Yeah, well, let's move on from that and let's talk about a little
Let's talk about Sony Marvel quickly. It's been made enough jokes about them,
so we'll do that right now. So again, a rapid fire Madam Webb
lois box office opening for a Marvel film ever, the first comic book film
since Fan for Stick to not open at number one. I am mean comic
book I guess with Marvel and DC. So there you go. But even
you know, we've had low ones, even the marvels Aukaman, Shazamtu,
Blue Beetle, all of open one. But Madam One. What'd you say,
Morbius, Yeah, Morbius, Yeah, but Bob Marley kicked the three
Madam Webs ass or I guess it's just one Madame Web with all our friends.
But so yeah, I made like, made like twenty six million,
and it's like, I don't know, it's like I think I have like
an eighty percent drop from Thursday Thursday. No not, it's doing exactly what
we thought it would. I don't know what the predictions are. I got
to pull those out for I kind of have an idea at the end of
the year to get all our predictions together and so look out for that.
But so you got that in positive news. You have Nick Cages apparently in
talks for the Spiderman Noir live action show. I don't they have not clarified
if he would be starting as Spiderman Noir. If you just be a character
who knows remember as of right now, even though in Spider Verse he does
play like Peter Parker and he has his uncle Benjamin, the rumor is this
would not be Peter Parker. Again, leaning towards the theory of can they
not use Peter Parker because why not? Like people will understand if it's a
black and white show said in the fucking nineteen twenties, I think they're gonna
understand that it's not Paul like almost call him Paul Hall. And Paul Paul
Hall, Tom holland Tobaguire are like pretty easy. And then the other thing
was so silk the show that at Amazon they've been working well for a little
bit. They've decided they got rid of all the writers, the showrunners saying,
but they're doing a massive overhaul and the idea is that they want to
appeal more to the male demographic. Now, I'll tell you. One reason
why this could be a concern is it could just be, Hey, some
males watch comicbooks, so more action war fighting stuff like that. Okay,
but Silk has a very controversial story we've talked about this where her and Peter
are bidden by the same spider and whenever they get close to each other,
they just they fuck. They just and there's lots of panels of them doing
stuff, lots of did peeing Taylor, you know, stuff like that.
But that's the thing where people are kind of worried because that was looked at
it as like an art that it's kind of like that comic book cringe of
like, uh, this is a couple of boys with toys that had some
tents like oh, let's just have Peter just like And people also didn't like
it because it like an Asian character. So it's like kind of the classic
like sexualizing Asian kind of taking some like anime aspects like why is it just
the Asian spider woman that's like has to get it on with Peter. So
that storyline in retrospect now has up and looked good at that. So we
don't know what they mean by they want a male audience. But right away
when people heard that and they know where silk comes from. I don't think
it would be Peter Parker, but I think the worry is they would get
like another Spider person and maybe do that. I don't know. I think
it's a concerning stuff. So mister Mussel'll start with you. It seems like
Sony, other than maybe getting hey cool, they might get in Nick cage.
And again there's been still concant rumors that Sony and five years still they're
not on the same page for what they want to do aspiermen for So it
sounds like from TV even the animation we talked about a couple months ago.
Hell, those animators had a trouble. So TV animation live action just sounds
like it's a mess. And my last point too that there was a report
that came out this week about the Matama Web box office. The executives got
really concerned because they could see in live time that tickets were being refunded on
the Friday before, So that was getting them worried and apparently they've lost a
lot of faith in these films. There's a lot of glue. The quote
was there's a lot of gloom in the Sony offices right now, because if
you've looked at the films other than Venom two, it's been going down,
Like Venom two is a ninety, Venom one was eighty, but more Reus
was like forty three is twenty six. So it's kind of other than the
odd Venom bump a decline. So lots there, But what do you think
about just seems like Sony in general is just kind of having a mess,
having a tough time right now. Yeah, it's not too surprising, I
guess. I mean, if you go back to our predictions for Madam Webb,
I was by far the most optimistic about it. I don't know if
I really had a good reason for that. It was purely vibes, and
clearly my vibes were just wrong. You know, sometimes that happens. I
was just I was off the pulse on that one. I'm not a social
media much. Maybe that's why I just don't know what people are talking about
other than what the discord is. Not that our discord was very popular or
it was very much intrigued for Madam, but it's not popular. Don't don't
go in there, join the discord. But to your point, I don't
know many people. I'll pull my letter box. I don't know many people
that have. I think April's seen it. Yeah, there's not been a
lot of discussion about it, that's for sure. It's just April and Aaron
Brain when our Patreon producers, so like, I don't think anyone else.
