WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:07.360 This is the baseline, discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. Welcome 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.359 everybody, you're tuned to the baseline Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of 3 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:16.000 the NBA. And as I am, and I don't know if my man 4 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.719 is. He always looks pretty good every day he jumps on in front of 5 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:22.359 the camera. But as I'm rocking the scruffy look, that's pretty much the 6 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:27.760 first thing I think of when we talk about the landscape of the NBA Eastern 7 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:33.679 and Western Conference stretch run to figuring out what is going on in the playoffs. 8 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:38.159 Just when a week removed, we sit here and we give but seems 9 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:45.880 like very plausible idea of predictions. Again, change happens, and so we're 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:50.079 going to continue to keep seeing this until we finally have a landing spot for 11 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:57.079 all sixteen teams eventually playing themselves with an opportunity for a chance at the playoffs. 12 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:00.439 And you know, clearly it's all about who gets in and who doesn't. 13 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.040 But as always, man, we got to keep talking about it because 14 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:04.840 that's what we love to do. So let me go and roll out the 15 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.079 red carpet to my right hand man's WWW dot Shark Sports, sat, Nepick, 16 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.599 Unip and C. My man, mister Warren Sharp ripping out of Fort 17 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:17.319 Lauda to Florida. It's good Shaw. How do you like the scruffy hey 18 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:18.879 man, I'm trying to be like you, you know what I mean, 19 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:23.040 started growing up my little my beard a couple months ago and trying to get 20 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.079 on you know that that's so unlike you as they say, that's that's so 21 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.959 unlike you. That's it's never been you. Has the NBA changed you so 22 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.040 to such a degree? And it's funny because I tell my wife father times, 23 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.000 I feel like, I think this might be a bad luck beard. 24 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.120 I've had a lot of rough things happening, so I might need to cut 25 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:42.920 this joint all the way off. I'm gonna get back to some sense of 26 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.239 normality. But the NBA, is he alluded to, continues to be the 27 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.280 quite opposite of that. Lots of wild things continue to happen. As as 28 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.719 they say, you know, the hip hop's hand goes it was all good 29 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:55.760 a week ago, and a lot of things have changed in the last week, 30 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.959 and I think will continue to change as a season closes itself out. 31 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:04.159 You know the guy who was probably putting those lyrics down right, And you 32 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.799 know, I know Ice Cube was responsible for that, for that song, 33 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:09.639 for that line, but if it was a New York rapper, it was 34 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:13.520 all good thirty six hours ago. And I don't think you can find really 35 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.439 anything to follow up on that if you're trying to drop a hot sixteen or 36 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.599 whatever the case may be. So you know, yeah, that's just the 37 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.520 landscape of what's going on right now in the in the NBA, and I 38 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:30.599 think what's interesting to me SHAW is it's really hard to tell, you know, 39 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:37.400 which teams I think really wanted that badly. And I'm not saying that 40 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:39.599 to say that none of the teams are playing competitively. I'm not saying. 41 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:45.199 What I'm saying is is I don't know if whether or not teams genuinely care 42 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:49.840 if they're in the play in or if they're actually trying to make it outside 43 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.240 of it. I think just been the way of the streakiness, right, 44 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:54.840 So it's either one of two things. It's either that the teams are just 45 00:02:55.000 --> 00:03:00.840 really from a matchup perspective, a competitive perspective really that even kill like any 46 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:06.520 given night a team can get got minus injuries, or you know, some 47 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:07.520 of these teams, man, they just don't give a what. You know 48 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.159 what I'm saying, like they just just genuinely just like, you know what, 49 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:15.240 as long as we're in and we'll let the chips fall where they may 50 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:20.719 sort of speak. Maybe that's the exasperation of pushing so hard to do something 51 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:24.080 that you know, genuinely they may not be strategizing themselves for the long haul 52 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.800 or preparing themselves on the long haul for because it's so much game to game 53 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:30.479 to game to game, you know what I'm saying, whether you lend itself 54 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.719 be at the schedule or just because of the personnel that the coach has to 55 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.080 work with that night, or whatever the case may be. I'm just saying, 56 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.199 it's like, it's the streakiness of teams is just so out of the 57 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:43.960 realm right now, you know. And I'm not just pointing to any one 58 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.360 particular team. I'm even talking about teams at the top top end of it. 59 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.360 You know, the other night, we're talking about all the Boston Celtic 60 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.039 is clinched after taking an l to the Utah Jazz. It's right, and 61 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:58.680 the Utah Jazz a few moments ago, we're hanging around, and now they're 62 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.120 they're they're on the outside, almost on the outside looking in, trying to 63 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:03.800 get into the play in. So it's it's so fluid. I hate using 64 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.560 the Steven eight term, but I mean he's a mastermind for it, because 65 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.599 it really genuinely is fluid. Man. Yeah, well, I mean some 66 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.360 teams are playing good basketball right now, and I look no further than to 67 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:17.480 the Philadelphia seventy six ers and the Sacramona Kings. Those are the two hottest 68 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.480 teams right now, especially in the last ten games. Milwaukee right on their 69 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.160 heels, but as you alluded to, Celtics have been struggling. We talked 70 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:28.079 about them already. The Nuggets are now in a tailspin for whatever reason there 71 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.759 and everybody else more or less is right around five hundred or maybe just above 72 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.519 or obviously below. Like it's just really weird. Only two, maybe three 73 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.759 teams are playing great basketball, and you know, I think that's really just 74 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.680 kind of indicative of kind of someone of the parody within the league this year. 75 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.680 And that's what I think. It's going to make for a very very 76 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.759 intriguing playoffs. As they always say, styles make fights, and we'll see 77 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.600 how these playoff matchupes ultimately go. But I think it's very even across both 78 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.279 the East and Western Conference. But Milwaukee and Philadelphia seemed to be having a 79 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.839 little bit of a leg up on all of all the teams out there in 80 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.079 the NBA. Now, com agree with you and like and as always, 81 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.000 man, you know, the focal point will will definitely be over the next 82 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.639 few weeks where where we are where the teams match, you know, land 83 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:13.079 as far as Eastern Conference, Western Conference for the playing picture and also for 84 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.839 the playoffs. But you know, we'd be remissed if if we weren't kind 85 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:21.639 of highlighting where these trends are shifting our eyes towards, because it's really interesting 86 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:26.160 how things are painting out. Like you can, you can clearly see that 87 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.560 out in the Eastern Conference teams handling their business, Celtics, Philadelphia seventy six 88 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.279 ers probably by the time we've record this podcast will probably wind up not put 89 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.600 themselves in a position to clinch the playoffs very easily as well too. Right 90 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.360 now they're actually sitting in a second spot, which is what I find hilarious 91 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.839 to me, is that the Boston Celtics wind up clinching yet by by virtue 92 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.600 of the record. The Philadelphia seventy six ers have eat themselves up into the 93 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.519 second spot, you know, And so I think if you're Joe Missoula, 94 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.319 while it's a great accomplishment, is something that you obviously want to make sure 95 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.560 that you shure up. You want to be one of the top two teams 96 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:00.800 if you've worked as hard to be up there this whole part of the season. 97 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.639 So they got to figure that stuff out. But again, it's just 98 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.839 interesting how things are lining up very quickly over on the eastern side and on 99 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.279 the western side. Everything is still a crapshoot, even because of what we're 100 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.399 seeing from the Denver Nuggets. But let that's not be said. We still 101 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.000 got to handle business. And so while we don't want to miss on the 102 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.399 opportunity of speaking about what clearly we'll be on our minds over the next coming 103 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.000 weeks, next couple of months, which is going to be the playoffs and 104 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:28.240 ultimately the finals. We got to start bodying some teams right like it's that 105 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.399 time of the season, that time of the year, we got to get 106 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.040 into the autopsy reports. So there will be a couple of teams we can 107 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:39.279 safely say are probably not gonna leap frog any of the teams that we will 108 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.839 be talking about in the coming weeks, but we do want to discuss like 109 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.600 what this outcome of the season means and what the future might actually look like 110 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.240 as they're heading themselves into the off season. And so we'll be talking about 111 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:56.000 two teams in particular, the San Antonio Spurs and the Detroit Pistons, And 112 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.360 so get ready for some good conversation, you know what I'm saying, because 113 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.680 maybe good luck will actually you know, I'm saying, land on one of 114 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.680 these two teams organizations for a change, right like instead of you know, 115 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:11.240 the the purgatory that they've been dealing with for so many seasons, you know, 116 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.759 since removed. But we'll get into that. And obviously we got some 117 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:15.639 news and notes we got to discuss. 