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Jason pat the co host of the Cash Considerations podcast. Jason, thank you
so much for coming on the Hardwo Knox podcast. It talks some Chicago Bulls
with me. They were They didn't really have a controversial offseason. I think
everyone was in pretty agreement with how easy the decisions they made were and how
great of an offseason they had. So while there's not much to talk about,
I'm excited to talk about Bulls with you and all seriousness though. How
are you doing? I'm doing well just as well as the Bulls are apparently
a dominant preseason team three and zero. They finally did have a close game
the other night against the Cavs, but the first two games they crushed.
It is not used to be a little bit excited about the Bulls and obviously
joking about the controversy stuff, and we'll obviously get into that because they are
it seems like pretty polarizing, and it's nice that they are relevant at least
because they've been irrelevant for the last one number four or five years. So
even if they are polarizing and there are a lot of people that are kind
of down on them, whatever, I get it. The Bulls need to
prove it. It's just nice that they're actually being talked about like an all
in a way that's just like not completely horrible. So I'm looking forward to
the season getting started, especially after some of these preseason games have been really
fun to watch. Yeah, so I watched minimal preseason. I just can't
do it. I've only I've only watched Bulls. I don't think i've I
haven't watched a minute of any other preseason games. So I'm in the Bulls
because I got new guys and all that. But yeah, it's tough.
What might be an interesting change of pace is that they're no longer seems to
be like the national discourse of is Zach Lavine good anymore. Everything has just
been shifted to, oh, did the Bulls give up too much to have
demart Rosen on the rosters. So maybe that's one benefit of the off season
that they went through. Yeah right, yeah, I mean the Lavine thing
for sure. Like I feel like some people are still maybe a little late
coming around on him. I've I mean, obviously he deserved all the question
marks before, but he's gotten better every single season in Chicago. He was
awesome last year. I know, the record still wasn't very good, and
then like after the boos Witch trade, they didn't really do anything. That's
Levine got hurt. He had COVID and that just kind of that kind of
derailed the season. But like before that, his first half the year,
like he was keeping the roster afloat, a garbage roster basically, again,
it was like him and bad Young some Garrett Temple in there as well,
like we're the only guys really doing much of anything. And yeah, so
I think a lot of people are expecting that with more talent, for the
Bulls to look better, for Zec to finally get a bit more get more
shine here, and a lot of people I don't want to say that the
Bulls aren't gonna go to the finals. That he's not gonna take like the
Devin Booker track and like him and this team is gonna go to the finals.
But I think some people might start to at least recognize him being like
more on that level, on that Booker level, Donovan Mitchell, like those
peers, those guard peers, like, uh, he's with So hope,
like I said, hopefully it doesn't crash and burn here. But I think
Zach and play like he did last season he was just so ridiculously efficient.
Now he's got more still around him. The Team USA thing, he played
like really brilliant, solidious role on that with his defense, Hopefully that solid
defense will transfer over to the season and hopefully he'll just get the recognition that
he deserves. I think some people are still behind, some people are still
skeptical, which I do get. I still haven't won anything, but if
he does play like he did last year, he will start getting more more
of that recognition. So also, dribble three point shooting the past two years
has just been absolutely ridiculous. So Zach Lavine is good spicy takes here,
but that's not It's nice that it doesn't feel like that's as large of a
discussion was. More so what I'm saying, I'm curious though, as someone
who follows and covers the team more intimately, what do you just think about
their offseason in general, even when if you're not looking at it from a
fit if you just think even you said, it's nice that we're talking about
the Bulls and more relevant terms now, lots of people have just focused on
the opportunity cost of what they've given up to build this roster, dating back
to the foods trade with the Damados and sign and trade versus what are how
good can these Bulls actually be? So just where do you sort of land
on the decision making process that they've traveled down the past like six or eight
months. Yeah, I mean, just going back to the boots trade,
it wasn't think a bit much. I could think you would argue there was
a bit of an overpay there, but I mean, Booch is still really
good. Again, it didn't really pay off last year with the Lavine getting
hurt and getting COVID it just kind of totally nuke that. It was just
and just the weird season working in new guys. They had like no practice
time and all that. They just didn't. It just didn't work out down
the stretch. But I think now hopefully the training camp and all that,
obviously they're working in a bunch of new guys, Hopefully that will work out
better. Again, giving up two first round picks was a lot, but
the Bulls need to do something, I think at that point, I mean,
they just saw the ak and Mark Eversley did like nothing in the first
off seasons basically draft Patrick Williams, Sein Garrett Temple, and they were just
like, all right, we'll see what we got here. And they realized
very quickly what they had was crap. They traded one del Kurter junior.
They obviously they moved on from Lowry this off season. They just realized,
like this the young thing, like rebuilding with these young guys is just not
going anywhere. And with Zach Zack's free agency coming up next offseason, like
they had to show they meant business and they wouldn't get some better players around
him. So did they overpay for Russovitch Probably a little bit, But he
is really good. I mean, great three point shooter, great, good
passer. Obviously a low post scords because a verst of the offensive player.
Hopefully that will work out, and then going to this this offseason, obviously
they strike right with way with Lonzo. We're obviously still waiting on this tampering
investigation, like what's going on with there, Like they've been rumors that they
could lose a first round pick. We'll see. It's been my favorite conspiracy
theories that they chose getting the first round pick back and the lowry trade over
the lowry nancher in your trade because they're convinced that they're going to be fun
the first trad Because I mean, I mean, maybe it would be great
if that doesn't happen, but if they does, if they do lose that
first they obviously did get one back in the lowry trade, as you said,
but I mean Lonzo. I mean the fact that they were obviously in
on him last trade deadline, they were talking about like lowry for Alonzo.
Then they've been in on him for so long. It makes a lot of
sense. He fits well XZAC. He obviously had a best Seaver's career last
year. His three point shot has come around theoretically defensively should be really good.
He's been awesome in on defense and three season. We'll see if that
translates. I feel like with the Pelicans last Publicans was a weird team last
year, Like Lonzo was good, but every time I watched, like the
time the Bulls played them, that just like roasted them, like all the
time. Their defense was really bad for a while. So like I was
curious, it's like how good Lonzo is because I didn't watch them that much
so far. I mean, he's obviously got good size, He's been very
active. I think he had like four blocks and three steals in the last
game. So if he's gonna played defense like that, that's obviously huge.
