WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:14.640 He'll be go me, bit, it's the Internet. You're busy. Let's 2 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:17.920 do this for December eleventh, twenty twenty three. For the next hour or 3 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.120 so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess 4 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:25.719 Mornings Live with me Jeff Grub Today we're recovering from the Game Awards while Sega 5 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:30.199 is making Golden Axe more edgy. But first please join me and welcoming today's 6 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.920 co host a Game Mess Mornings. It's Rachel Kaser. Everybody, Rachel, 7 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.840 how are you doing? Hi? I'm sorry about the glare. Helios is 8 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:44.640 basically squatted right over Texas as usual and so like this is his like light 9 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.640 just this is the best I can do to block it out. This is 10 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:50.520 with the curtains draw and the green screen up everything. So Rob, the 11 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.000 sun God is coming for you and as long as I don't lean too far 12 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.840 for this way or he's going to start taking me. Oh no, no, 13 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:02.280 well you're sending goodbye. Yeah no. How have you been? Ah? 14 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.480 Pretty good? I mean after the Game Awards, I detoxed by going 15 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.959 to Anime Frontier this weekend, which is a big anime convention that isn't fort 16 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:14.200 Worth, which, like any good Dallas resident. I only go to Fort 17 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.480 Worth if it's absolutely necessary. But I can show you this. If you 18 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:21.760 hear any squealing in the background, it's my cat. But I can show 19 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.519 you guys these whoa, that's they really are amazing. Because of Ebony and 20 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.400 Ivory from DMC, I asked if they had Scarborough fare from Bayonetta. They 21 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.680 did not. Unfortunately, this is the best they could do. And the 22 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.200 sales guy, after asking me to play a rock paper scissors game with another 23 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.640 customer, he said, because I was such a good sport, he'd give 24 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.120 these to me at a discount. I know it wasn't really a discount. 25 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.079 I home stupid, but at the same time I saw them and I was 26 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.680 just My best friend actually bought them for me because we hadn't bought each other 27 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.959 Christmas presents yet. So he said, let's just buy each other Christmas presents 28 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.159 while we're there. There's gonna be a ton of merch there, and he 29 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.359 said, hey, I'll give these to you for forty dollars and I just 30 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.599 went Sydney. Sydney. Next thing I know, I've got these in my 31 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:06.640 hands. Well, they're great. They look fantastic for people listening to the 32 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.120 audio version Ebony and Ivory. These guns are as big as Rachel Kaiser. 33 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:15.439 They are gigantic. Yep, they are longer than they're almost as long as 34 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.319 my whole arm. Yes, that is incredible stuff. Well, I'm glad 35 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:20.719 that. I'm glad you got a chance to get away from games to the 36 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.560 complete opposite, which is of course anime. The way to do it. 37 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.560 You said you got to meet Steve Bloom and all that stuff. That's fun, 38 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.400 Steve Bloom among other voice actors. I waited in line for three hours 39 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.280 to meet Steve Bloom because unfortunately I got there right as he was going to 40 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.800 lunch, and they said, you know, just you know, just park 41 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.479 up here early in the line. He'll be back soon. He went and 42 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.639 had a nice lunch and then you know, it took a while for the 43 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.280 line to go through, but it was great when you finally got up there. 44 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.400 He's just lovely guy. All the voice actors there are just wonderful people. 45 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:51.759 I've never met. I've never met a voice actor who wasn't just a 46 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.400 delight to be around. Yeah, they seem to be very appreciative of the 47 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.840 industry that made them, you know, made them, you know, they're 48 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.759 famous, whatever it is. But yeah, like it's always nice to see 49 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:06.159 that they pay that back. So glad that worked out. I am. 50 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:08.680 I definitely am recovering from the Game Awards. It was like halfway through the 51 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.120 week and I was already losing my voice and then we had to go do 52 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.039 our live show and that was a struggle for me to speak during that thing. 53 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.520 So very happy with the response though. We had a great time. 54 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.479 It was really fun. It was great to see like all the bits that 55 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.400 I was like, you know, half planning, like being like, ah, 56 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.560 this is pretty stupid, but I'm gonna do this. We had been 57 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.400 star intro our show with a little sketch or whatever, and I'm like, 58 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:35.520 God, no one's gonna find this funny. And everyone seemed to like all 59 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.479 the stuff we did, so that was that was nice. And then yeah, 60 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:42.039 it was just cool to get together with everyone and hang out and do 61 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:46.120 cool stuff all week, which is how it worked out. And very very 62 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:47.840 happy with it. So thanks to everybody who came out, Thanks to everybody 63 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.039 who watched GB at night. That was a ton of fun. A boy, 64 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.759 I liked doing that a lot. Y'all looked like you were having fun. 65 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:59.319 Oh, hello, little daughter. Excuse me? Oh yeah, kitty, 66 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.199 Yeah, get in there. She is very I was afraid she's going 67 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.319 to hit a button and shut me out of the stream or something, of 68 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:08.639 course, but yeah, anyway, Yeah, it looked like y'all were having 69 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:12.680 fun. I think Mike was there. Well, obviously Mike was there, 70 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.120 but I think he said he brought one of our other colleagues, Jordan there 71 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:17.759 too. Yeah, I'd got to meet Jordan for the first time. Yeah, 72 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:20.199 that was great. You got to meet Jordan before you got to meet 73 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.720 me, Yes, exactly. Hey, I feel bad about that, but 74 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:27.720 I'm glad you're here now talking about James with me. It's because I was 75 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.079 the one staying behind and minding the store while everyone else was in la Yep, 76 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.279 it's but like Jordan lives out there. That probably made it easier. 77 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.800 But yes, so it was got to meet Jordan for a little bit at 78 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.959 she was at the office, but I was busy. Mostly I met her 79 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.040 at like a Twitch event later and that was it, And yeah, it 80 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:47.000 was cool. It was great. Now so now now I just got to 81 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:51.800 meet you in person to collect collect all the games beat team to unlock the 82 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:57.040 achievement. Yeah, unlocked the achievement exactly. Yeah, I still haven't met 83 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.519 Mike in person, so you know it's probably gonna be both the Yeah, 84 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.920 I have it. It's just we've kind of missed each other at every single 85 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.399 games Beat event. We've only worked together for two years. Yeah, yeah, 86 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:08.639 he uh right, Like it probably makes sense. It's like, okay, 87 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:10.959 well Michael go to this Game's Beat event, you can go to the 88 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.000 next one. That sort of thing. Yes, we're both the ones who 89 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.920 don't live in California, right, Although I'm I'm hoping y'all can come out. 90 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.040 Either y'all can come out to Texas, or I can do a road 91 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:23.879 trip up to New York or something and pass cross paths with you guys on 92 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.560 the way. I've been looking for a reason to get down to Texas at 93 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.439 some point. I'd like to visit. That's that would great just for the 94 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:30.519 brisket, risk it for the PRIs. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. 95 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.759 I'm talking about the food of course, Yes, yes, exactly. 96 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:36.240 One of my uber drivers tol me all about his favorite Texas barbecue and I 97 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:39.079 was like, this is this is a good kind of Uber driver, the 98 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:43.120 one that just wants to talk about barbecue. All right, let's explain what 99 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.600 we do here most weekdays, I, Jeff Greb, will help piece your 100 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.199 gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our 101 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.560 own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a 102 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:56.040 bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you are watching live 103 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.600 on twitch welcome, You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds 104 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.639 by search for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on giant bomb dot 105 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.959 com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. 106 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.079 Hello YouTube. All right, hello YouTube. We have a lot to 107 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:16.519 get into, so let's start the Morning Mess with Lego Fortnite is propelling Fortnite 108 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.399 to a new level of popularity. This is from Ali Welsh at Polygon. 109 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.759 I didn't realize Fortnite had new levels of popularity to go to. Yes, 110 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.000 and it seems that's like a wild thing like that over the weekend. Yet 111 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.879 again, apparently they had a new high for concurrent players at the same time. 112 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:36.920 Like that's like it just keeps doing that now. Lego Fortnite, the 113 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:41.680 new survival game spin off of the Fortnite phenomenon that Epic Games, launched on 114 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.000 December seventh, is off to a flying start. According to Epic's official player 115 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.680 tracking as recorded by Fortnite dot gg, Lego Fortnite peaked at an astonishing two 116 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:54.279 point four to five million concurrent players on Saturday. To put that number in 117 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.839 context, it's considerably higher than the all time high for any game on Steam 118 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.399 save Player Unknowns Battlegrounds, which peaked at over three million se simultaneous players in 119 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:06.160 January twenty eighteen. It's more than twice as many players as Steam's current most 120 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:11.079 popular game, counter Strike two, had it at the same point on Saturday. 