WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:45.200 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, 2 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:52.799 and my name is Alejandro t Rojas sue Erginius, and I have with me 3 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:58.560 my good buddy Martin Willis, who joins us with UFO News, and he 4 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:04.959 is also a super genius. Wow, so it's no so you can call 5 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:10.319 me Martin super Genius Willis. Yeah. Maybe, oh I did, Yeah, 6 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.480 I did. Wow. That goes on your business card. You remember, 7 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:15.719 I'm referring to the young guys. Aren't gonna remember the old guys like 8 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.959 us will Bugs Bunny because that used to be on television all the time. 9 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.439 Now they the kids don't get to see Bugs Bunny and it's terrible. It's 10 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.920 where most of my comedic stuff comes from. Maybe it's good then they'll think 11 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:34.959 it's original. But yeah, that was one of while E Coyote super Genius. 12 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:44.280 Hmmm. I like the sound of that, Wile E Coyote super Now 13 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.319 we're doing the whole skit, but it's a good skit, funny stuff. 14 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:51.000 And he created that business card, Wiley Coyote super Genius. Good stuff, 15 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:56.599 good stuff, right. I grew up in that era too, and yeah, 16 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:01.000 it was like Saturday Morning m cartoons and then I guess they were on 17 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.280 like every day. Yeah, they were on every day, and boy I 18 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.719 was there watching that Bugs Bunny one funny dude. Yeah, that's right, 19 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:15.479 So let us get into it. So what we're here for, actually, 20 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:21.000 people is UFOs. So just so you're aware of what our show is all 21 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:25.280 about, we look at it from a journalistic perspective. So we look at 22 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.000 the news and the information out there, we share it with you, hopefully 23 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.879 in an unbiased manner. If we're speculating or sharing our opinions, we'll let 24 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:37.759 you know that. But you know, we're kind of looking at a more 25 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:43.360 skeptical, kind of hard look at everything. And if the interview starts at 26 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.560 twenty five minutes after, so if you want to skip over to the interview, 27 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.520 you can, but you're going to miss a lot of the latest and 28 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.759 greatest news. However, the interview is really good. Today we've got Lee 29 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:59.000 Spiegel, formerly of the Huffington Post. Now he's got a new radio show 30 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:05.800 called Edge of Reality on kg r A radio. Uh this state this plays 31 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:09.280 on That Martin show plays on kg r A and elsewhere as well. But 32 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:15.400 uh so we talked to Lee about his new project. There the other project 33 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.840 he's been working on is his documentary with James Fox. Of course we had 34 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.919 him on last time talking about that, but uh, we talked a little 35 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:29.439 bit about that because that is finally coming to Fruition and the at the UFO 36 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:35.000 Congress. James Fox, the main documentary producer, filmmaker there, is going 37 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.879 to be talking about this film. So finally, you know, Lee's been 38 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.400 the guy leaking out some information here and there, but finally we're going to 39 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:49.199 hear from the man himself, James Fox, about his new exciting film at 40 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:54.280 the International UFO Congress. I can't wait. I can't wait to make to 41 00:03:54.360 --> 00:04:00.240 meet James. Yeah, so and and people don't know this, but you 42 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.400 have a very important job at the UFO Congress. I know you are very 43 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:08.080 afraid to do it, but it's kind of you know, it's like the 44 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.520 director job who's doing the news. You've got to push all the buttons and 45 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:18.279 click all the clicky things and you know, coordinate everything that's going on up 46 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.639 there on the stage. I'm starting to get anxiety. No, don't do 47 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.720 that. You did a great job. You had fun. In fact, 48 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.639 I couldn't get you off of it. I did, I did. I 49 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.040 want to keep doing it and we're like, well, no, you know 50 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:35.519 your time's up, and you're like, no, I just looked through it 51 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.639 to tutorial the other day and I go, did I really do this? 52 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:45.199 Hophil to come back? I mean we both use that. What is OMD 53 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.639 or whatever for? Oh? Yes, yeah, it's way less complicated than 54 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:54.519 that, I think. Probably getting back to Lee, Uh, what a 55 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.720 great show he is running. I'm glad you're talking to him today. I 56 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.639 help a lot of people go check that out. It's really I've listened to 57 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.560 all three of them that he's had so far, and they've been very, 58 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.160 very well done, professional and very enjoyable. Hmmm. I'm sure he's going 59 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.040 to love to hear that. Well, it's true. He's been doing it 60 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.600 for a long time, so it's a lot of fun. Yeah. I 61 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.959 think it was the late seventies, Yeah, something like that. Amazing, 62 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:26.600 Yeah, amazing. He tells a story and I'll tell this because we didn't 63 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.839 get into it and I should have asked him about it, which is kind 64 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.680 of funny. When he said he wanted to do a UFO radio show, 65 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:35.879 they said fine, But and this is in New York City, the Big 66 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.959 City, the Big Apple but if you're going to do this, you have 67 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.720 to stand out on the street. I think they told him to do this 68 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:51.160 weekly in an alien costume to promote the show. And this alien costume was 69 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:55.560 created by Saturday Night Live. And I'm pretty sure he's got a picture of 70 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.959 it on his website. Oh my god, he never told me that part. 71 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:03.800 Yeah, he talks at his lecture. Lecture, that's very humbling. 72 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:08.120 Yeah, if I would to move forward with that if I was him, 73 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.399 Yeah, he did it, so thank goodness. I guess you got info 74 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:18.240 out there what you got to do sometimes, huh? I guess. All 75 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.759 right. So let's go ahead and get into the ufon news. Martin and 76 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.959 I cover you know, the latest ufone news before we get into the show 77 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.360 the interview, and so go ahead and start us off. What bit of 78 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.759 news that you find on the front page of Open Minds, that TV or 79 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:40.240 elsewhere that you would like to discuss. Well, I'd like to talk. 80 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.480 There's so much news out there about the storm area, fifty one of them. 81 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:49.480 And so Lincoln County plans an emergency declaration ahead of it, which I 82 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:53.519 think, I mean, I don't blame them, And I'll get into that, 83 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:59.639 you know, in the story. So this is basically through Las Vegas 84 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:04.279 News Channel three and Lincoln County officials are moving forward with the plans to sign 85 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:10.600 an emergency declaration ahead of storm Area fifty one event scheduled for next month. 86 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.439 The county's Board of Commissioners met Monday mornings to discuss a pre signing for the 87 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:24.199 declaration and in anticipation of the September event, which is expected to draw as 88 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.439 many as thirty thousand people. Now i've heard personally, I've heard people's throw 89 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.839 out all kinds of numbers, you know, maybe fifty thousand. I don't 90 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:36.399 know's it might be one of those things where people will show up because it's 91 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:41.319 just curiosity wondering who else is going to show up and how big it's going 92 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.519 to be. I think they'll be, you know, I think it's possibly 93 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:49.879 a lot larger. And the reason that they're having this emergency declaration or they 94 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:58.240 want to declare that is because of the area there is. We've talked about 95 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:05.240 this to you and I have before. There's no lodging there and the closest 96 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.600 town is rachel and I believe there's isn't there like one hundred people there or 97 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:15.959 something is so small, such a small town, so there's such a lack 98 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:22.560 of resources including gas and lodging and of course food and you know there's an 99 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.040 inn there, but it's completely booked of course, So I think people have 100 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:31.600 to it's such a harsh environment. I mean, you know, the temperatures 101 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.240 even that time of year can still get really hot, and you know, 102 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.879 there is just people really have to be very very careful. And I totally 103 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:45.840 get the reason why they are declaring this. It's turned into now it's a 104 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:52.799 three day music and arts festival and it's called alien Stock. Like there's more 105 00:08:52.879 --> 00:09:00.480 than one. There's one called peace Stock, and the organizers got a hold 106 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.879 of me for that one, and that is the guy who got a hold 107 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.399 of me also does Coachella, So I think that's what that was all about. 108 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.840 Peace Stock fifty one, I think they're calling it. So, you 109 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.840 know, I think it's a coastelic people. Coachella people decided because Coachelle is 110 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.559 not that far so they've got experience putting on events. But you know they 111 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.639 want to do yeah, this big same thing, you know, kind of 112 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.440 a Woodstock Coachella thing. In fact, they have a bunch of pictures if 113 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.879 you go. Look. Oh, and they've put up some more bands, 114 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.879 so they've got some more actions. I was just going to ask you if 115 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.519 you you know, I saw there's a few confirmed bands, but no, 116 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.720 they said there's going to be some real headliners. But I'm not seeing the 117 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.200 information. I don't see it. That at the peace Stock fifty one they 118 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.799 have you know, it looks like a picture of Kendall Jenner or a girl 119 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.480 that looks like her with a bunch of people, and you know, same 120 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.480 Coachelle. I'm sure it's a Coachella picture, scantily clad people and stuff like 121 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:09.000 that. And then the artists they have are I don't know any of these 122 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:15.200 names, so you artists and indie artists, I don't know. So anyway, 123 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:22.000 Yeah, the issue has been some of these are at the at the 124 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.200 Little Alien which is in Rachel Rachel, Nevada. The town has up on 125 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.120 their town site. Don't come here. This is bad. These guys are 126 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.960 not prepared. These guys are bad. The city doesn't want this. They're 127 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.039 going to be armed and protecting their their land, the citizens of the city. 128 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.159 It even says, but it does say go ahead and go to the 129 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.480 Alien Research Center. So the Alien Research Center is having an event. It 130 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.080 may be so, I guess part of it is the safety. Are safety 131 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:56.919 concerns being met and there are people reviewing that. And as far away is 132 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.120 the has that center away from there, it's it's pretty close. Oh okay, 133 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:09.879 it's right there. It's the tall one. In fact, when when 134 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.240 Travis and I went, we're on the area fifty win with the Kardashians. 