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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
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And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James

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Bubo Fay, Good day, Bobo. How you doing, sir? All

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right? How's going up there?
Oh it's it's been a heck of a

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week, man, it's been a
heck of a week. The weather hit.

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I think it's hit pretty much everywhere, the crawl across the country.

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But you know, I live out
in the woods and last weekend, you

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know you've been to my house.
I've got a one mile long dead end

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dirt road that I live on.
I think six trees dropped across the road

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over the weekend. On Friday and
Saturday. The wind was howling, you

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know. I mean it was sustain
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five, so we had like fifty
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And the temperature was twelve so everything
was frozen, which and that dropped

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a lot of trees. Six trees
over the road and just countless others in

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the woods on either side. One
of the trees was well over one hundred

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feet tall. Well, it was
tall at one time, till it fell,

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that it was, And so I
spent nine am too dark or so

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on Sunday with my neighbors clearing that
tree because it dropped on the road.

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Like almost the entire length of the
tree was on the road. So that

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took a lot of effort. What
about your existence, What are you doing?

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Well? I got home last night
from down south. Did you drive

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straight through or did you take a
break somewhere? I took a break down

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by Santa Cruz. Oh that's cool, good man good. I slept for

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about three or four hours, and
I stopped and seeing my buddy web down

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there at Half Moon Bay, and
then shot up that night and got back

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about three thirty in the morning something
like that. Nice. Well it's kind

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of late, but otherwise it's but
it's nice to be home. Oh dude.

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Plus, I skipped traffic because there's
all those storms and like just traffic

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jams everywhere, and so I just
drove in the middle of the night.

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But it was still sketchy, storms, super hard. I was going through

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San Francisco. And then when I
crossed the Golden Gate. They're redoing the

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bridge, and like all the lanes, like in the lanes coming up to

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it on the one oh one,
there was no It was all blacktop and

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there was all these different like old
lines like you could I mean, there

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was no reflectors or no painted lines. It was just black pouring down rain

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like dumping, and then cars just
flying all over the well. The people

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were slowing down but you couldn't tell
the lane was what it was. It

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was white knuckle for sure. But
yeah, school, so I'm back now.

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And then there was just a sighting
right where I've been going up outside

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of Fieldbrook, which is just outside
of your Garcada area on the coast.

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It's the first little valley behind McKinley
be lotching the airport there trin southeast of

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Trinidad. And my buddy saw one
it was. It jumped down, It

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jumped twenty feet into a ravine and
kept running when it landed. Wow it

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was. And then when the backtrack
there was a dead dough there with a

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broke neck, I guess, And
where it was was right by this Uh

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when I think she baby sits too, but she has for sure, like

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three three kids, like probably from
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think she had. I think she's
watched a couple of other kids there too.

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And that's where it was. Hanging
out on this private dirt road with

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like you know, maybe like half
dozen houses on It goes a couple of

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miles. It might be worth walking
on that road. Man. They keep

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going back to the same spots from
mikepers Yeah, he took off. He

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took off out of town for a
couple of weeks, like two days ago

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before I came back. And I'm
gonna gout there with another guy. We're

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gonna go look, go check it
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Nice man, that's nice. You
see if you can take some pictures

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of that broken neck deer the kind
of Yeah, yeah, for sure,

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nice man, that's cool. Yeah. Well, I think we got a

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question and answer episode, right,
or just doing another one of them.

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There are things we do is the
Q and a episode once a month,

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and this is it. And of
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our listeners. By you. Yes, I'm pointing at you, listener.

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You are the people who ask us
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contact button and you can either leave
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really enjoy of course, and I
think people like to hear themselves on the

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radio too with it and hear all
of our friends out there. Or you

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can type up a question for us
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we'll do that for the next hour
or so, and then we will go

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to the member section. Because Big
Fan to Beyond has a membership thing on

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Patreon. For five bucks a month, you get about, I don't know,

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an extra forty five minutes or an
hour every single week. If just

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in case you can't get enough of
Cliff and bobes, there's a little bit

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more out there for you. And
we do special members only Q and A

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where Bobo and I put on our
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from our members. So, mister
Matt Prude, who also I think has

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a is a cold right now,
but not COVID. He has a cold

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right now, mister Matt Prue,
would you mind queuing up the first voicemail

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for us? Please? Hey,
there, guys, is Mike. How

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are you guys all doing today?
Bobo, good, Cliff Matt just wanted

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chicken with you guys, saying that
I had a BFO expedition and actually had

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some interesting stuff happen. On the
first day, I had a rock thrown

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at me land right next to me
a lot most some people heard it from

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who were a little bit away.
Later on, I had a would knock

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that I did had would not reply
back, and then just for the hell

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of it, did one more time
and I had kind of like a oh

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kind of reply. We were up
on a hill and it happened down like

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the little valley that it was in. So had some interesting stuff there,

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had some like some like whoo woo's
one night and I didn't hear it in

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person, but I heard the recording
of someone having a really hard like hard

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wood knock, and so it was
pretty interesting. So I can say it

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was a very exciting trip. And
I don't know they I'll tell you guys

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about more about it one day,
but the one to give you guys a

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heads up on what my adventures have
been like. Love you guys, love

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the podcast. Keep a squatchy,
Michael Matt, You know, I love

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that you answered the recording Bobes.
That's so that's adorable. I know,

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you're way more polite than anybody would
ever imagine. Where he asked. You

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know, you actually answered a question
even though it was recording. That's just

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adorable. Sound it really did.
I was there with you, and I

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said, oh shoot, I didn't
say anything that I realized. Oh wait,

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it's a recording. Typical behavior,
I know, typical rude cliff.

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Oh, I know, I'm I'm
terrible, but you're adorable. I just

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wanted to put that out there.
And uh, yeah, so you got

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hit by a rock. I hope
Moneymaker didn't throw it too hard at you.

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He didn't tell us where it was. You listen to Jersey or Pennsylvania?

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Oh really if it was yeah,
who knows? Who knows? Yeah?

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Do you got answers on a knock
thing? That's cool? Yeah.

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The bfr O trips that you know, for people who haven't been on a

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bfro O trip, I got to
say, they're they're they're worth it.

