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I'm Casey Tanner and I'm Camille Lewis. And this is safe word. Safe

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word is sex therapy unhinged because instead
of getting a blank slate that's just here

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to support you, we're telling you
the details on our own sex lives,

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relationships, identities, and more.
This isn't sex and it's not therapy,

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but we are a sex therapists and
what you hear today may excite you.

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Each week we tackle a thing related
to sex, relationships, gender, and

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more. This week we're diving into
bisexuality. M M, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, Kamil, you're bisexual.
I am represent this is my playground.

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I'm really excited to talk about this
with you. I'm excited to learn

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about this part of you. I
feel like we don't always talk about you

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in terms of your bisexuality. I
think because we're just close and don't have

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to talk about it that way.
But I'm excited to hear about this part

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of you. Me too, And
I'm excited to hear about your bisexual era.

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I did. I had a whole
bisexual era that I do want to

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talk about because I think a lot
of people have had a bisexual era.

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But I also think that that can
be used against the bisexual community to invalidate

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by identities. So yeah, let's
talk today about how both can be true.

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First, I don't know what mood
I'm in today, but it is

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more unhinged than usual. And so
I wanted to tell you about this text

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exchange I had with this guy.
Give it to me, Okay, I'm

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gonna pull it up so that I
get it right. So basically, he

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was sending me some pictures he's doing
like a press run and he has this

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picture with this really giant Teddy Bear
and I was like, bring me this.

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Then he sent little gifts of that
teddy Bear and then he said,

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would you ever wear one of these
with your partner? And I said,

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like for Halloween or on some furry
shit could be home for Halloween. Obviously

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not for Halloween. I don't know. I like, I don't, I

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don't. I'm trying to clarify.
And then he was like furry shit.

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Before I could even answer, he
goes, but I already know the answer.

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Of course you would, And I
was like, oh, you just

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look like somebody who would wear a
Teddy Bear outfit exactly. And I was

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just like yeah, like I just
run that's a compliment, I know.

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I was like, am I giving? Like I would try anything because I

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feel like that is true. You're
giving exactly who you are. I was

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like, hmm, how should I
feel about this? But then I was

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like, yeah, like bring it
up. Yes, so that and now

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my friends keep sending me Teddy Bear
mojis and things, so y'all will be

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the first to know I ever get
it pop in furry style. Yeah,

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please bring this back. Well,
I'm really missing you right now because and

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the listeners need to know that we
just spent a week together and it was

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so sweet. It was so amazing. It feels like it happened so quickly.

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I feel like it was a week, but it was so fast.

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Yeah, and I miss you and
I miss that house and just like playing

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in the water with our like water
sign energy, just splashing about next trip

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soon. Okay, Now for what
we're actually here for. Oh yeah,

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bisexuality. Wooo. Well. I
feel like for me, bisexual is the

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identity that really fits with me right
now, and also when I think about

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the history of my life and attraction, it fits the best for me.

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Like should I not say names of
elementary school crushes? I just remember in

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elementary school, this girl, her
name is Jasmine, that could be anybody,

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and she was just like so hot
to me, Like she was really

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dark skinned and she had like this
thick hair, always be an oppressed as

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she was kind of mask. I
loved her, I really did, and

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I was like, I don't know
what this is. I never really had

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like conversations about sexuality. I'd think
that that would be pretty rare thirty years

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ago, however old I am.
But then I also remember these two really

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intense crushes, so it was Jasmine
and Darren. When I think about what

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attraction has meant for me historically,
the first type of porn that I ever

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watched was strictly lesbian porn when I
would like stay up late and my aunties

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and cousins houses and like they had
all the channels and all the HBO stuff

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after dark. I feel like,
actually, more recently, I have stepped

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into naming bisexuality as like my identity
because I did feel which I think a

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lot of folks feel, as queer
imposter syndrome. What does this mean about

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my dating history? What does it
mean that I've primarily been in relationships with

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men? Do I feel like this
is enough when I know so deeply my

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relationships with women, in my attraction
to women is a really big part of

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who I am and how I see
sex and sexuality. And it's so interesting

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because it's part of I guess my
coming out story where my parents and I

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are really close and my mom was
like, so on your new website it

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says bisexual does and we're close,
but it's in the way of not sharing

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every intimate detail about dating and sex. It's like I didn't tell you because

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you wouldn't care. Right. My
dad has known best friends of mine for

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decades and feels like, how is
your friend? Uh? Never has called

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any other people I've dated by their
name, said the word boyfriend, said

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the word partner right there. It's
not actually like they're microaggressing you or your

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partners. It's just that this is
what closeness looks like for you. All.

