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Bubo Fay, Good day, Bobo. How you doing, sir? All
right? How's going up there? Oh it's it's been a heck of a
week, man, it's been a heck of a week. The weather hit.
I think it's hit pretty much everywhere, the crawl across the country.
But you know, I live out in the woods and last weekend, you
know you've been to my house. I've got a one mile long dead end
dirt road that I live on. I think six trees dropped across the road
over the weekend. On Friday and Saturday. The wind was howling, you
know. I mean it was sustain ten to fifteen a lot of twenty twenty
five, so we had like fifty mile per hour gusts going down the valley.
And the temperature was twelve so everything was frozen, which and that dropped
a lot of trees. Six trees over the road and just countless others in
the woods on either side. One of the trees was well over one hundred
feet tall. Well, it was tall at one time, till it fell,
that it was, And so I spent nine am too dark or so
on Sunday with my neighbors clearing that tree because it dropped on the road.
Like almost the entire length of the tree was on the road. So that
took a lot of effort. What about your existence, What are you doing?
Well? I got home last night from down south. Did you drive
straight through or did you take a break somewhere? I took a break down
by Santa Cruz. Oh that's cool, good man good. I slept for
about three or four hours, and I stopped and seeing my buddy web down
there at Half Moon Bay, and then shot up that night and got back
about three thirty in the morning something like that. Nice. Well it's kind
of late, but otherwise it's but it's nice to be home. Oh dude.
Plus, I skipped traffic because there's all those storms and like just traffic
jams everywhere, and so I just drove in the middle of the night.
But it was still sketchy, storms, super hard. I was going through
San Francisco. And then when I crossed the Golden Gate. They're redoing the
bridge, and like all the lanes, like in the lanes coming up to
it on the one oh one, there was no It was all blacktop and
there was all these different like old lines like you could I mean, there
was no reflectors or no painted lines. It was just black pouring down rain
like dumping, and then cars just flying all over the well. The people
were slowing down but you couldn't tell the lane was what it was. It
was white knuckle for sure. But yeah, school, so I'm back now.
And then there was just a sighting right where I've been going up outside
of Fieldbrook, which is just outside of your Garcada area on the coast.
It's the first little valley behind McKinley be lotching the airport there trin southeast of
Trinidad. And my buddy saw one it was. It jumped down, It
jumped twenty feet into a ravine and kept running when it landed. Wow it
was. And then when the backtrack there was a dead dough there with a
broke neck, I guess, And where it was was right by this Uh
when I think she baby sits too, but she has for sure, like
three three kids, like probably from like three to seven or something. I
think she had. I think she's watched a couple of other kids there too.
And that's where it was. Hanging out on this private dirt road with
like you know, maybe like half dozen houses on It goes a couple of
miles. It might be worth walking on that road. Man. They keep
going back to the same spots from mikepers Yeah, he took off. He
took off out of town for a couple of weeks, like two days ago
before I came back. And I'm gonna gout there with another guy. We're
gonna go look, go check it out and see what we can dig up.
Nice man, that's nice. You see if you can take some pictures
of that broken neck deer the kind of Yeah, yeah, for sure,
nice man, that's cool. Yeah. Well, I think we got a
question and answer episode, right, or just doing another one of them.
There are things we do is the Q and a episode once a month,
and this is it. And of course all these questions will be submitted by
our listeners. By you. Yes, I'm pointing at you, listener.
You are the people who ask us ces. You can either call well,
you can go to our website basically, and you can you be hit the
contact button and you can either leave a voicemail for us, which we really
really enjoy of course, and I think people like to hear themselves on the
radio too with it and hear all of our friends out there. Or you
can type up a question for us and we answer it, and of course
we'll do that for the next hour or so, and then we will go
to the member section. Because Big Fan to Beyond has a membership thing on
Patreon. For five bucks a month, you get about, I don't know,
an extra forty five minutes or an hour every single week. If just
in case you can't get enough of Cliff and bobes, there's a little bit
more out there for you. And we do special members only Q and A
where Bobo and I put on our members only jacket and we answer questions just
from our members. So, mister Matt Prude, who also I think has
a is a cold right now, but not COVID. He has a cold
right now, mister Matt Prue, would you mind queuing up the first voicemail
for us? Please? Hey, there, guys, is Mike. How
are you guys all doing today? Bobo, good, Cliff Matt just wanted
chicken with you guys, saying that I had a BFO expedition and actually had
some interesting stuff happen. On the first day, I had a rock thrown
at me land right next to me a lot most some people heard it from
who were a little bit away. Later on, I had a would knock
that I did had would not reply back, and then just for the hell
of it, did one more time and I had kind of like a oh
kind of reply. We were up on a hill and it happened down like
the little valley that it was in. So had some interesting stuff there,
had some like some like whoo woo's one night and I didn't hear it in
person, but I heard the recording of someone having a really hard like hard
wood knock, and so it was pretty interesting. So I can say it
was a very exciting trip. And I don't know they I'll tell you guys
about more about it one day, but the one to give you guys a
heads up on what my adventures have been like. Love you guys, love
the podcast. Keep a squatchy, Michael Matt, You know, I love
that you answered the recording Bobes. That's so that's adorable. I know,
you're way more polite than anybody would ever imagine. Where he asked. You
know, you actually answered a question even though it was recording. That's just
adorable. Sound it really did. I was there with you, and I
said, oh shoot, I didn't say anything that I realized. Oh wait,
it's a recording. Typical behavior, I know, typical rude cliff.
