And today we have to we say it's still money today, right, we're
talking the new power tariffs, not the tarret itself. The times I hear
power has increased, the cost of power has gone up, and as consumers
and as folks as spend money, we want to find out how we can
save money, how can we not get a tariff. So we're not only
going to talk about the tariffs per se. We don't want to talk about
band AVE, band B and the policy around me. We are simply trying
to say, hey, what is technology out there that can allow me to
save money for my family? So not that's in that scary like if you
use your egg conditioner for five hours, you spend a thousand night round one
thousand per night just to use your air conditioner. So it's a lot.
So I'm not an expert, but I know it's been good for bringing expert
here that understand how they can. That's what it is all about. So
it's good. And here I have a few guys that want to bring them
up and they're going to talk about their solutions and hopefully we can pick two
from there. Also share the flyers that they are called to action. So
if you're interested in them. After the space, you can reach back to
them and then hear what they have to offer. That's essentially what we would
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you guys can just be also full. So let me start with my friends
giins. I got three of them today. I'm gonna start with my friends
gains. This is from Energy spelled A R N E G y R Energy.
Thanks for space. If you guys want on the mute, just on
mute and we can start the space. Thank you so much, Hid everybody,
thank you for having us here tonight. So my name is Joshua and
from Energy. And also i'll be having one of our class executives who is
speaking. His name is Peter and I believe that he's already I see him.
Yeah, I see him, so sending him an invite already, yes,
quested, and we'll add him. So both of you are on point.
Now, yeah, there we go. All right, so Energy,
welcome to the space. I mean, the folks that you didn't hear.
We're not power experts. We know what mega is, I don't know what
difference is and all that. What I want to know release how I can
save money. But I just start to just give us an intro about your
company. Who are you guys? How did we get to power? Let's
know? You take it off? Go ahead, all right, thank you.
I would allow okay to take it up from here. Energy is a
renewable energy company where we deal in clean energy and we we look and hope
to enhance thisbility and reliability of electricity of energy within homes and businesses. And
further on that, I would just like to hand over to the redentity from
the organization who has been prepared to take from here. Sure is all right?
Please happy that you're muted. You can hear me. All right,
So we wait for Peter to okay, Peter has dropped off. So Peter
has dropped up. I'm gonna add him again. So let me just make
sure he's back and there he can speak. Peter, go ahead, hell,
yes, we can hear you. Go ahead, shoot everyone can Yes,
go ahead. Thank you for having us and giving us his platform to
interact. Good everyone, pleasure to be here. My name is Peter speaking
of the allergy So thank you. All right, So I mean give us
your journey. Really she's the company. Then moving to the power story real
quick, who are you guys? What do you guys do? Go ahead,
all right, thank you? So Energy Solar Limited to me because still
hear me, I can hear it's echoing a lot here, all right,
I just power show. So yes, Energy Solar Limited is an alternative,
reliable energy company. We've been around for ten years now in the market,
really coming in when the solar space was still as infancy or solar as a
solution was still as em fansy, particularly you know in this part of the
world. And over time we sort of like have played out played in different
spaces, from powering minigrants to providing alternative power sources to residentiales and offices.
So Energy today ours you know residentials from your you know apartment's be owned to
standing lowe houses as well as also providing power to SNS offices as well as
industrial complex. So that's energy to be gotcha, welcome some let'sters get into
it right. You've seen the power tariffs in simple and short term. They
expensive for most Nigerians we earn minimum wage. Like I said, I saw
that. Yes, this someone set to use the egg conditioner for for one
night, they're gonna play almost a thousand era. How can energy exist for
me? If I have a house in car or Legos? What can you
guys do to this? To my deal? That's what wants to do?
Really? All right? Great? So as as you're aware, we have
different types and the power consumption of homes defer significantly, right, So what
we have done is we have standardized as solutions to fit different patent types.
So a typical two bedroom apartments, we have a drinking are a sept that
would typically power you know a superdroom apartment before and how sold that's conservative in
your consumption? Wow? For a three bedroom for bedroom apartments, we have
you know, people using between five kilo arts to ten kilo at systems to
power their apartments. Right again, just to explain how this works, I
think Nigeria a lot of us understand generating sets and you know a simple way
to compare this would be to see that it typical generating sets that powers in
two apartments you know, will be getting you between three to five kilo apartments
of energy. So that's we have a solution that basically matches that generating sets
in terms of capacity. Wows when you sort of like skill that to you
know, your disil general to you know, those that typically our larger facilities.
You know, so you have the system which is a changing the wards
system that can sort of like our four terrrist building and and and oh he
dropped off. I was enjoying with Peter. If you can hear I can
hear you, Peter, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, I can.
Yes, you dropped off a bit. Let's just just perfectly just poof
follow right. I have a four point five KNV generator. What is that
if I converted to like watch your say, like a four point five what
what would that be if I converted? Thank you? So if five that
would convert I give you and we currently have you know, variations of that
give you system in our you know products. Now, what the major different
that we typically have with our products is the amount of battery storage that we
layer on top of the system. And again for people who are not very
familiar with the solar, what typically have is you have parts on your roof
that basically provides energy from the sun, right, and when you generate this
energy, it's typically powers the load that is put on in your house at
the time when that TV is generating energy from the sun, and then whatever
excess power you're generating that you're not consuming can destroyed in the battery from nights
consumption. Right. So typically, yes, what gives you an even better
that matches the size of this generating capacity that you mentioned. So the closest
in our product book to what you have mentioned or be a five k inverter.
Now that means that in terms of the loads that you're able to put
on that generator set, you will be able to replicate the same amount of
load on a five kV In fact, Now, what do the panels do
for you, which is to a unit of kilwards our peak, they basically
generate energy. So you will have as many panels as possible and build up
as much generation from this sun as possible. There's no full world, that's
no matter how much scale up your panels in the roof. The only loads
your house can power as a time is to the capacity of your inverter.
You compre sise to side with your generator set is the invert capacity. Okay,
okay, I got that point. If we are to go away from
this call with anything your generator set in terms of size, you can match
that in capacity. What you time means if you can put on your or
not okay, you can put on your fish, freezer and butter and the
microwave. It's basically depended on the size of your So quick questions okay,
quick uick questions? Can can be panels? Generate power? If there's no
song light, like there's no sun, there's just light, still generate power.
There's no sun, but there's power, but there's just lights. Can
you still generate electricity there's no song light, it's like the cloud. Can
you generate power? Yeah? So the the efficiency will be very very low,
right, that's the reality of right. So in setive, for example,
if anyone the legal in time, the generation will be very very low.
However, the you have the option of always having sufficiency to ensure that
whilst you're consuming, you could still have sufficient to store your battery. And
the beauty of systems that are sophisticated is the visibility that you're able to get.