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Yeah, And I feel like that's
like a black thing too, Like

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black family is like how I was
your little friend? Us their name and

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I'm like, you know, right, there are names. I used to

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date a guy named Michael. My
dad's name is Michael. You know his

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name? You know his name.
It's a power moves it is, and

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it's just like we just we don't
do all of that. Yeah, no,

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I think that makes sense. That's
my vibe. Shout out to Jasmine

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and Darren. I hope y'all are
doing well. I'm dead. When I

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think about my bisexual era, which
I've never called it that before, but

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I'm really loving it right now.
Well, first, I think about how

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much pressure there is as a queer
person, probably any person, to have

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like a cohesive narrative about your sexuality. And I think I really wanted that

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at first, and I was like, okay, so I so I was

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acting straight, and then I thought
maybe I also like women. So I

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started dating men and women. I
thought I still liked men. Then I

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realized I only like women. So
now I'm a lesbian and that for you

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know, in my maybe ten years
ago, that felt like a cohesive narrative

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that was easy for people to understand, and probably you know, it makes

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sense that I wanted that people were
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I wanted something simple. I think
that's okay, But I love that now

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that I have more queer confidence,
there's more room for nuance in that narrative

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that you know, probably I was
bisexual, Like I think that's actually just

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accurate. I wasn't faking my relationships
with men during that time in my life.

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I was exploring both, and ultimately
things shifted, and I've lately felt

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like dating men hasn't been feeling as
aligned for me. But I definitely had

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a bisexual era. And the most
epic moment of that era I can think

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of is when I was a senior
in college. I had kind of been

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seeing this man, I'd kind of
been seeing this woman. I was interested

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in both, like your situation,
except for as an adult, and I

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went to this improv show in Chicago, lots of big improv scene in Chicago.

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I was an obnoxious theater kid,
so and they're like, does anyone

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want to come on stage and tell
us about, you know, about their

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day. I was like, me, me, me, me MEI so

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that called me up. I told
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between these two people with two differ
French genders, and then they proceeded to

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act out dream sequence based off of
my bisexuality. That was a zombie apocalypse

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where on one side of the stage
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of the stage was a woman zombie
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That was, to me, the
best representation of my bisexuality. I

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love that. I feel like I
really relate what you said about having a

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narrative around your sexuality because I feel
like even when I was talking, I

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was like, how do I make
this make sense? Right? Then?

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How do I like share this and
how do I make this so that people

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will resonate with it when it's like
it's not even something that I fully have

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like beautiful, artsy language around And
I think that sometimes there can be pressure

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for that. I think that's maybe
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marginalized identities. Is like I have
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whether or not that's authentic for me. But yeah, like, why

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can't we just be messy? Part
of what I was thinking as I was

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sharing is how do I talk about
this without reinforcing the myth that bisexuality is

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a phase? Yeah? Yeah,
because that's why I loved the word era

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that you used, because phase,
to me, is this invalidating word that

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says this is transient, potentially something
you choose something to quote unquote grow out

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of but era is like, this
is what's authentic, and I'm open to

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what's authentic acts whether it's this or
something else. I love that language.

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When I was in middle school,
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Gia. I'm just referencing to all
the people. She was out as bisexual,

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and I was like mesmerized by this
girl. I probably had a crush

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on her. But I think everybody
lay up the phase part of it,

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or like a gateway into straight this
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from a stereotypical perspective, bisexuality for
women has been talked about is like this

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is just a phase until you're straight, and for men, this is a

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just a phase until you're until you're
a gay are queer. So I think

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that that is something that comes up
too well, which is actually, if

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you think about it, just misogyny
either way. At the end of the

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day, you're just attracted to men
for bot right period. All right,

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let's get at these questions. Yeah, let's do it. Does bisexuality usually

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develop after sexual trauma were distrussed with
the opposite sex. I hear these sorts

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of questions about trauma related sexuality or
trauma related curiosities, kinks, BDSM,

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queerness. It's hard to kind of
talk about. On the one end,

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it's like, no, this doesn't
happen as a result of trauma, but

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it also could be It could happen
as a result of trauma and be like,

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I had really fucked up experiences with
this type of person, and I

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want to do everything that I can
to avoid it. And I think that