135 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.600 We had to we went there with them also, so that was near it's 136 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.320 you know, one of the stops. Let's see, it's near Crystal Springs, 137 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.960 So it's kind of that three seventy five highway. Rachel is about on 138 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.320 the north side of that, and at the end, at kind of the 139 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.279 crossroads, that's where the Alien Research Center is. It looks like only you 140 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:45.360 know, five or no, maybe ten miles away, Alejandro, This just 141 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:50.679 occurred to me. Do they Does someone actually have permission to hold an event 142 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.919 on a certain whissel of property? Yeah, well, some of these people 143 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.320 own the property. Little Alien has property they own, The Alien Research Center 144 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.360 has property they own, and yes, they have allowed people to work on 145 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:09.320 this property. The Alien Research Center, by the way, I might be 146 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.799 I might be speaking there for this thing. But the person I'm working with 147 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.360 is working on making sure that they have you know, they're vetting them, 148 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.919 making sure they're they're legit, they've got all the safety concerns figured out, 149 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.360 and you know, we don't want to be a part of anything that's that's 150 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:37.440 like some of these others, it's kind of shaky. But anyway, the 151 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.240 permits, I guess there were some sort of permits they had to get. 152 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.679 And that's why this news that you're sharing is kind of weird because the latest 153 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.840 I heard was that, you know, the town was saying and the town 154 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.279 said they do not have their permits, but it sounds like from what I 155 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.039 heard, the permits were granted. But at the same time, the city 156 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:03.519 is saying, you know, we are going to declare this emergency. So 157 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:11.279 but one of the an emergency declaration will also give them more funds, and 158 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.559 that could be the big thing that they need is just more money allowing to 159 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:22.559 you know, dip into another budget beside their own, and so that could 160 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.919 be the back of the ground of this. It's probably to hire some more 161 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.240 security and maybe even some of the things that you mentioned, like making sure 162 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.519 there's water and safety and all of these things. That are supposed to happen. 163 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:39.360 Yeah. Wow, And it's not going to be too long that, 164 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.399 you know, just it's just like a month from today. I know, 165 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:50.440 it's not very far away. So it's pretty wild wharphs into it's already morphed 166 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:56.039 already. We'll see what else changes by then. So and I don't know, 167 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.399 like, you know, where those of if we're going to be speaking 168 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.679 out there, I don't know where we'd be staying or anything. But I 169 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.399 do have a friend who said he wants to runt an RV, so I 170 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.840 could crack on the floor of his RV or something. Yeah, that seems 171 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.240 like the only thing that really makes any sense to bring there some type of 172 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.320 RV or Yeah. So I don't know, we'll see. I mean, 173 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.039 there's not a lot of time for the organizers to kind of figure stuff out. 174 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.240 And this alien stock one that you're mentioning has gotten more press than this 175 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.440 peace stock fifty one from the Coachella people, and so, but they're all 176 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.120 right there, So I think everybody's going to be aware of everything going on, 177 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.559 because you know, it's all right there. So we'll see, yeah, 178 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.279 and then what else. And there was some other news regarding this, 179 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.360 you know, our good buddy MJ wrote a story about how the whole thing's 180 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.360 going to be a mess, and of course he referenced mostly alien stock and 181 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:58.440 some of this what I mentioned about the city. But here's another funny story. 182 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:05.519 The only band and booked to play Storm Area fifty one has an interview 183 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:13.120 here on why they might believe in UFOs. They're not so sure, but 184 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:20.720 maybe. And that's a band I have actually never heard of myself, but 185 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.960 shame on me, I probably should have. Oh, I know what, 186 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.600 you haven't heard of this band? What is the name of the band? 187 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:37.840 I forget I'm going to take a look at those So you take a look 188 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.639 at the band and then let us know when you figure that out, because 189 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.559 I don't know either, to be honest, But anyway, Yeah, there's 190 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.399 a story on that, and of course you can find these all on the 191 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:52.440 front page of Open Minds dot tv. And then let's see a couple other 192 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.720 things going on. Oh, I wrote this story, and this was something 193 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.279 I think I've talked about before. I don't remember. Brian Bender from Politico 194 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:07.000 was at the Aspen Security Forum. And it's funny because some people will say, 195 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.919 oh, you know, Bender's taking the lead from to the Stars on 196 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.159 writing his stories, as if he's in the pocket of to the Stars or 197 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.440 something like that. I talked to Bender on a regular basis. He lives 198 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.120 out here. Not true at all. Of course, I had him on 199 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:23.879 my show. You know, he does important stuff like going to the security 200 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:29.519 forums, and he's hanging out with you know, Assistant Secretary of Defense for 201 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.799 this and Secretary of that, and you know, all of these lawmakers, 202 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:41.000 all of these very very high falutin people. So you know, he's conversing 203 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.799 people. He has no concern about the UFO crowd. But of course he 204 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.799 thinks some of this is an interesting story, because it is, and so 205 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.840 that's why he covers this stuff. But interesting enough, he was sitting in 206 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:56.960 one of the forums and someone was brave enough to ask one of the admirals 207 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:02.159 about UFOs, and you can tell the guy was kind of nervous because his 208 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.720 question didn't even fully get out here, just kind of like, uh, 209 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:11.319 yeah, uh, the Navy and UFOs and uh and so you know, 210 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.240 and then people kind of laughed, which was disappointing. Uh So I wrote 211 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.359 an article about this. In fact, Tyler Rogaway, who's a Defense writer. 212 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:19.559 He's like, well, it was in that crowd. It's probably a 213 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.319 lot of defense journalists and they laughed. It's disgusting. He called it disgusting 214 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.799 that they laughed. Uh, because Tyler, these are his colleagues, Tyler 215 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:32.559 Rogua away he wrote for The Drive. And Uh, anyway, I posted 216 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:37.000 this story on the Roswell Daily Record but also on my blog Allejandro t Rojas 217 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.519 dot com. But yeah, so nice to be a column columnist at the 218 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:47.079 Roswelt Daily Record. Some great people over there. But yeah, I wrote 219 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.240 about this and then and so the the guy's reply was more interesting than what 220 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.039 it seems. He said, Uh that essentially, here's how Bender put it 221 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:03.279 that Admiral Phil Davidson responds that there is now a reporting process for these unexplained 222 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.240 sightings and says the encounters were during a finite period. So that's an interesting 223 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:12.160 quote. The fact that they, yeah, finite, the fact that the 224 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:19.160 Navy has new reporting processes, something that Brian Bender himself broke as a news 225 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.880 story. He was one with that scoop. But so it's interesting this admiral 226 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.680 knows about that, although you know, he's in the Navy, so that's 227 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:32.000 not as surprising. But the finite period thing, it's something that is interesting. 228 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:37.000 I asked Bender, what did he think that meant? And because my 229 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:40.279 point was, you know, the sightings, the two big ones that we 230 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.559 know about that we know they are briefed on. It's because of the you 231 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.960 know, the television show Unidentified is why we know they were briefed. And 232 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.559 of course this is due to the work of To the Stars and luel Azando. 233 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.200 But those cases occurred in two thousand and four and then twy fourteen, 234 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.799 in twenty fifteen, that's not really finite. That's a large period of time. 235 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.920 But what Bender's saying is that he thinks what they're saying is that these 236 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:11.599 periods of times where they were citing we were like two thousand and four or 237 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:17.079 twenty fourteen to fifteen, they were during a finite period of time here and 238 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.920 there. I further wrote then about what Tyler Rogoway has been writing about, 239 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.480 because Tyler Roganway has been making a point that he agrees that it is a 240 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:32.960 finite period of time and in certain places all around the United States. And 241 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.240 furthermore that in both of these cases, they there was a new radar technology 242 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:42.119 that was being deployed, so he's putting together these facts to say, you 243 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:48.240 know, okay, brand new radar technology. These all happened near the United 244 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.920 States, off the coast, and you know, during a finite period of 245 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:59.119 time. He's saying, those ingredients point to human technology somebody you know, 246 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:06.119 me with them, and it's some sort of top secret technology that's very exotic. 