1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:12,919 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's your source of 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,160 information and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Block off hats 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:23,359 a step hit on staylock block. Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:30,079 Nuno. He to c Hockey Live Shopper, joining you from the fan Tracks 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,799 world. Over there, it's Victor Nuno of EP Ring side. Victor, 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,000 how you doing, Yeah, I'm doing awesome, Jesse. It is. 7 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:44,119 Yeah. It's like playoff time now for the NHL, which we tend to 8 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:48,200 worry less about. We're all about all league ground, dynasty leagues, things 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,280 like that. So that's what we're gonna focus on today. But what are 10 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,960 you focused on right now? Jesse? Oh man, I'm focused on so 11 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:00,799 many things. I'm just trying to keep afloat Victor. There are all kinds 12 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:06,560 of fan there's I think I still just cut behind a curtain. You're in 13 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,480 our future right now, people listening, Victor and I are in your past. 14 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,879 There is a time paradox occurring here. But I believe that as you're 15 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,760 listening, I'm still I hope I'm still setting a playoff lineup today. We'll 16 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,959 see, we'll see what happens at the very end here of the season. 17 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,319 We're very it's the very end of the season one way or the other. 18 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:27,280 Either I just said it or I'm about to set it, and Victor the 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,920 place I'm going to go. 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You can do a little roster doctor. 29 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,960 Those are really good to see where your team is headed, what you 30 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,120 need to do off season moves you might need to make. Of course, 31 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:22,000 you get patroon casts that we'll be doing continuing through the summer extra content. 32 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:24,120 When we do the team previews, we'll be doing some some bonus content that'll 33 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,840 only be for patrons, so you can check that out. Of course, 34 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:30,759 there's the planning the tidy, which is going to be highlighted a bit today, 35 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:34,639 and we're going to open a new division so you can get in on 36 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,120 that, plus all kinds of ranks, player cards, and other lists that 37 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:42,599 you can find over at the website that is only accessible through Patreon. So 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,599 patreon dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life is where you can check all that out. 39 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:51,000 I do believe that after this break, you're gonna hear yourself a very 40 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:54,840 entertaining guest and we're gonna have a couple of folks ready to talk about that 41 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:07,879 tidy and what happened in this year of tisshow it is the time for some 42 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:14,479 tidy discussion and to do it today, Victor and I are bringing in Tim 43 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,680 Ay. How you doing, Tim, I'm well good to be with you 44 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:23,639 guys today, and I am handing as usual the big ancient mariner wheel that 45 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:27,680 steers the ship, the big wooden wheel with all the spokes on the end 46 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 to the Admiral Ryan Downey. How you doing, Ryan, I'm good. 47 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:36,240 I'm happy to drive the boat here on this holiday Sunday, and thanks for 48 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:38,800 again for having me and Tim. Welcome to the show. It's great to 49 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:43,360 have you. How are you doing today and how have you We've been teasing 50 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,520 this episode for a very long time, I think pretty much since January since 51 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,680 this all happens. So how are you feeling about taking us on a journey 52 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,199 here through this very odd experience? But it was an intense experience. I'm 53 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,879 actually I'm looking forward to it because I get to relive it from the start 54 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,879 all the way through, so recapping, thinking about some of my decisions along 55 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:09,800 the way. Hindsight's always twenty twenty, so it's gonna be a bit of 56 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,280 a fun episode to talk through with you guys. Definitely, And I should 57 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:17,079 give some full context here in case there's someone here who doesn't know who Tim 58 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,879 is or why we're talking to him. We are gathered here today to talk 59 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,000 about one of the more intriguing storylines of the latter half of our Tidy season 60 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:30,120 in the top tier, the Lord Stanley Division, and this is a tale 61 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,759 as old as time. We had a manager who decided that they didn't have 62 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,639 the inclination or the capacity to continue in the Tidy this season. And this 63 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,639 happens for various reasons. I've had to back out of dynasty leagues in the 64 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,360 past. Sometimes you just take on a bit more than you can chew. 65 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,360 So this happens every year in every dynasty league that I've ever been in. 66 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:51,319 And what's the usual commissioner response when this happens. There's one of two things 67 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,399 you could do. Usually the team would enter into some kind of commissioner receivership, 68 00:04:56,399 --> 00:05:00,199 and the commissioner, who is already overloaded, and I could speak to 69 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,399 personal experience, commissioning six leagues at once is a challenge, but usually the 70 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:09,680 commission will take over and then eventually we'll find another manager. I know for 71 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:14,600 a fact that Victor certainly does not have the capacity to take on an extra 72 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:18,160 team as commissioner. How many teams are you at now, Victor, I 73 00:05:18,199 --> 00:05:24,680 think it's twenty four. Yeah, so that's insane, twenty four teams, 74 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:28,360 and so we could not make it twenty five. But also at the same 75 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:32,160 time, we couldn't just pick anybody to take over a team in the top 76 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,839 division of the Tidy it kind of flies in the face of the entire promotion 77 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:41,759 of relegation structure that Victor and Jesse have set out for this league. So 78 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,279 that didn't necessarily sit right with us. So Victor, why don't you take 79 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,399 us through the process a little bit of selecting Tim here to take over in 80 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:54,680 Lord Stanley. Yeah, it is quite the honor to be in Lord Stanley's 81 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:59,519 top division. And yeah, we had to not just pick anyone. That 82 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:01,279 was a bit. Part of the discussion is how do we decide? And 83 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:08,000 one thing that I thought about is let's think who you know who deserved it, 84 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:11,920 who has been a part of this for a while, who has done 85 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,199 well, who maybe didn't quite make it before. And Tim's name stood out 86 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,959 because I went back and looked at who did well last year. Last year 87 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:29,160 Tim finished fourth in our division, in the Gretzky Division, and was pretty 88 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:32,000 had a pretty good chot of making it to the promotion because last year there 89 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:38,279 were four teams that got promoted, but unfortunately he was He was ousted in 90 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:43,120 the first round by hard Cider Hangover. I think that's Tom. I think 91 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,560 that was Tom's team. Who's in Tier one, who has come back to 92 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,000 haunt you again, which we'll get to later, but it wasn't just that 93 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,600 I wanted to also look at Okay, Tim was good last year and he 94 00:06:55,639 --> 00:07:00,920 had a good squad, and this year in our same division, and he 95 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,519 was killing it. He was doing really well, finished as one of the 96 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,879 top teams. In fact, I think at the time you surrender your team, 97 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,759 I think you were in second or first. You were in first. 98 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:14,160 Yeah, I think you might have had a couple of lucky wins, but 99 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,839 either way, your team was great and you were steamrolling to potential promotion. 