WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:04.000 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI AM six forty, the 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:09.000 Gary and Shannon Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app Saturday afternoon. Take a 3 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:18.399 look at what happened over Those are the gunshots that rang out at that rally 4 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:23.600 in Butler, Pennsylvania. Apparently hit the President in the ear, thankfully. 5 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:29.359 That's all a lot of questions though, how was somebody able to take their 6 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:34.759 position with a rifle on that nearby rooftop. The Secret Service, of course 7 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.600 at the center of many of these questions. Brian Clark is joining us. 8 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:40.719 He's a correspondent for ABC News Life in New York with some of the latest 9 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:44.640 on all of this. Brian, good morning, Good morning, Thanks for 10 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:48.439 having me. So where do we stand in terms of the investigation. We 11 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:53.119 have a dead suspect, but there's gotta be some amount of work that's been 12 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.640 done over the last forty eight hours or so trying to find out exactly who 13 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.479 this was and what his motive was. Right That's one big area of the 14 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.799 investigation right now is looking at this twenty year old in western Pennsylvania who grew 15 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.480 up about an hour south of where the shooting took place. And what we 16 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:14.519 found is the fact that this is a guy who didn't really show much of 17 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:17.319 a motive, or at least nothing that's jumped out yet to the FBI. 18 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.840 There are no signs that he was working with anybody else. He appears to 19 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:25.280 be your standard lone wolf that carried out this kind of attack. ABC. 20 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:27.040 We've been able to track down some people he went to high school with. 21 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:32.560 He tried out for the rifle team at his high school and apparently was told 22 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:36.079 not to come back. Two of the members actually said he was a really 23 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:40.319 bad shot. Graduated in high school twenty twenty two. He graduated a community 24 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:45.280 college this past spring. He was working as a dietary aid at a nursing 25 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:49.319 home and there's been no reported problems. You know, the classmate have said 26 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.000 he was quiet, kept to himself. Some people said that he was more 27 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.959 of a loaner. They said that maybe he was bullied a little bit. 28 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.040 But we are getting that clear. I think we will get even more of 29 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.159 a clear pitch. Sure, his family is cooperating with law enforcement as they 30 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:06.439 try to figure out what caused him to do this. Brian, one of 31 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:12.120 my big questions about the Secret Service response to this is after the shots rang 32 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.800 out, they jump on top of the former president and then he is able 33 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:21.159 to have his head his chest exposed in front of that crowd for several seconds 34 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.599 after that, you know, and to me, it seems antithetical to what 35 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:29.439 the Secret Service is there to do, is just to shield him, especially 36 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:35.759 after there has been at least one threat that revealed itself. That's I think 37 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.840 one of the many questions that we're going to be asking of the Secret Service, 38 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.840 and I'll probably be asked on Capitol Hill as some Senate and House committees 39 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.599 want to hear more about what happened. And that is one because we've seen 40 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:53.039 it happen before where when there's a scare or when there's even maybe a balloon 41 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.319 popping something like that, you see the Secret Service jump on top of the 42 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:00.719 person and get them out of there. The fact that he was able to 43 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:05.520 get back to his feet and like you said, just kind of almost posed 44 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.840 there, and sure it reassured the crowd that he was all right, But 45 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:12.759 that does seem to go as he said, It seems to be ant ethical 46 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.120 to everything we hear about the Secret Service. So I think that's one of 47 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:20.240 the many questions that we're going to be looking for an answer. And my 48 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.479 understanding, as you mentioned, that Congress is going to have those questions. 49 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.560 Probably a week from today is when we'll see the head of the Secret Service 50 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:31.879 before Congress in some capacity. Right. Yes, we're going to hear you 51 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.719 know, President Biden's ordered this Blue ribon investigation, but these congressional committees they 52 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.360 want to hear for law enforcement as well. Everybody wants to hear some answers 53 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:46.639 about what happened from the Secret Service director, from the Director of Homeland Security. 54 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.960 I think we'll probably want to hear from you know, maybe people involved 55 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.800 in the FBI, local law enforcement in Pennsylvania. There's going to be a 56 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.039 big investigation here as to what happened. All right, Brian, good stuff, 57 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.919 Thank you, appreciate it, thank you. You know, the more 58 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.719 I think about the breaking news that the former President's going to announce his VP 59 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:10.520 pick today, the more I'm kind of shocked by that. Wouldn't you want 60 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:14.199 the attention to be on you for at least another day? Milk this thing? 