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But I do think 134 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:24.360 the outlier shaw is that is this a realistic return for him, given what 135 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.800 he's spoken to when he did the interview with Jalen Rose, and given the 136 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:35.679 comments and the perspective that was provided to us via through Adam Silver and the 137 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:41.279 league. And I do find it somewhat interesting because when it comes to something 138 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.360 like this, when you're talking about you know, dealing with stress, you 139 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.879 know, mental well being, health and things of that nature. I just 140 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.960 think it's a very fine line to say that you have gotten yourself right in 141 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.320 less than a week and that you're going to be okay to come in and 142 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.759 play basketball. Well, clearly, this is not has nothing to do with 143 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.919 the game of basketball, more so has to do with your approaches as a 144 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:09.039 person and how you conduct yourself accordingly on and off the basketball court. At 145 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.080 this point, all we can do is take people at their proverbial word and 146 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:18.759 now their actions in terms of following up you know those words. I think 147 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.799 on the outside, from the outside looking in, who might think this is 148 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:26.399 still a little quick for whatever healing might have needed to take place. There's 149 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.279 still a lot of innuendo and rumors about exactly what the cause and the root 150 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.519 of kind of the layers of this piece. It's been very very masked, 151 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.960 I think from the Grizzies standpoint, and even John Moran standpoint to a certain 152 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.440 degree. Intentionally so, I believe it was Mark Spears. I don't want 153 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.480 to put his name out there, and if it wasn't, but a pretty 154 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.240 well connected reporter, you know, said, listen, they were hearing some 155 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.600 things that they weren't sure if it's going to come back at all this year. 156 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.200 Right, So I don't want to say it was Mark Spears, but 157 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.519 a national report I had admit that. So I have to kind of go 158 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.320 back and do my own research on Twitter and figure out exactly who said that. 159 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.720 But I said, wow, you know, reading that it really made 160 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.679 say like, this is whatever's happening is really really serious. You know all 161 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.799 the layers that are that are underneath it that we may not know. But 162 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.039 the Grizzlies have been able to maintain to a certain level, certain degree, 163 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.200 they're still in the hunt for the two seed in the Western Conference still quote 164 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.159 unquote playoff hopell, I mean title hopefuls, I guess. And you know 165 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.639 John Morant wants to come back and help help his team and put all of 166 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.559 this behind him. Time will tell whether or not this was enough time that 167 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.840 he took in essence to get himself together. But I agree with you, 168 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.240 it's it's it's it seems a little quick, but we're not in his head. 169 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.840 We don't know the how how down he really was, how great the 170 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.600 help he received was to kind of get him back to this return to play, 171 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.879 and you know, this is a situation even though I can't, we 172 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.720 don't know exactly what the situation is. Situations like these are all very very 173 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.600 subjective, and it's it's up to that individual to see how much time they 174 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.200 need to heal and out. Ultimately they come back and be um, you 175 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:03.360 know, resembling their former selves. So we'll see how it goes on the 176 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.720 court when you can returns this week at some point. And you know, 177 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.960 I think we're all rooting for him, but a lot of what you've said 178 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.399 makes a lot of sense in terms of, like, hey not let's rush 179 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.360 him to be the face of the league, even the face of the franchise 180 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.279 at this point. You know, take the take the requisite time to get 181 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.720 right, help your teammate, teammates or whatever capacity that you can, and 182 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.919 then also obviously making sure that you're taking yourself off the floor first and foremost. 183 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.200 I don't want to belabor this because I think this is going to be 184 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.200 maybe the theme word for this week is fluid. This is going to be 185 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:35.519 a very fluid situation. I will say this though, to piggyback off of 186 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:41.000 my comments from last week, I spoke more to John Morant and I spoke 187 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:46.559 more to the organization and what they really should be seeing from this, And 188 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.039 I think what I'm going to carry now towards this week after hearing these comments 189 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.120 is this, you know, if you're the if you're the Memphis Grizzlies, 190 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.120 right, and even if you do or you don't want to believe that John 191 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:00.960 Morant is your guy, right, like we see it before, Like they 192 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.759 say good things, but in the back room, you know, they obviously 193 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:09.240 you want to make sure that they have contingency plans to shield the organization from 194 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:13.480 any backlash or things that may take place. But I think, genuinely, 195 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.480 if you believe in and and I often felt that this was always the case 196 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.840 with the Memphis Grizzlies in the organizations, with the players that they've brought in, 197 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.480 what they've built over the last you know, ten plus years, more 198 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:28.559 than a decade, is that they backed their players. And I probably would 199 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.360 have liked to have seen a little bit more of that from the Memphis Grizzlies. 200 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.960 I feel like there is this oh, we didn't realize or oh my 201 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.799 gosh, you know, we're as probably as shocked as you guys. And 202 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.559 I don't know if I'm necessarily buying that. I think this is not about 203 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.679 pr This is about you know, unknowing like the NBA should not know about 204 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.039 this before you as an organization should know about it. And I think that's 205 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.480 where I have some of those concerns. I'm not putting this on Jenkins. 206 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.480 I don't think that this is a Jenkins issue. This is but he is 207 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.120 a part of the organization. I think this is an organizational issue as well 208 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.399 too, that you have to make sure that if you are going to put 209 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.600 out there that you're about the well being of your players, that you want 210 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.159 to be there to make sure that you're fully supporting them and their abilities to 211 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.519 get it right, because I don't know how many opportunities you can get it 212 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.039 right when situations like what we're talking about with job Morant can go so wrong 213 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.279 so quickly. You know what I'm saying, And it's not to identify any 214 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:31.720 particular player. We're just taking specifically this instance and what he is addressing as 215 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.519 what the root cause of a lot of these part of issues should or shouldn't 216 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:37.799 be. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I agree fully there. 217 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.799 I think there's like from what you hear now, Memphis is saying when 218 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.919 they leave towns like, they're not going to hang out. So if they're 219 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.080 in Miami, they don't have another trip to Miami, but anywhere anywhere they 220 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.320 go, they're leaving right after the game. They're not going to hang out 221 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.039 in other cities. So that's what they're saying, you know, to try 222 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.440 to help mitigate some of the issues, so to speak, because we just 223 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.840 there's so many things that I don't genuinely like that though, like that that's 224 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.399 not really solving a problem, that's babysitting. No, I mean, I 225 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.480 mean, well, I mean, but you got to take those teps. 226 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.360 No, I understand, Yes, And I think each team has their own 227 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.600 set of rules and their own ways of handling things, and there's just teams 228 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.240 that are more vocal than others. Miami's very secretive, The Knicks to some 229 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.600 degree, are very secretive, The Spurs are very secretive, whereas teams like 230 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.279 the Lakers, you get a lot of information about them one way or the 231 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.480 other, whether those are leaks or they're happy to put their business out there. 232 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.240 I think Memphis is one of those teams that, hey, they want 233 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.480 to be able to try to protect their star in a way. That they 234 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.639 feel is best for them, and we're not necessarily going to know and be 235 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.039 privy to everything that they're doing in front of the cameras. Behind the scenes 236 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.360 are one way or the other. But at the end of the day said 237 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.240 we're happy he'll be back, and like you, I think what you said 238 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.039 was was poignant. It's a fluid situation, so let's see how it all 239 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.679 goes. Absolutely your tune to the base. Like Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot 240 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.639 button topics of the NBA, as we keep things moving along, Anthony Edwards 241 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:03.000 is going to be out indefinitely, suffered a a pretty for his athleticism. 242 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.840 It seems like it's a pretty severe injury in soul because of the high amount 243 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.840 of pressure guys games that the Timberwolves are playing now at this particular juncture to 244 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:18.600 secure an opportunity for them to be able to participate into play in him being 245 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.799 out indefinitely. Shaw, I mean, you got to think about this unless 246 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.279 you see Karl Anthony Town's you know, really making that return sooner than later. 247 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.120 I mean, what are the realistic chances that we do see the Timberwolves 248 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.679 trying to, you know, put like rush Anthony Edwards back in there, 249 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.879 or if kat does come back, do they kind of like really take their 250 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.960 time and really properly evaluate this for him, you know, given the fact 251 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.279 that you know, this guy's got a long career, you know he's he's 252 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.639 a superstar above anything else. But just at the risk of bringing him back 253 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:52.120 for like a play in situation, if he's not going to be one hundred 254 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.240 percent healthy, I don't know. It's kind of a toss up here. 255 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:58.200 It's tough, It's really tough, and the timing cannot be worse, you 256 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.960 know, as they're really fighting proceeding to stay trying to get in above the 257 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.200 play in line, and doesn't look like you know, that's probable. I 258 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.399 think at this point they'll probably be in the play in tournament itself. You 259 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.559 made a move that I think ultimately helped your team by bringing in Conley and 260 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.120 moving D'Angelo Russell away. But now with Anthony Edwards out and Cats to allow 261 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:23.080 you could use a guy with offensive swagger of D'Angelo Russell because Conley is obviously 262 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.600 more of a distributor or not, you know, a prolific scorer. I 263 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.240 think at the stage of his career, it's just bad timing and can Finch 264 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.240 in company more or less kind of cobbled together a couple of wins. Cat 265 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.720 is still a week or two away from returning, depending on who you talk 266 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.159 to, and indefinite from Anthony Edwards means well, we could be back in 267 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.919 two games, three games, three weeks. We don't We still don't know. 268 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.080 I just feel really bad for this Minnesota team who's had their season really 269 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.399 derailed from the very beginning with the Cat injury, and it's going to be 270 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.559 interesting to see how it finishes out. They have an interesting schedule, they 271 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.200 do get to be masters of their own destiny to some degree, but they 272 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.799 have enough offensive firepower or can they become defensive stalwarts and druggernauts you know which? 