100 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:26,079 And spoiler alert, your team did not win promotion because my team won that 101 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,519 division a couple of good playoff performances there. But so we just had to 102 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,519 get that in, didn't you victory? You just had that out loud. 103 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,319 I'm very excited to be going to Lord Stanley next year. Anyways, So 104 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,839 we wanted to pick someone who did really well last year had continued to do 105 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,720 well this year, and Tim's name was an easy choice because we just looked 106 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:53,079 at points four over the last couple of years and it was an easy choice, 107 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:55,959 and so that's why I presented it. We have a board for the 108 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,040 tidy that has representatives from all different divisions, and I laid out some of 109 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:05,120 the evidence. Here's how some of these managers have performed over the last couple 110 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,160 of years. And Tim's name was at the top, and I said, 111 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,199 I suggest him, and everyone agreed that was a good choice. So that's 112 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,439 why I offered it to Tim. Yeah, and a worthy choice certainly. 113 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,360 One thing that I wanted to remark on before we invite Tim into the conversation 114 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,720 here is that Tim was also one of the more active managers in his previous 115 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,360 division. I believe actually before we announced that Tim was going to be taking 116 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,600 over the team, that Tim had made this big blockbuster trade even the week 117 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,240 before to try and improve his team for the playoffs. Since we definitely needed 118 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,679 someone active, we needed someone at the top of their game, and we 119 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,399 landed on Tim. Tim, why don't you take us through the feelings of 120 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,720 getting asked to jump into to the top division and then how you undertook the 121 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,720 process here of dissecting this team. Sure, when you guys reached out to 122 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:52,799 me, what has it been, it would have been the first week of 123 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:58,919 January. My initial thought was why me? So I wasn't first in Gretzky 124 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,919 at the time. By virtue of a tiebreaker, and with the pison Crafter 125 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,279 and that guy, he is a great manager. So I sat back and 126 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,480 went, well, that's that's a pretty lucky timing for this to go down. 127 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,759 I literally just passed him for a week. Crafter is a great GM. 128 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,960 He would have been well worthy of that selection as well. But when 129 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,440 you get invited into the top league, what else is there to say about 130 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,639 Heck? Yeah, yeah indeed, And I just want to echo what you 131 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,000 said Tim there about crafts a great general manager. Anyone who's listened over the 132 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:37,240 past couple months has known the kind of immense respect I have for Pies and 133 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,840 Craftster, and then I learn a lot every single time. And that's how 134 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,320 we feel about you as well, Tim, especially as we get into it 135 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,120 here back to you here. Yeah, it was really something because it wasn't 136 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,399 the normal type of promotion, right, some might look at and go, 137 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,440 well, did he really earn it? So one of the things that I 138 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,440 was starting to think about what my next move was how do I how do 139 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:03,480 I avoid relegation? Obviously, and then but I also want to prove that 140 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,080 I belong there. As I was making the first set of moves, I 141 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,159 was thinking towards next year as well. But it really was a mindset shift 142 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,279 because here I am, I'm going from challenging for first overall trying to look 143 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:18,399 to get promoted, and then all of a sudden, I got to think 144 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,200 about a relegation type format. It was an interesting time. Then I start 145 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,159 to walk through the initial steps. And anytime you join a league, the 146 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:30,440 first thing you're gonna do is look at your roster. I know the GM 147 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,159 that I took over for he is a worthy GM as well, so I 148 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,519 knew that there would be pieces on the roster. And when I started to 149 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,080 look at it, I started look at the core players. Who are the 150 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,879 players? Where are their point per game kind of statistics for this year? 151 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,600 And when I first looked at the core players, that thought, I need 152 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,320 a couple more impact players. At the time I took the team, there 153 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,039 was only seven players that were above five points per game, so that was 154 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,799 one of the things I had identified. Then I look at the state of 155 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:01,919 the team's prospects, and there was a lot of meat on the bones as 156 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:07,559 far as prospects go, because there's the capital that I might move to obtain 157 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:13,159 more now players, So there definitely was a cupboard to draw from. And 158 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,279 then my third kind of thing that I looked at is where's the replacement level 159 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,159 on my team? And then we check out the waiver wire, see what's 160 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,039 out there, and you really try to raise the floor of the team. 161 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:28,720 You don't have to give up any capital off the waiver wire. So that's 162 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,720 kind of the first three steps I took. But also as I was thinking 163 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,039 about what prospects am I going to look to move, I looked at the 164 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:43,759 waiver wire, started going deeper into the waiver wire to see what kind of 165 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,840 prospects were out there. One of the interesting things when I would say that 166 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:52,320 was the most noticeable going from a Tier two to the Tier one, was 167 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,039 that the prospect pool on the waiver wire was a lot shallower and lord lot 168 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,360 shallower in Lord Stanley. And I look at some of the gms in Lord 169 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:07,639 Stanley. There's Hook, There's Tom Steam, Steel City, Stampeding Stallions, 170 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:13,960 Norse Bouldershots. I've competed against them in other leagues and they're all top quality 171 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:18,600 GM. I knew I was into a different level of compete when I was 172 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,919 starting to think about how to maneuver the ship that is ally Frady's broken flow. 173 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,200 Definitely. Yeah. And that's one of the things about playing in these 174 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:31,200 leagues that are based out of the FHL is we do run into the same 175 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:37,279 managers and start to get the tendencies or understand the tendencies of these other managers. 176 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:41,720 And Tim, you've really outlined here a number of really interesting conversations for 177 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,519 us to have here about undertaking this complete overhaul of a team. I would 178 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,720 like to just contextualize here a little bit for the FHL listeners and for our 179 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:56,879 conversation here the state that this team was in when we gave it to you 180 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,279 to take over. This was a last place team, and there's a lot 181 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:05,000 of ways you can get to being a last place team, and unfortunately this 182 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,159 team was last place mainly because of inactivity. One of the reasons why we 183 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,200 had to replace the previous manager was that there was a couple of weeks of 184 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,000 not sending rosters and maybe not getting people off of the injured reserve. And 185 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:20,879 what I kept saying to Tim and to others when we were talking about this 186 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,559 in the Board of Governors was that this is a last place team, perhaps 187 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,320 in the standings, but it's not necessarily a last place team on paper, 188 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,279 there's a lot of great pieces here, Tim, why don't you take us 189 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,919 through a little bit, and we'll chime in Jesse, Victor and I here 190 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,279 as needed here. But why don't you take us through what you noticed of 191 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,559 the roster when you took it over. I noticed you had a couple of 192 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,360 core players. You maybe needed a couple of more impact players. So why 193 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:48,759 don't you take us through starting with the core here and the decisions that you 194 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:54,799 made to change that core up. Absolutely so, when I look at the 195 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,879 initial roster, I had guys like Matthew Chuck, Brian Rust, Matthias Aco 196 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,759 Home was my third, and points per game I do a lot of When 197 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,240 I'm thinking about players, it's points per game versus total fantasy points. So 198 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:13,360 those were the top three. And really at the time matt to Chuck's points 199 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,039 per game was just above about six and a quarter, and I thought, 200 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,519 wow, that's not high enough if I'm if I really want to set out 201 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:26,039 on my original objective. But yeah, and for context here, the top 202 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,840 player in our league by points per game, I believe was Kouchirov around nine. 203 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:33,799 I would say nine point two five is approximately where Kutrov ended for the 204 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,440 year. Actually, I'm lying, it's Nate McKinnon ten point four two. 205 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,639 Now that I look, if your best player is Matt kul Chuck at six 206 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,320 point five, that's a considerable gap to make up. No, yeah, 207 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,159 it absolutely is. And I'm well aware of Nate McKinnon's point per game because 208 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,559 Tom in the second matchup. I had no answer for that. So McKinnon 209 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,519 went on a tearvor for a couple of weeks there. Then I look at 210 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,639 my roster and I I saw a lot of good pieces as far as prospects. 