So typically, when I had the generator maybe fifteen years back, you
know, I could never see, you know, data on the generator real
tipe. I just know that when before well finishes in the generator and the
top of right at best maybe I could see the gauge of the well,
you know. But it is the beauty of it is that you can monitor
your consumption. You can monitor your generation, and you can monitor your bors
how far your battery has charged. And then also that can also give you
clear ideas on how much battery life your battery has in terms of consumption as
the second load you're currently priory in your house. So what that means is
that the same way we use our iPhones android phones, where we look at
our battery and we know that, okay, we have sixty percent of charge
on our batteries and this will practice suffice to go without charge for the next
six hours because we understand the usage. Similarly, for the solar systems that
we have in the markets to do, which are quite sophisticated, you're able
to actually monitor real time. You know what happens when you reduce your consumption
and you see how many more hours you're able to consume for And then you
see that as you also increase your consumption, perhaps you turn on one easier
saces, it would also reduce the amount of hours you would be able to
keep the system on fold. So those are some of the things that constomers
tend to benefit and how we also become more in expeficient because they have data
to guide them. Okay, so let's get some boats of this. Right,
the new band a has increased the power cost of If how much is
this inverta? I would save me money if I had to put a five
kV inverta all in and I did, whatever, how much do they cost
me? How do they cost me this whole? So in five kV invertera?
And again it's important to know that the invert does not work in isolation.
Right, so you probably need to have a full installation done but an
inverter. If I give you the price, it may not be just getting
this inverter and your work. So I just got to put that clarification.
But if you want to know the price, again, it ranges depending on
the substication of the inverter and the several products in the market. Energy does
not sell an invert isolation typically sell you know, a fully integrated systems that
comprise of panels in better and batteries. Right in some exceptional cases we could
we could decide that because of the building type, or just both inverta and
a battery solution, which means it's a storage solution. But you're not generating
energy, so you're probably storing power from your energy sources so that you can
when you're you don't have power from other sources, you can utilize what your
story batteries question. Yeah, I'm just going to get the cost. Like
if I come to your office, I want to buy a five case the
whole package, the solar panel of to just go how so what we have
done and I would I would ask you a question, but to give you
a sense of how we're thinking about the market opportunity for customers. We have
ensured that first thing is we mentioned that the life span of the insplution that
we bring to the market is long, so that customers get to put it's
over a long period of time and can fix their energy costs for a very
long period of time. What we saved it inflation is that you know,
power keeps power. Conscripturising is costly prising, but it's so that the real
beauty of it is that when you make the investments today, the maintenance fee
is very minute, almost insignificance. You can enjoy it for as many as
ten years. So what we have done is that we have two product types.
We have the product type that on both product types we can see you
that you would enjoy these assets for a very long period of time. We
have one way we give you a five year warranty and we have another product
where we give you a ten year warranty. What that means is that any
product video would be completely managed by the company. As you would imagine,
the price is rate depending on the length of guarantee that we're able to provide.
So what we've done is that we've been sensitive to the markets and ensure
that our pricing. You know, we give different options and variations to customers
for utilities. So even for five years, then we have three products categories.
We have a products that you know you will get spar typically around four
point six million, and we have another product at nine million, and we
have another product at teteen million. All of these different products is just miss
the customers at different entry points. And what we also don't make it easy
for customers access is that we have partners with several commercial banks where they're able
to give competitive interest rates to allow customers pay over one year or three year
period. So even though it has the prices it's from like you know,
it's in the millions, but they are customers today who are been fitting from
our partnership with the banks that allow them pay you know, between one hundred
and fifty thousand a month to three hundred thousand and write a month over a
period of time. They're able to pay a completely commut full ownership of those
assets. Of course, the require just to be clear, right, So
what's the the four point five is the four point five point nine want?
What is it? Like? The core difference is they warrantee yeah, yeah,
very good points, sir. So the difference between the cheaper option is
one of the warrants is right, so on on the on the cheapest option
we have the warranties are shorter. Also in terms of the look and feel
of the products, the the the look of the products, right, the
nine million products, you can put it in your sitting room and it would
be there. It looks very presentable. Right with the with the cheaper option,
it's you know, it's it's a discretion. Now that would I wouldn't
suggest people put that in there in the living room. The product it looks
different. But also in terms of the length of time that we also able
to support you and give you a full warranty of the products. It tends
to be shut and so the warranty, the in esthetics more or less determined.
This just costing more less different, Okay, And then you said,
so it's going to be the cost is give us take about four and nine.
You have banks that are going to step in and fun till name those
banks in case A take notes in them. Yeah, great, it's great.
So today we work with four banks, and we're signing more partnerships with
other commercial banks. So today we work with s C and D Access Banks,
Selling Bank and ambid Bank. So if you have correct account you currently
are an account that we lose banks, you can go through your account office
or Conto Energy and we would connect it to the right in those banks to
help you fully set up. So typically the processes that you get an invoice
from us once you accepted the price of that sking voice, but would connect
it to the bank to go and get financing. The banks stores would come
install the system for the customer's consumer finance. Okay, all right, So
gotn't the first question, which is the cost of Nigeria. So the second
question is that if I inst four point five or nine million, am I
saving money? It is a business new band increase a saving money? Yes?
So I think it's it's a just yes, right. And the reason
is that we also do a computation of the levelized cost of electricity today,
right, and we know what the levelized cost of our solution is, so
we can compare our pricing our through the pricing of the grid and today in
the solar space, we call it is great parity. Right. We will
say that the pricing based on the bistens increase in the great price. We
we have seen that our solution is as great parity. Now to explain the
constant of great parity. Basic it means that when your alternity source of energy,
typically renewables, comes to the same price of the grid or even shaper
and today we can tell you that you know, side by side, very
objective independent and that it shows that our pricing of our solution is now below
the price of the bad ay. And one thing customers need to also understand
is that one of the major drivers of costal solar to go upward is dollar.
Right, So because a lot of the pricing of the components are index
to the dollar or source off show if we have further evaluations in the in
the future its solar, the price of the solar go indeed. Then we
had this steep jump to about one thousand cities and engine exchange its our prices
were had. But one thing we did as a pump thing was that immediately
we saw that there was more stability with effects where able to crash our prices
downwards again just to make sure that the customers can access these reducts. But
one thing customers need to be mindful of is that there is that relationship.
So today the entry appoint is ship and then if the Nira slides again to
the dollar, which we don't hope for, the price of solar would go
up again. So now maybe a very good time for customers to take advantage
of it. And the beauty of it is that once you've made that investment,
fix your power costs. So if you're coming and you're like, you
know what hour on the or your solar solution, depending on the solution it
gets is stop two hundred. We can tell you that if you completely go
up great today at that price if the data, if goes up, your
pricing doesn't change. If goes up, your pricing doesn't change because you're basically
fixed your investments in power. And once we've seen with a lot of our
customers well use energy for the last five to seven years, a lot of
them are coming back to us say upgrade me. I want to go completely
upgrade. And what that means is that you are your independent provider, right,
you independent power. You know your facility, your home, your businesses
right. And we've seen a lot of offices also take on this opportunity to
say, you know what, I want to run my cyber cafe, my
small kobs completely off grid. Right. So those are the opportunities that I
think the customers can benefit. And indeed the present is cheaper for band a
A. If I was on the national grade and I was on your solution,
yours is cheaper for me today, it's cheaper, right, But I
also wanted to establish that because of the price point of the door that today,
that's why we're able to achieve that. So if customers take advantage of
the dollar rates today becoming cheaper. But this thing, the product is also
index to the dollars. So sometimes if the dollar, if the dollar that
price in my school, again, I just talked to put that out there.
And also I think everyone should be by fool that this direction. You
know, over time all all the bands would have cost relative tariffs. So
now it's still the right time for people in bad b which would be next
to it, you know, sort of switch to a more sustainable, predictable
costal power. So I had to I had to just say something now that
that thebout the dollar price is lower, it's an opportunity for go to invest
at the utant called lower dollar price because the color goes back up the price.