273 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.720 I guess it's possible to some degree with some of them personnel that they 274 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:12.240 have now to scrape by and then wait till the offensive reserves kind of come 275 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:15.640 back. Yeah, I think you hit it on the head. Shaw. 276 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.079 I don't know if whether or not this team is going to be able to 277 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:25.799 sustain, you know, the offensive where they are, because even where they 278 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.039 are offensively, they're pretty, they're modern, they're decent. They're not bad, 279 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.119 certainly, you know, not to the level I think a lot of 280 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.920 teams probably with what they had acquired and put together. I think they expected 281 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.279 it to be like maybe a top ten team defensively, especially if Edwards steps 282 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:45.400 up. But this team is pretty I mean decent all things consider defensively, 283 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.799 right, like their tenth defensive rating, and they're eighteenth as far as you 284 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:55.759 know umos points per game, opponent's points per game. So I think, 285 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:56.880 you know, this is going to come down to them, you know, 286 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.839 possessions. I think it's going to come down to them. I think if 287 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.680 they step up defensively, they can give themselves, you know, a chance 288 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.920 or more chances offensively for them to be able to hang. And to your 289 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.079 point, they have a schedule which I think they're able to control their own 290 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.799 destiny. I think this is where we want to start seeing. You know, 291 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.640 I guess a Rudy Gobert resurgence sort of speak, and you know, 292 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.000 that combination of Conley and Gobert, you know, having an impact. I 293 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.440 think more of a physical presence inside I think will help the Minnesota Timberwolves. 294 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:29.920 But it could be too little, too late. And again, you know, 295 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.359 if Finch forces Cat into that lineup. I don't know where that what 296 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.799 goes from that. I don't know what comes from it. I don't know 297 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.839 who may be impacted by that more Gobert, more Cat or Conley, because 298 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:44.680 I think Conley's comfort level to get the ball to Gobert, I think is 299 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.440 their go to situation and go to move couple with their defense. You bring 300 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.240 Cat back into the situation. Now, we got to focus the attention on 301 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.920 feeding Cat the basketball. And we've seen where this is. It's not been 302 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:57.720 a good look where you know, Gobert gets lost in space. So it'll 303 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.680 be interesting to see what they do. Hopefully out of it, they win 304 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.720 some games and they at least maintain themselves to be playing tournament worthy. All 305 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:10.319 right, y'all, let's finalize our news and notes real quick here. There 306 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.039 has been conversations about the Blazers wanting to shut down Dame Damian Lillard. I 307 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.960 know that can't bold well for the conversation that you are having because you had 308 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:22.759 your eye about the Portland Trailblazes figuring out a way to get themselves into the 309 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.640 play in tournament. So the idea that they're even thinking about shutting down Dame 310 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.720 time is not the right time for show time. No, I mean I 311 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.920 think they said they're going to take a look at these next five to six 312 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.680 games and see see where a lands after that, and if they're not able 313 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.920 to make significant headway, then yeah, they'll they'll consider it. I don't 314 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.279 think this is Dame's doing and it's just kicking the tires on on an idea. 315 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.240 But if they fall out of this, they fall to three games back, 316 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.200 you know of the play in line, which seems pretty hard to do 317 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:55.279 based on the competition, like you're really going to be in it till almost 318 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.119 the end of the day, at the end of the season rather, but 319 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.599 you get they're they're they're looking and just saying, hey, he's had a 320 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.039 great seasons. He's reclaimed, you know. I think his name some of 321 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.759 the dirt that wastone on his name by the Domino injury that he had last 322 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:12.400 year and wasn't able to play averaging a career high right now and really hooping. 323 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.880 But again, yeah, we'll wait to see how these next This next 324 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.519 week we can half go so see if they maintained a play in contention. 325 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.839 Otherwise it could be the end of Dame time for the season. I feel 326 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.400 like this is just a pr play, I really do. I feel like 327 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:32.319 they're throwing that out there because they're readying themselves. And look, maybe organizations 328 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:33.880 want to get out ahead of it. They want this to kind of like 329 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.799 bleed slowly. It's kind of like with politicians dropping some of the worst news 330 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.960 on themselves, like on a Friday, because like people don't pay attention to 331 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.839 politics on the weekend. Thank thank thank thank god for sports on a weekend, 332 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.799 right, like that's the only reason why they care. Um, I 333 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.079 almost feel like that's where the Portland Trailblazers are going. Now. I'm not 334 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.920 saying that that should be the idea of the intent. I'm just saying that 335 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.160 maybe they're trying to prepare people for what they think is going to wind up 336 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:03.960 happening. And I and it's kind of because again, sometimes organizations don't operate 337 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.799 in unison with what the team and the players are doing, like it's two 338 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.799 totally different worlds, and then you get to see it play themselves out with 339 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.519 what is being disseminated out by the media outlets and who where that information gets 340 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.839 lead to and who gets access to that and you know, so, uh, 341 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.880 I don't want to see the Portland Trail Blazers even consider that. But 342 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.160 the fact that it's out there, it makes it hard for you to like 343 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.319 not, you know, have it sit where it sits. And I think 344 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:36.000 it's it's the two games back from twelve as we record right now, three 345 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.039 games back out of ten. So you know what do you have like twelve 346 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.240 games left? It's it's it's getting really really tight. So I can see 347 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.960 why this is coming up now. I understand that, but you know, 348 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.599 what players want to play. And if you're Damian Lillard and and you know, 349 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.200 if let's say, for example, he was an iron man, you 350 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.039 know what I'm saying, Like, if if he was basically playing eighty two 351 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:56.680 games a year, you know, over the last four or five years, 352 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.759 do you really consider shutting him down when he's doing something historical or he's doing 353 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:04.799 doing something great. No, And so you know, again, I obviously 354 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.480 you don't want to see something bad happen in meaningless games, But I just 355 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:11.640 think that putting that out there just sends a bad message for players, who 356 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.839 especially emphasize the idea that they that players should be out there playing and this 357 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.240 is not about load management. And you know what I'm saying it's not even 358 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.880 about the fans, it's about the players playing the game. If they have 359 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.359 to think about all of a sudden someone shutting them down, that could do 360 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.160 a detriment to them. You know, it makes them feel like the organization 361 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.200 doesn't back them in the way that they see how you know, playing the 362 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.160 game of basketball should be seen. I think that's what's called caused a lot 363 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:41.839 of visceral reaction between owners and with the MBPA as well too, because the 364 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.319 players that are coming out there are speaking to this like, you guys got 365 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:45.519 to speak to this better than the way that we speak to it, because 366 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.960 this is not what we want people thinking by what we feel like should be 367 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.559 a representation of quote unquote load management or shutting stuff down and stuff. I 368 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.000 think that's where he's I think that's where I don't want it to go, 369 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.799 but I think that's where it can get to if it's not done properly. 370 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.599 I think that's interesting only if you listen to Damon kind of what he said 371 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.559 on The Old Man on three podcasts recently. He doesn't like what the NBA's 372 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.400 becoming and championships or bust, and you're like, you can't have a great 373 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.680 career or you can't be considered amazing if you don't want to chip and you 374 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.839 know, kind of a lot of different things too. So just interesting times 375 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:21.440 in Portland, I think, as always, as always, your tune to 376 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.920 the baseline, Callie warrens y'all discussing the hot button topics of the NBA coming 377 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.240 up. Sean and I get to put on the white coats again. Man, 378 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:33.079 it's been long overdue. Can't believe how quickly the NBA season is rolled 379 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:36.000 up on us that we actually start bodying up teams. Man, But it's 380 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:37.759 that time, man. We got to do some autopsy reports, so you 381 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.680 don't want to miss out here on the baseline. Time to break it. 382 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:52.440 They're dead, My team, My team is dead. They knew we were 383 00:23:52.519 --> 00:24:00.200 coming, man, they knew we were coming. Time now for the breakdown. 