121 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:15.720 Lego Fortnite is also the dominant game mode within Fortnite itself right now. 122 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.160 It's drawing roughly twice as many players, is the main Battle Royale mode, 123 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.720 and a comparable number to the Battle Royale Zero, Build and ranked modes combined. 124 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.879 Epic launch to two other new games within Fortnite last week, Arcade Racer 125 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.399 Rocket Racing and Rhythm Game Fortnite Festival. These are not nearly as popular as 126 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.560 Lego Fortnite, although their peak player counts are deep into six figures and would 127 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.759 still be the envy of all but the top three of four to four games 128 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.839 on Steam. Rachel. When I was like first hearing like rumors about this, 129 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.360 It's like, yeah, that Lego game is probably going to be very 130 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:53.879 very popular inside of Fortnite. I bet it's gonna make a ton of money. 131 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.680 Here. It is again though, that they it is taking over the 132 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.480 world. It seems like and makes sense like Lego has been looking for a 133 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.759 way to sneak back around and take over some of the lunch that that Minecraft 134 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.519 eight from Lego in a way and partnering up with Fortnite makes a lot of 135 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.000 sense, and people seem to really like the game. I'm gonna try to 136 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.399 try it out this week, but I don't know, what do you think 137 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.240 this is? This just like peanut Butter and Jelly working together to create a 138 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.560 great results for everybody. Oh oh yeah, yeah for sure. I mean 139 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.360 I was thinking about this kind of reminded me of how last year a Lego 140 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.440 game was the only game that competed with elden Ring for sales, like it 141 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.679 was the Lego Star Wars the Skywalker sky Walker Saga. That was the only 142 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.679 game that was like neck and neck with elden Ring for sales, like the 143 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.399 entirety of the year, and then so you combine something like Fortnite, which 144 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.480 I mean, I think it might not have been as big if Fortnite hadn't 145 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.720 gotten such a resurgence with the OG, but I think that brought back so 146 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.240 many people in and then you have like a bunch of parents going lego, 147 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.679 Well, that's got to be great for kids, and you know, putting 148 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.519 their little tikes back on. You know, maybe it also attracted some of 149 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.639 the Roadblocks audience, like kind of brought them in maybe a little bit, 150 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.360 you know, at the very least what I think is happening with that. 151 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:11.360 If it's not attracting the Roadblocks audience, which it might be, I think 152 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.919 it could be. If it's not, though, what it's doing is it's 153 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:20.519 creating a new thing that's attracting people who might have been into Roadblocks as a 154 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.480 kid and missed it, and now they're like, well, I like this 155 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:28.840 idea of going to one hub and getting a bunch of different experiences, having 156 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.200 like one place I hang out, and then it could be a bunch of 157 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.759 different things. That's what Roadblocks does better than anything else. Even though it's 158 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.240 a nightmare for the people that make the games and kind of a mess of 159 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:43.200 a company. It still does that thing better than anything else, except for 160 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.840 now maybe Fortnite, which is going to have the ability to be anything because 161 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.919 the underlying fundamental technology is unreal and that could be shaped into any number of 162 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.879 things. And then also the quality level seems to be much better. Now. 163 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.440 These games all still seem to be made by Epic themselves, right, 164 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.000 I don't think these are any of these things have been made by fans yet, 165 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.240 is that correct? You know, I don't think they've been made by 166 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.039 fans. I think it's I mean, there are like companies that Epic collaborates 167 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.679 with, like they did that with the Alan Wake, right, uh, 168 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.120 Fortnite Island. So, but I think there have been some that have been 169 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.240 made with by collaborators, but I don't remember. I don't like official partnerships 170 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.559 that sort of thing, Yes, exactly. Uh that's probably Eventually they do 171 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.720 get to a point where they are bringing in like the community made games, 172 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.120 and that that's what powers them going in the future. That's their you know, 173 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.799 metaverse play or whatever. But in the meantime, it's like, well, 174 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.320 these these select partnerships where you like you're taking game modes that you know, 175 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.919 can be very fun and can fit into Fortnite and like appeal to the 176 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.879 kinds of players that were already in Fortnite. That makes a ton of sense. 177 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.879 I yeah, I'm gonna play the Lego game, but I'm actually more 178 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.919 excited about the Rocket Racing because I love Rocket League and I love the way 179 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:58.480 those cars feel. So now I'm just gonna go play a KRT Racer with 180 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.639 those games. That's a great idea to me. Do you think that this 181 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.600 is going to have a long term sort of benefit to the game. Do 182 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.320 you think this is gonna last or it's just a flash in the pan and 183 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.159 then in a couple months everyone's going to be back over on the Battle Royale 184 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.720 game. I think Lego Fortnite has staying power for sure. Rocket Racer I'm 185 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.840 not so sure. Like I feel like the same people who will be playing 186 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.200 that will probably just go back to Rocket League. But there's no singular Lego 187 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.200 game that the Lego audience can just go back to. I feel like, 188 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.039 you know, you say you can go back and play some of the single 189 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:39.080 player Lego games, you can what is that Lego Mmo? So I my 190 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.440 brain, I know what you mean. Yes, but I can't remember the 191 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.639 name of it either, but Worlds or something like that. Maybe, Yeah, 192 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.000 yeah, I think I think this is definitely I think that this also 193 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.440 has the power to attract, you know, the younger audience as well, 194 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:56.559 parents who maybe didn't want them playing Fortnite, but also is are just now 195 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:58.799 starting to realize that Roadblocks may not be the safest place either, right, 196 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:05.840 which it probably which isn't. So you combined that and then so you've got 197 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.879 you know, parents bringing in the kids. You got a little bit of 198 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.559 the Roadblocks audience, and then you've got the Fortnite players who want to try 199 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.759 something new. I think it's got staying power. I think it's got legs. 200 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.879 I totally agree they and like the way that they're phrasing this that they 201 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.600 like in this story says together, the three new modes which launched launched alongside 202 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.159 Fortnite's Chapter five and in the wake of the Big Bang event on December second, 203 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.840 represent a new era for Fortnite as it continues its evolution from a hugely 204 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:35.360 popular battle royale shooter into a multi multifaceted, multiverse style online gaming platform. 205 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.639 Like this story calls them new modes every time you bring that up to Epic, 206 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.879 They're like, we think they're new games. These are whole new games 207 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.399 inside of inside of Fortnite, And it does feel like they are gonna be 208 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:52.600 able to establish that that this that these things aren't just asides from the or 209 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.240 distractions away from the main attraction of Fortnite, which is the Battle Royale. 210 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:58.960 It's like, no, that's that now. It's just everyone comes to four 211 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:01.559 like to see what else they can do in there, and it's a place 212 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.639 to hang out with their friends. I get to be a little bit of 213 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.600 an old man about this, and I get a little friend. I'm like, 214 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.279 I don't know if I like the idea of like one game being like 215 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.240 the ultimate game for people. It's like I like the idea of things being 216 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.559 so different and be able to come out of nowhere. But at the same 217 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.399 time, it doesn't seem like that side of gaming is going to stop. 218 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.960 It's not like suddenly early access games are going to stop popping off on Steam. 