1 00:00:02,919 --> 00:00:07,559 What is Kracklak and Hardman Knox Listeners, I am Dan Pavali coming at you 2 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:12,359 once more without my fantabulous co host Adam Brommel. Our Team look Ahead train 3 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:16,600 rolls onward, though we are nearing the end. This is the Penn Ultimate 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,320 Team look Ahead Podcasts. We've been through a lot together, guys. Thanks, 5 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:24,280 thanks for listening. We are up to these Chicago Bulls. Jason pat 6 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:27,039 was kind enough to come join me. He is an editor for the Clutch 7 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:30,839 Points app contributor to Bulls blogger Forbes. He's also the co host of the 8 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:34,920 Cash Considerations podcast, which also falls under the Blue Wire umbrella. Go check 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,159 them out. Follow him on Twitter at Bulls Underscore Jay. 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We will come up right there, so throw us a subscription 35 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:14,919 there as well. That is all out of the way, So now let's 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,800 move on to the Chicago Bulls. Lots and lots of Bulls talk a fascinating 37 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,080 team after all they did over the offseason. We get deep into them with 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:28,280 Jason pat the co host of the Cash Considerations podcast. Jason, thank you 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,080 so much for coming on the Hardwo Knox podcast. It talks some Chicago Bulls 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,439 with me. They were They didn't really have a controversial offseason. I think 41 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:39,400 everyone was in pretty agreement with how easy the decisions they made were and how 42 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:43,199 great of an offseason they had. So while there's not much to talk about, 43 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:46,000 I'm excited to talk about Bulls with you and all seriousness though. How 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,520 are you doing? I'm doing well just as well as the Bulls are apparently 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,360 a dominant preseason team three and zero. They finally did have a close game 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,759 the other night against the Cavs, but the first two games they crushed. 47 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,439 It is not used to be a little bit excited about the Bulls and obviously 48 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,919 joking about the controversy stuff, and we'll obviously get into that because they are 49 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,479 it seems like pretty polarizing, and it's nice that they are relevant at least 50 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:13,680 because they've been irrelevant for the last one number four or five years. So 51 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:15,560 even if they are polarizing and there are a lot of people that are kind 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,080 of down on them, whatever, I get it. The Bulls need to 53 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,639 prove it. It's just nice that they're actually being talked about like an all 54 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:24,719 in a way that's just like not completely horrible. So I'm looking forward to 55 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:28,800 the season getting started, especially after some of these preseason games have been really 56 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,599 fun to watch. Yeah, so I watched minimal preseason. I just can't 57 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,759 do it. I've only I've only watched Bulls. I don't think i've I 58 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:38,879 haven't watched a minute of any other preseason games. So I'm in the Bulls 59 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:42,199 because I got new guys and all that. But yeah, it's tough. 60 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,719 What might be an interesting change of pace is that they're no longer seems to 61 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:50,719 be like the national discourse of is Zach Lavine good anymore. Everything has just 62 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,199 been shifted to, oh, did the Bulls give up too much to have 63 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,319 demart Rosen on the rosters. So maybe that's one benefit of the off season 64 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,240 that they went through. Yeah right, yeah, I mean the Lavine thing 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,879 for sure. Like I feel like some people are still maybe a little late 66 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:06,159 coming around on him. I've I mean, obviously he deserved all the question 67 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:10,680 marks before, but he's gotten better every single season in Chicago. He was 68 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,840 awesome last year. I know, the record still wasn't very good, and 69 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,839 then like after the boos Witch trade, they didn't really do anything. That's 70 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,120 Levine got hurt. He had COVID and that just kind of that kind of 71 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,680 derailed the season. But like before that, his first half the year, 72 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,600 like he was keeping the roster afloat, a garbage roster basically, again, 73 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,600 it was like him and bad Young some Garrett Temple in there as well, 74 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,399 like we're the only guys really doing much of anything. And yeah, so 75 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,759 I think a lot of people are expecting that with more talent, for the 76 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:39,720 Bulls to look better, for Zec to finally get a bit more get more 77 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,000 shine here, and a lot of people I don't want to say that the 78 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,600 Bulls aren't gonna go to the finals. That he's not gonna take like the 79 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,399 Devin Booker track and like him and this team is gonna go to the finals. 80 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:51,800 But I think some people might start to at least recognize him being like 81 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:56,399 more on that level, on that Booker level, Donovan Mitchell, like those 82 00:04:56,439 --> 00:05:00,000 peers, those guard peers, like, uh, he's with So hope, 83 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,519 like I said, hopefully it doesn't crash and burn here. But I think 84 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,279 Zach and play like he did last season he was just so ridiculously efficient. 85 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Now he's got more still around him. The Team USA thing, he played 86 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,839 like really brilliant, solidious role on that with his defense, Hopefully that solid 87 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,079 defense will transfer over to the season and hopefully he'll just get the recognition that 88 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:20,800 he deserves. I think some people are still behind, some people are still 89 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,839 skeptical, which I do get. I still haven't won anything, but if 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,480 he does play like he did last year, he will start getting more more 91 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,800 of that recognition. So also, dribble three point shooting the past two years 92 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,480 has just been absolutely ridiculous. So Zach Lavine is good spicy takes here, 93 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,199 but that's not It's nice that it doesn't feel like that's as large of a 94 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,720 discussion was. More so what I'm saying, I'm curious though, as someone 95 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,920 who follows and covers the team more intimately, what do you just think about 96 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:46,920 their offseason in general, even when if you're not looking at it from a 97 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:49,680 fit if you just think even you said, it's nice that we're talking about 98 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,040 the Bulls and more relevant terms now, lots of people have just focused on 99 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:57,639 the opportunity cost of what they've given up to build this roster, dating back 100 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,480 to the foods trade with the Damados and sign and trade versus what are how 101 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,279 good can these Bulls actually be? So just where do you sort of land 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,360 on the decision making process that they've traveled down the past like six or eight 103 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:11,560 months. Yeah, I mean, just going back to the boots trade, 104 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,839 it wasn't think a bit much. I could think you would argue there was 105 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,240 a bit of an overpay there, but I mean, Booch is still really 106 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,319 good. Again, it didn't really pay off last year with the Lavine getting 107 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:23,439 hurt and getting COVID it just kind of totally nuke that. It was just 108 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:26,680 and just the weird season working in new guys. They had like no practice 109 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,000 time and all that. They just didn't. It just didn't work out down 110 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,319 the stretch. But I think now hopefully the training camp and all that, 111 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,480 obviously they're working in a bunch of new guys, Hopefully that will work out 112 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:39,000 better. Again, giving up two first round picks was a lot, but 113 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,959 the Bulls need to do something, I think at that point, I mean, 114 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:45,639 they just saw the ak and Mark Eversley did like nothing in the first 115 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,480 off seasons basically draft Patrick Williams, Sein Garrett Temple, and they were just 116 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,720 like, all right, we'll see what we got here. And they realized 117 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,160 very quickly what they had was crap. They traded one del Kurter junior. 118 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,519 They obviously they moved on from Lowry this off season. They just realized, 119 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,839 like this the young thing, like rebuilding with these young guys is just not 120 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,120 going anywhere. And with Zach Zack's free agency coming up next offseason, like 121 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,399 they had to show they meant business and they wouldn't get some better players around 122 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:09,959 him. So did they overpay for Russovitch Probably a little bit, But he 123 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:13,879 is really good. I mean, great three point shooter, great, good 124 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,879 passer. Obviously a low post scords because a verst of the offensive player. 125 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:20,959 Hopefully that will work out, and then going to this this offseason, obviously 126 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:25,920 they strike right with way with Lonzo. We're obviously still waiting on this tampering 127 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,959 investigation, like what's going on with there, Like they've been rumors that they 128 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:32,199 could lose a first round pick. We'll see. It's been my favorite conspiracy 129 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,920 theories that they chose getting the first round pick back and the lowry trade over 130 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:39,839 the lowry nancher in your trade because they're convinced that they're going to be fun 131 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:43,480 the first trad Because I mean, I mean, maybe it would be great 132 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:46,560 if that doesn't happen, but if they does, if they do lose that 133 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,920 first they obviously did get one back in the lowry trade, as you said, 134 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,040 but I mean Lonzo. I mean the fact that they were obviously in 135 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:55,720 on him last trade deadline, they were talking about like lowry for Alonzo. 