And I'm sure we'll talk about the defense thing coming up here, because that's
one of the big question marks about them. But he's looked great so far.
The Crusoe deal great move, and they got him for the mid level
exception, I believe, and so far he's been awesome in preseason two.
So, like talking about defense, they knew they needed to add better defenders.
They add those two guys make a ton of sense. The Durosen thing
is obviously been super polarizing and when it first happened, and it was three
years he was reported three eighty five. I think it's actually like three eighty
two obviously whatever for a couple mentions everything. Yeah, exactly when I first
saw that, and like what they gave him, what they gave up definitely
some sticker shot going. They're like wow they because I mean there there were
the rumors and DeRos and recently address this. I think I think in a
condo like Sham's about uh, like people were saying like he might take like
the mid level to play with the Lakers, like the Clippers or something to
go home, and he was like, yeah, that was kind of disrespectful
because like that was just never gonna happen. But you do wonder like what
other teams were offering, Like were the Bulls just like did they totally outbid
themselves basically against themselves? You do wonder that. I do think the deal
is probably a bit much. And they also gave up a first there.
They gave up Dad Young. There were rumors that like Lowry thought he was
going to go to the Spurs in that deal, but he didn't. Again,
maybe they didn't want to do it because they thought maybe they could get
a first round pick for him, and they did get that first round pickbacks
and maybe uh, that's that was was going on there. But the derosen
thing like he brings, He definitely brings some stuff the table that will really
help the Bulls free He gets to the free throw line a lot. The
Bulls were dead last and free throw shooting last year. Just another guy who
can score in the half court. The Bulls have just relied so much on
Zach in the last couple of years to do much. And like, well,
he can hit some crazy shots sometimes, like at the end of games.
It was a lot of times it's just him playing hero ball and throwing
a garbage and sometimes it would go in because you can hit ridiculous shots,
but a lot of times it didn't. So having another's just and Drosen's gotten
so much better at passing as well, so having another smart passer that kind
of stuff. I know. He doesn't really shoot threes and that's a big
knock on him. He actually hit two the other night against the Calves.
Including how he gets it gets us as we see him hit like a couple
of three games like, oh is this this season? But yeah, like
I think offensively it'll be fine, Like I think with Lonzo, Zach Vouch
throws and Pagrick Limbs and the fifth starter once he's healthy. Like, you
got a bunch of guys who are pretty smart players. They can pass handle
the ball, playmaking, so hopefully ball movement, that pushing the pace stuff
like that we'll see. I know with like Vouch maybe not a push the
pace guy Drows maybe not as much either. Be like with the passing and
Liken, Zoe and Zaak got there, they're gonna look to push the pace
for sure. And Patrick Williams a young dude. He can get out there
and play some hit three pointers, push pace as well. Hopefully that will
work. The defense again, there are questions they they're actually number one in
defensive rating in preseason. It is preseason. That means like nothing they have
like a Lonzo has been like I mentioned, Lonz has been good defensively,
Crusoe has been huge. Derozen obviously defense is just not his thing. He'll
be playing a lot of small ball before like he did with I think,
like he did with the Spurs last year. He's had moments defensively in preseason,
be I don't want to say too much. Last game he also just
got blown off the dribble by Lowry market in which is never a good sign.
So like there will be those question marks, and like over a three
year deal, you're paying him whatever twenty seven million a year, Like did
they really have to give him that? I don't know. But overall,
just like I'm just happy that the Bulls they kind of went forward. You
could say, what are the exactly they going for? Like how good are
they actually gonna be? What is they're selling over the next couple of years?
Fair all fair questions, But they've just been so just since, such
a malaise, since trading Jimmy Butler. Even I mean even the last season
Belt with the three Offhans Era was was miserable to go through. And besides
think the two oh series leading as the Celtics that season was. That season
sucked. Besides Jimmy, like he'll blossom into a star basically, but they've
been such a malaise for so long. The guard packs stink has just been
on this team for so long. Just the fact that they'd kind of be
aggressive. They went out guys, they identified top targets and they actually got
them, which is nice to see how it actually like all comes together.
Obviously, big question marks, a lot of people have concerns. I'm definitely
like sipping some of the sea red kool aid. Being a bit of a
homer, I think that they should be at least they should definitely be a
playing team. I think they could definitely if things go right, they could
probably be like a four or five seed. But the Eastern Conference there's a
lot of decent teams there, so they could. Honestly, I could see
them finishing like fourth or even like ten. I woun't want to say they're
gonna finish eleventh like Hollinger has them and with like high thirties wins, but
I had them like pretty firmly like the mid forties and wins, and I
think that they could possibly even maybe be a little bit better than that.
But that could just be me being a homer and it's being excited about having
something in a root for But I think they really could be good offensively and
maybe better than people think defensively, so the offensive stuff. And I actually
didn't have a problem with what the actual roster ended up looking like as much
as most people. I think it was most of the order of operations that
got there. It's like, you probably don't have to give up a first
round pick in the Jamard Rosen sign and trade if you also have to get
off a Meno in that deal. So it's just like that was tough to
put. You look at the roster specifically, they should be really good offensively.
Do you have any idea of how they should be like staggering their top
four guys in Lonzo, Lavine, de Mar and Vouge because it does seem
like they're trying to juggle. I think DeMar's great because this team needed like
another real secondary creator. He's one of the best pick and roll pastors in
the game too at this point. But we've seen you already mentioned it.
Billy Donovan's talked about playing fast. I think Billy Donovan has also talked about
putting the ball more in Lonzo Ball's hands in the half court, which is
a weird thing to do based on what we've seen from him in the past
and knowing you have Lavigne, DeMar, and vouch. So how do you
sort of see this team like staggering those guys like they're like or just you
know, just making I guess, trying to actualize all these different visions that
they have with these guys there. Yeah, I mean, Billy has talked
about the need to stagger guys. Was just especially with the with the bench
units like they had, Like the bench is gonna be interesting just because like
they don't have that much like scoring juice off the bench. Kobe Whitz hurt
right now and obviously he'll be big as a bench guy. They got Crusoe,
and then the rest of the guys are all just kind of like versatile,
like forwards who I can't shoot, So they're gonna need some of that
offensive juice playing with the bench units. Like Yester. In the last game
against the Calves, Zach was it was like Zach and a bunch of bench
guys at the end of the first quarter. So I think we'll see a
lot of that. I mean, we might see a lot of Drozen with
the bench, depending on who comes. Like I had I had, I'd
have to look back to see how Za he's staggered the guys in the first
couple of games too. But I'm sure like one of Zach or Derozen will
come out midway through the first and then you bring them back one of those
guys back in for the start of the second. So it's one of those
guys with the bench, so they're leading leading the unit. I think Kobe,
the days of Kobe White like being a point guard probably are not gonna
with the balls at least with this scene, probably won't be a thing.