219 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.080 Because millions of people are playing on Fortnite, it looks like we can 220 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.559 have both and maybe that's that's yeah, that's pretty cool, right, Oh 221 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:35.559 yeah, I think it is for sure, because there are always going to 222 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:39.559 be people who are the opposite of you or like, you know, I 223 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.799 just want to go one place where I can you know, hang out with 224 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.120 the people that I want to I want to hang out with, play games 225 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.679 with them, socialize and you know, or just meet new friends or try 226 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.600 new things. And you know, some people, it can be an ease 227 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.679 of use factor as well, because I mean, especially with early access games, 228 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:58.399 those can be hard to I mean speaking of someone who has been playing 229 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:03.600 Boulders Gates since twenty twenty, yeah, yes, yeah, And there's definitely 230 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.519 an ease of use factor there, right, And it's you know, Jason 231 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.840 Fanellian Chat's kind of saying something similar about how this can introduce new concepts, 232 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.039 new new genres to an audience that may have never tried things before. And 233 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.039 you know, gaming's got a lot of that right now. Like game Pass. 234 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.600 So, oh, hey, game Pass, you've already subscribed a game 235 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.480 Pass. There's gonna be games in there that you wouldn't have tried if you 236 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.320 had to pay for them, but now you could just go ahead and download 237 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.600 them and play them on your Xbox. It's like that is going to work 238 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.519 for a certain audience, but another audience is like, well, I don't 239 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.799 even want to subscribe to anything I want. I want a free to play 240 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.919 game. And because I don't have any money, I'm a I'm a poor 241 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.720 college kid, or I'm someone who is like streaming Fortnite to a device because 242 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.879 I like, yeah, so I'm a free to play game makes sense for 243 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.759 me from a single yes, exactly, there's a million scenarios in which it's 244 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.320 like a free to play game has a lot more appeal, and then now 245 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.200 they have this whole world opening up to them of a bunch of different genres 246 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.639 coming into this one place and in a place where they feel like it's worthy 247 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.519 of spending my time in there because I know I always have a good time 248 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.600 in Fortnite, and my friends are already there. That's the biggest factor in 249 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.799 most of most of the time for people with like game Pass, it's like, 250 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.919 yeah, if my friends are already there and I'm playing a bunch of 251 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.919 games with them, that makes sense for me. But if your friends are 252 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.159 already in Fortnite, you're not going to want to like leave there to go 253 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.559 try to find games to get them maybe maybe to bring them with you. 254 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:35.519 It's much more beneficial if it's already in the Fortnite ecosystem. I think what 255 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.279 other games would you want to see in this? Oh yeah, or if 256 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.399 you have something else that since no, no, actually, since that that's 257 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.519 actually an answer to your question since I mentioned it. Lego boulders Gate. 258 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:52.200 Okay, yeah, that would be fantastic idea. That's Carlac. Uh huh. 259 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.720 I just I can picture her now, just my beautiful Carlac just in 260 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.840 lego form. Yeah, yeah, you know, I could work, especially 261 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.000 like some of the weirder races that you get in Dungeons and Dragons, like 262 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.679 the mushroom people as well, that they would be fun to see in lego 263 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:12.600 form. I think we need like a little Lego episode of Boulder Skate three. 264 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:18.240 I like that a lot. Yeah, and having like the simple look 265 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:22.000 of something like a lego to be more welcoming and let people know like, 266 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:22.879 hey, no, yeah, this is don't worry, this is going to 267 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.480 be easy to visually parse. I think that could be beneficial to something like 268 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.480 Boulder Skate three. Yeah. Did you see the whole thing that was popping 269 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.120 off after the Game Awards where Spider Man fans were like, have you ever 270 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.279 played Boulder Skate three, who's played Boulderskate three. It's like, here's lego 271 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:44.399 Boulderskate three. Here, educate yourself exactly exactly. Yeah, how'd you feel 272 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.960 about the overall reaction to the game Awards and the game awards themselves. We 273 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.039 talked a little bit about it before we got started, but yeah, how'd 274 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.399 you feel about it all? I mean, okay, leaving aside the whole 275 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.120 criticism of you know, whether this event is like too commercial, whether it 276 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:03.160 didn't acknowledge the enough whatever was going on with Hideo Kojima as usual, that 277 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.519 like, what was going on with Hideo kojimas like a subheading for every single 278 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:14.039 game awards every year, and believing all that aside, I thought I thought 279 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:18.759 all of the awards went to the worthy candidates. The only one that I 280 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.680 thought was given incorrectly was Best Ongoing Game, because that should not have gone 281 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.920 to Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven because it's not an ongoing game. It's done. 282 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:32.200 Yeah, it's over. Yeah, it ongoed to this year. I suppose. 283 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.359 Yeah, I don't. I'm not like, yeah, I think, 284 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:38.880 yes, it's a repairy job. That's exactly right. That's where my problem 285 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.799 is, Like, there are other ones where it's like, hey, they 286 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:47.400 went from strength to strength because their ongoing support was so good, and Cyberpunk 287 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:49.960 went from we have to fix this mess to being something that is acceptable and 288 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.839 now people really like. Of course, of course, but yeah, I 289 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.240 agree with that. I mean, since we're talking about it, that should 290 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.839 have gone to Fortnite. I think because Fortnite has put in so much work 291 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.319 this year with with Og and then as well with Lego Fortnite, I think 292 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:06.920 they I never thought I'd say this, but Fortnite was robbed. Yes, 293 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.440 yes, exactly, but yeah, I mean in terms of like the the 294 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.599 the commercialization of the game awards. Obviously it can't be commercialized. It was 295 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:22.279 always a commercial, but boy it was pretty egregious this year. It was 296 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:27.599 wild. And I think my thing is that this is Jeff Keeley's nature. 297 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:32.400 Like I put out the you know, the Scorpion and the Toad image of 298 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.039 him being the scorpion and us expecting different from him, and it's just like 299 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:37.799 that he isn't that. This is who he is. This is the kind 300 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.599 of show he's gonna make. He's going to have probably like ten celebrities, 301 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.519 if if those celebrities will show up, He'll put those on them on stage 302 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.680 before anyone else, and then he will short change more awards if it means 303 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:53.599 more commercials. And I mean at a certain point it's on us to like 304 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:57.119 not expect him to change and to do something different and to avert our attention 305 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.519 somewhere else. Is what I think. It's like. I like, I 306 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.240 think we should maybe try to like lift up the Dice Awards and make them 307 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.480 a bigger deal, because that they are the complete antidote to the Game Awards, 308 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:08.599 if this is what we actually care about. But I don't know what 309 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:14.519 you think those are the actual awards. I think I remember seeing somewhere on 310 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:18.480 a social media somebody said was trying to defend Jeff and sayings like why does 311 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.519 everyone say Jeff doesn't love games? Jeff Keey, Jeff Keeley, not Jeff 312 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:26.920 Grebb, Jeff Jeffrey. Yeah, And I say, and I just wrote, 313 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.920 like, of course Keeley loves games. I don't for a second doubt 314 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.240 that he loves games. In fact, I think part of this is because 315 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:36.559 he promises to so many publishers and developers that they can get their game in 316 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.640 front of an audience. That I mean that combined with it because he's also 317 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.319 a film and TV nerd, which is, you know, one of the 318 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.160 reasons he and Kajema get along so well, because Kajima is exactly the same 319 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.559 way. I think like those two things are so paramount to him that you 320 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.559 put them together and it just crowds the awards out. And I mean, 321 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.920 I don't think it's malice, but I think, you know, it's like, 322 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.839 yes, of course Keeley loves games, but as with all relationships, 323 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.480 loving something is not enough if you don't treat it right. Yes, And 324 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.240 I think in this case it was more just that everybody who actually got a 325 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.319 chance to accept an award on stage basically had like fifteen to twenty seconds to 326 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.559 speak, and poor Neil Nubah is up there actually getting teary ey thanking his 327 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.759 family and this is like, you know, talking about what a great honor 328 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.680 this is for him. And meanwhile, there's like that teleprompter that flashes up, 329 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.680 please wrap it up, yep. And I was like, don't you 330 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.319 dare play that man off the stage. He's crying, I know, Yeah, 331 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:33.039 And so the ends up feeling very very awkward and a little embarrassing. 332 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.000 I think is kind of what it is. But whatever, I know what 333 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.480 the Game Awards is. Most people know at this point. It's just like 334 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.279 even knowing it going in by TV, Yes, yeah, exactly, so 335 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:48.880 giving a ton of time to Jordan Peele and Kojima, of course that's how 336 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.200 it's going to go down. Yeah, that was the only part that I 337 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.920 was like, Okay, there were some obvious cuts that could have been made 338 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.720 here. Like everything else, you want to let Anthony mackiw whose only relation 339 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.799 to GET is like Simol you and uh and and Matthew McConaughey at least have 340 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.519 game are associated with games that are coming out. Anthony Mackie's only thing is 341 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.200 like being in the Peacock adaptation of Twisted Metal, right, and yeah it 342 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.000 does. It does feel like, Man, if there's any sort of gaming 343 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.640 relation, it's like, okay that this counts as gaming one hundred percent, 344 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:18.880 so we won't get in trouble, and it's like, no, these are 345 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.960 just actors from Hollywood, and it just it feels weird that Anthony Mackie. 