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It's been made enough jokes about them,

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so we'll do that right now.
So again, a rapid fire Madam Webb

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lois box office opening for a Marvel
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since Fan for Stick to not open
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book I guess with Marvel and DC. So there you go. But even

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you know, we've had low ones, even the marvels Aukaman, Shazamtu,

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Blue Beetle, all of open one. But Madam One. What'd you say,

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Morbius, Yeah, Morbius, Yeah, but Bob Marley kicked the three

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Madam Webs ass or I guess it's
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an eighty percent drop from Thursday Thursday. No not, it's doing exactly what

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we thought it would. I don't
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to pull those out for I kind
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the year to get all our predictions
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But so you got that in positive
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talks for the Spiderman Noir live action
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if he would be starting as Spiderman
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who knows remember as of right now, even though in Spider Verse he does

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play like Peter Parker and he has
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would not be Peter Parker. Again, leaning towards the theory of can they

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not use Peter Parker because why not? Like people will understand if it's a

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black and white show said in the
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understand that it's not Paul like almost
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Hall, Tom holland Tobaguire are like
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was so silk the show that at
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but they're doing a massive overhaul and
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appeal more to the male demographic.
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why this could be a concern is
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males watch comicbooks, so more action
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they just they fuck. They just
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it as like an art that it's
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like sexualizing Asian kind of taking some
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the Asian spider woman that's like has
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that storyline in retrospect now has up
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don't know what they mean by they
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when people heard that and they know
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it would be Peter Parker, but
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like another Spider person and maybe do
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it's a concerning stuff. So mister
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Sony, other than maybe getting hey
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not on the same page for what
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like it's a mess. And my
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really concerned because they could see in
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the Friday before, So that was
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lot of faith in these films.
There's a lot of glue. The quote

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was there's a lot of gloom in
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was like forty three is twenty six. So it's kind of other than the

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odd Venom bump a decline. So
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having a tough time right now.
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clearly my vibes were just wrong.
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was just I was off the pulse
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media much. Maybe that's why I
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other than what the discord is.
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it was very much intrigued for Madam, but it's not popular. Don't don't

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know many people. I'll pull my
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that have. I think April's seen
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lot of discussion about it, that's
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to half and April get fourth us. But she did say it was like

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cause so bad. It's so good. But it's not been seen by a

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lot of people. And I do
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like April watches so many movies that
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she's just like seen she sees movies
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half a star there for in the
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not very good, But I mean
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predictions, it's not shocking to me
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Valentine's d Maybe that hurt it because
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and canceling their weekend plans to go
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if I would really make much of
a difference. But yeah, that's too

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too bad. But you know,
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word of mouth is that it's bad
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sir? I don't know why.
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movie in a while. Maybe it's
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it's some of the details you were
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the things, like show me one
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that's the route they're going down and
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demograph, which is my demographic personally, Yeah, that's what it could work

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like, I don't really want And
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again that wasn't a report. But
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we're planning focusing the show on a
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quant you know, like, oh, let's hit the other audience, you

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know. But yeah, I mean, it's a character that I'm curious about

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strictly because she's a cool card in
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what's up with her when I play
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story when I'm going into my battles
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don't know, it just seems like, if you're gonna cut anything to put

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money behind the things that are working, I don't know if you're gonna put

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venom and yeah, I don't know
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more, give more money Tom Holland
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not sure. So, yeah,
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it, so it makes sense to
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a Spider Guy, Spider Boy,
Spider Ant. Where to start, Madam

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boss's wife likes to listen to a
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wow, I gotta I gotta be
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what. What it is is that
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which it's almost a good bread bread, that bread and butter, that there's

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no bad fuck, there's no bad
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person listening? Oh? Probably,
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we don't dump it in correctly.
A couple of weeks ago asked us