You got cru So to be that off the bench as well, Kobe will
be kind of a gunner to help score off the bench. And then obviously,
yeah, how they also do with Lonzo. You mentioned this stuff about
like Lonzo said at media day, like how always gonna be playing more like
traditional point guard. Like, I really don't know how much they're actually gonna
have him like be like here, Alonzo, here's the ball and going like
create half pre offense because that's just not his game. Like he's tried a
few times in pre season, and like he's had a few like step back
jumpers, and he had one really nice drive and finish the other night.
I did not see that much of the Pelicans gammage, knowing that they won
by forty against the Pelicans team playing like nobody, but so like I think
maybe they like trying to have him do a little more than he was doing
with New Orleans. He was obviously with New Orleans, he was like it
was a lot of just three and D point guard stuff that's we talked about.
So maybe they gave him a bit more responsibility if they have him playing
against second units. But obviously, just in general, based on his skill
set, he can't really drive and score for himself. He doesn't get to
the free throw line, So like Alonzo will be super important pushing pace and
transition, look aheads that kind of stuff. In terms of like half court
offense, I'm assuming they'll be mostly Zach and Derozen and they will. It
will be interesting. It's how Billy does stag at him, Like I said,
he said he's going to do it. It's just a matter of what
how he ends up doing those rotations. If he has like Zach Zach with
the bench, Morphy's Derozi with the bench more and then staggering a Lonzo and
Voots as well will be interesting. Would have been your early impressions of how
Caruso fits with this team? Oh, he's been awesome. Everything we've hoped
for. I know, like Lakers fans loved him. We had Anthony Irwin
on our pot a few weeks and cash considerations a few weeks ago, and
just like he was very upset that the Lakers let him go. I was
surprised the Lakers let him go, well, having the ability to keep him
like he just wasn't they just decided to let him go, right, Yeah,
yeah, they didn't want to pay it. Yeah. So yeah,
I mean he's been great. I mean this again, I don't want to
take too much for preseason results, but you just see the defensive effort.
I'll got a shout out my guys. Steph no did something on his his
patriot. I think it's his Patreon, just showing just like all the great
like the little things that it does defensively that you might not notice. He
just plays so hard, just going over I mean, especially like last year
Kobe White and Zach is a starting backcard defensive which is not good. Got
dying on screens. I'm just a difference between Kobe and like Caruso. Kobe
would always die on screens. Cruso is fighting through screens, getting in passing
lanes, getting deflections, and Lonzo has been the same way as well.
So just just the defensive intensity, and I mean he's been really good offensively
too. Actually, in the first game he had ten assists and he's been
one pushing pace, moving the ball around really well. So like obviously not
expecting m score scoring out of Alex Caruso, but in terms of being that
second un to point guard, and in terms of the defense given with the
rosters set up, because I mean Vouch isn't known as a defender, Zach
hasn't been known as a defender. He's better than he used to be,
still not known as a defender, drows and we talked about he's bad defensively.
Lonzo and Cruso with that perimeter defense, they're going to be needed.
And so far Cruso through the preseason so far as he's been awesome. So
he's been really fun. Kobe is still dealing with that shoulder injury, right,
yeah, he's not back until November. What is the you mentioned their
last like dearth of scoring off the bench, which would make sense like he's
important there, but like does this sort of you know, having Lonzo,
having Demuro's in having you're planning on keeping Zach Lavine obviously he does that like
hinder his long term future with this team or do you think they still view
him as part of that core? Yeah, I mean I have to think
it probably does. Like he could definitely still be useful, as I mentioned
as that bench gunner. I think that's a more useful role for him.
And when they tried him as a starting point guard last year, it just
did not work. He has games where he can go off scoring, but
just as a consistent point guard, it just was not working. Obviously,
he's still super young, but the Bulls just they speeding up their timeline.
They didn't have time to just stick with it, and they moved away from
him. He moved back to the bench last but he played. He started
playing a little better towards the end of the year as a starting point guard
when they had like when Voods got there. I think he having Boots there
really helped him. But just like you don't want to if you're trying to
be serious about winning games, you just don't know. Kobe wit can't be
your starting point guard. That's why they go get Lonzo Ball. At least
right now. Maybe Kobe does develop, probably with another team. Lonzo is
here, he's on a long term deal. He's young. You have Zach,
you have de Rosen. Like Kobe, watch is not going to get
many of those point guard reps. You can do it occasionally, but not
as your full time guy. So like in terms of his long term future
here, like for this season, I mean, you see him as the
bench gunner. I mean, I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they did
look to trade him at some point. I guess, well, I'm not
really sure you get for him right now, but I guess we'll see that.
That's why the injury was such a such a huge bummer, because like
he lost all his old off season and like now he is coming back to
a role that I think should be better for him. But I guess I'm
just not really sure that how he will work in the rotation. He'll obviously
get minutes next to Crusoe as that bench backward, but it will be interesting
to see just like how much he plays, and he's certainly not I still
can't like him as a franchise cornerston at this point anymore. It's still be
useful whether it's on this team as that bench scorer, as a trade ship.
Maybe somebody else wants to take a chance on him and try to develop
him as that as a point guard of the future type, but I can't
see how it happens here now with Lonzo Say actor Rosen Patrick Williams also injured,
although one of the rare occasions where the team was like super pessimistic about
his timeline for a return and it seems like he's just gonna shatter it.
It wasn't the timeline on it, like was it some ridicula like three months
or something, you know. So it was the first it came out like
a week after he got hurt, and they announced four to six weeks.
Then it was like, so it was like a month and a half.
But then like it was then clarified that oh, like the s Andrey actually
happened a week before we announced it, so like maybe he'll actually be back
from at the start of the season. And now he's apparently back at practice.
I think he played some five on five today and it sounds like there
might be a chance he plays in their last preseason game on Friday. So
if anything, he's like coming back like the very very front end of that
four to six months. I don't think I ever saw anything like three months.
