretary of that, and you know, all of these lawmakers,
all of these very very high falutin people. So you know, he's conversing
people. He has no concern about the UFO crowd. But of course he
thinks some of this is an interesting story, because it is, and so
that's why he covers this stuff. But interesting enough, he was sitting in
one of the forums and someone was brave enough to ask one of the admirals
about UFOs, and you can tell the guy was kind of nervous because his
question didn't even fully get out here, just kind of like, uh,
yeah, uh, the Navy and UFOs and uh and so you know,
and then people kind of laughed, which was disappointing. Uh So I wrote
an article about this. In fact, Tyler Rogaway, who's a Defense writer.
He's like, well, it was in that crowd. It's probably a
lot of defense journalists and they laughed. It's disgusting. He called it disgusting
that they laughed. Uh, because Tyler, these are his colleagues, Tyler
Rogua away he wrote for The Drive. And Uh, anyway, I posted
this story on the Roswell Daily Record but also on my blog Allejandro t Rojas
dot com. But yeah, so nice to be a column columnist at the
Roswelt Daily Record. Some great people over there. But yeah, I wrote
about this and then and so the the guy's reply was more interesting than what
it seems. He said, Uh that essentially, here's how Bender put it
that Admiral Phil Davidson responds that there is now a reporting process for these unexplained
sightings and says the encounters were during a finite period. So that's an interesting
quote. The fact that they, yeah, finite, the fact that the
Navy has new reporting processes, something that Brian Bender himself broke as a news
story. He was one with that scoop. But so it's interesting this admiral
knows about that, although you know, he's in the Navy, so that's
not as surprising. But the finite period thing, it's something that is interesting.
I asked Bender, what did he think that meant? And because my
point was, you know, the sightings, the two big ones that we
know about that we know they are briefed on. It's because of the you
know, the television show Unidentified is why we know they were briefed. And
of course this is due to the work of To the Stars and luel Azando.
But those cases occurred in two thousand and four and then twy fourteen,
in twenty fifteen, that's not really finite. That's a large period of time.
But what Bender's saying is that he thinks what they're saying is that these
periods of times where they were citing we were like two thousand and four or
twenty fourteen to fifteen, they were during a finite period of time here and
there. I further wrote then about what Tyler Rogoway has been writing about,
because Tyler Roganway has been making a point that he agrees that it is a
finite period of time and in certain places all around the United States. And
furthermore that in both of these cases, they there was a new radar technology
that was being deployed, so he's putting together these facts to say, you
know, okay, brand new radar technology. These all happened near the United
States, off the coast, and you know, during a finite period of
time. He's saying, those ingredients point to human technology somebody you know,
me with them, and it's some sort of top secret technology that's very exotic.
However, he's saying that's just one possibility, because there's also the issue
that these technologies, of course, are far superior than other technologies we're aware
of. In fact, one of his quotes is that he makes the point
that we have to with the reporting of these encounters, now realize that technology
exists that is capable of performing flying maneuvers that shatter our perceptions of propulsion,
flight controls, material science, and even physics. That's his quote. So
it doesn't answer all the questions, especially the harder questions, but to him
it answers more. And what I find interesting is if the Admiral is saying
this something similar to what Roguaway has pointed out, maybe the investigation is also
similar to Roguaways in that they are looking for and they see evidence that perhaps
this is human technology. So I don't know, we have zero insight into
the Navy's any Navy investigation into UFOs. I mean, certainly we now know
because this is the other story actually I wrote is on my blog. I'll
get into this real quick. And I don't know if you've seen this.
Some new emails were released this week regarding how those Navy UFO videos were released,
and you know, there's some spin in everything, but I looked at
those emails and I wrote up a summary to kind of clarify things for people,
and it really again shows what Alexondo was saying, but even more,
it adds a little bit more. So it shows Alexondo having a conversation between
you know, the the adopts or people, the people in charge of releasing
stuff. Aleixando submitted it the DD nineteen ten to get the videos released,
and in this conversation they say something like, well, if you uh,
from what I understand, you can just get rid of the metadata and then
they're unclassified and you can go ahead and publicly release them all you want.
And it was Lou who went back and said, well, I'm not looking
for If this makes it easier for you than a public general public release,
is fine. I'm cool with that, but I was looking for more of
a controlled release. So Elizondo's saying I didn't want to release it to the
general public. I was just going to release it, release it to some
you know, industry partners and some others. But what they did was stamp
this thing cleared open for publication. And as I point out in my article,
if you go look at the instruction booklip for the Doopster UH for the
DT nineteen ten, it says if it's cleared open for publication, that means
despite what anybody else's input, and it says this. The verbiage practically says
this, I'm paraphrasing, but it says, then it's clear for general public
release. So those videos were cleared, like I thought, for a general
public release. Now I got kind of criticized for suggesting that, but now
this proves that. So it proves that they were the ones on the DoD
side that were cool with the general public release. So even though some people
with the Public Affairs Department made it sound like, oh, you know,
they released it more than they should have. Well lose the one who came
up with a restriction, so really and they told him you can release it
to whoever you want. So he really was able to release him to whoever
he wanted, and that's what those emails really show. So they're kind of
interesting, but it does show the Navy was involved with at least releasing them.
Interesting. I know we're out of time, but I just wanted to
tell you that rock band is a rock trio called Willie or Wiley Savage.