Traders and the general absolutely that's directly all right. So I think I
think the bulk of what word to hear from you, and if you guys
want if you don't mind, if you want to stay hand see let me
guys, I have never had questions to ask you can access if you can,
you can come back to you. I have two other guys that I
also like to speak. So if you're hanging there, I'll take a few
questions. I'll come back to my folk and then we'll see what mister stone,
mister stone diamond, how are you? Do you have a question?
Uh? How are you going? Can you could go ahead the question?
Sir? What's the question? Say? All right? Actually very very very
also want those really really everything now everyone? And all right, I got
you, good point. Let's get my journey notative ques, please go ahead
really quick. Okay, watching the works, it's just like the wors.
But there is this what's be true? Thick maybe my last probably so now
when three kill, that is only the most I think the power, but
it has not played a wrong. That's all last and how long it will
last depend on what we call the battery. The numbers have the size of
batteries and all the energy density energet kill our guys. You were inscribed by
our power forward to the companies. So what I want to ask is I
want to know by this but this killer was our what capacity is seltenets?
Do power? What's and again how much it is we're head of that us
is easy deep side legs. But let us batteries and the last long the
number of years last before you use that one? What are you going to
start from investments? Okay, let's let's let your man. Let lets you
man say okay, tell him so let him ask the question about one you
I did you talk about how long the butches would last? Number two?
I had to talk about worst type of batteries. You're talking about the break
even point? If I invest four or five for nine million, when do
I break even? So let me let me get let me get in to
answer people great questions. I mean number one like you said, how what
kind of battery when you're working for go ahead? And what can I put
on that? Can I put an air conditioner on this set up? You
have and have an air conditioner? Great? So thank you, thanks,
thanks for the big question, very very respectful. Again, I think that
the way I hear the first and second question is very similar. So the
answer is that today are solutions we use little your I own batteries. Right,
this is the latest battery technology and whatsider the one that keives the longest
livespan, like you rightly said, it's the same batteries that we have in
our iPhones and the same batteries you have in an electric vehicle. Right.
The beauty of the litium batteries is that it's has you can get two hundred
percent discharge from your batteries, as against the aspect batteries where you can only
get fifty percent discharge. What that means basically is that you can use the
battery from full charge to zero presents, just same way our food batteries work.
Also, another beautiful thing about this is that you know, unlike the
letters batteries that have you know, total for your lives, these batteries can
save you for longer than ten years. And this is also why we're able
to give you product assurance for five ten years. And this is largely because
of the type. So we should and we don't just do that with our
batteries. We also use you know, don't see you know panels that can
give you to fight your lifespan and they will also you know, bring give
you a won invertters which we also build. Those same warrants is to come
in terms of the playback period and your investments. I think it's largely depends
on what you're comparing this tape, right, So if you take the great
price point today of the party right, the pay back period tends to be
with sugar right, we're looking at depending on your consumption, that could people
between two years two to three years you're getting full paper period and for the
bands, for those that are still on the old band which is bad before
pricing, paid period tends to be between five to six years, where you
would definitely have you know, saved more money than the investments that you have
put in. But also let's be mindful that this is assuming that you were
consuming twenty four hour supply from the greed, which we all know that even
on the band ad today they're not guaranteeing you twenty four hours. So when
you're data pricing you, it starts a fatter in the fact that you know,
it's not like people use only Great independently in Nigeria today most people are
doing patrol generators and grid some people are doing diesel generators are great. So
depending on the current power bill, the payda period tends to be a lot
shorter depending on how high your part is. So a goold way to look
at it is applates cost of having twenty four hours power in your house today
from alternative sources means perhaps you're getting up to ten hours from the gud right,
and you know how much your bill comes to at the end of the
month. What that means is that the balance hours that you need to run
your office or household. Let's see the balance hours is indeed fourteen hours,
and you power your house it's diesel or with patrol for the balance forteen hours.
When you take that cost and multiplied by the number of these months,
right, you can use that to divide the cost of the solution your buying.
That will determine your paper period, so that in a sense you can
say that your payper period could be shorter than a year if you're going off
grid. Propically interesting, Yeah, so you answered the battery type you pay
back type. I think you've answered this question. Okay, let's hang on,
let me let me hoping the differense track. Peter, I want to
bring together that is just doing you guys. Are you guys are new quotes
and quote pet me YouTube you don't mind? Just okay, So, Peter,
you guys are quote unquote big company more or less mimusing that word.
I want to bring a guy that is doing this on his own, maybe
he has a smaller footprint. Also to give us his own perspective to start
focus listening. Also get a second perspective, so and energy types of information
I want you guys, please hang on. I'm not bringing promise promise,
ok one he sent me. And again, guys, what I do today
is to give information out on where you can go and get various types of
options you can connect to create. You can do the alternatives and all that.
If you're an alternative power provider. As long as you can put on
your flyer or make a promise that you'll give a discount, or you can
show me savings and you send me your material, I will retoot it bo
cost to you and to me. Any guys sent me something for the weekend
about a competition, you do a video and you need an inverta, I
will after the show if you if you have an alternative to high grade prices,
were you want to offer a discount and you want me to share an
information set to my DM, I will share on your behalf. Don't bring
in promise promise and if you can hear me you can on muse, I'll
just go and do a brief introduction and then we'll just get your own perspective
on what you are off into the market society. So promise, can you
amuse please? Yeah, okay, probably introduce yourself and all that. So
for politics or like a very big or three business and the other type of
bucture we are. So what I noticed in this is that most actually do
what you want. They're not like energy efficients, you tend to waste sometimes,
but like let's say like staring from the preventing, like let's say five
I was on a rap and really for like two months or one month and
am for like one week. So it was verified that the one that isn't
the five thousand four for one week. It's wings around I'm doing. You
know, what is good to be reliting is one money? You need good
stuff, so you're not like an efficient to go and we tend to waste
this And actually because this one it's from the because it is free, what
are you doing for it? Open? You know alternative now before it's a
system. Clients, we want to know what I want to consumed, so
many to do work to consume because we are looking it goes go to the
house. This house like it too. Let's give you some five kiving into
CONFI system at the end two power the house we got the attend to have
modudes you ten have models system at shut down. So what we do won't
we go to the customer house? We do a better energy audits. What
I want trying to singing? So once together the energy or in the world
I wanted not sizing better to the party size and a number of family work.
Now said we have a back. We have the leads me and we
are going backs now the religion that is more expensive than the letters it because
we don't go long lives. Family don't let char thank you as around then
five years depending on your usage. Okay, tell me asking directly right those
director. So if again, if I came to you have a whatever flat
or house, I just want to have power in my house. You know,
I know the free jency all those things. But I have a four
point five key generator. I'm on band A, so I used four point
five among band A. I have an usual fridge. Acy what what what
what would you? What be your package? What would it cost me?
And what will be your advice? To me just so that folks can get
that from you and and all that. Yes, this system so it's going
to be fives or let us. So now this has different on it.
If five system which is that is going to go for some one point five
So now it's constibility, it's fat five hund you need too much. The
diver is an ability, but that's not as controller. There's any better judge.
Controler needs the number of so in five flower systems superwer in my business
classes now and the size if you are going but I should really do it
more than you do into fifty percent we save bring to the love longer lives.