211 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:07,360 So there was Rutter McGroarty, Quinton Musty, will Smith, so there 212 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:09,559 was a lot of kind of there's a lot of capital there that I could 213 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:16,279 look to move to start to add those pieces. Yeah. Yeah, So 214 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:22,519 taking us through the prospect pool here, and you definitely made a dent in 215 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,320 this prospect pool. I'll say, just more context here for people that you 216 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,440 made like ten or eleven trades through the course of this season, taking in 217 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:35,639 some players, shipping out some players, keeping players for a short time, 218 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,320 using them as trade chips. Let's talk about some of the prospects that you 219 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,240 moved out. And I'm just going to pull up your list here. Tim, 220 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,159 by the way, gave us excellent notes for for our use here today, 221 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,559 and so credit to you, Tim. Some players found their way off 222 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,159 of your roster. Let's talk about a few of them here, and maybe 223 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,799 we can get Victor and Jesse to chime in on a few of these guys 224 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:00,320 too. We had coming out in the first kind of initial weeks of your 225 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,559 tear down here Rutger McGroarty on his way out, players like Quintin Musty, 226 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:11,559 Arthur Kallyev who is unfortunately mired in a healthy scratch situation with la goos Chin. 227 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,559 What were some of that What were some of the reasons for getting rid 228 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,879 of these players? Were you trying to take advantage of the upside that they 229 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,559 might have had, and what were you trying to get back by moving some 230 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,039 of these impact young guys. Great question. It's an interesting scenario in the 231 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:33,080 Tidy leagues right because of the promotion and relegation, the dynamics on prospects changes 232 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,039 a bit, and I've heard you guys talk about it a little bit on 233 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,399 past episodes. But when you have prospects, and that's great and you want 234 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:48,039 them to develop, But when you're either looking at promotion or even relegation, 235 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,000 you're going to lose them at some point. In the case of say McGroarty 236 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,919 and Will Smith, I was able to get back on Morgan Riley. So 237 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:59,840 there Morgan Riley's sits I think about six and a half points per game, 238 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:06,200 there's another impact piece. So that was my logic was I need to use 239 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,960 some of the higher end prospect capital to go try and take that ceiling to 240 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,240 my team and make it a little bit higher, because those prospects weren't going 241 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,640 to be around if I didn't do that, So they were going to go 242 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,400 back into the pool for next year for someone else to get. Yeah, 243 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,119 it's a matter of hanging on for dear life, Tim, It's whatever prospects 244 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,839 you have to deal. If your objective is to stick around in that league, 245 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,440 you've got to make the moves you make, and you definitely dealt some 246 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,680 great prospects, but just for the ability to hang in there. So I 247 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,960 respect that strategy there. Yeah, I think, sorry, Tim, but 248 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:51,640 yeah, I totally see where you're coming from here. Especially given the Tidies 249 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,960 promotion relegation structure, you're incentivized to move as much out as possible to stay 250 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:00,079 up and your goal, as we stated, was to stay up here. 251 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,240 So I imagine if the circumstances were different, you maybe wouldn't have traded Will 252 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:08,440 Smith and Rutger McGroarty for Morgan Riley. No, those trades would have been 253 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,720 more thoughtful. I'm always open to moving that type of player. We'll talk 254 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:18,039 a little bit about another trade that maybe the BFS and ally afraid has broken 255 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,559 flow exchanged, which would have seen a little kind of tilted and it was 256 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,519 in the end. I have no idea what you're talking about, Tim, 257 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,480 I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. But you make those decisions, 258 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,400 and yeah, in a different in a more traditional dynasty format, you 259 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,480 might hang on to some of those players or look for different types of returns 260 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,880 waiting. For me, looking at this list of all the players that you 261 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,640 traded is pretty mind boggling, Tim, It's a lot, But I think 262 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,519 you can see a clear pattern here of yeah, who's helping now versus who 263 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,799 is not going to help for a while or potentially is having a bit of 264 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,759 a down season, or or in the other sense, like you said, 265 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,640 Kuchuk, if sometimes you need to trade an A for two B plus's or 266 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,039 something like that. To get the depth in the middle is sometimes you have 267 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:14,119 to make those sacrifices. Think those are hard choices to make, and it 268 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,680 isn't always clear where it stands. But I think, especially in a league 269 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,400 where you're trying to not get relegated, sometimes it is better to have a 270 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,160 couple of really good players than one amazing player. Sometimes that depth can mean 271 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,319 a lot. Yeah, let's talk about that process of a massing depth here. 272 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,400 Tim. Another thing I realized going through some of your trades this year 273 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,480 is that you have the singular distinction of being a manager who has traded pier 274 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:45,279 Luke Dubois not once, but twice in two different leagues. And so let's 275 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:49,200 talk about extending that thought process of who's here to help now, who's here 276 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,960 to help later to the actual NHL players on your team, some of whom 277 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,640 you had to ship out and get other depth options. Yeah, it's you're 278 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:07,359 trying to every trade that I started to entertain, I was always looking towards 279 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,880 the playoff schedules. At that point. I wasn't going to move and pretty 280 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,559 much anywhere in the regular season standing. So every trade that I made was 281 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,039 with an eye towards playoffs, playoff schedule and maximizing my games played. So 282 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,480 that's why you might see some trades that kind of why would you bring in 283 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:33,640 someone like a Damn Forth or a domestic off because Winnipeg Columbus had decent playoff 284 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,039 schedules. That's where my headspace was. Yeah, it totally makes sense that 285 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,319 you would want to get rid of some of those guys who are underperforming, 286 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,359 get in some guys who might have better schedules in the playoffs. And I 287 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,119 think this is a great little kernel of advice for anyone who is undertaking this 288 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:53,799 kind of evaluation. It's many layered, as we've discussed already. But I'm 289 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:59,920 just looking at the waiver transactions that you made within the first week of taking 290 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,279 over, and you talked a little bit about scouring the waiver wire, seeing 291 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:07,519 which prospects are available, who might be you know, a small downgrade, 292 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,960 you know, I'm noticing here in January, for instance, you picked up 293 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,720 guys and here's just a random list. You picked up guys like Denver, 294 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:19,400 Barki, Yegor Sidorov, Villikoyven and just these are guys with some kind of 295 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,160 cachet, some name value, perhaps they were drafted a little bit higher. 