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That you learn some techniques and you
know, they get your you get your

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feet wet and the bigfoot research stuff
bfro style. But really, to me,

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at least, the most valuable thing
about the bfro O trips is hooking

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up with like minded individuals that you
that you want to go to the woods

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with probably later, and you know, focus on the big foot thing.

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I think that that's really valuable.
What are your thoughts on the BFRO trips,

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Bobs, I tell you all the
time, like they're I think they're

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worth it, you know, like, look at a three hundred bucks and

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I'm like, you know, if
you go fishing, you're gonna pay.

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You know, you go for a
weekend fishing, you got a guide.

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Every day you're paying you know,
two fifty a day or whatever. Yeah,

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I mean it's like I think it's
a good deal, you know,

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and you will get turned a good
spots. You'll you'll meet some cool people

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and you could you really could have
an encounter. Yeah. Yeah, they're

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they're very successful. You know,
they're very successful. And like anything else,

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when a lot of people show up, you know, maybe there's ten

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or twenty people there, p you
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see who resonates with you best.
You know. Yeah, because when the

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public gets involved, you know,
it gets a little weird sometimes, but

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generally speaking, there's always good people
on those events. And mind you,

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Bobo and I are not BFRO members
with them. Matt doesn't know we're talking

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about it right now, he's not
asking us to do. So these are

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our real opinions about these events.
People come to me and ask me like,

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do you guys take people out in
the woods, And I go,

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no, No, not at all. But Matt does. And I always

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recommend the BFRO trips, you know, because Matt's not on most of those.

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Mind you, Matt's on a couple
of them. If you're lucky though,

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Oh yeah, if you're lucky,
Yeah, because Matt's solid in the

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woods. And I've said it before, I don't know of anybody better at

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finding where a sasquatch might be than
that guy. You know, you give

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him Google Earth is signing to database
in about an hour, and he's going

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to put you on the place where
you're more than likely, well more likely

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than a rant than to run across
the sasquatch, you know for sure.

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Yeah, he's very good at what
he does. In fact, I think

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the Finding Bigfoot show I never did
like that name very much, but it

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does work when Matt is there because
Matt is what Matt is very very good

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at. Yeah. But anyway,
yeah, Mike, thanks not so much

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a question, but thanks for the
comment. We do appreciate that. And

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you know we're not against comments.
If you guys want to send comments into

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us instead of questions, more than
happy to listen to him. Anyway.

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Let's let's why don't we keep the
second one? Hey, guys, this

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is Pete, Southwest Missouri. That
quick question about illness and disease in the

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Sasquatch populace. Have there been any
reports in y'all's collective memory of Sasquatch exhibiting

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symptoms of sickness or illness or disease
like coughing, vomiting, anything like that?

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And what do you think that says
about their frailty and resistance to disease

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compared to ours? And then have
there what are your thoughts on in general

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disease spreading inside the Sasquatch population or
apps being introduced to them from us or

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to us by them, any thoughts? I really appreciate it. Keep it

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up, guys, you know,
have a great podcast. Yeah, people

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report them having like allergy symptoms or
it sounds like they have like a some

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kind of breathing problem, you know, like they got some kind of like

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a sinus infections. I think there's
a lot of reports of them like huffing

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and gasping forever, or like walking
hard coughing. There's a lot of reports

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to them coughing like they have a
cold or something. And I mean,

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for all we know, they could
get hit by diseases that you know,

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we're not aware of. And that's
why, uh, you know, it

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just seems like theres certain areas go
dead. Who knows they caught something,

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or because we know that primates can
another species, can you distribute germs and

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pathogens and viruses, so yeah,
well everything gets sick, so yeah,

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they're gonna do Yeah. And as
far as a frail to the speed,

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I agree with all that, Bobo. And I've heard the coughing thing,

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and I not my personally, but
i've been I've heard stories of them coughing

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or what sounds like coughing. Also, so the heavy breathing is very common

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sort of thing, you know.
But they have to be tough as nails,

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man, I mean, just holy
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gnarly with their immune system. And
I kind of always think about my time

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as an elementary school teacher, you
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crucible for disease and filth in an
elementary school classroom, I think, and

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and I would generally start the year, you know, I'd go back to

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school before the kids did prepare the
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then i'd about two weeks or so, and then kids would come in September

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and I would And of course it's
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the way, or you know,
whoever, whatever I was teaching that you're

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because you're you're in this elementary school
environment where there's kindergarteners all the way to

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whatever six or eighth grader, depending
what kind of school it is, plus

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their parents are around and whatever else. It is a crucible of disease essentially.

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And so in September I would usually
get sick. I would get a

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touch of something or rather, and
then that would be it kind of you

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know, it's like the it's like
you get it exposed to It's almost like

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inoculation. You get exposed to it
a little bit, and then you're kind

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of built up, you build up
an immunity. I generally did not really

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get sick for the rest of the
year, and I think that's probably what's

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going on with sasquatches. They're just
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in a relatively clean environment, by
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might be very few sort of diseases
out there, you know, to communicate

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to one another. But I think
that's probably what it is. They're just

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out there all the time being gnarly
and big and you know, and doing

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what they do, and therefore they
probably don't get sick very often. But

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I'll tell you, I bet when
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bad, to the point where eventually
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you know, at you know,
at age fifty or something like that.

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What are your thoughts on disease diseases
spreading to them? Now, let's of

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course humans, we're not really around
bigfoots very much, otherwise there'd be more

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pictures of them, you know.
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what about spreading diseases to each other
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birds for example, birds are filthy, nasty, horrible things. They spread

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disease all over the place. What
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them? Makes sense that I know
that the polar bears with their seal hunting

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not going. There's a planned because
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changes in that that they've switched to
the logo klan went cliffs and stuff and

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just eat eggs and hatchlings of all
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I know, they've gotten some.
They just got the first one. What's

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that H five N one bird flu
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up there. Yeah, I mean, birds are kind of filthy things,

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you know. I guess most biology
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the day. But yeah, it
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me the sasquatches probably live a fairly
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you know, fairly isolated. Of
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kill deer, so you know that
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wasting disease? Is that what that
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wasting disease. There makes you kind
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they whoever they are, they say
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because everything's always evolving, you know, and and uh, these things

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change. It's a problem with especially
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maybe something like that will start affecting
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know, learning more about sassquatches or
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we'll never know. And as doctor
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go slowly extinct without anybody knowing about
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a weird sort of way, it's
no loss, which is a weird thing

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to say, but there's some truth
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there, so not much but a
little. Yeah. I guess you can't

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lose what you don't know about.
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be weeping. We'd be weeping in
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yeah, more than usual. That's
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Well, hopefully that answers Pete's question
a little bit. In Missouri love,

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I love Missouri. That's a lovely
place. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

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Well, anyway, do you want
to cueue up the next message there for

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us. Hello Cliff and Bobo.
My name is Gabriel from Sunny Los Angeles.