In the discord scene, it's like and give it. I think he gave
it a star. He gave a star. Oh no, he half just
to half and April get fourth us. But she did say it was like
cause so bad. It's so good. But it's not been seen by a
lot of people. And I do know actively a few people like Kyle messaged
me and they said, like, I'm not seeing this movie ever, but
I'll listen to your guys' review. So I feel like people are taking that
approach with this movie. So yeah, no, I mean, I feel
like April watches so many movies that she's like in the matrix or something where
she's just like seen she sees movies by like the code or something like underline.
I don't know, maybe maybe there's something going on there, but yeah,
half a star there for in the air, and that's not the that's
not very good, But I mean it's not even though it's optimistic on the
predictions, it's not shocking to me that the movie it's doing really poorly.
I kind of I kind of thought that they would get a good bump from
Valentine's d Maybe that hurt it because it was coming out and people were seeing
and canceling their weekend plans to go see it or something. I don't know
if I would really make much of a difference. But yeah, that's too
too bad. But you know, you make a bad movie and everyone the
word of mouth is that it's bad and people are not gonna go see it,
So that's not not too shocking. And then what else was there,
sir? I don't know why. I'm not really excited about that right now.
I like that character in Spider Verse. Maybe I just haven't rewatched that
movie in a while. Maybe it's the TV show element of it. Maybe
it's some of the details you were sharing there. I'm sure that's one of
the things, like show me one trailer and maybe that would change my opinion.
But I don't know why just not calling out to me for whatever reason.
And then Silk, Yeah, I don't know, just if you just
told me the news of like, Okay, Silk's you know, restarting,
and then you gave this other context. It's like, okay, maybe if
that's the route they're going down and they're trying to target it to a different
demograph, which is my demographic personally, Yeah, that's what it could work
for me. Therect is gonna be some weird like fetishization thing. Then it's
like, I don't really want And again that was a material. Yeah,
again that wasn't a report. But it's just that it's the idea that it's
we're planning focusing the show on a male audience. It's like, well,
I felt like, if you're already doing SPI in Noir, wouldn't you sell
quant you know, like, oh, let's hit the other audience, you
know. But yeah, I mean, it's a character that I'm curious about
strictly because she's a cool card in Marvel Snap, and I want to see
what's up with her when I play the card. I want to know her
story when I'm going into my battles there. So that's really the only thing
I got going for that character. So hopefully it works out, But I
don't know, it just seems like, if you're gonna cut anything to put
money behind the things that are working, I don't know if you're gonna put
it behind that kind of show. I think you're just gonna double down a
venom and yeah, I don't know whatever else bringing Tom Holland back, get
more, give more money Tom Holland to get him in your universe. I'm
not sure. So, yeah, that does not sound like very good news
in general, which I don't know. It seems like they're setting up for
it, so it makes sense to me they're just hoping it beyond out,
So then get all this good press away from that, you know, because
Beyond Spier Verse will come out, then everyone will be happy again. But
I I know, where are you kirkling all this Spider You know, you're
a Spider Guy, Spider Boy, Spider Ant. Where to start, Madam
Webb not surprising. I chat with a lot of coworkers that are into you
know, they're probably listening to this. I actually got word that apparently my
boss's wife likes to listen to a lot of stuff. So I'm like,
wow, I gotta I gotta be careful of what I say, because apparently
I was just ripping on some fourty year old viewers at the theater one time,
and I guess that's the age demographic of some of the listeners. So
I apologize out there means doughnut plating bad way people are eating donuts, that's
what. What it is is that the same person that said there's no bad
which it's almost a good bread bread, that bread and butter, that there's
no bad fuck, there's no bad villains in a great movie. Is that
person listening? Oh? Probably, yeah, shouts out to Brennan. Wait,
we don't dump it in correctly. A couple of weeks ago asked us
because was a heel one that post questioned you because, yeah, because you
said the thing with comic book movies is that you can't have a good comic
book movie with a bad villain. And then I'm like, I don't think
that's true. But I also couldn't really just think of it. I think
it is true because I think there's yeah, there's ones. Like my example
is like Logan, where you have like Boyd Holebrook and you have Richard your
Grant and they're smaller villains and they're not like the best, but they're not
like bad. So that's the thing where it's I feel like all great movies
even if they don't have a great like comic movies, if they don't have
a great villain, I wouldn't consider that great. The Man one. That
depends on what you're considering. Well, it was good, it was a
good comic movie. Is he saying good or great? Kirkland? What was
the quote? He said? Great? Yeah? Great? To me,
that's like a a S tier. So that to me, it's like,
I think, usually give me thirty minutes. I think I could come up
with an answer, but yeah, it's weird. I should be able to
snap. We'll circle back maybe, Like I said, that would be a
good bread and butter where we pull up some movies and just say, hey,
what what is great and what are some villains? So well dark Man,
we'll circle back. We're not circling back to dark Man the COVID era,
Oh boy, a weird era. Back to the topic at hand,
though, Madam Webb, I'm not too surprised about that. Oh yeah,
that's why I wrote that up. I like that a lot of them actually
like these Sony movies enough, and like they still just had no interest in
seeing this and it's like maybe when it comes to like I almost said,
po v v O D Madam from today, I wonder what it is with
this movie, because I thought this one could have a very chancing with Sidney
Sweetey, people like to Gore Johnson. But I think it's just like I
don't know, we saw that the Marvels last year because people are more picky.