384 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:04.039 Callie wants y'all the base one NBA podcast, and it's about that time 385 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.799 for us. It is all top two report time and we're already getting things 386 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.359 started. Man. We got to talk about the two teams who ultimately have 387 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:18.640 already been checked out and way checked out of this year's NBA chase to the 388 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:25.119 play in or the playoff picture, and that's gonna be the San Antonio Spurs 389 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.880 and the Detroit Pistons. Now, ironically enough, Shaw, if we actually 390 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:34.039 said the NBA season ended at this moment in time, the Detroit Pistons arguably 391 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:38.559 would have the worst record in the NBA, and thus they would have one 392 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:45.599 among the best chances or opportunity for them to get access to the when Bayana 393 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:52.519 sweepsticks. Right. It's interesting because when you look at the Detroit Pistons, 394 00:24:52.759 --> 00:25:00.279 they really have a lot of talented guys. But this is when some times 395 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.160 you wish, you know what I'm saying, You know, the organization was 396 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:10.400 watching you know, the Food Network and watching Chopped and watching Tournament of Champions, 397 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:15.839 like you need you need somebody who knows how to take these random ingredients 398 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:22.119 and make a cuisine. Right, Like the struggle that I keep seeing with 399 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.480 the Detroit Pistons is with all of this talent, and a lot of it 400 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:29.279 was impacted by obviously by Kay Cunningham going down. But you got a lot 401 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:34.799 of talent here, and we still have no conceivable idea about what this team 402 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.279 really should be like. It's constructed like, should feel like, should look 403 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:45.839 like, and whether you're an offensive minded or a defensive minded person. Nothing 404 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.480 of what you've seen the Detroit Pistons exhibits is lending to the idea that you're 405 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:55.839 seeing an uptick or or a move upward, ensuring up one side either side 406 00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:00.920 of that part of their game detroits and of he said, they have a 407 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:07.839 lot of similar parts and not a true direction. I think it's good that 408 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.000 they know Kate is kind of their guy, can kind of build around him. 409 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.279 Jane and Ivy didn't have the rookie season that I thought a lot of 410 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.440 people or even myself would have thought he would. He would have had, 411 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.640 but it wasn't terrible. It just wasn't as impactful, especially with Kate being 412 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.440 out. I really thought with Kate being gone, we would have seen Jade 413 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.440 and Ivy really step up. But again, rookie still, you know, 414 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.079 don't want to throw dirt on his name, and he has the ability to 415 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.839 really really turn some things around here. But the rest of it is just 416 00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:37.519 kind of interesting. They make the move for Wiseman, you know, at 417 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.079 the trade deadline, they clearly are very high on him and get rid of 418 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.680 the Big Bay, you know, in order to make that happen. Not 419 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.160 really sure what their future is with Isaiah Stewart, you know, moving forward. 420 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.960 They resigned Baggy over the course of the summer, and you know, 421 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.279 they got Bogdanovich was still a very tradable asset for them, I think at 422 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.240 some point if they want to. But going into this year, they don't 423 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.599 have a first round draft pick. You know, they have a couple of 424 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.160 draft picks and that will be their own in the following years. But this 425 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.359 summer, uh, it really is going to be about, all right, 426 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.640 what can they really do to secure themselves in the capacity to to be viable 427 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.960 and build around Kate Cunningham moving forward. I'm I'm concerned, you know, 428 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.640 and I know you've you you've pointed to, uh the ability of of a 429 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.359 head coach doing Casey there and what is he really in this for at this 430 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.880 point? And I think those are hard questions if Pistons are going to have 431 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.720 some have to ask themselves over the course of the summer. Yeah. So 432 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:34.759 I'm gonna start there first with with doing Casey. You know I've said before 433 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:42.799 that that that this season that he the had prior to getting acxed by the 434 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:49.119 Toronto Raptors, I think was a telltale sign that, you know, the 435 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:55.160 Raptors understood what they needed to do in order, you know, to move 436 00:27:55.240 --> 00:28:00.839 themselves in in in what was obviously a very small window one season right to 437 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:06.759 basically ascend and capture a possible NBA title. And I don't think that they 438 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.680 thought that they can continue to do that with Dwayne Casey. Dwayne Casey's calling 439 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:15.960 card has been his ability to build up younger guys, get them to be 440 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:25.599 more defensive minded. But unfortunately he does not have the savvy to make adjustments 441 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.039 from an offensive perspective in a situation where the NBA is pivoting to such an 442 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:37.480 offensively minded or offensive mentality. Have you heard this before? Ergo Mark Jackson, 443 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.960 now Mark Jackson minus certain other you know, nuances regarding you know, 444 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.200 what his expectations are to be a head coach for a team and what he 445 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.759 wants to do. Putting that aside, what I'm just saying is is that 446 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.680 that has always kind of been the detriment to Mark Jackson's ability to get really 447 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:59.279 talented teams in a position where you can certainly balance out what you've improved on 448 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.359 them from a defense to perspective to what you can get them to try and 449 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:06.000 do from an offensive perspective. And I feel like, if you are the 450 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.039 Detroit Pistons, this is where you really have to make this decision in the 451 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:14.799 off season. If you are the Pistons and somehow you get Victor Wemba Nana, 452 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.640 are you getting him to be the future of a team in which he's 453 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.880 gonna be the anchor for both sides of the basketball like you see him as 454 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:27.200 your Joel embiid Or are you getting him and recognizing that the way that he 455 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.880 plays his game of basketball, we need a head coach who knows how to 456 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:38.400 encompass that talent that he currently has and what that guy brings so that he 457 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:45.480 becomes the true pure face of that franchise and the success is reflected immediately. 458 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.519 It's not just by wins, but it's just in the way that he's changing 459 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.680 the dynamic of the game and the team that's played. And I'm saying that 460 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.359 this is where those crossroads tend to meet with organizations who have head coaches who 461 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:02.039 have basically been a part of the misery of not being successful, both when 462 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.920 they've made free agency moves and times when they've missed out on the draft picks 463 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:10.240 that they've selected, and this is where I'm wondering where Dwayne Casey's you know, 464 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.920 time is basically coming to a head. Because again, if at least 465 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:17.759 you could make a calling card that the Pistons can play good defensively even if 466 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.200 you lose Kate Cunningham, he's not the reason why that they've been decent defensively. 467 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.519 But if you can't even get your team to play decent defense, if 468 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.160 they can't even break you know, top twenty, that's a problem. And 469 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.079 I feel like this situation, whatever happens, if they wind up getting this 470 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.799 number one pick, I think we'll change the dynamic about how they want to 471 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.799 push forward, and it may not be with Dwyane Casey being the head coach 472 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.559 again for that for that next season. Excuse me, yeah, I think 473 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:47.720 it's it's what's funny to me about this is so I would also want to 474 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.880 clarify something I said. They have a pick as long as it's within the 475 00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.200 lottery, right, So this first round pick this year, um, it's 476 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.319 it's it's protected protected, you know, top eighteen, so obviously it'll be 477 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.119 top eighteen. The Knicks one be getting this pick. So you're right now, 478 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.559 if they get number one. I don't think they're going to be foolish 479 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.400 and try to trade it, right, They're they're going to keep it and 480 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.960 try to build around you know, Wemby, but you just got Wiseman. 481 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.839 You just acquired Wiseman. Those are not guys who I think can really play 482 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.799 alongside each other. And then addition to Bagley and Stewart, so I think 483 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.480 you know, they may decline some player options here and try to move Bagley, 484 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.480 but they may decline the player option of Isaiah Stewart or try to sign 485 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:32.200 and trade him somewhere else. You don't not take Wemby because you have Wiseman. 486 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.680 But you do have some duplicity here that and some even triplicity that is 487 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.680 that you're trying to unpack because that's kind of where the situation they're in right 488 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.759 now. It became power forward, power forward central for a while here. 489 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.279 We've been talking about this with the Pistons and early to your point about doing 490 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.279 Casey, Now do you reward him for these lean years and say, hey, 491 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:52.720 well, now we're going to be on an upward trajectory because we have 492 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.279 a Wemby or a Scoot Henderson or whoever to build around alongside Kate Cunningham. 493 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.920 Or is it like, hey, you're not the guy or this because you're 494 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.599 a more seasoned veteran coach. He's not like Greg Popovitch, who will talk 495 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.759 about obviously a little bit with san Antonio, where he can just write his 496 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.640 own his own check and come and go as he pleases. I think Detroit 497 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.960 has to I do have an interesting take. I do have an interesting I 498 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.480 do have an interesting take that I'll give you about pop and and what may 499 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:21.039 happen if they get Wemby. But yeah, yeah, but I think with 500 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:25.240 Casey he also has to be in lockstep with the what the management to understand. 501 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.000 It's like, all right, well, what are we really trying to 502 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:34.200 do now? And keeping a guy like Bogdanovich to me is I don't know. 503 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.480 I just I just don't quite get it. Um how he's Maybe he's 504 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.400 helping in a way in the veterans as a veteran presidence in addition to being 505 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.000 you know, productive offensively on the on the floor. But I just really 506 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.960 feel like they should have moved on. But that's that's neither here or there. 507 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.720 At the end of the day, Burke's player option probably be declined. 