Wiley Savage. I haven't heard of them, have you? Oh yeah,
sure, yeah, no, I have no idea Wiley So rockin' to Wiley
in area fifty one. That's right. So all right, well, thank
you very much for sharing all that news. Yes, you're very welcome,
and I can't wait to hear Lee's interview with you. Yes, it's always
great to have you on. It's always great to have Leon and so we
will get to that right after the break. But thank you Martin for joining
us. Of course you could check out Martinette podcast UFO. Otherwise, let's
go ahead and after this break we will be back with Lee Spiegel. You're
listening to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am happy to welcome back to the
show a dude who I feel hasn't been on the show in a while.
Although he might complain about that, he's been happily. Probably by far,
the guest I've had the most on the show, and that is the esteemed
Lee Spiegel. Hello, mister Spiegel. Oh, thank you, Alehanjo.
I don't know do I prefer the word esteemed or dude? I have to
think about that. How about esteemed dude? Esteemed dude? Is that true
that I've been on more than anyone else? Wow, I'm sure you have
because we do the yearly special. Yes, I have you periodically just to
talk about, you know, different cases and different UFO stuff. Yeah.
So if I went and counted by far, well besides Martin, but he's
on every one, of course. Well, I do appreciate that. Is
there is there like a prize? Yeah for that distinction. Yes, that
you get the title of esteemed dude, esteemed UFO dude. That's going to
look so good on a T shirt. I'll tell you, Yeah, that
will. That'll be fun. So you have been Okay, last time we
talked to you, you actually made some statements that were pretty controversial at least
even maybe even got you in a little bit of trouble. I don't know,
But because you were on we were talking about what. Oh I think
it was the year en. It couldn't have been that long ago. Oh
yeah, yeah it was, because I remember that show in January. At
one point you asked me, Lee, what do you think is going to
be the biggest story of twenty nineteen. Yeah, so I just automatically started
talking about your funem materials and fragments and you know, who's doing what and
what could it possibly mean? And we were talking about it and people out
there who were either listening to the show or listen to a rebroadcast of it,
And like Ufo Joe, for example, who is a colleague of yours,
and he likes to listen to programs of interviews and then go back and
listen to the transcripts and he likes to transcribe them and put them on his
site his blog and make whatever his own comments are. And apparently he did
that based on the conversation that I had with you and Martin about meta materials.
And it didn't get me into any trouble with the scientists who James Fox
and I interviewed on camera exclusively about the work that they're doing. I didn't
mention any names or where we did the interview basically, which was in a
very secret laboratory, and the amazing things that we saw at this location.
I was very careful not to mention those kinds of details. And at the
end of UFO Joe's analysis of that, he said something like, well,
Spiegl didn't mention any of the specifics, but if I was going to bet,
he's probably talking about blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Okay.
And so when I then sent that blog to producer James Fox, he got
really upset because he said, how could you let this information out? And
I said, excuse me, James, if you go back and read this
guy's article, I didn't let any information out, be very specific before you
jump on me. I was very careful. And then he calmed right down
and said, yeah, okay, we're good, We're fine. Yeah.
He was just shock here. He didn't realize, and I think a lot
of people don't realize. You know, how much information is out there if
you dig. And of course people like Joe are really good at doing that
digging and what's so great about him, But and just so people are aware,
I mean, that piece of information was just that that you, and
you know, correct me if I'm wrong. Part in this documentary you will
be covering some cases where they're going to be looking at anomaloust materials, which
I kind of like that phrases meta materials has become popular, but it's so
technical of a term, I think we have to be careful not to misuse
it. So and really what we're looking at is anomalous materials, but anyway,
anomalous anomaloust materials being analyzed by credible labs that are not related to the
stars that are going to be part of your film. That's right, And
and I may have said this on the original interview we did, but what
James and I were allowed to film was an actual the actual technology that is
going to help to confess certain things about some of these fragments that come from
around the world that scientists have been able to get their hands on. Uh.
And and based on the stories and the origins of these materials, we
we don't yet know how much of this stuff comes from either real stories or
comes from things that are easily explained, for example. Then what they're what
they're looking to analyze in the with the technology they've developed, is how to
determine if any of these fragments were a either naturally formed here on Earth or
were they manufactured by someone off the Earth, and if they were manufactured,
what was the purpose of the manufacturing. And these scientists are being very careful
not to even use the words extraterrestrial ets UFO like that. They're just saying,
we're just doing what we're doing as science. We have this material,
we're using this contraption, this technology to really analyze this material, and once
we get our information, we're going to give it to science. We're not
going to hoard it for ourselves. We're going to release it so that other
scientists everywhere who don't have the same technology that we're using, so that all
these people can then take it and make their own conclusions, do their own
experiments. We're all we're doing is the initial work and then saying here,
now you folks take it. We don't want it anymore. I mean,
you know, they want to keep it nice and simple without making any crazy
assumptions or speculations. It's like, here's what we've discovered. Now it's your
turn. And that's what's exciting because that's exactly the way it should be done.
That's the right way to do it. I think that you know,
I know who you're working with, and because I've been I've got to help
with the production a little bit of this, and so I am privy to
this knowledge. But the point is that they are people who are doing it
right, and they have been very tight lipped and careful about what they've said
publicly. And I think, and you personally, you know who these scientists
are, so you can confirm when I say they're legitimate, they are legitimate.