136 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,279 Then they've been in on him for so long. It makes a lot of 137 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,519 sense. He fits well XZAC. He obviously had a best Seaver's career last 138 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:07,040 year. His three point shot has come around theoretically defensively should be really good. 139 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:09,720 He's been awesome in on defense and three season. We'll see if that 140 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,920 translates. I feel like with the Pelicans last Publicans was a weird team last 141 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,639 year, Like Lonzo was good, but every time I watched, like the 142 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,240 time the Bulls played them, that just like roasted them, like all the 143 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,800 time. Their defense was really bad for a while. So like I was 144 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:24,480 curious, it's like how good Lonzo is because I didn't watch them that much 145 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,800 so far. I mean, he's obviously got good size, He's been very 146 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:31,720 active. I think he had like four blocks and three steals in the last 147 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,679 game. So if he's gonna played defense like that, that's obviously huge. 148 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,559 And I'm sure we'll talk about the defense thing coming up here, because that's 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,240 one of the big question marks about them. But he's looked great so far. 150 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,320 The Crusoe deal great move, and they got him for the mid level 151 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,159 exception, I believe, and so far he's been awesome in preseason two. 152 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,720 So, like talking about defense, they knew they needed to add better defenders. 153 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,799 They add those two guys make a ton of sense. The Durosen thing 154 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,039 is obviously been super polarizing and when it first happened, and it was three 155 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,639 years he was reported three eighty five. I think it's actually like three eighty 156 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,519 two obviously whatever for a couple mentions everything. Yeah, exactly when I first 157 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:09,360 saw that, and like what they gave him, what they gave up definitely 158 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,679 some sticker shot going. They're like wow they because I mean there there were 159 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,279 the rumors and DeRos and recently address this. I think I think in a 160 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:20,759 condo like Sham's about uh, like people were saying like he might take like 161 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,480 the mid level to play with the Lakers, like the Clippers or something to 162 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,840 go home, and he was like, yeah, that was kind of disrespectful 163 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,399 because like that was just never gonna happen. But you do wonder like what 164 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,679 other teams were offering, Like were the Bulls just like did they totally outbid 165 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:35,279 themselves basically against themselves? You do wonder that. I do think the deal 166 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,679 is probably a bit much. And they also gave up a first there. 167 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,320 They gave up Dad Young. There were rumors that like Lowry thought he was 168 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,279 going to go to the Spurs in that deal, but he didn't. Again, 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,360 maybe they didn't want to do it because they thought maybe they could get 170 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,799 a first round pick for him, and they did get that first round pickbacks 171 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,799 and maybe uh, that's that was was going on there. But the derosen 172 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:56,919 thing like he brings, He definitely brings some stuff the table that will really 173 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,759 help the Bulls free He gets to the free throw line a lot. The 174 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:03,720 Bulls were dead last and free throw shooting last year. Just another guy who 175 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:05,159 can score in the half court. The Bulls have just relied so much on 176 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,039 Zach in the last couple of years to do much. And like, well, 177 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,480 he can hit some crazy shots sometimes, like at the end of games. 178 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,440 It was a lot of times it's just him playing hero ball and throwing 179 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,879 a garbage and sometimes it would go in because you can hit ridiculous shots, 180 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,720 but a lot of times it didn't. So having another's just and Drosen's gotten 181 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,799 so much better at passing as well, so having another smart passer that kind 182 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:26,759 of stuff. I know. He doesn't really shoot threes and that's a big 183 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,080 knock on him. He actually hit two the other night against the Calves. 184 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,080 Including how he gets it gets us as we see him hit like a couple 185 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,120 of three games like, oh is this this season? But yeah, like 186 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,399 I think offensively it'll be fine, Like I think with Lonzo, Zach Vouch 187 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,559 throws and Pagrick Limbs and the fifth starter once he's healthy. Like, you 188 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:48,519 got a bunch of guys who are pretty smart players. They can pass handle 189 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,120 the ball, playmaking, so hopefully ball movement, that pushing the pace stuff 190 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:56,360 like that we'll see. I know with like Vouch maybe not a push the 191 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,559 pace guy Drows maybe not as much either. Be like with the passing and 192 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,639 Liken, Zoe and Zaak got there, they're gonna look to push the pace 193 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,200 for sure. And Patrick Williams a young dude. He can get out there 194 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,440 and play some hit three pointers, push pace as well. Hopefully that will 195 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:11,679 work. The defense again, there are questions they they're actually number one in 196 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:16,639 defensive rating in preseason. It is preseason. That means like nothing they have 197 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,919 like a Lonzo has been like I mentioned, Lonz has been good defensively, 198 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:24,679 Crusoe has been huge. Derozen obviously defense is just not his thing. He'll 199 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,000 be playing a lot of small ball before like he did with I think, 200 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,519 like he did with the Spurs last year. He's had moments defensively in preseason, 201 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:31,639 be I don't want to say too much. Last game he also just 202 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,240 got blown off the dribble by Lowry market in which is never a good sign. 203 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:37,960 So like there will be those question marks, and like over a three 204 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,000 year deal, you're paying him whatever twenty seven million a year, Like did 205 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,559 they really have to give him that? I don't know. But overall, 206 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,879 just like I'm just happy that the Bulls they kind of went forward. You 207 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:50,159 could say, what are the exactly they going for? Like how good are 208 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:52,960 they actually gonna be? What is they're selling over the next couple of years? 209 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,320 Fair all fair questions, But they've just been so just since, such 210 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,919 a malaise, since trading Jimmy Butler. Even I mean even the last season 211 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,360 Belt with the three Offhans Era was was miserable to go through. And besides 212 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,639 think the two oh series leading as the Celtics that season was. That season 213 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,279 sucked. Besides Jimmy, like he'll blossom into a star basically, but they've 214 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,799 been such a malaise for so long. The guard packs stink has just been 215 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,519 on this team for so long. Just the fact that they'd kind of be 216 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,519 aggressive. They went out guys, they identified top targets and they actually got 217 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,399 them, which is nice to see how it actually like all comes together. 218 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Obviously, big question marks, a lot of people have concerns. I'm definitely 219 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:31,360 like sipping some of the sea red kool aid. Being a bit of a 220 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,039 homer, I think that they should be at least they should definitely be a 221 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,440 playing team. I think they could definitely if things go right, they could 222 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,840 probably be like a four or five seed. But the Eastern Conference there's a 223 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,200 lot of decent teams there, so they could. Honestly, I could see 224 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,360 them finishing like fourth or even like ten. I woun't want to say they're 225 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,720 gonna finish eleventh like Hollinger has them and with like high thirties wins, but 226 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:54,240 I had them like pretty firmly like the mid forties and wins, and I 227 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,799 think that they could possibly even maybe be a little bit better than that. 228 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:01,120 But that could just be me being a homer and it's being excited about having 229 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,039 something in a root for But I think they really could be good offensively and 230 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:11,679 maybe better than people think defensively, so the offensive stuff. And I actually 231 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,440 didn't have a problem with what the actual roster ended up looking like as much 232 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,679 as most people. I think it was most of the order of operations that 233 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,440 got there. It's like, you probably don't have to give up a first 234 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:22,080 round pick in the Jamard Rosen sign and trade if you also have to get 235 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,840 off a Meno in that deal. So it's just like that was tough to 236 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,360 put. You look at the roster specifically, they should be really good offensively. 