61 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.040 Oh, I think that's exactly why he's doing it. I mean, 62 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:20.199 think about this. He's a hero right now, though, I meane a 63 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:26.040 lock he's a hero. Right now. The wave is very high. He 64 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.959 survived an assassination attempt by millimeters, right, Why wouldn't you just stay on 65 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.800 top of that wave. Why give the attention to anybody else. But he 66 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:41.600 got a huge ruling today from Florida where John jay Leen Cannon dismissed that classified 67 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:45.519 documents case. I would if I were advising him, I would say, 68 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.160 today's the day. Really, you're going to rule this week. This week 69 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.240 is going to be the coronation that you've been waiting for. Yes, but 70 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.480 tomorrow is kind of Today and tomorrow are kind of quiet days at the convention. 71 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.800 Things don't get really rolling until midweek, and I would think that you'd 72 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:05.720 want to ride this at least today, maybe even tomorrow tomorrow night. So 73 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:12.240 if we do hear anything new at least from law enforcement about what's coming out 74 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:16.240 of the shooting in Pennsylvania, definitely we'll bring that to you. President Biden, 75 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.560 by the way, has canceled, for the most part, a bunch 76 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:23.920 of different campaign events he and the Vice president were planning over the next couple 77 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:30.160 of days out of deference to the assassination attempt. And we do know that 78 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.920 he is still Biden is still planning on doing the interview with Lester Holt tonight. 79 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:38.439 This is another one of those NBC promises that they're going to air the 80 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.560 whole thing. I don't know how long that means, fifteen twenty minutes or 81 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.920 so. If that's what if they take a cue from George Stephanopolis. But 82 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.000 you thought security was tight when we were at the RNC eight years ago. 83 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:55.199 There are local, national, federal police every single place in Milwaukee, everywhere 84 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.120 you look, and it's important to explain what that is because I don't think 85 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.199 people realize how tight it was eight years ago, and that was without an 86 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.360 assassination attempt. Eight years ago. You and I had the opportunity, along 87 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.160 with producer Oscar to go to the Republican National Convention when it was held in 88 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:16.480 Cleveland, and we've both covered high profile events before, but I've never seen 89 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:21.079 security like we saw at the Republican National well at both of them both. 90 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:27.600 The Democratic Convention was a week later in Philadelphia, but the Secret Service lockdown 91 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:34.120 of downtown Cleveland was incredible. We've covered presidential visits that didn't have security like 92 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:41.519 that it was, and it is even more tight in Milwaukee following what happened 93 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.959 over the weekend. I mean, I'm not sure how much extra beef was 94 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.120 called in. I don't know how that works with the protocols, but they 95 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:53.759 say that a secret service. Local police departments from the east to the west 96 00:06:53.800 --> 00:07:00.399 coast are just everywhere there. Coastguard choppers are seen flying across Milwaukee over the 97 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:09.199 weekend. It's impossible to drive anywhere. Streets blocked off with those concrete barriers, 98 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:14.759 trying to walk around them. I remember that too, trying to find 99 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:18.639 an entrance around the concrete barriers to cross the street. The entire section, 100 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:23.160 I would say, in Cleveland at least was about a six square block area, 101 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:27.360 because you had the parking garage that became sort of radio row and where 102 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.680 TV studios had set up. You had the arena itself where the Cleveland Cavaliers 103 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.160 play, and that was where the main events took place. The baseball stadium 104 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.920 is right there. But that was also a secure area because it was basically 105 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.600 just easier for them to cordon that off and there were only two ways you 106 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:46.560 could get in. There were only two gates if you were members of the 107 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.800 media or the public that we're going to go to the or a delegate or 108 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.079 something like that. There were only two ways that you could get in, 109 00:07:53.439 --> 00:08:01.279 and both of them dozens and dozens of very heavily armed, full uniform Secret 110 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.519 Service officers, the magnetometers that you had to walk through, the bag searches 111 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:09.600 that you had to undergo, and you had to be badged the entire time. 112 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.759 You had to have your lanyard with your credential on it visible at all 113 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.639 times. So what does that conference call sound like? After everyone who I've 114 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:22.920 talked to in law enforcement, everything I've taken in from law enforcement officials, 115 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.160 people that have worked the job, have said, this was a major f 116 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.120 up. The fact that that guy was able to be on the roof, 117 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.559 and there's so many things that don't add up. How was he able to 118 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.000 be on the roof when they had Secret Service on other roofs but not that 119 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:43.080 one. The audio that made the rounds of the past forty eight hours of 120 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.639 the guy who said I saw this. I told the Secret Service, Hey, 121 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:50.480 there's a guy on the roof right there. Looks like a guy with 122 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:52.720 a rifle is going on that roof. This is the guy from that BBC 123 00:08:52.879 --> 00:09:01.240 interview. Yeah, we noticed the guy crawling bear crawling up the roof of 124 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:05.799 the building beside us now. And I've seen video this morning. I saw 125 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.039 video of him crawling on the roof, not just this guy describing it, 126 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:15.960 but other cell phone video from people who saw him. And actually you see 127 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.600 him make his way up onto the roof and shimmy up towards the peak of 128 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.080 the roof so that he can peek over with his gun. I mean, 129 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.360 how okay, So beyond that your point of what was the conference called? 