508 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.200 Killian Hayes. Do you keep him alongside? Yeah, for Jaden Jade and 509 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.519 Ivy insurance. But I guess maybe depends what pick you get between you know, 510 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.920 Wemby and maybe Scoot Henderson or whatever the case may be. As I 511 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.960 talked about Isaiah Stewart, I think Isaiah Livers is probably going to be off 512 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.119 this team. Everybody else doesn't have a contract going into next year. The 513 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:15.000 Yallo's up, Corey Joseph is up, you know, Roddy mcgruiders has already 514 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:16.599 gone. RJ. Hampton they picked up off of waivers you know from the 515 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.279 Orlando Magic. This team is very, very lean. They do have the 516 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.480 ability to spend some money in addition to that as well, especially if they 517 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.799 if they decline all those options and then get a top draft pack in here. 518 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:30.039 But you're still going to be looking at a team that has a lot 519 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.200 of work to do, and I think doing case, he has to figure 520 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.200 out does he want to be a part of this for the long haul? 521 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.599 Okay, let me ask you this question. Show which dynamic do you see 522 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.799 working for the Detroit Pistons right like, which tandem? Because at some point 523 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.000 you got to start forming, You gotta start looking to form your your super 524 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.720 friends, right, like you gotta start forming a super team here, right, 525 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:59.079 So who is it that you seem or is it really predicated on It's 526 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.920 going to be determined whether or not they do get access to Wimby. So 527 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.359 I can repeat your question, I don't think if I got understanding, okay, 528 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.480 right, like you got all of this talent right now. Right, 529 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:15.320 We've seen, you know, spots of guys stepping up and having games, 530 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.840 but we don't see consistency. And at some point when Kad Cunningham comes back, 531 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.360 Kate is gonna have to be paired up with somebody who he says, 532 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.599 this is part of my future, you know what I'm saying, Like it's 533 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.559 gonna be Ivy, it's gonna be Hazes, it's gotta be somebody that you 534 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.360 gotta be paired up with. Say we're gonna start with this and we're gonna 535 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:36.159 roll. Right, Because now we've seen Jade and Ivy on his own, 536 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.760 he clearly is not right in that position just yet. But that doesn't mean 537 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.840 that if he's not paired up with Kad Cunningham, that there is a prosper 538 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:45.960 you know, there's a prosperous future to build something like, all right, 539 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.920 now we got two guys. Now we're gonna move to that whoever that third 540 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.119 guy could be? Right, but I'm saying is is that who would that 541 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:57.000 be? Who do you see that tandem to be? Do you see it 542 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.679 or do you think that it is a waiting game based on if we get 543 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.880 Wemby, then we're going to build on Cunningham and Wemby and everybody else will 544 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.159 figure out, you know, the chips fall where they may about where they're 545 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.519 going to be in the pecking order. Yeah, not to cop out, 546 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.840 but I think it's that very much. So like to see what would pick 547 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:15.800 you end up landing. And you know, hey, if if you can 548 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.639 build around Cunningham and Wemby, then dope you make that happen. You know, 549 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.000 if it then now becomes Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, who might fill 550 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.000 another position for you as a kind of a more of a small forward and 551 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.840 wing type player, then maybe you go that route, you know, Scoots. 552 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.719 I guess protects more as a two wish could be problematic because Cunningham and 553 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.159 Etan Jade and Ivy are both kind of twos in their own rights. If 554 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.840 you will or combo guards, I should say not two, but combo guards. 555 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.559 Scoot is more of a of a two and more of a slashing type 556 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.559 type type type guard and wing. You can move them to the three, 557 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.159 I guess if you wanted to, but maybe a slightly slightly a bit undersized 558 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.599 for that. To me, they have a lot of great options per se, 559 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.760 and I think it's also like, what do you want the future of 560 00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.840 what you currently have? So they can be creative and I think maybe move 561 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:02.480 some pieces as I alluded to, maybe trying to do some simnon trades, 562 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.000 you know with some of the some of the guys that they have for some 563 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.039 maybe even some future picks or complimentary pieces to to those young guys. Hence 564 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.880 why I think a guy like Bogdanovich makes some sense for them m maybe to 565 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.360 keep all hold on to them for whatever reason. But at the end of 566 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.440 the day, this is a team that has a lot, a lot, 567 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.719 a lot a lot of options, but not it's it's it's it's going to 568 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.079 be a difficult, a difficult path what no matter what they ultimately decide to 569 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.199 do. But you'd rather be in this position now, um, you know, 570 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.559 knowing that hey, you're gonna have some salaries coming off the books, 571 00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:36.760 you have some good young talent. Obviously, need to keep Katee healthy, 572 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.800 you know, first and foremost. But then if you can get Wemby Henderson 573 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.920 Miller whoever, you're going to be in a position to be successful, you 574 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.159 know, from years to come. All right, seaw, give me a 575 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:52.599 proper eulogy for the for the Detroit Pistons, well, you know, I'll 576 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:58.519 probably eulogize them in the way that um they had ay they were already hit 577 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.559 heading down the right path and got to real a lot by injuries. And 578 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.480 I think if you not to say you that utilize that as a as a 579 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.239 full excuse, but you can in some ways wipe away some of the transgressions 580 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:14.960 of the season and how how it's gone, and you say, you know 581 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.320 what, we're not starting from from ground zero because Kate is a is a 582 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.239 significant piece to have. I think Jade and Ivey is obviously only can continue 583 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.400 to get better. And then if you really if they really believe in Wiseman 584 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.159 in the way that they clearly do by by making the acquisition, then you 585 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.079 feel like, hey, you're well on your way. So uh yeah, 586 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.920 they're gonna need some shooting to compliment. I guess what they have here too, 587 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.039 again, hence why they are probably holding onto Maganovitch a little bit. 588 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.840 Um. But even Jalen Duran, we didn't even talk about him, you 589 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.000 know, that's that's another you know, big who was getting double doubles in 590 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:46.760 in the middle of the season. You know, they put him into the 591 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:51.719 starting lineup, and I think that's something that is pretty pretty significant for them 592 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.320 long term. So excited for Detroit Pistons and in a lot of ways, 593 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.360 but it's the season is not all lost. But at the same time, 594 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.320 you know, obviously Casey wish I'm sure you wish it could have been better 595 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.280 than it than what what Howard projected coming in because it seemed like I didn't 596 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.800 think they're gonna be this mad. Honestly, I thought they might have been 597 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.280 on the fringe of the play in like the fringe of it. But they're 598 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.519 way out of it. So um, the season was a little bit rough, 599 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:16.719 But I think there's there's better days to come for Shark. Well, 600 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.719 there are better days to come. I don't want to I don't wanna be 601 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.039 a little doing Casey and what he's been able to do. I think that 602 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.480 there is some promise there. I do wonder sometimes based on some of the 603 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:31.440 decision making, like, you know, if what's motivating it, so to 604 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.880 speak. I will say this, um, you know, to add to 605 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.239 your eulogy of the Detroit Piston Shaw. You know, I would have wished 606 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.039 that the Pistons were probably playing in the Southeastern Division because then I think that 607 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:50.519 there would be a window of opportunity to allow this growth um for their young 608 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.920 players and for there to be some competitive basketball where they feel momentum in their 609 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.079 you know, in their court to get better at what they're doing. Right 610 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.639 now, They're playing in a division where literally from top to bottom, you 611 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.079 can say they will probably be the worst team in that division for years to 612 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:15.960 come unless there is an upstart, whether it be getting winby Yana or Kay 613 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:22.159 Cunningham suddenly out of nowhere becomes a MVP like kind of type player, or 614 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.599 the roster that is constructed, whether it be Duran or Ivy or one of 615 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.960 these rookies comes in and is immediately having an impact on these teams. And 616 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.639 you feel bad for the Detroit Pistons because with this youth, it gets flooded, 617 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.840 you know, it gets muddied up because they're playing in such a competitive 618 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.599 division. There is really very little breathing room, and I think it's going 619 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.840 to come down to that maturity that has to happen quickly for them if they're 620 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:52.440 going to survive and thrive over the next few years. And so it'll be 621 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.039 interesting to see if the organization thinks they can continue to do that with Dwane 622 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.840 Casey and his staff, or they have to change that pivot that very quickly. 623 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.519 Based off of what happens for this upcoming draft. If they get when 624 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.679 Bayana, it will be very interesting to see what kind of leash Casey is 625 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:14.000 going to have and how quickly he can get these guys to step in and 626 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:19.199 step up and arguably what is going to continue to be a very talented, 627 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.800 flooded division in the Central Your tune to the baseline Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot 628 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:29.599 button topics of the NBA. Coming up, we continue our autopsy report and 629 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.360 we'll break down the San Antonio Spurs. It's weird I'm even mentioning them this 630 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.280 early like we do, but yes, it's an end of an era, 631 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.519 and do we have to wake up to the realization that this could be that 632 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.800 way for the San Antonio Spurs for the foreseeable future. You don't want to 633 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.800 miss out our perspective here on the baseline. We are back Callie Warrenshaw Baseline 634 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.679 NBA Podcast. As we continue our conversation of doing the autopsy report, my 635 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.559 man Shaw is already ready enough. The next body as we speak, Sew 636 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.280 and that obviously means that we have to talk about the San Antonio Spurs, 637 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.760 right, So here's the Spurs. The Spurs basically are the second worst team 638 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.320 in the NBA. And as we're talking about the Detroit Pistons and whether they 639 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.280 need the luck of the Irish to fall their way to get a guy like 640 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.159 Wembayana, I see that like with the Spurs. I don't know, it's 641 00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.599 kind of interesting, but I look at this and say to myself, do 642 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.480 the Spurs deserve to be in this position or the Spurs exactly where they feel 643 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.719 like they need to be in order for them to properly hit the reset button 644 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.360 and the plans for what we're thinking is going to be another Spurs dynasty moving 645 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:46.519 forward. So I'll say this only because I was on a Good Friend Jabari 646 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:52.199 show not too long ago, on Matt Boosti's and they talk about the Wemby 647 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.920 sweepstakes