Yeah, these are legit dudes. Yeah, exactly. But to the
stars we've seen you know, there have been comments made occasionally, and I
understand how it's hard, because you get people get so excited, but I
think it's wiser just not to say anything because sometimes when you throw stuff out
there, people get excited and make assumptions. So and that's probably why James
didn't want information out either, But yeah, because that can happen. But
yeah, it's so exciting that we're at this point right now to have have
these two different projects looking into this sort of thing. And I don't even
know if it's just these two. I'm assuming that there are other big places
around the world that are doing this kind of work because it's work. You
know, It's not just scientists here in the United States. There are scientists
in many countries that would love to get their fingers onto this stuff. Now
that now that now that it's no longer taboo to even talk about this stuff,
and you know this, our audience and some of the audiences of our
some of our few select friends are very lucky because they have us to ferret
this information out to share with them. I hope that that's true, because
it's really important, you know, to make sure that the audience or the
people the public in general get their information from good places. Every time I
do a presentation somewhere, one of the first things that I say to people
is, please don't get all of your UFO information just from watching ancient aliens.
Please. You know, there are many places where you can go to,
and I hopefully I'll steer you into different directions where you can continue beyond
what I'm saying to you all here. You can go do your own research,
do some legwork so that tomorrow around the water cooler you'll be able to
say something that will make great interesting water cooler conversation. Right right exactly,
and I guess when it comes to the film. Now we know the name
of the film. Now it's called The Phenomenon, and we didn't know that
before early on years ago and its first incarnation, it was going to be
called the seven oh one, representing the seven hundred alleged you know, there's
different numbers actually, but the seven hundred and one because this was said at
one point unexplained cases from Project Bluebook. But out of this film, such
as this material, about what percentage of that. Most documentaries are kind of
a rehash of stuff that's already been out there. But most of what you
all are working on, and I think it's fair to say is new.
Yes, a lot of the stuff is new. And in fact, you
and your audience at next month's International UFO Congress in Phoenix, you're going to
get a nice little preview because James Fox is one of your speakers, and
he specifically he agreed to do that because he wants to talk about the documentary.
He hasn't really done that very much at all, But now we're getting
so close to finishing it and having it be released to the public by the
end of this year. He's now ready and I think the UFO Congress will
be the first place he's going to where he may even show some visuals about
it on stage, and he will talk about some of the amazing people that
we've interviewed for the project, including Nevada Senator Harry Reid, former White House
Chief of Staff John Podesta, doctor Jacques Vallet, who was my first two
hour guest on Edge of Reality Radio just a few weeks ago. And we
also will have several government and military officials in the film talking about the phenomenon
like never before. It's going to open up people's minds to the fact that,
Wow, we're looking at something that's really serious. I think in recent
weeks and months because of shows like Unidentified on the History Channel that just had
its first sixth episode arc. I saw all six episodes. I know you
did. I, except for a couple of things that I wasn't crazy about.
I liked what they did. I liked a lot of the information that
started to come out being very serious. They had people that were forthcoming in
and out of politics and the military, and that's what people like you and
me and other writers have been clamoring for to be able to give to the
public. Here's here's another jet fighter pilot, here's another scientist, here's another
politician. The story that you jumped on of Congressman Mark Walker from from North
Carolina, that's a story I'm interested in too. And you know, here's
a guy who just sent a letter to the United States Navy Secretary basically saying
to him, you know, all these pilots, these navy pilots, we've
been hearing about it over the last few months, we've had UMFO encounters.
What's up with that? And and is the investigation ongoing? What can we
expect? Will anything more be released? And this is the congressman who's basically
saying, I want this I want this information now, as I understand it.
Al Anjo didn't, didn't he. I think he wrote the letter at
the end of July and or just like around July nineteenth or thereabouts, Yes,
right, because then he went on to talk to Tucker Calson on Fox
on the twenty ninth. So this letter has been out there since almost exactly
a month ago. And I don't know unless you've heard anything different, and
I haven't. I've been looking. Has there been any response to that letter
to the Secretary of the Navy right, there has not, and that is
very interesting. I think that's a great point that you brought up, that
there's not. And I love this letter because it's so well written. I
mean, whoever did that obviously did their homework, because that letter hit on.
I think if I were if they would have called me up and said,
hey, we're writing this letter, what would you advise we put in
this letter? I don't think it would be much different in the way that
they put it together. A couple of things that they gain exactly clear.
But because they even called out, hey, if this advanced Aerospace thread identification
program existed in the past, and you're saying you closed that program, that
means that ever since you closed that program, you haven't been investigating these UFO
cases that you say are so important. Why not you should be doing that.
So it's kind of calling them out. Of course, lou says the
program does exist, So that's essentially causing them to say whether or not the
program still exists, and they would have to admit it now. I again,
luckily I get to see some stuff others don't. I've seen paperwork.
I know this group exists still, or at least I know things continued,
and so that information will come out eventually. I'm sure it will, just
like you know, more and more information comes out as time goes along about
the background of the program. So that's great that he called him out on
that to see what they say. Now, Unfortunately it's addressed to the Secretary
of the Navy, who didn't have anything to do with a tip. But
we'll see if there's a response. You would think they would have to have
some kind of response, well, you know, And of course it's all
part and parcel that this comes on the heels of all that news about how
the Navy opened their mouths and said, we're about to change the policy reporting
guidelines of all Navy personnel who encountered UFOs, were changing our policies. Now,
they didn't have to make that information public. They could have just not
done that, you know, but they opened up a little can of worms
just by letting us know, Oh, now the Navy's changing their policies.
Gene, you wonder why, you know, they could have just kept quiet
and gone on to other regular Navy business. I would like to ask you
about this because you've been doing this for so long, and you know,
the Navy is kind of funny they make this statement, Okay, we take
UFO seriously. We've got new reporting guidelines. You know, we don't mess
around when it comes to UFOs. Yeah, which is great for them to
say, But they've never they've been one organization that has not shared practically anything
about UFOs in the past, and now they're kind of pretending like, oh
no, we're in the foreground. We're in the forefront of releasing information.