247 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:12.160 However, he's saying that's just one possibility, because there's also the issue 248 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:18.759 that these technologies, of course, are far superior than other technologies we're aware 249 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:26.440 of. In fact, one of his quotes is that he makes the point 250 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:33.759 that we have to with the reporting of these encounters, now realize that technology 251 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:38.720 exists that is capable of performing flying maneuvers that shatter our perceptions of propulsion, 252 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:44.880 flight controls, material science, and even physics. That's his quote. So 253 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.680 it doesn't answer all the questions, especially the harder questions, but to him 254 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:55.240 it answers more. And what I find interesting is if the Admiral is saying 255 00:20:55.319 --> 00:21:00.759 this something similar to what Roguaway has pointed out, maybe the investigation is also 256 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:07.319 similar to Roguaways in that they are looking for and they see evidence that perhaps 257 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:12.799 this is human technology. So I don't know, we have zero insight into 258 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:22.079 the Navy's any Navy investigation into UFOs. I mean, certainly we now know 259 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.880 because this is the other story actually I wrote is on my blog. I'll 260 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:27.880 get into this real quick. And I don't know if you've seen this. 261 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:34.200 Some new emails were released this week regarding how those Navy UFO videos were released, 262 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.359 and you know, there's some spin in everything, but I looked at 263 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.279 those emails and I wrote up a summary to kind of clarify things for people, 264 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.160 and it really again shows what Alexondo was saying, but even more, 265 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.559 it adds a little bit more. So it shows Alexondo having a conversation between 266 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.839 you know, the the adopts or people, the people in charge of releasing 267 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:03.599 stuff. Aleixando submitted it the DD nineteen ten to get the videos released, 268 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.160 and in this conversation they say something like, well, if you uh, 269 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.079 from what I understand, you can just get rid of the metadata and then 270 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:15.319 they're unclassified and you can go ahead and publicly release them all you want. 271 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:21.279 And it was Lou who went back and said, well, I'm not looking 272 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:25.119 for If this makes it easier for you than a public general public release, 273 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.160 is fine. I'm cool with that, but I was looking for more of 274 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.920 a controlled release. So Elizondo's saying I didn't want to release it to the 275 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:34.599 general public. I was just going to release it, release it to some 276 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:41.799 you know, industry partners and some others. But what they did was stamp 277 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:49.640 this thing cleared open for publication. And as I point out in my article, 278 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:55.279 if you go look at the instruction booklip for the Doopster UH for the 279 00:22:55.359 --> 00:23:00.039 DT nineteen ten, it says if it's cleared open for publication, that means 280 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:04.960 despite what anybody else's input, and it says this. The verbiage practically says 281 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:10.680 this, I'm paraphrasing, but it says, then it's clear for general public 282 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:15.359 release. So those videos were cleared, like I thought, for a general 283 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.240 public release. Now I got kind of criticized for suggesting that, but now 284 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:23.440 this proves that. So it proves that they were the ones on the DoD 285 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:29.920 side that were cool with the general public release. So even though some people 286 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.720 with the Public Affairs Department made it sound like, oh, you know, 287 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.599 they released it more than they should have. Well lose the one who came 288 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.599 up with a restriction, so really and they told him you can release it 289 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.640 to whoever you want. So he really was able to release him to whoever 290 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.279 he wanted, and that's what those emails really show. So they're kind of 291 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.079 interesting, but it does show the Navy was involved with at least releasing them. 292 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.799 Interesting. I know we're out of time, but I just wanted to 293 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.680 tell you that rock band is a rock trio called Willie or Wiley Savage. 294 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.279 Wiley Savage. I haven't heard of them, have you? Oh yeah, 295 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:08.599 sure, yeah, no, I have no idea Wiley So rockin' to Wiley 296 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:14.680 in area fifty one. That's right. So all right, well, thank 297 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:18.960 you very much for sharing all that news. Yes, you're very welcome, 298 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.839 and I can't wait to hear Lee's interview with you. Yes, it's always 299 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.640 great to have you on. It's always great to have Leon and so we 300 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.200 will get to that right after the break. But thank you Martin for joining 301 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:33.559 us. Of course you could check out Martinette podcast UFO. Otherwise, let's 302 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.359 go ahead and after this break we will be back with Lee Spiegel. You're 303 00:24:37.400 --> 00:25:17.599 listening to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am happy to welcome back to the 304 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.720 show a dude who I feel hasn't been on the show in a while. 305 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.720 Although he might complain about that, he's been happily. Probably by far, 306 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.680 the guest I've had the most on the show, and that is the esteemed 307 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.759 Lee Spiegel. Hello, mister Spiegel. Oh, thank you, Alehanjo. 308 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.119 I don't know do I prefer the word esteemed or dude? I have to 309 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.920 think about that. How about esteemed dude? Esteemed dude? Is that true 310 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.759 that I've been on more than anyone else? Wow, I'm sure you have 311 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:55.400 because we do the yearly special. Yes, I have you periodically just to 312 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.920 talk about, you know, different cases and different UFO stuff. Yeah. 313 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.599 So if I went and counted by far, well besides Martin, but he's 314 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.200 on every one, of course. Well, I do appreciate that. Is 315 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:12.240 there is there like a prize? Yeah for that distinction. Yes, that 316 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:18.680 you get the title of esteemed dude, esteemed UFO dude. That's going to 317 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.880 look so good on a T shirt. I'll tell you, Yeah, that 318 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.839 will. That'll be fun. So you have been Okay, last time we 319 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:33.799 talked to you, you actually made some statements that were pretty controversial at least 320 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.440 even maybe even got you in a little bit of trouble. I don't know, 321 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.359 But because you were on we were talking about what. Oh I think 322 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.519 it was the year en. It couldn't have been that long ago. Oh 323 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:48.920 yeah, yeah it was, because I remember that show in January. At 324 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.559 one point you asked me, Lee, what do you think is going to 325 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.640 be the biggest story of twenty nineteen. Yeah, so I just automatically started 326 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:03.359 talking about your funem materials and fragments and you know, who's doing what and 327 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.960 what could it possibly mean? And we were talking about it and people out 328 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.319 there who were either listening to the show or listen to a rebroadcast of it, 329 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:18.119 And like Ufo Joe, for example, who is a colleague of yours, 330 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:23.079 and he likes to listen to programs of interviews and then go back and 331 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:27.039 listen to the transcripts and he likes to transcribe them and put them on his 332 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:33.079 site his blog and make whatever his own comments are. And apparently he did 333 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:38.039 that based on the conversation that I had with you and Martin about meta materials. 334 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:45.720 And it didn't get me into any trouble with the scientists who James Fox 335 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.240 and I interviewed on camera exclusively about the work that they're doing. I didn't 336 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:56.960 mention any names or where we did the interview basically, which was in a 337 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:03.000 very secret laboratory, and the amazing things that we saw at this location. 338 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.200 I was very careful not to mention those kinds of details. And at the 339 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.680 end of UFO Joe's analysis of that, he said something like, well, 340 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.400 Spiegl didn't mention any of the specifics, but if I was going to bet, 341 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.200 he's probably talking about blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Okay. 342 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:29.279 And so when I then sent that blog to producer James Fox, he got 343 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.240 really upset because he said, how could you let this information out? And 344 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.240 I said, excuse me, James, if you go back and read this 345 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.720 guy's article, I didn't let any information out, be very specific before you 346 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.480 jump on me. I was very careful. And then he calmed right down 347 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.079 and said, yeah, okay, we're good, We're fine. Yeah. 348 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.680 He was just shock here. He didn't realize, and I think a lot 349 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.720 of people don't realize. You know, how much information is out there if 350 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.720 you dig. And of course people like Joe are really good at doing that 351 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.839 digging and what's so great about him, But and just so people are aware, 352 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.960 I mean, that piece of information was just that that you, and 353 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.359 you know, correct me if I'm wrong. Part in this documentary you will 354 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:17.160 be covering some cases where they're going to be looking at anomaloust materials, which 355 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.519 I kind of like that phrases meta materials has become popular, but it's so 356 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.920 technical of a term, I think we have to be careful not to misuse 357 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.720 it. So and really what we're looking at is anomalous materials, but anyway, 358 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:37.799 anomalous anomaloust materials being analyzed by credible labs that are not related to the 359 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:44.000 stars that are going to be part of your film. That's right, And 360 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.119 and I may have said this on the original interview we did, but what 361 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:56.039 James and I were allowed to film was an actual the actual technology that is 362 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:03.759 going to help to confess certain things about some of these fragments that come from 363 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:08.000 around the world that scientists have been able to get their hands on. Uh. 364 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.640 And and based on the stories and the origins of these materials, we 365 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:18.519 we don't yet know how much of this stuff comes from either real stories or 366 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:23.119 comes from things that are easily explained, for example. Then what they're what 367 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:29.880 they're looking to analyze in the with the technology they've developed, is how to 368 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:37.599 determine if any of these fragments were a either naturally formed here on Earth or 369 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:45.960 were they manufactured by someone off the Earth, and if they were manufactured, 370 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:52.440 what was the purpose of the manufacturing. And these scientists are being very careful 371 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:57.039 not to even use the words extraterrestrial ets UFO like that. They're just saying, 372 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.279 we're just doing what we're doing as science. We have this material, 373 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:07.400 we're using this contraption, this technology to really analyze this material, and once 374 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.880 we get our information, we're going to give it to science. We're not 375 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.759 going to hoard it for ourselves. We're going to release it so that other 376 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.480 scientists everywhere who don't have the same technology that we're using, so that all 377 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:26.200 these people can then take it and make their own conclusions, do their own 378 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.240 experiments. We're all we're doing is the initial work and then saying here, 379 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.799 now you folks take it. We don't want it anymore. I mean, 380 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.160 you know, they want to keep it nice and simple without making any crazy 381 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:42.039 assumptions or speculations. It's like, here's what we've discovered. Now it's your 382 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:47.599 turn. And that's what's exciting because that's exactly the way it should be done. 383 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.079 That's the right way to do it. I think that you know, 384 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.839 I know who you're working with, and because I've been I've got to help 385 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.279 with the production a little bit of this, and so I am privy to 386 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.319 this knowledge. But the point is that they are people who are doing it 387 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:10.279 right, and they have been very tight lipped and careful about what they've said 388 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:16.079 publicly. And I think, and you personally, you know who these scientists 389 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:21.920 are, so you can confirm when I say they're legitimate, they are legitimate. 