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Hey, everybuddy, and welcome to
Life is a Gamble. This is episode

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number nine, Sheriff AP. Sheriff
AP has an origin story like no other

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I've heard, and must have amazing
intestinal fortitude because what he went through in

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the beginning of his career as a
professional gambler I think would have left many

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people in the dust quitting and not
coming back. I'm also kind of astounded

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that his wife didn't protest vehemently and
try to get him to stop as well.

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So he has a pretty crazy story
and we will get to it right

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now. Sheriff AP, Welcome to
life is a gamble. Great, thanks

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for having me. It's great to
finally talk to you. I've always listened

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to You're Gambling with an Edge stuff
in the past, and it's a huge

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honor. I can't believe I'm talking
to you because a lot of my past

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five years of my career has been
inspired by a lot of your content.

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Oh well, thank you. That's
always nice to hear. But you had

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quite an unusual story, and that's
what I want to jump into, So

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let's start with you. At some
point decided to take up counting cards for

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a living, right, that's right. Yeah, six years ago. Yeah,

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and in the beginning, how did
that go for you? In the

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beginning, it was a very rocky
It was a lot of training and unexpected

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ups and downs. And after I
met the right people who were able to

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test me out, it kind of
excelled me into my career and where I

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realized I could keep doing this for
quite some time more than just a hobby.

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At some point, you had this
incident that I want to get into

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involving your car, So can we
can we just go to that and maybe

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you can set the scene with us
You were with your whole family, right,

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sure. Yeah. I've had a
lot of incidents with cars, so

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I trying to make sure I know
which specific one you're talking about, because

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the nature of the businesses, you're
always on the road, and I've had

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a lot of car situations. This
one was a big disaster. Okay.

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Yeah, that was in twenty twenty. You were in the process of moving

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across the country, my wife and
my two kids, and we were in

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the middle of a long road trip. I'd stopped at three casinos in northern

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California and we were driving all the
way to southern California. Stopped at one

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place there and then we were headed
for Vegas was our final destination, and

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Barstow, the little town right before
you hit that long desert drive before Vegas.

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It was like ten thirty pm.
We got blindsided by a guy who

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was out of the influence and rolled
the car. It terrified. The airbags

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deployed, and the longest two or
three seconds of my life, it felt

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like forever, was when I was
turning around to check the back seat to

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see if the kids were okay,
and they were shaking up. One was

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crying, but they were fine.
How many how many kids do you have?

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Just too? I have seven year
old and a ten year old?

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Okay, So so literally you get
smashed and the car flips over with your

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kids and your wife in it or
sorry, it didn't completely flip over,

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it did like a seven twenty on
the road. It clipped back right passenger

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side and the car spun way out
of control. Super shocking. I've never

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been in a car accident before that
one. It totaled the car and so

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then what happened. So we got
out of the car, waited for the

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police. We spoke with the other
driver. The gas station attendant nearby came

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out and said, hey, if
there's anything I can do, I would

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love to help. And she took
the two kids into the gas station and

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let them pick out any snacks they
wanted, and they love that. They've

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never been able to just pick out
anything, and we're always very strict when

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we go shopping, and so they
just loaded up these bags of all these

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snacks and that was a very nice
thing that they did, that we remember.

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But I got a record to come
and take the car to a collision

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center, and thankfully my father in
law was in Las Vegas. He was

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able to take his rental car out
to Barstow and pick us up. But

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it was a very late, hard
evening that night. I was just very

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grateful everyone was. Okay. Now, if I'm remembering correctly, weren't you

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in kind of the middle of a
big losing streak at this point? That's

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correct, Yeah, And it was
so devastating that I had to zoom out

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and look at the big picture of
like where my life was going at that

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point, beyond the financial aspect.
I was at my lowest, longest losing

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streak. At how many hours had
you been losing? It was one hundred

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and fifty hours of going down.
If you're looking at a line graph,

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it was still in the downtrend.
And it was also around two hundred hours

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of a break even if you know
what I mean by break even stretch.

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Yeah. Yeah, so you went
down this big slide down and then for

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another two hundred hours you just sat
there. Yeah, break treading water.

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I couldn't get to a new all
time high, that's right. Yeah,

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And okay, so now you have
this accident, your car gets towed,

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and your father in law comes and
picks you guys up. That's right.