296 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:29,200 Can you take us through the process of maybe replacing some of those prospects that 297 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:33,279 those great prospects that you shipped out with some of these kind of more replacement 298 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,880 level guys, just in your quest to maximize the point scoring of your roster. 299 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,240 Right now, it's funny someone in a discord at some point raised the 300 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,319 question, surely you can't trade all of your prospects, can you. Well, 301 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:51,000 frankly, last year in Gretzky, I did, And so last year 302 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:55,359 I sat there with open roster spots for a few months, and then I 303 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,359 started combing the waiver wire and really, those editions in Gretzky are sorry. 304 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,400 In Lord Stanley was just to replace the prospect capital that I trade away. 305 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,240 But also when I mentioned that, when my initial kind of discovery phase, 306 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:14,680 I was looking at the prospects on the waiver wire, realized it was a 307 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,160 bit thinner than what I'd experienced in Gretzky, and I thought, wow, 308 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:22,039 I better do this work now as opposed to wait in the offseason, because 309 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,480 I don't know who else has got interest in these prospects. Yeah, this 310 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:29,720 will be a little bit different for Victor, who will be joining Lord Stanley 311 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,480 next season after his successful season here in Gretzky. But I was right there 312 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,720 with you Tim last year at ME and Edward as part of the BFFs, 313 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:44,079 also traded huge amounts of prospects. I think we sent out guys like Jack 314 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,200 Quinn to bring in someone like Clayton Keller, and of course that was a 315 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,839 move that really helped us so and I think we acquired a goaltender as well 316 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720 in the same way, just again shipping out some guys that won't be able 317 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,359 to help us in terms of the point scoring right now to help us get 318 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,400 to the next level. And so you had to do all of that span 319 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,680 of three weeks instead of having a whole season. So mad respect to you. 320 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,200 I want to finish kind of the conversation about the initial team state here 321 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,319 just by asking you, at what point do you feel that the initial work 322 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,279 of rebuilding this team is done for now or was that a process that kept 323 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:22,960 going over the course of those weeks. That's a great question one of the 324 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,160 things that I started to because you never really know, right I'm new to 325 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,839 the league. I've actually only had what three four regular season matchups, so 326 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,480 it's really hard to know if the moves that you've made are enough to push 327 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:41,240 to be competitive. So what I did was I really paid attention from my 328 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:47,359 week to week matchups to see where I stood from week to week in overall 329 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,759 Fantasy points. One of the first things that kind of tips me that this 330 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:57,319 team did have some potential in it was really my first matchup. It was 331 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:03,200 against Jurassic Park, who was all going to be crowned the Lord Stanley Champion. 332 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,960 I picked up the team on a Monday, so one day, sorry, 333 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,440 on a Tuesday, so one day it already passed in our matchup. 334 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,000 In that matchup, once started setting lines and started making those moves. If 335 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:21,440 I just look at our total Fantasy points for the six days of that matchup, 336 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,079 I ended up I was ahead of Jurassic Park by six points. So 337 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,359 that was a bit of a bit of a oh okay, there's a pulse 338 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,039 with this team. It was certainly a lot closer than I thought it would 339 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:34,599 be in that first week. And this is why I said, this is 340 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,160 not really a last place team. And I'm just doing some quick envelope math 341 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,359 here, but you had a better points score than probably at least half of 342 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,319 the league. That week, maybe closer to seven or eight teams, and 343 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,319 so there's definitely some hope here for this roster, and then you kind of 344 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,880 transition into next week after that and you get yourself a big win against a 345 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:04,079 favorite manager of ours, Dennis. Yeah, that was again another positive in 346 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,200 the direction of the team. And it's funny as I was thinking about, 347 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:11,920 Okay, now, who would I trade with. I do have some relationship 348 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:17,440 ships prior relationships with some gms, and I'm thinking, okay, so the 349 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,519 people that are going to be in the relegation bracket probably not good trade partners. 350 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,279 So I really felt like I needed to do a lot of the heavy 351 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:32,559 lifting in that week one Week two matchup, because at that point, if 352 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:38,119 I'm another GM looking at the standings, I'm going I may underestimate a bit 353 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,079 on some of the some of the standing of my team. As a way 354 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,880 to put it, I was just looking at this is not for the podcast. 355 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,759 I was just looking at Tim's record going into the playoffs. Pretty great 356 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:53,400 three and one. So I'm going to throw it to that in just a 357 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,799 second, but I miss what you had just said, Tim, So can 358 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:02,440 you say it again and lead me in a little bit, which part, 359 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,240 just that whole answer, just what you just said, the end of what 360 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:10,799 you just said to lead me into continuing the talk of this. We get 361 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:12,200 you to the playoffs and you're three and one, going to like, how 362 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,640 did you I think the question I want to ask or get to is like, 363 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,279 when you're going through this week and you have a win against Dennis, 364 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,720 you have another win right after that, and then you lose to Mason, 365 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,960 and then you have another win against I think, is it Tom or who 366 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,880 is it someone else? But yeah, what's going through your head as your 367 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,519 because I know you made some moves during this time too, So I want 368 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:37,480 to get into the kind of this February ish period, okay of the team, 369 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Okay, all right? So then then I go on to my Week 370 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,240 three matchup. Again, it's a close win, but it was against the 371 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,480 impeding Stallions. They're in the upper half of the standing, so I'm starting 372 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,599 to feel good about my team, but I'm still trying to tweak for the 373 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,960 playoff schedule. So there's a lot of talk, a lot of people are 374 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,319 reaching out at this point. And then I get into to the Week four 375 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:07,200 matchup, my last matchup before before the playoffs. Mason another great GM and 376 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,839 so he takes me to the woodshed a bit. But when I look at 377 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,400 where I stand again in total points with the entire league play in, I'm 378 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,640 about sixth in the list, so I'm in the midsection. So I'm feeling 379 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,640 pretty good. And at that point we were still trying to figure out that 380 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:29,400 the relic the fourth relegation team came down to the very last day of that 381 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:34,279 matchup. Did yeah it? Did? I remember it fondly or perhaps not 382 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:40,359 so fondly, because you were really challenging the BFFs were in that kind of 383 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,799 final, the absolute final spot that you would need to stay in without avoiding 384 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,480 this relegation playoff, and so I was definitely sweating and maybe regretting a little 385 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,039 bit being such a champion of having you take over the team because it was 386 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,759 about to blow up in our face a little bit. Well there was, 387 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,640 if if memory serves me correct, there were five or six teams all buying 388 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,640 on that last day, so it was quite a time ready cur to work 389 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:11,119 out. So you go through this whole process of rebuilding this team for the 390 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,519 playoffs and looking specifically at these playoff schedules, and in the process of doing 391 