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I have a bigfoot related question and
a non related bigfoot question. Let's

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start with a non related bigfoot question. First, Cliff, I heard in

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a previous podcast you bring you own
bruce. What type of bruce do you

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make? Pale als IPAs apple cider? Now fourthy bigfoot related question. My

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friend asked me a good question to
which I was stumped. If a TV

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show such as The Proof is out
There Expedition, Bigfoot, et cetera records

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a bigfoot, would they want to
display it in the newspapers and magazines first

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and air the episode later. The
best regards and happy squatching. Yeehaw.

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Well, I guess let's do the
non bigfoot one first. Yeah, I've

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been brewed in a while. I
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but but I do enjoy beer.
I love a great beer, and

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when I was brewing beer with regularity, it tended to be I p as,

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but I always for me personally,
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me wrong, but I kind of
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is Sierra Nevada pale Ale. That
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do a little bit of hops.
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in Oregon and whatever else, I
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and the I p as up here
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just extreme. It's it's like,
yeah, I'm gonna take some I'm gonna

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ferment some vix Vapo rub, you
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that. You know. That's kind
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here can go towards if you're not
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it to a whole different level.
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just don't have the palette for a
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go to the pale ales like a
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much because up here it's just something
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of other stuff that I find interesting. I also like a nice like stout

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ales and then the stouts and maybe
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So that's the beer question. But
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Meat is a lot of fun.
Which meat, of course is the

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first, probably likely the first fermented
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Honey, did you stay about one? You say, vy Cliff,

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that you've made last year or two
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know what meat takes. So when
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or whatever and then it sits for
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a fair amount of meat lining around. If you do want it, it

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is at the house. I'll put
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me. Oh yeah, no problem, no problem. I got a couple

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of things I need to give you
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things to get them. Yeah,
like you should be a little bit more

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readily available for the people, so
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know, a whole like toat in
my house devoted to bobo stuff. You

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know, I'm sorry it's a right. I was throating your trailer. You

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can feel bad about that. By
the way, Bobo's Bobo's trailer is still

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not for sale unless you give him
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we'll get some of those in or
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meat, I'm interested in meads because
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meads are kind of unusual. The
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though, were kind of sickly sweet
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should be sweet. Because the first
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yie and it came out real dry, and that's not really my taste.

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in meat. That's a whole culture
of meat I'm not aware of. You

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know, like if you could,
if you tinge it with sage, you

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know, if you then it's then
it's called this. If you use this

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kind of spice in it, it's
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much. It's this giant world of
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not super acquainted with. I just
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the Bigfoot question. But but what are

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your thoughts on that, Like,
if one of these shows, like Finding

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Bigfoot or Expedition Bigfoot or whatever,
it actually gets gets real footage, what

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do you think the what would happen
to it? They would make a huge

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deal out of it and get it
out, probably as fast as they could,

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and just you know, try to
keep the clamps on it not getting

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out, you know, leaking to
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just do a huge I'm sure they'd
run it on Discover, the main channel

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for sure. Yeah, I think
so too. I think I think they

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exploit it as much as they like. We would obviously go because we'd tell

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our friend. Word would just get
out. There's you know, you got

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fifteen people that are working on the
show, plus you know, I think

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there's no not going to tell Barter
or you know someone like that. Oh

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yeah, yeah, I would blab
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everybody who knows me personally would know
about it. Then you can't keep something

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like that secret. Yeah, And
of course the proof is out there is

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a kind of a different show though, because proof is out there. The

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one I'm kind of work on now
is like they they go out and find

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clips and they get they they pay
a licensing fee to the owners of them,

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and that kind of thing, and
then some nerd like me talks about

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them on the air. And there
have been real clips you know, on

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Proof is out there. Any Patterson
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Freeman footage has been on There's been
a fair number of clips that I think

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are probably real on there, and
a whole lot of stuff that isn't.

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And of course I've talked about that
before in the show. The producers are

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more than happy to let me say
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I don't watch any of the shows
that I'm in really, so I don't

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know how I'm edited up. But
hopefully they do a good job with me.

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I trust them, so hopefully they
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if any of these shows got actual, real footage, everybody and their mother

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would know about it. They would
be there would be such a commercial marketing

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push for that piece of footage.
It would be ridiculous. Everybody would know

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about it. Yeah, I stul
they got some plan, like you know,

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the kind of leak that it's coming, or it would be out that

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it's coming. Then you know they
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think they you know, they'd milk
it. They'd have you know, they'd

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pop up like a bunch of episodes
before, like you know, we run

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a bunch of the episodes from before, and you know, just build the

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height train as much as possible and
then boom, because once it's out and

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doesn't come back to watch it on
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Ever, we're gonna just look it
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and they'll recycle it, you know, forever. Basically, it's like it's

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like that hoax snowalker footage from back
in the day where the things you know

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that they fake that the bottom feeding
production companies like faked and then they made

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it. They said this could this
be real? And they do meldrum into

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it for a second, and he
had some positive things to say about it,

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and who knows what he really said, because you know, editing is

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he busted them. He first and
he thought it looked really good, and

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then he identified the plants and said
it was not in the Himalayas, it

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was in Sierra Nevadas, and so
he kind of got he kind of didn't

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fall for it, fall for it, but he was. He was open,

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like he was intrigued. And then
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real, he came out and just
said, no, this isn't real after

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all. Yeah, that's the thing
man. And because and because the producers

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always showed I mean, you've been
on these shows, bubs, you know.

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But for the people who haven't,
like they put it, so,

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what could you say about it that's
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to you. They oh, well, it is walking bipedally, it is

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all one color, and that does
look rather large or whatever. And they

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say, okay, now why do
you not think it's real? Oh,

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here's why. And then I give
a laundry list of fifty things and they

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don't use any of those. So
they just kind of use whatever footage fits

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their narrative best. You know.
It's kind of sad in that way.