and where would we most like to see him go? And my pick, 648 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.000 honestly was Charlotte because I think he and Lamello could be a truly, 649 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.559 truly exciting pair. I feel like San Antonio's going to get him because that's 650 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.360 just the most boring situation possible, and it is always out to the San 651 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.119 Antonio Spurs. I think that's why you keep Greg Popovich. He brings he 652 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.880 brings the luck of the draft to the San Antonio Spurs. I mean, 653 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.320 and I think for him from a development standpoint, that probably is one of 654 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.760 the better landing spots and he could really kind of grow alongside it. And 655 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.880 they could truly just say that for all their chips in, you know, 656 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:29.920 with him in terms of building around him, because I like Kelvin Johnson the 657 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.079 line, you're not building your team around Kelvin Johnson, You're not building your 658 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.599 team around Devin of the Sill. Like those are nice, complimentary players, 659 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.360 even high level guys, but they're not building blocks of a franchise. And 660 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.880 that's no disrespect at all. I think they're excited about the potential of of 661 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.000 getting you know, a guy like Wemby, more Scoot Henderson or more Brandon 662 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.039 miller Um. But they're the crown jew obviously is Wemby, and they'd love 663 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.840 to be able to do that moving moving portal at the Purtle. Sorry, 664 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.840 at the deadline was I think significant sign of things to come. While they 665 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.039 have a I think a player option or Zach Collins is contract player option, 666 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.480 but he has a team option that's not guaranteed for next year. He's playing 667 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.599 well to end the end the season, but you don't Again, you don't 668 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.920 not make the move for Wemby if because you have Zach Collins right and there's 669 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.280 nobody else here, I think that's standing in their way. So san Antonio 670 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.519 is a the exception of some of the guys who just mentioned Um is a 671 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.400 is a misnomer of you know who he played for if you were playing that 672 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.159 game on T and T, because those are guys who a lot of uninitiated 673 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.039 NBA fans and are not going to know who they are, you know, 674 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:40.599 it's just they've they've accumulated of a roster of hard working guys, but not 675 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:45.320 necessarily name brand guys who are going to be in this in the league for 676 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.159 ten fifteen years at the same time, If that makes some sense. I 677 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.719 got a question to ask you before I make my um make my comment that 678 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:59.679 alluded to earlier about what we Boyana might mean for the San Antonio Spurs if 679 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.679 you, if you could, if you could kind of like what is what? 680 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.960 What is Victor one Bayana to you? Like? What is he? 681 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.480 What does he? What does he represent? Does he represent the future you 682 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:16.199 know of the NBA? Does he represent to you? Um, what we 683 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:23.599 hope will come of guys of his build, um that that has that type 684 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.239 of it within them, very similar to like what we say, um we 685 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:34.280 see in a Yannis Um and maybe some other internationally based or influenced players and 686 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.199 stuff like that, Like what what what would be your assessment of a guy 687 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:44.519 like one Bayana for this draft? I mean, I think he's he's probably 688 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:50.000 more embied than than than other players, you know that. I think some 689 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.559 some comps are trying to get to He's not as forceful and physical as Jannis 690 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.280 is, and maybe still not even as graceful, but he has a little 691 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.960 bit more bouncing whig well, then embid, does I think off the bounce 692 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.119 right now? Currently? So that's where you know, you're kind of getting 693 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.760 some semblance of a mold there, but he doesn't have the physicality, doesn't 694 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.599 have the physicalality even a beat right now, let alone Yannis. But I 695 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.960 think you're looking at at the highest end those types of guys, and ultimately, 696 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.719 if obviously if he can stay healthy, because the fact he's as tall 697 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.599 as he is, you know, can block shots, shot shoot the basketball, 698 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:27.559 you know, maybe not as skilled a passers as of yet. So 699 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.039 that's where you know, some of those comparisons, even with embid and the 700 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:36.400 honest would wouldn't necessarily correlate. But he's not somebody who you don't take a 701 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.400 flyer on, and I think that's that's being you know, um, you 702 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.199 know a little KOI, you know, with that, with that terminology, 703 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:44.880 any team, you know, any of the teams that we're going to talk 704 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.320 about in the earlier part of our autopsy reports here now, would be excited 705 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.960 and love to have him on their roster and would not not get him as 706 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.400 a result of anybody whose would they currently have. So San Antonio, with 707 00:45:54.559 --> 00:46:00.519 their long standing ability to player develop, might be a great landing for him 708 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.039 long term. But you know, what does long term mean? For him, 709 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.559 and as it would relate potentially to any player that they'd get, as 710 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.400 it would relate to Greg Popovich's term and tenure with the roster, like he 711 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.039 is he going to be here three years down the road where you're really going 712 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.840 to start to see the spoils of what any of these players took on the 713 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.440 ultimately become. Because I don't know if anyone's coming in here, and I 714 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.480 don't know when he's coming in here and averaging twenty and ten in year one, 715 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.760 but you know, fifteen and eight, whatever it is, I think 716 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.639 that's those are very plausible type numbers or whatever the case could be, you 717 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:31.679 know, just projecting here. We don't really know. But again, as 718 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.480 Popovitch long for this process, you know, three years down the line of 719 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.679 the Spurs would presumably be back in the hunt for contention. But they have 720 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.000 a lot of money. And that's another thing too. They have a lot 721 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.000 of money, and then they can make some other moves and a lot of 722 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.079 picks for the next you know, four years that they can cobbles some things 723 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.079 together to maybe get back into this faster than when we meet even ordinary project. 724 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.760 Yeah, so you kind of hit it on the head. A little 725 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.519 bit to where my trepidation lies. If you're the San Antonio Spurs. I 726 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:00.360 think a lot of this is going to be predicated on the future of Greg 727 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:06.119 Popovich, right. It's great that Greg Popovitch can really write his own destiny. 728 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.599 I think it comes down to do you have the patience to be a 729 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:19.239 part of the um the replenishment process, not the rebuilding process, the replenishment 730 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:23.320 process. I think with the San Antonio Spurs, what we have always applauded 731 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:30.000 them is their ability to fortify the pillars of their their their team right, 732 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:37.239 and to continually can add pieces while that team continues to strengthen. It's it's 733 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.440 basically a dual um. You know, they have do two things going on 734 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:45.360 at the same time, which is why they've sustained their level of dominance and 735 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.719 created that dynasty that they've created for us, you know, in the early 736 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.679 two thousands, um and and really the two teams, right, the twenty 737 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.920 teams. But I think this is a different situation because when they went they 738 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:05.800 drafted say, um a, is it losing me Duncan. When they drafted 739 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:12.199 Tim Duncan, they had you know, Robinson next to him, and Robinson 740 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:17.719 showed him how to apply the physicality to the position that he played right, 741 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.760 but everything else was all on Duncan, right, So I think the talent 742 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.039 is going to be there if they land a guy like when Mayanna. What 743 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.880 I'm just finding interesting is who are the Spurs gonna put next to him to 744 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:37.599 elevate him to that competitive level that we're hoping that he can put himself. 745 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.039 See himself competing against the embiides, you know what I'm saying, the Yanniss 746 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.199 right on a night in, night out basis, and you're seeing it elevate. 747 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.400 And as an organization, if you're the San Antonio Spurs, obviously you 748 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.199 have to pivot from what you've been doing offensively the last few years now. 749 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.280 A lot of that is obviously impacted that they didn't. They didn't they haven't 750 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:04.320 really had a they haven't had a like a cohesive point guards situation going right. 751 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.960 Deontay Murray puts up numbers, But do we really think that Deontay Murray 752 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.920 impacted everything that was going on for that team? He looked impressive, but 753 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.920 you see him now playing out in Atlanta with Trey Young and you can see 754 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.960 that this is a work in progress. For him or where he fits in 755 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.199 from what he was used to doing in San Antonio. I think you could 756 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.400 make an argument that he had better communication and a better thing going with Demarda 757 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.639 Rosen than he has right now with with with Trey Young. So it'll be 758 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:40.639 interesting to see who Popovich, Buford and the guys put around Wimbanyanna in order 759 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.159 for us to see this incremental level of success for the San Antonio Spurs. 760 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.119 And I'm going to be the person to say this if they do get a 761 00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.760 Wimbonianna, I don't know, like I hate that. I don't want to 762 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.639 make it sound like I don't want to see Greg Popovitch continue to coach in 763 00:49:54.679 --> 00:50:00.119 the NBA, But I'm just wondering, does m Greg Popovitch still want to 764 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.320 coach like this in the NBA Because this is going to be a project in 765 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.760 and of itself. There is greatness there, no question, but he could 766 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.559 even be better suited doing it from an executive level than it really is about 767 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.199 what he has to subject himself through and what the team is going to be 768 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.960 putting themselves through over the next few seasons as a coach. Well, for 769 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.679 me, it's it's it can't just only you can't put all your eggs in 770 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.960 the Wemby basket. I agree with you, I agree, which is why 771 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:32.880 I'm starting to question that the longevity of the tenures still remaining for Gregg Popovitch 772 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.159 to continue to be the the the head coach for the for the same story 773 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.039 Spurs, not because they're gonna fire him and they're gonna get rid of him, 774 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.320 just because the pivot that Popovitch will have to continue to make its not 775 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:46.679 going to be a one two year round pivot. I think it's going to 776 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:51.679 be a multiple year pivot given the type of talent that they're gonna need to 777 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.360 put on this roster to compete, right, I mean, no matter who 778 00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.960 they get, so whether that's Miller, Henderson, whoever else on the line, 779 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:00.920 you know, you don't even know what they're value each Those like san 780 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.159 Antonio thinks outside the box a little, so they may think such and such. 781 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.800 You know, some deep level analytics would be the better pick, you 782 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.840 know, allah, Danny Ainge, would Jason Tatum in the marble full situation. 