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:19,200 that you moved out some players. It felt like your trades were a bit 392 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:25,240 were your waiver moves in perhaps maybe another kind of a league. And I've 393 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,279 been very kind of upfront with this on the podcast. I'm not much of 394 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:33,079 a trader in our division of labor. For the BFFs, Edward is the 395 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,640 trader and the kind of waiver wire scourer, and I am the kind of 396 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,079 person who puts the puzzle together to start the team every day. Can you 397 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:44,359 take us through a little bit of the process of looking at your roster week 398 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,759 after week and saying, Oh, this guy I just got him, he's 399 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:49,160 not maybe working out as much. I know a guy that you picked up 400 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,920 and then traded quickly was Morgan Riley for instance. We mentioned him earlier that 401 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,039 you traded Smith and McGroarty for him, and then you moved him out as 402 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,720 well. So how do you undertake the value of some of these players that 403 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,279 you bring in only to send them away. It's the Riley trade. So 404 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:10,240 the Riley trade was part of the Kucheroff Matt to Chuck trade with Mason, 405 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,799 and that was an interesting one. So I got I received the trade proposal 406 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,759 on a Saturday night. I looked at it, and I'm watching the hockey 407 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,480 game, and I literally just put my phone down. I couldn't even digest 408 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,240 that at that point. I wasn't really intending. At that point, I 409 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,599 thought I was pretty much done. Sunday would have been the trade deadline, 410 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,160 and then I will woke up in the morning, I sit down to the 411 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,319 table and I open up my phone and check last night's scores and I see 412 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,759 that trade, and Okay, I gotta give it some justice because it's Nikita 413 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:47,880 Kucherov. I believe he is. You just established McKinnon's number one in our 414 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,880 league, but he might be number two. And I had to give that 415 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,599 some deep thought, and I sent you guys my mad scientist notes. I 416 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,279 literally and written, by the way, this is the extra effort that we 417 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:04,240 have come to expect, and the managers in the top division. I do 418 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:08,319 the handwriting thing because I'm old screwl That's how I digest and keep it in 419 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:12,480 my brain. But so I started going down the rabbit hole, and then 420 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,240 I went down another rabbit hole. But I really just took the components of 421 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:22,240 the original offer from Mason and I started to apply it to the weekly break 422 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,359 out. The playoff matchups into weekly increments and start to look because I knew 423 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:32,160 Tampa Bay had not the greatest schedule for the playoff matchups, but I needed 424 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,160 to know where would that be, where would that fall? So Riley got 425 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,119 caught in that crossfire. It really wasn't intentional, and I thought long and 426 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,279 hard about that's right, because Tampa really had a tough schedule. They only 427 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,440 played four times in that second matchup, and that's where I thought. So 428 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,680 I added a couple pieces, that being Marcus Peterson and I gave up Jordan 429 00:30:53,799 --> 00:31:00,759 Spence with the thought process of maybe the games played that I was about to 430 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:06,000 give up could be offset Peterson. Peterson's a four and a half point per 431 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,039 game kind of guy. Pittsburgh had some off days in those two weeks. 432 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:15,319 So that was my logic and Riley Riley. What I'd never intended Riley to 433 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,279 be moved, just that was part of the package that ended up with Kutrov. 434 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:25,279 Part of my logic as I was annalys analyzing that trade was, Hey, 435 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,319 if I do get through the relegation having Kuturov for a full season, 436 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,119 there's some star power. Yeah, lots to consider here, especially since you 437 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,880 were hoping to stick around and lots more to come here as we continue with 438 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:52,519 Tim after these messages, this lead too excellence our serious injury when and we're 439 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,680 back here on Fantasy Hockey Life and the Tidy Takes segment with our guest Tim 440 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,920 a, who took over as one of our teams in the Lord Stanley Division 441 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,160 here this year. And this wouldn't be a true installment of the Tidy Take 442 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:09,440 segment without diving into a few trades. And indeed, Tim, you've kept 443 00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:14,359 us very busy on the podcast over the past couple of weeks. You've curated 444 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,480 a few trades here that were the most interesting from your perspective. So let's 445 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,279 dive right in. And I feel like I maybe need someone else to read 446 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,359 this trade because I have a little bit of a conflict of interest here because 447 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,000 this trade involves Tim and the BFFs, and in this case I will be 448 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:35,319 the kind of impartial observer because as I mentioned, Ed is the trader and 449 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,599 I'm the lineupsetter, and so Ed and Tim discussed this trade, and so 450 00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:45,880 I'll just I'll say here that Tim acquired from the BFFs Stephan Nason, who 451 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:50,359 more of a depth level streamer and Joe Pavelski, a player who has a 452 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,319 lot of value still left in our tidy league, and we required in return 453 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,440 prospect center for the Detroit Red Wings, Marco Casper, Nepo baby goal tender, 454 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,279 Olivier Rodrigue in Bakersfield. And then the kind of crown jewel of the 455 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,839 deal, I would say, Nico Hescher, the captain of the New Jersey 456 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,279 Devils. Now, this was a deal, as I mentioned that you did 457 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:15,319 with a couple of very handsome and smart managers in the Lord Stanley Division. 458 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,599 Why don't you take us through a little bit the process of making this trade. 459 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,359 I actually have no real knowledge of it. I was just asked to 460 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,599 sign off on it at the end of it all, so I don't really 461 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,960 have that insight. So why don't you share that with me and the listeners? 462 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680 Oh man, this is a trade where hindsight is twenty twenty. It 463 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,000 would probably be one that I would want to have back. I remember asking 464 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,759 you, guys, what is but what is Nico Heesher? Because when I 465 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,000 look, he's had one point per game season like being last year, and 466 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,119 he was behind that pace at the time of the trade. So sometimes for 467 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,559 me, I need to see a player do that point per game kind of 468 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,400 ceiling. I need to see that a couple of years in a row for 469 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640 me to believe. So part of this is my own valuation of Nikohesher. 470 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,719 So let's go into the trade. It proposes the trade to me, and 471 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:15,719 my initial reaction is smash decline. At that point, though niko Hesher was 472 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,239 performing at about five and a quarter points per game, Joe Pavlowski's somewhere around 473 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,559 five and three quarters, so it's about half a point a game. And 474 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:30,639 I start to think about smashing decline and those points, knowing that everything that 475 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,480 I'm doing right now is all for a six week period to get to get 476 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,800 through the relegation round. And so I started to offer Nikohesher around to a 477 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,519 couple of the other managers just to see what the return would be. And 478 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,519 some of those players that I went looking for were in that five and a 479 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:52,079 half to six points per game, maybe a bit younger. I couldn't get 480 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:55,199 anyone to bite on that. In my mind, I just had this little 481 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,119 nagging voice that was saying, hey, but what if you lose? So 482 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,400 if I do the calculation, it would be three to four points a week, 483 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:09,280 based on a three game week, that that point per game difference would 484 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,039 make. So literally, this voice in the back of my head is going, 485 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,400 what if you lose one of the relegation matchups by four and a half 486 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,559 points or less? And that just