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And again, one more time,
I'm going to go unplug that documentary.

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I think everybody who enjoys any sort
of television like this at all really should

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watch that documentary Science Friction. Go
watch it, and then it'll give you

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a new lens through which you can
watch these shows. And say, man,

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I'm not so sure. I'm not
so sure that's real. So anyway,

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go check that one out. Yeah, but that's snow walker footage.

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They've used it, you know,
they used it back then for the original

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episode. They use it for World's
Greatest Hoaxes a few years later. It's

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going to it's surfacing again, I
see on television at some point here,

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not too long. Yeah, they
just keep regurgitating these hoaxes and keep milking

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it for money. You know,
That's what these networks and stuff do.

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I mean, that's why they exist. They exist to earn money, and

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they're going to find every way they
can do it. And one of the

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ways to earn money is get real
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It would be a really big thing. That's why, you know, I'm

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assuming anything. I've said it before. If any of these shows get anything

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that's actually real, I'm going to
hear about it before you know, the

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History Channel puts it on the air. We all will if you're in the

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Bigfoot community at all. So I
hope that answers Gabriel's question down there,

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and Lovely Los Angeles hope the winners
aren't too harsh on you, Gabriel.

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I'm sure it's dropping into the upper
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When when I left it was forty
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god. The forties. Yeah,
they were like they were like everyone was

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talking like, you know, like
sitting in the forties tonight, bring your

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tropical plants inside. Yeah, exactly. The low here yesterday was negative one.

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Oh god, that's it's pretty insane
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Yeah, when all that wind is
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the wind chill it was negative eight. Yeah. All right, this is

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the last voicemail and then we'll go
to the written questions. Okay, whatever

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you say, Boss, Hey,
Cliff, Hey, Bobo. I'm Alex

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Kilbosa. I'm an amateur bigfoot researcher
in the East Texas Boggie Creek area,

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and I was runnering where in Texas
y'all thought was the best bigfoot hotspots or

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any good reports from recent reports from
that region. Thank you and love the

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show. Dude kill that's my nickname. That was my alias in high school

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in college, Norm Kilbasa. It
reminded me of the whole thing where you

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guys were debating about which of you
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flank steak. Oh, that's cool, that's right, Alex. Thanks for

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the question. Man. You know
what I remember most from our our Texas

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episodes is that every time we went
there or you know, in a western

407
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.279
Louisiana or you know, that corner
of the world, basically it always seemed

408
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.720
to come back to the Sabine River. Yeah. Yeah, I mean everything

409
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.880
like the lakes we were at they
had they were tributary or like they emptied

410
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.559
into the Sabine or Sabing emptied into
them or something like that. It always

411
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.559
came down to the Sabine River and
Sam Houston down south. Oh yeah,

412
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.079
it's a different kind of section there. So if you're south, yeah,

413
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.200
Sam Houston's and then get with saving. I mean within anything within like thirty

414
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.359
miles in Louisiana seems really good.
Yeah. And when we were in eastern

415
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.039
Texas, I remember one time we
base out of Luffkin. Yeah, do

416
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.240
you remember that because of McDonald's commercial, Like Andy the sound guy kept saying,

417
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:45.000
I'm luffing its Gramps, who's been
a guest on the podcast, by

418
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.480
the way, So everybody can go
back and listen to that. So,

419
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.640
yeah, Grandpa is great. And
of course his name is Andy. It's

420
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.960
not really Grandpa, but he's gramps
to us. Yeah, that whole area

421
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.319
down there, the Sabine River seems
to tie a lot of that stuff together.

422
00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.720
So I think any of those spots, the bottom lands and whatever else

423
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.079
would be a great place to go
see where the Sabine River empties into some

424
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:10.079
swamps or that. But I don't
honestly don't have anything that's recent from the

425
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.839
area. Oh there's stuff, there's
stuff. Yeah. Yeah, My ear's

426
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.759
not not to the ground down there, you know, So I don't know

427
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.519
what's going on there and there.
It's hard to be aware of everywhere.

428
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:19.960
I mean, money Maker is good
at that, you know, because he

429
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.720
has that nationwide thing with the BFRO. I'm really just focused on my corner

430
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:27.039
of the world up here, you
know, stuff I can do something about.

431
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.000
Well, that textar condment of that
whole texts comment is awesome too,

432
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.599
it is. It's really good.
Well, Matt you you you hang out

433
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:37.920
there, I mean you've done some
stuff down to that that zone before,

434
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.920
haven't you, not specifically in Texas? But yeah, I was going to

435
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.759
say you should definitely check out our
good friend, one of my best friends,

436
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.680
Mike May's book, The Value of
the Apes. The first third of

437
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.359
that book or so is about field
research in portions of Texas. And then

438
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.000
of course Lyle Blackburn's Texas Bigfoot.
Those two books would be a great resource.

439
00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.480
And Bobo like Shreveport is right across
the border. You've done a lot

440
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.599
of stuff. You've gone back for
seconds or thirds back in Shreeport, right,

441
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.319
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's
where we saw that giant one.

442
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.759
Yeah, and Cattle Lake is in
that area that has long history. It's

443
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:15.440
stuff all throughout there. But yeah, the focus on the riverways, riverways

444
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.319
in that area, forested areas and
river ways, I think you can't go

445
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.559
wrong. There's a lot of places
down there that hold them. Yeah,

446
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.680
totally, totally, And not a
lot of people are out there looking for

447
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:27.640
him. And of course it's not
too far east. But Tyler, Texas,

448
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:32.559
I really like Tyler, Texas.
I know that witness that with the

449
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.200
face smudge that's on display here at
the North American Bigfoot Center where a sasquatch

450
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.799
came up and looked inside the window
and left a smudge of goo on the

451
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.720
wall on the glass as it was
looking through of Seabam. I think the

452
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:48.279
term is for that oily stuff on
your skin. And I talk about my

453
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.960
thermal siding of a sasquatch in North
Carolina, but I may have seen one

454
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.680
outside of Tyler. I'm not sure, but I don't talk about that one

455
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.079
so much because it was at such
a distance, but a tall, dark

456
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.319
figure walking by pal Lee through a
powerline cut as I was zipping down the

457
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.480
highway. So I don't know if
that was one or not, but that's