Oh, I know, I'm I'm terrible, but you're adorable. I just
wanted to put that out there. And uh, yeah, so you got
hit by a rock. I hope Moneymaker didn't throw it too hard at you.
He didn't tell us where it was. You listen to Jersey or Pennsylvania?
Oh really if it was yeah, who knows? Who knows? Yeah?
Do you got answers on a knock thing? That's cool? Yeah.
The bfr O trips that you know, for people who haven't been on a
bfro O trip, I got to say, they're they're they're worth it.
That you learn some techniques and you know, they get your you get your
feet wet and the bigfoot research stuff bfro style. But really, to me,
at least, the most valuable thing about the bfro O trips is hooking
up with like minded individuals that you that you want to go to the woods
with probably later, and you know, focus on the big foot thing.
I think that that's really valuable. What are your thoughts on the BFRO trips,
Bobs, I tell you all the time, like they're I think they're
worth it, you know, like, look at a three hundred bucks and
I'm like, you know, if you go fishing, you're gonna pay.
You know, you go for a weekend fishing, you got a guide.
Every day you're paying you know, two fifty a day or whatever. Yeah,
I mean it's like I think it's a good deal, you know,
and you will get turned a good spots. You'll you'll meet some cool people
and you could you really could have an encounter. Yeah. Yeah, they're
they're very successful. You know, they're very successful. And like anything else,
when a lot of people show up, you know, maybe there's ten
or twenty people there, p you can choose, you know, kind of
see who resonates with you best. You know. Yeah, because when the
public gets involved, you know, it gets a little weird sometimes, but
generally speaking, there's always good people on those events. And mind you,
Bobo and I are not BFRO members with them. Matt doesn't know we're talking
about it right now, he's not asking us to do. So these are
our real opinions about these events. People come to me and ask me like,
do you guys take people out in the woods, And I go,
no, No, not at all. But Matt does. And I always
recommend the BFRO trips, you know, because Matt's not on most of those.
Mind you, Matt's on a couple of them. If you're lucky though,
Oh yeah, if you're lucky, Yeah, because Matt's solid in the
woods. And I've said it before, I don't know of anybody better at
finding where a sasquatch might be than that guy. You know, you give
him Google Earth is signing to database in about an hour, and he's going
to put you on the place where you're more than likely, well more likely
than a rant than to run across the sasquatch, you know for sure.
Yeah, he's very good at what he does. In fact, I think
the Finding Bigfoot show I never did like that name very much, but it
does work when Matt is there because Matt is what Matt is very very good
at. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, Mike, thanks not so much
a question, but thanks for the comment. We do appreciate that. And
you know we're not against comments. If you guys want to send comments into
us instead of questions, more than happy to listen to him. Anyway.
Let's let's why don't we keep the second one? Hey, guys, this
is Pete, Southwest Missouri. That quick question about illness and disease in the
Sasquatch populace. Have there been any reports in y'all's collective memory of Sasquatch exhibiting
symptoms of sickness or illness or disease like coughing, vomiting, anything like that?
And what do you think that says about their frailty and resistance to disease
compared to ours? And then have there what are your thoughts on in general
disease spreading inside the Sasquatch population or apps being introduced to them from us or
to us by them, any thoughts? I really appreciate it. Keep it
up, guys, you know, have a great podcast. Yeah, people
report them having like allergy symptoms or it sounds like they have like a some
kind of breathing problem, you know, like they got some kind of like
a sinus infections. I think there's a lot of reports of them like huffing
and gasping forever, or like walking hard coughing. There's a lot of reports
to them coughing like they have a cold or something. And I mean,
for all we know, they could get hit by diseases that you know,
we're not aware of. And that's why, uh, you know, it
just seems like theres certain areas go dead. Who knows they caught something,
or because we know that primates can another species, can you distribute germs and
pathogens and viruses, so yeah, well everything gets sick, so yeah,
they're gonna do Yeah. And as far as a frail to the speed,
I agree with all that, Bobo. And I've heard the coughing thing,
and I not my personally, but i've been I've heard stories of them coughing
or what sounds like coughing. Also, so the heavy breathing is very common
sort of thing, you know. But they have to be tough as nails,
man, I mean, just holy smokes, you have to be just
gnarly with their immune system. And I kind of always think about my time
as an elementary school teacher, you know, because there is no other greater
crucible for disease and filth in an elementary school classroom, I think, and
and I would generally start the year, you know, I'd go back to
school before the kids did prepare the classroom when I was a teacher, and
then i'd about two weeks or so, and then kids would come in September
and I would And of course it's not just my fifth graders either, by
the way, or you know, whoever, whatever I was teaching that you're
because you're you're in this elementary school environment where there's kindergarteners all the way to
whatever six or eighth grader, depending what kind of school it is, plus
their parents are around and whatever else. It is a crucible of disease essentially.
And so in September I would usually get sick. I would get a
touch of something or rather, and then that would be it kind of you
know, it's like the it's like you get it exposed to It's almost like
inoculation. You get exposed to it a little bit, and then you're kind
of built up, you build up an immunity. I generally did not really
get sick for the rest of the year, and I think that's probably what's
going on with sasquatches. They're just out there doing their thing, you know,
in a relatively clean environment, by the way, so there might there
might be very few sort of diseases out there, you know, to communicate
to one another. But I think that's probably what it is. They're just
out there all the time being gnarly and big and you know, and doing
what they do, and therefore they probably don't get sick very often. But
I'll tell you, I bet when they do get sick, it's probably pretty
bad, to the point where eventually one of those illnesses probably kills them,
you know, at you know, at age fifty or something like that.