783 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.920 You just you just never know. So we don't want to overwhemb a 784 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.599 lot when the size this conversation, but to your point in general that makes 785 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.400 a lot of sense and similar to what we're talking about Detroit. Again, 786 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.599 it's Casey long for this process, the Papavich along for this process, and 787 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.679 apparently he seems to be in it at least for now, but that could 788 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.920 change tomorrow. He seems like the stop a guy that you know what, 789 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:31.400 I'm no longer not I'm not longer reaching the locker room. But this just 790 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.920 isn't fun for me. I don't I don't have the same impact. At 791 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.800 the same time, san Antonio has two first rounders this year. Obviously that 792 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.400 one they'll keep their own pick, obviously to get whatever the higher the draft 793 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.480 picks are, but two and twenty four, two and twenty five, two 794 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.239 and twenty six, in addition to multiple seconds and all that, they could 795 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.639 very easily cobble those together and decide, you know what, here's how we're 796 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:58.199 going to support this. Keep Kelton Johnson, keep Devin vest still trade one 797 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.119 of them if they even need to, in addition to one of the those 798 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.159 other picks, if they wanted to, then support whoever they get in this 799 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.679 draft, you know, to kind of build and not to say fast tracked, 800 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.960 but to get into a better space in a way that that's more spursy 801 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.199 and if you will, they have the assets, and that's what they've been 802 00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.559 doing. The fact that they got two first rounders for Derek White from Boston, 803 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.239 you know, a season ago, and they continue to They got all 804 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.320 the all the first rounders in the world from from Atlanta for the John Ty 805 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.079 Murray trade. This was smart management from them, in addition to what they're 806 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.719 trying to do and actual drafting their own pick this year. I think they're 807 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:34.360 going to strike at some point as I think okayc may also try to do, 808 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.559 as New Orleans may also try to do with all these picks. At 809 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:39.880 the end of the day, we know it's been proven you just cannot draft 810 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:44.280 all these people. You cannot have you know, you know, eight first 811 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:49.360 rounders on your team. So they will be making some moves and some overtures 812 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.000 I think for some some names. And you know, again, it's funny 813 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.360 because we already talked about Daane earlier. If I'm san Antonio, I'm trying 814 00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.719 to pry Dane from Portland. I mean, you can try. We all 815 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.039 know it's a dead deal that Portland. He says, he does, I 816 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.639 want to move, but Portland should probably do themselves a favor, you know, 817 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.880 and try to get some picks or whoever whoever the next star is. 818 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:08.320 And let's not let's not poo poo this, right, I mean, the 819 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:14.079 San Antonio Spurs figured out a way to pry LaMarcus Aldridge when LaMarcus Aldris was 820 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.639 at the height of his basketball play and he was with Portland. You know, 821 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:22.719 I'm just saying that, like, you know, but I don't see 822 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.639 Dame wanting to go probably the San Antonio to to play I say again, 823 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.159 I mean I can't say a player like Dame, but a star, right, 824 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.480 you know, who might be kind of at the end of the proverbial 825 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.880 rope with whatever team that they're currently on, and it's like you know what, 826 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:37.320 hey, now that time is. And again, those things don't always 827 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.239 avail themselves in the in the time frame that that we would like. And 828 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.960 you don't always again, we don't always know what's going on behind the scenes, 829 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:46.360 so to speak, right, But I don't know, would they kick 830 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:51.079 the tires on an older Jimmy Butler and bring him from Miami if that, 831 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:52.840 you know, were to go awry. Would they bring Trey Young if that 832 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:57.280 stuff starts starts to go awry because we've heard that maybe he's not excited about 833 00:53:57.519 --> 00:53:59.960 being in a line of long term Again, you can just throw name at 834 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.679 the name after there the zach Lavine situation, although maybe not a star per 835 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.280 se, but you know, you get what I'm what I'm trying to say 836 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.679 in essence, like there's there's opportunities that might be out there and they could 837 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:14.079 prize some pably a significant player away from another team just by virtual the amount 838 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.039 of picks that they have. Well, so listen, and I'm on, 839 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.880 I'm totally on board with this, right Like, I think we obviously knew 840 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.320 that this was coming to this. You lose Lonnie Walker, you lose Deonta 841 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:28.159 Murray, and those pretty much were your best defensive players. I think the 842 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.800 thing that I'm just alluding to show when I talk about the longevity factor of 843 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.199 what the Spurs are trying to do, like the long the long game that 844 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.119 they that they may be trying to play in relation to what the makeup of 845 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:43.519 this this this team from a from a coaching his staff perspective, might look 846 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:49.440 like. Popovich has always been a master at manipulating the roster to play. 847 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.559 According to the trends of what he sees against his teams in the NBA, 848 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:58.119 like he has just been just so masterful at doing that over the years. 849 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.119 We've seen him pivot from an offensive side to a defensive side, and back 850 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.440 and forth and back and forth. This is arguably the first time show that 851 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.519 we can look at this team and day and you could just flat out say 852 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.679 they are not good on either side of the basketball. Nothing. They've got 853 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.280 nothing on either side of the basketball. And I think that's where my concern 854 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.639 has been. If you're Greg Popovich, what do you pivot to with even 855 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.440 the talent that you may come have coming your way. Whether you choose to 856 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.480 go and get someone like Adamarta Rosen like kind of player like you did the 857 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.960 last couple of seasons and you try to make it work with him and LaMarcus 858 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.760 Aldridge and you know, and all that other kind of stuff, or if 859 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.480 your intent is you're a place keeper, you're putting some guys out there that 860 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:42.400 just want to be competitive and show competitiveness to the young guys that you do 861 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.599 plan to keep on the roster. I think this is genuinely the first time 862 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:51.559 I might actually look at the San Antonio Spurs and say, oh yeah, 863 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:57.480 there's no realistic expectation that this team is going to be marketably improved unless they 864 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.280 do what I don't think that they're used to do in Shaw is basically bringing 865 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.920 a team of free agency filled players along with whoever they're drafting, which is 866 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.440 gonna be top ended talent anyway, no matter how you slice it, and 867 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:13.679 suddenly it's just working with Popovich. He's never had to really do that. 868 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.679 There's never been them sort of speak of the San Antonio Spurs because it's usually 869 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:22.519 been one, two, three moves that incrementally over the next year two years 870 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.400 are going to be significant moves that helps the team. But at the same 871 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.440 time, they have always been right in the thick of things, and this 872 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:30.880 has been the first time that I think you look at this roster and you 873 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:36.440 can clearly see the drop off losing all of the players that nearly got themselves 874 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.360 into the playoffs a couple of seasons ago, where now the impact is going 875 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:43.920 to be on we're rolling the dice on what we're doing for these draft picks 876 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.000 that we've accumulated, this money that we're going to have freed up to put 877 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:52.159 together a completely different roster that Popovich is gonna feel comfortable coaching to be competitive 878 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.599 for the twenty twenty fourth season. Well, you know, I'm not an 879 00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.400 insider, but if I were a betting man, and I'd say there's a 880 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.199 pretty good chance the Spurs will go after it. Got like Fred VanVleet, 881 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.760 who will be a free agent this summer, okay, And I think, 882 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.480 you know, that could help them, you know, start to write the 883 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.960 ship in terms of the point guard situation, long term plays alongside, and 884 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.559 that they don't have to give up you know, the sill or Kelton Johnson, 885 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.079 the Sens to do that, bring in whatever whatever draft pick they get, 886 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.360 and I think then you're starting to build a little bit of something there 887 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.239 too. Again not super splashy, but Van Vliet has all star ish type 888 00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.599 potential, you know, obviously in the West, a little bit tougher to 889 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.559 make that, but he can put up the numbers statistically, and I think 890 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:36.440 it would fit within their system in a way that is Popovich like. And 891 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.000 so I think those are the types of moves where it will be, like 892 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:43.079 you said, kind of incremental, maybe not overly splashy, especially if they're 893 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.400 not able to you know, combine some of those picks that they have, 894 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.079 but they could sign a guy like Fred van Leet this offseason and feel like 895 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.280 they're heading in the right direction, especially with the draft pick they ultimately get. 896 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.079 So san Antonio not the Spurs, you know, these aren't your granddad 897 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.559 Spurs, as people say. They are definitely heading in a new direction. 