458
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:10.640
I saw it right outside of Tyler, Texas. So good area. Stay

459
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.759
tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back

460
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:25.680
after these messages we got rick Yarmy's
messages. Thank you for continuing to do

461
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.880
such a great job every week.
I only listened to a few podcasts each

462
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.279
week, and this is by far
and away my favorite. If you're in

463
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.400
a place that gentleman's been on,
which region in the USA or Canada will

464
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.519
be the first to prove it wasn't
for all that sasquatches are real? Where

465
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.079
do you think it will happen?
First? I say North Carolina because of

466
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:47.599
the Darby or cuts. North Carolina
State University Sasquatch evidence investigation. Yeah,

467
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.279
I guess so. I mean I
wasn't thinking along those avenues, but I

468
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.839
think you're probably right. That didn't
occur to me. But yeah, North

469
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.279
Carolina University doing that DNA study,
I think has a very very high probability

470
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:02.279
of being the first. The settles
come from all over the world. But

471
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.000
yeah, that's that's sort you're gonna
hear about it from there. But yeah,

472
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.039
the settle could be from anywhere.
Yeah, that's true, that's true.

473
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.640
But now now let's take the let's
take the laboratory out of this.

474
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.440
What do you think about that.
Yeah, it's impossible. It really could

475
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.200
be. I mean it could be
could come out of San Diego, could

476
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.240
come out of New York. You
know, it could be Iowa. I

477
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.440
mean, who knows. I don't
know if that answers anything, Rick,

478
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:30.480
but that's what you got. But
for some reason, you keep continuing to

479
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.119
come back and listen to us every
week, and we really really do appreciate

480
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.039
that. I suppose it's just like
hanging out with Cliff and Bobo and Matt.

481
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.720
Really that's why white people keep coming
back for more. Yeah, I

482
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.799
was thinking about that earlier. Like, uh, like, I'm so surprised

483
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.640
and humbled and astonished in a lot
of ways that people keep coming back and

484
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.359
listening to our podcast, you know, and I'm very appreciative of it.

485
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.519
Surprising and flattering it is, it
is equally so. Anyway, why don't

486
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.960
we go to the next question?
This one comes from Shane gill Christ or

487
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.880
Gilchrist or guile Christ. I don't
know Gilchrist gil Christ. All right,

488
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.960
Hey, this is Shane from Alberta, Canada. Do you think Canada has

489
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.839
more Sasquatch than the lower forty eight
states and we don't have as many reports

490
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.920
due to the vast land area dash
smaller populations to make reports. Thanks,

491
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.440
yes, next question? Please,
No, I'm just kidding. Yeah,

492
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:27.640
yeah, that's absolutely the reason.
That's absolutely the reason. Most of Canadians,

493
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.759
most of the Canadians live close to
the border, and most of Canada

494
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.559
is not close to the border,
certainly, and pretty much most of Canada

495
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.759
is great bigfoot habitat, so Sasquatch
I think are more plentiful in Canada,

496
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.359
agreed. I remember we said it
before. I mean British Columbia alone is

497
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:53.359
larger than Washington, Oregon and California
combined. You know, British Columbia is

498
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.839
not the only province up there that
has sasquatches in it. No, No,

499
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.640
not at all. Yeah, I
think there's a ton of bigfoots up

500
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.440
there, a bevy of them.
But without more people, more people will

501
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.039
never know. So I guess,
I guess what we're actually doing is encouraging

502
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.359
Canadians to multiply. All right,
Well, we got the next one from

503
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.960
Nathan Craig. What was one of
the what was one thing each of you

504
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.119
struggled with most early on in your
journey in the field of sasquatch, whether

505
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.400
it be pushed back from people or
difficulties with research time, et cetera.

506
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.200
I think for the early part it
was more just the information was you didn't

507
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.839
have the internet, you know,
you couldn't just go online and look stuff

508
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.000
up and find hotspots or talk to
people, and it was you you got

509
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.920
to be really boots on the ground
to get you know, to find uh,

510
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.640
to get information and find out where
to go and what time of year

511
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.359
these places are having them. And
yeah, in my early days, I

512
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.519
was in Long Beach, California,
So it was geography, you know,

513
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.079
I mean, because I got introduced
to the subject through the science literature and

514
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.039
mostly doctor Krantz at the time,
and doctor Krantz mostly focused on the Pacific

515
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.279
Northwest because that's where he lived.
He didn't have a lot of good information

516
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.079
for me to the Rockies. He
didn't have a lot of the contacts and

517
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.079
all that sort of stuff, so
he focused on the information and the evidence

518
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.440
that he has. First he had
first hand knowledge of and all pretty much

519
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.759
all of it came from here,
basically, so in Southern California. What

520
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:23.200
I really wasn't aware that they were
in Southern California until later. And even

521
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.119
at that point, I thought,
well, they're probably just you know,

522
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:29.799
moving through or something like that.
I didn't realize that there were probably pockets

523
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.079
of them down there, and I
don't I see even today, I still

524
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.680
don't know a lot of the habits
of these things in the Southern California mountains

525
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.519
because up here in the Pacific Northwest, where I moved to, they don't

526
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.200
have to move very far. They
don't have to get around very far because

527
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.160
everything they need is in like a
small area, which which is why I'm

528
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.440
pretty sure that they're not moving around
very much here. They're not migrating very

529
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.039
far, at least up here in
the Pacific Northwest southern California. I don't

530
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.200
know, all bets are off,
you know, from the Sierras to the

531
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.559
Hashbee Mountains into the Angelus Crest and
all that stuff. They might have to

532
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.119
move a great distance. They may
not have to move anywhere. I don't

533
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.519
know. I'm inclined to think they
probably don't move around. But nonetheless,

534
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.720
so it was geography for me and
time as well, because you know too,

535
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.880
I started going to like Bluff Creek, because that's where a lot of

536
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.000
people start their bigfoot, you know, endeavors is by going to the Holy

537
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.240
Land, you know, Bluff Creek
and like poking around there. And that

538
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.160
was a twelve hour drive from Long
Beach, California. Time off and geography

539
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.599
was the thing I had the most
trouble with all the other stuff I pushed

540
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.440
back from people and all that stuff
that came later on, I just became

541
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.680
more sensitive to other people criticizing me
personally for my hobbies. That kind of