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because was a heel one that post
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said the thing with comic book movies
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Grant and they're smaller villains and they're
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like bad. So that's the thing
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even if they don't have a great
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a great villain, I wouldn't consider
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good comic movie. Is he saying
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that's like a a S tier.
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snap. We'll circle back maybe,
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good bread and butter where we pull
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what what is great and what are
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though, Madam Webb, I'm not
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that's why I wrote that up.
I like that a lot of them actually

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seeing this and it's like maybe when
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po v v O D Madam from
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this movie, because I thought this
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don't know, we saw that the
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been successful, but like we said
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successful, and those eight shit like
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just kind of funny like so it's
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care about the Sony projects, but
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What about the Iron Man movies like
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the best villains, but great great
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they're not great movies. I rejected
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Is that a great villain? Open, I says, a good villain?

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keep snymohere else was I going,
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this is a character not because of
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travels. Why would you read such
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amazing Spider Man. I don't know
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of collaborations with some of the other
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I read this comment from Peter's point
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crazy just digging my graving further.
I feel like I'm a visual person as

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well, and she is probably probably
one of the coolest designs for an outfit

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like comic book character, Like look
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just like the bandana mask too,
is something very different. It looks like

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me face, looks like your face. I drew myself actually for this cast.

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I just feel like not having like
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people have, Like it's just really
interesting look, very Ninja like and this

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the color patterns are sweet, and
we know they got plans for her.

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We've talked about this Kirkle in a
different cast in context, like they are

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planning to have Sidney Moon be a
bigger character. So I don't think the

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show's gonna die. But I was
even gonna say if you've I don't know

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how fur far you are in Spider
Man two, but her name definitely comes

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up. I feel like I did
a great job of not dropping the I

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don't know Froly got the Spider Man
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He's been up for so long.
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and it's like, Okay, clearly, I think Sony has the idea

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of, like, we want to
do things with this character. So she's

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actually in the MCU already. She's
gonna be in Dele three Catalon with Tom

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Hollans Peter Parker, which is kind
of funny. Well is she the name?

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Do they just named Sidney Moon?
I remember, yeah, that's I

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remember that was around that time,
right, and everyone's like, oh man,

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they're gonna do it there, gonna
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back to the topic of the hand, I keep doing these little sidetracks.

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I This news worries me. I
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Webb so interested in like getting Julia
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have like Sidney Sweeney pairing up with
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And now going forward, I don't
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a hot minute if even then I
see another version of Julia Carpeter on live

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action after that, I really don't
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With Silk, I think she's a
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that's growing just kind of traction,
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You know, Travis and I were
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she's popping up in the future just
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like she just seems like a newer
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of went that route. Yeah,
like she is a minority to being an

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Asian character. So I feel like
that just has a little bit faith that

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like we will be able to see
a good story being told for and not

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just limited to one series. I
think. I don't know, I just

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think like the team that was initially
doing it was a little bit worrisome just

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the fact that, like you know, the Sony stuff isn't great, and

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like they do they do have a
history of being great, like the Spider

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Verse. I know that is something
though because of Yeah, because like you

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also got Phil Lord Miller, which, like again there's some stuff around them.

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Maybe they overwork some anime or stuff
which is not great, but like

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creatively, those guys have proven to
be a great track record, and I'm

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hoping that there's some stuff that maybe
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world but like the live action stuff, even the Venom stuff. It's like

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it's always we're I think the most
of us we say it's fine or kind

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of fun, but there's like what
they've been without the MCU. And what's

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the last great movie they had two
thousand and four was Tote Macguild. Oh

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my god. This depends how I
feel it's amazing. I don't think back

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to the Great conversation. I don't
think any amazing movies are great. I

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like the first one, but I
wouldn't consider that great. Yeah, I'd

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agree, So I think I already
had like somewhat concerns with that, But

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then like what you just said,
Like that's just such a strange statement.