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that can be incredibly adaptive and liberating. I agree. Potentially somebody has like

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a natural proclivity to being attracted to
multiple genders. Maybe they then have a

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traumatic experience with one gender and they
hadn't really taken the time to consider what

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it would be like to explore something
with another gender before, but now they

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are. Maybe the trauma is opening
the door to that exploration. It's not

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that the queerness wasn't there before,
but I think because of compulsive heteronormativity,

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we're socialized not to think about it. But maybe the trauma makes you think

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about it, and maybe that's what
opens the door to exploring it. Trauma

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doesn't make you queer, but potentially
it opens the door to exploration that maybe

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wouldn't have happened had the trauma not
occurred. And that's true with sexuality after

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trauma. That's true with life after
trauma. Right. It opens all sorts

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of doors to explore things we've hadn't
before. And I also think if other

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people are telling you that this is
what's true, then to me, that's

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just homophobia internalized by phobia purity culture
at its finest right. People would love

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to pathologize queerness and bisexuality and make
it about something bad happened to you.

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My parents did the same thing when
I came out, and that is just

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invalidating. That is nobody's story to
make up and tell. If that's your

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narrative, okay, but that's no
one else's to project onto you say that.

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Our next question is asking about balancing
straight privilege and by visibility within straight

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hit partnership. Any thoughts on this. Yeah, So, first off,

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if you're buy, you're not in
a straight hit partnership unless for some reason

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that's the language that feels good to
you. You might be in a partnership

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that gets perceived as heterosexual a lot. And yeah, I think the word

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balance is key. It is about
holding both of those things. It's true,

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it is true that invisibility is extremely
real and it's extremely painful. It

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has immense negative mental health outcomes associated
with it. It's also true that being

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in a relationship perceived as a straight
relationship can come with its privileges, and

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I think that one doesn't negate the
other. They're both true. Does mean

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that there is more thoughtfulness that might
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I think every single queer person,
regardless of what kind of relationship they're in,

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should be extremely thoughtful about their positionality
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just by people in hit relationships,
but me maybe going into queer spaces that

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are made for black and brown people. Right. There's so many any ways

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that we should be thoughtful, and
it's not silo to buy people in the

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relationship that you're describing. I mean, I just simply agree. We're going

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to take a quick break to talk
about an amazing new show. Come as

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you are. If you recognize that
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amazing Emily Nagaski as your host.
This is a book that actually was just

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my sex bible for the first many
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getting to know who I am It's
a book I reference so many times when

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I'm teaching clients about things like desire, arousal, non concordance. Completely changed

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my life, and I imagine this
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and beyond. How do some bisexual
people manage grief and expression in monogamous hat

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relationships similar vibe managing grief? A
big part of it, at least for

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me and my personal experience, is
acknowledging it with my partner and naming it

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as grief, because sometimes it's just
like, why do I maybe feel this

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dysregulation in my body? Why am
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Like I think A part of it
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what are the conversations that you're having
that can validate and make your bisexuality

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visible and to name that you're mourning
it and having a partner that holds space

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for that grief as not a rejection
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your process. And I think that
that's really important. I've been in relationships

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that were damaging my sexuality and understanding
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and telling my sis het boyfriend like, yeah, I'm bisexual and like being

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like yeah, like I've said that, I've talked about threesomes that I've had,

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I've talked about dating women, hooking
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something that he knew. But when
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you're not, and I was just
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I am, And he just like
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think that in that moment, like
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here, I am having told you
about like you've known this information about

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me, but when I say this
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and a partner who can hold space
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and so that when you grieve and
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space and also acknowledge the different ways
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the context of this relationship, and
there's ways to get creative around that.

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Yeah, I completely agree sexuality is
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might be, you know, a
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about attraction Because it could be really
it could be really stifling if you,

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let's see, you walk down the
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gender that you find really, really
hot. Do you feel permission to still

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be within that part of view and
to talk about that and to say that,

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because that could be incredibly freeing.
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that grief within monogamy is something that
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it or not, or whether they
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I'm obsessed with my partner, as
you all know, and I still

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have grief as we get more and
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energy stage again. And just because
I'm not having grief about no longer dating

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a particular gender doesn't mean that I
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particular orientation to sex, or dating
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to monogamy in a lot of ways. Yeah, And I really love how

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you frame that too, because I
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with monogamy that it's like, once
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it and you've made it like you've
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it's like that's so mythical because there
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only way to be in relationship or
partnership, That isn't the only way to

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love, That isn't the only way
to fuck, right. Because it's also

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this like huge invalidation that we use
against buy folks by saying like you're you're

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a flight risk. You're flight risk
because you're always going to be missing what

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you don't have, and it's like, okay, well, we're all fucking

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flight risks. Then, because we're
all we're all losing something when we choose

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something else. That's just always going
to be the case. Let's get into

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this next question. Is it possible
to be sexually attracted to women and romantically

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attracted to men? Yes, of
course it is. Attraction is multidimensional.