It's kind of funny. Well, you know what I like about this is
that ever since December of twenty seventeen, when our friend Leslie Kane and two
other folks from the New York Times wrote this now famous New York Times story
about the Pentagon top secret UFO study, ever since that that kind of opened
up and made it all a little bit of a game changer about UFOs.
Nowhere in all of this it's been mayvy jet fighter pilots, maybe that USS
this carrier, USS NI MIT's carrier. But nowhere has the Air Force come
out with any statements like that. It's like, ever since, ever since
nineteen sixty nine when the Air Force closed Project Blue Book and said there's nothing
here to see anymore, there's nothing here of any scientific evidence. We're not
being visited by anyone. There's no evidence of extraordinary technology. Please everybody go
home. Been there, done that, And ever since then we haven't heard
a peep from the Air Force, except for over the years when it kept
coming up in the news and the Air Force had to keep coming up with
new explanations of what happened at Roswell and you know again, and it was
during all that time that the Navy wasn't saying anything. It was here's the
Air Force just denying. They were denying and denying it. And now all
of a sudden, as you say, here's the Navy coming out with this
information, but where's the Air Force? Because the Air Force realizes they must
they must realize that everything that they wrote in their conclusions in nineteen sixty nine
about them not being interested about anything to do with UFOs, well that was
obviously a lie. And what can they say now about it when we now
know it was a lie because there has been investigation about UFOs since then.
You know what I mean? Yes, I think you're exactly correct. And
that's what's interesting is that, no doubt, their strategy has been to keep
quiet and hope that this all blows over. But I don't think that it
is. I think that's the beauty and this is why, you know,
people should be enthusiastic about too that Stars doing the work they do and keep
putting pressure on these organizations so they can't just let it go, because if
they continue to influence lawmakers like Walker to ask questions, then you know,
they can't remain silent and they're going to have to be forced into to making
some comments. And you know, certainly from what I understand, you know,
to the Stars is not going to let up on any pressure. I
think that the Phenomenon documentary that you all put together will help and that you
know, at some point, all these guys are going to have to start
making comments. They're getting asked these questions in these important forums like the Aspen
Security Forum in Colorado. You know, Brian Bender wrote about how her tweeted
and I wrote a story about it recently. How you know, one of
the admirals was asked about UFOs there and even though the most of the people
in the room laughed, the admiral did not, and he answered the question.
So, yeah, this is this is not something that's going to go
away for these guys if we don't let it. But that gets me to
a different topic then, unless you had any comments on that, Well,
the other thing I was going to add to that is, it's funny how
when that news broke in twenty seventeen, the Pentagon top secret investigation and you
know, between two thousand and four and or whatever it was, and that
ended supposedly ended in twenty twelve, and lou Alesando, a friend of yours
now, has said that it probably didn't end and is continuing. You know,
those dates those years kind of stuck in my brain, and I did
a little digging and found that something that the audience doesn't know about. My
guest this week is going to be doctor John Alexander, another mutual friend of
yours and mine now, Doctor Alexander. He's a former military insider. He
had a top secret clearance and in nineteen eighty five, I think that's really
interesting. In eighty five he created a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Conference,
and it included top level government officials and scientists who were brought together to
study UFOs. And I was reading through some more stuff about them, and
it's said among their conclusions. Number one, some UFOs are real and of
unknown origin. Number two, there have been incidents involving interactions between UFOs and
military and number three, there have been interactions between UFOs and airplanes that raise
safety issues. I mean, this is heady stuff, and that goes back
to eighty five that Alexander was involved with that. So so, you know,
I think the point that I'm trying to make is there have been military
and scientific people, individuals and groups who have been studying this in one form
or another for years. This is nothing new, right, And you know
my point has been, you know all along that although the Air Force used
to give and the government gave them this impression up until recently that they had
they didn't want anything to do with UFOs. They figured it out all out
in nineteen sixty nine. There's nothing to it. They're not wasting their time
with it. That's the message they've been giving us all from sixty nine up
until December twenty seventeen, that that has never been accurate. That the entire
time. You can see this throughout the Blue Book project or all of their
projects and up until the modern days, John Alexander being and a group that
you just mentioned being an example. There have been insiders that have not come
to conclusions regarding UFOs and have been interested in UFOs a large percentage of them,
not only when it came to Blue Book, people like even Rupelt who
disagreed with, you know, the way leadership essentially handled the investigations, and
they've wanted investigations all along. So there have been UFO advocates on the inside,
and finally, you know, one of those has come back, Louelzando,
to say, hey, we did work investigating UFOs and we found credible
stuff here and people need to know about it. Yeah, exactly. So
yeah, I think, you know, you know, especially in this context,
and it is a little bit your perspective from as a journalist as well,
there are a group of people who are very critical of to the Stars,
and I certainly do not discourage anyone from being critical and putting a you
know, a skeptical eye towards any of this to make sure that everything's on
the up and up. But having said that, you know, some of
these people see people like myself or George Knab or even Brian Bender who works
for Politico, you know, would not care about any of this stuff as
being led by to the Stars, and I think that if you wrote more
about to the Stars, they'd probably put you in that group. I mean,
do you see this as these people other than my cellphone, or if
you want to include me as well, whatever, but as being led by
to the stars or just writing the news and telling the news. I think
I know you. Sorry, We're gonna have to hold that question till the
next thing because we've got to take a break right now. I just noticed
that keep talking, so this exciting answer to this question will come right after
this break. We're with Lee Spiegel. You're listening to Open Mind GFO Radio,
and we'll be right back. We are back with Lee Spiegel, and
we left you guys with a bit of a cliffhinger. I was asking Lee
his thoughts. You know, the coverage by those in the mainstream media who
are covering to the Stars, like George Knapp and Brian Bender and Leslie Kane.