kept nodding at me. So I eventually 487 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:29,199 rethought, I came back, revisited the trade. I threw casper at it 488 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,880 just to try and make sure the deal got done. But I really was 489 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,679 looking for another guy. Stephan Nason probably doesn't have the greatest deployment, but 490 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,880 he was getting that PP one for a while in Carolina, so his points 491 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,199 per game were a little over four at the time. So that's essentially that 492 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,280 was the logic behind my side of that trade. I know that it's a 493 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:58,599 risk, but I enter trade negotiations every time with a mind to for it 494 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,599 to be a win for both gms. So in my mind, you have 495 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,360 to give up something to get something, and sometimes you got to pay a 496 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:12,360 price. Yeah, and again I respect that you had to do whatever was 497 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,800 necessary to try to hang on and every little point was going to count for 498 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,360 you. Yeah. I don't think anybody loved the trade. I remember hearing 499 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,400 about this trade. I don't remember whether I was just editing and muttering to 500 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,960 myself or whether I popped onto that part of that episode. But yeah, 501 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,679 it's it's rough. The other thing that I've I've always said too is people 502 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,199 are like people might say, why can't you get more for Nicoheshire. You 503 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,119 can only get as much as you can get. Somebody has to make that 504 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:42,559 trade with you, and it's great for everybody to think in a vacuum. 505 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,360 We probably need to think the same way about any L teams. You should 506 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,440 have been able to get more. I had to get. I saw that 507 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,800 I needed to make something here. This was what I was able to get. 508 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,199 I know, Nason, I don't even think you kept Nason on your 509 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,199 team all that long. But if you felt Pavelski was going to give you 510 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,719 the chance in the playoffs with the playoffs schedule, I understand it would have 511 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,880 been a tough one for me to make. I'll be honest with you, 512 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,239 but I understand why you did what you did. At the end of it, 513 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:12,960 Nico Heisher did what I think Victor said to me. Victor said to 514 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,840 me when I asked him about what Nico Hesher really is. Jack Hughes came 515 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,440 back from injury, and now Nico Hescher, I think is somewhere around six 516 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,559 and a quarter fancy points per game, so he's back up near that seventy 517 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:30,119 eighty point per season range. Hindsight's always twenty twenty. Whenever we make moves, 518 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,679 there's risks to it. And I had to answer that, that nagging 519 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,079 voice in my head and leave it all out on the table. And I 520 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,280 think I can confidently say, although maybe it didn't turn out the way I 521 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,119 wanted to in the playoffs, we left no stone unturned trying to make it 522 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:51,159 happen. For sure, I agree with that statement. I want to just 523 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,400 echo what both of you guys said, and what we say on this segment 524 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:59,599 a lot is that these trades need to be win and we want to create 525 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,519 the diner leagues that we want to play in. And nobody really likes to 526 00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:07,519 play with the trader who maybe offers up a player to every single team and 527 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,400 takes the best, or maybe someone who sends you offers that you would never 528 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,400 entertain in a million years. We want these trades to be win and so 529 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,800 I think this is another great We'll pat ourselves on the back a little bit 530 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960 here, Victor for picking Tim, because Tim has great relationships with a lot 531 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,719 of these managers, and the idea of being a fifty to fifty trader, 532 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,239 a win trader, is something that will serve you very well, especially in 533 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:36,000 this kind of league. Moving on here to another trade that you curated for 534 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,400 us, Tim, and this is a big one. This is the one 535 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:43,519 you mentioned earlier about acquiring Nikita Kuchirov. So we'll just say that you acquired 536 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:49,880 Nikita kuchiov fellow Tampa Bay Lightning a defenseman Darren Radish, right winger Justin Dana, 537 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,880 defenseman Marcus Petterson, and defenseman now of the Vegas Golden Knights, but 538 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,880 then of the Calgary Flames, Noah Hannafin from Mason. And this was around 539 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,000 the time of your matchup as well, I should say Mason acquired from you 540 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,360 Matthew ud Chuck Morgan Riley, the aforementioned and Jordan Spence. So this one 541 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,239 seems a little bit more even than the bff's fleecing. We'll say, our 542 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,679 tidy managers definitely think that as well, despite leaning slightly towards Mason's side, 543 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,159 if only slightly. I'm seeing your notes here that you have referenced the Tampa 544 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,239 playoff schedule, and we've talked about it a little bit here today. Why 545 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:32,280 did you still end up pursuing Kucharov despite the challenging schedule. Oh boy, 546 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,119 I would have been in. I would have been maybe on week one, 547 00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,800 and Mason and I had a bit of a back and forth because we completed 548 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,800 an earlier trade and he declared his interest in Matthew to Chuck at that point, 549 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,039 and so I, like I said, I wasn't going out looking to 550 00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:54,679 make that last trade. But when I started to break it down, and 551 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,800 maybe a byproduct of having some success in those last couple matchups, I maybe 552 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,880 thought maybe I do have enough to overcome that Tampa based schedule in the middle 553 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,159 two weeks. When I looked at it, you got couture Off. He's 554 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:15,280 a world talent. It was a bit spicy at the time because I went 555 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,199 back and looked at the previous thirty days and see what they're scoring was And 556 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,199 actually Matthew to Chuck was actually outscoring couture Off at that point, so there 557 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,960 was a bit a bit it's couture Off, right, he He'll get back 558 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,639 on the horse. And then I looked at it and went, okay, 559 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:36,519 so Noah hannafin versus Morgan Riley, you're giving up at the time a little 560 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,199 bit under two Fantasy points, but I was gaining them in couture off and 561 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,519 to Chuck and Mason. Also included Justin Danforth in the original offer, So 562 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:52,679 there's a guy has had some preferable playoff schedule and was replacement level, but 563 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,719 was at the time getting some deployment on the power play in Columbus. So 564 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,960 all that kind of went into it. So when I did the math, 565 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,920 I wanted to get some of the games played back, so I countered that 566 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:08,000 trade. I added Petterson from Pittsburgh Solid d Man to recoup some of the 567 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,599 games played, switch some of my games played into off nights to ensure that 568 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:20,079 we get that. But he also sent me Darren Radish, and I will 569 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:24,480 never look at Darren Radish's name the same again because of that second matchup. 570 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,360 Will be forever scarred. And we're going to talk about that one a little 571 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,760 later. Why don't you take us through it right now? Because Darren Radish 572 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,800 is not a it's not the kind of name certainly that would cause strong opinions, 573 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,800 at least right now. So why did you take us through a little 574 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,639 bit. Yeah, So as I was breaking down the Chichuk and Kucher off 575 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:51,199 trade, I really did a deep dive into those the week by week playoff 576 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,880 schedule, and if I had a lessons learned from my experience, I would 577 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,280 have probably did that a couple of weeks prior, just to try and get 578 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,960 my head around your off nights and whatnot. But I go through the playoff 579 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,159 matchups. My first ones against Foggy come out on top and I prevailed. 580 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:14,800 That's great. I was actually the highest points for that matchup, although Jack 581 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,719 and Mason had to buy, so I'm not sure they were setting their lineups. 