WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:17.440 Question, jumps down, side users, tuning down, jumps down, sideway 2 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:38.079 down upstarts down us night time, tis time, Jack country, Dad, 3 00:00:39.079 --> 00:01:38.439 Scott, didn't stack, stock, didn't start, tack, stay shut, 4 00:01:57.439 --> 00:04:31.560 and I still sat eight kah, Chuck. We're gonna take care of this, 5 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:36.360 this mythology in the case, as soon as we can get our collective 6 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:41.040 craft together. Over here, I'm trying to bring Zach into the call, 7 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:46.560 Carmike, Let's see if we can get a manager. Zach. Is that 8 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:56.720 you? Yes, there we go. Okay, Now I've got everybody kind 9 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.240 of screwed up my plans through the evening, all right. Anyway, as 10 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:05.160 I was explaining, no problem, no problem, it's just the Skype thing 11 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.720 is always like a hairy situation anyway, even when everything's working right. And 12 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:14.160 my apologies to you guys. If somehow you get knocked out of the call 13 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.519 or whatever during this, ye're having internet troubles. So we'll do our best 14 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:24.519 to keep this show together. Okay, But anyway, this is excellent. 15 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:29.639 This is the second in the series on the JFK mythology, The assassination mythology 16 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:33.680 exposed as the little graphic says that Zach designed and I had to Butcher earlier 17 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:39.000 today to put a number two on. But there it is, and we 18 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:49.079 passed it around two. Okay, the blind guy cut up a graphic. 19 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:54.519 What do you think happens? People? Anyway, It's all right, it 20 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.720 doesn't even match color wise, but at least we got the point across that 21 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.920 this is the second in the series. And we'll stop joking around really quickly. 22 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:02.720 Before I go any further, I just want to say, if you 23 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:08.040 guys want to go to ucy dot tv slash te there is all kinds of 24 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.240 stuff there. I know I started to say this earlier, but you can 25 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.959 actually get the RSS feed there for this show, which contains several different episodes, 26 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.000 not only about the JFK assassination, but about many other topics. There 27 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:25.000 is also a donate button there for me, and then lower on the page 28 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.600 on the left hand side, there's a donate button for the network and either 29 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.959 one of us could use a little bit of help now and then anyway, 30 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:38.079 Oh, look at this, we've got a phone caller already hitting me up 31 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.240 and we didn't even begin on the topic. Let's see who it is. 32 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.319 Okay, caller, I have randomly added you and we didn't even begin discussing 33 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.959 topics. But hey, I'll tell you what. Why don't you kick it 34 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:57.279 off? Well, I just say you're advertisment on fight bookend of course, 35 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:02.519 wanting to get in a little discussion, all right, So what part do 36 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.800 you want to start at? Where do you want to start at? How 37 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:09.879 far you've been along? Because I'm just me, I'm stepping in midway. 38 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.040 Ah well, I'll tell you what. We've been tackling a lot of the 39 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.439 different things that have been passed around which are conspiracy oriented but unfortunately are not 40 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:25.639 founded by very good facts or evidence. And I'm wondering, I'll tell you 41 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.959 what. Let's let's do it this way. Since you don't have a topic 42 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.000 in mind, and we didn't kick off our topics yet, what do you 43 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:35.720 think happened regarding the JFK assassination? I mean, what is your what is 44 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:40.480 your viewpoint? Although you said you know you've kind of joined this in recently, 45 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.920 what do you what do you think actually happened? Well, from just 46 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.480 common sense, why is I feel if you really got down to the basics 47 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.240 of it, it was a complete setup from the whole world get go. 48 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:01.000 Because if common sense would dictate that all wall was the long Rut computer. 49 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:09.360 I would be really mad at Ruby for killing him, because I would like 50 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:15.519 to take him out to Las Vegas to do gambling. There's too much that 51 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:22.600 happened in such a period of time that it stands no reasoning that Lee Harvey 52 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:28.680 Oswall would have the knowledge or ability to pull it off by himself. Plus, 53 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:33.679 you would not have the ability for the police to find such a man 54 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.639 in such a short period of time after the crime. We can't even get 55 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:46.440 crimes fit and found out with cameras that have photo idea of a guy robbing 56 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.200 a convenience store. You got it, you got it, and you know 57 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.639 what, that is absolutely true. I'll say this that you know nobody. 58 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.679 I don't think anybody on this panel tonight supports the low nut conclusion. None 59 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.879 of us, as an Oswald did it guy, although there was a point 60 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.919 in time when I thought that was a possibility, but absolutely none of the 61 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:11.240 evidence actually lines up. None of it makes sense, and so we know 62 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.039 that that's part of the mythology. But what do you think happened? I 63 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:20.759 mean, we're we'll discard the idea that Oswald did it immediately and say, 64 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:22.559 well, what do you think happened. I mean, do you think it 65 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.720 was a plot by the CIA? Do you think it was the right wing 66 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.840 factions in the country. I mean, do you think LBJ was responsible? 67 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.840 You know what do you think actually happened? The day I see it and 68 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:41.799 believe it. You had c I, a CIA involvement, you had FBI 69 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:48.720 cover up, you had mafia tithes into it, you had plans way before 70 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:58.639 November. If you've done any digging or listening or reading of the attempt that 71 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.600 was supposed to be made in mind, I mean this goes out. There 72 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:07.080 was a guy in Georgia that had predicted this from a high building with a 73 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.200 high powered rifle. And the man left at Kano is not a high powered 74 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:20.879 rifle as by perspect so to do the damage and everything, there's nobody pulled 75 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.960 off. Lee Harvey Auswalls quote unquote shots Yep. Well, you know what, 76 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.799 for the most part, you're dead on, so uh and and and 77 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:35.000 you know it took me twenty twenty years to get to that point, but 78 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.159 uh yeah, you're dead on, except for you know that the guy you're 79 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.200 talking about in Georgia there he was related to the case, and he had 80 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:45.960 been in Georgia and had been involved in that's uh, oh boy, what 81 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:52.679 does that guy there's something like that, wasn't it? Both his names minor? 