I think that was super super pessimistic, but I mean there was concern
if he missed like the full six weeks and if it was from that initial
time, which was like, I think the end of September that he would
have missed gone, he would have missed time into November, and he would
have missed the first couple of weeks, which would also been a bummer because
second season, and he's got to learn how to play with the other starters
because he's a fifth starter. He's obviously super young. He didn't have a
normal training camp or whatever summer league last year, and a weird obviously rookie
season and now to miss out on this time, but it sounds like he
is basically gonna be back pretty soon here. If he doesn't play in the
last preseason game, it sounds like he'll probably be ready for opening night at
least next week, which is that's at least exciting. It seems like they've
and this is dating back to the last season, they've just decided that he's
going to be like one of the best wing defenders in basketball. It feels
like that's how they've treated him. Do you view him as a guy that's
capable of doing that? And also what is his like, is he ever
gonna get a chance to even try to branch out on offense? At this
point, you just look at the talent around him, It's like, well,
what is he supposed to do other than play off the ball right now,
right exactly defensively. Yeah, last year they basically put him on everybody,
like they tried him from like like Jannis to Lebron to Kawai to Devin
like they hadn't chasing Devin Booker one game and I think and Bookers absolutely destroyed
him. So like, I don't I don't want Patrick Williams like out there
guarding like two guards, Like I don't know if he's really that guy.
I mean, those bigger guys like Lebron and Kwai, he probably will be
match up against them. He does like kind of lack. I think the
he doesn't really have the best foot speed, which he could still in like
lateral movement. Was this that was kind of one of the knocks at him
coming out of Florida State that he's not always the quickest. So like guarding
those smaller guys really probably not the best thing. He said, Guarding Devin
Booker probably not what he should be doing, Like that should be like that
Alonzo guarding that type of guy, Caruso, even Zach as well, Petro
Williams probably not guarding maybe some of those bigger wings and also just playing around
the room as well and acting as a room protector. He's pretty good at
doing that. He's six at six nine, He's got pretty good instincts playing
off the ball like that, like we help side or week side like rim
protection. That kind of stuff. Was Booch not a really much of a
room protector. Booch is a he's a fine defender. He like he positioning
wise, he's decent, but obviously doesn't block when he shots. He's kind
of slow footed. So like having Pat there who kind of help in that
regard I think would be good and he can. Definitely he'll definitely get some
of those tough wing assignments, but like I said, definitely don't really want
him running around like guarding Devin Booker regarding like point guards, quick two guards.
But and then offensively, Yeah, because that was one of in Summer
League, the Bulls did put the ball in his hands a ton and like
he was like, Hey, you're gonna go run this offense, get a
bunch of shots, and he had He looked really good at times. Other
times the efficiency wasn't there on this team when you're trying to win games.
I just don't think he'll probably get that many opportunities. Like he'll probably get
some maybe when you are like staggering guys, and if he's playing with bench
units, maybe you do give him some pick and roll chances opportunities like that.
But he's just not gonna get that many opportunities when you have Zach Rose
and a Lonzo, when you get Kobe White back like so he's probably gonna
be a spot up guy. So I think this is the key is to
him to be aggressive when he does get those opportunities. He shot I'm very
low volume, a really solid a percentage from three. I think it was
like thirty eight thirty nine percent something like that. So he didn't have a
pretty decent, like nice hierarchy three point shot. Too many times he would
get a little too passive though pass up shots, wouldn't be aggressive enough when
he did get those opportunities. So he's got to be able to hit those
open threes, tack closeouts, tack offensive check the offensive glass cutting. He's
a pretty good cutter, smart cutter when he has those chances when the when
that ball's moving around, when you have good pastors like Damar with Blonzo and
Booch like those guys can he will hit him for passes if he's and catch
guys napping off on the other side or off cuts like that. So he
will have to be opportunist, opportunistic with his offense. Uh and maybe somewhere
down the line, maybe he does develop into a branch out that offense,
like you said, but for now he'll be mostly off ball. He'll have
to be opportunists with those chances. What is their backup five rotation gonna look
like? And it's this is just really my way of asking, Like,
they seem like they're built to get weird with the backup five rotation, and
are they going to lean into that where maybe we see some like DJJ at
the five. Yeah, So they signed to Tony Bradley. He has not
played in preseason. We might see a lot of Aliza Johnson as the backup
five. He's been kind of doing that in preseason and he's looked pretty good.
He is small. We saw six seven, right, six seven,
he's sixty seven. Like. He tries zass off and all that, which
is great. He's credible rebound or like, and that's continued in his limited
minutes with the Nets last year, and his permanent rebounding was insane, and
that has continued into preseason. I think he had like eleven rebounds in like
eighteen or nineteen minutes I think in the last game against the Calves, and
that he did that earlier in the preseason as well. But he is he
is undersized. He didn't get have fouled trouble, probably an issue. I
mentioned Evan Mobley just took him to school in the posts a few times just
because too small. But I think there will be occasions where you do see
alsay, like we'll see about Tony Bradley once he gets worked in the rotation
DJJ possibly, I'm assuming DJJ will be their backup four probably, I mean
maybe they It might be between like him and Alsa and then Bradley. Those
three guys will be like the main backup big guys. I know Stanley Johnson
is on the roster. He played like a bunch of backup five with the
Raps last year, But I don't know if he's gonna make the team or
not, because he has a non I think, or maybe a partial guarante.
I can't remember exactly what kind of guarantee as I think Alsa is not
fully guarantee either, but I think Alsa is making the team for sure.
Stanley has not look good in preseason, but I know, like if he
does make the team, like they could get weird to go if there are
injuries, especially maybe they go weird weird with him at the five. Maybe
they go Patrick Williams at the five sometimes as well. So they do it.
They just had like a lot of again, a lot of dudes that
are like six seven to like six nine or even like six six third June
Junior. I guess it's like six five. I always forget that he's like
that. He's not like six eight, He's only like six five. They
have a lot of the six five, like six nine wing athletic wings who
can play maybe three through five. If they do get like really funky and
want to play super small and really fast. So it will be really interesting
to see how Billy works out those rotations and in certain matchups they do want
to go super small and stuff like that, so it would be interesting.
How's Javonte Greene assured himself a spot in the rotation due to defending fours in
the preseason from what i'd team he blocked. He blocked Evan Mobile multiple times.