237 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,720 Do you have any idea of how they should be like staggering their top 238 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,200 four guys in Lonzo, Lavine, de Mar and Vouge because it does seem 239 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,759 like they're trying to juggle. I think DeMar's great because this team needed like 240 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,639 another real secondary creator. He's one of the best pick and roll pastors in 241 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,720 the game too at this point. But we've seen you already mentioned it. 242 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,879 Billy Donovan's talked about playing fast. I think Billy Donovan has also talked about 243 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,960 putting the ball more in Lonzo Ball's hands in the half court, which is 244 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,360 a weird thing to do based on what we've seen from him in the past 245 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,519 and knowing you have Lavigne, DeMar, and vouch. So how do you 246 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:00,799 sort of see this team like staggering those guys like they're like or just you 247 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:05,879 know, just making I guess, trying to actualize all these different visions that 248 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:07,919 they have with these guys there. Yeah, I mean, Billy has talked 249 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:11,519 about the need to stagger guys. Was just especially with the with the bench 250 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,080 units like they had, Like the bench is gonna be interesting just because like 251 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,759 they don't have that much like scoring juice off the bench. Kobe Whitz hurt 252 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:22,960 right now and obviously he'll be big as a bench guy. They got Crusoe, 253 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,320 and then the rest of the guys are all just kind of like versatile, 254 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,879 like forwards who I can't shoot, So they're gonna need some of that 255 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:33,840 offensive juice playing with the bench units. Like Yester. In the last game 256 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,960 against the Calves, Zach was it was like Zach and a bunch of bench 257 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,519 guys at the end of the first quarter. So I think we'll see a 258 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,759 lot of that. I mean, we might see a lot of Drozen with 259 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,120 the bench, depending on who comes. Like I had I had, I'd 260 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,559 have to look back to see how Za he's staggered the guys in the first 261 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,120 couple of games too. But I'm sure like one of Zach or Derozen will 262 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,720 come out midway through the first and then you bring them back one of those 263 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,279 guys back in for the start of the second. So it's one of those 264 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:01,399 guys with the bench, so they're leading leading the unit. I think Kobe, 265 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,000 the days of Kobe White like being a point guard probably are not gonna 266 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,480 with the balls at least with this scene, probably won't be a thing. 267 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:09,480 You got cru So to be that off the bench as well, Kobe will 268 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:13,360 be kind of a gunner to help score off the bench. And then obviously, 269 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,600 yeah, how they also do with Lonzo. You mentioned this stuff about 270 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,399 like Lonzo said at media day, like how always gonna be playing more like 271 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,759 traditional point guard. Like, I really don't know how much they're actually gonna 272 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:24,120 have him like be like here, Alonzo, here's the ball and going like 273 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:26,919 create half pre offense because that's just not his game. Like he's tried a 274 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,320 few times in pre season, and like he's had a few like step back 275 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,799 jumpers, and he had one really nice drive and finish the other night. 276 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:37,360 I did not see that much of the Pelicans gammage, knowing that they won 277 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,039 by forty against the Pelicans team playing like nobody, but so like I think 278 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,559 maybe they like trying to have him do a little more than he was doing 279 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:45,519 with New Orleans. He was obviously with New Orleans, he was like it 280 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,120 was a lot of just three and D point guard stuff that's we talked about. 281 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,919 So maybe they gave him a bit more responsibility if they have him playing 282 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:52,600 against second units. But obviously, just in general, based on his skill 283 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,840 set, he can't really drive and score for himself. He doesn't get to 284 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,799 the free throw line, So like Alonzo will be super important pushing pace and 285 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,720 transition, look aheads that kind of stuff. In terms of like half court 286 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:07,799 offense, I'm assuming they'll be mostly Zach and Derozen and they will. It 287 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,080 will be interesting. It's how Billy does stag at him, Like I said, 288 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,279 he said he's going to do it. It's just a matter of what 289 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:17,279 how he ends up doing those rotations. If he has like Zach Zach with 290 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,799 the bench, Morphy's Derozi with the bench more and then staggering a Lonzo and 291 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,360 Voots as well will be interesting. Would have been your early impressions of how 292 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:29,200 Caruso fits with this team? Oh, he's been awesome. Everything we've hoped 293 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,399 for. I know, like Lakers fans loved him. We had Anthony Irwin 294 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,879 on our pot a few weeks and cash considerations a few weeks ago, and 295 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:37,039 just like he was very upset that the Lakers let him go. I was 296 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,679 surprised the Lakers let him go, well, having the ability to keep him 297 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,080 like he just wasn't they just decided to let him go, right, Yeah, 298 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,879 yeah, they didn't want to pay it. Yeah. So yeah, 299 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,399 I mean he's been great. I mean this again, I don't want to 300 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:52,279 take too much for preseason results, but you just see the defensive effort. 301 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,080 I'll got a shout out my guys. Steph no did something on his his 302 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,039 patriot. I think it's his Patreon, just showing just like all the great 303 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,120 like the little things that it does defensively that you might not notice. He 304 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:06,400 just plays so hard, just going over I mean, especially like last year 305 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,839 Kobe White and Zach is a starting backcard defensive which is not good. Got 306 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,359 dying on screens. I'm just a difference between Kobe and like Caruso. Kobe 307 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,920 would always die on screens. Cruso is fighting through screens, getting in passing 308 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:19,519 lanes, getting deflections, and Lonzo has been the same way as well. 309 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:23,319 So just just the defensive intensity, and I mean he's been really good offensively 310 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,839 too. Actually, in the first game he had ten assists and he's been 311 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,000 one pushing pace, moving the ball around really well. So like obviously not 312 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,000 expecting m score scoring out of Alex Caruso, but in terms of being that 313 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,599 second un to point guard, and in terms of the defense given with the 314 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,720 rosters set up, because I mean Vouch isn't known as a defender, Zach 315 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:44,759 hasn't been known as a defender. He's better than he used to be, 316 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:47,960 still not known as a defender, drows and we talked about he's bad defensively. 317 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,519 Lonzo and Cruso with that perimeter defense, they're going to be needed. 318 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:53,920 And so far Cruso through the preseason so far as he's been awesome. So 319 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,559 he's been really fun. Kobe is still dealing with that shoulder injury, right, 320 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:02,640 yeah, he's not back until November. What is the you mentioned their 321 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,559 last like dearth of scoring off the bench, which would make sense like he's 322 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:07,880 important there, but like does this sort of you know, having Lonzo, 323 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,480 having Demuro's in having you're planning on keeping Zach Lavine obviously he does that like 324 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,960 hinder his long term future with this team or do you think they still view 325 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,480 him as part of that core? Yeah, I mean I have to think 326 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:22,839 it probably does. Like he could definitely still be useful, as I mentioned 327 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,440 as that bench gunner. I think that's a more useful role for him. 328 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,960 And when they tried him as a starting point guard last year, it just 329 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,920 did not work. He has games where he can go off scoring, but 330 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,799 just as a consistent point guard, it just was not working. Obviously, 331 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,599 he's still super young, but the Bulls just they speeding up their timeline. 332 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,119 They didn't have time to just stick with it, and they moved away from 333 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,400 him. He moved back to the bench last but he played. He started 334 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,039 playing a little better towards the end of the year as a starting point guard 335 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,319 when they had like when Voods got there. I think he having Boots there 336 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:52,359 really helped him. But just like you don't want to if you're trying to 337 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,359 be serious about winning games, you just don't know. Kobe wit can't be 338 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,279 your starting point guard. That's why they go get Lonzo Ball. At least 339 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,720 right now. Maybe Kobe does develop, probably with another team. Lonzo is 340 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,359 here, he's on a long term deal. He's young. You have Zach, 341 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,039 you have de Rosen. Like Kobe, watch is not going to get 342 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:08,279 many of those point guard reps. You can do it occasionally, but not 343 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:11,119 as your full time guy. So like in terms of his long term future 344 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,440 here, like for this season, I mean, you see him as the 345 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,440 bench gunner. I mean, I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they did 346 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,519 look to trade him at some point. I guess, well, I'm not 347 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,359 really sure you get for him right now, but I guess we'll see that. 348 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,799 That's why the injury was such a such a huge bummer, because like 349 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:29,759 he lost all his old off season and like now he is coming back to 350 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:32,400 a role that I think should be better for him. But I guess I'm 351 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,680 just not really sure that how he will work in the rotation. He'll obviously 352 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,400 get minutes next to Crusoe as that bench backward, but it will be interesting 353 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,960 to see just like how much he plays, and he's certainly not I still 354 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,200 can't like him as a franchise cornerston at this point anymore. It's still be 355 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:51,400 useful whether it's on this team as that bench scorer, as a trade ship. 356 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,000 Maybe somebody else wants to take a chance on him and try to develop 357 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:56,000 him as that as a point guard of the future type, but I can't 358 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:02,160 see how it happens here now with Lonzo Say actor Rosen Patrick Williams also injured, 359 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,759 although one of the rare occasions where the team was like super pessimistic about 360 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:08,200 his timeline for a return and it seems like he's just gonna shatter it. 361 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,720 It wasn't the timeline on it, like was it some ridicula like three months 362 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,839 or something, you know. So it was the first it came out like 363 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,480 a week after he got hurt, and they announced four to six weeks. 