82 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.679 Well, okay, there there there was that that that whole thing in 83 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.039 Miami. And what we're talking about is that the the tape that was made 84 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.840 regarding it in the high powered rifle and all that, that's kind of a 85 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:16.240 misleading thing too. But the plots that were noticeable, the things that we 86 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.279 can trace that actually, you know, seem to have been threats to Kennedy 87 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.879 prior to Dallas. We're in we're in Miami, we're in that area, 88 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.480 we're in Chicago. And also there's even the possibility of that there's a little 89 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.120 less evidence for it in Los Angeles previous to Dallas. So yeah, you're 90 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.360 dead on there. The FBI covered it up. You can see the hands 91 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.279 of the agency all over a lot of stuff, and uh, it leads 92 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.759 you well away from a loan nutt who just decided to do it one day, 93 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:52.399 doesn't it. Yeah, United the one thing that always Carlan because that 94 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:58.360 was doing the back shots in to Kennedy and you know, everything that's been 95 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.240 done with. They even had one time where they had pulled off where the 96 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:11.679 shot had went through Kennedy at a proposed shooting and then hit Connolly. But 97 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.320 what so wird is the shot that proposedly quote unquote went through the throat and 98 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:24.399 hit Connelly had him setting I mean setting straight up. If you go back 99 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:30.960 and look at the film, that I say is altered the shot that actually 100 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.399 hit Kennedy in the throat and no way hit Connonlly because there was no reaction 101 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:41.159 from Connelly, who was still going to have to turn around. So all 102 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:48.559 of that telling Harlan's Spectors BS is just that, I mean, you can 103 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:56.360 make things happen. But in the throw unquote little wall, that was an 104 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.960 impossible shot for that to have fantasied. And in the situation that was going 105 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:05.759 on, like I said, you had a guy sitting was supposedly in a 106 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.200 sniffers mess they had just got through eating chicken or there was a greevy chicken 107 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:18.039 bag up there where somebody had eaten and drank, and at that point there's 108 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:24.519 not anything on the rifle but one palm print, right, was completely ridiculous 109 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.919 because that was more than likely Bonnie ree Williams lunch too, And you know, 110 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.000 even on top of that, you had someone go up into the snipers 111 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.799 mess. They had taken all the evidence, taken everything away, and what 112 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:48.320 pictures you see of it is a restage snipers mess. People don't realize that. 113 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.639 Well, you're you're covering a lot of ground. You're covering a lot 114 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.320 of ground. And matter of fact, we had a discussion just the other 115 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.559 day about this with the boxes being moved around and and how strange it is 116 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.679 what was going on and everything else. Well, just to give you an 117 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.879 idea, if you look at the boxes of the way they were staged in 118 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.159 there for the shot. From the way it looks from the pictures that I've 119 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.480 seen, let me praise it that way that I've seen, that sniflesness was 120 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.120 set up for a left handed shot, not a right handed lee. Harvey 121 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.799 Aldiwall was right handed. I know because I'm like, I am a left 122 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:33.120 handed shooter, and you do not if you're going left to right, which 123 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:39.679 is what you would see in that window. That rifle was set up for 124 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.759 a left handed person because he had room to move. If it was set 125 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.720 up for a right he would have had to catch him coming down Elm Street. 126 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.759 Think about it. Look at the picture, Well, he gets them 127 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.919 to coming down Elm Street. You mean from Houston. You mean you're talking 128 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.600 about onto Houston, right right, Yeah, that would have been the logical 129 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.519 shot for a left handed shooter. Uh what if the boxes were set up? 130 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.480 Yeah, exactly that Nobody I've never heard anybody mentioned that. I'm like, 131 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.200 my gosh, they said, was he right handed or left handed? 132 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.639 With if you go back to his military quote unquote picture that's showing him in 133 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.919 anating position, is definitely a right handed shooter. M Within the military, 134 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.720 they would at sometimes would try to switch a left handed shooter through a right 135 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:35.639 handed shooter. No, you're absolutely right. The only the only thing, 136 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.279 uh, Militier, Joseph Miltier was the guy I was trying to think of, 137 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.360 by the way, right. Uh, but but you know, Militier 138 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.399 is an interesting character. But I don't think he had anything to do with 139 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:50.039 the assassination. I think that there was in Dallas. Well, there was 140 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.639 pictures of him in Dallas during the assassination. All right, Well see that 141 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.039 figure which is identified as Militaier by some people in the research community. I 142 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.159 don't think is defending to proof about it. I know that there has been 143 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:06.639 things said that he was there afterwards and everything else. But realistically, interestingly 144 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.759 enough, Militier is more easily linkable to uh to the king assassination, believe 145 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:15.879 it or not, because he was actually trying to raise money for that, 146 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:23.240 for that exact purpose. Oh yeah, that's that's the truth. We have 147 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:29.399 the the the testimony and the tape involving himself in an informant named Willie Somerset, 148 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.240 which has been bandied about as a connection directly to it. But I 149 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.799 I think that Miltier might have heard something. I think that there might have 150 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.840 been various plots going on, and I don't think Miltier knew about Dallas. 