Found that I got that mostly mostly what is the damage? You don't
get them twenty to overload the system then starts shotting and sometimes it gets So
this is the cast stay for up to five to ten, playing for months.
So what do you if I have a four point five KP? What
with if I load in better to five kep without overlook Now this is over.
Let's say if five water cantiage, let's say in that type one,
I see take your CV take the stuff now like five pew words. Then
for eventual you're not annound somebody command decide to own all the fleish on to
what is easy as unless you're fivecy or decide because of another efficiency expance to
wrun one easy at the time. So when you lib in put on foes
as first, put on about the lighting, put on the TV without you
are using an internity which is so so you really know what is a sense
overlo can show them so mostly sure that this is not used to desire like
that, sure that system put it on trying to pose the system on so
I know what I can get, Moms, I won't go on game losing
where more room that can't take fire like the worst to go. Gotcha?
So just the last question, last question from this right, So if I
had to get my package from you, send the package from energy. We're
not competing, we're not trying to compare. Say if I were to get
a package from you, you know, like I said, sol annals inverta
control and all that. What would that set you back on? And how
do you also finance? They do a lot of working with the banks for
for counting my credit. How do you finance your guys? Do you guys
have to pay you? Go ahead and go ahead, okay, I with
them. People show jerdey financing partner blessing for instance a client, so what
you do pay thy looking we have the claimed the most of a this season
will come up me. So we have to be thirty percent of France.
After we've done the back check checking localisto socurse, I know that legibly for
the season. So the give or your feedback, yes this was my is
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completed on the balance after the episode of it. That is lessening. This
is only today and will reticentially thirty thousand. It's left with seventy thousand.
Now the interests to be computed only seventy thousand. Most food on two thousand
willet wish to give out because it's eighty ten percent of this, so we
are left with twenty percent usually seventy thousand error now so we have for mostly
for companies, it's also one year. The finance is also one year.
Also that's the individual it's for three more. But when we check for predic
schools, obviously that when we play is strong. That's called that one.
Depending on the size le system guessing, so one the system of different one
the SY system that you so also the sizing of s also going to play.
Okay, So but what would the cost if you could, like you
want to be your own like appront cost for the system if you could okay,
okay, the interest that will become is between it's only between five to
fifty cents after after you put your initial sense. So what was the total
cost for your system the whole thing? And I don't know if I got
that part you mentioned the total cost? Okay, P five in the work
system it was for seven or five and also the war system. That are
some that I did into analysis between won't give you system and the least,
which is that the basic guy doesn't lighting. I'm fine, so those ones
probably won't give you sist from one give you syslos and I want to go
to competing lose range. So the cha plays. This is the one global
system goes for let me check my this that goes for thousand. It comes
with let us too. The one't give you system focuses of one two work
conners, then twenty hours with the one giving So that is us for this
smaller package. K. That's how much problems? How much is that?
Yes? That's for it. Yes, it's you see okay, God,
that's what the look OKAYLST one okay, and the west one is one TV
what what what about the the five will be the five five? Okay,
that's what the that's what I already get. I want to get that other
spectrum of the market, I mean, energy has given you that does get
the spectral pricing as it were. So promise, Thank you so much.
I'm mister Peter. Let me have you back in real quick before I go
back to my last my last guest, is there any other solution apart from
solar? Like everyone I've talked to online and d M is mostly solar and
all that. What about wind? What about maybe bio fuels? What about
maintained? Is the anything that we can do illegal for instance? Or this
is apart from solar? Peter, I know if you heard my question.
Did you have my question? Yeah? I think I got, I got.
I was just saying, is that is there any other optional apart from
solar? Of course, of course I hear you. I heard you tek
you so I think today as we all awhere, there's several other renewable sources
of energy, right which you have carefully listed. However, the one that
is commercially problem to be is solar and this is not just from Nigeria.
This is for most imagine margins where we know that are skill solar words and
indeed, so I can actually meet the energy demand of the world. And
that's like data drilling and proven. So once we we would see with other
renewable sources, that's over time, as innovation continues to improve, some of
these other solutions become more commercially viable. And I commercially viable, I mean
that compared to the other prices the other energy sources, that the price would
now be comparable, right, and by comparable in that like the unique costs
of providing the same amount of energy would be in relative terms similar. What
we find is that with most of these because again scale hasn't happened, that's
a lot of players, you know, you know, building these components,
you know, in the mass market. So most of these prices tend to
be more expensive. And what we find is that people who are currently using
systems either use it for you know, aesthetic benefits or also just the sort
of like proof of concepts. Most of the of these projects tend to be
more proof of concepts to show that you know, they're exploring these new opportunities
or new areas of power, but they are not as you know scale or
market operations today. Interesting now in terms of alternatives, I think one major
ortality which is more utilized for mass housing projects like bigger states as well as
commercial is CG. So that's thet So that's another opportunity that's several very large
you know sps today and other parts of Nigeria use as well as industries right
connected to the pipelines. Gotcha. So I'm gonna really come back to the
manufacturing of the invitas and solars. I don't have another topic on that because
we talk about the commercials the cos. You want to say, now,
if you're not the pricing happens, the promise is surprising. But I want
to talk about the manufacturing that that side of the of the market now.
So Peter, I'm gonna come back to you, But let me get mister
Kaleb in here. I think he has the founder of a score. So
let's talk now about the manufacturing because, like Peter said, these things are
priced in dollars. So if we're able to keep the dollar ate low to
have no con drown over or if we're able to manufacture locally, this might
be a should we say, loophole to keep this price lower. So calib
and if you're online, I mean you're here if you can commute quick intro
and that it can come to you, mister calib Yeah absolutely I can,
sir, Please go ahead, sir, I can. Awesome. I'm sorry
for the ballground. So yeah, so my name is actually generally for the
manufacturer, I mean businesses. So yeah, we just very very I don't
really know how how in manufactric now, uh, the system is manufacturing virus
specifically side so okay, So so so let let's go there. Just let's
just stick to yours. Right, So let's just let's go So you said
indigenous manufacture one hundred percent. So are you saying you make everything locally?
Departures and made in Nigeria from you? Everything local? Yeah? I said?
Okay, but then ours around all in Nigeria. Yes, where's your
where's your factory? Wait? Where do you guys manufactures? Understand we don't
mean then we do manufacturing? Gotcha? Wait? Where is your factor?
Asks? Interesting? Okay, So let's so let's just find up from you,
right, do you know how much an important but will cost and how
much yours will cost? What's the price difference between if I bring it in
and if you make it here? Just to give you a context and information,
so different the different opportunities. Yeah, price, so that would say
the same that so so it's a uh you can find c see around two
kinds of six course you sail sing a three point so that's that's so is
that you like okay, you important the compass and you amble in Nigeria and
in Peter as well. So the course to calm down okay, well actually
just course down farewell, this is the fact be as yet those complaints and
do those manufacturing and sam quality by ourselves. So yeah, so the driver
of the cost what in terms of course and everyone a company at listeners and
this is going to be happy mind to We've been working on listening to figure
out the RESU bring this barrier now. Theselves are very expensive. But what
was recently they have begot mine informational museum from nasal I as one of my
famids and want to be a bunty plants. I would be doing this the
party sales engineer, I don't the first ever. Uh, but manufacturing plants
being in this interesting and what's the name again? Just so I don't go
to the finance this topic, but I only hit you guys on the finance
particular way reading capital you're gonna do a public of because very interesting to me
that you want to manufacture batteries. There's a huge demand for that. That
tales means a lot of product that would need lots of funding. But I
don't to go finance yet. I want really talk to you guys about the
about the funding. So I've had to speak let me get it Peter,
It's Peter. My question for you guys, guys, what again, are
you guys really back great shot for batteries because that seemed to be the she
said the two points right, the batteries, yea great point. So I
first I want to, you know, say, well, don't you guys
are doing something incredibly import for our country. It's just trying the fact that
you guys are taking is actually comment you guys all written for you. Just
speak to other players like killing very very much to speak to other local companies
to do shout out. There's another covering called manufactures Panels looking and has started
to also buy panels locally from there, just taking to sort of like support
for local production. So obviously we need TORTI and also monitor his purpose.