364 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,559 Then it was like, so it was like a month and a half. 365 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,240 But then like it was then clarified that oh, like the s Andrey actually 366 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,640 happened a week before we announced it, so like maybe he'll actually be back 367 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,279 from at the start of the season. And now he's apparently back at practice. 368 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,240 I think he played some five on five today and it sounds like there 369 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,480 might be a chance he plays in their last preseason game on Friday. So 370 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,519 if anything, he's like coming back like the very very front end of that 371 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,200 four to six months. I don't think I ever saw anything like three months. 372 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,160 I think that was super super pessimistic, but I mean there was concern 373 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,920 if he missed like the full six weeks and if it was from that initial 374 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,680 time, which was like, I think the end of September that he would 375 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,680 have missed gone, he would have missed time into November, and he would 376 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,079 have missed the first couple of weeks, which would also been a bummer because 377 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,960 second season, and he's got to learn how to play with the other starters 378 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,880 because he's a fifth starter. He's obviously super young. He didn't have a 379 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,240 normal training camp or whatever summer league last year, and a weird obviously rookie 380 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,640 season and now to miss out on this time, but it sounds like he 381 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:15,440 is basically gonna be back pretty soon here. If he doesn't play in the 382 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,519 last preseason game, it sounds like he'll probably be ready for opening night at 383 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,480 least next week, which is that's at least exciting. It seems like they've 384 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,000 and this is dating back to the last season, they've just decided that he's 385 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:29,000 going to be like one of the best wing defenders in basketball. It feels 386 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,599 like that's how they've treated him. Do you view him as a guy that's 387 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:34,440 capable of doing that? And also what is his like, is he ever 388 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,039 gonna get a chance to even try to branch out on offense? At this 389 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:38,720 point, you just look at the talent around him, It's like, well, 390 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:41,119 what is he supposed to do other than play off the ball right now, 391 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,240 right exactly defensively. Yeah, last year they basically put him on everybody, 392 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:49,519 like they tried him from like like Jannis to Lebron to Kawai to Devin 393 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,240 like they hadn't chasing Devin Booker one game and I think and Bookers absolutely destroyed 394 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:56,759 him. So like, I don't I don't want Patrick Williams like out there 395 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,880 guarding like two guards, Like I don't know if he's really that guy. 396 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,279 I mean, those bigger guys like Lebron and Kwai, he probably will be 397 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:04,720 match up against them. He does like kind of lack. I think the 398 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,240 he doesn't really have the best foot speed, which he could still in like 399 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,480 lateral movement. Was this that was kind of one of the knocks at him 400 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:15,160 coming out of Florida State that he's not always the quickest. So like guarding 401 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,279 those smaller guys really probably not the best thing. He said, Guarding Devin 402 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:21,759 Booker probably not what he should be doing, Like that should be like that 403 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,920 Alonzo guarding that type of guy, Caruso, even Zach as well, Petro 404 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,640 Williams probably not guarding maybe some of those bigger wings and also just playing around 405 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,680 the room as well and acting as a room protector. He's pretty good at 406 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,200 doing that. He's six at six nine, He's got pretty good instincts playing 407 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,559 off the ball like that, like we help side or week side like rim 408 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,880 protection. That kind of stuff. Was Booch not a really much of a 409 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,319 room protector. Booch is a he's a fine defender. He like he positioning 410 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,359 wise, he's decent, but obviously doesn't block when he shots. He's kind 411 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,559 of slow footed. So like having Pat there who kind of help in that 412 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,480 regard I think would be good and he can. Definitely he'll definitely get some 413 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,119 of those tough wing assignments, but like I said, definitely don't really want 414 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,319 him running around like guarding Devin Booker regarding like point guards, quick two guards. 415 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,559 But and then offensively, Yeah, because that was one of in Summer 416 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,000 League, the Bulls did put the ball in his hands a ton and like 417 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:08,119 he was like, Hey, you're gonna go run this offense, get a 418 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,359 bunch of shots, and he had He looked really good at times. Other 419 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,480 times the efficiency wasn't there on this team when you're trying to win games. 420 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,079 I just don't think he'll probably get that many opportunities. Like he'll probably get 421 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,119 some maybe when you are like staggering guys, and if he's playing with bench 422 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,000 units, maybe you do give him some pick and roll chances opportunities like that. 423 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,519 But he's just not gonna get that many opportunities when you have Zach Rose 424 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:34,200 and a Lonzo, when you get Kobe White back like so he's probably gonna 425 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,400 be a spot up guy. So I think this is the key is to 426 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,319 him to be aggressive when he does get those opportunities. He shot I'm very 427 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,240 low volume, a really solid a percentage from three. I think it was 428 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,720 like thirty eight thirty nine percent something like that. So he didn't have a 429 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,200 pretty decent, like nice hierarchy three point shot. Too many times he would 430 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,400 get a little too passive though pass up shots, wouldn't be aggressive enough when 431 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,559 he did get those opportunities. So he's got to be able to hit those 432 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,920 open threes, tack closeouts, tack offensive check the offensive glass cutting. He's 433 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,839 a pretty good cutter, smart cutter when he has those chances when the when 434 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,480 that ball's moving around, when you have good pastors like Damar with Blonzo and 435 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,079 Booch like those guys can he will hit him for passes if he's and catch 436 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,880 guys napping off on the other side or off cuts like that. So he 437 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,319 will have to be opportunist, opportunistic with his offense. Uh and maybe somewhere 438 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,319 down the line, maybe he does develop into a branch out that offense, 439 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,519 like you said, but for now he'll be mostly off ball. He'll have 440 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:32,720 to be opportunists with those chances. What is their backup five rotation gonna look 441 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:33,680 like? And it's this is just really my way of asking, Like, 442 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:37,960 they seem like they're built to get weird with the backup five rotation, and 443 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,759 are they going to lean into that where maybe we see some like DJJ at 444 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,400 the five. Yeah, So they signed to Tony Bradley. He has not 445 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,599 played in preseason. We might see a lot of Aliza Johnson as the backup 446 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,160 five. He's been kind of doing that in preseason and he's looked pretty good. 447 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,680 He is small. We saw six seven, right, six seven, 448 00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:59,079 he's sixty seven. Like. He tries zass off and all that, which 449 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,400 is great. He's credible rebound or like, and that's continued in his limited 450 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,079 minutes with the Nets last year, and his permanent rebounding was insane, and 451 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,359 that has continued into preseason. I think he had like eleven rebounds in like 452 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,319 eighteen or nineteen minutes I think in the last game against the Calves, and 453 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,200 that he did that earlier in the preseason as well. But he is he 454 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,559 is undersized. He didn't get have fouled trouble, probably an issue. I 455 00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,640 mentioned Evan Mobley just took him to school in the posts a few times just 456 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,000 because too small. But I think there will be occasions where you do see 457 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,039 alsay, like we'll see about Tony Bradley once he gets worked in the rotation 458 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,880 DJJ possibly, I'm assuming DJJ will be their backup four probably, I mean 459 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,160 maybe they It might be between like him and Alsa and then Bradley. Those 460 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,880 three guys will be like the main backup big guys. I know Stanley Johnson 461 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,160 is on the roster. He played like a bunch of backup five with the 462 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,559 Raps last year, But I don't know if he's gonna make the team or 463 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,960 not, because he has a non I think, or maybe a partial guarante. 464 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,960 I can't remember exactly what kind of guarantee as I think Alsa is not 465 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,640 fully guarantee either, but I think Alsa is making the team for sure. 466 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,359 Stanley has not look good in preseason, but I know, like if he 467 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,240 does make the team, like they could get weird to go if there are 468 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,480 injuries, especially maybe they go weird weird with him at the five. Maybe 469 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,359 they go Patrick Williams at the five sometimes as well. So they do it. 470 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,039 They just had like a lot of again, a lot of dudes that 471 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,359 are like six seven to like six nine or even like six six third June 472 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,359 Junior. I guess it's like six five. I always forget that he's like 473 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:19,200 that. He's not like six eight, He's only like six five. They 474 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,640 have a lot of the six five, like six nine wing athletic wings who 475 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,559 can play maybe three through five. If they do get like really funky and 476 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:32,319 want to play super small and really fast. So it will be really interesting 477 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:36,279 to see how Billy works out those rotations and in certain matchups they do want 478 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,400 to go super small and stuff like that, so it would be interesting. 