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There's all sorts of ways we can
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we should expect ourselves to be attracted
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way that we're attracted to anyone else. I would probably describe myself in a

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similar way. I think I am
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probably in a lot of ways,
because I was socialized to think about romanticism

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as this interaction between masculinity and femininity, and I think that's, you know,

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somewhat ingrained. But I'm not sexually
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is more common than not. I've
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I can anticipate like what the comments
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going to say this, like caveat
right here is do you think that there

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are some cases where people are saying
I'm sexually attracted to women but otherwise attracted

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to men, where it maybe is
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like just just asking yourself the question, because I do think that our

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culture sexualizes women romanticizes men, and
so it's just worth interrogating that part of

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yourself. And if you still land
on that being true for you, great.

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Is it fairer to have different dating
standards for different genders? Camille?

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This is perfect for you. It's
so funny. We're together last week,

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we're talking about we were talking about
this at dinner with mel Right, yeah,

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I think sure, And I think
the interrogation of the self that you

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mentioned is necessary here. I think
I'm gonna put words in your mouth.

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But when I date women, know, there's a lot of flexibility around X

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y Z. When I date men, they have to be rich. Yeah,

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right, Like that's a different aspectation
too much. No, no,

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no, no, no, I
mean the people should know that is definitely

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my standard for dating men. But
then I also have a lot of flexibility

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with what type of men. I
used to be very predictable. I wanted

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really tall, really tall rich guy
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Your type has totally changed for women. It's like all over the board.

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Bet from the L word is still
my old limmate ultimate in every way.

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I think maybe it's worth us taking
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least, like my stark belief,
is that being bisexual does not mean that

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you believe that gender is a binary, and so we can also talk about

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how maybe you have romantic attraction to
men and sexual attracted to women, but

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both with non binary people such a
range of genders and such a range of

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gender expressions. I think that the
large majority of the time by folks are

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incredibly affirming of trans non binary identities. And it's sort of a myth that

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buy and bisexual is in reference to
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more like I'm attracted to my gender, I'm attracted to other genders. Next

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question, what are your thoughts on
having sex with men? It's a lesbian.

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This person says that they feel dirty
for wanting it. Well, this

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brings me back to the first time
I was almost canceled, which is when

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I said it was okay to be
a lesbian that sometimes has sex with men,

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and Instagram came after me and I
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talking about my own experience, and
I had so many comments being like,

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you're not really a lesbian. I
completely disagree with that. Your sexual orientation

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is an identity, it's an internal
sense of self. It is not behavior.

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There are people who are queer their
entire lives and never have sex with

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somebody of the same gender, and
it doesn't make them any less queer.

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So we'll get that out of the
way. Now, why might this be

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the case? I don't know.
For you, I can talk about why

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it could be the case for me. Why I still sometimes fantasize about sex

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with men, even as a lesbian. Sometimes I just want a really outward

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expression of arousal that almost nothing can
mirror, like a hard penis for me,

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right, Like that might be a
reason sometimes when I'm in between relationships

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with women, I need a palate
cleanser, you know, just a little

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palate cleanser. Or maybe I just
want something that feels easy, and honestly,

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I find that pleasing men's sexually is
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that we can't generalize, but that's
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some reasons why I'd be curious about
other people's reasons why. I mean,

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I love what you're saying about sexuality
not being behavior. Your identity gets to

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be yours. You get to decide, You get to decide what language is

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most salient for you, makes the
most sense for you, and land's the

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best for you. Wanting to have
sex with men I think can come from

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really rigid ideas of these identities also
in the queer community, in the lesbian

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community, like I think maybe you
feel dirty for wanting this because there's been

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language around what it means for lesbians
to want this, what it means potentially,

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I think that this could be like
the like biphobia part of it too,

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of like oh, you just can't
pick a lane, and like then