Do they appear biased to you as a journalist or just people who are
covering the story. I think because of my relationship with you and my friendship
and also with George Knapp now and I appreciate what you guys have done and
or what Leslie Kane is doing. I believe that for the most part,
you're not really giving us a line of crap of the things that you talk
about or the right about. You're out there digging for information that you can
just present in an unbiased way. That's kind of what I'm trying to do
too, you know. In my premiere episode of Edge of Reality Radio a
few weeks ago, I told the listeners right at the top that no matter
what we explore on the show, and I gave them a list, whether
it's UFOs, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, strange creatures, ghosts and the
possible survival of physical death or out of body experiences, time travel, current
research into human consciousness, whatever I bring to the table in this show,
there won't be any room for ridicule of any kind. And I say to
people, open minded skepticism is always the first course of business, and that
I would open the lines, the phone lines, so the audience can communicate
with the guests and me. I want people to ask questions, offer their
opinions, and tell us their stories. Now I know, al Anjo,
I think, is it at the top of your of your Open minds UH
site on Facebook where you you lay out the rules there of you know,
we're we're not going to accept certain kinds of behavior on this website, right,
anybody in our Open Mind GFO news group we have that. Yeah.
And and just the fact that you do that, that you're laying out these
rules and regulations of if you want to participate in what we're trying to accomplish
here, then you're all welcome. But the moment you start like going off
the deep edge and start ridiculing people or making fun or doing any kind of
slander, that's not what we're about. Yeah, No, and right,
so you you don't you don't slander people. George Knapp doesn't Sclan slander people.
I don't believe Leslie Kine has. My good friend James Fox and and
you and I know other writers in the field who I could say that about.
You know, and there are out there who have these ongoing YouTube and
online websites and they're always adding things every single day. Pictures, videos,
speculation, Oh what's that thing in the distance near the Martian Rover curiosity must
be a Martian tower or you know, we see these every day and those
are the people. And I'm not naming any names because I don't have to.
It wouldn't be appropriate. I'm just saying there's a lot of stuff out
there that's being put out there by people who don't care about the truth.
They only care how many hits they get and what can they possibly sell in
their store. Yeah, exactly, And I guess before I want to talk
a lot about your show. We'll spend the rest of the time talking on
your show. But one more question, especially talking about what we're talking about
we have been talking about. I don't think it's wrong for people that are
into UFOs and the topic to root for to the stars or myself, because
I admit that I do. I as a journalist, I take my responsibility
very seriously to keep an eye for the truth and to expose and share information,
no matter how uncomfortable it is, if it's a fact, and no
matter who it is, that's our job as reporters. But there's no It's
just like NASA, you know, I root for NASA because they're doing cool
stuff in space. Would I write about improprietaries or if I came across some
kind of problem, Heck yeah I would. Because when we're criticizing them,
We're making them a better organization, especially for calling out something they're doing that's
bad. And the same goes for To the Stars. We would do that
for if it was them as well. So I don't know, I don't
What I'm saying is I don't think it's wrong for us to want to root
for Two the Stars, just like we would root for NASA, even if
we were right expose any issues with them. It's not, it's not.
Do you feel that it's a problem for us to root as journalists for To
the Stars? Well, I don't know. If that I would use the
word root, I would. I always like to kind of hold back information
about anything or anybody or any group that comes at us kind of out of
nowhere. With new information like this, I would much rather kind of sit
back and watch it evolve a little bit in the media to see what's going
on with them. And it took for me, it took several months before
I started to believe that what Tom DeLong was doing was kind of righteous.
And you know, I'm a little biased in my own right because back in
nineteen seventy eight, when I was trying to get people behind my effort to
bring UFOs to the United Nations. I faced a lot of that kind of
thing that I'm sure Tom faced in getting close to the various military and government
people that he needed in order to move this thing forward. I was in
that sense, I was rooting for him because I've been hoping for years someone
else would come along and do this, you know, because I mean,
I remember how much energy it took out of me all those years ago to
do this whole thing at the UN, and I can only imagine how it
must be even more energy depleting for Tom DeLong to have gotten as far as
he has. So at this point, I tip my hat to him,
and I think what he's doing is a great job, even just to get
as far as he's gotten, to bring people who I'd like to have on
my show, you know. And so yeah, I think it's good to
stay cautious racially when we suddenly hear about a new person or a new organization
has come out that's really going to get it to the public. I want
to make sure that I feel comfortable about it before I do any personal reporting
on it myself. And I think you probably feel the same way about it.
Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense. I just kind of wanted to
get your sense because I don't feel, and I don't think any of us
feel like we are just blindly accepting everything that you know is coming out of
two stars, right, we're looking at it being critical and sharing. But
the interesting story here is that these guys are making this sort of progress,
and this is progress, like you say, we've been looking for and you've
been looking for. And I think, you know, people may say,
what is he talking about, Like he's the only one who's done this,
But I think it's fair for you to say, because you guys took this
really far. When you took it all the way to the UN. You
were on the UN floor presenting UFO information to the general session there and that's
not happened since, and that's very important. You know. It took it
took literally, it took forty years to actually get the video of the footage
of the UN presentation. And I didn't find it. It was James Fox's
sister, Kelly. She was already mean looking. She was helping us with
a documentary and she was tasked with the work of going out there and getting
interesting archival footage of things related to UFOs that had never been seen before that
we could use in our documentary. And she went on to this one site
that was owned by CBS and she came upon a little thing in the table
of contents and all that it said was UFO Secret meeting or something like that.
And unbeknownst to me, I didn't know she found this. She opened
it up, looked at it, and sent it to James in San Francisco.
She said, I don't know if this is something you guys are interested
in, but here's some video I found on this website. He looks like
something big was going on at the United Nations. Do you want me to
see if I can get it? And apparently James looked at it and he
called me, and all that he said to me was what have you been
looking for for forty years? And I think I said, said, you
were like that sock you found my sock? Well, no, I mean,
I didn't want to say anything like I'm looking for a good wife.
Just give me a good wife. But no, I said, well,
the only thing I've been really looking for is any lead to my United Nations
presentation. And he said, we got it. I said, are you
kidding me? He said, I'm sending you a sample of her right now,
and what he sent me it blew my mind. And I only saw
part of it at that point, and we had to go through a lot
of twists and turns and somersaults to get the guys at CBS to relinquish the
high definition film footage that they had of the presentation, because it was their
attitude initially that was that will they have it so they own it? And
I thought, I don't know. That just doesn't sound right to me,
and I dug out in my archives al angel from nineteen seventy eight a letter
that was written by the country of Grenada, because Grenader was the proposal and
presentation sponsor of the presentation in seventy eight, Grenada sent me a letter.
Well, that letter that was sent to me, and it was also sent
to all members of the media in nineteen seventy eight basically said to anyone in
concern of this, the Country of Grenada hereby gives authorization to film the upcoming
UFO presentation in November of this in nineteen seventy eight. The rights are given
to mister Lee Spiegel. And that was enough said, and I took the
letter. I made a lot of copies of it. I kept it all
these years, and then I sent it to James last year up in San
Francisco, and I said, hold on to this letter in case we need
to prove this at all. But in the meantime, I got in touch
with the United Nations Public Affairs Archive Library, and I got friendly with one
of the folks there, and I said, do you have anything still in
your records there at the library of a presentation that was done. I gave
them the exact date in November nineteen seventy eight, the room where the presentation
occurred, the time of day it started, I mean, I gave them
all the details. And they got back to me about a week later and
they said, well, unfortunately, we don't always keep everything that's filmed at
the United Nations. Over the years, things have actually been deleted for various
reasons, so we can't find that one. And I said, well,
I have found the presentation, but CBS Media is claiming that they own it,
and would that be correct if it was something that was shot at the
United Nations. They did a little more investigating and got back to me and
said, actually, no, anything that's shot here at the UN on our
property. We are the copyright owners of it, and we would like to
help you, you know, retrieve this so that it's yours. I said,
I love you. What do we have to do? And they sent
me a whole bunch of forms to fill out that would basically be a form
from the UN to me and to anyone else who's out there looking at it,
saying that this UFO documentation presentation is of under the copyright of the UN
and mister Lee eas Spiegel is the only other partner in connection with this that
we are allowing who can use it, and we are charging him zero dollars
for the footage because the CBS people they were going to charge us upwards of
one hundred dollars per second. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah, and this
is like an hour and a half presentation, So do the math? Are
you kidding? Yes? So we worked it all out. I sent the
letter, and the UN sent the letter to the folks at CBS, and
so the guys at CBS called us and said, okay, you've got it.
What format do you want it in? And we hope you enjoy it
And we didn't have to pay anything for it. Yeah, that is so
exciting. And see, this is when when we're sitting on secrets, you
know, my goal is always to get those secrets out. How do we
make the situation should we can share this information? And I get excited when
we can share because this is a story I haven't shared that you guys got
this video, and I don't think you have either. I think you asked
me not to, so this might be another scoop that, yeah, you
might be right. We decided we were just going to wait and we're going
to show portions of it in the documentary because you know, we can't show
an hour and a half presentation because we only have a few minutes at the
most to use. So I've been discussing with James and we're kind of tossing
around the idea of making it maybe as like an hour and a half special
add on feature to the documentary people, which you definitely should, or provide
it some way. But I just want to kind of emphasize how important this
is and how cool this is because this footage has been lost to history up
until now, and now you all have footage of this nineteen seventy eight presentation
you give gave on UFOs where doctor j Allen Heinik was there. Jacques Valet,
you can mention so many letters. Colonel Larry Coyne, helicopter pilot where
you could have heard a pin drop at the un when he told his complete
story of almost colliding with the UFO in nineteen seventy's. Yeah, and you've
got footage of that, And does it look good in the sam good and
everything? It's great, it's great. I think I even sent you maybe
a couple of seconds of some of that footage. Yeah, it's beautiful.