542
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:44.519
bothered me later on in my career. But in the early days, it

543
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.119
was time and geography. I guess
I didn't consider that my career back then,

544
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.960
I consider that more when I moved
up north. Yeah, of course,

545
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.440
I bounced around for a while trying
to find out where I was going

546
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.759
to be before I settled up here. My own regret about moving was that

547
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.519
I didn't do it ten years earlier. Long Beach is a great place to

548
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.279
grow up, especially for musicians and
stuff. And you know, when I

549
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.280
was out playing the gigs and Black
played the whiskey of Go Go, and

550
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.400
I did all that kind of stuff
up and down the Sunset Strip and had

551
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.039
a lot of musician friends, and
I still do. But you know,

552
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.440
at the end of the day,
I just, I guess I just enjoyed

553
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.480
being in the woods more than a
beer soaked loud club waiting for the crappy

554
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:28.400
band that went on before a stand. I hope that answers your question,

555
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.920
Nathan, Thanks for offering it to
us. The next question comes from Wesley

556
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.440
O'Quinn. What's the best footage that
you guys have seen that the rest of

557
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.559
us haven't des falls. Yeah,
there's some stuff from the Rison project that

558
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.239
looks really good, and there's other
stuff that I think is fake. But

559
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.239
like there's some I do like some
of the clips from the Ericson Project The

560
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.719
Female Walking Away. Yeah, that
one's pretty intriguing. Or yeah, i'd

561
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.039
like to see him again. I've
spent many years since I've seen them,

562
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.559
but hopefully they'll make that public someday
and people can check it out. I've

563
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:05.760
seen I've seen game cam photos that
are that are good that are aren't released,

564
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.119
but not so much, not so
much video. All the stuff I've

565
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.280
heard that's insane. That's gonna blow
my mind when I see it. I'm

566
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.320
like, what are you looking at? Oh? I know, I've seen

567
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.960
so many blob squatches that people say, no, it's suggests every bit as

568
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.960
good as the Patterson give one film. You can see the fingernails and I'm

569
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.920
looking at it and say, I
don't see anything, man, what do

570
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.000
you? What are you on?
The thermal footage? I saw that.

571
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.440
Hopefully I can find some time in
my archives from the Border Patrol that was.

572
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.440
That wasn't great footage, but I
mean, you know, a thing

573
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:40.440
was fifty percent bigger than any other
person on the screen. That's another I've

574
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.079
seen some good Yeah, I've seen
those good game cam photos from Oregon and

575
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.079
then Tennessee. Yeah, or what
about the there was one from two or

576
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.519
three years ago that money Maker briefly
put on Twitter and I think he erased

577
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.320
it, or maybe it's still out
there from Georgia. The thing was walking

578
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:59.320
behind a deer feeder or something like
that. It was. I like that

579
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.519
one. I think that one's legit. That one's pretty cool. You know,

580
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.360
I'll go back. I like I
like Joe Purdue's footage. That one's

581
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.320
not played very much. I think
that one deserves more attention, you know.

582
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.559
But yeah, but it's it's I
don't know that just doesn't receive the

583
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.639
attention or something like that. But
I think that one's pretty cool. Yeah,

584
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.880
that's good. There's a bunch,
yeah there are. I like that

585
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.840
one that you sent from the Alaskan
Indigenous people with that thing peeking over the

586
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.519
back of the ATV. That scared
the hell out of me. Man,

587
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.639
that was scary. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones.

588
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.079
There's a lot of pretty decent ones
out there, and there's a lot of

589
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.559
really mediocre or poor ones as well
that I think are real. Like one

590
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.199
mediocre one that I that I do
like, and I do think it's real,

591
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.039
even though other people give a lot
of pushback to it. Is Moneymakers

592
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.920
pancake footage from the Erickson Project.
Yeah, people have seen that, you

593
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.840
know, not very many. You'd
be surprised. I mean, I mean,

594
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.199
remember Bubble, We're dealing with people
that a lot of these people,

595
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.199
it wasn't for our podcast and a
couple other things, they wouldn't know who

596
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.920
John Green is. They certainly,
you know, they wouldn't They certainly don't

597
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.079
know what the pancake footage is or
the Ericson project. You know, a

598
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.440
lot of people are kind of new
to the field because it just happened to

599
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:12.119
stumble upon their fascination with sasquatches relatively
recently. They may not know anything about

600
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.440
the pancake footage. And it was
posted briefly on Cryptomundo back in the day,

601
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.840
a blog that I'm not even sure
it's up anymore. I don't know.

602
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.159
Then all hell broke loose and there
were lawsuits around and all sorts of

603
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.920
nutty things happened, and then it
was taken down. So after that,

604
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:29.800
I think they got real touchy about
posting things. So I'm not sure what's

605
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.480
going on with any of that,
but I like the pancake footage and Moneymaker

606
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.440
got it. Matt got it.
Matt has actually filmed them twice from what

607
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:43.719
I understand, the pancake footage,
and he went through extraordinary efforts to get

608
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:49.000
that, extraordinary efforts to get that. I'm like the he put a camera

609
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.880
in inside of a trailer, if
I remember, right inside of a trailer

610
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.440
that was parked on the property,
like one hundred and one hundred and fifty

611
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.039
yards away or more. The camera
was inside the cub in the kitchen in

612
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.159
the trailer on the back wall,
with the door of the cupboard open,

613
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.320
looking out a open an open window
on the other side of the trailer through

614
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:15.320
a telephoto lens that was in all
the way in night vision with nine hundred

615
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:21.079
and forty animeters ir in illumination like
extraordinary lengths and got the footage, and

616
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.320
I guess he films a part of
one. He says it's terrible and you

617
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.119
can't really tell what it is,
but he thinks it's legit or something like

618
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.559
that in Ohio back in the day. And I've never seen that footage,

619
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.800
although i'd like to, just as
he says, it's terrible and you can't

620
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.239
see anything, but I would still
like to see it, just you know,

621
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.239
for the completest. I don't know, there's a lot of good footage

622
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:42.719
out there. I just looked up
Crypto Mondo and the last thing he posted

623
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.159
was in February twenty twenty three.
Oh really, Okay, well that's actually

624
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.679
more recent than I thought it would
be. That's interesting. Yeah, there's

625
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.760
some twenty there's about six from twenty
two, three, one from twenty twenty