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I'm so used to it being like, yeah, we're gonna try and cater

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more to like the female audiences,
like like comic book movies. I feel

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like across I might be entirely wrong
with this, but I just think in

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the past, especially in the past, they've been a lot more just focused

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for male audiences. So it's like, why do you have to bring in

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more of that attention? And then
of course you just you go with the

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memes about the love making. It's
just bizarre, especially when you pair it

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up with that that line. I
think it's just a straight up weird line

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overall. So yeah, it's it's
definitely not good news, but I'm excited

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to see more of Sydney Moon and
Silk. I am in some context,

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but maybe not maybe not here.
I don't know. I don't have any

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faith in anything they do now,
Like with Nick Cage, I like the

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idea of Spierman Noir, but I
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I don't want SPI I think there's
something really cool, dramatic and stylized you

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can do there. But I think
if you just get him in us by

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Noir sense, I just know.
I think that's gonna be a more comedic

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side or more tongue in cheek,
which I'm fine that in Spider verse,

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but I don't need to hear.
But I get if you're trying to sell

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a show on Amazon, Hey,
Spider Man, is Nick Cage? Okay?

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That could be fun. Same thing
that the action scenes, like,

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is he gonna be I guess he
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like he's gonna be flipping around.
But now I guess he's in a mass

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So you're you're okay. So that's
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It sucks that I was really excited
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putting out some really good stuff,
so it's like, oh, this could

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actually be a corner of the Sony
world. That's good. And I have

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to hold my breath because yeah,
I'm hoping that the Silk stuff is just

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they want more action oriented, et
cetera. But I don't know. I

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can't trust the record, Madam Webb. That's that's a no surprise for me.

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I'm just more curious again, not
just Sense of Venom three, just

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also we don't have any new movies
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gonna announce anything till after this year, and I'm really I just want to

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see what they do because I feel
like before they're always like, hey,

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they got Venom, and then there's
gonna Venom too, and then more like

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we always knew there was something coming
and officely el Moretto has supposed to be

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in production, but like, I
don't think that's ever happening. So I

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just that's what I'm waiting for to
see. If we go like a year

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and they haven't announced anything, that's
not MCU Spider Man. I might be

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like, oh, they might have
learned their lesson and maybe they're gonna slow

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down. I'm not saying stop the
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stop, but clearly they're not gonna
write. They have to do one every

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five years so they can keep the
rights. So just all I'm asking for

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is, don't get the people that
directed fifty Shades, or don't get the

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people that wrote Gods of Egypt,
you know. And I don't muddel so

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much. So that's why I hope
have some faith in But uh, mister

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Field, I mean, I think
Nick Cage's coming back into the fold here

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would be wonderful. I'd love to
see him. I mean, if you

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were to play Spider Noir, I'm
all for that, I think. I

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just I love that character in Spider
Verse so very much, so to kind

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of be reimmersed with that character and
have Nick Cage portray again as it would

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be great if that is what he
would be portraying. Madame Webb disastrous box

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office, Yeah, I was.
My plan was to go and see it

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a few weekends ago, but it
didn't end up panning out. And now

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I guess I'm just gonna wait and
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So yeah, yeah, definitely,
I'm a POV at home. So like

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it's funny because people have been meaning
like Twitter is full of like three minute

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clips, like a probably piece to
go to the whole movie by now,

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because I've just been watching these clips
and yeah, there's there's some very questionable

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pieces of dialogue in that films.
I'm sure you guys know. As for

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Silk, this Cindy Moon character,
I let's get her her own movie.

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Let's get her in here. I
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to see more of her, what
she's doing. I think we could have

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some fun like I'm there CAUs Asian, but you can tell me if I'm

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wrong. I don't know. I
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think that's what they should do,
Taylor is focus on a male audience.

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I mean, see right out Underworld
too nice. The nice thing about this

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is you know you can create a
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You got Madame Went for the ladies, and you can have a Cindy Moon

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movie for the men. Like this
is awful. Not to cut you off

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their tailor tired, Taylor is gonna
get himself canceled. I also think there's

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a chance we just never see Silk, so that's unfortunately. Is it Sydney

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or Cindy Cindy Moon, Like yeah, yeah, all right, you know

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that break, We'll be right back