Other times Mobile looked much better in this in the second Bulls Cavs game,
but he's stoned Mobile and Marketing multiple times. In the post. He
tries really hard. He's only like six fourth way he's been taking Patrick Williams
Spott. I don't know if he'll like have like a set spot in the
rotation, but I think there will be definitely be times where he is going
to be like, hey, if the Bulls need to spark, we are
putting Javonte Green in this game. I mean maybe he does. I mean
maybe he's in front of Derek Jones as the backup four or I guess backup
three was Troy Brown Junior is there as well. On the wing, He's
been okay. He had three threes in the first game, has been kind
of quiet since then. So like again, that's again, Troy Brown's another
like six seven six, I think six six six seven win forward, versatile
kind of dude who can't really shoot either. So like how they work out
all his minutes with Green, Brown with Jones, with Bradley, with Alisa
Johnson. If Stanley Johns makes team how they worked that ou would kind of
be fascinating. But Javonte in that first three season game was really awesome.
Like I said, he's kind of come back down to earth a bit.
He all, after all, he is still just Javonte Green, no no
offense to him, but like he is like a role player, a bit
role player. He's not gonna wasn't gonna have like huge games all the time
that he did, but he at least like at the end of last season,
like he also had some really nice flashes where the energy, the athleticism,
and that goes back into playing fast if you're looking to speed teams up
and looking for some defensive pressure, some wing pressure, even some post defense
like he's been giving it. So I don't know if he's gonna have a
definite spot in the rotation, but he's definitely opened some eyes at least this
preseason play what what do you think this team can be on defense? And
they were like average after the Booge trade. But that's what the caveat Lavine
missing a lot of time probably helps that even though he's improved and you just
they're gonna be minutes where they play vooch and Demardozen and Lavine together pretty extensively,
and it just feels like that could is like is the path to them
over achieving on defense, like playing super aggressively. Is there something that they
could do? Like does this team have a realistic chance of being a league
average defense? Yeah, so you mentioned they were like average defensively last year
they were twelve. Obviously the lot that's really close. A lot of teams
kind of mixed in there, like a few points here there, like you
can trap a bit, but like I am hoping for league average defense.
They see bless his hard like this. I think it was the second preseason
game, was like, oh, they could be a top five defense,
and I was just like, oh, let's let's let's let's hill out here
for a second, Like, yeah, they've looked good in preseason against the
Calves and against the Pelicans without Zion, without branding, Yeah, you can
look good against those teams. And I mentioned they are first right now in
like preseason defensive brandings. They played again the Calves twice. One of those
games this last game no Darius Scarland, no context, and they played the
Pelicans without their two best offensive players, Like you can look good doing that
I think a lot of it. We're forcing turnovers. I mentioned how deflection
steals blocks. They've racked those up big times. So like like Lonzo and
Cruise are gonna be huge there. Patrick Williams, how he develops, is
gonna be huge there. So they're gonna be banking a lot on those guys,
maybe even Javonte Green, maybe like Alsa Johnson, whoever. They these
athletic guys off the bench, they are gonna be banking on them. And
Lavine's improvement because Drozen is what he is, He's not gonna be a good
defensively. I mean maybe he gives a crap enough where it's like enough,
and Vooch is the same same way, which at least has like quick hands.
His position I mentioned is decent. So you hope that like they're just
not awful, and that Crusoe and Lonzo just like rereak so much havoc on
the perimeter that it is like that it just makes life difficult for those guys,
and it just kind of cuts off teams offenses, especially against bad teams,
so they can only shut down bad teams and then good teams will probably
just take advantage of them sometimes and it will be nights where they just look
absolutely awful. It's because their personnel isn't totally that great. But I think
if they do force turnovers like we have seen they've had again caveats preseason opponents,
all that they have forced like double digit steals, and all these games
they have been very active hands and Lonzo has been racking up seals, Crusoe
has done it, Green Chavantic Greens done it, Food Chief and at three
steals the other day. If they can do that and force those turnovers,
that can kind of help make up for some of the lack of the interior
room protection and then just some of those weaker defenders. Again, that's I
think the path to get to an average defense. Like I said, if
they finish, if they finished in the top half of the league defensively,
I think that'd be huge because they do think they're often should be hopefully in
the top ten. So if you're looking at a top ten offense and then
a league average defense, that's a team that could hopefully win mid forties in
games and either hopefully avoid the play or at least be one of like whatever
sixth, seven or eight or something like that. This question is always a
little matchup dependent. But what do you view or what do you think should
be there go to closing unit this season? Is it just the starting lineup
or are you subbing out someone there to put in Caruso to make sure he's
on the floor. Yeah, I think the popular lineup is probably subbing Pad
out when he's healthy and putting Crusoe in and just going Cruso, Crusoe,
Alonz and you put move a throws in the four and you got Crusoe,
Alonzo, Zach, Droz and Vouch. I think is gonna be pretty popular
closing go to lineup for them. Some of this could depend on how Pat
develops, Like if he is somehow really good and he just fits really well,
it might just be that starting lineup. There might be nights where Kobe
closes if he's got got really going, like from beyond the three point line,
you just want to ride the hot hand. I could see him being
in there instead of instead of Pat, maybe instead of a Lonzo. But
I do think they really like having Lonzo out there just for the defensive stuff,
So that might be again Pat or even de Rosa. I mean,
I guess you're probably not benching those top four guys. A lot of it
just comes on to like is Pat gonna be in the closing lineup or is
it gonna be Crusoe or is it gonna be Kobe White once he gets healthy.
So I mentioned I think the Crusoe thing and Cruiso probably gonna get a
ton minutes. Was they just gonna need his defense they need and he's just
a smart player offensively as well, So I think that's probably gonna be the
popular one. Again, We'll see how Pat does, if he can work
his way into closing games, and then maybe some Kobe White. Maybe there
will be other nights where if somebody else really has it going, maybe they
do close. Someone else closes games obviously when there's injuries, when there's foul
trouble, something like that. But yeah, I think it's Crusoe and Kovid
the two main guys off the bench, and the rest is kind of question
marks. So we'll see. I'm really looking forward to the Crusoe closing line
up there was they did throw it out there. The other that first game
against the Calves was when they really kind of blew open that first game,
like it was pretty competitive, like the first quarter Core and a half.
Those who got Crusoe came in for Jontay Green with and it was that that
five men rotation. They blew out the lead like twenty They were doing showtime.