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He picked us up and took us
to our hotel that night, and yeah,

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we didn't know exactly how the trip
was going to go. After that,

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we stayed in Vegas an extra five
days, just trying to get a

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new car and recover some of what
was lost. But yeah, that was

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a very tough time in my life. Well, now, maybe I'm remembering

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this wrong, But wasn't your money
in the car? No, some of

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our bankroll was, yes, that's
correct, but not the majority. But

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we did have another incident a week
after that where we were robbed. Okay,

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this is what I'm thinking, This
is what I was thinking of.

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Okay, so now your car is
totaled, and now a week later you

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get robbed, and how did that? Where did that happen? Out?

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What happened there? It was at
the Tuscany in Las Vegas. I had

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played the night before. I didn't
get backed off. It was just a

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short session. I was mostly just
cashing out my free play chips and doing

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a short session. And then we
went out to eat that night at Fremont

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Street and we came back to our
room and everything had been completely ransacked,

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and my wife's stuff was all over
the bedding, and I realized that my

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backpack was gone, and it had
twelve thousand dollars in it. It had

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two laptops, a bunch of hard
drives, and it was just disappeared.

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And was that the majority of your
bank roll at that point? It was

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a big portion. It was about
twenty five percent of the bank roll.

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And so I'm sure the police were
called, right We filed the police report.

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It was around four thirty am by
the time we finished everything. But

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yeah, I talked to the detectives
the next day and we got to work

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on trying to track the bag and
the whereabouts of everything. There were credit

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cards in the bag and they were
getting peemed at the Miracle Mile shops down

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the road, And yeah, we
actually did have the identity of the individuals,

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but the cops didn't want to pursue
going straight to their addresses because they

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needed more proof, and so,
yeah, it was it was a long

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process and even today we're still kind
of pursuing this case. It's been two

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and a half years, almost three
years. But this is crazy. So

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the police knew who did it,
but wouldn't go right because it was twenty

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twenty that all of their detectives were
out on leave except for a few and

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they were so overtaken with a lot
of homicide and other bigger cases that grand

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larceny was not even on their priority
list at the time. And now the

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individuals have moved. They did eventually
go to their addresses and try to get

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a hold of them, but the
people the thieves have moved from their address,

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and you're still trying to get the
stuff back, get the money back

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or the I mean, by now, I'm sure the money's gone, but

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right by now we're trying to get
damages for the the hotel. I didn't

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even mention the way that thieves got
into our room is the hotel casino let

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them into the room. They checked
them in as if we had checked out

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or something, and they forgot So
it was negligence on the casino's part.

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Oh wow, so you're suing them? Yes, oh yeah, well no

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wonder it's taking years because those lawsuits
take forever. Right But but okay,

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so now your car's been total You've
been on this three hundred and fifty hour

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losing streak. Right now your money
gets stolen, and how did you decide

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to keep going? I feel like
I didn't have any choice at that point

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because I was thousands of hours into
my career. I knew that blackjack works,

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and I knew that there were still
some good double deck games that I

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was attacking and I was being able
to play. So I didn't give up.

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I was extremely persistent and I played
for hundreds of hours more and finally

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broke through an all time high.
If you want to hear the end of

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the story, but at that low
point in my life, I had so

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many things happen, a sequence of
events that were so bad that I just

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felt like, if I make it
out of this, I will be able

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to make it through anything. Yeah, I agree, but did we miss

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any of the low points or was
there something else? Pier there was something

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else. About two weeks after the
robbery. I think I've told the story

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once on Stephen Bridge's video. It's
one of his bonus videos. I was

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assaulted by a cop and off duty
cop at Northern California casino and everybody's like,

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why didn't you pursue that case?
That was an obvious lawsuit on your

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hands. Wait, so what did
the cop do? What happened? I

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went into play for about an hour
at a Double Dead game and it was

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on a Saturday night. It was
very busy, and I get approached by

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a guy in a suit who calls
me by the wrong name. He says,

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we know what you're doing and you
can't be here. You're going to

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be arrested. He said, I
was. He said, I've been caught

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for counting cars before. I shouldn't
be there, and I'm going to be

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arrested. That's the first thing he
tells me. And before I could even

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push my chips and I'm still surrounded
by guys, I just grabbed my seven

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hundred dollars and chips or whatever it
was, put in my pocket start walking

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for the exit and they all follow
me through this crowd of people. There

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was a raffle going on, and
so there's a big crowd now. As

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I just remember, all of the
securities seemed to be focused on me,

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and I was like, this is
really weird. I'm just leaving and while

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I walk out of the casino,
they block me from exiting the valet.