582 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,519 So I get into my second matchup, which I always knew was going 583 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,280 to be a difficult one. It's against Tom Tron and he's the guy that 584 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,480 knocked me out of Gretzky last year, and privately I kind of had a 585 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,280 little back and forth with him about that, but we have a lot of 586 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,199 respect for each other, so we keep that bantering behind closed doors. So 587 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,199 I knew I was giving up in that matchup because I literally drew it out 588 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,519 day by day for that matchup. I knew I was giving up games played 589 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,239 to start that matchup, so I was gonna start a bit behind the eight 590 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,559 ball. I had some guys in that matchup that maybe cooled off for that 591 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,159 week, guys like co Paitar, Sam Bennett, Tuski. At that time, 592 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,840 it slowed a little bit, and so I was chasing it all week. 593 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,000 But I was keeping in pace with Tom, knowing that I was going 594 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,360 to recoup some of the games played on the second the first part of the 595 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,199 second week, I wake up, I go to bed the Saturday night of 596 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,480 that matchup, and I wake up in the morning, get my coffee, 597 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,679 sit down on the couch, and I open it up. And now, 598 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:28,239 in the past, I really never paid attention to my bench points. It's 599 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,280 just something I've never done. But for whatever reason, with the score Sharth 600 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:37,880 mentality that I had in Lord Stanley, I started paying attention somewhere in second 601 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,800 or third matchup of the regular season. So I opened up the bench points 602 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,840 and I had sat Bennett and Pavolski that day, a bit of a move, 603 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,360 but they worked, like I said, slow, and I started scrolling. 604 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,320 And Darren Radish on my roster is the last name I get to before 605 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,199 I see goalies. So I'm scrolling and I'm looking at my bench points that 606 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,280 Saturday, and then I get to Darren Radish and he had something like twenty 607 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,920 four points that night. He had a career twenty four point ninety four an 608 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,119 incredible week from Darren Radish. And was he locked in your miners? Basically 609 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,079 he played on off nights, so yeah, he was either he was either 610 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,679 on my bench or in the miners. I actually went back a day later. 611 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,800 Literally, you know the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit And when Roger Rabbit 612 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,440 sees Jessica Rabbit for the first time, his eyes bug out of his head 613 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,719 and his sheet his fat showed out the back. That was me on my 614 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,400 couch. So I literally closed my phone and didn't didn't look at it. 615 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,599 And then the next day I went back and so it in total, it 616 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,159 was something like seventy three points I'd left on my bench that Saturday night, 617 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:54,039 And that dovetails us perfectly into kind of how this story will end a little 618 00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:59,360 bit. And you're sixteen points behind Tom trom there in that week, so 619 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,840 certainly that have made all of the difference, and we have ended up here 620 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,599 at the end of the relegation playoffs with a bit of an interesting situation, 621 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:14,079 but a clear one in that it will be Tomtron who stays in Lord Stanley 622 00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:19,000 next season, with the other three managers yourself included, being relegated. So 623 00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,719 take us through a little bit of that tie break, and I think we'll 624 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,840 invite Victor and Jesse in here to comment as well on the kind of promotion 625 00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,360 relegation aspect here. But take us through the tie break here and some of 626 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,639 the things we have to consider coming out of this consolation playoff. So the 627 00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,599 tie break right now is still not decided. Right my matchup I should come 628 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:45,199 out on top today, so there is still the off chance that between Tom 629 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,480 Tron, Foggy and myself we could all be tied at two and one. 630 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,480 So our head to head matchups in the playoffs don't solve anything, so we 631 00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:58,639 go to our regular season head to head. It's unfortunate. I thought about 632 00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,639 it, and ivis go I have been around for some of those matchups, 633 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,400 but it is what it is. So Tom is definitely going to move on, 634 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,280 but Foggy and I still have a bit to settle today, and that 635 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,519 is the second or third seed in the relegation round. There is a little 636 00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:17,719 bit on the line as far as where we could end up for next year. 637 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,840 Yeah, So this relegation just so everyone is clear. As we was 638 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,360 mentioned, four teams go into the round robin, one survives, the other 639 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,400 three go down. But there's a gradient there in terms of how they go 640 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,480 down. The team with the worst record goes down the fast track, which 641 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:44,119 could be as low as all the way down to Lidstrom, which is Tier 642 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,239 four. It depends on where the fast track winner kim comes from, and 643 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,480 in this case it actually came from Tier two Lemieux, And that's not such 644 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,920 a bad outcome for being relegated. You're only going down one division and then 645 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,880 the other two. The team that finishes next to last and third to last 646 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,320 will go to one of those two tier divisions. One will go to Gretzky, 647 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,559 one will go to the MEW and the team with the best record and 648 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,760 the tiebreakers basically gets to choose where they go, and the other one goes 649 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,400 to the other division. So there's a bit of an interesting choice here and 650 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,719 a unique situation since we have two teams being promoted from one division that's Lemieux 651 00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:30,360 and only one from Gretzki, and there's those teams will have their team dispersed 652 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,280 back into the free agent pool that the players coming into have to choose from. 653 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,599 But there's also a team going down from that division. So essentially there's 654 00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:45,119 three teams worth of players available in the MEU and two teams worth of players 655 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:50,280 in Gretzki, So there's a bit more options, I would say in the 656 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,280 Lemieux division. Of course, you're gonna have two other gms picking as well, 657 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,880 so it's not like you're gonna get all the options, but there might 658 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,360 be more choices, and there's more potential that you could make better choices and 659 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,079 make a better team out of those options. So even though you came from 660 00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,000 Gratzki, I think it might make more sense to choose if you have the 661 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:12,800 option if you end up winning the tiebreaker against Foggy, to choose to go 662 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,760 to Lemieux. Is that the way that you're leaning him. That's one hundred 663 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,960 percent the way I'm leaning. I had originally thought about if it's me who 664 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,239 gets to choose Gretzky, because I'm familiar with the managers. But I do 665 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,679 agree with you in that if there's two team spreen from, there might be 666 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,320 just a little bit more to choose from. Begins a new chapter as far 667 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,559 as my my Tidy experience, So this is going to be a new one, 668 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,039 and so having more players to choose from, I think is definitely beneficial. 