390 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:28.880 Yeah, these are legit dudes. Yeah, exactly. But to the 391 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.839 stars we've seen you know, there have been comments made occasionally, and I 392 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:39.160 understand how it's hard, because you get people get so excited, but I 393 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:44.160 think it's wiser just not to say anything because sometimes when you throw stuff out 394 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:49.519 there, people get excited and make assumptions. So and that's probably why James 395 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.960 didn't want information out either, But yeah, because that can happen. But 396 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.200 yeah, it's so exciting that we're at this point right now to have have 397 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.200 these two different projects looking into this sort of thing. And I don't even 398 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.519 know if it's just these two. I'm assuming that there are other big places 399 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.680 around the world that are doing this kind of work because it's work. You 400 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.160 know, It's not just scientists here in the United States. There are scientists 401 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.279 in many countries that would love to get their fingers onto this stuff. Now 402 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.680 that now that now that it's no longer taboo to even talk about this stuff, 403 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:32.880 and you know this, our audience and some of the audiences of our 404 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:38.359 some of our few select friends are very lucky because they have us to ferret 405 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:43.920 this information out to share with them. I hope that that's true, because 406 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.839 it's really important, you know, to make sure that the audience or the 407 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.720 people the public in general get their information from good places. Every time I 408 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.519 do a presentation somewhere, one of the first things that I say to people 409 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:04.160 is, please don't get all of your UFO information just from watching ancient aliens. 410 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.639 Please. You know, there are many places where you can go to, 411 00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:14.800 and I hopefully I'll steer you into different directions where you can continue beyond 412 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.199 what I'm saying to you all here. You can go do your own research, 413 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.559 do some legwork so that tomorrow around the water cooler you'll be able to 414 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:31.159 say something that will make great interesting water cooler conversation. Right right exactly, 415 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.400 and I guess when it comes to the film. Now we know the name 416 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.400 of the film. Now it's called The Phenomenon, and we didn't know that 417 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:45.400 before early on years ago and its first incarnation, it was going to be 418 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.440 called the seven oh one, representing the seven hundred alleged you know, there's 419 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.719 different numbers actually, but the seven hundred and one because this was said at 420 00:34:52.719 --> 00:35:00.519 one point unexplained cases from Project Bluebook. But out of this film, such 421 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.440 as this material, about what percentage of that. Most documentaries are kind of 422 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.760 a rehash of stuff that's already been out there. But most of what you 423 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.079 all are working on, and I think it's fair to say is new. 424 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.079 Yes, a lot of the stuff is new. And in fact, you 425 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:27.360 and your audience at next month's International UFO Congress in Phoenix, you're going to 426 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.840 get a nice little preview because James Fox is one of your speakers, and 427 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:38.480 he specifically he agreed to do that because he wants to talk about the documentary. 428 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.880 He hasn't really done that very much at all, But now we're getting 429 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.880 so close to finishing it and having it be released to the public by the 430 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.000 end of this year. He's now ready and I think the UFO Congress will 431 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.320 be the first place he's going to where he may even show some visuals about 432 00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.239 it on stage, and he will talk about some of the amazing people that 433 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:07.079 we've interviewed for the project, including Nevada Senator Harry Reid, former White House 434 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.239 Chief of Staff John Podesta, doctor Jacques Vallet, who was my first two 435 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.199 hour guest on Edge of Reality Radio just a few weeks ago. And we 436 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:25.920 also will have several government and military officials in the film talking about the phenomenon 437 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.559 like never before. It's going to open up people's minds to the fact that, 438 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:37.280 Wow, we're looking at something that's really serious. I think in recent 439 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:45.480 weeks and months because of shows like Unidentified on the History Channel that just had 440 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.599 its first sixth episode arc. I saw all six episodes. I know you 441 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.039 did. I, except for a couple of things that I wasn't crazy about. 442 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:58.559 I liked what they did. I liked a lot of the information that 443 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:04.320 started to come out being very serious. They had people that were forthcoming in 444 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:09.320 and out of politics and the military, and that's what people like you and 445 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.679 me and other writers have been clamoring for to be able to give to the 446 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.880 public. Here's here's another jet fighter pilot, here's another scientist, here's another 447 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:27.480 politician. The story that you jumped on of Congressman Mark Walker from from North 448 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.199 Carolina, that's a story I'm interested in too. And you know, here's 449 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:37.679 a guy who just sent a letter to the United States Navy Secretary basically saying 450 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:42.800 to him, you know, all these pilots, these navy pilots, we've 451 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.880 been hearing about it over the last few months, we've had UMFO encounters. 452 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:50.639 What's up with that? And and is the investigation ongoing? What can we 453 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.920 expect? Will anything more be released? And this is the congressman who's basically 454 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.920 saying, I want this I want this information now, as I understand it. 455 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.960 Al Anjo didn't, didn't he. I think he wrote the letter at 456 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:07.679 the end of July and or just like around July nineteenth or thereabouts, Yes, 457 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.159 right, because then he went on to talk to Tucker Calson on Fox 458 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.840 on the twenty ninth. So this letter has been out there since almost exactly 459 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.280 a month ago. And I don't know unless you've heard anything different, and 460 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.920 I haven't. I've been looking. Has there been any response to that letter 461 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:31.760 to the Secretary of the Navy right, there has not, and that is 462 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.360 very interesting. I think that's a great point that you brought up, that 463 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:40.360 there's not. And I love this letter because it's so well written. I 464 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:47.719 mean, whoever did that obviously did their homework, because that letter hit on. 465 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.559 I think if I were if they would have called me up and said, 466 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.440 hey, we're writing this letter, what would you advise we put in 467 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.639 this letter? I don't think it would be much different in the way that 468 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.920 they put it together. A couple of things that they gain exactly clear. 469 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:07.239 But because they even called out, hey, if this advanced Aerospace thread identification 470 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:14.760 program existed in the past, and you're saying you closed that program, that 471 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.760 means that ever since you closed that program, you haven't been investigating these UFO 472 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.480 cases that you say are so important. Why not you should be doing that. 473 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.719 So it's kind of calling them out. Of course, lou says the 474 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:34.679 program does exist, So that's essentially causing them to say whether or not the 475 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.519 program still exists, and they would have to admit it now. I again, 476 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.559 luckily I get to see some stuff others don't. I've seen paperwork. 477 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:47.159 I know this group exists still, or at least I know things continued, 478 00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.400 and so that information will come out eventually. I'm sure it will, just 479 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.880 like you know, more and more information comes out as time goes along about 480 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.559 the background of the program. So that's great that he called him out on 481 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.480 that to see what they say. Now, Unfortunately it's addressed to the Secretary 482 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:12.320 of the Navy, who didn't have anything to do with a tip. But 483 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.800 we'll see if there's a response. You would think they would have to have 484 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.800 some kind of response, well, you know, And of course it's all 485 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.559 part and parcel that this comes on the heels of all that news about how 486 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:29.840 the Navy opened their mouths and said, we're about to change the policy reporting 487 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:34.719 guidelines of all Navy personnel who encountered UFOs, were changing our policies. Now, 488 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.719 they didn't have to make that information public. They could have just not 489 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.119 done that, you know, but they opened up a little can of worms 490 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.639 just by letting us know, Oh, now the Navy's changing their policies. 491 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.159 Gene, you wonder why, you know, they could have just kept quiet 492 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.199 and gone on to other regular Navy business. I would like to ask you 493 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:59.880 about this because you've been doing this for so long, and you know, 494 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.960 the Navy is kind of funny they make this statement, Okay, we take 495 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.800 UFO seriously. We've got new reporting guidelines. You know, we don't mess 496 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.280 around when it comes to UFOs. Yeah, which is great for them to 497 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:15.199 say, But they've never they've been one organization that has not shared practically anything 498 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.000 about UFOs in the past, and now they're kind of pretending like, oh 499 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.920 no, we're in the foreground. We're in the forefront of releasing information. 