130 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:33.240 What did sounded like? From late Saturday into Sunday? For Milwaukee, They're 131 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:39.679 already at one hundred percent security, right, they are already doing regular bomb 132 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:45.279 sweeps in the arena. They're already doing regular credential checks on every person that's 133 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:50.519 within one hundred yards. I think they're bigger concern now is as we saw 134 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.960 in both Cleveland and Philadelphia eight years ago, was the free speech areas that 135 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:00.720 have been designated like there's just there's gonna be protesters h and they give them 136 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:05.840 a space so that they're sort of in view of the arena. And in 137 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.600 Philly we had to walk past them as we came into the arena for the 138 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:15.720 Democratic Convention. Their concern now is should we move that farther back, because 139 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.919 you don't know what's going on in some of those places. All of them 140 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.679 are watched, I mean all, but it is outside the actual secure perimeter. 141 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.720 So is there something? And also, let's just pump the brakes real 142 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:31.960 quick and thinking that there's a coordinated effort to assassinate Trump or anybody else. 143 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.840 This was a crazy twenty year old male. Right, We've seen it before, 144 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:43.960 We'll see it again. This isn't something you know, all the municipalities 145 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.120 issuing press releases over the weekend like we're on heightened alert. It's like this 146 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.600 was a crazy kid with a gun. Yeah, but I mean, I 147 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.919 think the question your point earlier was how does a twenty year old kidh a 148 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.480 have the knowledge of where the president's going to speak, be find a building 149 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.519 that's going to be uncovered. Now, I'm not saying there's a conspiracy theory. 150 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.279 I'm not saying that he had somebody on this side. How many questions 151 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.720 for me to move off the conspiracy theory at this point, the Secret Service 152 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.600 needs to come out and answer questions. We need to do a deep dive 153 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.200 on this kid's communicate online or on apps or encrypted apps, or what have 154 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.120 you. There's just too many why's right now for me not to feel a 155 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:28.840 little bit tinfoil hat like you might want to move away from the window because 156 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.840 of the chemtrails. The chemtrails. The shooter behind the assassination attempt reportedly bought 157 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:39.080 fifty rounds of ammunition hours before it went down. Guy bought the bullets at 158 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:45.480 a local gun store there in Pennsylvania before carrying out the attack. CNN reports 159 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.759 one of two local counter sniper teams were supposed to cover the building where he 160 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.639 was perched. It reportedly was meant to be a designated post in the operational 161 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.200 plan, so they're saying it was the local guys that So there was a 162 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.440 report also yesterday from the Associated Press that there was an officer who did respond 163 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.679 to people's calls of hey, there's a guy crawling on the roof with a 164 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.679 rifle. And there's a couple of different versions that I saw. One of 165 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.759 them was that an officer climbed up a ladder. There does not appear to 166 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.000 have been a ladder, but that the officer climbed up a ladder and came 167 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.720 face to face basically with the shooter. That the shooter turned his rifle towards 168 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:33.639 the officer, and the officer retreated or fell or something and didn't do anything. 169 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.159 Doesn't make any sense. That story in itself does not make any sense 170 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:43.919 because well, and then the second version of it was that two officers, 171 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.919 because there was no ladder, one officer boosted the other one up and he 172 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.960 literally stood on the other officer's shoulders to get a view of the roof. 173 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.279 That's when the guy turned his rifle and pointed it at the officer, and 174 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.279 in that moment the officer on top of the other one and slipped and fell 175 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:07.159 and came crashing down. Because you your reaction before the event, yes, 176 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.120 there should have been. They're also this is and again this is a secret 177 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.279 service question that they'll be able to answer, hopefully in the coming days without 178 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.759 giving up too much operational security. Here. If there's an outside officer, 179 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.960 if there's somebody from Butler Police Department or the Butler County Sheriff's Department, and 180 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.240 they see a threat, that's a that's not a I think it's a threat. 181 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.759 The guy literally has a rifle dressed in civilian clothing. He's not one 182 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.320 of us. Is there a word you call over the radio? Back to 183 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.679 command center or back across all of the chap This is a well oiled machine. 184 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.799 It should be a well oiled machine. And and and the fact that 185 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.799 it came out a local counter team or what have you, that's falling on 186 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.000 their shoulders. No, no, no, no, it's the Secret Services 187 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.120 party. They need to have all of those te's crossed and ives dotted. 