151 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.679 And I don't think that's him in that picture. I couldn't wrong, because 152 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:51.159 it's hard to tell. You're looking at a pretty rough looking image. When 153 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:56.919 it comes to that photograph, well, let me think that the love Life 154 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.320 in the wind or in the go Away? Do you think that was Lee 155 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:07.960 Harvey, Ali's white olive Wall or Lovelace Billy Lovelady? Do you think it 156 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:12.240 was him? Absolutely? I mean, I don't have any defensive of answer 157 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:18.680 there, because it's mighty funny that on that picture that shows everything, there's 158 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.400 one guy's face that is marked out just wearing a black suit. If you 159 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.319 look, well, it look it looks that way. But you got to 160 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.039 understand you're talking about a very small portion of a photograph which has been blown 161 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:34.720 up and manipulated and passed around a lot. Okay, when when I got 162 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.440 ahold of a copy of this, and I discussed this on the last show, 163 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.680 But we were going to discuss doorway Man tonight, actually, and I'm 164 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.640 wondering, what thea I've been talking this whole time and not letting my guests 165 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.559 talk. Carmine, I'm so Harry. I didn't mean the hog to show 166 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.039 me either. I'm sorry, no, no, it's it's okay. But 167 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.440 I want to give them a chance to chime in because I know this was 168 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.319 one of the topics we were going to cover tonight was doorway Man. So 169 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:02.119 I wonder if either Carla, Zach or Trish would want to jump in on 170 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.839 this and uh and discuss doorway Man. I give you an automatic answer that 171 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.359 I think it's Billy Lovelady and uh and and I have no reason to believe 172 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.279 otherwise. There are various problems with the photograph. When you begin blowing up 173 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.920 a photograph which is chemically made like that. You know, all sorts of 174 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:25.440 interesting anomalies begin to appear in the the ancillary portions of the image that weren't 175 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.759 part of the focus, you know, for for the optical area of focus, 176 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.720 and all sorts of what I call distortions, uh have are present in 177 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.279 that photograph once you get away from the main part of the image. But 178 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:42.359 I'd love for one of you guys to jump in on this. Well, 179 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:52.799 I'll leave it to the photographic archivists, which would be Zach Uh. Yeah, 180 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.240 Hey, guys, thank you. Cart very interesting points that you raised. 181 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.839 Definitely, the issue of who's standing in that door way is something that's 182 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:04.200 you know, almost impossible to resolve, like Chuck said, based on you 183 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:07.640 know, the quality of the image. It's basically a blown up portion of 184 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.599 a small, you know, section of a photograph, and you know, 185 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:17.920 trying to decipher who that may or may not be is almost impossible. And 186 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.720 something needs to be taken into consideration also, is that that's a public area 187 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:25.200 and that could have been almost anybody in that doorway that was in Dallas at 188 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.519 the time. I mean, trying to narrow it down based upon lists of 189 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.440 who or may may or may not have been there. That's almost you know, 190 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:37.880 inconceivable to try to narrow it down like that. See, But when 191 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:42.400 when that image is cleaned up and I've taken as I stated before on this 192 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:47.920 show, I got a copy from the uh from the Chicago Tribune Archives, 193 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:53.400 Okay, and when I did the magnification myself, if I had to bet 194 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.880 as to one of the figures that that person has been alleged to be over 195 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:02.119 the years, I would definitely put my money on Jilly Love Lady. Uh. 196 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:03.880 And I'm not the only person to have taken that photograph and tried to 197 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.519 examine it. Who you know, could have had all sorts of agendas in 198 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.799 play here. You know, somebody like Oliver Stone, who has stated when 199 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.920 he examined the photograph during the making of that movie. And here's a guy 200 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.559 who knows a little something about photography. Uh, you know, did say 201 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:25.000 that he's pretty sure that's Love Lady standing in the in the doorways, you 202 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.359 know, right. But you know, like when you when you're trying to 203 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:32.720 say something is one hundred percent rock solid, I mean, would you say 204 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.559 that you're one hundred percent certain that that's love Lady, or would you be 205 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:40.200 more inclined to say, well, that looks like it probably is love Lady. 206 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.920 I would absolutely say that. I would say that it looks like it's 207 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.759 probably love Lady. But I would definitively say it's not Oswald. The the 208 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:53.640 character does not have see And here's the problem with a certain chiropractor. He 209 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.519 does work on this picture out there. Uh, you know, he doesn't 210 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:03.720 take into account all of the aspects of body m canics that are self evident 211 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.720 in any footage of Oswald. This is not the body structure of Lee Harvey 212 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:12.559 Oswald in that doorway under any circumstances, and I would be hard pressed to 213 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:18.160 believe that the distortions would give me a completely different character of the body. 214 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.599 I think you both are absolutely correct. Also, we might want to factor 215 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:30.480 in the fact that none of the witnesses ever said they saw Oswald, even 216 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:37.359 Oswald himself places himself in the building, right, I mean, despite the 217 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.480 fact that people have said that you know these these you know, really, 218 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.599 I don't even know how to describe the note taking of you know, of 219 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:51.519 Fritz there, but I mean it's it's horrendous and it's all in shorthand. 