So gonna, how did they make that? Where is it? What?
I didn't the free Trade They have some good supporters. We have similar investors
to them, so we obviously have you know, some level of relationship.
So yes, they are located lakes in the Free Trade and they have quite
massive skill plants is very massive, and they also worked on the right accreditation
to sort of like ensure that in terms of standardization of their products, you
know, it can compete at at global scale, which is why we hope
that our local manufacturing can get to. In terms of our business today,
our strategic focus is you know, assembling the Solis linearing our own I device
on top of it. So we have our management system and a remote monetary
functionality which is developed locally by us, and we assemble our systems and tickets
and markets, so we are more you know, fully integrated to you know,
provide the systems locally, also ensure that it gets to the end user,
and also provide support to the end user in terms of backward integration.
Maybe that's someday we can look at the future as our market gets more right
from manufacturing. I think that's over time, hope that Nigeria will get a
lot of base rights that would support support local manufacturing and those areas that would
be explored in the future. But today we're fully integrated. You know,
we provide this OLM support today in Nigeria by assembling these components that are mostly
source of show and to the extent that we can continuously increase the local content
in our system. That's something that we're really really striving for and we're working
there always following the market systecy when is available locally so that we can swap
out the dollar spent on the product so ensure that we can sort of like
make it more available and as sourceable accessible to the customers. I don want
benefit that you know obviously comes from also have local production is that the lead
time to get in all the inventory we need in our factory is much shutter,
right, which means that we are more hampt efficient. So it's very
very good for the market and we're hoping that more look out manufacturers able to
you know, expand their operations to deliver the batteries and the right commity,
in fact the right commities and also the panels. And we also hope that
you know the market and the government doesn't pretend to support this company to try
and be around the launch. Very interesting because I was when you were seeing
legals and I remember that I did. The paper was on solar and basically
this the solar panels, the silker sand, and I know Catsina and Car
Dinner had this large silker sand deposits. There's actually a solar manufacturing company in
a Bujer. I'm not sure if it's off the government. I think the
government set it up and then I was sourced to a private company to run.
It's in a Bua and they were making super panels using the silker from
Catsina and a Buda. I'm not sure where the company is. Do you
do you know anything about that? Do you have no Peter about that before?
But we're happy to do. Yeah, I'm looking for that. I
know I wrote about that I would get this name for your sending to you.
Yeah, they were, Yeah, I'll care for you. I mean,
let's just go back to what we're killer for, Killer for for Peter
and also for the Peter, thanks for the shot of the guys making the
solar solar here. So if we are I hear you say the dollar So
what I hear you say that if you guys can get the cells, the
power sols locally cheaper that way important or were subsidizing the impost, then we
could release scale up the use of solar panels, solar inverters in cities like
Legos, even in the rural areas. I would then drop the demand for
bret power. Is that what I'm saying dolls and funds the importational manufacturing of
those things locally local power drops. I think I think one important thing is
to ensure that we we don't you know us too, you know, I
think I think the way the way it is, we definitely want to see
this sector continue to grow. We have single rapid groups in recent times and
we know that, you know, even with local manufacturing, it needs time,
it needs time to develop, you know, just to ensure that we're
having the right county and we're also getting to the right skill to make the
demand there isn't like you that we would still need to always have access to
you know, cheaper you know, sources of this component off shore. Just
to keep context in in America the manufacturer solar panels. In Canada the management
manufacturers panels. But for some reason the panels that comes to this part of
the world come from China. And the major reason is because because of the
economics of scale that China is for printing up and to get the price in
to a price point where it's easy for markets like hours to absolve this.
Right, even with myning panels from from America, of you know, the
European markets, the price point for Nira times would be won't be talking about
great party, right, I won't be saying that's comparable to great price.
So one thing is setting that you know, without subsidies as well, it
would it would take some time for Nigeria it gets to the scale way,
the price c scope and before we thought of like start to ensure that you
know, local price points are the saver. As you know this suthing this
from China, I think that was the most important is that we solve our
power problem first, so that means we consist continuously have to keep our markets
open so that these products are coming in from the market to where they had
the competitive advantage of producing and selling off show maybe the suppers day already have
from their government. I think that it's important that we first power our countryad
quickly try when the backward integration. This goes down to you know, the
the the the the lower imputs, the smaller imputs that make up these solutions.
I think the point you made around you know, the material has been
sussed. Castina is a good example ways that actually the cereal is also available
locally, so we can overtime build competitive advantage us. Another good example of
having lithium available in Nigeria in the natural states as saying that if we build
batteries because we have the medium available, we have the deposit availble in our
country of the time, we can build competitive advantage in those areas. So
that's something that comes with skill comes you know, with a lot of you
know, improvements in technology, know how, technology know how. But I
think that this means that you know, aspert in these spaces with's hopefully more
foreign investments, we know how it can be transferred to the Nigeria and maybe
in the next decade or would see a lot of these solutions be able to
you know, compete price wise. Now I'm saying a lot of that's to
say that we have a opportunities to solve seting products. Sure where the competitive
advantage today, and then we can continue to leverage that to ensure that Nigeria.
I guess the point where you know twenty four our power. Yes,
it's a given. It's advisible to anyone that you know wants to you know,
access to such solutions. I found I found a bitter and call.
So this was the company. It was set up by NASINI. The any
and I does. The national was the National Agency for Science Engineering Infrastructure.
So this company is seven point five megawatts solar planel production plant. This capacity
twenty one mega wat. I know if that's what it means, the capacity
megawatts. It was set up ten years ago, back in twenty thirteen.
Too many in in Karashi is in Karashi, Abuja and they basically we're making
panels solar. I think they nere handle it over. We're probatly guy,
I'm really not sure. I can't get more information, but this is the
company. What about it's a semi own plans thirteen, it's in a I
will get more info. Trying to keep get guys to speak calib don't you
want to ask the question just as we're rounding out that right, what is
your biggest cost in your factory in color in portar court and what would you
think? What support do you think it's gonna make came to you like says
what can we do for you to crush your presence process? What would you
answer? What's your biggest cost think you're gonna do for you today to crush
good? Thank you very much for the really amazing question. It might be
a very easy answer. What I would like I'd like to take a different
round so that my biggest question is UK equipments like atomitted equipments for instance,
to many functioning battery those your power bank factory cells. So if the fact
contained like about eight thousands, so just to give me a context of what
if one of our products is by the way, it's an only one device
as the invert your battery, your charge control in one solar funnel and then
it gives you energy to have a allows you uptimaility over one from your energy
and all due to this in house for powerselves. So that's your question.