They were running up and down the court, Zach was throwing down Elliott
dunks. That was a lot of fun. So I'm hoping that's the kind
of stuff we see with with that lineup. Does Donovan have like the gall
to pull De Rosen in those situations? I don't know. I said that,
and then I'm like, would he really do that? I mean maybe,
but I don't know if he'd be happy about that. Like I could
see them if there were times where like if he's struggling defensively, not that
like Kobe White's a great defender, but if he struggled defensively, like maybe
they put Crusoe in for him and you keep Pat out there and it's Crusoe,
Lonzo, Zach, Pat and Booch. I mean, I could maybe
see that. Or if they do want to go super small, you just
and you go like Crusoe, Lonzo, De Rosen, Lavigne and like Pat
Williams at the five like they I mean, they could get super funcky and
super small and super fast at some of these lineups, So it could be
really funny. And at the very least, even if even if they're not
good, like if they disappoint and they're not good, it should be it
would be a bummer. I think they should at least be very entertaining in
the way they play. See pulling de Rosen was like my first instinct if
they needed defense, But I do think having another ball handler there and I
think they're like late games scoring this again to take that pressure off Zack.
I think it's where Drozen especial when the game slows down, that they Drosen
will probably be out there, but there could be nights if he just doesn't
have it, or if he really is just getting crushed defensively, then I
could see them maybe going in a different direction. You might have already mentioned
it, but is there a weird, odd ball out of left field line
up you really want them to try this season? Yeah? I mean I
think I did kind of mention like I could would like to see them maybe
try pet Petrick Williams playing the five with who else I don't know obviously who
five is gonna getting a lot of minutes but again, if you certain matchups
of other teams are going smaller, if you want to force teams to go
really small, throw Petick Williams out there at the five. Like I said,
maybe Crusoe, Zach, Lonzo, Derozen and Pat. Maybe you work
in Kobe Whitten instead of one of those guys. Maybe you have someone else
instead of Drozen at the four. I would like to see Pat maybe get
some minutes at the five. I mentioned that like his room protection is pretty
solid for like what he is, that's something he could continue to get better
at. And again that would just make for some really I think you could
get some pretty crazy lineups going there. So something like that, I guess
any of those guys, I mean, just if you want to play some
super small ball, if Foods doesn't have it, or they like defensively,
like they're really struggling because he's like really struggling defensively because they're they're gonna they're
gonna drop most likely with him because he just doesn't have the foot speed trap
guys. So like yeah, if there if there are times where like the
Bulls want to start to go trap on defense, be a bit more aggressive
on defense, just super downsize and see if they can just get aggressive four
steals and do that kind of stuff they could, Uh, it could be
interesting. Mine was I want to see Patrick Williams with basically four guards.
Give me Lonzo Carrussoau Green and Levine with Patrick Williams. There what happens.
I wanted. I really wanted to find a way to work Troy Brown Junior
into that lineup slash into this podcast because I was so he had like flashes
with the Bulls when he traded their last year. But it feels like very
much the idea of Troy Brown Junior at this point is just outstripping me.
The actual Troy Brown Junior. Yeah, he had some really nice just like
hustle players last year, I know, and with like the Wizards, I
think he like they tried him out of point guard like a little bit in
like his first or second season. So it's like, oh, like maybe
Troy Brown Junior could be like another his ball handler, strong defender, like
I know he guarded I think Kyrie decently well in a game last year,
so like decent, like another energy like guy off the bench. But the
shoot thing with him is the shooting, which I mean that's so many guys
like that where that's just like swing skill, Like can you at least make
an open jumper like thirty at league average rade? So far, he has
not done that in his career. I mentioned he mentioned he or I mentioned
that he hit a few in that first Recas game. I think the last
game, I think he was like, oh for three. So the lack
of a consistent jumper, I think is what is one thing definitely hurting him
from like maybe having a definite spot in this rotation. Like I would like
to see him get some minutes. It would be nice to see him bloss
him into a key rotation player off the bench, see him. They have
so many of these wings, and that's something they haven't had in recent recent
years. They just like haven't had playable wings. I mean they've been playing
Denzel Valentine and Chandler Hudgerson. It like real wing minutes in recent years.
It's like these guys stink. You're hoping that these guys they brought in,
they got Chavante now, Troy Brown junior, Derek Jones junior, guys like
that can be better than what those those guys in the past have given.
I guess the problem is allot of them just that can't shoot, so like
they're versatile athletic players, just can't really shoot there. Really the Bulls are
banking on the top seven just taking care of that shooting. So yeah,
I'll be interesting with Tory Brown. Like I like the idea of it.
I like getting him in that trade because that was what was that trade?
That was like the Gafford trade which would included Daniel Tie. I can't remember
what that all that all that mess was, but I think it was a
nice like guy to take a gamble on like maybe he killed silk can provide
some some strong minutes there, but nothing guaranteed for sure, because hey,
I just I think with him, it's again it's the shooting. You can
get that shooting up to league average, maybe a little better. Just hit
open corner three's play hard defense. There could be a spot in the rotation
for him. They didn't send you. There's the outline. I forgot what
did you think of the io to see move pick? Oh? I mean
I'm an Illinois guy. I went to Illinois. I watched it on my
basketball ton so like I thought it was cool. I mean, just staying
home he's a Chicago guy. It was somewhat controversial on Bulls Twitter just because
a lot of Bulls people or a lot of Bulls Twitter wanted Shreeve Cooper because
Strive Cooper fell super far. A lot of people were wondering, like why
is why is this? He's arguably like the best passer in the draft,
Like, obviously he's super short. I think he had the shooting issues.
I think he shooting issues, yeah, like big time. Yeah. But
he looked awesome in summer league, and I think he's done pretty well in
preseason from what I've seen. Again, I haven't followed too much of other
teams preseason actions so far, but so a lot of there was this argument
between like those two. I mean there were I think Jared Butler might have
gone after Iowa as well from Baylor, and I think that was another guy
like oh, maybe they should have taken him instead, but like whatever,
I simply people like we're mocking Io late in the first round. Before the
draft. He had an awesome year, awesome career at Illinois, not end
well with the lost oil. Maybe one of his worst games of his college
career came at the worst possible time, but I mean, he's a stone
cold clutch killer at Illinois showed that actually in the last preseason game hit some
really clutch shots against the Calves to help beat them. His shooting definitely is
something that he'll have to work on. He did get better over the course
of his college career, but he did hit a three the other night too.