346 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:27.400 I realized what he was doing. He saw the Keanu Reeves thing of No 347 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.759 I Love You More, and he was trying to recreate that. So hard 348 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:33.599 that it just blew up in his face. It's like, oh man, 349 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.160 I'm like, you really blew that one big time, Anthony. Yeah, 350 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.880 because as any three, it's just it's just a bunch of like industry professionals 351 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:47.480 in the audience going yep, day, last thing before we move on. 352 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.480 It is I mean, obviously everyone knows it's expensive to get into the game 353 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.680 boards. If you are if you have a game and you want to spend 354 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.000 a lot of money to get get on there, it's it's probably worth it. 355 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:00.960 It's hundreds of thousands of dollars for seconds of airtime. With that kind 356 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:07.240 of business, us complaining online is only going to be so effective when that 357 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.759 money is very green and spends very well. And Jeff Keeley like, that's 358 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:14.640 going to be the priority there. All right, let's see here, Sega 359 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.000 wants its franchise reboots to be edgy. This is from Alex Hopley at Game 360 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.480 Reactor. While we were speculating on some Sega reboots, now the company has 361 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.279 confirmed it's bringing back some beloved ips, including jet Set, Radio, Crazy 362 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.640 Taxi, and more. While we didn't hear much of what these reboots will 363 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:36.240 look like, Sega CEO coo Shuji Utsumi recently revealed more information. Speaking with 364 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:41.400 The Washington Post, Utsumi said Sega wants to show edginess and a rebellious mindset 365 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.160 in these reboots. The concept of games like jet Set Radio is it has 366 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:49.119 advanced, the original creators are involved again, and its time is now. 367 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:53.240 He continued, It's a good time where people can appreciate all kinds of concepts. 368 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:57.960 We got a glimpse of a bunch of the games, excuse me, 369 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.119 at the Game Awards, and I thought they looked pretty good. I didn't. 370 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:06.640 I didn't think anything looked especially like rebellious or edgy. But maybe that's 371 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:11.559 something we haven't been shown yet. Do you think like these classic Sega franchises 372 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:18.559 can find that edge and could come out and have a relevancy in today's market. 373 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.359 Yes, it depends on what they mean. I'm kind of wondering if 374 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.160 maybe there was maybe a little bit of like a something lost in translation, 375 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.319 A little bit always a possibility, yes to me, because like Edgy could 376 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.799 be you know, I mean, I can see how you could say something 377 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:38.039 like jet Set Radio could be like more. I think a rebellious mindset like 378 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.359 that's jet Set Radio right, nutshell, But I'm not sure how you could 379 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.160 make that edgy. It's it's riding around and probably a different edgy than we're 380 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.640 thinking of. Right, it's quite a different edgy than what are our culture 381 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.920 associates with edgy. This is coming from a completely different place, different country. 382 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.200 They probably mean it like it does have an edge, like it's something 383 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.400 where you look at that you're like, oh, this feels like something like 384 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.400 they're going for something. It's probably what they mean, you know what. 385 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.799 Yeah, that's probably I'm thinking that's probably what it is that. I don't 386 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:08.640 think they're going to go like a whole I think somebody mentioned it in chat 387 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.960 d MC Devil May Cry reboot. I don't think that's where they're going to 388 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:17.680 go with at all. That's not a bad idea. Oh no, oh 389 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:19.559 no, you said it. You've said it. I've spoken it into existence. 390 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:26.279 It's going to happen now. Yeah, absolutely, it's unavoidable. Yeah. 391 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.079 I think that those games all looked pretty cool. The Shnobi game, 392 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.160 it looks looks excellent. But I think you've been like the streets of rage. 393 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.240 There was streets of rage in there too, streets of rage in there, 394 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.519 yes, and I could go that could go edgy definitely, And that's 395 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.440 the one I'm like most worried about because it's okay, you got to get 396 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.960 the music. Do they did they get the music and make that right? 397 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.079 And are they going to have the right snappiness? Streets of Rage four just 398 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.920 came out, not from Sega really, and that's excellent. That's still a 399 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.880 game I played to this day, So you're gonna have to You're gonna be 400 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:57.759 compared to that. But hey, beat them up center good, are in 401 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:02.240 a good place, go for it. But I'm like gold golden ecks that's 402 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.759 coming back as well. It's like these are things that I think I would 403 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.519 like ask for, but I wasn't like, Oh, you need to go 404 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.920 all out and try to make them triple A games. And it doesn't feel 405 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.680 like necessarily they are going to be triple A. But it just feel like 406 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:21.519 they are going for something more than just a nostalgia k let's repaint these things, 407 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.039 put them out again, and then move on in a couple of years, 408 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.400 and maybe we'll do something with them again in a couple of years. 409 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.079 So I'm glad they're making an effort here, and it sounds like they have 410 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.039 a vision. I just I don't know. We're going to start getting these 411 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:33.720 games to see if Sega is actually going to deliver on them. Is it 412 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.440 a good thing that maybe Sonic is not a part of this initiative, Like 413 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.880 Sonic gets to live over here, and it's like, Okay, all the 414 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.640 other Sega games get a chance to breathe because Sonic's not taking up the oxygen. 415 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.799 Oh yeah, for sure. I feel like Sega has relied on Sonic 416 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.640 a whole lot as a franchise, as they should. It's it's still a 417 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.640 big money maker. But I think in this case, I feel like they 418 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.799 have had a lot of people over the years. I think it's got to 419 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:02.240 be like a ramping up of voices saying, hey, we want another Crazy 420 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.799 Taxi game or we want another Golden Ax game. There's got to have been 421 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.880 I think there have been more of those. Probably that's I'm gonna guess that's 422 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.759 probably what prompted it. And I think even if they only put like a 423 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.440 quarter of the resources into this that they put into Sonic, then I think 424 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.839 it definitely has a strong chance of success of you know, of giving us 425 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.200 something, giving us something good that we will want to play. Even people 426 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.599 who perhaps are not you know, lifelong Goldenacks or crazy taxi fans like you 427 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.079 and I are, will give them a chance to onboard into the franchise. 428 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.279 And you know, it's it's it's that whole thing that I feel like a 429 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.319 lot of people have talked about this this year of you know, we've got 430 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.680 these older franchises, you're just leaving money on the table by not bringing them 431 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:47.279 back, because even if there aren't a whole lot of people asking for them, 432 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:52.240 there's are still good ips. Yes, absolutely, and it is a 433 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.519 Sega sort of figuring out, hey, we can make bets on a variety 434 00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.400 of different things because we have these pillars. And then that's what Usumi says 435 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.720 is these projects wouldn't be possible without the Sega pillars, A persona like a 436 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.960 Dragon and Sonic. We've been investing into these three titles, yeah, the 437 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.680 last three years making these pillars grow, and they grew very well, and 438 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.720 now they're enabling them to take chances on some of these other franchises. It's 439 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:17.759 like, okay, yeah, in my opinion, that's the way it should 440 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.599 always be working, right. It's like, you got things that are working 441 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:25.680 now and obviously keep trying new things, and I think Sega probably almost certainly 442 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.240 is they have been. But also, let you have these these dormant franchises 443 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.960 that I have a lot of nostalgia for. Let's yeah, let's give them 444 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.279 a chance to come back. I'm a little shocked that they're coming back all 445 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.279 at once, or that they announced like five games at a time, but 446 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.119 part of that makes me think like, oh, this feels like a true 447 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.039 like I said, like a vision, like they have an idea behind all 448 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:47.319 of this, and that's going to give them this impetus to keep going. 449 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.559 I hope that these five game five games come out do well enough that we 450 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.880 keep getting more and we'll talk about there are there are more coming beyond these 451 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.799 five, that they have some stuff planned that they didn't talk about and they 452 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.720 didn't reveal at the game wards, but fair nothing to show per se although 453 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.119 I will say it is funny after seeing Persona and Yakaza now like a Dragon 454 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.400 games be kind of niche for so long now to hear Shuji Utsumi describe them 455 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.359 as pillars of Sega's marketing strategy, and I'm like, it is the times 456 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.759 we live it. I'm glad they're getting more attention now. But god, 457 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.200 it is weird to hear those described in such a way. It's weird, 458 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.160 But it's congratulations Sega for like figuring that out and like making it happen. 459 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.799 That's a company that has often felt lost, and at least when it comes 460 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.359 to those, well maybe sonings still a little bit. They're still lost, 461 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.559 But when it comes to Persona and like a Dragon, they seem to have 462 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.519 a pretty good idea of where they need to be with those. All right, 463 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.400 we're gonna take a quick break. When we get back. We're going 464 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:45.880 to keep talking about the news. We'll be right back after this. And 465 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:51.119 we're back. We're back, and we're no longer breaking. Was this on 466 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.319 the side of the screen? Ready? I'm ready? Yes? All right? 