Each of the part about one thousands of those batteries selves. Right now,
you need a machine that comprens human beings, we definitely have at some points.
So now so I could isn't tell me that the machines that the person
are very very expensive like one of those missions like you won't have also read
album one of those missions and that's just one. You absolutely others equipments as
well. But I will tell you the expensive part for me, which is
the value around now is one of the it gets values is the ability to
think our mindsets. Now all of the massines do that need is for we
use them by ourselves in house. I mean it's almost a shock, and
this is because we had Now this is something that we have very you very
well. We need to certain limits, two certain engineering boundaries. I don't
believe that we can completely just like in Africa like you feel like, which
is we are car so a more advanced that my years of experiencing and calib
calm I've taken up. I took a great question for you, but it's
a great question like what do you need and what is your biggest cost?
Even though he's listening, so I would say, hey, my biggest cost
is this, and this is what I need, I would sit at real
quick. You don't know who he's listening. I what is in this valid
want you to answer that question real quick, just to put it out there.
Yeah. So so for the what's the reality my biggest okay, what's
your biggest cost? Like wait, you look at when you look at your
your income statement and your expension, what's your biggest expense in your factory gets?
Also is almost the same as is that like the importanduty or the transportation?
What is the specific cost what they're getting? What does that cost?
Is the cost of important or the cost of moving the clerics? What was
the cost? Okay? What of important? Uh? Okay? Because so
if some question for you, right if the for instance, the sovereign weld
formed, for instance, came to you, I said, we're going to
invest in your factory to expand it. But in the meantime, do we're
going to place in massive order for components batteries and we're going to cause them
to not charge your duty it would come into Nigeria and no duty because we're
going to generate power locally. We do then sort of get people like promise
promise is but I'm not asking promise if you were getting batteries at half the
price, would you go to this your own price by fifty percent? If
if if you're Caleb and please I gave you a battery at a lower price,
do that translates to you taking your puys down by fifty percent? Yes?
So wa wain okay excellent? So what guide us from you? So
what we're saying now is that if there's a way at the government, because
we don't manufacturers at scale in Nigeria, if there's the way we can bring
in solar panels and where we can bring it batchy packs and tell the customs
not to charge import duty so he comes in into Nigeria, because we're going
to use that impute to make wealth in Nigeria. So there's no point customs
charging duty. If you can't pay the freight it comes in, you can
take it to your factory. Like that, he can make more locally manufactured
batchers and selves. That would be a force multiplier, as they say,
for the natural economy of the right. Yeah okay, So I mean so
you want to Yeah, great, I just want to get that point across
pit I want is this something I just wanted to ask to that point that
the government it did has programs like that already. Okay, so there's something
called by friends in the space also know that. So when you're set components
like batteries, you can't get your waiver, you know, to ensure that
you don't have to pay duties. I just got to share that, so
that of the ages as as well, to be clear. So you said
that if I a in part, if I'm importing those components, duties and
adant customs exactly, so you're able to apply. So whilst you're you know,
confirmed your shipments, you can also immediately apply to the government to constums
for an idea and that idea gives you weaver opmigunity for your shipments. So
this could combine matters and batteries. So just to say that, you know
the you know the agency agencies doing to support you know, the growth of
the industry and they setting with asdiately. So as we do want research,
we can also ensure that we're getting the best prices so that we can transfer
those we can. Peter answer the question, so it does exist. Why
why are people like why lower if we can bring in these things without paying
custom why everyone doing that? So I think the information is very important.
This is why we're using this platform and this is why we're very wayful to
you for you know, creative performs like the industry players together. So information
is important. Also, some of these are new developments, so sometimes it
takes a while, you know, for all of this to sort of like
become mainstream. And it's a lot of these place. Also the times is
so that we perfect them and do it that scary. So I think those
are those are those things supports largely. I think that the you know,
the country has not just inmo the new rate of the dollars, the dollar
wasn't wh it was today, so ab some of these benefits started to come
in were hit by significant jump in the price of these equipment. A lot
of the people in the space know that, you know, and it's because
less than that the price it is today. So the systems were telling you
about Ninelio today, some of them were read on, you know, in
genera of last year. It's just to give the context that obviously, as
if the evaluation impact hits the market, some of the value that's brought from
tariff redocution or weather or weavers where you know, it wasn't a You know,
we're able to see the immediate impact of those simons, right, so
I think that over time as we are just I would see the benefits that
are also, you know, the goverment has done to sort of like the
industry. Okay, so I'm going to just sort of close out the space
if you guys don't mind with this question to you. And I mean again,
I'm a caliber as like when you're aware of this importanuty with a thing
for batteries, where you're aware of it that exists, let me try to
use it. I beg, I beg, I beg. Share that with
me. Please let me just broadcast so in case all the folks that want
to do this, they can be aware of this space. So just d
M me or shirt me and make sure broadcast. And again just yes,
sir, and I'll just to make the point again, this is a space
where trying to find solutions on this space of not I not criping or saying
because no, I want to find solutions. Power going up. And what
I read in the papers is that in the next three years, the band
A price is going to be applied to band B, band C and all
that so this band A is coming to you, so you don't say,
oh, Peter has said that, and A is great, neutral and all
that it's coming to you. So if the dollar stays where it iss or
dollar goes up, the path is gonna go up. So you are basically
educating yourself now on how you can avoid that staying down the face. Even
if great power is available. This can be for your rural home or your
village home, or even for your business. You can move some equipment onto
the inverta that you can have as emergency power whilst your prey. So this
is not something that you say it doesn't concern me. It will concern you
one way or the other. Right, So we're doing this space to get
the information out there. I have learned a lot of Trytor, really,
I want to just learn, and I've been a lot from Peter Promins and
I kind of coming here, but I'm just sort of now go to the
finance side of it. Right, Peter, I saw you, I saw
you guys picture with bullets. He came to visit your factory. I'm gonna
talk about scaling, right, are you guys? I want to start from
Peter, I are you looking at for you investors, how are you guys
funded the money part of it? I you guys don't do an IP if
you can, you don't have to say that. But what is the plan
for you guys going forward to list that's a space for you then go ahead.
Thank you, thanks, thanks for mentioning that. So today energy is
supported and you know has been invested in the search arch. Some of the
investors of manage to be include notable DFIs such as you know, the Norwegian
Development Finance Institution, which is no fund. Also, we have the DFI
as one of our investors, which is the European the df I, like
you mentioned, break Through Energy Ventures, which is led by the Gates you
know, is also one of the investors of energy today. And we also
have all One, which is a harm of Shell you know that focuses on
energy access. You know, it's also an investor in energy. Again,
we believe that there is a lot of you know, capital flows in the
climate space today, right, So I think from the private capital standpoint with
the business as you know, has been heavily funded you know, and has
been venture back over the last five years, right, which has assisted the
business in growth. Right, So again, we continue to leverage the capital
availability, the development space and in them that investment space to continue to grow
the efficacy of our solution to the markets. And if in the future it's
as we also bring this opportunity so they properly to take you know, ownership
in the business and also to raise more capital. I think that's in the
future. That's the day that we could explore. But that those are conversations
that would happen watch later. I think what you're likely to see more,
you know, in the net medium to net end is maybe accessing the the
capital markets. You know, so true commercial paper issuances, you know,
board issuance is where you know iNTS can get also participates supporting the guts of
the convince and energy and the space as a whole. So we're looking a
little more of debt not equity, I get that right. Yes, so
the business is well for in equity today. You know, we have a
solid capital pies and we continue to have response that believe in the business and
want to continue to back. Oh yes, well we would most likely be
the market. Okay, but I'm not I'm not putting on the spot,
Peter, I'm not putting on the spot. But I'm just saying that even
if you guys didn't listening on the market, not to responds, just like
maybe in listening by production, that's also going to boost the Natuck plus market.