479 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,319 How's Javonte Greene assured himself a spot in the rotation due to defending fours in 480 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,000 the preseason from what i'd team he blocked. He blocked Evan Mobile multiple times. 481 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,200 Other times Mobile looked much better in this in the second Bulls Cavs game, 482 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,119 but he's stoned Mobile and Marketing multiple times. In the post. He 483 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:02,960 tries really hard. He's only like six fourth way he's been taking Patrick Williams 484 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,640 Spott. I don't know if he'll like have like a set spot in the 485 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,359 rotation, but I think there will be definitely be times where he is going 486 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,480 to be like, hey, if the Bulls need to spark, we are 487 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,519 putting Javonte Green in this game. I mean maybe he does. I mean 488 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,200 maybe he's in front of Derek Jones as the backup four or I guess backup 489 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,240 three was Troy Brown Junior is there as well. On the wing, He's 490 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,079 been okay. He had three threes in the first game, has been kind 491 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,039 of quiet since then. So like again, that's again, Troy Brown's another 492 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,759 like six seven six, I think six six six seven win forward, versatile 493 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,960 kind of dude who can't really shoot either. So like how they work out 494 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,440 all his minutes with Green, Brown with Jones, with Bradley, with Alisa 495 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,160 Johnson. If Stanley Johns makes team how they worked that ou would kind of 496 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,720 be fascinating. But Javonte in that first three season game was really awesome. 497 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,720 Like I said, he's kind of come back down to earth a bit. 498 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,440 He all, after all, he is still just Javonte Green, no no 499 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,200 offense to him, but like he is like a role player, a bit 500 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,240 role player. He's not gonna wasn't gonna have like huge games all the time 501 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,839 that he did, but he at least like at the end of last season, 502 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,559 like he also had some really nice flashes where the energy, the athleticism, 503 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,519 and that goes back into playing fast if you're looking to speed teams up 504 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:12,640 and looking for some defensive pressure, some wing pressure, even some post defense 505 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,880 like he's been giving it. So I don't know if he's gonna have a 506 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,400 definite spot in the rotation, but he's definitely opened some eyes at least this 507 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,599 preseason play what what do you think this team can be on defense? And 508 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,920 they were like average after the Booge trade. But that's what the caveat Lavine 509 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,720 missing a lot of time probably helps that even though he's improved and you just 510 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:36,240 they're gonna be minutes where they play vooch and Demardozen and Lavine together pretty extensively, 511 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,720 and it just feels like that could is like is the path to them 512 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,920 over achieving on defense, like playing super aggressively. Is there something that they 513 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,880 could do? Like does this team have a realistic chance of being a league 514 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,359 average defense? Yeah, so you mentioned they were like average defensively last year 515 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,440 they were twelve. Obviously the lot that's really close. A lot of teams 516 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,960 kind of mixed in there, like a few points here there, like you 517 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,839 can trap a bit, but like I am hoping for league average defense. 518 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:03,279 They see bless his hard like this. I think it was the second preseason 519 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,319 game, was like, oh, they could be a top five defense, 520 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,079 and I was just like, oh, let's let's let's let's hill out here 521 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,200 for a second, Like, yeah, they've looked good in preseason against the 522 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,839 Calves and against the Pelicans without Zion, without branding, Yeah, you can 523 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,799 look good against those teams. And I mentioned they are first right now in 524 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,759 like preseason defensive brandings. They played again the Calves twice. One of those 525 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,640 games this last game no Darius Scarland, no context, and they played the 526 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,880 Pelicans without their two best offensive players, Like you can look good doing that 527 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,000 I think a lot of it. We're forcing turnovers. I mentioned how deflection 528 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:38,119 steals blocks. They've racked those up big times. So like like Lonzo and 529 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,039 Cruise are gonna be huge there. Patrick Williams, how he develops, is 530 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:45,079 gonna be huge there. So they're gonna be banking a lot on those guys, 531 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,319 maybe even Javonte Green, maybe like Alsa Johnson, whoever. They these 532 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,880 athletic guys off the bench, they are gonna be banking on them. And 533 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,480 Lavine's improvement because Drozen is what he is, He's not gonna be a good 534 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,839 defensively. I mean maybe he gives a crap enough where it's like enough, 535 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,599 and Vooch is the same same way, which at least has like quick hands. 536 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,920 His position I mentioned is decent. So you hope that like they're just 537 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:10,240 not awful, and that Crusoe and Lonzo just like rereak so much havoc on 538 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,279 the perimeter that it is like that it just makes life difficult for those guys, 539 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:17,319 and it just kind of cuts off teams offenses, especially against bad teams, 540 00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,279 so they can only shut down bad teams and then good teams will probably 541 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,599 just take advantage of them sometimes and it will be nights where they just look 542 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,079 absolutely awful. It's because their personnel isn't totally that great. But I think 543 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,680 if they do force turnovers like we have seen they've had again caveats preseason opponents, 544 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,920 all that they have forced like double digit steals, and all these games 545 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,680 they have been very active hands and Lonzo has been racking up seals, Crusoe 546 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,359 has done it, Green Chavantic Greens done it, Food Chief and at three 547 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,839 steals the other day. If they can do that and force those turnovers, 548 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,519 that can kind of help make up for some of the lack of the interior 549 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,359 room protection and then just some of those weaker defenders. Again, that's I 550 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,839 think the path to get to an average defense. Like I said, if 551 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,240 they finish, if they finished in the top half of the league defensively, 552 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,279 I think that'd be huge because they do think they're often should be hopefully in 553 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,480 the top ten. So if you're looking at a top ten offense and then 554 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,920 a league average defense, that's a team that could hopefully win mid forties in 555 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,000 games and either hopefully avoid the play or at least be one of like whatever 556 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,400 sixth, seven or eight or something like that. This question is always a 557 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,799 little matchup dependent. But what do you view or what do you think should 558 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:19,440 be there go to closing unit this season? Is it just the starting lineup 559 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:23,319 or are you subbing out someone there to put in Caruso to make sure he's 560 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:29,119 on the floor. Yeah, I think the popular lineup is probably subbing Pad 561 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:33,160 out when he's healthy and putting Crusoe in and just going Cruso, Crusoe, 562 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920 Alonz and you put move a throws in the four and you got Crusoe, 563 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,640 Alonzo, Zach, Droz and Vouch. I think is gonna be pretty popular 564 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:44,079 closing go to lineup for them. Some of this could depend on how Pat 565 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,440 develops, Like if he is somehow really good and he just fits really well, 566 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,440 it might just be that starting lineup. There might be nights where Kobe 567 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,240 closes if he's got got really going, like from beyond the three point line, 568 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:57,759 you just want to ride the hot hand. I could see him being 569 00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,400 in there instead of instead of Pat, maybe instead of a Lonzo. But 570 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,200 I do think they really like having Lonzo out there just for the defensive stuff, 571 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:07,160 So that might be again Pat or even de Rosa. I mean, 572 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,480 I guess you're probably not benching those top four guys. A lot of it 573 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,240 just comes on to like is Pat gonna be in the closing lineup or is 574 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,039 it gonna be Crusoe or is it gonna be Kobe White once he gets healthy. 575 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,359 So I mentioned I think the Crusoe thing and Cruiso probably gonna get a 576 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:22,920 ton minutes. Was they just gonna need his defense they need and he's just 577 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,119 a smart player offensively as well, So I think that's probably gonna be the 578 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,359 popular one. Again, We'll see how Pat does, if he can work 579 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,079 his way into closing games, and then maybe some Kobe White. Maybe there 580 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,359 will be other nights where if somebody else really has it going, maybe they 581 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,079 do close. Someone else closes games obviously when there's injuries, when there's foul 582 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,400 trouble, something like that. But yeah, I think it's Crusoe and Kovid 583 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:45,960 the two main guys off the bench, and the rest is kind of question 584 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,319 marks. So we'll see. I'm really looking forward to the Crusoe closing line 585 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,000 up there was they did throw it out there. The other that first game 586 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,960 against the Calves was when they really kind of blew open that first game, 587 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,480 like it was pretty competitive, like the first quarter Core and a half. 588 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,000 Those who got Crusoe came in for Jontay Green with and it was that that 589 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,200 five men rotation. They blew out the lead like twenty They were doing showtime. 