467 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.039 Well, oh yeah, no problem. You know, you take your 468 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.079 take your your drink. That's fine, stay stay hydrated. Everyone, everyone 469 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.400 drink water exactly all right, Sega says some of the original jet Set Radio 470 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.240 team are working on the reboot. This is from my Nintendo News. Sega 471 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.880 co Chief operating Officer and Sego of America CEO shu Jiutsumi has spoken a little 472 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.440 more about the new jet Set Radio reboot, which was showcased at the Game 473 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.519 Awards. Talking to The Washington Post, the CEO said that a number of 474 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.319 developers from the original game are currently hard at work at the jet Set Radio 475 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.640 reboot, and says that they will try to invoke that aforementioned ed genus and 476 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.359 a rebellious mindset the concept of games like jet Set Radio advanced. This is 477 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:36.440 the quote from before, but basically the other newspit from this interview here is 478 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:40.519 that the original team, some of those people have returned to work on the 479 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.920 game, and I think that's probably for the best. I was never a 480 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:48.079 huge jet Set Radio lover, Rachel. I think I always thought it looked 481 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.400 cool and I liked it for contestance, and I would play it and be 482 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.119 like, ah, this doesn't quite immediately click with me. But that doesn't 483 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.960 mean like people who worked on that game are going to just make that exact 484 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.279 game again. They've been making games this entire time. They know where to 485 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.960 improve upon the formula, and I still want like that original feel and style 486 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.039 to be there, but it's it's it's cool. Do you think that they 487 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.759 can modernize a game like this and make it relevant? I think so. 488 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.720 I think, well, it can go either way. When you bring back 489 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.920 the original creators, either they just spin their wheels and make the same game 490 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.119 again, or they pull out all the draft documents, all the like concept 491 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.559 documents that they had and they're like, oh, we really wanted to make 492 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.599 this game back in the day, and you can. And then they'll they'll 493 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.440 throw in like so many of the original concepts that they worked on that maybe 494 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.880 technically they weren't able to put into the original game. You know, maybe 495 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.799 you know another you know, it's a different story, direction, a different 496 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.519 you know, some additional art, you know, because there's there's so much 497 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.519 that gets cut in the pre production of these games. I can't help but 498 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.759 think that there's a chance if you bring back the original creators for them to 499 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.599 expand on their original vision. And I'm hoping that's what we get with Jet 500 00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:00.160 Set Radio. Yes, I totally agree. And then at the same time, 501 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.000 Sega plans to revive even more legacy franchises. This is from Liam Doolan 502 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:07.720 at Nintendo Life. Arguably one of the biggest highlights of this year's Game Awards 503 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.680 show with Sega's announcement it would be reimagining five classic ips, including Jet Set 504 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.240 Radio, Crazy Taxi, Golden Axe, Shanobi, and Streets of Rage. 505 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.400 In case you missed it, there's apparently even more to come, according to 506 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.920 the official trailer and in the pr for the announcement that it's further noted how 507 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:30.200 the upcoming projects spanning a range of genres and currently in different stages of development, 508 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.680 with plans to release them over the next several years. SEGA co Chief 509 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.799 Operating Officer and SEGO of America CEO Shuji Utsumi had to say this about the 510 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.640 announcement. We are digging into our legacy and reimagining several franchises to bring these 511 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.759 games to more audiences around the globe. Today's announcement is just the start of 512 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.799 our initiative. First and foremost, our ambition will be to create game great 513 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.759 games with memorable characters and worlds. We hope fans of all ages will look 514 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.720 towards our future with anticipation as we release these projects in the coming years. 515 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.920 So yes, like we got, we got Chanobee, Streets of Rage, 516 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.279 Golden Ecks, Crazy Taxi Jet Set Radio. Uh, there's other games that 517 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.200 have been rumored. The one that I want is Echo the Dolphin, mostly 518 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.200 mostly because I really, I really like that Dreamcast game, and I think 519 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.160 if they were to take Echo the Dolphin and kind of reimagine it now, 520 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.240 they could do a cool three D Echo the Dolphin game again. But I 521 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.599 don't know what would you want? People in chatter saying things like Knights is 522 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.480 that is that appealing to you? Oh yeah, yeah that would definitely. 523 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:36.119 Yeah, Altered Beasts, Alter Beasts for sure, Panzer Dragoon maybe, yeah, 524 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:38.559 the House of the Dead, yes, I like, yeah, just 525 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.079 throw although I will say you'll be playing Echo the Dolphin by yourself, me 526 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.160 and my philosophobia. I can't even watch videos of Sybnautica, so like I'm 527 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.240 probably not going to be the like Echo the Dolphin two D is I can. 528 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.079 I can make that work like I can, Like my brain doesn't like 529 00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.640 like make that connection as like oh this is like that's kind of why I 530 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.480 can also play Dave the Diver. But you know, anything like like you 531 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.480 get to like three D like Subnautica, Oh no, it's done. I'm 532 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.759 like my brain just makes kind of makes me go like this, no, 533 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.319 like curl up into a ball, like can't watch I get a little scared 534 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:14.799 as well with with underwater games, but I it's kind of a fun scared 535 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.880 and any sort of thing swimming beneath me freaks me out. But I'm gonna 536 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.920 be playing Symnautica because my name works really well with it, Rachel. That's 537 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.279 how it works at Giant Bomb. If it it could be grub Nautica. 538 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.160 Yeah, I'm gonna have to play it. People. Yeah, people mentioned 539 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.119 Vector Man. Comic Zone is one that actually has been rumored that that it 540 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.559 will come relatively soon after this these five games, I suppose. But yeah, 541 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.240 Comic Zone is when they're making it's like, man, I wonder what 542 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.680 that looks like they try to like make that three D. I kind of 543 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.440 hope they just stick with the two D visuals and make them look like a 544 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.839 comic book again, because that was such a good gimmick for a game that 545 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.680 is pretty hard to play. Actually, it's pretty difficult to uh uh, 546 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.039 to actually get through that game because the challenge is so high. But yeah, 547 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.880 I'm pretty excited about all this. Oh, they mentioned Virtual Fighter. 548 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.160 When they mentioned Virtual Fighter, I was just having flashbacks to like that was 549 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.880 actually the very first fighting game I ever played was Virtual Fighter two. Oh 550 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.559 yes, yeah, Virtual Fighters one that was kind of hoping would get mentioned 551 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.639 at the Game Awards. So yeah, that the fact that they didn't even 552 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.159 though they had that recent Arcade re release of Virtual Fighter. Iree. I 553 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.280 love Virtual Fighter, and I know it doesn't have We're talking about it before 554 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.079 one of the shows. The John bomstaff was talking about it. It's like 555 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.039 the characters aren't quite as memorable as some of the other games. But it's 556 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.119 like you could fix that pretty easily by just you could getting them a new 557 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.440 code of paint for sure. All right, let's see her. Final Fantasy 558 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.679 sixteens producer doesn't think there will be a sequel or a spinoff. This is 559 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.000 from Alex Hopley, a Game reactor. Recently, we've seen the surprise launch 560 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:52.159 of Final Fantasy sixteen's first expansion, packing a new story, weapons, and 561 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.159 level cap We're also going to get another expansion next year, seeing Clive face 562 00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.000 off against the against the Leviathan. But even with this lot of DLC, 563 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.719 it doesn't seem like Final Fantasy sixteen is getting much more attention in the future. 564 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.679 According to a recent interview with Famitsu, the game's producer, nioki Yo 565 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.800 Yoshi p Yoshida, believes that believes the team is looking more towards a new 566 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.159 title altogether, rather than add to Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy sixteen. The 567 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.719 producer said he'd rather work on the next title or consider a new challenge. 568 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.440 Still, the door isn't closed forever. If you ask me if there will 569 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.960 be anything related to Final Fantasy sixteen in the future, I don't know. 570 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.280 Since I don't know what will happen, I'd rather not say anything. Diffinite, 571 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.400 said Yoshida, which I think is code for Square Enix could do it 572 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.800 without my input and I don't, so I can't speak for them. Yes, 573 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:46.239 I think you're probably right about that. It's yeah, I think that 574 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.360 Final Fantasy sixteen is in a place where they're gonna maybe let it settle for 575 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.039 a little bit and see if, like the fandom can resurge in some ways, 576 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.639 because that could happen with a game like this, where it's like a 577 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.679 lot of our arguments happened in the early months, but always it a real 578 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:07.199 Final Fantasy or whatever, but that stuff will wane, and then a lot 579 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.440 of times with games like this that do have a lot of them a behind 580 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.880 them and a lot of fan love, it's like, okay, no, 581 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.480 actually, we appreciate what this is, even if it's different than what we 582 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.039 were expecting, and now it's actually a beloved game, and that happens all 583 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.639 the time with Final Fantasy games in particular, So they could take their time 584 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:28.440 on this and maybe come around to doing something a little bit later. But 585 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.559 also it doesn't seem like it's in a place where it would make sense to 586 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:37.119 do a ton with Final Fantasy sixteen as opposed to like making more Final Fantasy 587 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.280 seven spinoffs. Just from a business perspective, I get maybe people might be 588 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.679 a little over Final Fantasy seven stuff. I have no idea, I'm not, 589 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.800 I'm just not a fan. But they keep doing more of that stuff, 590 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.679 and they seem that seems to be doing just fine. It's like now 591 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.360 opportunity costs. Maybe we should just keep doing that instead of doubling down on 592 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.239 Final Fantasy sixteen. Maybe we should just get on with Final Fantasy seventeen. 