What are your thoughts on disease diseases spreading to them? Now, let's of
course humans, we're not really around bigfoots very much, otherwise there'd be more
pictures of them, you know. I think that's fair to say. But
what about spreading diseases to each other or maybe you know, other animals like
birds for example, birds are filthy, nasty, horrible things. They spread
disease all over the place. What do you think of sasquatches catching diseases from
them? Makes sense that I know that the polar bears with their seal hunting
not going. There's a planned because of the ice flows, you know,
changes in that that they've switched to the logo klan went cliffs and stuff and
just eat eggs and hatchlings of all the all the sea birds and that they
I know, they've gotten some. They just got the first one. What's
that H five N one bird flu they just found in the first polar bear
up there. Yeah, I mean, birds are kind of filthy things,
you know. I guess most biology is kind of filthy at the end of
the day. But yeah, it makes you wonder. But it seems to
me the sasquatches probably live a fairly isolated life in a lot of ways,
you know, fairly isolated. Of course, they want to they want to
kill deer, so you know that deer. What is it? The deer
wasting disease? Is that what that is? It's a chronic wasting, chronic
wasting disease. There makes you kind of wonder if that's going to spread.
They say it can't spread to humans though at this point, you know,
they whoever they are, they say this that may change as things evolve further,
because everything's always evolving, you know, and and uh, these things
change. It's a problem with especially with the microscopic level, these like microbes
and stuff. They're changing pretty quick. I think for the most part,
maybe something like that will start affecting them. But you know, without you
know, learning more about sassquatches or you know, proven the species is real,
we'll never know. And as doctor Krantz says, and if they do
go slowly extinct without anybody knowing about them, then in a way, in
a weird sort of way, it's no loss, which is a weird thing
to say, but there's some truth in there. There is some truth in
there, so not much but a little. Yeah. I guess you can't
lose what you don't know about. But for us, you know, we'd
be weeping. We'd be weeping in our pillows. Oh god, yeah,
yeah, more than usual. That's a lot, I know. I know.
Well, hopefully that answers Pete's question a little bit. In Missouri love,
I love Missouri. That's a lovely place. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Well, anyway, do you want to cueue up the next message there for
us. Hello Cliff and Bobo. My name is Gabriel from Sunny Los Angeles.
I have a bigfoot related question and a non related bigfoot question. Let's
start with a non related bigfoot question. First, Cliff, I heard in
a previous podcast you bring you own bruce. What type of bruce do you
make? Pale als IPAs apple cider? Now fourthy bigfoot related question. My
friend asked me a good question to which I was stumped. If a TV
show such as The Proof is out There Expedition, Bigfoot, et cetera records
a bigfoot, would they want to display it in the newspapers and magazines first
and air the episode later. The best regards and happy squatching. Yeehaw.
Well, I guess let's do the non bigfoot one first. Yeah, I've
been brewed in a while. I just haven't been drinking as much actually lately,
but but I do enjoy beer. I love a great beer, and
when I was brewing beer with regularity, it tended to be I p as,
but I always for me personally, I like I pas. Don't get
me wrong, but I kind of lean towards pale ales now, you know,
Like I think my favorite go to beer that's readily available in most places
is Sierra Nevada pale Ale. That that's that, That's what I'd like to
do a little bit of hops. So it used to be I p as,
but then when I moved to the Pacific Northwest, I mean up here
in Oregon and whatever else, I mean, we're this is beer country,
and the I p as up here are just extreme. You know, they're
just extreme. It's it's like, yeah, I'm gonna take some I'm gonna
ferment some vix Vapo rub, you know, and then uh and then drink
that. You know. That's kind of what the the I p as up
here can go towards if you're not careful, because they just like really take
it to a whole different level. So I've learned that, uh, I
just don't have the palette for a harsh I PA. So I kind of
go to the pale ales like a little bit hops, but not not that
much because up here it's just something different. But I have brewed a bunch
of other stuff that I find interesting. I also like a nice like stout
or something like that with a little tinge of sweet in there. Really,
I did some milk stouts for a couple of years. Those are fantastic.
Yeah, so that's kind of my gig there. I gravitate towards the pale
ales and then the stouts and maybe the porters and that sort of stuff too.
So that's the beer question. But you know, I also make meat.
Meat is a lot of fun. Which meat, of course is the
first, probably likely the first fermented drink of all humankind, which is fermented.
Honey, did you stay about one? You say, vy Cliff,
that you've made last year or two years ago, whatever I've got. You
know what meat takes. So when I make meat, I brew it up
or whatever and then it sits for two years. So yeah, I have
a fair amount of meat lining around. If you do want it, it
is at the house. I'll put it inside your trailer. Yeah you promised
me. Oh yeah, no problem, no problem. I got a couple
of things I need to give you actually, because people tend to send me
things to get them. Yeah, like you should be a little bit more
readily available for the people, so I don't have to have like a you
know, a whole like toat in my house devoted to bobo stuff. You
know, I'm sorry it's a right. I was throating your trailer. You
can feel bad about that. By the way, Bobo's Bobo's trailer is still
not for sale unless you give him an offer he can't refuse. So hopefully
we'll get some of those in or whatever. Oh and then so anyway,
meat, I'm interested in meads because it's a lot of fun. You know,
meads are kind of unusual. The last couple of meds I made,
though, were kind of sickly sweet in a way, because I think meats
should be sweet. Because the first batch I made, I use a champagne
yie and it came out real dry, and that's not really my taste.