220 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.240 And he says, Okay, I was outside with Bill Shelley, But we 221 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:59.440 don't know necessarily what time that was. You know, there's no annotations there 222 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.839 that make any sort of sense out of that. And here's the thing again, 223 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.359 I would just say that I don't believe it's Oswald generally speaking. Can 224 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.359 I say with one hundred percent certainty that it is love Lady. No, 225 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.039 But again, if I was to make a bet on it, that's that's 226 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:19.400 where it leads me to. And most of the witnesses who have been asked 227 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.839 about that photograph over the years, the people that we know for a fact 228 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.200 we're in the vicinity, have stated that that was most likely Billy Lovelady, 229 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:33.519 even you know, I mean Wesley. I'd like to Wesley bus Sorry, 230 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:38.680 I'd like to add something to you. Good. During the hearings, the 231 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:44.640 Warrant Commission hearings, there is actually a gentleman named Don Bonifad who was looking 232 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:51.200 into this during the actual hearings. And actually it's in Algamy's statements and testimony 233 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:55.640 that this gentleman had contacted him to discuss it. And I'm actually looking at 234 00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:00.759 an article right now the New York Herald Tribune nineteen sixty and it's a six 235 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:04.759 page long document discussing this. So this was under the noses of the Warm 236 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:08.759 Commission when this was taken being taken, the statements were being taken. Another 237 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:14.720 interesting points Marguerite Oswald in her testimony, she stated that the woman and the 238 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:17.480 baby that are in the picture which the caller had mentioned, that it looks 239 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:18.480 like a man's face is blocked there, but if you look closer, it 240 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:23.480 almost looks like the baby's heads in the way. Marguerite Oswald was adamant that 241 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:29.359 that was Marina and June in the picture, and she actually asked the Warm 242 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.279 Commission to take magnifying glasses to look at it. And she was part of 243 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.799 this conspiracy as well, thinking that that was Oswald in the doorway. But 244 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.000 this particular story has been going on for quite some time, and again before 245 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.559 the Warn Commission was actually released. Yeah, that's true, and of course 246 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.839 we find later that, you know, Marguerite is completely wrong because if that 247 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.400 was the case, you know, how could she have been sitting where she 248 00:23:53.720 --> 00:24:00.519 was all that afternoon or all that morning. You know, Marina was traveling 249 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.799 on our own and way exactly the present exactly, So the point right, 250 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.880 and again this is a good indication that this was in fact looked at by 251 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.599 the Warren Commission at that time. So a lot of people like to think 252 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:17.519 that it was just sprung up afterwards, but it's not. They actually knew 253 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:22.440 about this scenario as early as I can find, documented as May twenty fourth 254 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.960 in this article. I do believe Margerite testified prior to that, if I 255 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:32.640 recall, but this was definitely on the books during the Warren Commission hearings. 256 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.720 I would also add, Doorman is sort of like the permutation of all of 257 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:41.799 them, all of these other men that sprang up in all the photography that 258 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:47.799 don't have witnesses, that don't have primary evidence to support them. Well, 259 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.680 yeah, this is another problem. There are a whole lot of these sort 260 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:56.039 of amorphous images that appear in photographs. As again I say, there are 261 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:00.240 artifacts of the type of photography that existed at the time. All right, 262 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.440 And this kind of leads us into another part of the discussion. But you 263 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.519 know, what do you think of what we have to say about that color? 264 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.039 Well, I don't know if he can hear us anymore. I'm sorry, 265 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:21.480 that's my fault. The thing about it, whenever you're dining in photography 266 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:26.160 from these from what's being that has been out in public. You got to 267 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:37.039 remember, there's nobody had their pictures developed themselves. Everything was taken. To 268 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.279 give you a perfect example, going from Houston to am Street, when they 269 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:47.200 make the turn with the limo, it's mighty funny. Two fems that come 270 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:52.880 back are like old fem used to burn a little bit when they get too 271 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.400 close to the lamp. If you remember, and you're going to the movie 272 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:02.680 theaters, there's two separate fees them that will burn at the exact same time. 273 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:10.119 Supposedly they were damaged. How these two films that you are trying to 274 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:15.839 microscopically at the time protect and see what's going on because you trying to find 275 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.599 the killer or what, you know, any little thing that would show up. 276 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:29.160 But yet these two separate films are damaged at the same point. Well, 277 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:32.559 there there's a lot of strange things going on with the films. There 278 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.119 was a dragnet put out by the by the FBI and the Secret Service in 279 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.759 the Dallas area for all films and photographs, UH that went out to the 280 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.960 you know, to the developing labs and everything else to try and capture the 281 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.920 amateur films. Uh best they could, and UH you know, and and 282 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:53.519 some things did slip through by the way, they didn't catch everything if you 283 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:57.160 did, But you don't never see none of that coming out. There's nothing. 284 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:03.920 There is so much evidence in the time from the one of the shells 285 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.480 that wanted the plet me not shells, but one of the slugs that hid 286 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:12.960 in the graph that there's a police officer I believe it's a police officer in 287 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.960 plain clothes and another guy setting there pointing at it. I mean, I've 288 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.319 seen this picture. I've seen so many different pictures of angles and things that 289 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.720 went on. That's like everybody I've heard talking about you can't shoot from the 290 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.000 drain there was not enough room. Well, people have got to remember that 291 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:36.640 road has been repaid probably about four times. Well, you can't. You 292 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.079 can't make the shot from the from the from the storm dream that's on the 293 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.480 low level on the ground. That's like, I don't know that. I 294 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.519 don't know because you've got to go back and take the road back to what 295 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.880 the level it was. And believe me, from a storm drain you've got 296 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:59.240 pretty good range from even like on the grassy No, you've got more range 297 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:04.359 as far as means it and being able to shoot an upper trajectory. Now, 298 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.279 whether they could see it, I don't know that. I haven't done 299 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:14.240 the measurements myself. I'm saying there's more room there to do it at that 300 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.640 day than what you can ever get coming forth today because the road has been 301 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.359 raised. In other words, they don't raise the drain level because they're still 302 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.200 opening there for the water to run in. If you've ever seen a recapped 303 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.480 road, they add on, well, I understand that. But even even 304 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.039 if you allow for that, you got a two degree you got a two 305 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.400 degree downward pitch on Elm Street. Okay, Uh, that's not enough of 306 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:47.440 an elevation from the distance where that storm drain is. Even if you gave 307 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.799 them an extra six to eight inches of height, they're still not going to 308 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.319 be able to get over the limo with a straight trajectory. Doesn't happen. 