The audio quality is great, and it's like nobody else has this, and
we're so proud that we've got this. It's just amazing. And it literally
took forty years before I got it. So you know, you wait,
you waited out long enough, and you put enough feelers out there and I
guess you get back what you put into it or something like that. Yeah,
very very proud to have it, that's all I can say. So
awesome. That's extremely exciting. So let's get into the news too, or
at least some of I mean, your show is what I meant. Let's
get into the news. Sure, So your show, your show, Edge
of Reality Radio with Lee Spiegel. It's on live eight pm Eastern on KGr
A Radio. And so I'm assuming you take calls. Yes, we've just
started taking the calls. They're using a new system out there in Salt Lake
City where the main studio is. And you know, it actually isn't a
new show. It's really a resurrection of a talk show I hosted over thirty
years ago, which was called, coincidentally, the Edge of Reality. I
did that on NBC Radio. That even came about because when NBC heard that
I was doing this UFO event at the un they asked me if I'd be
interested in coming on the air every night to broadcast UFO reports. How could
I say no? And that led me to being on the air with NBC
for eight years and and ending my NBC career with Edge of Reality. So
I'm so happy to be bringing Edge of Reality back now in the new format.
So that's really exciting that you have the show now and you've done what
three episodes now so far. The first one August first was my guest was
appropriately and happily, doctor Jacques Valet. And as you know, Jacques and
I have been friends for over forty years since he was one of my speakers
at the nineteen seventy eight UFO presentation, and when I asked, when I
told him that I was going to be doing a new radio show, and
would he consider coming on the first show, he said, Oh, yes,
I would love to do that. Just just give me the date and
the time and I'll be there. So happy that he did that, and
it was great, and I was thrilled to bring him on the air like
that because he doesn't do a lot of radio right now, kind of laying
low. Yeah. Yeah. And he has a reason too, because there
are a lot of people who are after him about some of the work that
he's doing now in and out of the UFO community. And he's a venture
capitalist out of Silicon Valley, so he needs to be a little careful about
what he talks about because he has his own reputation as well to maintain.
Right. So that's exciting, And you're not only covering UFOs on your show.
It appears right, Oh, that's right, you know. The let's
see in the second show. Let's see what I did in the second show.
Well, another good friend of ours, our mutual friend, Ben Hanson,
was on the first hour of the show. Ben is the leader of
a team that's been investigating a whole series of paranormal experiences on a Travel Channel
series and it's called Ghosts of Morgan City. And Ben's crew came up with
a pretty amazing apparition walking through a house and they caught it from two different
angles. That's really unique. It's a unique piece of evidence because they completely
worked around the idea that it was either a phony apparition someone else get into
the house, it was someone they didn't know, it was part of the
crew making a joke. That was all ruled out, and Ben himself was
freaked out, and so we gave a link for people who wanted to actually
see the apparition. It's quite something to look at. And what I did
was for the second hour of that show, I interviewed one of the scientific
researchers who will soon reveal what they say is something called a soul phone.
Soul phone as in an actual device that they're suggesting will begin to allow community
locations between living persons and the dearly departed. Now that's amazing. Come on,
that's that's amazing. What can I say? Ohen He says he's gonna
like this is something that he's going to be releasing. Yeah. In fact,
the lead researcher is a scientist with impeccable credentials as doctor Gary Schwartz.
He's with the University of Arizona. You may even know this man from your
roots in Arizona. They've been doing laboratory experiments there and coming up with amazing
pieces of evidence that can somehow prove that there was other energy involved in a
controlled laboratory situation. But this soul phone thing is going to take it to
another level and they will release that information in the fall, when doctor Schwartz's
a new book is going to come out about it and he's going to come
on the edge of reality. But in the meantime, I had his partner,
doctor Mark Pittstick, talking about this and a thing called the Soul Phone
Foundation, where they're beginning to let people know that it's entirely possible and how
amazing this would be for all people on the planet if it could be proven
that there is life after death. Yeah. I used to know a guy
in Colorado who was working on the same sort of thing. He had a
bunch of interesting stories. I forgot what they called it, the using technology
to talk to to the past. They had a term for it. But
yeah, I knew a guy who worked on that sort of thing. And
are you talking about the thing called EVP it's electronic voice phenomena. Oh okay,
Now there was something else, trans something I can't remember the name of
it, but where they were building like soul phones, kind of like you're
talking about. Oh yeah, I've said for years that, in my opinion,
there are two questions topics that all humans, at some point in their
lives, anywhere where they live, all humans wonder about the answers to one
of two questions. One question is are we alone in the universe and all
what all that means? And have we been visited? Are we being visited?
There's a big question. And the other question is what happens at the
point of death? Do we survive death? I can't think of any other
topics Alejando that people wonder about more in the scheme of things, you know,
m yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now, so how
do you feel about this technology? You think that it's legit or you're probably
more like me. Well, it's like my attitude is like it was with
Tom DeLong and to the stars. I know who these researchers are. I
interviewed doctor Gary Schwarz about nine years ago for one of my Huffington Post stories
when he was doing this the early research. And he is a legitimate scientist.
He has impeccable credentials. And so I'm holding off my feelings about this
until the next interview, and it's not even the next interview. I would
like to be somewhere where they may have a strong signal or a strong connection
somewhere to get some voice communication. I mean, who wouldn't who wouldn't want
to be there? And if something like this, this is like, this
is like the whole ball of wax. Like it's like it's like if a
UFO literally landed on the White House lawn and we all know about it.