593 00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.960 I don't know, does that sound right to you? Yeah? They really 594 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.639 do feel like different entities at this point, Like you know, you got 595 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:07.920 your Final Fantasy seven like ecosystem basically, where they're like they're they're trying to 596 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.920 do a whole like remaking the original game with something new they're doing a Resident 597 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.719 Evil for remake and that with that and in multiple stages. But we've also 598 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.559 got a you know, and they've they're releasing mobile games, and they did 599 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.760 that remake of what was the prequel game with Zach I can't remember. They 600 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:29.440 released that last year. Yes, the Crisis Core, Crisis Core, thank 601 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.039 you, and uh so they they're they're, they've they've got that whole thing, 602 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.840 like that's a whole separate cauldron that's bubbling away and uh they're they're they're 603 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.800 stoking that as much as they can. I really don't think Final Fantasy sixteen. 604 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.079 I think I think it's better as a closed system as what it is, 605 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.840 like just like, let's not over market that it's it's perfectly lovely the 606 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.960 way it is. It's had its time. But I I think it would 607 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.079 be like not in their best interest to necessarily invest more money in it directly, 608 00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.639 especially when they can just immediately go on to Final Fantasy seventeen. Maybe 609 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.159 right, And you know, the thing that is the biggest success out of 610 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:06.440 Final Fantasy sixteen that they don't need Final Fantasy sixteen to do that. That's 611 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.960 Ben Star. They could just hire him to do other games. He could 612 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:15.320 voice characters in the future. I suppose maybe they like he played the main 613 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.239 character Clive. I guess maybe he wouldn't play the main character in another Final 614 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.400 Fantasy game, but maybe, hey, why not. He's got range. 615 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.159 He probably could cast him as Sid in all future installments exactly. Yes, 616 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.719 that way he can keep coming back. He doesn't necessarily to be the same 617 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.440 character. Yes, I think that's the way to do it. So that's 618 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.599 that's my proposal. We have Ben Starr play Sid in all future Final Fantasy 619 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.400 games. Yes, oh yeah, Marino says Final Fantasy eight remake as Squall, 620 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.159 thank you, because yeah, he's a huge fun Fantasy eight fan. 621 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.119 Yes, I can see it now, and I'm just like, yes, 622 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.920 I can see it. There it is. Although, although to be fair, 623 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.039 I always picture Squall is having a little bit more of like a because 624 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.559 his voice, especially as Clive, is much more like very serious fairy tone. 625 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.440 I picture Squall is kind of having like augh whatever kind of a voice, 626 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.800 you know, like kind of like a really kind of cringey teenager. 627 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.800 He doesn't who doesn't realize he's cringey exactly. Not that I doubt Ben can 628 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.159 do that, but you know, it'd be a little bit different. Nexte 629 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.159 to be different for I would like to see it. I know he could 630 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.480 do it. I saw some of this range of myself, so yes, 631 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.599 absolutely. Speaking of games not getting direct sequels or spent offs, Zelda producer 632 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.599 confirms Tiers the Kingdom won't get a direct sequel. This is from Jonathan Wright 633 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.400 at Destructoid the legend of Zelda. Tiers of the Kingdom might be the perfect 634 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.599 sequel in every definition of the word, but even Nintendo seems to agree that 635 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:37.519 it has exhausted all possibilities for this particular iteration of Link's journey. You'll know 636 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.280 by now that Tears originally conceived as DLC for Breath of the Wild more than 637 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.239 to a proper installment when the producers realize the sheer scope of the IDs being 638 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.920 thrown around at the studio. The entire game is pretty much modeled after what 639 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.280 you already experienced in the acclaimed twenty seventeen title. And yet we couldn't begin 640 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.840 to list all the fun elements they built upon to turn Tiers of the Kingdom 641 00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.920 into another sensational hit. Sure it may it may have ultimately lost the Game 642 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:02.559 of the Year to Balder's K three. But it's not every day that we 643 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:06.400 get a sequel to one of the greatest games in history and somehow end up 644 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.519 enjoying it more. And the best part, it looks like Nintendo knows when 645 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.199 to leave well Enough alone, because it's not planning to develop a threequel to 646 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.199 the Breath of the Wild offshoot. Ag Al Numa, who's served as a 647 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.840 producer on the Legend of Zelda franchise for well over a deck over three decades, 648 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.880 recently explained it in an interview with Game Informer that they aren't planning a 649 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.840 three quel mainly because Tears is already the apotheosis of this particular sub series. 650 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.800 As I've mentioned previously, with the Tears of the Kingdom, we were seeking 651 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.519 to build on top of the world we created with Breath of the Wild and 652 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.920 really exhaust the possibilities of what we could put into that world. On Numa 653 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.280 explained, I think it is to use a bit of a term in apotheosis 654 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.320 or the final form of that version of the Legend of Zelda. In that 655 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.079 regard, I don't think that we'll be making a direct sequel to a world 656 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.599 such as that that we created here. That's correct, right, Rachel. 657 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:59.840 I mean you could do that twice. A third time would be serious diminishing 658 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.480 turns, right, Yeah, especially since they've already used Ganendorf. I mean 659 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.360 that was the only thing that was kind of missing in Breath of the Wild 660 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.519 that they brought back in Tears of the Kingdom is classic Ganandorf as you know, 661 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.480 the main villain whereas and that was one of the weird things about Breath 662 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:15.880 of the Wild to me, is like, well, yeah, we've got 663 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.079 Gannon, but he's basically just like this big evil cloud and you know, 664 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.320 without necessarily a personality. And then they finally bring back Ganandorf classic in this 665 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.400 and you know, have him be the big villain in this. I can't 666 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.519 see where they would go with a third game. I don't. And also, 667 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.800 as much as I appreciate the writing there, it's like, was it 668 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.719 a perfect sequel? Because to me, I feel like we neglected the story 669 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.519 of Tears of the Kingdom a little bit. I really like the story of 670 00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.159 Tears of the Kingdom because of the don't I don't care about the lore of 671 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:46.599 Zelda. I care about like what's happening in front of me, and the 672 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.239 emotions of Tears of the Kingdom really worked. This is true. Yes, 673 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.639 that stuff really hit me. I thought the moments were very powerful. Them 674 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.719 fitting in overall doesn't bother me, but yes, they definitely neglected that. 675 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:01.840 That's some one's concerned. Yes, I agree that they did not care about 676 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.760 that at all. So yes, if if we're looking for like sequels in 677 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.400 those terms, it's not the perfect sequel, You're right, Is that something 678 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:12.880 you were looking more from the series in the future. I think so. 679 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.639 I think well, personally, one of the like slight disappointments to me about 680 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.039 Tears of the Kingdom was that I felt we could have made like a little 681 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.599 bit more complexity with like Gannendorf and you know why he wanted to conquer. 682 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.320 It was like he's just evil, you know, as opposed to like, 683 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.199 maybe this is just like you know, he was, you know, somebody 684 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.920 who was doing the right thing for the wrong reasons or something like that. 685 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.679 It's just a force of nature, right, He's like a hurricane. Yeah. 686 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:37.639 Yeah, And at this point you're just like, well, that's just 687 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.840 not At a certain point that fails to be interesting to me, especially when 688 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.199 we're trying to like make Zelda more complex as a character, not like necessarily, 689 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.519 but you know, Zelda and all the other side characters were trying to 690 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.840 make them more complex. And I really think if it had been a story 691 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.920 only, it had been story only, it definitely would have stayed dealc. 