500 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.599 It's kind of funny. Well, you know what I like about this is 501 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:35.880 that ever since December of twenty seventeen, when our friend Leslie Kane and two 502 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.920 other folks from the New York Times wrote this now famous New York Times story 503 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.519 about the Pentagon top secret UFO study, ever since that that kind of opened 504 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.000 up and made it all a little bit of a game changer about UFOs. 505 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:57.000 Nowhere in all of this it's been mayvy jet fighter pilots, maybe that USS 506 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.800 this carrier, USS NI MIT's carrier. But nowhere has the Air Force come 507 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:07.000 out with any statements like that. It's like, ever since, ever since 508 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:14.519 nineteen sixty nine when the Air Force closed Project Blue Book and said there's nothing 509 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.800 here to see anymore, there's nothing here of any scientific evidence. We're not 510 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:23.280 being visited by anyone. There's no evidence of extraordinary technology. Please everybody go 511 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.880 home. Been there, done that, And ever since then we haven't heard 512 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.920 a peep from the Air Force, except for over the years when it kept 513 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.800 coming up in the news and the Air Force had to keep coming up with 514 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.400 new explanations of what happened at Roswell and you know again, and it was 515 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.639 during all that time that the Navy wasn't saying anything. It was here's the 516 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.199 Air Force just denying. They were denying and denying it. And now all 517 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.440 of a sudden, as you say, here's the Navy coming out with this 518 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:59.639 information, but where's the Air Force? Because the Air Force realizes they must 519 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:06.639 they must realize that everything that they wrote in their conclusions in nineteen sixty nine 520 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.320 about them not being interested about anything to do with UFOs, well that was 521 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.199 obviously a lie. And what can they say now about it when we now 522 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:21.880 know it was a lie because there has been investigation about UFOs since then. 523 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.000 You know what I mean? Yes, I think you're exactly correct. And 524 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:29.079 that's what's interesting is that, no doubt, their strategy has been to keep 525 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.079 quiet and hope that this all blows over. But I don't think that it 526 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.000 is. I think that's the beauty and this is why, you know, 527 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.239 people should be enthusiastic about too that Stars doing the work they do and keep 528 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:45.119 putting pressure on these organizations so they can't just let it go, because if 529 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:52.280 they continue to influence lawmakers like Walker to ask questions, then you know, 530 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.800 they can't remain silent and they're going to have to be forced into to making 531 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.119 some comments. And you know, certainly from what I understand, you know, 532 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.679 to the Stars is not going to let up on any pressure. I 533 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:12.679 think that the Phenomenon documentary that you all put together will help and that you 534 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.039 know, at some point, all these guys are going to have to start 535 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:20.599 making comments. They're getting asked these questions in these important forums like the Aspen 536 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.719 Security Forum in Colorado. You know, Brian Bender wrote about how her tweeted 537 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.480 and I wrote a story about it recently. How you know, one of 538 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.199 the admirals was asked about UFOs there and even though the most of the people 539 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:36.599 in the room laughed, the admiral did not, and he answered the question. 540 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.239 So, yeah, this is this is not something that's going to go 541 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.639 away for these guys if we don't let it. But that gets me to 542 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.360 a different topic then, unless you had any comments on that, Well, 543 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.960 the other thing I was going to add to that is, it's funny how 544 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:58.000 when that news broke in twenty seventeen, the Pentagon top secret investigation and you 545 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.159 know, between two thousand and four and or whatever it was, and that 546 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:07.599 ended supposedly ended in twenty twelve, and lou Alesando, a friend of yours 547 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.559 now, has said that it probably didn't end and is continuing. You know, 548 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.880 those dates those years kind of stuck in my brain, and I did 549 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:23.679 a little digging and found that something that the audience doesn't know about. My 550 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:31.119 guest this week is going to be doctor John Alexander, another mutual friend of 551 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:37.079 yours and mine now, Doctor Alexander. He's a former military insider. He 552 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.960 had a top secret clearance and in nineteen eighty five, I think that's really 553 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:50.719 interesting. In eighty five he created a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Conference, 554 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:57.320 and it included top level government officials and scientists who were brought together to 555 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.079 study UFOs. And I was reading through some more stuff about them, and 556 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:07.320 it's said among their conclusions. Number one, some UFOs are real and of 557 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:15.960 unknown origin. Number two, there have been incidents involving interactions between UFOs and 558 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:24.360 military and number three, there have been interactions between UFOs and airplanes that raise 559 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:29.400 safety issues. I mean, this is heady stuff, and that goes back 560 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:34.679 to eighty five that Alexander was involved with that. So so, you know, 561 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.400 I think the point that I'm trying to make is there have been military 562 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.480 and scientific people, individuals and groups who have been studying this in one form 563 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.880 or another for years. This is nothing new, right, And you know 564 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:58.400 my point has been, you know all along that although the Air Force used 565 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.920 to give and the government gave them this impression up until recently that they had 566 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:06.400 they didn't want anything to do with UFOs. They figured it out all out 567 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.559 in nineteen sixty nine. There's nothing to it. They're not wasting their time 568 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:13.679 with it. That's the message they've been giving us all from sixty nine up 569 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:20.320 until December twenty seventeen, that that has never been accurate. That the entire 570 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.320 time. You can see this throughout the Blue Book project or all of their 571 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:29.639 projects and up until the modern days, John Alexander being and a group that 572 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:35.239 you just mentioned being an example. There have been insiders that have not come 573 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:40.079 to conclusions regarding UFOs and have been interested in UFOs a large percentage of them, 574 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.880 not only when it came to Blue Book, people like even Rupelt who 575 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:50.480 disagreed with, you know, the way leadership essentially handled the investigations, and 576 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:57.679 they've wanted investigations all along. So there have been UFO advocates on the inside, 577 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.000 and finally, you know, one of those has come back, Louelzando, 578 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.360 to say, hey, we did work investigating UFOs and we found credible 579 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.960 stuff here and people need to know about it. Yeah, exactly. So 580 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:15.159 yeah, I think, you know, you know, especially in this context, 581 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:21.320 and it is a little bit your perspective from as a journalist as well, 582 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.599 there are a group of people who are very critical of to the Stars, 583 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:30.719 and I certainly do not discourage anyone from being critical and putting a you 584 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.519 know, a skeptical eye towards any of this to make sure that everything's on 585 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.920 the up and up. But having said that, you know, some of 586 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:46.320 these people see people like myself or George Knab or even Brian Bender who works 587 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.760 for Politico, you know, would not care about any of this stuff as 588 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.280 being led by to the Stars, and I think that if you wrote more 589 00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.679 about to the Stars, they'd probably put you in that group. I mean, 590 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.320 do you see this as these people other than my cellphone, or if 591 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.920 you want to include me as well, whatever, but as being led by 592 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:14.840 to the stars or just writing the news and telling the news. I think 593 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.960 I know you. Sorry, We're gonna have to hold that question till the 594 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.079 next thing because we've got to take a break right now. I just noticed 595 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:28.800 that keep talking, so this exciting answer to this question will come right after 596 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.199 this break. We're with Lee Spiegel. You're listening to Open Mind GFO Radio, 597 00:49:31.239 --> 00:50:12.039 and we'll be right back. We are back with Lee Spiegel, and 598 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.719 we left you guys with a bit of a cliffhinger. I was asking Lee 599 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.559 his thoughts. You know, the coverage by those in the mainstream media who 600 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.440 are covering to the Stars, like George Knapp and Brian Bender and Leslie Kane. 601 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.639 Do they appear biased to you as a journalist or just people who are 602 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:36.559 covering the story. I think because of my relationship with you and my friendship 603 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:44.400 and also with George Knapp now and I appreciate what you guys have done and 604 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.760 or what Leslie Kane is doing. I believe that for the most part, 605 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:53.000 you're not really giving us a line of crap of the things that you talk 606 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:59.760 about or the right about. You're out there digging for information that you can 607 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:05.639 just present in an unbiased way. That's kind of what I'm trying to do 608 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:12.039 too, you know. In my premiere episode of Edge of Reality Radio a 609 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.719 few weeks ago, I told the listeners right at the top that no matter 610 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.880 what we explore on the show, and I gave them a list, whether 611 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.719 it's UFOs, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, strange creatures, ghosts and the 612 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.440 possible survival of physical death or out of body experiences, time travel, current 613 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:37.840 research into human consciousness, whatever I bring to the table in this show, 614 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:44.280 there won't be any room for ridicule of any kind. And I say to 615 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.159 people, open minded skepticism is always the first course of business, and that 616 00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.360 I would open the lines, the phone lines, so the audience can communicate 617 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.719 with the guests and me. I want people to ask questions, offer their 618 00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.039 opinions, and tell us their stories. Now I know, al Anjo, 619 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:05.760 I think, is it at the top of your of your Open minds UH 620 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:10.079 site on Facebook where you you lay out the rules there of you know, 621 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:15.960 we're we're not going to accept certain kinds of behavior on this website, right, 622 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:20.400 anybody in our Open Mind GFO news group we have that. Yeah. 623 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.559 And and just the fact that you do that, that you're laying out these 624 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:29.559 rules and regulations of if you want to participate in what we're trying to accomplish 625 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.519 here, then you're all welcome. But the moment you start like going off 626 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:37.400 the deep edge and start ridiculing people or making fun or doing any kind of 627 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:42.440 slander, that's not what we're about. Yeah, No, and right, 628 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.159 so you you don't you don't slander people. George Knapp doesn't Sclan slander people. 