But I don't know, I got to find somewhere in between. I'm interested
in meat. That's a whole culture of meat I'm not aware of. You
know, like if you could, if you tinge it with sage, you
know, if you then it's then it's called this. If you use this
kind of spice in it, it's called this other name. It's just so
much. It's this giant world of fermented, fermented drink out there that I'm
not super acquainted with. I just dabble, and I do enjoy it.
But anyway, next part it was the Bigfoot question. But but what are
your thoughts on that, Like, if one of these shows, like Finding
Bigfoot or Expedition Bigfoot or whatever, it actually gets gets real footage, what
do you think the what would happen to it? They would make a huge
deal out of it and get it out, probably as fast as they could,
and just you know, try to keep the clamps on it not getting
out, you know, leaking to the public ahead of time, and then
just do a huge I'm sure they'd run it on Discover, the main channel
for sure. Yeah, I think so too. I think I think they
exploit it as much as they like. We would obviously go because we'd tell
our friend. Word would just get out. There's you know, you got
fifteen people that are working on the show, plus you know, I think
there's no not going to tell Barter or you know someone like that. Oh
yeah, yeah, I would blab about it right away. I would like
everybody who knows me personally would know about it. Then you can't keep something
like that secret. Yeah, And of course the proof is out there is
a kind of a different show though, because proof is out there. The
one I'm kind of work on now is like they they go out and find
clips and they get they they pay a licensing fee to the owners of them,
and that kind of thing, and then some nerd like me talks about
them on the air. And there have been real clips you know, on
Proof is out there. Any Patterson Gimlin film has been on there. The
Freeman footage has been on There's been a fair number of clips that I think
are probably real on there, and a whole lot of stuff that isn't.
And of course I've talked about that before in the show. The producers are
more than happy to let me say my truth about them. And again,
I don't watch any of the shows that I'm in really, so I don't
know how I'm edited up. But hopefully they do a good job with me.
I trust them, so hopefully they do. Yeah. But I think
if any of these shows got actual, real footage, everybody and their mother
would know about it. They would be there would be such a commercial marketing
push for that piece of footage. It would be ridiculous. Everybody would know
about it. Yeah, I stul they got some plan, like you know,
the kind of leak that it's coming, or it would be out that
it's coming. Then you know they wouldn't let it out run away, don't
think they you know, they'd milk it. They'd have you know, they'd
pop up like a bunch of episodes before, like you know, we run
a bunch of the episodes from before, and you know, just build the
height train as much as possible and then boom, because once it's out and
doesn't come back to watch it on those channels, it'll be on the internet.
Ever, we're gonna just look it up, you know. Oh,
and they'll recycle it, you know, forever. Basically, it's like it's
like that hoax snowalker footage from back in the day where the things you know
that they fake that the bottom feeding production companies like faked and then they made
it. They said this could this be real? And they do meldrum into
it for a second, and he had some positive things to say about it,
and who knows what he really said, because you know, editing is
he busted them. He first and he thought it looked really good, and
then he identified the plants and said it was not in the Himalayas, it
was in Sierra Nevadas, and so he kind of got he kind of didn't
fall for it, fall for it, but he was. He was open,
like he was intrigued. And then he when he figured out it wasn't
real, he came out and just said, no, this isn't real after
all. Yeah, that's the thing man. And because and because the producers
always showed I mean, you've been on these shows, bubs, you know.
But for the people who haven't, like they put it, so,
what could you say about it that's positive? They always say something like that
to you. They oh, well, it is walking bipedally, it is
all one color, and that does look rather large or whatever. And they
say, okay, now why do you not think it's real? Oh,
here's why. And then I give a laundry list of fifty things and they
don't use any of those. So they just kind of use whatever footage fits
their narrative best. You know. It's kind of sad in that way.
And again, one more time, I'm going to go unplug that documentary.
I think everybody who enjoys any sort of television like this at all really should
watch that documentary Science Friction. Go watch it, and then it'll give you
a new lens through which you can watch these shows. And say, man,
I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure that's real. So anyway,
go check that one out. Yeah, but that's snow walker footage.
They've used it, you know, they used it back then for the original
episode. They use it for World's Greatest Hoaxes a few years later. It's
going to it's surfacing again, I see on television at some point here,
not too long. Yeah, they just keep regurgitating these hoaxes and keep milking
it for money. You know, That's what these networks and stuff do.
I mean, that's why they exist. They exist to earn money, and
they're going to find every way they can do it. And one of the
ways to earn money is get real sasquatch footage and go nuts with it.
It would be a really big thing. That's why, you know, I'm
assuming anything. I've said it before. If any of these shows get anything
that's actually real, I'm going to hear about it before you know, the
History Channel puts it on the air. We all will if you're in the
Bigfoot community at all. So I hope that answers Gabriel's question down there,
and Lovely Los Angeles hope the winners aren't too harsh on you, Gabriel.
I'm sure it's dropping into the upper fifties. It was cole for La.
When when I left it was forty eight degrees. Oh really, Oh my
god. The forties. Yeah, they were like they were like everyone was
talking like, you know, like sitting in the forties tonight, bring your
tropical plants inside. Yeah, exactly. The low here yesterday was negative one.
Oh god, that's it's pretty insane for it that never happens here.