692 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.079 It was the mechanics, the gameplay mechanics, which are just Chef's kiss, 693 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.199 that was what it into a whole separate game, not the story. So 694 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.519 if you were going to make a third game in the series, you'd have 695 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.920 to come up with an even more interesting gameplay mechanic, because there is really 696 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:13.320 I don't think there's anywhere else for a story to go. Yes, you're 697 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.599 definitely right, And I think that like, when you look at it that 698 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.760 way, it's obvious you just do something new with the next game. Now 699 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.559 it's going to be open world it's still gonna be Breath of the Wild inspired, 700 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.239 clearly, that's that's clearheaded. I mean they're not stupid. Yes, 701 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.079 I mean we could just look at the numbers, like the Breath of the 702 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.599 Wild and Tiers of the Kingdom are about to be like outselling the rest of 703 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.639 the Zelda games combined here pretty soon, we're going to be pretty close to 704 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:44.559 it. It's it's that though those games have sold so much better than previous 705 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.800 Zelda games that they're just they're not going to go back in the like they're 706 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.039 not gonna go wholesale back. They will have offshoots of Zelda. They will 707 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.880 keep doing two D Zelda here and there, but probably have something equil into 708 00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.840 the Links Awakening remake again in a couple of years, and I'm I will 709 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:02.559 play that and I'll be very excited. But they're gonna keep making games in 710 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.280 this Breath of the Wild form. It's just they're gonna have to change up 711 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.159 a lot more, a completely new map, maybe rethinking a lot of that 712 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:12.719 stuff as well, just like how the map can work and things like that. 713 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.760 So hey, we'll find out in seven years whenever that game actually comes 714 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.599 out, right, So yeah, I think, well, I think we're 715 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.039 probably definitely gonna have something that comes out in conjunction with the movie, so 716 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.079 which probably will still be quite some time from now. Yeah that, Yeah, 717 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.039 that's not bad. That's not bad because they probably could do a like, 718 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:31.440 do we know, like what story in the movie is, Let's say 719 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.519 it's let's say let's say it's oker enough time. Let's say they're doing opera 720 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.760 of time. If they had an Okera enough time remake to go along with 721 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.880 that. Oh yeah, that would that would pop off right if you get 722 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.360 people people love getting home from the movie and then playing the game that they 723 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.920 just got really excited about, or watching the movie on Netflix or whatever. 724 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.199 Uh that that's happened recently with The Witcher and and and Last of Us. 725 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.800 It's like, if it's in leaks, you know, if ocker enough time, 726 00:44:57.880 --> 00:44:59.800 the remake would be awkerat in time, it would be a very good 727 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.159 game. It's like, and it looked like big and important with the remake 728 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:07.119 of Visually, I think that could be very successful. But yes, I'm 729 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.360 like, I'm picturing it now that that seems if I were a Nintendo executive, 730 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.679 I would want to capitalize on like having uh not necessarily the attention that 731 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.119 a movie would bring, because I don't think Zelda needs the attention, but 732 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:23.679 more like the franchise continuity. Yes, definitely, So you don't want the 733 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:29.679 movie to feel like a whole separate entity from the game series. Do you 734 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:35.039 are you a high roll historia reader? I know I have friends who are. 735 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.639 I'm sorry to hear that. If you'd like me to read high role 736 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.880 historia, I I will do so. I would never upon anybody you said, 737 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.719 I'll start a I'll start a Patreon and we can and you can request 738 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.360 that of me. Okay, well there you go. If you're getting paid 739 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:52.079 and whatever, let's make it happen. I mean, I was. I 740 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.880 was thinking about reading the those god awful Assassin's Creed novels for a while. 741 00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.519 But if but I'd have Fily pivot to High Rule Historia. It's better than 742 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.880 the Balance Wonder World novel. I can assure you. I could assure you 743 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.679 there was a Balance Wonder World novel. How did I not know about this? 744 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.239 I wish I didn't know about You shouldn't have told me that, Jeff, 745 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:14.239 I'm thinking about this all things rough stuff. It's very rough, all 746 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.400 right. Fortnite's dev really wants a crossover with Nintendo, but hasn't had any 747 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:22.119 luck. This is a Liam Dulan at Nintendo Life. Fortnite has had just 748 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.639 about every crossover at this stage, from Dragon Ball and Marvel to Lago, 749 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.800 but the one brand Epic believes could top them all is Nintendo. Speaking to 750 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.760 Axios in Los Angeles this week, the head of Fortnite's ecosystem, Zax Pearson, 751 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.079 admitted Epic had tried incredibly hard to wo the legendary video game company behind 752 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.039 Zelda, Mario, and Donkey Kong, but was unable to make any significant 753 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.199 progress. When asked out how hard Epic had tried to woo Nintendo, Pearson 754 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:52.599 said told Axios, I don't know what the word for, like making diamonds 755 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.320 is. If it did happen, though, it might just be Epic's biggest 756 00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.760 crossover ever. Pearson believes that Fortnite players would love it. Nintindo has their 757 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.159 strategy and we have our strategy, and we hope at some point to use 758 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.159 their characters. Per Parent said, because our players would love it. Given 759 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.880 Nintendo's history and the way it protects certain ip we immediately can't see Nintendo running 760 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.039 along the battlefield with a Tactckle assault rifle, and William Dulan's probably right about 761 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.760 that. Over a Nintendo life, this is one where it's like you you 762 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.719 you could see a world in which Nintendo was like, oh yeah, maybe 763 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.719 we should like do this, and it's probably that world was probably the we 764 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.039 U when that was out, and the only thing that Nintendo had going for 765 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.320 and they needed a lot of help. It's the complete opposite world now, 766 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:44.000 right, the Nintendo Switches space dominant, the games are dominant. I mean 767 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.079 when when someone was like, saw this, like Natindo can't afford not to 768 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.880 be in Fortnite, and this was a Fortnite saying that, So I don't 769 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.519 really I didn't really want to pile on, but I couldn't help to just 770 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.679 feel like, hey, the bad super Mario super Mario Party game that no 771 00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:00.559 one likes is has outsold God of warrag Rocket has outsold the Last of Us 772 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.199 Part two. Like that's where Nintendo s and that game is is I don't 773 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.119 think even in the top ten of it's best selling switch games. If it 774 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.000 is, it's near to the bottom now because it's like it's got there's a 775 00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.719 ton of games that have done more than sixteen million copies, which is I 776 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.159 think our nineteen million copies, which is where I where I think Super Mario 777 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.000 Party is. And it's like, Okay, if that's the reality that we're 778 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.400 dealing with, Nintendo just isn't even thinking that this is a need in any 779 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.360 way. And if they don't need it, that's going to be a big 780 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.039 hurdle to get over to convince them they should do it, right, Yeah, 781 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:35.559 I think it's not something that nint Nintendo does not have to do it. 782 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.239 They don't have they don't need the prestige. Like you approach Crystal Dynamics 783 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:40.440 and say hey, we want to put Lara Croft in Fortnite, They're going 784 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.599 to jump at the chance. And then you approach Nintendo like, hey, 785 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.199 can we put Let's let's not be ambitious here, let's put somebody mentioned to 786 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.239 her in chat. Let's put Samus Ran in Fortnite, and they'll and Nintendo 787 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.239 will be like, no, they don't have to, yep, exactly. 788 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:01.280 And it's at a certain point you could see like there's maybe a fifth sixth 789 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:06.800 tier character that if Nintendo cared about getting attention to, they could still do 790 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.679 this, But that's not what Epic wants and it wouldn't be worth the effort 791 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.320 to Nintendo at a certain point. So it's just it's just not Yeah, 792 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.960 yeah, it would involve like a lot of licensing their their the image, 793 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.239 and I just don't think they want to be part of that, right exactly, 794 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.159 And and and then having to come in and dictate like, hey, 795 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:28.360 this is what it's okay for these characters do and what it's not it's yeah, 796 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.719 and well, and the word to answer his question, the word for 797 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.079 making diamonds is pressure. And I don't think they have that kind of pressure 798 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.119 exactly. Not that not that they can exert on a material as hard as 799 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.400 Nintendo, right like that is yeah, you just don't have the gusto for 800 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:50.000 that one, all right. Deo Kajima appears to have snuck a Silent Hill 801 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.079 message into his OD trailer. This is from Chris Sculling at VGC. Uh 802 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:58.639 Hideo Kojima appears to have snuck a reference to Konami's Silent Hills series into his 803 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.519 to a trailer for O. The El Spots exclusive, which was previously known 804 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.239 as Overdose, was officially introduced during the Game Awards last week, along with 805 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.760 a teaser trailer showing close ups of actors' faces. However, as spotted by 806 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.400 Central Xbox and verified by VGC using the trailer on the Official Coach of a 807 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:21.599 Production's YouTube channel, the section involving German actor Udo kir appears to have a 808 00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.480 hidden message in it. While Kere is talking to the camera, faint letters 809 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.000 appear in his mouth during five separate frames, which could be seen easier if 810 