590 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,920 They were running up and down the court, Zach was throwing down Elliott 591 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960 dunks. That was a lot of fun. So I'm hoping that's the kind 592 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,960 of stuff we see with with that lineup. Does Donovan have like the gall 593 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:20,039 to pull De Rosen in those situations? I don't know. I said that, 594 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,920 and then I'm like, would he really do that? I mean maybe, 595 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,559 but I don't know if he'd be happy about that. Like I could 596 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,559 see them if there were times where like if he's struggling defensively, not that 597 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,279 like Kobe White's a great defender, but if he struggled defensively, like maybe 598 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,720 they put Crusoe in for him and you keep Pat out there and it's Crusoe, 599 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,240 Lonzo, Zach, Pat and Booch. I mean, I could maybe 600 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,000 see that. Or if they do want to go super small, you just 601 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,400 and you go like Crusoe, Lonzo, De Rosen, Lavigne and like Pat 602 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,880 Williams at the five like they I mean, they could get super funcky and 603 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,559 super small and super fast at some of these lineups, So it could be 604 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,920 really funny. And at the very least, even if even if they're not 605 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,279 good, like if they disappoint and they're not good, it should be it 606 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,359 would be a bummer. I think they should at least be very entertaining in 607 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,599 the way they play. See pulling de Rosen was like my first instinct if 608 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:13,639 they needed defense, But I do think having another ball handler there and I 609 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,039 think they're like late games scoring this again to take that pressure off Zack. 610 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:21,519 I think it's where Drozen especial when the game slows down, that they Drosen 611 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:22,960 will probably be out there, but there could be nights if he just doesn't 612 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,840 have it, or if he really is just getting crushed defensively, then I 613 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,000 could see them maybe going in a different direction. You might have already mentioned 614 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,079 it, but is there a weird, odd ball out of left field line 615 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,280 up you really want them to try this season? Yeah? I mean I 616 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,639 think I did kind of mention like I could would like to see them maybe 617 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:42,360 try pet Petrick Williams playing the five with who else I don't know obviously who 618 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,320 five is gonna getting a lot of minutes but again, if you certain matchups 619 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,599 of other teams are going smaller, if you want to force teams to go 620 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:50,400 really small, throw Petick Williams out there at the five. Like I said, 621 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,840 maybe Crusoe, Zach, Lonzo, Derozen and Pat. Maybe you work 622 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,760 in Kobe Whitten instead of one of those guys. Maybe you have someone else 623 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,360 instead of Drozen at the four. I would like to see Pat maybe get 624 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,880 some minutes at the five. I mentioned that like his room protection is pretty 625 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,559 solid for like what he is, that's something he could continue to get better 626 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:12,119 at. And again that would just make for some really I think you could 627 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,800 get some pretty crazy lineups going there. So something like that, I guess 628 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,199 any of those guys, I mean, just if you want to play some 629 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,079 super small ball, if Foods doesn't have it, or they like defensively, 630 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,880 like they're really struggling because he's like really struggling defensively because they're they're gonna they're 631 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,079 gonna drop most likely with him because he just doesn't have the foot speed trap 632 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:31,840 guys. So like yeah, if there if there are times where like the 633 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,400 Bulls want to start to go trap on defense, be a bit more aggressive 634 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,559 on defense, just super downsize and see if they can just get aggressive four 635 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,679 steals and do that kind of stuff they could, Uh, it could be 636 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,079 interesting. Mine was I want to see Patrick Williams with basically four guards. 637 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:52,159 Give me Lonzo Carrussoau Green and Levine with Patrick Williams. There what happens. 638 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,599 I wanted. I really wanted to find a way to work Troy Brown Junior 639 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,320 into that lineup slash into this podcast because I was so he had like flashes 640 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,199 with the Bulls when he traded their last year. But it feels like very 641 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,400 much the idea of Troy Brown Junior at this point is just outstripping me. 642 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,239 The actual Troy Brown Junior. Yeah, he had some really nice just like 643 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,920 hustle players last year, I know, and with like the Wizards, I 644 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,280 think he like they tried him out of point guard like a little bit in 645 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,360 like his first or second season. So it's like, oh, like maybe 646 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,760 Troy Brown Junior could be like another his ball handler, strong defender, like 647 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,239 I know he guarded I think Kyrie decently well in a game last year, 648 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,119 so like decent, like another energy like guy off the bench. But the 649 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,320 shoot thing with him is the shooting, which I mean that's so many guys 650 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,280 like that where that's just like swing skill, Like can you at least make 651 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,840 an open jumper like thirty at league average rade? So far, he has 652 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,800 not done that in his career. I mentioned he mentioned he or I mentioned 653 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280 that he hit a few in that first Recas game. I think the last 654 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,599 game, I think he was like, oh for three. So the lack 655 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,679 of a consistent jumper, I think is what is one thing definitely hurting him 656 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,239 from like maybe having a definite spot in this rotation. Like I would like 657 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,920 to see him get some minutes. It would be nice to see him bloss 658 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,360 him into a key rotation player off the bench, see him. They have 659 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,039 so many of these wings, and that's something they haven't had in recent recent 660 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:05,400 years. They just like haven't had playable wings. I mean they've been playing 661 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,840 Denzel Valentine and Chandler Hudgerson. It like real wing minutes in recent years. 662 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,599 It's like these guys stink. You're hoping that these guys they brought in, 663 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,159 they got Chavante now, Troy Brown junior, Derek Jones junior, guys like 664 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:21,079 that can be better than what those those guys in the past have given. 665 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,840 I guess the problem is allot of them just that can't shoot, so like 666 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,800 they're versatile athletic players, just can't really shoot there. Really the Bulls are 667 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,320 banking on the top seven just taking care of that shooting. So yeah, 668 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,559 I'll be interesting with Tory Brown. Like I like the idea of it. 669 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,920 I like getting him in that trade because that was what was that trade? 670 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480 That was like the Gafford trade which would included Daniel Tie. I can't remember 671 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,119 what that all that all that mess was, but I think it was a 672 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,440 nice like guy to take a gamble on like maybe he killed silk can provide 673 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,599 some some strong minutes there, but nothing guaranteed for sure, because hey, 674 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,679 I just I think with him, it's again it's the shooting. You can 675 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,440 get that shooting up to league average, maybe a little better. Just hit 676 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,920 open corner three's play hard defense. There could be a spot in the rotation 677 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,599 for him. They didn't send you. There's the outline. I forgot what 678 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:02,760 did you think of the io to see move pick? Oh? I mean 679 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,000 I'm an Illinois guy. I went to Illinois. I watched it on my 680 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:09,119 basketball ton so like I thought it was cool. I mean, just staying 681 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:15,519 home he's a Chicago guy. It was somewhat controversial on Bulls Twitter just because 682 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,840 a lot of Bulls people or a lot of Bulls Twitter wanted Shreeve Cooper because 683 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,119 Strive Cooper fell super far. A lot of people were wondering, like why 684 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:23,800 is why is this? He's arguably like the best passer in the draft, 685 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,119 Like, obviously he's super short. I think he had the shooting issues. 