669 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,840 You can you can come on into Lemieux. We're ready for you, 670 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,000 Tim, We're ready for you. I'm a multi time resident of Lemieux and 671 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,360 we're we've got a pretty good thing going there and we'll look forward to to 672 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,119 getting you in and competing with you. Man. I wanted to just zoom 673 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,760 out for just a second and just a general comment because I don't want to 674 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,880 lose the fact this is our second year in this tidy dynasty, but it's 675 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,039 also the first time that we've had relegation as part of it. And listening 676 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,119 to Tim talk has really got me thinking about all the different strategies that a 677 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:21,320 tiered dynasty league is creating. Because obviously all the incentive for Tim at this 678 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,039 point was to hang on for dear life in that top tier. That was 679 00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:29,159 the rational move. That was correctly what he should do, because it doesn't 680 00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,079 matter what you do if you can't hang on in that you're going to get 681 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,880 a brand new team anyway, It made perfect sense what your strategy was. 682 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,199 It makes me wonder what sorts of secondary effects we're going to see in these 683 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,719 leagues going forward. For example, it makes me think that the upper tier 684 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,480 and the lower tier are going to be building go for it teams. Similarly, 685 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,119 now the upper tier, the top few teams that make the playoffs are 686 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:04,119 in much better position to have great win now teams, But the bottom teams 687 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,000 have to be win now too, which makes me think it possibly that what 688 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,639 we're going to see in the future is that the mid tier teams are going 689 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,800 to be the ones that can afford to invest in prospects. I wonder if 690 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,800 we'll see more and more of the top prospects end up clustering into those middle 691 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,840 tier teams and the lower tier teams, at least the ones that don't get 692 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,199 relegated. They're going to get top picks, they're going to get top players 693 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,599 in the draft, but they're also going to have to deal with not falling 694 00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:37,800 off the ledge as the next season comes along. So I'm wondering I'm making 695 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,559 my stake here to think I wonder whether we will see a lot of the 696 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:46,159 best prospects cluster into those middle of the division teams that can really afford. 697 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,800 They've got enough confidence they can hang around for now, but they're also building 698 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,719 for the future. Yeah, and I think from my perspective as a team 699 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,039 who pushed my chips in, it happened to work out, but for a 700 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,840 lot of us that it didn't. And I think that you can clearly see. 701 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,440 I just think back to the trade that I made with Caprice Sons Simon, 702 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:15,639 and it was very clearly he got Mattave Mitchkoff, which even if he 703 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:22,159 doesn't stick around to wait and see if that materializes a he's a fantastic asset 704 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,480 there. There might not be too many better assets for those middle tier teams. 705 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,320 So I think it is going to create an interesting market. You're right, 706 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,480 It's like the top and the bottom are gonna maybe go for those players 707 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,679 that can help now as opposed to just the top, which I think creates 708 00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:40,079 a really fun dynamic. And yeah, I'm really I'm interested to see how 709 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:44,039 it works out. The first year we had a lot more promotion. Now 710 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,400 we're making it a little bit more difficult to get promoted. And then we 711 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,000 also have relegation, which there's more relegation out of Lord Stanley than there is 712 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,679 any other division. Which I think should make sense. It's harder to get 713 00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:58,719 there, it's harder to stay there, and then the other divisions just have 714 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,159 kind of the one up one day plus the omni track. So it's a 715 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,639 little bit a little bit safer in that fat middle for the other divisions, 716 00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:10,440 but not so much in Lord Stanley. Another secondary effect here that Jesse has 717 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,199 just gotten me thinking about here on the law of unintended consequences is I think 718 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,960 once we reopen trading that we're gonna maybe see a huge amount of activity from 719 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,079 our teams before the summertime draft and before we get into the next season. 720 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,199 I think you might end up seeing perhaps some of these teams that sold it 721 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,360 all for bigger pieces to help them win in the playoffs might have to take 722 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,360 that evaluation and take a step back as well. So what do you guys 723 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,440 think about that as an unintended consequence of our particular promotion and relegation strategy. 724 00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:52,559 Yeah, and you're gonna have to decide how much can you risk going for 725 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,239 those future based pieces. How much do you dare weaken your team, especially 726 00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,719 in that top division where you're up against such savvy managers and the majority of 727 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,719 the team is going to be doing some version of going for it on a 728 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,360 yearly basis, assuming that the top teams will not just get conservative if they 729 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,679 make the playoffs, but will still push hard to get that overall championship, 730 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,800 even if it means that they don't go anywhere. They're going to unlike everybody 731 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,679 else, They're going to hang on to that team if they win it. 732 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,599 But yeah, it really will be interesting to see what happens when some of 733 00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:30,480 these Anything that instigates and moves on trades is a good thing in a dynasty 734 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,639 like this. So I really like it. Victory, you had something to 735 00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:39,440 say, Yeah, I think this is I hope people found some of this 736 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,920 discussion really interesting. I think the idea of coming into a team, doing 737 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,599 a quick evaluation and really having a clear idea of who can go, who 738 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,760 can stay, looking at the schedule, looking at your record, what you 739 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,199 have to do, I think those are really good lessons no matter what, 740 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,280 and really taking stock of your team. And I really appreciate that you did 741 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,880 that. Tim. I think that we'll never know if you had stayed in 742 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,599 Gretzky, whether you would have your team would have kept on rolling and rolled 743 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:14,199 all the way to Lord Stanley. I did want to mention that plason craftser 744 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,719 as we talked about a couple of times, his team was really good. 745 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,000 I managed to eke out a win against him, but we had another GM 746 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,519 and Lord Stanley decide they were stepping down, So he's actually going to take 747 00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:30,480 that spot, which is a little weird because I know, Tim, if 748 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,639 we had if you had not taken the spot that you currently took and gone 749 00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,840 through this process, you probably would have been that person who got the spot. 750 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,239 But we would have never known. We didn't know that this other person 751 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,360 was going to step down. It is what it is. It'll be fun 752 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,440 to see Crafts are up there, and it'll be fun to see you competing 753 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,320 in Lemieux. I wonder if you have any regrets for the choice that you 754 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,719 made and what ended up happening in terms of the general outcome. No, 755 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,079 definitely no regrets. It was a blast from start to finish. It was 756 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:07,000 It definitely got the heart rate going and I wouldn't have done it any other 757 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,239 way. Happy for the experience. I want to thank you guys for thinking 758 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:15,000 of me for that experience, and again I'll take away some lessons learned through 759 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:19,239 it and We'll try to do a good job and work our way through the 760 00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,800 LEMU division if that's where it goes. And congratulations to Crafters. He's, 761 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:28,039 like we said, a great GM. He'll do well up there. Tim. 762 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,159 We have you to thank not only for stepping into the breach and helping 763 00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:36,079 us in our time of need taking over this team, but for providing such 764 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:37,960 great insights for us today. I know that I learned a lot. I'm 765 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,119 sure that our FHL managers will learn a lot, and I'm wishing you the 766 00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:46,559 best of luck as you take on, perhaps Jesse severe in the next season 767 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,280 of the Tidy. And if I may offer this, it's a tidy end 768 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,599 to a tidy takes. Thanks so much for joining us today, Tim, 769 00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:08,519 and for everyone for listening. You know, as long as I got you 770 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:13,760 here, a couple of things I was gonna mention. 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