Yeah, when all that wind is blown, the temperature was twelve and with
the wind chill it was negative eight. Yeah. All right, this is
the last voicemail and then we'll go to the written questions. Okay, whatever
you say, Boss, Hey, Cliff, Hey, Bobo. I'm Alex
Kilbosa. I'm an amateur bigfoot researcher in the East Texas Boggie Creek area,
and I was runnering where in Texas y'all thought was the best bigfoot hotspots or
any good reports from recent reports from that region. Thank you and love the
show. Dude kill that's my nickname. That was my alias in high school
in college, Norm Kilbasa. It reminded me of the whole thing where you
guys were debating about which of you would be like ribbi or t bone or
flank steak. Oh, that's cool, that's right, Alex. Thanks for
the question. Man. You know what I remember most from our our Texas
episodes is that every time we went there or you know, in a western
Louisiana or you know, that corner of the world, basically it always seemed
to come back to the Sabine River. Yeah. Yeah, I mean everything
like the lakes we were at they had they were tributary or like they emptied
into the Sabine or Sabing emptied into them or something like that. It always
came down to the Sabine River and Sam Houston down south. Oh yeah,
it's a different kind of section there. So if you're south, yeah,
Sam Houston's and then get with saving. I mean within anything within like thirty
miles in Louisiana seems really good. Yeah. And when we were in eastern
Texas, I remember one time we base out of Luffkin. Yeah, do
you remember that because of McDonald's commercial, Like Andy the sound guy kept saying,
I'm luffing its Gramps, who's been a guest on the podcast, by
the way, So everybody can go back and listen to that. So,
yeah, Grandpa is great. And of course his name is Andy. It's
not really Grandpa, but he's gramps to us. Yeah, that whole area
down there, the Sabine River seems to tie a lot of that stuff together.
So I think any of those spots, the bottom lands and whatever else
would be a great place to go see where the Sabine River empties into some
swamps or that. But I don't honestly don't have anything that's recent from the
area. Oh there's stuff, there's stuff. Yeah. Yeah, My ear's
not not to the ground down there, you know, So I don't know
what's going on there and there. It's hard to be aware of everywhere.
I mean, money Maker is good at that, you know, because he
has that nationwide thing with the BFRO. I'm really just focused on my corner
of the world up here, you know, stuff I can do something about.
Well, that textar condment of that whole texts comment is awesome too,
it is. It's really good. Well, Matt you you you hang out
there, I mean you've done some stuff down to that that zone before,
haven't you, not specifically in Texas? But yeah, I was going to
say you should definitely check out our good friend, one of my best friends,
Mike May's book, The Value of the Apes. The first third of
that book or so is about field research in portions of Texas. And then
of course Lyle Blackburn's Texas Bigfoot. Those two books would be a great resource.
And Bobo like Shreveport is right across the border. You've done a lot
of stuff. You've gone back for seconds or thirds back in Shreeport, right,
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's where we saw that giant one.
Yeah, and Cattle Lake is in that area that has long history. It's
stuff all throughout there. But yeah, the focus on the riverways, riverways
in that area, forested areas and river ways, I think you can't go
wrong. There's a lot of places down there that hold them. Yeah,
totally, totally, And not a lot of people are out there looking for
him. And of course it's not too far east. But Tyler, Texas,
I really like Tyler, Texas. I know that witness that with the
face smudge that's on display here at the North American Bigfoot Center where a sasquatch
came up and looked inside the window and left a smudge of goo on the
wall on the glass as it was looking through of Seabam. I think the
term is for that oily stuff on your skin. And I talk about my
thermal siding of a sasquatch in North Carolina, but I may have seen one
outside of Tyler. I'm not sure, but I don't talk about that one
so much because it was at such a distance, but a tall, dark
figure walking by pal Lee through a powerline cut as I was zipping down the
highway. So I don't know if that was one or not, but that's
I saw it right outside of Tyler, Texas. So good area. Stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back
after these messages we got rick Yarmy's messages. Thank you for continuing to do
such a great job every week. I only listened to a few podcasts each
week, and this is by far and away my favorite. If you're in
a place that gentleman's been on, which region in the USA or Canada will
be the first to prove it wasn't for all that sasquatches are real? Where
do you think it will happen? First? I say North Carolina because of
the Darby or cuts. North Carolina State University Sasquatch evidence investigation. Yeah,
I guess so. I mean I wasn't thinking along those avenues, but I
think you're probably right. That didn't occur to me. But yeah, North
Carolina University doing that DNA study, I think has a very very high probability
of being the first. The settles come from all over the world. But
yeah, that's that's sort you're gonna hear about it from there. But yeah,
the settle could be from anywhere. Yeah, that's true, that's true.
But now now let's take the let's take the laboratory out of this.
What do you think about that. Yeah, it's impossible. It really could
be. I mean it could be could come out of San Diego, could
come out of New York. You know, it could be Iowa. I
mean, who knows. I don't know if that answers anything, Rick,
but that's what you got. But for some reason, you keep continuing to
come back and listen to us every week, and we really really do appreciate
that. I suppose it's just like hanging out with Cliff and Bobo and Matt.
Really that's why white people keep coming back for more. Yeah, I
was thinking about that earlier. Like, uh, like, I'm so surprised
and humbled and astonished in a lot of ways that people keep coming back and
listening to our podcast, you know, and I'm very appreciative of it.