But if he can, I think he might make his hay. Defensively,
he has a really he's really long. I think he's got almost seventh
for wingspanning. So if he's another guy like he probably won't play much as
a rookie, hopefully get some time in the G League with the Winnie City
Bulls, but if he can be a guy who can develop a shot a
bit, play really hard defensively. Again, that's another just wing dude with
some questionable shooting there on the wing for the Bulls, but he could have
a decent career. Like I said, I mean, when you're picking it,
whatever's that thirty eight, he never really are expecting home runs. But
I think he was a borderline for arguable first round talent. You get him
at at thirty eight or whatever, And as a Chicago, Illinois guy,
I can't complain about the pick at all. I was decided to see him
win the game for the Bulls the other night. So hopefully he develops,
hopefully get some G League time. Maybe he'll see if there's injuries. I
hope they're not injuries, but maybe he'll be able to show some stuff with
the actual Bulls. But since the Bulls are trying to win games this season,
probably probably better that he is not playing real minutes, Like if you
get some spot minutes here and there, that'd be fine. But hopefully he's
able to show something in the leagues I'd love to see. I love to
seeing Illinois guy do really well in the NBA, and especially for the Bulls,
that'd be really cool. As we record this, they're over under win
totalist at at forty three point five. Are you going over under on that?
You mentioned where they could finish in the East, and I tend to
agree with you, and I'll say it. I could see them finishing anywhere
between fourth and eleventh, just like any other team that I would say could
fish fourth and eleven. Where do you think they ultimately wind up in the
bigger picture of the East? Yeah, I'm pretty confident saying that they'll get
forty five wins, So I think around forty five maybe maybe if things go
like really right, they get to like forty seven, high forties. On
pot my podcast with Richio Donald and Cash Considerations, like a few weeks ago,
when the schedule first came out, we went through each game and like
picked win loss, I somehow got to fifty wins. That obviously that is
I don't think that's gonna happen, like that's that is high. I guess
if they like if everything really comes together and they're like better defensively, maybe
they make another in season like trade upgrade something like that. Maybe maybe and
like that really works out, Like maybe they can't get the fifty. I
would not bet on them getting the fifty wins. Like I said, I'm
pretty comfortable on on the this over yeah, getting getting to like mid forties,
like forty five forty six, I think they can do that. And
I said forty five forty six hopefully gets you five or six something like that.
Again, with the East, there's such a jumble once you get past
Brooklyn, I mean Brooklyn even without Pryrie, whatever the heck's going on there,
Like they're still gonna be awesome. The Bucks are gonna be awesome.
And then after that you got Miami, Boston and then I mean and then
like that, whatever the Knicks, the Hawks, like the Bulls, the
Pacers, We'll see how they are. I go, all these teams always
jumble Out'll see what the raptors. Yeah, we'll see like how all these
teams do, because I mean, depending on injuries, you never know how
that's gonna go, and all this kind of stuff. Like a lot of
these teams could just kind of the hornets hornets, like they could finish like
you've mentioned, like so up to like four three, I feel like Miami
should probably be pretty firm in or maybe Boston something like that. But from
Atlanta in front over, yeah, I guess Atlanta to yeah, Atlanta still
dead and they were I keep forgetting this how good Atlanta was from the time
they fired Lloyd Piers all the way these tournament finals. They had a ridiculous
winning winning percentage. So yeah, I mean, but yeah, all these
teams they're like, oh yeah, I can really talk themselves into being like
really good. So then some teams will have to fall back, and I
guess I'm just hoping semi competent me being a homer that the Bulls will end
up hopefully get to six. I'd love to stay out of the play in
tournament obviously, if they end up seven or eight, that is in the
plane. At least give yourself a chance. If they do not at least
make the play in tournament, that would obviously be a huge disappointment. Like
I don't know if you have to worry about Zach maybe leaving if that doesn't
happen. But I mean, maybe disaster does strike. Like I said,
Hollinger had them, has them winning like thirty seven games, I think and
finishing eleventh like that would be a complete disaster. I think they will be
better than that. He I know he was really down on the Droz and
move, really down on the defense and that kind of stuff. I think
he was down on their shooting as well in that article that he did.
So, like, I think they're gonna be better than that. I think
they should be all at least getting the mid forties. So I'm going over
hammer that over. I have not we have not done our over under spot
here yet. I have zero idea what to pick for the Bulls. I
just don't I see the arguments on both sides, and I don't know that
I love this team, but I look at the talent and I'm like,
you know, forty four wins feels like it's one of those lines that I'm
still thinking about after. Yeah, I think it's totally fair. Like I
said, I think they're definitely better than like the thirty seven that Holland as
in the mat But like if you think maybe they'll be like five hundred and
just with the East being like allegedly so much better, again, we'll see
how it plays out. A lot of a lot of things can change,
but like, yeah, I've lose some close games. Also, a lot
of at the East ends up being like as good as expected or even better.
Like maybe they do go down more a bit in that pack of teams
and they end up like forty forty one, forty two, and maybe they
do get under Like I'm pretty confident they're gonna get out of the thirty win
mark because they were I think thirty one and forty one last year in the
shortened season, and that was with a lot of issues again and it was
a weird season. I think that in the talent level is just too much
barring injury. Of course, obviously, if someone gets hurt, that can
throw off everything. But as long as they're relatively hold, I feel like
their talent level is too much to not at least get into the forties with
wins and then again comes together nicely get into the forties maybe been high forties.
That's everything goes great. I skipped this cookie cutter question for some reason.
Who's the player on this team most likely to be traded by the deadline
as of now? I know that can obviously change as the season. Yeah,
I mean I think, I mean it's probably Kobe White. I guess
we kind of mentioned that earlier. I mean, and also I don't want
to say, like Patrick Williams season is in a second season, But if
they want to think about doing something like huge, yeah, I guess in
that case you're trading maybe both of them, like Patrick Williams, Kobe White,
whatever draft offsets led if they want to try to make like another splash
move for who. I have no idea, but like, if they if
maybe if Pat isn't developing as you hope, and they're like, we want
to where they want to try to go all in even more, maybe you
trade Patrick Williams for a more proven player, but I think that is maybe
a bit out there. That's why I think I would probably say Kobe White
first, just because it seems like he is a bit like maybe as we
talked about, maybe doesn't have like a long term future on It seems at
least Pet if anything, he's locked in right now as they're starting for just
gotta show that he can be their long term guy there. But I think
they kind of think that he should be with Kobe after a couple of years
now, it's like, what is he going to be? Is he a
bench guy? He tops out at that like maybe trying to flip him into
something else, which is why I think i'd probably pick him first. I
mean, there are I guess there are other guys towards the end the roster
they could turnover as well, but out of the main guys, it's probably
Kobe and then maybe Patrick Willims. They if they're thinking big, if they
want to have a win now upgrade. I took the cop out route and
said Derrick Jordy Jr. Just because that nine million dollars salaries like perfect,
that's actually that's actually a really really good choice as well. I didn't even
think about that. Yeah, the expiring contract. If they want to flip,
just use him to get somebody else as well. Yeah, that's that's
that's a really good one. Is there any one on this roster or anything
else about this team? I didn't ask you about that. You think we
need to discuss I don't think so. Like I said, I think they're
gonna be very entertaining to watch. I think they should be really good offensively.