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More security guards with earpieces and they're
just like forming this wall and kind of

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shuffling me off to the side of
the valet, and I'm just like,

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I just want to leave. I
want to get to my wife. My

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wife is in the car. And
I realized that there's a police officer right

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there, and he also has an
earpiece just like all the security guards.

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And I didn't realize at the time, but he was an off duty cop

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working security and he just immediately became
physical when I thought he was going to

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be kind of on my side and
help me get out of this situation,

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and he grabs me, throws me
to the ground on the curb very forcefully,

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almost in a way to be like
I can physically do this to you,

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you have to stay put. And
so I tried not to lose my

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cool, but I remember I was
shouting. I was like, why are

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you being physical right now? Why
are you throwing me? And I tried

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to get up one more time he
pushed me down again. I took my

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phone out, I called my wife, I called my brother and they came

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out to the valet and they started
arguing my case. But he seemed like

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he only wanted to know my ID, information, where I was from,

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and he wanted to like verify things. I guess they had me confused with

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somebody. The end of the story
is he turned into this different person like

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I switch flipped, and he was
like, oh, there's been a mistake.

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It looks like I'm going to walk
into your car and you're free to

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go. I'm so sorry, And
he just started pretending to be friendly.

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And why did you decide not to
Oh wait a minute, was that an

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Indian consider it was that tribal?
Oh yeah, well, although you can't

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sue the tribe, but you can
sue him as an individual, exactly right.

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And I maybe past the statute of
limitations at this point. And the

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reason I always tell people I didn't
pursue it is because I had to deal

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with the insurance company for that car. Accident. I had to deal with

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so many other cases going to detectives
in Las Vegas with that incident. Yeah,

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every day I was on the phone
with detectives trying to recover our stuff

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that was lost. And it's just
too much, but it really has.

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It's given me resilience for how to
deal with traveling issues that may occur when

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you're traveling, and also criminal activity. Yeah and okay, but what was

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your wife saying at this point,
like time to go get a job?

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I mean, yeah, we really
should ask her. I can't speak completely

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for her, but well she must
have, you know, voiced some opinion

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about what was going on in your
life. I mean, both of you.

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Your whole lives were turned upside down. She was wanting me to consider

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switching career paths, going back to
working at Amazon or being an accountant or

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eBay like I used to do.
We actually did start up an eBay account

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in twenty twenty and try to start
selling again. But yeah, it was

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right around that time. I expanded
my network at the end of twenty twenty,

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and I I shot through a new
all time high and just kept going.

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I kept pushing through and it's still
it's still my right number one source

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of income as of twenty twenty three. And how much are you playing now?

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Not as much. I was doing
about a thousand hours a year Now

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I'm down to about three or four
hundred hours a year. For the past

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two years, I've been learned other
things too. So I want to get

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to one other story which has kind
of been in the news a lot lately,

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which is about your incident in Colorado. Okay, Yeah, yeah,

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that one caught a lot of traction
online because of the video. That shows

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how ignorant a gaming commission agent can
be, and also police can be about

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the law. They just don't even
know what the law is when it comes

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So, yeah, phill Us in
what happened? Okay, you can see

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the video on Stephen Bridge's YouTube.
I'll put a link in it in the

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show notes, I'll put a link
to the video. Okay. I was

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playing in black Hawk, Colorado at
a casino because I was in the middle

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of a layover on my flight that
goes through Denver. I just rented a

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car and went to do about a
five or six hour session and I lost

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about four thousand dollars. Happens all
the time as a blackjack player and then

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as I go to leave, I'm
stopped by a guy in a suit who

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wants to see my ID, and
I showed him my ID for a quick

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second. I didn't give it to
him, and I put it back in

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my wallet and he asks, I
need to take your ID with me to

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check something. And I've been through
this before. I knew I had a

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flight to catch. I didn't want
to even get started with handing him my

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ID. I was like, I
would just like to cash out and leave,

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and he immediately says, I'm not
going to be able to cash out

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because I didn't hand over my ID
to him and I haven't even gone to

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the cage yet. I just stepped
away from the table and so I said,

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well, then I'll call gaming Commission. He said, you're welcome to

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call Gaming Commission, and I started
looking for Colorado Gaming Commission my phone and

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I realized this is just going to
take too long. I may have to

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just catch these out later, and
so I walked to my car and I

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was like, I'm just going to
leave, and as I'm driving out of

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the parking garage, a big black
SUV pulls up and stops me right at

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the exit and basically blocks me in
this little area that I can't move,

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and some lights start flashing and I
was like, oh, it's a police

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officer, I guess, even though
it doesn't say police on the vehicle.