898 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:01.639 But hopefully it can be exciting for them, you know, And I think 899 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:06.599 that's what we want to kind of bank on in some degree. Like they 900 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.519 they have done a good job for the most part over the years and changing 901 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:13.840 with the times and changing with the roster that they have, so now that 902 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.039 you've got to decide what type of team they want to be, and I 903 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:19.840 think Popvitch will be able to coach that or bring in the next person. 904 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.000 Because the Hawks getting Consigner, I think it's pretty significant because obviously he was 905 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:28.519 very heavily tied. In rumor two san Antonio had Popovich being ready to step 906 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.159 down, and not to say that there'll be a shortage of guys, you 907 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.599 know, especially even younger guys who have to have the shot yet it would 908 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:36.800 be willing to take a head coaching job there, But I do think they 909 00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:42.000 have some things to figure out specifically, but it's not destitute. Despite in 910 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.599 the not having like name guys, they have an ability to to make us 911 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.800 pretty significant headway in getting back to some level of competitiveness here within the next 912 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.159 couple of seasons. Do you think um and we'll get into our eulogies in 913 00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:58.679 a sex show. Do you think if Popovich was basically saying, I'm getting 914 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.960 ready to hang him up, call it, call it a day, the 915 00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.840 idea of email Yudoka coming in to coach that team would be a would be 916 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.280 a good look you jumping off the reservation. I don't. I'm just saying 917 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.079 that. I just I'm just I'm just throwing that out there, like, 918 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.199 you know, how am I jumping off the reservation? I think that given 919 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:22.840 what Yudoka went through, I think that would be a pretty significant change for 920 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.719 the Spurs. Also, remember, don't forget that they had their own situation 921 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.599 with um I can't remember his name, but the draft pick who just more 922 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.360 or less just left, and you know, one of the psychiatrists on their 923 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.000 team, and even that young lady. I don't think they want to bring 924 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:42.920 in any situation that is adverse to a female work environment. Um And Unfortunately 925 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.719 for Yudoka. That's kind of the stigma that had that that surrounds his name 926 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:50.199 currently, and Yudoka will be living in the cave every time the game's overweight. 927 00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.440 He's like, I'm going to my cave. I want to say, 928 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:53.320 I don't know. I don't want to see nobody, don't want to talk 929 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:57.880 to nobody. I'm just here to coach basketball games. That's that that that 930 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.800 to me would be. But that's not where I was trying to go with 931 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:06.559 that show. I'm just saying because of what Udoka has meant to that organization, 932 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:12.440 his coaching upbringing really came from the Popovich tree and things of that nature. 933 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.159 I would just wonder if whether or not, minus those other, you 934 01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:20.639 know, off the court things that were going on, if Udoca would be 935 01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:24.159 the proper fit for that quote unquote ascension of what we may be thinking that 936 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:28.360 the Spurs are conjuring up in there. You know what I'm saying in their 937 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:31.960 pot sort of speak all right, seaway lay out of utilogy for me for 938 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.119 the San Antonio Spurs. Well, San Antonio, you know you have an 939 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:42.679 opportunity to to to be pretty good. Maybe that's strong to be to be 940 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.679 decent here within even the next year or two. I think the Still and 941 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:51.559 Johnson had built had a lot of injuries with this past year, and if 942 01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.480 they can remain healthy, you can build on you know, Trey Jones and 943 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:59.360 then whatever you ultimately decide to do in free agency. Um, this is 944 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.239 a team that can get back to a certain level of competitiveness here too, 945 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:06.679 and at least I think being the hunt for a play in and I mean 946 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:08.519 that sincerely. I think if they get the right draft pick and then can 947 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:14.840 stay healthy, especially with Papavich's coaching, this might be at least this level 948 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.119 of bad you know, you know, you know, fifty fifty six losses 949 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.400 will probably end up you know, where they end up landing or whatever the 950 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.079 case to be. I don't think they'll be there, and they can be 951 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.559 more closer to, you know, again, trying to scratch in for a 952 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.639 play in team or just being competitive. And they've had some good wins this 953 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:30.360 year too, so I don't want to take that away from them, but 954 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.159 we know that this is not Spurs Basketball twenty ninth and off friends of rating 955 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.559 thirtieth and defensive rating thirtyeth or sorry sorry, sorry, yeah, thirtieth and 956 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.559 net rating as well, Like, this is not who the Spurs are, 957 01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.960 and they're going to be significantly better. I think in the years to come, 958 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:47.760 better days are ahead for you, san Antonio. I think that this 959 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.519 is really, you know, an outlier given the circumstances, situation, and 960 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:57.719 it's what it's what happens when you pretty much offload literally all of the talent. 961 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.840 Now, whether it was intentional or not intentional, I think that well, 962 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.320 I mean, you know, you know, if the intention is the 963 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.880 same, we're trying to get one by Yanna. Okay, I understand that, 964 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.840 you know, if there was a freak accident to one Bayana being injured, 965 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.039 like they're going to have to figure it out. What whoever isn't a 966 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:16.920 part of the draft. I'm just saying what I'm used to seeing from the 967 01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.719 Spurs is that it doesn't matter you know, who's on there. It's about 968 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.199 how It's about us being able to see what this team wants to look like, 969 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:28.119 wants to be like from a competitive standpoint. And I think that if 970 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:34.679 you're a great Popovich, you want to feel comfortable not seeing any anything promising 971 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.679 coming from what's taken place this past season. So I think this now you 972 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:42.360 will begin to see that. I think you will see come this offseason, 973 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.800 not just via through the moves made, but also with the with the way 974 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.360 that the roster is going to look like. I don't think that come next 975 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.440 year when we sit down Shaw and we do our predictions, not that our 976 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.599 predictions should matter in the grand scheme of things, but we think it has 977 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:57.239 some weight. We think it has some validity to it. I think that 978 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.280 they will not wind up being the worst team in basketball or a one of 979 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.199 the worst teams in basketball. That doesn't mean that they will significantly jump, 980 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.760 there'll be a playing team or anything like that. But I do think that 981 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.840 they are will and will be a more improved basketball team because I think this 982 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:14.400 is a true fresh reset and it's a better understanding that there is at least 983 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:16.760 something that Popovitch knows that he wants to get these guys to improve upon, 984 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.800 whether it be offensively or defensively, that he wants to see some incremental improvements 985 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:24.920 from this team. And I think you feel good about that. Again, 986 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:30.039 I think the long term will be how long will we start seeing that incremental 987 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:36.400 improvement take place for the Spurs team, and whether or not Popovich and the 988 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.480 and the regime that is currently constructed with Popovich is going to be down for 989 01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:44.320 that long term, you know, down down for the long haul. I'll 990 01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:46.199 be very curious to see if that is or isn't the case. Um, 991 01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:51.639 But I think that's what's going to drive a lot of the San Antonio Spurs 992 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.679 movements and what they're planning to do for this for this offseason and for the 993 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.920 for the upcoming twenty two, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four NBA season. 994 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.519 You should feel good about that. The luck San Antonio, good luck, 995 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:06.079 good luck, good luck. Absolutely awesome show. This week's Shaw and 996 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:10.599 as always, man Um, sincerely, you know you do it better than 997 01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.320 nobody, my friend, Um the nuances. I don't know why you're not 998 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:19.119 an executive or GM right now. Um, people people that people are missing 999 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.639 out. Man. You know, I know you love putting on a white 1000 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:26.280 jacket and you know what I'm saying, putting a step of stoape to a 1001 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:30.719 dead heartbeat. But still you are. You are the life force for this 1002 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.440 show and we are grateful for that. Wow, look at those compliments out 1003 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:36.480 here from all warm and fuzzy. Well, we all know that the show 1004 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.920 does not hey, you should you should you should have said I'm feeling all 1005 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.719 warm and scruffy. There you go. That would have been time back in 1006 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.159 again you you're on your hip hop double untire, you know, in connections, 1007 01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.519 bro. But at the end of the day, again, the baseline 1008 01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:55.199 is always a fun time. And when it gets autopsy point, um, 1009 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.119 it's it's it's it's exciting for us. Uh. And you know, with 1010 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:02.239 these teams being officially mathematic eliminated, we figured we get get started early because 1011 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:05.239 excuse me, they have no chance of making the playoffs. We know that 1012 01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:09.559 now, so let's go ahead body them up, you know what I mean, 1013 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.039 and so that they can you know, be thought out by the time 1014 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:15.239 next season rolls around and start freshen and news. So exciting time to get 1015 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.320 the autopsy started a little early here, um, and we'll have two more 1016 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:21.719 teams on here looking like I think who else does eliminated Charlotte and Houston. 1017 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:30.239 So get ready those will be a doozy see San Antonio, Like I said, 1018 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.119 things are looking up for you because guess what I'm gonna be calling out 1019 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:36.599 both of them teams. I nah, oh yeah. We also have to 1020 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.760 speak to the fact that you see, Michael Jordan is trying to sell his 1021 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.920 majority stake of the ownership, so we'll be speaking to that when we talk 1022 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:47.239 about the the Hornets as part of our autopsy on our next on our upcoming 1023 01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.599 episode, once again, we appreciate you and us were hopping up board with 1024 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:55.159 us this week for the baseline. Callie warn't y'all. We appreciate you guys, 1025 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.199 you know we do, and we'll catch up with you next time.