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you're unreliable, than you're a flight
risk, than you're all of these things,

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which is just really just like I
just I get horny like everybody or

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like most people, and I sometimes
want to think about having sex with this

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type of person because it's intriguing to
me, because it feels familiar to me,

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because it evokes something in me.
There's also that a harmful myth that

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by people are more likely to spread
STIs, which is just not true the

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connection that our culture makes between STIs
and dirtiness. I wonder if there's something

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to that too here, How is
it experienced differently among genders because of gender

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stereotypes? And I assume that it
they mean bisexuality? Okay, I think

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the internalized misogyny that you talked about
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to experiment. I wonder too if
it's not just different experiences depending on gender,

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but also maybe even depending on gender
expression. This is something heard from

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some of my beautiful by friends when
they are thinking about the way that they're

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perceived in the world depending on who
they're with at the time, also the

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way that they express themselves and the
way that people perceive them based on the

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intersection of their gender expression and their
bisexuality. Yeah, there are a lot

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of individual differences and differences across gender. Yeah. Good point. Okay,

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So our next question says, what
about dealing with home of other parents who

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accept their queer identity but are relieved
that this person is dating a man.

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I've seen all kinds of flavors of
this with clients. It's like, except

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my queer identity. Now they're relieved
I'm dating a man. When I was

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in my bisexual era, I started
dating a feminine man, and my mom's

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like, this just makes so much
sense. You're getting both at the same

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time, and I'm like, you're
kind of onto something. But the fact

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that you're the one who said it
makes me hate it. It's giving Laura,

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La and Emily I've also heard I
did all this work to come out

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as queer. My family repped their
heads around. Now I'm dating a man,

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and my family is like, oh, I guess it was a phase

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all along, right, Because it's
like families really not understanding the difference between

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behavior and sexual orientation, and maybe
that's the conversation that you can have with

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them, is trying to help them
understand that difference. It's something that I

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only started to understand two years ago, so I'm guessing my six year old

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mother probably doesn't understand and deserves a
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be a conversation that you have.
The relief part is really hard because how

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you change those feelings, you may
never change those feelings. They may always

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be relieved that you are in a
relationship that's perceived by them or extended family

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or their friends as straight, and
that dissonance can be really disconnective. And

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so that might even be something you
say, like I'm talking to my mom

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right now. Mom, you might
be relieved about this, and like that's

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your prerogative based off your belief system, but expressions of that relief or like

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demonstrating that in front of me really
makes me feel disconnected from you, because

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that is not how I feel in
this relationship. So fine, you're going

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to feel what you're going to feel, but know that that's going to that's

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going to disconnect us if that's the
way that you talk about it with me.

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It's like the relief that feels insidious, Like then you can conternalize it.

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They are experiencing relief because now they
are perceiving me as straight. What

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does that mean about me? You
get to have an identity that feels salient

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and important and captures you regardless of
who you are dating. Yeah, and

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you may be feeling, you know, anything but relief, right Like they

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might be feeling relief and you might
be feeling really scared about what this means

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about queer spaces or how other people
are going to perceive you. And that

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also brings up some of the grief
components, right, It is like you

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also get to grieve that you don't
have control over how other people perceive you,

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but it doesn't make things any less
valid. You're on fire today.

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Case, thanks Camille cute. Maybe
if we could do a little wrap up

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with some love for by folks,
some strengths and resiliencies of by folks,

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some little podcast aftercare, if you
will. Yeah. I love the way

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that my bye friends hold so much
nuance in the way that they express their

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gender and sexuality. I love watching
them develop more confidence as they lean into

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their bisexual identity because what may have
at one point been contingent on acting a

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certain way or dating a certain person
now isn't. And seeing that confidence in

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their ability to just know who they
are. Yeah, all that is so

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sweet And I agree. And I'm
extending the same love to myself and by

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community and friends, and I do
posts on Instagram about bisexuality and I really

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like to see their resonance that it
is creating wrong, like the people in

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the comments, So anybody in this
community who is holding space for themselves and

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getting more and more permission to feel
more confident. I love you, and

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I think that is really wonderful that
we get to be this and honor this

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in ourselves. And just as a
reminder that like what you experience about fantasy,

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what you do in your dating life, any of that is always it's

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always okay, pretty much, it's
always okay, and it doesn't make you

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anymore or less buy and you can
be by for as long as you want,

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and maybe that's forever, and maybe
you just have a powerful By Eeralight

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