Surprising and flattering it is, it is equally so. Anyway, why don't
we go to the next question? This one comes from Shane gill Christ or
Gilchrist or guile Christ. I don't know Gilchrist gil Christ. All right,
Hey, this is Shane from Alberta, Canada. Do you think Canada has
more Sasquatch than the lower forty eight states and we don't have as many reports
due to the vast land area dash smaller populations to make reports. Thanks,
yes, next question? Please, No, I'm just kidding. Yeah,
yeah, that's absolutely the reason. That's absolutely the reason. Most of Canadians,
most of the Canadians live close to the border, and most of Canada
is not close to the border, certainly, and pretty much most of Canada
is great bigfoot habitat, so Sasquatch I think are more plentiful in Canada,
agreed. I remember we said it before. I mean British Columbia alone is
larger than Washington, Oregon and California combined. You know, British Columbia is
not the only province up there that has sasquatches in it. No, No,
not at all. Yeah, I think there's a ton of bigfoots up
there, a bevy of them. But without more people, more people will
never know. So I guess, I guess what we're actually doing is encouraging
Canadians to multiply. All right, Well, we got the next one from
Nathan Craig. What was one of the what was one thing each of you
struggled with most early on in your journey in the field of sasquatch, whether
it be pushed back from people or difficulties with research time, et cetera.
I think for the early part it was more just the information was you didn't
have the internet, you know, you couldn't just go online and look stuff
up and find hotspots or talk to people, and it was you you got
to be really boots on the ground to get you know, to find uh,
to get information and find out where to go and what time of year
these places are having them. And yeah, in my early days, I
was in Long Beach, California, So it was geography, you know,
I mean, because I got introduced to the subject through the science literature and
mostly doctor Krantz at the time, and doctor Krantz mostly focused on the Pacific
Northwest because that's where he lived. He didn't have a lot of good information
for me to the Rockies. He didn't have a lot of the contacts and
all that sort of stuff, so he focused on the information and the evidence
that he has. First he had first hand knowledge of and all pretty much
all of it came from here, basically, so in Southern California. What
I really wasn't aware that they were in Southern California until later. And even
at that point, I thought, well, they're probably just you know,
moving through or something like that. I didn't realize that there were probably pockets
of them down there, and I don't I see even today, I still
don't know a lot of the habits of these things in the Southern California mountains
because up here in the Pacific Northwest, where I moved to, they don't
have to move very far. They don't have to get around very far because
everything they need is in like a small area, which which is why I'm
pretty sure that they're not moving around very much here. They're not migrating very
far, at least up here in the Pacific Northwest southern California. I don't
know, all bets are off, you know, from the Sierras to the
Hashbee Mountains into the Angelus Crest and all that stuff. They might have to
move a great distance. They may not have to move anywhere. I don't
know. I'm inclined to think they probably don't move around. But nonetheless,
so it was geography for me and time as well, because you know too,
I started going to like Bluff Creek, because that's where a lot of
people start their bigfoot, you know, endeavors is by going to the Holy
Land, you know, Bluff Creek and like poking around there. And that
was a twelve hour drive from Long Beach, California. Time off and geography
was the thing I had the most trouble with all the other stuff I pushed
back from people and all that stuff that came later on, I just became
more sensitive to other people criticizing me personally for my hobbies. That kind of
bothered me later on in my career. But in the early days, it
was time and geography. I guess I didn't consider that my career back then,
I consider that more when I moved up north. Yeah, of course,
I bounced around for a while trying to find out where I was going
to be before I settled up here. My own regret about moving was that
I didn't do it ten years earlier. Long Beach is a great place to
grow up, especially for musicians and stuff. And you know, when I
was out playing the gigs and Black played the whiskey of Go Go, and
I did all that kind of stuff up and down the Sunset Strip and had
a lot of musician friends, and I still do. But you know,
at the end of the day, I just, I guess I just enjoyed
being in the woods more than a beer soaked loud club waiting for the crappy
band that went on before a stand. I hope that answers your question,
Nathan, Thanks for offering it to us. The next question comes from Wesley
O'Quinn. What's the best footage that you guys have seen that the rest of
us haven't des falls. Yeah, there's some stuff from the Rison project that
looks really good, and there's other stuff that I think is fake. But
like there's some I do like some of the clips from the Ericson Project The
Female Walking Away. Yeah, that one's pretty intriguing. Or yeah, i'd
like to see him again. I've spent many years since I've seen them,
but hopefully they'll make that public someday and people can check it out. I've
seen I've seen game cam photos that are that are good that are aren't released,
but not so much, not so much video. All the stuff I've
heard that's insane. That's gonna blow my mind when I see it. I'm
like, what are you looking at? Oh? I know, I've seen
so many blob squatches that people say, no, it's suggests every bit as
good as the Patterson give one film. You can see the fingernails and I'm
looking at it and say, I don't see anything, man, what do
you? What are you on? The thermal footage? I saw that.
Hopefully I can find some time in my archives from the Border Patrol that was.
That wasn't great footage, but I mean, you know, a thing
was fifty percent bigger than any other person on the screen. That's another I've
seen some good Yeah, I've seen those good game cam photos from Oregon and
then Tennessee. Yeah, or what about the there was one from two or
three years ago that money Maker briefly put on Twitter and I think he erased
it, or maybe it's still out there from Georgia. The thing was walking
behind a deer feeder or something like that. It was. I like that
one. I think that one's legit. That one's pretty cool. You know,
I'll go back. I like I like Joe Purdue's footage. That one's
not played very much. I think that one deserves more attention, you know.
But yeah, but it's it's I don't know that just doesn't receive the
attention or something like that. But I think that one's pretty cool. Yeah,
that's good. There's a bunch, yeah there are. I like that
one that you sent from the Alaskan Indigenous people with that thing peeking over the
back of the ATV. That scared the hell out of me. Man,
that was scary. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones.