Of course, put your guys out there so it can just be listening
another naturally ENGINEX has a it's called the group board, just to be there,
and I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that it's something that's
want to look at. So we also expanded deep in the junk Apore market.
But great work. Very impressed that you guys are doing so fast.
Thank you so much, and thank you again for the opportunity. All right,
welcome mister Caleb also as well. I know you are more you are
still you are really really at the start up or consutional stage. What's your
plan? How are you forming? Are you going to raise fund from the
custo market? Are you being dead? What do you have in mindself?
Okay, you very much. So we have so at this point to skill
we have like uh as for meated uh, majorly from real estate, and
we're also looking to yes, we are very much uh what yesterday? Okay,
So I mean this is a different, different but you've got to go.
So you've got to go now. I have to speak an investment banker.
I start to package documentation. You know, if you want to skill,
you have to have the right paper and say this is what we are
doing. These are our numbers. We want to get funding to do X,
Y and z. I think you have a good product and the environment
now suits you. Even if it's not commercial funding. I think DFIs will
also be very interested in you. Ministered going to be interested in you.
I'm surprised no one has has invested in you. But no many people a
d M order my system. So you should organize yourself intell, right,
so if you come and knock on your door, you can say this is
what I'm looking for. This are my non is My doesn't just advice right
that way? You know people want to impest in opportunities, right, so
make yourself an opportunity, right kill all right? Okay, yeah, okay,
ready, okay, I can help you with that if you DM after
this, If you have something you can send him, I have a few
I can on it by as well. Promise not not not to leave you
hanging. Promise I know you are not quote unquote manufactor anything. But what
what is your own sense You are funding your your your customers, bere the
but in your own self, how are you also going to scale? You
are doing as training? What is your own idea of scaling or would that
be if you scale? Looks look at for you going to be a star
front retail outlets out there better? Yeah, my skill is going to be
in form of pretty by offering the services because I noted that we have so
many solar install of them don't know about out installer, Like you're not going
through the business. It was dropping from the city into installation. So I'm
kind of looking for like a partners by say all these beings for the company
get installation install like certifying Stoller to go and do the ass for them coming
there see for instance installation and like this over that thing because looking from the
rest is that Okay, Okay, I'm probably promise question for you. Are
you are you trained? Are you certified? How did you how did you
become satisfied? Okay, so you have to I'm giving advice. You have
to create your Twitter paid around your business. Right, I don't see promise
energy look at look at you see you see the handle. There's energy,
so you want to do the same thing they've done. You want also put
your on your picture, your your fight, put it out there. You've
paid for it, so put it out there. So you sort of credentialize
yourself because people want to do it with some as it's a corporate if you
have like I said, it's just a guarantee yourself. You just saying they
give warranty and you can say the price difference with the warranty. So you
want to imitation the more flattery. You're never gonna ahead of you copy of
that young private yourself. You're here with them, you know, and you
can grow now you have a footprint. So I see you people already asking
you question on Twitter, take advantage package yourself and then the world is all
you say, your oyster. Yeah all right, so good job. So
we're gonna close. I know if anyone has any clothing to comment thoughts before
I shown on the space. I w've got a few guys here. A
lot of it is not anomal space, guys, but it's a space for
information. We are always looking at how money will have your money if you
can mind your money. And this is the biggest story if you want to
ask me this week or even this year, because what it means is that
if you are paying more for power, you have less money to invest any
budget that you had. And this is maybe the saying is great, but
like I said, this Grade A will cut across the board because if I'm
a bakery and I'm paying Grade A, I will pass the cost onto you
down go the refinery will be out right. And if don't go to refinery,
is that means diesel will come to the Julia That would more or less
help the costing of diesel power. Yes, so I don't know what the
negative effect will be. If it did that diesel will will kick off the
expensive great here, I'm not sure, but this is going to be a
major change in your budget, in your spending, even in your world.
Right, So what you want to do is to find out how you can
sort of, you know, head against this. That's what to do on
this space. So let me just take a few questions. I think I've
got to guys I want to speak, let me get tell me, let
me see tell me the world, who is our sponsor? Tell me the
guys from UH and shell me. Please go ahead and use yourself. I
know you you sponsored this space today. Thank you again for doing that.
Yeah and only we have but thank you, so please also talk about I
can hear you thank you for using market intelligence for your markets takes. We
are so watful for that. I'm really exactly about this space because most of
the guys book about something that will really step before and that's what I want
for. What this book about is the iduty tools that always have to monitor
what you use. So let me tell you what I think most like,
just need to learn how to manage what we have. So if you have
in five KP and you wanted to last for four hours, you should put
the exactly load to put on it for that period. And that's why the
idols that most of the comperections have a very important so you're able to monitor
what to need, what conswer or give an example where I was living in
the part in Nigeria or using that I was to wait that way able to
use a chad for it for next six hours. I used for hours basically
because power does the things that we need where we needed because you know what
the consution is. Now like the other guyport his name when you put too
much load on your products. He brownces and people who just you know the
one you have five sis, you have six secs. You have this.
You do need to use all of them at the same time, which one
is privately and when one is in the sitting room, which is working.
Now if you're not your room, you don't need to have your life on
so that it spends the the lifespan right from the analytics, because you can
see it from anywhere. You can call your duran say, look, you
guys, switch these places because it's just service. If you blow it out,
because remember you have to charge and you blow it, you have to
lean out to you because the more you put on it, the more you
would train it out. It's like it's like marchanalytics where you have to learn
to look at it every time optimize optimize optimists. You get more long term
because if you if you use it too much like you've got it because it's
brand new, it tell he has to become five years. Unfortunately. That's
just this was my total the developments that they are doing, the iotes and
the connections that they're doing on their side, which is for me manufacturing,
what can manufacturer and when it comes to developing so you can help money and
save money. This way, I am cure what they're all doing. Well,
these are entrepreneurs take going into the ditches to manufactured power products, all
of them from the peas or color probably all in that space. It's not
a difficult place to be in. But they're doing it, you know.
So we have we given that. Thank you so much that Tommy, I
appreciate you doing that and also produced posting the space. Also, can you
talk about your own mathemaetics? What's happening this week? Just in case are
we going to make money this week? Well, you have a marketizing I
need people make money and lose money every day. It depends on what you
say to the market and why the people you don't as will say you reports
right, but the ares that you need Actually when I say actually, for
example, people will talk about in marketing, so in stock market or doesn't
speak to the givide of brands. It's just an overview right things around as
if we give's around the top five top ten, right, it's good information,
right because how would you know with brands to investing, how would you
know which one is growing up? We want to but you will say there's
stump and dump in stop market. If we have are used moning sights,
right, if we have been a date on your dash for for example,
you have with to date, you have month to dates. We have data
analytics. What that HAPs to do is if you see today to know who
is grewing? Do you understand on Monday Tuesday was this brand is growing up?