188 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.879 If there's local guys that are assigned to that building, they need to make 189 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:05.759 sure those local guys are at that building. Before the event, there was 190 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.519 another Secret Service agent, longtime guy, worked for the Secret Service for twenty 191 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.759 two years. His name is Jeffrey James. And what he said was, 192 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:18.480 obviously, this is crazy. How could somebody with a rifle get that close? 193 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.399 His version of it was maybe he was so far under the radar that 194 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.919 they weren't even expecting him to be that close. Because the snipers that we 195 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.559 saw literally behind the president on the barns or buildings that were right behind him, 196 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.399 that they may have been looking out farther. I mean, these guys 197 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.200 are trained at one thousand yards easily, so maybe that's kind of what they 198 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.960 were looking at. Is there's no way there's somebody on this building that's this 199 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.759 close, because we know Butler County Police Department has it or something like that, 200 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.399 and they're looking farther out maybe, which is I mean, but still 201 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.279 you have to make sure if there's a team that's supposed to be there, 202 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.440 that they're there before the event. It's not on the snipers. That's not 203 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:07.840 their fault. And he was a very slight person. Distill does there's no 204 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.240 reason why that building wasn't cleared and manned and where were the roadblocks? That's 205 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.600 the other part about this is I know that you've got the absolute inner sanctum 206 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.559 of security, which is the stage itself and wherever the president physically is. 207 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.320 There's only a certain number of people who are allowed in that space. You've 208 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.039 got the rally goers themselves, who all went through magnetometers, they all have 209 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.840 been checked. They all were not allowed to carry bags and stuff in there. 210 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.440 And then you've got the fair grounds itself, which had a fence around 211 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.960 it, and a lot of the people that said they saw this guy climbing 212 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:45.039 up on the roof were the ones who were outside the fairgrounds. They were 213 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.720 on the fence line literally just to listen. They couldn't see the president. 214 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.559 They were there to listen to him, and they were the ones who at 215 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:58.120 least pointed out this guy before before the shooting took place. It's just insane, 216 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:03.039 all right. We will continue with everything that we know coming up next, 217 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.759 also classified documents. Case too right, big day, big day, 218 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:15.039 big win for Trump, big win in November. That's locked. The Democrats 219 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.399 shouldn't even waste their time in Chicago. I said this earlier. There will 220 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.960 be no more talk about Joe Biden being replaced at the top of the ticket. 221 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.279 It's inconsequential with this. They could run an empty suit like just his 222 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.039 ashes or what have you. It's well, I don't know what's going to 223 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.919 happen. They could run anyone. It's not going to matter. It's inconsequential. 224 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.039 Yeah, those people who are calling the loudest for now is the time 225 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:42.039 to unify. A week ago, four days ago, you were the same 226 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:48.000 people who were suggesting that Trump needs to be in the bulls eye now or 227 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.759 Biden is a threat to our you know, freedom, Orge, I mean 228 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:56.759 right like that. It's important to recognize that you parroting things like that does 229 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.159 add to all of this. It does add to the increase in temperature. 230 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:07.599 So before anybody angrily posts. They're the ones who were saying the You're the 231 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.839 person who said the maybe there's a little time for self reflection. Well, 232 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:18.079 and listen, it's human nature when you don't have all the answers to speculate 233 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.920 about something this magnitude. I mean, talk to Kevin Kostner about it. 234 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:27.200 JFK the movie, right, I mean, there's still conspiracy theories about JFK's 235 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.920 assassination. Was it the Cubans? Was it the CIA? People are still 236 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:36.759 talking about it all these years later. How many years ago? Sixty three? 237 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.200 I mean, of course, in the hours that follow an assassination attempt, 238 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.400 you're going to hear all the theories. That's just our human nature and 239 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.440 we're not going to stop having theories about this ten years down the line, 240 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.400 twenty years down the line. So I came in on Saturday and took over 241 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.440 for Neil who was doing his he was doing the Food show, He's doing 242 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.839 the Fok Report. When all that that's a fun kind of put into this 243 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.000 position of you know, relaying what we knew at the time. And as 244 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:08.920 I was driving in, I remember thinking, consciously, don't fill the void 245 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.920 with fake stuff. There's such a push. Now, this is arguably the 246 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:19.519 largest story that we've done since social media has been as prevalent as it is, 247 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.920 and at least a specific event, a one time event like this, 248 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:30.119 and that knowing that going into it, having to sit down and then say, 249 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:33.599 Okay, we don't have a lot of information, and that vacuum of 250 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:40.039 information can be filled very quickly with all kinds of conspiracy theories about what exactly 251 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.599 happened. Now, there are still legitimate questions. That doesn't that does not 252 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:49.079 constitute a conspiracy theory. There are legitimate questions about what happened, but we 253 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:55.319 have to make sure that the things that we say are those things that are 254 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.599 confirmed. I think that we all got into that unhealthy habit of filling the 255 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.839 void with COVID because so little was known, and so little about our future 256 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.160 and what we were allowed to do and what it would look like moving forward. 