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.559 the video's brightness levels are adjusted in order. In order, the letters spell 811 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:38.840 out Atami, which is a Japanese city located in Shuzoku prefacture. The kanji 812 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:44.599 spelling of Shuzoku, and when separated into individual kanji means calm, quiet, 813 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:50.840 or silent, and the other kanji in there means hill. So basically, 814 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:55.960 just put silent hill in Udo Kir's mouth. Okay, yeah, listen, 815 00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.760 we've been trying to say, like, oh yeahdemus make another Remember when Death 816 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.519 Stranding was first like being teased before they released the trailer, and everyone's like, 817 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.519 oh, it's just silent hills and disguise. Guys, We've got to 818 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.119 let this go. We have to for our own mental health. This is 819 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.880 not going to be I can promise you I can. I would almost bet 820 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.880 money on it. This is not going to be silent hill. This related 821 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.440 out all. Yes, it's not going to be silent hill related. But 822 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.159 is he teasing and he must be just teasing Konami, right, That's the 823 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.599 other solution here, is that he's just tweaking somebody's nose exactly. It's just 824 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.760 poking them, or at least maybe trying to suggest that this is the thing 825 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:31.440 I did because I didn't get to make Silent Hills. Maybe he's trying to 826 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:37.239 flag that in a way, but this is just Kojima being Kojima, right, 827 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.679 He's just messing around because it's one of his trailers and he gets the 828 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.880 mess around and he loves doing that shit. Right. Yeah, I think 829 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.559 if nothing else I would I would just accuse Kojima of trolling us because he 830 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:50.960 knows we're going to look for that sort of stuff. And you know, 831 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:54.360 it's like this isn't practically his whole arg marketing shtick at this point. So 832 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.960 yeah, I would definitely say that. No, I understand I want a 833 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.239 new sign and I want a new good Silent Hill game two. I don't 834 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:05.000 think Jima is gonna be making it. I don't think we're gonna see pt 835 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.480 Silent Hills come back. I'm sorry, guys, but just for our own 836 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.119 peace of mind, I think we just got to let this go. Sarahs 837 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.880 skates as shout out to Grubford to pronouncing koch of it in two different ways 838 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.480 in three seconds. I caught that too. It's just gonna happen. That's 839 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.559 how the mouth works sometimes. All right, let's see it. I think 840 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.679 that's gonna do it for the news. I got the pull question from at 841 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.039 some point in the past. It's been a while since we did a show. 842 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.039 It says here on YouTube eleven days ago. That just can't be right, 843 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:37.280 that's wild. But we were traveling everybody, Yes, exactly, Rachel 844 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.239 got to do the first show back. I'm very glad you were here for 845 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.920 that. But yes, the poll question was do you care that the Grand 846 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:50.079 Theft Auto Trilogy is on Netflix on mobile? And only seven percent of you 847 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.199 say you care. Ninety three percent said no. And that's what I voted 848 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.719 for as well. Yeah, I get it, but I have a million 849 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.199 ways to play these games now. I think for the very casual Netflix fan 850 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.880 who might see GTA in their app when they're on their phone, maybe it 851 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:09.840 moves the needle a little bit. But I don't think this is some actual 852 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.119 huge get These are the older Grand Theft Autos. People have played these before. 853 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.760 It's not that big a deal, right, Yeah, I don't. 854 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.840 I don't know. It's hard to say. With Netflix. I feel like 855 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.440 I don't think Netflix knows what kind of games it wants on its platform. 856 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.119 I think it's just I think it's throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what 857 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.079 sticks. Yes, it's going to be a big hit for Netflix. It's 858 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.480 I don't think it's going to be the GTA trilogy, but you know, 859 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.400 they're trying everything. It's the it's they're they're doing it in a way that 860 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.480 seems safer than what Google did right with Stadia, where it's like, hey, 861 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.559 they're throwing my old nemesis. Yeah, they're throwing stuff at the wall, 862 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.840 but it's like twenty million dollars. They're throwing at the wall to get 863 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.280 a bunch of games that are already playable elsewhere, Like they're just trying to 864 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.400 get them on Stadia. That doesn't seem to be happening here. They're like, 865 00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:59.400 we're gonna try small things and see their recording indies. Yeah, Braid 866 00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.360 and Hate and you know, the new Valiant Hearts game, which I'm mad 867 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.880 because I still didn't get to play because I don't have a Netflix subscription that 868 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:12.000 includes games, yes exactly, but which I mean, I love Valiant Hearts. 869 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.719 I don't want to pay for that for that level of Netflix just to 870 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:21.360 play a Valiant Hearts game. All Right, I have a new Poole question 871 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.679 that we're going to post here in a second. In the meantime, though, 872 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.840 Rachel, why do you tell people where they can find you on the 873 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.280 internet and all that good stuff? Okay, well, you can find me 874 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.960 on a little site you may have heard of called games Beat. I'm going 875 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.320 to be writing some new stuff. I'm working on, an Avatar or Frontiers 876 00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.039 of Pandora review. I also do a weekly column there called kaser Focus. 877 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.880 You can catch that on Fridays if you're interested in hearing me rant about the 878 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.239 industry, usually after Minati has already clocked off for the weekend. That's usually 879 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.760 when I really get going with that with that column. And also, Jeff, 880 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.599 since the last time you and I talked, I kind of have something 881 00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:01.719 going over on TikTok. I've started doing a daily gaming news uh blast on 882 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.920 TikTok three minutes. It's it's going pretty well. A lot of people seem 883 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:12.199 to show up and appreciate me like giving them like rapid fire news updates three 884 00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.519 minutes or less. I always keep it to three minutes or less unless it's 885 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.199 a very special episode like it was with the game Wards. But yeah, 886 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.239 it's my username on TikTok. You can just search my name. But it's 887 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.480 uh, my username is at Grace of Athena and yeah, you can also 888 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.280 find me on Twitter. I'm over on Blue Sky now if you want, 889 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.480 if you want to, you know, if you're a if you're a Twitter 890 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.440 refugee, which I don't blame you, but yeah, so you can you 891 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.559 can. If you want to see more of my face, you can definitely 892 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.480 do it on TikTok excellence. Yeah, so everyone follow Rachel on TikTok Grace 893 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:45.360 of Athena because also search Rachel Kaser fantastic. I uh now you mentioned I 894 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.360 think I've seen a TikTok of yours come across my feed like that, So 895 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:51.639 yes, excellent. Oh that would be yeah, small world, small world, 896 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.679 and that's how that's how it goes. Sometimes. I think I follow 897 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.519 you on TikTok as well. Yeah, I've started posting like I go for 898 00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.920 my morning walks. Now I'm just like, I'll post a TikTok of me 899 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.960 doing bullshit on my walk every day and night. Most most of the videos 900 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:06.000 just meet crunching leaves. That's all you can hear. So yeah, I 901 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.719 think I did. I think I did call Jeff Keeley a tall drink of 902 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.559 Canadian water on one of my tiktoks, a tall drink of Werners. Yeah, 903 00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:19.400 all right, we have a new poll question for Wednesday. Tomorrow's gonna 904 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.280 be the podcast for Wednesday. Were you happy with the Game Awards? Yes 905 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.840 or no? Just curious, yavy question, heavy question, Interpret it however 906 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.280 you want, whatever you think, yes or no. If you're happy with 907 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.880 the Game Awards, we'll discuss it then in the meantime, Rachel, thank 908 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.440 you so much for spending today talking with me about video games. I really 909 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.679 appreciate it. Oh, no problem, I missed you, Jeff. It's 910 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.920 good to be back. Just you too. We'll get you back on way 911 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.280 more often. It's the ADHD out of say it, out of mind is 912 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.719 how it goes from now. It's fine that I'm like, who gonna get 913 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.400 Here's what happened. I will be like who gonna get for the Monday show 914 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:52.679 and I'm like there's no one, and there's like a list to like ten. 915 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:54.760 People are like I would totally do it, and I'm like, oh, 916 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:59.639 okay, I forgot. That's just how I would definitely be in like 917 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:01.119 a better or if you if we did this like another Monday, any other 918 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:05.519 Monday. But it's a The roof is literally being worked on where I usually 919 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.440 work, and so you would hear nothing but like loudhammer sounds like if I 920 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.800 was there right now. So that's just normal for us. Every time we 921 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.119 do a show, it feels like Jeff Backlar's got someone like working in his 922 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.639 yard. I'm like, I'm what kind of you a fucking jungle out there? 923 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.800 I've been there. He doesn't. I don't know what's going on over 924 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:22.440 there. It's just New Jersey. That's how they do it there. I'm 925 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:29.880 just kidding. Thanks for listening, and everybody, you're the best audience in 926 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.159 gaming. Until next time, have a good one, take care of yourself, 927 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.239 and goodbye bye.