309 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:57.680 Do you mind if I say something, truck go right ahead? Uh. 310 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:02.559 What I would like to in as well is the wounds don't match that location. 311 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.519 The wounds have to match where the bullet came from comes from. See. 312 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.799 That's the other problem is that the trajectory doesn't match. Now for storm 313 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.000 drains, if you look toward the bridge. Okay, there are storm drain 314 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:21.839 areas over there that are interesting, okay, but the one that's on the 315 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.960 ground there, that's that's highly unlikely. I mean, you know, I 316 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.559 wouldn't say nothing is impossible, but but it doesn't match. And and also 317 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.119 the shot from the grassy hole doesn't match the wounds either. The shot in 318 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.400 the grassynle, though, does match up to the to the bullet that that 319 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:44.599 supposedly landed on the turf over by the manual cover. Now that's a whole 320 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.759 other area, and really nobody wants to examine that, because if you can 321 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:55.039 completely connect that together, you have the absolute guarantee that you've got two shooters, 322 00:29:55.680 --> 00:30:00.039 and no official investigation wants to know about that. The thing I steel 323 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:07.279 maintained that you had more shooters there than than even the two. Because if 324 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.640 you listen to testimony going back for everything, people that are highly qualified, 325 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:21.039 I mean highly qualified, herd bullet them by their ear that was standing over 326 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.720 by the graphy noose. And let me tell you, if you've ever had 327 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.599 a bullet come by your head, you know what it sounds like and feels 328 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.759 like. No I had ever hit No, I understand, and I look 329 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.640 at people like Charles brem who was a witness, who was standing on the 330 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.400 opposite side of the street from the grassy Knoll, who hadn't been in combat, 331 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.039 had understood what it sounds like when a bullet is fired, had known, 332 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.279 you know, had been trained to understand where bullets were coming from, 333 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.359 and everything else. I looked to a guy like that who did explain that 334 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.440 he felt as though one of them had come from that direction. Doesn't mean 335 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.759 that it's one of the ones that struck Kennedy. So let's food. I 336 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.720 mean, that's that's one thing as far as Kennedy, and I know a 337 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.519 lot of people have discounted or don't believe him, and not that I'm saying 338 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.799 I do believe that. I can't tell you who has actually told the story 339 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:18.480 that has not really had the information to actually know what's going on, and 340 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.880 that's James File because the way when you describe that the gifts, what he 341 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:27.440 has done on interview makes more sense than what all these other clowns has come 342 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:33.119 up with. Well, okay, now, now all of us want to 343 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.799 respond to that because the problem with the File story, and I'll just give 344 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.400 you my real quick answer to it, and then I'm gonna let each of 345 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.319 my each of my panel here go at that. The problem with the file 346 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.000 story for me is that it does not match with the forensics. You can't 347 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:56.759 have a shot from that area, and no photographic evidence indicates that there was 348 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.279 a shooter in the position that he claimed to be in. So we've got 349 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:06.440 you. He hadn't actually said where he was exactly at he from his interview 350 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:12.440 that I see he said where he put in that he said. But whenever 351 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:17.200 he comes out in testimony like more in testimony, he actually took the X 352 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.319 where he was at. He has said where he it has changed. His 353 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.759 location has changed. Yeah, his location has actually changed. He's done more 354 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.599 than one interview. You can, Yeah, you can compare them yourself, 355 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.839 and you can hear that he actually does give exactly where his position is. 356 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.279 Uh, he doesn't market I know that. On the original interview that Bob 357 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:43.960 Vernon had commissioned, Uh, he didn't exactly explain. And he said that 358 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.519 if they would come and take his official sworn testimony, that he would make 359 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:51.240 it on a map for them. I know that. But the other later 360 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.200 interviews he did, he gave a lot more explanation as to where he was, 361 00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:00.640 and even in the general vicinity between the differences in the position he's given, 362 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.000 there's no photographic evidence for it, and it doesn't line up to the 363 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.559 head shot in any way, shape or form, and he definitively says he 364 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.119 scored the head shot. Now that's my commentary. I want to give a 365 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.759 Carmine and Zach and Trish each a chance to say something about it, though, 366 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:25.000 ladies first, shall Zach Igo, I thank you. I just find 367 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.119 it interesting again, I mentioned this on the last show that you know James 368 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.359 File came up as soon as the Roscale White story was debunked, and I 369 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:39.960 just find it very intriguing how one person is knocked down and then another flash 370 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:45.279 of people are coming up with these stories. Again, James File is incredible. 