I'm very I'm not curious about Craven because I think it's just gonna eat
shit. Venom three is what I'm most curious about because those last two movies
been successful, but like we said before, Aucaman won and Captain Marvel very
successful, and those eight shit like Ackman end up actually doing. Aucaman's the
biggest DC movie since Aucaman, if you don't count the Batman, which is
just kind of funny like so it's like taking the crown from each other.
So it it ended up with like four fifty, so it didn't completely crash
on. I'm it did better than the Marvels, but the same thing as
Venom that people like Tom Hardy, so, but I really don't know.
I don't know what people pick anymore. To be honest, I feel like
vandom is just such a like side thing though, like it's something almost bigger
than Sony Like that are like, yeah, I know, I don't really
care about the Sony projects, but Venom is my guy, so like,
I'll play to you there for vandom three, I hear a lot of that.
What about the Iron Man movies like Whiplash justin Hammer, those are not
the best villains, but great great movies, right degree, I already pitched
they're not great movies. I rejected Iron Man too. Iron Man one?
Is that a great villain? Open, I says, a good villain?
But Jeff Bridges, Yeah, person, Okay, I'll keep looking. I'll
keep snymohere else was I going, Oh, yeah, Sidney Moon. Now
this is a character not because of the weird origin stuff between her and Peter.
He's Oh, no, I don't know. I mean, you're dirty
travels. Why would you read such smut? No? I actually think Silk
is an interesting character. I was. I was reading a bit of this
amazing Spider Man. I don't know which one it is, but just crossover
with her character. Interesting stuff there. She also has like a couple couple
of collaborations with some of the other Spider women. Like an interesting character.
I read this comment from Peter's point of view, My god, it was
crazy just digging my graving further. I feel like I'm a visual person as
well, and she is probably probably one of the coolest designs for an outfit
like comic book character, Like look at that look. I feel like,
just like the bandana mask too, is something very different. It looks like
me face, looks like your face. I drew myself actually for this cast.
I just feel like not having like a full on mass like most Spider
people have, Like it's just really interesting look, very Ninja like and this
the color patterns are sweet, and we know they got plans for her.
We've talked about this Kirkle in a different cast in context, like they are
planning to have Sidney Moon be a bigger character. So I don't think the
show's gonna die. But I was even gonna say if you've I don't know
how fur far you are in Spider Man two, but her name definitely comes
up. I feel like I did a great job of not dropping the I
don't know Froly got the Spider Man two, but she's sucking in there.
He's been up for so long. Yeah, it's but she's definitely alluded to,
and it's like, Okay, clearly, I think Sony has the idea
of, like, we want to do things with this character. So she's
actually in the MCU already. She's gonna be in Dele three Catalon with Tom
Hollans Peter Parker, which is kind of funny. Well is she the name?
Do they just named Sidney Moon? I remember, yeah, that's I
remember that was around that time, right, and everyone's like, oh man,
they're gonna do it there, gonna fuck first rate. But yeah,
back to the topic of the hand, I keep doing these little sidetracks.
I This news worries me. I feel like, especially coming off of Madam
Webb so interested in like getting Julia Carpenter on live action, so pumped to
have like Sidney Sweeney pairing up with it, and like that's what I get,
And now going forward, I don't think. I think it's gonna be
a hot minute if even then I see another version of Julia Carpeter on live
action after that, I really don't want that to be the same route.
With Silk, I think she's a little bit different because she's she's a character
that's growing just kind of traction, like she's becoming a lot more popular obviously.
You know, Travis and I were talking in a secret meeting that where
she's popping up in the future just regarding what I said previously and just become
like she just seems like a newer character, kind of like how Miles kind
of went that route. Yeah, like she is a minority to being an
Asian character. So I feel like that just has a little bit faith that
like we will be able to see a good story being told for and not
just limited to one series. I think. I don't know, I just
think like the team that was initially doing it was a little bit worrisome just
the fact that, like you know, the Sony stuff isn't great, and
like they do they do have a history of being great, like the Spider
Verse. I know that is something though because of Yeah, because like you
also got Phil Lord Miller, which, like again there's some stuff around them.