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And a guy gets out of the
vehicle who has a thing around his neck

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that says police, but he doesn't
have a badge. Very confusing, I

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don't understand. You can see it
in the video. And he walks up

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to the window says he's from the
Gaming Commission and it demands to see my

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ID and he tells me I'm gonna
have to go back at art. Yeah,

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he says, I have to have
to stop what I'm doing, give

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them my idea, and they're going
to review the tapes to see if I

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if I'm going to leave, and
I said, I'm not going to give

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you my idea. I'm gonna wait
till the police get here. So I

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called the cops and he's like,
I've already called the cops myself, and

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so we call the police, wait
on them to finally get there. They

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arrive and I told the police I'm
just trying to leave, that's it.

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I just want to get to the
airport because I have a flight to catch,

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and the officer says, and I'll
quote, I can't let you leave.

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He has more authority than I do
and points at this gaming commission officer

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who's telling me that I can't leave
because I may have been counting cards,

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which is oh he said that.
He said, the counting cards. Yeah,

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that's if that's a crime or something. That's when I turned my phone

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on. I really didn't even want
to start recording, because sometimes that can

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escalate aggression with casino employees or people
they don't like to be yours or whatever.

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But I had to turn my phone
on because this was just insane.

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I had the shift manager telling me
I can't cash out. I had a

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gaming commission telling me I shouldn't be
counting guards. I had the police telling

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me that they don't have any authority
to let me leave. I was just

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like am I in Twilight Zone?
Here? What is going on? And

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one of them who wasn't that was
saying to you that card counting was illegal

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in Colorado. That was the Gaming
commission agent who has since been relieved of

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his duties. From what I've heard, A surprise me. Yeah, maybe

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it was his first day on the
job. Who knows, So what happened

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the video? I posted that evening
or the next evening in a forum because

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I wanted people to see how in
saying it was a casino employees, wait

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before you posted the video, how
did you get out of the situation.

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Yeah, they eventually realized they didn't
have time to go over the footage,

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and he just said you're free to
go. After about an hour and a

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half hour and forty five minutes,
and they let me go. Oh my

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god. It wouldn't let me catch
my chips out, but they said I

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could go, and I missed my
flight. I booked another flight about six

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hours later, and I still have
the chips today, and I'm pursuing a

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lawsuit for damages for that trip.
And those lawsuits can take forever, as

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we all know, so it's ridiculous
how long they take it, even if

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you have very clear video evidence and
everything that's pretty obvious what the issue was.

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They didn't know the law. So
where are you now? You're still

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playing You're yes, but it sounds
like a lot less than you were before.

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I'm also pursuing other projects that I
work quite a bit on during the

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weeks that are not gambling involved,
correct, Yeah, And so do you

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see yourself still pursuing card counting,
you know, down the road five years

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from now, you think you'll still
be doing it or five years from now?

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Probably not, But for the next
one to two years, yes,

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I mean it kind of depends on
how long some of these games last that

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I'm attacking. You know, sometimes
they'll last a few years, and other

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times they just kind of dry up. Well, there are always more games,

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right, It's a big country and
a big world, But it's true,

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it's hard to say I'll probably be
playing two to three years from now,

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five years that's a long ways off. Well, I guess it also

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will depend on how successful the projects
that you're working on are. If you

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start making you know, twice as
much money, it's something else been correct,

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Yeah, we'll see. I should
also say about the Colorado case.

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What adds to the ignorance of all
of the city employees and the casino employees

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is Colorado had just recently raised the
maximum you can bet at the tables about

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eight months before that incident, so
it's almost like they had never seen any

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real action or real issues with blackjack
player. Who knows the law or the

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basics of the law at least,
and so I think that's really it was

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just a perfect recipe for for their
ignorance to be outed on that evening.

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Yeah, what happened there? All
right? Well, it's a pretty crazy

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story all the way around, and
I'm glad you got through that disastrous streak

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and came out the other side of
it. Yes, thank you, me

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too. I'm so glad that's over
and I it never happens to anybody else.

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Yeah, all right, Well,
I really want to thank you for

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doing this, and I will include
a link to the Crazy Officer and Colorado

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in the show notes for everybody who
wants to go see it and thank you

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again. Sounds great, Yeah,
thanks for having me. Well there you

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have it. That is all for
this episode, and I hope you enjoyed

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So until next time, I'll see
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