371 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.920 That's the nuts and bolts of it. Unfortunately, you know, again 372 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.759 we have witnesses, apparent witnesses that claim that they saw Roscal White the shooter 373 00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:01.759 there. I'm speaking particularly about Beverly Over, but again it's been proven time 374 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.440 and time again that he was not in fact there. And then of course 375 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.960 you know where was files during this time when Roscar White was on the map, 376 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.760 And I'd like to I'd like to, you know, elaborate a little 377 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.599 bit on what Chuck said about the forensic information about I spent a lot of 378 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:25.480 time reading the testimonies of the people that you know performed the autopsy and were 379 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:32.760 present, and they all universally agree that the shot went basically depending upon who 380 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:37.400 you are trust in this, that it came from the back to the front 381 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.679 or the front to the back, and all of the evidence, the X 382 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.920 rays, which are quite cleared that the damage is that it didn't come from 383 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.639 the side. It was evidently a blow out of some sort and the side 384 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.840 area, but it no way did a shot come or exit. In no 385 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.599 way did a shot come from the side. A bullet can't do a U 386 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.920 turn his head, so if it came from the right side, it can't 387 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:15.719 exit from the right side either. May I go? Okay? The beginning 388 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:21.639 of my problems with mister Files and his story are that one, he has 389 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.639 changed his story multiple times, not only the location of where he said he 390 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:31.679 was, but he has also changed He originally went with Garrison's claim that the 391 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.039 route was never published and there was a last minute change, which is not 392 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.480 true. If you go back and you look at the newspapers Dallas Morning News 393 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.039 Dallas Times Herald. You can see the full route was published. It was 394 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:53.960 published on the nineteenth, which causes there's two Dallas Times Herald Dallas Morning News. 395 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.599 Yeah, but but they did publish the route. It was out there. 396 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.199 This wasn't a lot next minute thing, as files claimed. There wasn't 397 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.400 no last minute changed. The Secret Service finished it on the eighteenth. It 398 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.199 was published on the nineteenth. That's the earliest Oswalk could have learned if he 399 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.079 did it alone, which kind of kills the commission. But that's another story. 400 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.679 No, both that both of those papers published the same route, which 401 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.679 is the real route, a foolish route because they didn't need to make that 402 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:29.039 turn. They could have bypassed, and that was against all protocol out there 403 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.639 to start with. Well, yeah, absolutely it was. And back then, 404 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.800 yes, back then, yes, it was that the vehicle should have 405 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.199 never run that slow, it should have never made that kind of turn, 406 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:43.400 It should have never been exposed for that long to people. There was all 407 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:49.280 kinds of things wrong with the Secret Service protection. But interestingly enough, as 408 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:53.280 far as I know, and I haven't seen evidence to the contrary, they're 409 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:58.679 they're exactly right about their assertions. Regarding what was published and what was public 410 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.519 knowledge, and it was knowledge on the nineteenth what the Motorca route would be. 411 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.079 Yeah, So I mean that pretty much, in my opinion, kills 412 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.880 his story. If he's creating any part of it, why should we regard 413 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:15.159 any of it. So if the story changes, then he's got the forensic 414 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.199 and medical inconsistency, Zac pointed out, then he's got the inconsistencies. And 415 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.719 he sort of kind of crops up conveniently after the Ricky White story goes down, 416 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.760 though Chuck told us he was around before that as well, because the 417 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.079 story was sold. It was sold from Bob Vernon to whim Dank Fire. 418 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.960 And let me revert back to one question. Whenever we was talking about the 419 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:43.039 shot going from front to back or back to front, how do you have 420 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.400 a actually going from the front if there is a side entrance that you have 421 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:54.320 a blowout in the back of the head that all doctors in that trauma room 422 00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:00.599 said, plus nurses said, was in the back of king his head. 423 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:05.960 If you don't that blowout had to come from some way, and it was 424 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.199 the way in which his head was actually timed. And remember you're deming with 425 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:16.119 a film that has been altered. There is no mistake about that film was 426 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.800 altered. Okay, I'll give you that point. That film was altered, 427 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:25.280 and let's just discard the film. How about this. I spent time talking 428 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:32.559 to doctor McClellan, who was president of Parkland also. Now, the account 429 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.159 that I understand is that it sounds to me like you have something that passed 430 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:45.840 very much on the right side of Kennedy's head, Okay, seemingly from front 431 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.800 to back. Not only that, but we have other accounts here where there's 432 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.679 plenty of reliable medical witnesses who saw the body as well that explained that you 433 00:38:54.800 --> 00:39:00.239 have a small bullet hole coming in through the throat, okay, which they 434 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:07.679 wound up utilizing to uh, to do what tracheostomy in order to perform you 435 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.599 know what was really a waste of time the life saving procedures they attempted because 436 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.559 his head is blown apart, right, and the main the main part of 437 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.679 the blowout, when you look at the X rays, when you listen to 438 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.119 the people that actually handles the body that are willing to talk to anybody anymore, 439 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.840 uh, the main part of the blowout is on the side of the 440 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.159 head. And if you consider the pressure cavity that would be created from a 441 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:35.079 bullet entering from front to back or back to front. Either way, Uh, 442 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.159 it makes a whole lot more sense. But now, what you're saying 443 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.800 was on the side of the head was refer to what was in the film 444 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.360 because if you look, but I'm not referring to it, you see, 445 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.440 I'm not referring to the film at all. I'm telling you the side of 446 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.519 the head that you're saying that was blown out, there was no shot from 447 00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.519 the front. The front of that head is not heart is if he took 448 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.880 a picture of his eye and he gotta scray up the skull, there's no 449 