I'm plugging at the right time. If you have more to date,
you know your product because it's the last one month, right, and if
you here today you see a products because it's for the longer your So don't
happen because what happened with you with what we get quected from maybe procas that
the police they take top five right, top ten are the lowest five at
all. And now what happens is I Mandy particular brand has plowed ten two
days, right, you have close ten two days, you have percent today,
you have ten, the next twenty percent in one week. But as
to start dropping that going by two two percent for the next thirty days,
because you are two percent, you're in between the lawyer and I are you
not appearing any of the reports of the broadcast? Now what that does for
you is you would have thought you were doing twenty percent by one month of
two percent lost without forty percent? Looks do you understand? So it makes
sense for businesses to understand where to stand by using proper analytics reports to do
what they're doing. And it's good that we'll be formilier and I need to
do to put it out there. There's lots of visions about you are injured
and just gives you information. Is the place where you're the I would like
it. They give you as more information as possible, but it's between information
and inside and has any when you say sales, I say profit to trees,
it's just the vanity, but probably tells you exactly what the business is
doing and how you can go. So they are tofer. So we provide
trying to put data because of all this probably has said any guys that this
to it, kind to it and we take it back from the market to
build the insights right and I'm very happy with that play. The Sibian as
said, places back we go to raise money, there's no banker and raise
money back data and I can't tell you for free who banker is. Money
we have doing and a machine learning and I'll tell you why that is so
the business day. Every investor wants to know the fluctility of your currency before
if I invest in your business. They want to know. So if I
put money here, like what happens toward recently, over the last year as
well last sixty years, well last twenty five years, what is the percentage
change in currency in four years? Sego, so that I know if I
have another eighties the currency will change by two percent, will lose by two
percent or by five percent? Yes, next eight yes, these people's crazy,
right, will lose percent maximum now we have recently is just outliers.
They are not our siety. You need to know seasonality, you need to
know patterns, you need to do traits, and every issue needs to have
that standing because if you're an issue and you don't have those, those insights
in resource will find out and we will tell you based on this information,
I can't invest that because before ratility you're in your country? Is this?
You tell them our siety is this. We have our fliers at this point,
this point, but this is worth our maimm change loss for over the
next five years, and I'll tell you thereabout we won't lose what a ten
percent except different preables that we have with system changes by CFOs that look you
need to do. Make sure that your brand uses analytics to keep your share
price up because the kind of fair price will have its all determine type of
investors you have. But I'll tell you why. If you if your share
price keeps going up and comes our looks, you attracted short sellers. And
what that means. What that means is that short what that misses for short
selling if your enterprise goes up to twenty, they buy at sixteen when it
gets twenty it self because they know it will come back to twelve, and
you buy again at the lower price. Gotcha, gotcha. You should always
attract shows based on the way of your your profile, your stocking or if
able to keep it properly. You can't show your business because if the business
keeps going up and open up where you buy a fifteen, when are you
going to sell? Because he's at twenty, he goes twenty two, you
can never go to you to say it because if you sell it, that's
eighteen the next time you want. But we are twenty two seven. So
trying to sustainable way of managing that one investments with you for a long time
and like you can. It's like you said to me, top market is
where wealth is built. Stay all of them, don't. You don't speak
like nineteen In ten years, stop market did two percent two yes, and
I just say ten years two two percent is nineteen point. But you know
you had undred initial understand so that gives it one on nineteen percent combinder to
tool. So if you're to build long term wealth to the stop market,
but you need to know that the insights that getting to plant is more important
than than just gotcha, I got you. Yeah, good point, good
point. Yeah, I don't. I don't crowd out Peter and the rest
of the so guys, so let me just Peter promised, Uh, let
me take the last I think he's been here for what. I let you
guys go for the day. I appreciate you guys real quick. I am
Sagio Classic brand real quick at the last game, because you don't been waiting.
Sergio don quick comments before we shot down the space Sergio Classic. Alright,
Sagio, thanks for requesting Peter promise and Caleb. I appreciate you guys
for coming. Short notice, favorite short notice for coming and for sharing with
the community what we can do. The key point for me that I picked
up is that this this pros you guys have is great. Neutral and new
word for me mean that if I use them correctly, it's almost at the
same cost as the grade. So I make an initial payment, but initialment
pays me back and I'm able to control how I can use my power.
So that's savings for me. If I'm not at home as produce off.
Maybe if we start feeding times literally next year, I could make on it
from it. For now, I can control that cost as long as the
initial capital outly, it's a huge capital outlet, but you're gonna have said
that. Listen, we can get the capital, or we can get a
loan from banks, and cannot to share those banks without sending we promise,
so it's not all cash deal. I can finance that that offer and also
be impressed that they're making these things locally. People who share that. We
can also even import these things at zero maybe lower tariff, so that with
the cost can come down. Our whole goal is to bring down the cost
so that the household can have more money to consume. The issue that is
the lack of consume shut up where the companies are not investing on hiring people
because nobody's consuming this. Tiifts PMS dollars all up to removing funds from the
household that it cannot consume. So again, thanks guys for it, for
coming here. That's that we're gonna shot shut the space down guys next week.
Last say your last Peter promise and calib and we'll be here on an
hour minutes Peter and the last words I think, let's promise Peter, you
can have to get picture my promise and the last words from you before we
go. Yeah, I just don't. I want to appreciate it once again
for bringing onto this. I won't read Niger manager energy meaning is arning on
some more degrees than an efficiency, but by this seems to be sugar money
and energy efficiency. The system last longer. What down this specified time is
there? Thank you? Thank you so much for that caliber. Any quick
closing words from you before I come out to Yeah, so thank you very
much for this one opportunity and also thank you for PROMI for boy you said,
and just to add to that, won't be viewed that this for our
mover actually helps you to manage the energy conveniently without stressing your head or brains.
Will so our mover, I tell you how much energy your homes for
resuming, and then you can also improve the Okay, you don't want to
consume particular anymore, you want to consume about wife wears a level your last
for as long as it was twenty hours for I was as oppose as is
great to also tell you exactly how much energy consuming at the particular time and
the moment you exceed that energy. Church would they say by just putting on
in ink, what's like goal? This system immediately gives you new time that
you have inceded man and if you calm down immediately to sort up with However,
it is completely a enable and addition freedom that we need to run into
energy. Excellent. Thanks for Kailer, appreciate you find out for us.
Peter, how are you, sir? Thanks for having Thank you so I
would just say that thank you again for giving us this opportunity to stay here
and to market products for everyone who is interested in energy products. This is
our Twitter handle is on this call and the name of the contents energy spelled
A R N R Y. You can go see our website or check us
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people who already have solar who may want to buy new batteries or add more
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be sure that Allergy will be around. The business has been around for ten
years. We will definitely be around for ten years and longer to continue to
support our products in this market. So please go to our shops and buy
our products. And also you will integrated, so be sure you can buy
us. Also, our solutions are scalable. You can as as five and
go over twenty k. I will continue to support you. Thank you,
thank you so much. Guys. Hey, all good tings will come to
an end. We're going to wind down and just make this last point.
So if you are being power and ania you have a solution that will reduce
costs for the consumer, please dm me. I can share that for the
con to on my space my timeline at no cost to you. So folks
have that happening right and we can get these things at a cheaper course.
Thanks for my guest, Thank you all for listening. I hope you guys
have a great start of your week and Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday, Tursday
and Friday times to be excellent for you guys on Donnel guys. I'll see
you guys next week. Have a good day and bye.