Maybe they overwork some anime or stuff which is not great, but like
creatively, those guys have proven to be a great track record, and I'm
hoping that there's some stuff that maybe they could end up doing some live action
world but like the live action stuff, even the Venom stuff. It's like
it's always we're I think the most of us we say it's fine or kind
of fun, but there's like what they've been without the MCU. And what's
the last great movie they had two thousand and four was Tote Macguild. Oh
my god. This depends how I feel it's amazing. I don't think back
to the Great conversation. I don't think any amazing movies are great. I
like the first one, but I wouldn't consider that great. Yeah, I'd
agree, So I think I already had like somewhat concerns with that, But
then like what you just said, Like that's just such a strange statement.
I'm so used to it being like, yeah, we're gonna try and cater
more to like the female audiences, like like comic book movies. I feel
like across I might be entirely wrong with this, but I just think in
the past, especially in the past, they've been a lot more just focused
for male audiences. So it's like, why do you have to bring in
more of that attention? And then of course you just you go with the
memes about the love making. It's just bizarre, especially when you pair it
up with that that line. I think it's just a straight up weird line
overall. So yeah, it's it's definitely not good news, but I'm excited
to see more of Sydney Moon and Silk. I am in some context,
but maybe not maybe not here. I don't know. I don't have any
faith in anything they do now, Like with Nick Cage, I like the
idea of Spierman Noir, but I don't like the idea of Nick Cage because
I don't want SPI I think there's something really cool, dramatic and stylized you
can do there. But I think if you just get him in us by
Noir sense, I just know. I think that's gonna be a more comedic
side or more tongue in cheek, which I'm fine that in Spider verse,
but I don't need to hear. But I get if you're trying to sell
a show on Amazon, Hey, Spider Man, is Nick Cage? Okay?
That could be fun. Same thing that the action scenes, like,
is he gonna be I guess he just got a stunt double, but it's
like he's gonna be flipping around. But now I guess he's in a mass
So you're you're okay. So that's fine, but yeah, Silk I have.
It sucks that I was really excited by the Amazon announcements because Amazon's been
putting out some really good stuff, so it's like, oh, this could
actually be a corner of the Sony world. That's good. And I have
to hold my breath because yeah, I'm hoping that the Silk stuff is just
they want more action oriented, et cetera. But I don't know. I
can't trust the record, Madam Webb. That's that's a no surprise for me.
I'm just more curious again, not just Sense of Venom three, just
also we don't have any new movies announced. I'm really wondering if they're not
gonna announce anything till after this year, and I'm really I just want to
see what they do because I feel like before they're always like, hey,
they got Venom, and then there's gonna Venom too, and then more like
we always knew there was something coming and officely el Moretto has supposed to be
in production, but like, I don't think that's ever happening. So I
just that's what I'm waiting for to see. If we go like a year
and they haven't announced anything, that's not MCU Spider Man. I might be
like, oh, they might have learned their lesson and maybe they're gonna slow
down. I'm not saying stop the Sony ways, I guess I would say
stop, but clearly they're not gonna write. They have to do one every
five years so they can keep the rights. So just all I'm asking for
is, don't get the people that directed fifty Shades, or don't get the
people that wrote Gods of Egypt, you know. And I don't muddel so
much. So that's why I hope have some faith in But uh, mister
Field, I mean, I think Nick Cage's coming back into the fold here
would be wonderful. I'd love to see him. I mean, if you
were to play Spider Noir, I'm all for that, I think. I
just I love that character in Spider Verse so very much, so to kind
of be reimmersed with that character and have Nick Cage portray again as it would
be great if that is what he would be portraying. Madame Webb disastrous box
office, Yeah, I was. My plan was to go and see it
a few weekends ago, but it didn't end up panning out. And now
I guess I'm just gonna wait and see it at home whenever it drops.
So yeah, yeah, definitely, I'm a POV at home. So like
it's funny because people have been meaning like Twitter is full of like three minute
clips, like a probably piece to go to the whole movie by now,
because I've just been watching these clips and yeah, there's there's some very questionable
pieces of dialogue in that films. I'm sure you guys know. As for
Silk, this Cindy Moon character, I let's get her her own movie.
Let's get her in here. I want to see this character. I want
to see more of her, what she's doing. I think we could have
some fun like I'm there CAUs Asian, but you can tell me if I'm
wrong. I don't know. I don't think she is. But I don't
think that's what they should do, Taylor is focus on a male audience.
I mean, see right out Underworld too nice. The nice thing about this
is you know you can create a cinematic universe where there's something for everyone.
You got Madame Went for the ladies, and you can have a Cindy Moon
movie for the men. Like this is awful. Not to cut you off
their tailor tired, Taylor is gonna get himself canceled. I also think there's
a chance we just never see Silk, so that's unfortunately. Is it Sydney
or Cindy Cindy Moon, Like yeah, yeah, all right, you know
that break, We'll be right back