The defense could be just a big swing and just how good they actually
are. If they're like blow average mediocre defensively, maybe that is how they
end up having a disappointing season, they end lower end playing team, or
maybe somehow missed the plan. But if they are decent defensively, and that's
how they can get into a scenario where they're getting maybe the top four,
five, something like that, and then enough it's gonna be with Billy Donovan.
I guess we haven't talked about Billy much other than like he's got rotations
to figure out and all that stuff. I am is very curious he just
how he how he does work all these guys, because I mean last year,
it was just last year he started with a very young, a pretty
young team, and then there was a lot of turnover at the deadline,
with a weird seasons. He was trying to work stuff going there, work
them together, then didn't really work out, and now he's got this full
training camp with all these new players, trying to work this together, trying
to implement playing faster, playing smaller. He talked about how he thought that
they were too big of a team last season, So I think he does
seem like he's kind of in on playing like super small a lot. You
mentioned like Patrick Williams with four guards or like Moochs with four guards, Like,
I think he's kind of down to do that a lot. So how
he does and how he brings this team together, I think we'll also be
very interesting. So they if they buy in defensively and they can be decent
and the offense is as good as I think it can be in terms of
this ball movement, pushka pace, hopefully shooting well from three, they could
be a really dang good team. Besides that, like I don't think we've
touched on basically almost everybody I'm trying to think of. It is like I
haven't said anything about Matt Thomas end of bench guy who is but I really
have nothing to say about him. So I think we've basically hit on everybody.
He said, We'll just say it's it's just like I will say again
this new front office. I mentioned the guard Pack stink. They've like turned
over the roster, basically the entire roster from the gar Packs there. It's
basically just now Zach and Kobe. I think the two guys left from the
old regime. I will say, like whatever you I get like the criticisms,
but like they're going like all maybe two all in on a roster next
doesn't have like this championship ceiling. They certainly don't this year. They're not
We're gonna win a championship this year. I said, maybe they win one
playoff series, maybe they get lucky can compete in a second on playoffs.
He's I don't think they're gonna do with the Hawks did last year and like
make these apparence finals. I mean maybe they maybe they just everything goes crazy
and they'd give a team and they somehow pull it off. I would not.
I still am not better than that, but I do just like that
they were aggressive again and they tried to make something happen here. I think
they did. I think they own market team, yeah, act like a
big market team. I think they owed it to Zach, who seems like
he wants to be here. Like I said, I like, if this
season goes like really off the rails, like I don't, I'm not really
sure if there's in danger of losing him. I mean, maybe he would
want to go somewhere else he had the only experience. I'm sure guys were
in his ear, like, hey, if the Bulls stink this year,
comes signed with us. I mean he's always he said, all the right
things. The Bulls can offer him the most money. Uh So, I
think they just they owed it to Zach to be aggressive like this and to
show him that they were serious about building a team that could at least compete.
And this was a non championship caliber team this year. That doesn't mean
they can't be in like the next couple of years. I mean, you
never know what other moves they haven't have up their sleeves in the future,
Whether if Patrick Williams somehow develops into a really really good player, I mean
him taking a leap could could be that difference, or if they do it,
pull off and trade for another really good player, another star player.
Maybe the next couple of years they are a title contender. So I think
for this team where they've been, they've just been so bad. Worst record
in the NBA since Shame Jimmy Butler, worse than the Knicks, worse than
like the Kings or any of these other bad teams. They have had the
worst record in the NBA over the last four years. They got they gotta
get to a point where they're at least good and respectable first, and I
think that's what they're trying to do here. And from that point, you
then you hopefully Zachary signs, and then you hopefully take that next step in
the next couple of years. So again, a lot of you're obviously hoping
a lot of things. You're hoping this talent all much together. I liked
the gamble that they took. They give up a little too much maybe for
some of these guys probably, but had to do something. It was they
were just too they were just kind of they were kind of stuck and they
had to Sometimes you got to over overpay to get out of it. And
I guess what it also comes down to is a lot of people do subscribe
to like championship our bust mentality at this point, like I just can't do
it, Like I want to watch good basketball. I think the fact the
bolt, the guy, the guys the Bulls got, I think it should
be fun. They should be pretty good and then at least is enough for
me right now, Like obviously after a while you do want to take that
next step. But I think for this season, what they did, I
think makes some sense. I like that they went for it, that they
acted like a big market team and just hoping it works out as this was
great. Thank you for giving me so much of your time. Are you
able to tell our listeners where they can find you and all of your work?
Yeah? Absolutely so. I mentioned my podcast Cash Considerations. I do
that with Rickie o'donald, part of the Blue Iron Network Fantastic game of the
podcast. But yeah, absolutely making I'd said, since they changed over the
h this regime because I was making fun of the old Sue, the old
Bulls regime of guard packs and the cash Considerations and all that, and we
were joked out, maybe we should change our Never it's gonna stay Cashing Siderations
always. Yeah, check that out usually record like once or twice a week,
obviously with the season ramping up here fun times for that. You can
find Bulls stuff for me at blog Estimations blog bull also over at Forbes,
and I also do editing stuff at Clutch Points. Go check out Clutch Points.
I'm sure some of you all know Clutch Points as crazy image place.
We like to do crazy graphics all that kind of stuff, so so go
check that out as well. And so let's basically it. Thank you so
much for having me man, This is great, no problem, and make
sure you guys are following Jason on Twitter. Great yet on my Twitter at
Bulls Underscore Jay spelled exactly as it sounds. I love the handles that I
don't have to spend out Jason, thank you so much for hopping on and
I'm sure I'll be pestering you again down the line. Absolutely, thanks for
having man,