686 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,239 I think he shooting issues, yeah, like big time. Yeah. But 687 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,239 he looked awesome in summer league, and I think he's done pretty well in 688 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,920 preseason from what I've seen. Again, I haven't followed too much of other 689 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,840 teams preseason actions so far, but so a lot of there was this argument 690 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,760 between like those two. I mean there were I think Jared Butler might have 691 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,079 gone after Iowa as well from Baylor, and I think that was another guy 692 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,360 like oh, maybe they should have taken him instead, but like whatever, 693 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,320 I simply people like we're mocking Io late in the first round. Before the 694 00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,400 draft. He had an awesome year, awesome career at Illinois, not end 695 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,440 well with the lost oil. Maybe one of his worst games of his college 696 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:06,400 career came at the worst possible time, but I mean, he's a stone 697 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,800 cold clutch killer at Illinois showed that actually in the last preseason game hit some 698 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,280 really clutch shots against the Calves to help beat them. His shooting definitely is 699 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,039 something that he'll have to work on. He did get better over the course 700 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,280 of his college career, but he did hit a three the other night too. 701 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,079 But if he can, I think he might make his hay. Defensively, 702 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,039 he has a really he's really long. I think he's got almost seventh 703 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:30,440 for wingspanning. So if he's another guy like he probably won't play much as 704 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,360 a rookie, hopefully get some time in the G League with the Winnie City 705 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,000 Bulls, but if he can be a guy who can develop a shot a 706 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,119 bit, play really hard defensively. Again, that's another just wing dude with 707 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:45,760 some questionable shooting there on the wing for the Bulls, but he could have 708 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,840 a decent career. Like I said, I mean, when you're picking it, 709 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,000 whatever's that thirty eight, he never really are expecting home runs. But 710 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,119 I think he was a borderline for arguable first round talent. You get him 711 00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,360 at at thirty eight or whatever, And as a Chicago, Illinois guy, 712 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,760 I can't complain about the pick at all. I was decided to see him 713 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,639 win the game for the Bulls the other night. So hopefully he develops, 714 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,440 hopefully get some G League time. Maybe he'll see if there's injuries. I 715 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,159 hope they're not injuries, but maybe he'll be able to show some stuff with 716 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,039 the actual Bulls. But since the Bulls are trying to win games this season, 717 00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,039 probably probably better that he is not playing real minutes, Like if you 718 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:19,320 get some spot minutes here and there, that'd be fine. But hopefully he's 719 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,519 able to show something in the leagues I'd love to see. I love to 720 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:23,119 seeing Illinois guy do really well in the NBA, and especially for the Bulls, 721 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,719 that'd be really cool. As we record this, they're over under win 722 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,800 totalist at at forty three point five. Are you going over under on that? 723 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,760 You mentioned where they could finish in the East, and I tend to 724 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,199 agree with you, and I'll say it. I could see them finishing anywhere 725 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,119 between fourth and eleventh, just like any other team that I would say could 726 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:42,480 fish fourth and eleven. Where do you think they ultimately wind up in the 727 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,519 bigger picture of the East? Yeah, I'm pretty confident saying that they'll get 728 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:49,800 forty five wins, So I think around forty five maybe maybe if things go 729 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,800 like really right, they get to like forty seven, high forties. On 730 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,239 pot my podcast with Richio Donald and Cash Considerations, like a few weeks ago, 731 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,360 when the schedule first came out, we went through each game and like 732 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,519 picked win loss, I somehow got to fifty wins. That obviously that is 733 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:06,039 I don't think that's gonna happen, like that's that is high. I guess 734 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,039 if they like if everything really comes together and they're like better defensively, maybe 735 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:15,000 they make another in season like trade upgrade something like that. Maybe maybe and 736 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:16,239 like that really works out, Like maybe they can't get the fifty. I 737 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,400 would not bet on them getting the fifty wins. Like I said, I'm 738 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,039 pretty comfortable on on the this over yeah, getting getting to like mid forties, 739 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,159 like forty five forty six, I think they can do that. And 740 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:30,440 I said forty five forty six hopefully gets you five or six something like that. 741 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,840 Again, with the East, there's such a jumble once you get past 742 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,599 Brooklyn, I mean Brooklyn even without Pryrie, whatever the heck's going on there, 743 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:37,840 Like they're still gonna be awesome. The Bucks are gonna be awesome. 744 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,920 And then after that you got Miami, Boston and then I mean and then 745 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,320 like that, whatever the Knicks, the Hawks, like the Bulls, the 746 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,760 Pacers, We'll see how they are. I go, all these teams always 747 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,639 jumble Out'll see what the raptors. Yeah, we'll see like how all these 748 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,119 teams do, because I mean, depending on injuries, you never know how 749 00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,760 that's gonna go, and all this kind of stuff. Like a lot of 750 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,400 these teams could just kind of the hornets hornets, like they could finish like 751 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,559 you've mentioned, like so up to like four three, I feel like Miami 752 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,320 should probably be pretty firm in or maybe Boston something like that. But from 753 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,400 Atlanta in front over, yeah, I guess Atlanta to yeah, Atlanta still 754 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,039 dead and they were I keep forgetting this how good Atlanta was from the time 755 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,719 they fired Lloyd Piers all the way these tournament finals. They had a ridiculous 756 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,360 winning winning percentage. So yeah, I mean, but yeah, all these 757 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,599 teams they're like, oh yeah, I can really talk themselves into being like 758 00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,559 really good. So then some teams will have to fall back, and I 759 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:34,360 guess I'm just hoping semi competent me being a homer that the Bulls will end 760 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440 up hopefully get to six. I'd love to stay out of the play in 761 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:39,039 tournament obviously, if they end up seven or eight, that is in the 762 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:42,840 plane. At least give yourself a chance. If they do not at least 763 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,960 make the play in tournament, that would obviously be a huge disappointment. Like 764 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,440 I don't know if you have to worry about Zach maybe leaving if that doesn't 765 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,599 happen. But I mean, maybe disaster does strike. Like I said, 766 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,039 Hollinger had them, has them winning like thirty seven games, I think and 767 00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:58,719 finishing eleventh like that would be a complete disaster. I think they will be 768 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,519 better than that. He I know he was really down on the Droz and 769 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,880 move, really down on the defense and that kind of stuff. I think 770 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,039 he was down on their shooting as well in that article that he did. 771 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:08,559 So, like, I think they're gonna be better than that. I think 772 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:12,639 they should be all at least getting the mid forties. So I'm going over 773 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,320 hammer that over. I have not we have not done our over under spot 774 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,599 here yet. I have zero idea what to pick for the Bulls. I 775 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,599 just don't I see the arguments on both sides, and I don't know that 776 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:23,719 I love this team, but I look at the talent and I'm like, 777 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,039 you know, forty four wins feels like it's one of those lines that I'm 778 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,880 still thinking about after. Yeah, I think it's totally fair. Like I 779 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,239 said, I think they're definitely better than like the thirty seven that Holland as 780 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,400 in the mat But like if you think maybe they'll be like five hundred and 781 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,360 just with the East being like allegedly so much better, again, we'll see 782 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,400 how it plays out. A lot of a lot of things can change, 783 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480 but like, yeah, I've lose some close games. Also, a lot 784 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,559 of at the East ends up being like as good as expected or even better. 785 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:51,960 Like maybe they do go down more a bit in that pack of teams 786 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,159 and they end up like forty forty one, forty two, and maybe they 787 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,159 do get under Like I'm pretty confident they're gonna get out of the thirty win 788 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,760 mark because they were I think thirty one and forty one last year in the 789 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,239 shortened season, and that was with a lot of issues again and it was 790 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,079 a weird season. I think that in the talent level is just too much 791 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,800 barring injury. Of course, obviously, if someone gets hurt, that can 792 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,800 throw off everything. But as long as they're relatively hold, I feel like 793 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,840 their talent level is too much to not at least get into the forties with 794 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,800 wins and then again comes together nicely get into the forties maybe been high forties. 795 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960 That's everything goes great. I skipped this cookie cutter question for some reason. 796 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,760 Who's the player on this team most likely to be traded by the deadline 797 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,519 as of now? I know that can obviously change as the season. Yeah, 798 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:32,840 I mean I think, I mean it's probably Kobe White. I guess 799 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,119 we kind of mentioned that earlier. I mean, and also I don't want 800 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,400 to say, like Patrick Williams season is in a second season, But if 801 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,960 they want to think about doing something like huge, yeah, I guess in 802 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,480 that case you're trading maybe both of them, like Patrick Williams, Kobe White, 803 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:50,239 whatever draft offsets led if they want to try to make like another splash 804 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,719 move for who. I have no idea, but like, if they if 805 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,920 maybe if Pat isn't developing as you hope, and they're like, we want 806 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,599 to where they want to try to go all in even more, maybe you 807 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:04,679 trade Patrick Williams for a more proven player, but I think that is maybe 808 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,440 a bit out there. That's why I think I would probably say Kobe White 809 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,639 first, just because it seems like he is a bit like maybe as we 810 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,599 talked about, maybe doesn't have like a long term future on It seems at 811 00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,639 least Pet if anything, he's locked in right now as they're starting for just 812 00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,760 gotta show that he can be their long term guy there. But I think 813 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,559 they kind of think that he should be with Kobe after a couple of years 814 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,000 now, it's like, what is he going to be? Is he a 815 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,519 bench guy? He tops out at that like maybe trying to flip him into 816 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,039 something else, which is why I think i'd probably pick him first. I 817 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,480 mean, there are I guess there are other guys towards the end the roster 818 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:36,480 they could turnover as well, but out of the main guys, it's probably 819 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,440 Kobe and then maybe Patrick Willims. They if they're thinking big, if they 820 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,239 want to have a win now upgrade. I took the cop out route and 821 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,480 said Derrick Jordy Jr. Just because that nine million dollars salaries like perfect, 822 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:50,920 that's actually that's actually a really really good choice as well. I didn't even 823 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,840 think about that. Yeah, the expiring contract. If they want to flip, 824 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,760 just use him to get somebody else as well. Yeah, that's that's 825 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,480 that's a really good one. Is there any one on this roster or anything 826 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,519 else about this team? I didn't ask you about that. You think we 827 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:07,280 need to discuss I don't think so. Like I said, I think they're 828 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,239 gonna be very entertaining to watch. I think they should be really good offensively. 