257 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.559 So little was known. We were in just such an unknown place for 258 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:17.319 so long that we kind of got used to filling the void with our own 259 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:21.960 thoughts about what should be done or how we should handle things, instead of 260 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.960 being patient and waiting for facts to reveal themselves. Yeah, or just the 261 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:33.440 habit that we got into of throwing some sort of vitriol out on social media 262 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.160 and then expecting it to die in the ether. Well, no one really, 263 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.359 you know, and that's not what happens. I was making my way 264 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:45.000 through x where I do like to find breaking news alerts and video and all 265 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.599 the latest that comes out. It seems to show up their quickest. But 266 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.880 you know what else shows up their quickest is the evil doers and the people 267 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.519 that do want to fill the void with their crazy ass theories. And the 268 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:03.240 meanness that people have when they are behind their keyboards is just insane to me. 269 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.519 I think what frustrated me, I don't know how mean they sound. 270 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:15.880 What frustrated me on Saturday was the quickly debunked stories or posts about something. 271 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:22.160 There was a lot of originally some video that came out of officers, law 272 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:27.880 enforcement officers and bystanders there in the crowd carrying a body down the steps of 273 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:32.200 the grand stand towards the back, and I assume it was the firefighter who 274 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:37.440 ended up was the only thankfully the only fatality outside of the gunman, but 275 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.160 they were carrying his body down the grandstands, and the captions on a lot 276 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.400 of the tweets were, oh, they got him, he was got the 277 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:51.279 shooter in the crowd or something like that, when clearly, even by then 278 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:53.920 a few minutes into it, we knew that the shooter could not have been 279 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.279 in the facility, could not have been on the fairgrounds, had to be 280 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.359 somewhere outside of it. Within a couple of minutes from that, we knew 281 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.880 the BBC had to interviewed this guy who said, yeah, I saw a 282 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:07.960 guy in this building outside of the fairgrounds itself. But nobody does anything. 283 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.960 And I know that Twitter and Facebook and all these social media companies struggle with 284 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.359 this, especially in an event, In an event that's going on in real 285 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:21.160 time, that stuff is not taken down and then it just propagates. It's 286 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:27.279 clearly debunkable information, but it just spreads so much quicker than the actual truth 287 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.880 does. And we you know, we've fallen prey to that so many times, 288 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.319 and this, I think this event is one of those where it should 289 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.240 be an acknowledgment. I said it to my kids because we were having this 290 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:41.359 conversation about it yesterday. My son is asking me, well, did you 291 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.279 hear that he may have been a Chinese national or did you hear and I 292 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.680 listen, your son also say that China was coming for our bridges. Yes, 293 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.559 here's the thing. I'm glad that they're at least engaged they knew something 294 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.720 happened. But it's also one of those I say to them, just use 295 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.759 I heard it was a Chinese nestion. Just use us a little bit of 296 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:08.920 logic, and a lot of times that stuff falls apart very quickly. They 297 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:14.519 China do to him. Right. So anyway, that's one of those. 298 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:17.519 That's one of this. This is going to be a crazy day again. 299 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:21.680 The Republican National Convention opens today. Next hour is when they start some of 300 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.920 their informal formal events. I guess at the stage at fiser of Arena. 301 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.400 But the classified documents case against former President Trump has also been dismissed today. 302 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:37.079 The timing of it could not have been better for Donald Trump. The judge, 303 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:42.200 a Trump appointed judge A Lean Cannon, ruled that the Special Council in 304 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:47.559 this case, Jack Smith's appointment, was unconstitutional. So we'll get into that. 305 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.720 There's a lot going on. We're still getting information coming in out of 306 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.920 Pennsylvania about the shooter, about what happened that day. Still a lot of 307 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.960 questions about what happened with the Secret Service and where the breakdown was that allowed 308 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:06.839 somebody to get that close to a former president with a rifle and peel off 309 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.680 a couple of shots. It's all coming up on Gary and Shannon. You've 310 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.039 been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show. You can always hear us live 311 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:18.440 on KFI AM six forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday, 312 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.400 and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.