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.000 damage. The bullet went into the side. Plus, if you remember what 450 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.599 I'm just going on, what foule sal see, there's the problem because the 451 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.679 x rays, if you ever look at the X rays, you can see 452 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.280 a good portion of the skull missing right up to the eye. Okay, 453 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:30.719 which uh, which is not an undamaged face. The undamaged face idea is 454 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:35.920 really kind of fictitious because it comes from the fact that when they laid him 455 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.440 on his back, there's that picture they called the stare of death picture, 456 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:45.719 and all you gotta do, and as we learned later by constantly talking to 457 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.559 those who performed that autopsy and were present when the pictures were taken, skin 458 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.079 was laid over all kinds of areas in order to make it look certain ways. 459 00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.880 Okay, so forget the film, it's in the AI the files as 460 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.880 well, where they talk about they say reflected, They reflected the skin and 461 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.960 the bone. They replaced pieces to make it look more whole for certain pictures, 462 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:14.920 right, and the reflected portion is what they call sometimes the mystery photograph, 463 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.199 where you can literally see portion of the skull and it's almost hard to 464 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.280 orient. And in fact, doctor Michael Bobbon most famously publicly could not orient 465 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:29.800 the photograph correctly on an easel for the HSCA thank you, But anyway, 466 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:36.639 Zach, you had something to say. The only thing I was referring to 467 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:47.920 was fall. Yeah, yeah, another important point to make about with no 468 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.800 problem. But if look, if the files story doesn't match the evidence, 469 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.639 what he's supposed to do with it. The shot to the side of the 470 00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.079 head doesn't work, based on the X rays, based on the photographs that 471 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:06.280 have been released, based on witness testimony, based on a whole lot of 472 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.000 things. He couldn't have scored that headshot, and he does insist he scored 473 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:13.480 that headshot. No matter whatever the story. If you look at one of 474 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.960 the pictures that were shown, there is an interest wound on the side of 475 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:23.679 the head about at the point of where Foul puts his finger asking him hitting, 476 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.280 because he was saying, I think it was Rosetti that was behind him. 477 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.840 They both shot simultaneously. Oh right, damn, okay, I understand, 478 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:38.400 But there is no entrance wound on the side. The fractures which emanate 479 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:44.440 from the hole in the picture. This is the round hole in the picture. 480 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.320 This ain't no fracture. Fractors don't fractor in a round, circular or 481 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.679 old, sir. The picture you have might not be an original. And 482 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.119 if you don't have an original, you don't have the right picture the picture 483 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:04.840 doctor. But no, no, there are originals, sir, you just 484 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:10.000 do not have them because the ones that are not the originals original where the 485 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:15.800 gentleman placed the metal fragments in the goal for the X rays. Once again, 486 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.400 you're just saying things that you saw on this thing. And unless you 487 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:27.960 have evidence with the gentleman that did the actual X rays. Okay, But 488 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:34.280 that's one person's opinion if there's no evidence the opinion when he's the guy that 489 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.719 did it you're talking about, not the guy claims to be the guy you're 490 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:42.599 talking about, Gerald Custer, And there is a dispute as to a whether 491 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.360 he was actually the one doing the X rays. First of all, because 492 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.440 there was more than one person operating that portable X ray machine that night. 493 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.719 I ever saw was the one operating the portable X ray machine who I spoke 494 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:59.880 to also back in the early nineties, didn't get much out of them, 495 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:05.519 unfortunately, but uh but sadly, Uh yeah, Eversall was the one who 496 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.079 was actually in charge. And again, you know, we can we can 497 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.079 go back and forth as to witnesses contradicting each other and uh even Gerald Custer 498 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.599 contradicting himself, which has done over the years. Uh. He is dead 499 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.800 now, so he can't defend himself anymore. But the fact is that that 500 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.519 he was. He also contradicted himself and that's where the idea of laying the 501 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.079 extra fragmentships from and all that too. Let me ask you this, it 502 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.559 was ball up the four Do you think the bullet hole in the front of 503 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:42.280 the throat was exit or answered, my opinion would be entrance. I'm glad 504 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.800 to hear that because even the one doctor that has been saying it all the 505 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.760 time, uh that it was an entrance. All of a sudden, there's 506 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.280 been wonderport where it came out that it was an exit because they heard they 507 00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:00.400 was a shot in the back, which that is the biggest because they was 508 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.760 shot in the back first, there's no doubt, but that bullet didn't go 509 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.840 anywhere near the throat because there's no way for it to alligne to do it. 510 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.559 No, that's that's right. Here's what I believe. I believe that 511 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.639 there is a wound in Kennedy's back, there is a wound in Kennedy's throat, 512 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.239 and there is a wound in Kennedy's head. That is what I believe, 513 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.440 based on all the different experts that I've spoken to, based on the 514 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.880 fact that I've seen the X rays, based on the fact that I've seen 515 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.760 the closest thing to the autopsy photos that you can possibly get, which was 516 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.519 made from the fox set, I would say that that is exactly the case. 517 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:43.199 But the shot from the side, the shot from the knoll, didn't 518 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.679 land. Even if one was fired, And I won't even argue that one 519 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:52.400 was fired. I believe that it did not strike Kennedy. That's that's highly 520 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.239 possible, you know. It's it's mighty funny that everybody ran to that direction. 521 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:02.239 They didn't run to the street, didn't run backwards. They all run 522 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.639 through the know. How many films have you examined of the aftermath of the 523 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:13.679 assassination, The one that's mostly been shown one guy with his wife and child 524 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.679 that went down on the ground. Okay, that that that out there? 