629 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:52.679 I don't believe Leslie Kine has. My good friend James Fox and and 630 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.880 you and I know other writers in the field who I could say that about. 631 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:05.199 You know, and there are out there who have these ongoing YouTube and 632 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:12.840 online websites and they're always adding things every single day. Pictures, videos, 633 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.039 speculation, Oh what's that thing in the distance near the Martian Rover curiosity must 634 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:24.000 be a Martian tower or you know, we see these every day and those 635 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:28.880 are the people. And I'm not naming any names because I don't have to. 636 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.480 It wouldn't be appropriate. I'm just saying there's a lot of stuff out 637 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.000 there that's being put out there by people who don't care about the truth. 638 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:43.599 They only care how many hits they get and what can they possibly sell in 639 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.679 their store. Yeah, exactly, And I guess before I want to talk 640 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:51.159 a lot about your show. We'll spend the rest of the time talking on 641 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.000 your show. But one more question, especially talking about what we're talking about 642 00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:01.360 we have been talking about. I don't think it's wrong for people that are 643 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:08.159 into UFOs and the topic to root for to the stars or myself, because 644 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:15.159 I admit that I do. I as a journalist, I take my responsibility 645 00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:21.920 very seriously to keep an eye for the truth and to expose and share information, 646 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.480 no matter how uncomfortable it is, if it's a fact, and no 647 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:31.000 matter who it is, that's our job as reporters. But there's no It's 648 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:36.320 just like NASA, you know, I root for NASA because they're doing cool 649 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.719 stuff in space. Would I write about improprietaries or if I came across some 650 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:45.119 kind of problem, Heck yeah I would. Because when we're criticizing them, 651 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.719 We're making them a better organization, especially for calling out something they're doing that's 652 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.519 bad. And the same goes for To the Stars. We would do that 653 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.320 for if it was them as well. So I don't know, I don't 654 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.960 What I'm saying is I don't think it's wrong for us to want to root 655 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.440 for Two the Stars, just like we would root for NASA, even if 656 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:07.159 we were right expose any issues with them. It's not, it's not. 657 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.000 Do you feel that it's a problem for us to root as journalists for To 658 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:13.599 the Stars? Well, I don't know. If that I would use the 659 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.760 word root, I would. I always like to kind of hold back information 660 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:22.239 about anything or anybody or any group that comes at us kind of out of 661 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.800 nowhere. With new information like this, I would much rather kind of sit 662 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:30.199 back and watch it evolve a little bit in the media to see what's going 663 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:36.239 on with them. And it took for me, it took several months before 664 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:43.280 I started to believe that what Tom DeLong was doing was kind of righteous. 665 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:50.320 And you know, I'm a little biased in my own right because back in 666 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.199 nineteen seventy eight, when I was trying to get people behind my effort to 667 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:59.920 bring UFOs to the United Nations. I faced a lot of that kind of 668 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:05.320 thing that I'm sure Tom faced in getting close to the various military and government 669 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.320 people that he needed in order to move this thing forward. I was in 670 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:15.000 that sense, I was rooting for him because I've been hoping for years someone 671 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.920 else would come along and do this, you know, because I mean, 672 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:24.079 I remember how much energy it took out of me all those years ago to 673 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:29.360 do this whole thing at the UN, and I can only imagine how it 674 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:35.360 must be even more energy depleting for Tom DeLong to have gotten as far as 675 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.239 he has. So at this point, I tip my hat to him, 676 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.480 and I think what he's doing is a great job, even just to get 677 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.519 as far as he's gotten, to bring people who I'd like to have on 678 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:51.840 my show, you know. And so yeah, I think it's good to 679 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.960 stay cautious racially when we suddenly hear about a new person or a new organization 680 00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.320 has come out that's really going to get it to the public. I want 681 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.840 to make sure that I feel comfortable about it before I do any personal reporting 682 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.199 on it myself. And I think you probably feel the same way about it. 683 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.840 Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense. I just kind of wanted to 684 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.000 get your sense because I don't feel, and I don't think any of us 685 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:21.719 feel like we are just blindly accepting everything that you know is coming out of 686 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.000 two stars, right, we're looking at it being critical and sharing. But 687 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:30.679 the interesting story here is that these guys are making this sort of progress, 688 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:35.199 and this is progress, like you say, we've been looking for and you've 689 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.519 been looking for. And I think, you know, people may say, 690 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.760 what is he talking about, Like he's the only one who's done this, 691 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.599 But I think it's fair for you to say, because you guys took this 692 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:45.840 really far. When you took it all the way to the UN. You 693 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:52.960 were on the UN floor presenting UFO information to the general session there and that's 694 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:59.159 not happened since, and that's very important. You know. It took it 695 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:07.679 took literally, it took forty years to actually get the video of the footage 696 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:12.800 of the UN presentation. And I didn't find it. It was James Fox's 697 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:17.400 sister, Kelly. She was already mean looking. She was helping us with 698 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:23.320 a documentary and she was tasked with the work of going out there and getting 699 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:30.519 interesting archival footage of things related to UFOs that had never been seen before that 700 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.239 we could use in our documentary. And she went on to this one site 701 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:39.440 that was owned by CBS and she came upon a little thing in the table 702 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:45.280 of contents and all that it said was UFO Secret meeting or something like that. 703 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.320 And unbeknownst to me, I didn't know she found this. She opened 704 00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:57.599 it up, looked at it, and sent it to James in San Francisco. 705 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.400 She said, I don't know if this is something you guys are interested 706 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.519 in, but here's some video I found on this website. He looks like 707 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:08.239 something big was going on at the United Nations. Do you want me to 708 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:13.360 see if I can get it? And apparently James looked at it and he 709 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.760 called me, and all that he said to me was what have you been 710 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:22.639 looking for for forty years? And I think I said, said, you 711 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:27.159 were like that sock you found my sock? Well, no, I mean, 712 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.400 I didn't want to say anything like I'm looking for a good wife. 713 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.480 Just give me a good wife. But no, I said, well, 714 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:39.679 the only thing I've been really looking for is any lead to my United Nations 715 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.800 presentation. And he said, we got it. I said, are you 716 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.679 kidding me? He said, I'm sending you a sample of her right now, 717 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:53.400 and what he sent me it blew my mind. And I only saw 718 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:59.400 part of it at that point, and we had to go through a lot 719 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:07.760 of twists and turns and somersaults to get the guys at CBS to relinquish the 720 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:14.079 high definition film footage that they had of the presentation, because it was their 721 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:17.480 attitude initially that was that will they have it so they own it? And 722 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:21.199 I thought, I don't know. That just doesn't sound right to me, 723 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:27.039 and I dug out in my archives al angel from nineteen seventy eight a letter 724 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:34.440 that was written by the country of Grenada, because Grenader was the proposal and 725 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:40.960 presentation sponsor of the presentation in seventy eight, Grenada sent me a letter. 726 01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.000 Well, that letter that was sent to me, and it was also sent 727 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:50.199 to all members of the media in nineteen seventy eight basically said to anyone in 728 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:57.360 concern of this, the Country of Grenada hereby gives authorization to film the upcoming 729 01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.400 UFO presentation in November of this in nineteen seventy eight. The rights are given 730 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:06.519 to mister Lee Spiegel. And that was enough said, and I took the 731 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.159 letter. I made a lot of copies of it. I kept it all 732 01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:13.199 these years, and then I sent it to James last year up in San 733 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.719 Francisco, and I said, hold on to this letter in case we need 734 01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:21.679 to prove this at all. But in the meantime, I got in touch 735 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:28.719 with the United Nations Public Affairs Archive Library, and I got friendly with one 736 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:31.400 of the folks there, and I said, do you have anything still in 737 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:37.559 your records there at the library of a presentation that was done. I gave 738 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.880 them the exact date in November nineteen seventy eight, the room where the presentation 739 01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.000 occurred, the time of day it started, I mean, I gave them 740 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.920 all the details. And they got back to me about a week later and 741 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:55.719 they said, well, unfortunately, we don't always keep everything that's filmed at 742 01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:00.599 the United Nations. Over the years, things have actually been deleted for various 743 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:06.880 reasons, so we can't find that one. And I said, well, 744 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:15.039 I have found the presentation, but CBS Media is claiming that they own it, 745 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.719 and would that be correct if it was something that was shot at the 746 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:22.079 United Nations. They did a little more investigating and got back to me and 747 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:27.400 said, actually, no, anything that's shot here at the UN on our 748 01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:31.480 property. We are the copyright owners of it, and we would like to 749 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:37.159 help you, you know, retrieve this so that it's yours. I said, 750 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.199 I love you. What do we have to do? And they sent 751 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.840 me a whole bunch of forms to fill out that would basically be a form 752 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.480 from the UN to me and to anyone else who's out there looking at it, 753 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:58.320 saying that this UFO documentation presentation is of under the copyright of the UN 754 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:04.440 and mister Lee eas Spiegel is the only other partner in connection with this that 755 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:08.719 we are allowing who can use it, and we are charging him zero dollars 756 01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:14.559 for the footage because the CBS people they were going to charge us upwards of 757 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:19.679 one hundred dollars per second. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah, and this 758 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.280 is like an hour and a half presentation, So do the math? Are 759 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:28.119 you kidding? Yes? So we worked it all out. I sent the 760 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:32.400 letter, and the UN sent the letter to the folks at CBS, and 761 01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:37.639 so the guys at CBS called us and said, okay, you've got it. 762 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:39.320 What format do you want it in? And we hope you enjoy it 763 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:43.880 And we didn't have to pay anything for it. Yeah, that is so 764 01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:49.639 exciting. And see, this is when when we're sitting on secrets, you 765 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.960 know, my goal is always to get those secrets out. How do we 766 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:58.000 make the situation should we can share this information? And I get excited when 767 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.320 we can share because this is a story I haven't shared that you guys got 768 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.239 this video, and I don't think you have either. I think you asked 769 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:11.000 me not to, so this might be another scoop that, yeah, you 770 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.679 might be right. We decided we were just going to wait and we're going 771 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.800 to show portions of it in the documentary because you know, we can't show 772 01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:23.480 an hour and a half presentation because we only have a few minutes at the 773 01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:27.679 most to use. So I've been discussing with James and we're kind of tossing 774 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.800 around the idea of making it maybe as like an hour and a half special 775 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:36.480 add on feature to the documentary people, which you definitely should, or provide 776 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:41.760 it some way. But I just want to kind of emphasize how important this 777 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:45.199 is and how cool this is because this footage has been lost to history up 778 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:50.559 until now, and now you all have footage of this nineteen seventy eight presentation 779 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:56.639 you give gave on UFOs where doctor j Allen Heinik was there. Jacques Valet, 780 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:02.239 you can mention so many letters. Colonel Larry Coyne, helicopter pilot where 781 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:06.719 you could have heard a pin drop at the un when he told his complete 782 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:13.679 story of almost colliding with the UFO in nineteen seventy's. Yeah, and you've 783 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.119 got footage of that, And does it look good in the sam good and 784 01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:19.719 everything? It's great, it's great. I think I even sent you maybe 785 01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:24.199 a couple of seconds of some of that footage. Yeah, it's beautiful. 786 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:29.239 The audio quality is great, and it's like nobody else has this, and 787 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.639 we're so proud that we've got this. It's just amazing. And it literally 788 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:38.239 took forty years before I got it. So you know, you wait, 789 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:43.440 you waited out long enough, and you put enough feelers out there and I 790 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.880 guess you get back what you put into it or something like that. Yeah, 791 01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.880 very very proud to have it, that's all I can say. So 792 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:56.280 awesome. That's extremely exciting. So let's get into the news too, or 793 01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:00.480 at least some of I mean, your show is what I meant. Let's 794 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.880 get into the news. Sure, So your show, your show, Edge 795 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:11.960 of Reality Radio with Lee Spiegel. It's on live eight pm Eastern on KGr 796 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.400 A Radio. And so I'm assuming you take calls. Yes, we've just 797 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.920 started taking the calls. They're using a new system out there in Salt Lake 798 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:27.760 City where the main studio is. And you know, it actually isn't a 799 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.199 new show. It's really a resurrection of a talk show I hosted over thirty 800 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:36.639 years ago, which was called, coincidentally, the Edge of Reality. I 801 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:44.199 did that on NBC Radio. That even came about because when NBC heard that 802 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:47.400 I was doing this UFO event at the un they asked me if I'd be 803 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:51.840 interested in coming on the air every night to broadcast UFO reports. How could 804 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:58.039 I say no? And that led me to being on the air with NBC 805 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:02.000 for eight years and and ending my NBC career with Edge of Reality. So 806 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:06.559 I'm so happy to be bringing Edge of Reality back now in the new format. 807 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:12.920 So that's really exciting that you have the show now and you've done what 808 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:18.440 three episodes now so far. The first one August first was my guest was 809 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:25.679 appropriately and happily, doctor Jacques Valet. And as you know, Jacques and 810 01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:30.000 I have been friends for over forty years since he was one of my speakers 811 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.239 at the nineteen seventy eight UFO presentation, and when I asked, when I 812 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.280 told him that I was going to be doing a new radio show, and 813 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:41.119 would he consider coming on the first show, he said, Oh, yes, 814 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.519 I would love to do that. Just just give me the date and 815 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.559 the time and I'll be there. So happy that he did that, and 816 01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:51.480 it was great, and I was thrilled to bring him on the air like 817 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:57.320 that because he doesn't do a lot of radio right now, kind of laying 818 01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.679 low. Yeah. Yeah. And he has a reason too, because there 819 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.719 are a lot of people who are after him about some of the work that 820 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:11.119 he's doing now in and out of the UFO community. And he's a venture 821 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:15.359 capitalist out of Silicon Valley, so he needs to be a little careful about 822 01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:20.159 what he talks about because he has his own reputation as well to maintain. 823 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:26.520 Right. So that's exciting, And you're not only covering UFOs on your show. 824 01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:30.159 It appears right, Oh, that's right, you know. The let's 825 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.920 see in the second show. Let's see what I did in the second show. 826 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:40.560 Well, another good friend of ours, our mutual friend, Ben Hanson, 827 01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.600 was on the first hour of the show. Ben is the leader of 828 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:50.960 a team that's been investigating a whole series of paranormal experiences on a Travel Channel 829 01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:58.680 series and it's called Ghosts of Morgan City. And Ben's crew came up with 830 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:04.279 a pretty amazing apparition walking through a house and they caught it from two different 831 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:12.119 angles. That's really unique. It's a unique piece of evidence because they completely 832 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:17.239 worked around the idea that it was either a phony apparition someone else get into 833 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.119 the house, it was someone they didn't know, it was part of the 834 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:27.039 crew making a joke. That was all ruled out, and Ben himself was 835 01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:31.880 freaked out, and so we gave a link for people who wanted to actually 836 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:36.279 see the apparition. It's quite something to look at. And what I did 837 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:42.880 was for the second hour of that show, I interviewed one of the scientific 838 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:49.159 researchers who will soon reveal what they say is something called a soul phone. 839 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:59.960 Soul phone as in an actual device that they're suggesting will begin to allow community 840 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:04.760 locations between living persons and the dearly departed. Now that's amazing. Come on, 841 01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:10.880 that's that's amazing. What can I say? Ohen He says he's gonna 842 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.039 like this is something that he's going to be releasing. Yeah. In fact, 843 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:20.840 the lead researcher is a scientist with impeccable credentials as doctor Gary Schwartz. 844 01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:26.479 He's with the University of Arizona. You may even know this man from your 845 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:32.479 roots in Arizona. They've been doing laboratory experiments there and coming up with amazing 846 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:41.000 pieces of evidence that can somehow prove that there was other energy involved in a 847 01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.800 controlled laboratory situation. But this soul phone thing is going to take it to 848 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:53.520 another level and they will release that information in the fall, when doctor Schwartz's 849 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.920 a new book is going to come out about it and he's going to come 850 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:59.960 on the edge of reality. But in the meantime, I had his partner, 851 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:04.439 doctor Mark Pittstick, talking about this and a thing called the Soul Phone 852 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:12.319 Foundation, where they're beginning to let people know that it's entirely possible and how 853 01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:15.600 amazing this would be for all people on the planet if it could be proven 854 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:19.479 that there is life after death. Yeah. I used to know a guy 855 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:25.039 in Colorado who was working on the same sort of thing. He had a 856 01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:30.600 bunch of interesting stories. I forgot what they called it, the using technology 857 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:34.319 to talk to to the past. They had a term for it. But 858 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:38.720 yeah, I knew a guy who worked on that sort of thing. And 859 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:45.279 are you talking about the thing called EVP it's electronic voice phenomena. Oh okay, 860 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.319 Now there was something else, trans something I can't remember the name of 861 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:51.000 it, but where they were building like soul phones, kind of like you're 862 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:57.600 talking about. Oh yeah, I've said for years that, in my opinion, 863 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:03.880 there are two questions topics that all humans, at some point in their 864 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:10.560 lives, anywhere where they live, all humans wonder about the answers to one 865 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:15.000 of two questions. One question is are we alone in the universe and all 866 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:17.560 what all that means? And have we been visited? Are we being visited? 