626
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:59.440
one, and two or three from
twenty twenty. Then twenty nineteen is when

627
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.480
he was really posting a lot interesting. And of course Craig will Heater is

628
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.360
the guy who runs that, and
he's been a guest on this podcast before

629
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.119
and maybe I don't know if he
listens regularly or anything like that, but

630
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.679
wouldn't it be fun if he get
there some giant boost from our listenership to

631
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.119
go to cryptomndo And he says,
why are all these people coming to the

632
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.920
all of a sudden If you go
back to their stuff, that was the

633
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.760
site to go to you for a
long time. Oh yeah, it was

634
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.960
one of the best, one of
the best back back in the Bigfoot Forum

635
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.360
days, you know, which is
still around as well, but it's not

636
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.880
not as many people go there as
back in the day, you know,

637
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.880
No, not at all. Yeah, there were a couple of go to

638
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:37.519
websites that there were a lot of
fun to go check out back in the

639
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.199
day before Facebook ruined everything and took
everybody away, all these different places.

640
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.920
All right, So is that for
that one? I think? So we

641
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.960
got Michelle Clark. Are there pieces
of evidence that were presented to you during

642
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.599
the filming of Funny Big Thing that
you have now determined to be fake?

643
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.800
Yeah, London Tracks, I think
we're a big part of it. The

644
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.039
producers, other producers. No,
the producers are good. Well again,

645
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.400
you know, networks and production companies, they've got no dog in this fight.

646
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.960
You know, they don't care.
They're just after the advertising revenue because

647
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.639
that's a business and that's the business
model. And they were foolish enough to

648
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:19.280
hire us, people who did care
about the subject and the evidence. All

649
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.639
sorts of shenanigans went on between us, man like we were just it might

650
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.239
say shenanigans, I mean, like
disagreements between us and them and whatever about

651
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.480
the evidence, because we were focused
on the evidence. As far as we're

652
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:32.880
concerned, we're going big footing on
Animal Planet's dime. And of course,

653
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.679
you know, production company and Animal
Plan in the network. Now, Animal

654
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.440
Planet was great. I don't want
I'm not talking smack about them at all,

655
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.280
but they were making a TV show. That's just the way it goes.

656
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:45.320
And I'm sure if they would have
hired actors, they would have had

657
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:50.639
a much easier time filming things.
But clearly we're not actors. You can

658
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.840
tell by you know, those rare
occasions where we had to actually act on

659
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.840
TV. But yeah, we were
real bigfooters, and the evidence was the

660
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.480
most important thing, even to the
point where I hid evidence from the product

661
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.239
from the production company because they were
just going to put it back and put

662
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.320
it in their office, and I
made sure that they couldn't get their hands

663
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:13.480
on it before it was copied.
They didn't like that. They were pretty

664
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.639
pissed at me. Too bad,
Too bad. Luckily I went behind their

665
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.000
backs, gave the evidence to Matt
Preuet's mother, who they didn't know,

666
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.000
and then you know, worked out
a deal with them later so we can

667
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.360
copy the cast and stuff that we
got. So it was squirreled away in

668
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:37.400
pizza boxes after Bobo and I destroyed
some pizza together, that's right. So

669
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:44.199
that's the second pizza box story that's
been told on this podcast. That was

670
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.239
November's only section, wasn't it.
No, it was. It was included

671
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.360
as a hidden feature after the credit, So listeners, if you haven't heard

672
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.800
it, Happy hunting. There's only
two hundred and forty five previous episodes,

673
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:04.039
so get on it. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

674
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:13.800
Bogo. Will be right back after
these messages. This is the last question,

675
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.760
by the way, and it is
a porn man. It's a porn

676
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.719
man, Lance Underwood. Okay,
well, some people are lucky enough to

677
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.639
be born with porn names, so
who knows. But anyway, Lance Lance

678
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.000
Underwood, this is your question.
Hey guys, I was just listening to

679
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.480
the last few shows that I missed
over the holidays, and Cliff was saying

680
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:37.079
that he doesn't think that a sasquatch
would have a twenty inch long foot.

681
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.880
I'm six foot six, three hundred
pounds and I have a sixteen inch long

682
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.199
foot. I find it hard to
believe that a large sasquatch wouldn't have a

683
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.599
way bigger foot than I do.
Why is it that you believe that they

684
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.079
wouldn't have a larger foot. I
gotta see this, guys, I got

685
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.639
to see this point measured at sixteen
inches, it is a porn star all

686
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.760
right, right, well, you
know you know how the foot correlates,

687
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:04.360
right, good point. Now,
Lance, I'd like to say that we're

688
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.199
not questioning your claim, but I
think we actually are at this point.

689
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.559
Can you please send us a picture
of your foot next to a tape measure

690
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.599
that's figger than shack. That's insane. Yeah, because I have a pair

691
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.679
of Shaquilla and Eel's shoes in the
museum. Shaquilla and Eiel was briefly being

692
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.840
courted by Nike. He came to
Nike's place and they made him a pair

693
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.440
of shoes. He played basketball.
He went with some other company, right,

694
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.639
but those shoes still existed, and
they ended up passing through one of

695
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.599
the employees to a person to Larry
Lund, who donated them to the museum.

696
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.760
And shacks feed are fourteen inches long, fourteen fourteen and a half inches

697
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.440
long, and he's seven to two
or something like seven foot one. He's

698
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.880
a big poy. So yeah,
I would look. I mean again,

699
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.480
we're kind of questioning in the way
we're not, you know, but at

700
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.679
the same time, I'm mostly fascinated. Can you please put your foot down

701
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.039
next to a sixteen inch like ruler, well, you know that tape measure

702
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.679
of some sort and send that to
me. I mean, I would love

703
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:59.400
to display that picture. I'd be
yeah for presentations and stuff like there's a

704
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.920
human with a seen inch foot.
But I think it's like, yeah,

705
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.159
measuring other things like some guys overestimate
or embellish. Yeah, and you know

706
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.199
what, heck man, why don't
you send me Send me an email North

707
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.280
American Bigfoot Center at gmail dot com
that goes to my museum. Send me

708
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.000
an email. I would like to
speak to you about getting a cast of

709
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.639
your foot. I think that would
be really cool. I remember when we

710
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.519
were down at the Film and Find
a Bigfoot in Oregon. We had that

711
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.960
guy from Eugene who was the second
tallest man in organ He was seven foot

712
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.440
two if remember correctly. We have
pictures of the guy and I asked him

713
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.599
to walk through the sand and I
cast his footprints and they are about thirteen

714
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.880
and a half inches long. They
are human as hell look, and they're

715
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.400
so narrow and long. Of course, yeah, yeah, so yeah,

716
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.320
I would love to have a cast
of your feet if they are actually sixteen

717
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.320
inches long. So Lance Underwood,
if that is indeed your real name,

718
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.880
I would love you to reach out
to me and we can arrange something.