There's a lot of pretty decent ones out there, and there's a lot of
really mediocre or poor ones as well that I think are real. Like one
mediocre one that I that I do like, and I do think it's real,
even though other people give a lot of pushback to it. Is Moneymakers
pancake footage from the Erickson Project. Yeah, people have seen that, you
know, not very many. You'd be surprised. I mean, I mean,
remember Bubble, We're dealing with people that a lot of these people,
it wasn't for our podcast and a couple other things, they wouldn't know who
John Green is. They certainly, you know, they wouldn't They certainly don't
know what the pancake footage is or the Ericson project. You know, a
lot of people are kind of new to the field because it just happened to
stumble upon their fascination with sasquatches relatively recently. They may not know anything about
the pancake footage. And it was posted briefly on Cryptomundo back in the day,
a blog that I'm not even sure it's up anymore. I don't know.
Then all hell broke loose and there were lawsuits around and all sorts of
nutty things happened, and then it was taken down. So after that,
I think they got real touchy about posting things. So I'm not sure what's
going on with any of that, but I like the pancake footage and Moneymaker
got it. Matt got it. Matt has actually filmed them twice from what
I understand, the pancake footage, and he went through extraordinary efforts to get
that, extraordinary efforts to get that. I'm like the he put a camera
in inside of a trailer, if I remember, right inside of a trailer
that was parked on the property, like one hundred and one hundred and fifty
yards away or more. The camera was inside the cub in the kitchen in
the trailer on the back wall, with the door of the cupboard open,
looking out a open an open window on the other side of the trailer through
a telephoto lens that was in all the way in night vision with nine hundred
and forty animeters ir in illumination like extraordinary lengths and got the footage, and
I guess he films a part of one. He says it's terrible and you
can't really tell what it is, but he thinks it's legit or something like
that in Ohio back in the day. And I've never seen that footage,
although i'd like to, just as he says, it's terrible and you can't
see anything, but I would still like to see it, just you know,
for the completest. I don't know, there's a lot of good footage
out there. I just looked up Crypto Mondo and the last thing he posted
was in February twenty twenty three. Oh really, Okay, well that's actually
more recent than I thought it would be. That's interesting. Yeah, there's
some twenty there's about six from twenty two, three, one from twenty twenty
one, and two or three from twenty twenty. Then twenty nineteen is when
he was really posting a lot interesting. And of course Craig will Heater is
the guy who runs that, and he's been a guest on this podcast before
and maybe I don't know if he listens regularly or anything like that, but
wouldn't it be fun if he get there some giant boost from our listenership to
go to cryptomndo And he says, why are all these people coming to the
all of a sudden If you go back to their stuff, that was the
site to go to you for a long time. Oh yeah, it was
one of the best, one of the best back back in the Bigfoot Forum
days, you know, which is still around as well, but it's not
not as many people go there as back in the day, you know,
No, not at all. Yeah, there were a couple of go to
websites that there were a lot of fun to go check out back in the
day before Facebook ruined everything and took everybody away, all these different places.
All right, So is that for that one? I think? So we
got Michelle Clark. Are there pieces of evidence that were presented to you during
the filming of Funny Big Thing that you have now determined to be fake?
Yeah, London Tracks, I think we're a big part of it. The
producers, other producers. No, the producers are good. Well again,
you know, networks and production companies, they've got no dog in this fight.
You know, they don't care. They're just after the advertising revenue because
that's a business and that's the business model. And they were foolish enough to
hire us, people who did care about the subject and the evidence. All
sorts of shenanigans went on between us, man like we were just it might
say shenanigans, I mean, like disagreements between us and them and whatever about
the evidence, because we were focused on the evidence. As far as we're
concerned, we're going big footing on Animal Planet's dime. And of course,
you know, production company and Animal Plan in the network. Now, Animal
Planet was great. I don't want I'm not talking smack about them at all,
but they were making a TV show. That's just the way it goes.
And I'm sure if they would have hired actors, they would have had
a much easier time filming things. But clearly we're not actors. You can
tell by you know, those rare occasions where we had to actually act on
TV. But yeah, we were real bigfooters, and the evidence was the
most important thing, even to the point where I hid evidence from the product
from the production company because they were just going to put it back and put
it in their office, and I made sure that they couldn't get their hands
on it before it was copied. They didn't like that. They were pretty
pissed at me. Too bad, Too bad. Luckily I went behind their
backs, gave the evidence to Matt Preuet's mother, who they didn't know,
and then you know, worked out a deal with them later so we can
copy the cast and stuff that we got. So it was squirreled away in
pizza boxes after Bobo and I destroyed some pizza together, that's right. So
that's the second pizza box story that's been told on this podcast. That was
November's only section, wasn't it. No, it was. It was included
as a hidden feature after the credit, So listeners, if you haven't heard
it, Happy hunting. There's only two hundred and forty five previous episodes,
so get on it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. Will be right back after these messages. This is the last question,
by the way, and it is a porn man. It's a porn
man, Lance Underwood. Okay, well, some people are lucky enough to
be born with porn names, so who knows. But anyway, Lance Lance
Underwood, this is your question. Hey guys, I was just listening to
the last few shows that I missed over the holidays, and Cliff was saying
that he doesn't think that a sasquatch would have a twenty inch long foot.
I'm six foot six, three hundred pounds and I have a sixteen inch long
foot. I find it hard to believe that a large sasquatch wouldn't have a
way bigger foot than I do. Why is it that you believe that they
wouldn't have a larger foot. I gotta see this, guys, I got
to see this point measured at sixteen inches, it is a porn star all
right, right, well, you know you know how the foot correlates,
right, good point. Now, Lance, I'd like to say that we're
not questioning your claim, but I think we actually are at this point.