That's that's it. That's the end of the game. We are now welcome
into the Galactic Federation. Yeah, it's very interesting, and I am like
you, I'm like, you know, hey, these guys are legit,
So if anybody's going to do it, it's going to be someone along these
lines. But still, it's such an incredible claim that you know, we
have to see I guess, absolutely incredible and then last week I had on
a man who I hadn't interviewed in almost ten years and one of the very
first books I ever bought when I started looking into UFOs way back in nineteen
seventy three, a book I bought called The Bible and Flying Saucers and I
just ate that book up. I thought the premise of the book was amazing,
and not only because it was just another author, but the author the
Reverend doctor Barry Downing, a retired Presbyterian minister who earned his PhD at the
University of Edinburgh in Scotland. Again impeccable credentials. We're talking here, and
he's listed in Who's Who in theology. It's like when you get people like
this who are brave enough to put some ideas down of what they think based
on research they've done over many years. I'm one of those who wants to
hear about their research. Yeah, you know, I'm not going to just
you know, listen to anybody else who I've never heard of before. And
doctor Downing gave me such a good interview last thursday. I was amazed at
all the things that he was saying, and he had very little support,
not only from friends, but from members of the church who knew what he
was doing and knew about the book he was going to put out. Now
that was like fifty years ago. That's the kind of anniversary he just celebrated
for that book. Really, people did not want to support him or his
ideas. And we only had one caller that night. And during one of
the commercial breaks, I said to Reverend Downing, I said, you know,
I'm a little surprised we're not getting very many callers, because I would
have thought this topic would have opened up all kinds of people out there.
And he said, well, don't be surprised. It's been my experience that
a lot of people in and out of the church are very reluctant and very
uncomfortable to talk about the possibility that a lot of events in the Old and
the New Testaments had something to do with UFOs. People don't want to talk
about that. Yeah. Wow, pretty wild topic. Yeah, And so
so far, I'm the shows have been great. And as I said before,
I've got Doctor Alexander coming on and we're going to talk about things that
This man is a world global adventurer. He's been to every continent in almost
every country, and he has seen things and been privy to things in places
like villages, hidden villages in the Amazon jungle who allowed he and his wife
to go there and witness amazing almost magical spiritual rituals that other white people or
people from outside of the villagers were allowed to see, and they were allowed
to film these things. I mean, he's seen has nothing to do with
UFOs, but wow, has his eyes seen many things out there, and
we're going to talk about that, not just UFOs. That's exciting. So
your show now that we're pretty much out of time, of course, your
website is Leasbegle dot com, but your show can be heard on KGr A.
People can go to KGr Aradio dot com and look at the and find
you in the show's listings there. But Edge of Reality is the show,
and congratulations on getting that rolling. So that's probably been pretty fun for you.
It is. It's fun. I had forgotten how long it takes to
prepare a two hour show. Yeah, but no, I'm into it.
I'm pacing myself and once I'm right at the top of the hour and I
know that the microphone is on and I can start talking, I can totally
relax at that point because I feel like, wow, here we are again,
thirty years later, and how much fun is this? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, exactly, so cool. Well, thank you so much for
coming on the show again. It's always good to get an update from you
in what you're up to, and of course I wanted to share with everybody
that you got this great new show now. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Alejandro. Congratulations to you and the upcoming UFO Congress. I know you're
you're hot and heavy, deep and thick of the middle of it all right
now, getting ready for it exactly. So I've got to get back to
working on that right now. In fact, Karen came in and was like,
oh, we got something else to do, so there's always something with
that thing. Congratulators, see you and to Karen for pulling this off.
I congratulate you both. Thank you so much, and thank you so much
for being on the show. And well, hopefully it won't be too long
till we have you back. I know it sounds great. Thanks ale Handra.
Thank you so much to Lisepiegel for joining us once again. He's always
a lot of fun and wealth of information. You can check his website out
at Leaspiegel dot com, or you can also go to KGr A and look
for Edge of Reality, or you could google any of those things and it'll
take you right to him. But definitely check out his new show. It's
really good stuff, and you're gonna need a replacement because brace yourselves. I'm
not going to have a show for the next couple of weeks, next few
weeks because it's that time of year. It's the International UFO Congress, and
as many of you know, I'm usually too busy with the conference to do
podcasts for the couple weeks before, So you're just gonna have to hold tight,
or go ahead and go to Ufocongress dot com, get your tickets,
and come join us at the Congress. It's that easy. If you're Jones
and for hanging out with me talking UFOs or hearing me talk UFOs, then
just come to the Congress. It's that easy. So Ufocongress dot com,
so be sure to go there, get your tickets or come. It's going
to be a ton of fun and a lot of what we talked about on
the show was the Phenomenon documentary. I don't even know if we talked about
how that's the title of James Fox is in Lispiegel's documentary The Phenomenon. So
if you want to hear more about that, of course, we're going to
have James Fox at the conference talking about it, giving some sneak peeks and
giving us all the latest and greatest on that. So otherwise, I'll probably
have some articles and comments out on social media still, so you can follow
me on my Patreon or my social media and we'll still have some conversation going
on there. The conversation never ends, and I feel like I'm pretty sure
there's going to be new revelations coming every moment. In fact, I know
right now you can go to my Twitter and see some late breaking news.
Lots of cool stuff going on. Anyway, thank you very much to Lisepiegel
for joining us. Thank you to Martin Willis of podcast UFO for joining us
at the beginning of the show. With the news. Remember you can go
to Openminds dot tv and see all that news right on the front page.
And you know, actually, if you go to the dropdown for the articles,
you'll find UFO news headlines, and there are a bunch of headlines there
that go back for a long time. It's a great research tool to see
all the headlines going back for years, so go check that out at Openminds
dot tv. Otherwise, that is it for this show. Thank you to
Caleb Hey, thanks for the opening and close music. Thank you to Systematics
for the bumper music. And remember be sure to join us at the UFO
Congress. So once again UFO Congress dot com to see everything going on there.
Until next time, Audio's mood Chuchos and you mus