719
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.119
I will pay for shipping and all
that other stuff I want to see or

720
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:04.400
feet. I don't think I've ever
said that to a band before, But

721
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.760
yeah, do they have twenty inch
feet? Maybe? But what I the

722
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.440
reason I doubt that is because the
big eight and a half footers tend to

723
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.280
have feet around the sixteen inch range. Okay, now sixteen inches and twenty

724
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.880
inches. Yeah, it's a four
inch difference. It's pretty that's a pretty

725
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.760
big difference for the most part.
But what I really doubt is that people

726
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.360
have all these sorts of claims about
exceptionally large feet and whatever, and in

727
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.159
some human minds that makes them more
believable or like, oh my god,

728
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.679
listen to my story, I'm super
bitch and you know, and so they

729
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.239
exaggerate and whatever else. The larger
the feet, the less likely it is

730
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.679
it'd be real. Most the vast
majority of mind I have, I think

731
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.599
probably technically at this point, the
largest Sasquatch footprint cast collection in the world,

732
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.639
and there's nothing close to twenty inches. The close sege is about eighteen

733
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.239
eighteen and a half, which I
guess is technically close to twenty inches,

734
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:59.639
and that particular cast was made by
a fourteen inch foot. We know that

735
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.440
because we have other casts of that
same individual's foot. So I think these

736
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.159
larger casts in the data set.
And again I don't if I have a

737
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:14.239
cast as twenty inches, that's because
there's overflow from the impression of the foot

738
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:20.400
itself. I think that people exaggerate, and I think that people don't even

739
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.760
big footers, the vast majority of
big footers, almost nobody, I'll even

740
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:29.480
say, understands the dynamic interaction of
the foot between and the substrate. You

741
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.840
know, they just don't understand that. So, oh, I got this

742
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.000
cast is a twenty inch print,
you know. And then so you're trying

743
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.280
to convince me by saying it's big, a twenty inch print, it's so

744
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.559
big that it can't be human,
I think is really what your argument is.

745
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.440
But do you understand how feet interact
with the soil as they move along,

746
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:51.119
especially up and down slopes. I
doubt that it took me decades to

747
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.320
really wrap my head around, you
know. And the reason I only reason

748
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:58.360
I am somewhat familiar with. It
is just the sheer number of casts I

749
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.159
have and how many times I've seen
footprints and casts and all that sort of

750
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.320
stuff. So yeah, it's it
possible they have twenty Yeah, sure man,

751
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.239
Yeah, sure, it's possible.
Yeah, likely, I doubt it.

752
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.400
I think most Sasquatch footprints feet actual
feet. By the way, most

753
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.119
Sasquatch feet top out probably around the
sixteen maybe seventeen inch range. Could be

754
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.960
wrong, but I've not seen any
evidence to convince me that I'm wrong.

755
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.280
But I sure would like to see
your feet. If Lance at six foot

756
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:28.599
six has a foot that's twenty five
percent longer than seven foot one Korea Abdul

757
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.559
Jabbar, I'll be amazed. Well, you know, I just looked.

758
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.159
I did a quick Google search.
Here the world's largest foot ever recorded,

759
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.280
largest foot ever recorded belongs to a
man named Robert Wadlow. Wadlow is one

760
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.199
of the most most famous people in
the world ever lay he stood eight feet

761
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.679
eleven inches tall. Yeah, his
shoe size was thirty seven double A and

762
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.280
each foot measured one point five four
feet long, which comes out to eighteen

763
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.960
and a half inches. So I
guess it's possible. He could barely walk.

764
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.039
Yeah, yeah, that was a
problem. But uh, Lance Underwood

765
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.480
here, it is only six and
a half feet tall. I guess it's

766
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.519
possible. It's definitely possible. But
Lance, I really want to see your

767
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.639
feet, man, that's really cool
if that's true, and again, email

768
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.760
me, email us, let us
know. And I want to get casts

769
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.599
of your foot to highlight the differences
between a large human foot and a sasquatch

770
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.280
foot. So yeah, please please
please email me. I want to display

771
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.559
your foot cast in the museum.
Who they got me all fired up?

772
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:29.519
All right, Well, there you
go, folks. There's That was the

773
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.239
last question for this month's Q and
A, or at least the regular episode.

774
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.039
But when I are going to go
off and do the members section now,

775
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.800
or we just take questions from members, that'll be a lot of fun

776
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.400
as well. We get a little
looser over in the member section, pipes

777
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.760
in a little bit more often,
and there's a little bit less editing for

778
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.400
idiocy, which is probably the most
common kind of editing we do here.

779
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.119
If you would like your question answered, well, you got to ask us,

780
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.280
otherwise we won't answer it. And
the way to ask us that question

781
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:01.880
is by going to the website,
hitting the contact button and emailing us your

782
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.840
question, or you can even record
a voice message for us. I'm sure

783
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.400
the lovely and talented Matt Preu will
put that link in the show notes below.

784
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.679
And it's a lot of fun.
We really do enjoy these particular app

785
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.000
At least I really enjoy these episodes
because we don't know the questions that are

786
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.159
coming. Matt prot hides all that
from us until we actually read it on

787
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.800
the screen in front of us and
answer it as we're recording. So it's

788
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:27.000
kind of a fun episode to do
for us here, Buba, Any last

789
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.440
thoughts before we split? No?
Cool, me too, neither. All

790
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:35.239
right, okay, folks, thanks
for joining us again this week. Yeah,

791
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.239
send us in your questions, statements, whatever, praise, insults we

792
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:43.039
look at all. So until next
week, y'all, keep it squatchy.

793
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.440
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794
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.679
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795
00:49:55.719 --> 00:50:00.400
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797
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798
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