829 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,400 The defense could be just a big swing and just how good they actually 830 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,320 are. If they're like blow average mediocre defensively, maybe that is how they 831 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,679 end up having a disappointing season, they end lower end playing team, or 832 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,920 maybe somehow missed the plan. But if they are decent defensively, and that's 833 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,280 how they can get into a scenario where they're getting maybe the top four, 834 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:36,960 five, something like that, and then enough it's gonna be with Billy Donovan. 835 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,320 I guess we haven't talked about Billy much other than like he's got rotations 836 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,000 to figure out and all that stuff. I am is very curious he just 837 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,920 how he how he does work all these guys, because I mean last year, 838 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,440 it was just last year he started with a very young, a pretty 839 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,840 young team, and then there was a lot of turnover at the deadline, 840 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:57,199 with a weird seasons. He was trying to work stuff going there, work 841 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,360 them together, then didn't really work out, and now he's got this full 842 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,840 training camp with all these new players, trying to work this together, trying 843 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,840 to implement playing faster, playing smaller. He talked about how he thought that 844 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,599 they were too big of a team last season, So I think he does 845 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,320 seem like he's kind of in on playing like super small a lot. You 846 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,800 mentioned like Patrick Williams with four guards or like Moochs with four guards, Like, 847 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,679 I think he's kind of down to do that a lot. So how 848 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,800 he does and how he brings this team together, I think we'll also be 849 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,519 very interesting. So they if they buy in defensively and they can be decent 850 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,880 and the offense is as good as I think it can be in terms of 851 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,320 this ball movement, pushka pace, hopefully shooting well from three, they could 852 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,760 be a really dang good team. Besides that, like I don't think we've 853 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,760 touched on basically almost everybody I'm trying to think of. It is like I 854 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,519 haven't said anything about Matt Thomas end of bench guy who is but I really 855 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,320 have nothing to say about him. So I think we've basically hit on everybody. 856 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,800 He said, We'll just say it's it's just like I will say again 857 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,400 this new front office. I mentioned the guard Pack stink. They've like turned 858 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,039 over the roster, basically the entire roster from the gar Packs there. It's 859 00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:59,199 basically just now Zach and Kobe. I think the two guys left from the 860 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,239 old regime. I will say, like whatever you I get like the criticisms, 861 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,239 but like they're going like all maybe two all in on a roster next 862 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,679 doesn't have like this championship ceiling. They certainly don't this year. They're not 863 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,320 We're gonna win a championship this year. I said, maybe they win one 864 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,840 playoff series, maybe they get lucky can compete in a second on playoffs. 865 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,800 He's I don't think they're gonna do with the Hawks did last year and like 866 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,960 make these apparence finals. I mean maybe they maybe they just everything goes crazy 867 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,280 and they'd give a team and they somehow pull it off. I would not. 868 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,519 I still am not better than that, but I do just like that 869 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,159 they were aggressive again and they tried to make something happen here. I think 870 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:35,440 they did. I think they own market team, yeah, act like a 871 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,000 big market team. I think they owed it to Zach, who seems like 872 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,599 he wants to be here. Like I said, I like, if this 873 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,199 season goes like really off the rails, like I don't, I'm not really 874 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,320 sure if there's in danger of losing him. I mean, maybe he would 875 00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,800 want to go somewhere else he had the only experience. I'm sure guys were 876 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,000 in his ear, like, hey, if the Bulls stink this year, 877 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,679 comes signed with us. I mean he's always he said, all the right 878 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,480 things. The Bulls can offer him the most money. Uh So, I 879 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:00,960 think they just they owed it to Zach to be aggressive like this and to 880 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,639 show him that they were serious about building a team that could at least compete. 881 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,760 And this was a non championship caliber team this year. That doesn't mean 882 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,880 they can't be in like the next couple of years. I mean, you 883 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,920 never know what other moves they haven't have up their sleeves in the future, 884 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,360 Whether if Patrick Williams somehow develops into a really really good player, I mean 885 00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:21,079 him taking a leap could could be that difference, or if they do it, 886 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:22,920 pull off and trade for another really good player, another star player. 887 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,280 Maybe the next couple of years they are a title contender. So I think 888 00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,880 for this team where they've been, they've just been so bad. Worst record 889 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,320 in the NBA since Shame Jimmy Butler, worse than the Knicks, worse than 890 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,920 like the Kings or any of these other bad teams. They have had the 891 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,320 worst record in the NBA over the last four years. They got they gotta 892 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,039 get to a point where they're at least good and respectable first, and I 893 00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,599 think that's what they're trying to do here. And from that point, you 894 00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:49,119 then you hopefully Zachary signs, and then you hopefully take that next step in 895 00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:52,599 the next couple of years. So again, a lot of you're obviously hoping 896 00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,320 a lot of things. You're hoping this talent all much together. I liked 897 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,239 the gamble that they took. They give up a little too much maybe for 898 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,360 some of these guys probably, but had to do something. It was they 899 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,840 were just too they were just kind of they were kind of stuck and they 900 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,519 had to Sometimes you got to over overpay to get out of it. And 901 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,639 I guess what it also comes down to is a lot of people do subscribe 902 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:14,159 to like championship our bust mentality at this point, like I just can't do 903 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,719 it, Like I want to watch good basketball. I think the fact the 904 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,679 bolt, the guy, the guys the Bulls got, I think it should 905 00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:21,199 be fun. They should be pretty good and then at least is enough for 906 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,559 me right now, Like obviously after a while you do want to take that 907 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,679 next step. But I think for this season, what they did, I 908 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,199 think makes some sense. I like that they went for it, that they 909 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:32,960 acted like a big market team and just hoping it works out as this was 910 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,840 great. Thank you for giving me so much of your time. Are you 911 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,280 able to tell our listeners where they can find you and all of your work? 912 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,840 Yeah? Absolutely so. I mentioned my podcast Cash Considerations. I do 913 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,719 that with Rickie o'donald, part of the Blue Iron Network Fantastic game of the 914 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,440 podcast. But yeah, absolutely making I'd said, since they changed over the 915 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,159 h this regime because I was making fun of the old Sue, the old 916 00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,559 Bulls regime of guard packs and the cash Considerations and all that, and we 917 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,199 were joked out, maybe we should change our Never it's gonna stay Cashing Siderations 918 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,519 always. Yeah, check that out usually record like once or twice a week, 919 00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,320 obviously with the season ramping up here fun times for that. You can 920 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,360 find Bulls stuff for me at blog Estimations blog bull also over at Forbes, 921 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,519 and I also do editing stuff at Clutch Points. Go check out Clutch Points. 922 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,199 I'm sure some of you all know Clutch Points as crazy image place. 923 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,440 We like to do crazy graphics all that kind of stuff, so so go 924 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:27,360 check that out as well. And so let's basically it. Thank you so 925 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,360 much for having me man, This is great, no problem, and make 926 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,800 sure you guys are following Jason on Twitter. Great yet on my Twitter at 927 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,400 Bulls Underscore Jay spelled exactly as it sounds. I love the handles that I 928 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,719 don't have to spend out Jason, thank you so much for hopping on and 929 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,920 I'm sure I'll be pestering you again down the line. Absolutely, thanks for 930 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,519 having man,