867 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:21.319 There's a big question. And the other question is what happens at the 868 01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:26.600 point of death? Do we survive death? I can't think of any other 869 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:31.960 topics Alejando that people wonder about more in the scheme of things, you know, 870 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:36.239 m yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now, so how 871 01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:42.840 do you feel about this technology? You think that it's legit or you're probably 872 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:47.119 more like me. Well, it's like my attitude is like it was with 873 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:51.720 Tom DeLong and to the stars. I know who these researchers are. I 874 01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:58.279 interviewed doctor Gary Schwarz about nine years ago for one of my Huffington Post stories 875 01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:03.000 when he was doing this the early research. And he is a legitimate scientist. 876 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:12.239 He has impeccable credentials. And so I'm holding off my feelings about this 877 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:16.079 until the next interview, and it's not even the next interview. I would 878 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:21.000 like to be somewhere where they may have a strong signal or a strong connection 879 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:26.720 somewhere to get some voice communication. I mean, who wouldn't who wouldn't want 880 01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:30.119 to be there? And if something like this, this is like, this 881 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.800 is like the whole ball of wax. Like it's like it's like if a 882 01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:38.600 UFO literally landed on the White House lawn and we all know about it. 883 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.920 That's that's it. That's the end of the game. We are now welcome 884 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:46.359 into the Galactic Federation. Yeah, it's very interesting, and I am like 885 01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:48.800 you, I'm like, you know, hey, these guys are legit, 886 01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:54.600 So if anybody's going to do it, it's going to be someone along these 887 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:58.720 lines. But still, it's such an incredible claim that you know, we 888 01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:04.439 have to see I guess, absolutely incredible and then last week I had on 889 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:11.119 a man who I hadn't interviewed in almost ten years and one of the very 890 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:16.600 first books I ever bought when I started looking into UFOs way back in nineteen 891 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:24.560 seventy three, a book I bought called The Bible and Flying Saucers and I 892 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.680 just ate that book up. I thought the premise of the book was amazing, 893 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.479 and not only because it was just another author, but the author the 894 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:42.640 Reverend doctor Barry Downing, a retired Presbyterian minister who earned his PhD at the 895 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:47.359 University of Edinburgh in Scotland. Again impeccable credentials. We're talking here, and 896 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:55.279 he's listed in Who's Who in theology. It's like when you get people like 897 01:14:55.319 --> 01:15:00.520 this who are brave enough to put some ideas down of what they think based 898 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:06.520 on research they've done over many years. I'm one of those who wants to 899 01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:10.560 hear about their research. Yeah, you know, I'm not going to just 900 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.279 you know, listen to anybody else who I've never heard of before. And 901 01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:21.159 doctor Downing gave me such a good interview last thursday. I was amazed at 902 01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:26.920 all the things that he was saying, and he had very little support, 903 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:31.560 not only from friends, but from members of the church who knew what he 904 01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:35.479 was doing and knew about the book he was going to put out. Now 905 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:43.680 that was like fifty years ago. That's the kind of anniversary he just celebrated 906 01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:48.279 for that book. Really, people did not want to support him or his 907 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:55.960 ideas. And we only had one caller that night. And during one of 908 01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.600 the commercial breaks, I said to Reverend Downing, I said, you know, 909 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.359 I'm a little surprised we're not getting very many callers, because I would 910 01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:08.359 have thought this topic would have opened up all kinds of people out there. 911 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:11.840 And he said, well, don't be surprised. It's been my experience that 912 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:16.680 a lot of people in and out of the church are very reluctant and very 913 01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:24.159 uncomfortable to talk about the possibility that a lot of events in the Old and 914 01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:29.000 the New Testaments had something to do with UFOs. People don't want to talk 915 01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:35.279 about that. Yeah. Wow, pretty wild topic. Yeah, And so 916 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:40.039 so far, I'm the shows have been great. And as I said before, 917 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:45.119 I've got Doctor Alexander coming on and we're going to talk about things that 918 01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:49.399 This man is a world global adventurer. He's been to every continent in almost 919 01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:56.239 every country, and he has seen things and been privy to things in places 920 01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:02.119 like villages, hidden villages in the Amazon jungle who allowed he and his wife 921 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:10.760 to go there and witness amazing almost magical spiritual rituals that other white people or 922 01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:14.640 people from outside of the villagers were allowed to see, and they were allowed 923 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.359 to film these things. I mean, he's seen has nothing to do with 924 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:24.079 UFOs, but wow, has his eyes seen many things out there, and 925 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.720 we're going to talk about that, not just UFOs. That's exciting. So 926 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.840 your show now that we're pretty much out of time, of course, your 927 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:36.159 website is Leasbegle dot com, but your show can be heard on KGr A. 928 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:44.359 People can go to KGr Aradio dot com and look at the and find 929 01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:48.880 you in the show's listings there. But Edge of Reality is the show, 930 01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:54.520 and congratulations on getting that rolling. So that's probably been pretty fun for you. 931 01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.239 It is. It's fun. I had forgotten how long it takes to 932 01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.159 prepare a two hour show. Yeah, but no, I'm into it. 933 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.920 I'm pacing myself and once I'm right at the top of the hour and I 934 01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:10.760 know that the microphone is on and I can start talking, I can totally 935 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:14.319 relax at that point because I feel like, wow, here we are again, 936 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.680 thirty years later, and how much fun is this? Yeah, yeah, 937 01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:20.399 yeah, exactly, so cool. Well, thank you so much for 938 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:24.920 coming on the show again. It's always good to get an update from you 939 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.000 in what you're up to, and of course I wanted to share with everybody 940 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.319 that you got this great new show now. Thank you. I appreciate it. 941 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:36.119 Alejandro. Congratulations to you and the upcoming UFO Congress. I know you're 942 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:40.960 you're hot and heavy, deep and thick of the middle of it all right 943 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.760 now, getting ready for it exactly. So I've got to get back to 944 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:48.000 working on that right now. In fact, Karen came in and was like, 945 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:51.399 oh, we got something else to do, so there's always something with 946 01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:56.600 that thing. Congratulators, see you and to Karen for pulling this off. 947 01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:00.680 I congratulate you both. Thank you so much, and thank you so much 948 01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:03.239 for being on the show. And well, hopefully it won't be too long 949 01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:06.199 till we have you back. I know it sounds great. Thanks ale Handra. 950 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:11.840 Thank you so much to Lisepiegel for joining us once again. He's always 951 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.600 a lot of fun and wealth of information. You can check his website out 952 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.439 at Leaspiegel dot com, or you can also go to KGr A and look 953 01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:24.359 for Edge of Reality, or you could google any of those things and it'll 954 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.640 take you right to him. But definitely check out his new show. It's 955 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:33.479 really good stuff, and you're gonna need a replacement because brace yourselves. I'm 956 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:36.600 not going to have a show for the next couple of weeks, next few 957 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.880 weeks because it's that time of year. It's the International UFO Congress, and 958 01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.920 as many of you know, I'm usually too busy with the conference to do 959 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:50.000 podcasts for the couple weeks before, So you're just gonna have to hold tight, 960 01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:54.760 or go ahead and go to Ufocongress dot com, get your tickets, 961 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:58.520 and come join us at the Congress. It's that easy. If you're Jones 962 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:01.840 and for hanging out with me talking UFOs or hearing me talk UFOs, then 963 01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:05.319 just come to the Congress. It's that easy. So Ufocongress dot com, 964 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:09.279 so be sure to go there, get your tickets or come. It's going 965 01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:12.520 to be a ton of fun and a lot of what we talked about on 966 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:17.720 the show was the Phenomenon documentary. I don't even know if we talked about 967 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:24.239 how that's the title of James Fox is in Lispiegel's documentary The Phenomenon. So 968 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:26.600 if you want to hear more about that, of course, we're going to 969 01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:30.359 have James Fox at the conference talking about it, giving some sneak peeks and 970 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.359 giving us all the latest and greatest on that. So otherwise, I'll probably 971 01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:39.279 have some articles and comments out on social media still, so you can follow 972 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:44.119 me on my Patreon or my social media and we'll still have some conversation going 973 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:47.359 on there. The conversation never ends, and I feel like I'm pretty sure 974 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:51.359 there's going to be new revelations coming every moment. In fact, I know 975 01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:56.520 right now you can go to my Twitter and see some late breaking news. 976 01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.800 Lots of cool stuff going on. Anyway, thank you very much to Lisepiegel 977 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:03.319 for joining us. Thank you to Martin Willis of podcast UFO for joining us 978 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.399 at the beginning of the show. With the news. Remember you can go 979 01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:11.920 to Openminds dot tv and see all that news right on the front page. 980 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:15.000 And you know, actually, if you go to the dropdown for the articles, 981 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:20.640 you'll find UFO news headlines, and there are a bunch of headlines there 982 01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:24.680 that go back for a long time. It's a great research tool to see 983 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.640 all the headlines going back for years, so go check that out at Openminds 984 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:33.039 dot tv. Otherwise, that is it for this show. Thank you to 985 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:40.039 Caleb Hey, thanks for the opening and close music. Thank you to Systematics 986 01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.840 for the bumper music. And remember be sure to join us at the UFO 987 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:48.039 Congress. So once again UFO Congress dot com to see everything going on there. 988 01:21:49.039 --> 01:22:40.439 Until next time, Audio's mood Chuchos and you mus