Can you please send us a picture of your foot next to a tape measure
that's figger than shack. That's insane. Yeah, because I have a pair
of Shaquilla and Eel's shoes in the museum. Shaquilla and Eiel was briefly being
courted by Nike. He came to Nike's place and they made him a pair
of shoes. He played basketball. He went with some other company, right,
but those shoes still existed, and they ended up passing through one of
the employees to a person to Larry Lund, who donated them to the museum.
And shacks feed are fourteen inches long, fourteen fourteen and a half inches
long, and he's seven to two or something like seven foot one. He's
a big poy. So yeah, I would look. I mean again,
we're kind of questioning in the way we're not, you know, but at
the same time, I'm mostly fascinated. Can you please put your foot down
next to a sixteen inch like ruler, well, you know that tape measure
of some sort and send that to me. I mean, I would love
to display that picture. I'd be yeah for presentations and stuff like there's a
human with a seen inch foot. But I think it's like, yeah,
measuring other things like some guys overestimate or embellish. Yeah, and you know
what, heck man, why don't you send me Send me an email North
American Bigfoot Center at gmail dot com that goes to my museum. Send me
an email. I would like to speak to you about getting a cast of
your foot. I think that would be really cool. I remember when we
were down at the Film and Find a Bigfoot in Oregon. We had that
guy from Eugene who was the second tallest man in organ He was seven foot
two if remember correctly. We have pictures of the guy and I asked him
to walk through the sand and I cast his footprints and they are about thirteen
and a half inches long. They are human as hell look, and they're
so narrow and long. Of course, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
I would love to have a cast of your feet if they are actually sixteen
inches long. So Lance Underwood, if that is indeed your real name,
I would love you to reach out to me and we can arrange something.
I will pay for shipping and all that other stuff I want to see or
feet. I don't think I've ever said that to a band before, But
yeah, do they have twenty inch feet? Maybe? But what I the
reason I doubt that is because the big eight and a half footers tend to
have feet around the sixteen inch range. Okay, now sixteen inches and twenty
inches. Yeah, it's a four inch difference. It's pretty that's a pretty
big difference for the most part. But what I really doubt is that people
have all these sorts of claims about exceptionally large feet and whatever, and in
some human minds that makes them more believable or like, oh my god,
listen to my story, I'm super bitch and you know, and so they
exaggerate and whatever else. The larger the feet, the less likely it is
it'd be real. Most the vast majority of mind I have, I think
probably technically at this point, the largest Sasquatch footprint cast collection in the world,
and there's nothing close to twenty inches. The close sege is about eighteen
eighteen and a half, which I guess is technically close to twenty inches,
and that particular cast was made by a fourteen inch foot. We know that
because we have other casts of that same individual's foot. So I think these
larger casts in the data set. And again I don't if I have a
cast as twenty inches, that's because there's overflow from the impression of the foot
itself. I think that people exaggerate, and I think that people don't even
big footers, the vast majority of big footers, almost nobody, I'll even
say, understands the dynamic interaction of the foot between and the substrate. You
know, they just don't understand that. So, oh, I got this
cast is a twenty inch print, you know. And then so you're trying
to convince me by saying it's big, a twenty inch print, it's so
big that it can't be human, I think is really what your argument is.
But do you understand how feet interact with the soil as they move along,
especially up and down slopes. I doubt that it took me decades to
really wrap my head around, you know. And the reason I only reason
I am somewhat familiar with. It is just the sheer number of casts I
have and how many times I've seen footprints and casts and all that sort of
stuff. So yeah, it's it possible they have twenty Yeah, sure man,
Yeah, sure, it's possible. Yeah, likely, I doubt it.
I think most Sasquatch footprints feet actual feet. By the way, most
Sasquatch feet top out probably around the sixteen maybe seventeen inch range. Could be
wrong, but I've not seen any evidence to convince me that I'm wrong.
But I sure would like to see your feet. If Lance at six foot
six has a foot that's twenty five percent longer than seven foot one Korea Abdul
Jabbar, I'll be amazed. Well, you know, I just looked.
I did a quick Google search. Here the world's largest foot ever recorded,
largest foot ever recorded belongs to a man named Robert Wadlow. Wadlow is one
of the most most famous people in the world ever lay he stood eight feet
eleven inches tall. Yeah, his shoe size was thirty seven double A and
each foot measured one point five four feet long, which comes out to eighteen
and a half inches. So I guess it's possible. He could barely walk.
Yeah, yeah, that was a problem. But uh, Lance Underwood
here, it is only six and a half feet tall. I guess it's
possible. It's definitely possible. But Lance, I really want to see your
feet, man, that's really cool if that's true, and again, email
me, email us, let us know. And I want to get casts
of your foot to highlight the differences between a large human foot and a sasquatch
foot. So yeah, please please please email me. I want to display
your foot cast in the museum. Who they got me all fired up?
All right, Well, there you go, folks. There's That was the
last question for this month's Q and A, or at least the regular episode.
But when I are going to go off and do the members section now,
or we just take questions from members, that'll be a lot of fun
as well. We get a little looser over in the member section, pipes
in a little bit more often, and there's a little bit less editing for
idiocy, which is probably the most common kind of editing we do here.
If you would like your question answered, well, you got to ask us,
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And it's a lot of fun. We really do enjoy these particular app
At least I really enjoy these episodes because we don't know the questions that are
coming. Matt prot hides all that from us until we actually read it on
the screen in front of us and answer it as we're recording. So it's
kind of a fun episode to do for us here, Buba, Any last
thoughts before we split? No? Cool, me too, neither. All
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