525 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:21.280 He was he was certain one come from the know. Well, the best 526 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.719 image of the best image of that family you're talking about actually comes from a 527 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:30.920 film that was shot by a by a Navy photographer and various shots of them. 528 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.199 Oh, good lord. Bill Man, he was pretty close too. 529 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.840 He was there. He was really young. He was there with his wife, 530 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.960 Bill Newman. Bill Newman, that's who it is. Bill Newman is 531 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.039 on the ground over over top of his son, with his wife over top 532 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.000 of another one of their children. That comes from a Navy photographer. There 533 00:46:52.039 --> 00:47:01.440 are over there are over thirty five films taken of the sequence between between Houston, 534 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.079 Maine and elm only three of them to the best of my noteweight one, 535 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.199 two, three, excuse me, four of them actually capture the head 536 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:15.119 shot. But there are actually four films that capture the shooting sequence to some 537 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:21.400 degree. And there's actually two of them that I'm personally in possession of that 538 00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:27.039 have never been shown on any TV show. But anyway, the thing is, 539 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:31.360 when you look at all those films, they're also kind of consistent with 540 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.199 the existing X rays, with the existing like I say, the Fox version 541 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.960 of the autopsy photos and all that. I'm sorry, I'm like dominating this 542 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.559 conversation. I mean, but the thing is with files, there's no headshot 543 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:52.639 from the side, there's no evidence for it from the blood spatter, which 544 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.559 I covered in depth on here with Sherry Feaster. There's no evidence of it 545 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.639 in the photographs, there's no evidence of it in the X rays. And 546 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.760 despite the fact that witnesses ran to the knell. Okay, because you got 547 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.360 to understand, Dale Plaza is not something where it's easy to discern where shots 548 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.000 come from. Okay, that is one of those lone nut points that they 549 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.280 make that I actually agree with that an ear witness is not really that great 550 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.239 in this case. But if you look at the aftermath from a whole lot 551 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:25.000 of those other films, you'll also find that people ran in some other directions 552 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:32.239 as well. The majority did run to the knell. But that that's why 553 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.639 I'm saying. I'm not looking. I'm not saying that he that James File 554 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:44.519 did it or whatever. I'm just saying what he has pointed out from what 555 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:49.880 pictures I have. Because there is one picture of Kennedy laying there that you 556 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:55.559 have to look, but there is a circular hole right up above headed back 557 00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:01.079 to the top center of his head set through the hole right behind that, 558 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:06.599 I would say probably like a half inch to the inch behind his eyebrow. 559 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:14.280 Okay, And it's because there's open bomb there, right. That's a defect 560 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.920 that I'm telling you. Now, if you look at the clear direct image 561 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.199 on the Fox set, it looks a whole lot different than what's circulating out 562 00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.079 there, and it does look a whole lot more circular. And I don't 563 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.000 know if anybody altered it or whatever over time, it looks a whole lot 564 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.559 more circular in these images that are being you know, passed around on the 565 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:36.480 internet. But I can tell you when it comes to the autopsy and all 566 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.360 that went on there. I don't have any faith in any of that because 567 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.920 the bottom line, that was nothing but the cover up from the from the 568 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:49.119 time they rolled his body whenever it got there, for the time he left. 569 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.880 It was total cover up. Marrith bomb, Yeah, go go right 570 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.639 ahead, and then and then I'll sell you what I'm gonna do. I'm 571 00:49:55.639 --> 00:50:00.679 gonna move on after that. Okay. It's really a question of numbers, 572 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.559 sir. They can't cover up everything. There's over ten million files and that's 573 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.280 just in the files we know about, so they can't. They didn't have 574 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.280 time. They wouldn't have time to run the government for the last fifty years 575 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:16.519 if they were busy altering everything. At most maybe one to five percent of 576 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:21.239 everything got altered. Most things couldn't be because the Commission didn't know about most 577 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.719 of the files. The NHSCA ain't never had access to all of the files, 578 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.000 and new files came out after all these people were dead, so they 579 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.920 couldn't have altered everything. It's a very very small amount of key things that 580 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.639 would be altered or destroyed, not everything. But when it comes to the 581 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.039 autopsy car Mine, I think we could probably all agree that it was done 582 00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:47.000 so disastrous. Yes, you know nothing. You where you thought alt and 583 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.239 you all can one part of it. It changes the whole picture, Yes 584 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:53.840 it does, but that doesn't mean everything is tainted. That means that one 585 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.199 piece of evidence is tainted, not everything. Paint is the whole thing. 586 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.920 No it doesn't. Yeah, no, these days I am along a wound. 587 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.480 Then you won't have any correct for anything else. Yes, but that 588 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.239 would only paint the medical investigation. That doesn't paint the whole case. The 589 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.559 other evidence is still good. The majority of the evidence is there, but 590 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.000 people have to look at it. They can't just guess. That's the problem 591 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.079 is a lot of people are just guessing. They're not reading the evidence. 592 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.400 Well, I'll tell you what we're gonna do. I didn't even get your 593 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:32.360 name. Caller, Paul, what's your name? All Paul? Paul? 594 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.400 Okay, Paul, listen, I really thank you. You've you've contributed a 595 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.239 great deal to the show, and I'm sorry. I mean, at the 596 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:43.800 end of the day, I don't believe the file story, and I don't 597 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:51.159 know anybody who that I would consider, somebody who has actually investigated any of 598 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.000 this stuff in depth to really actually believe his story. And I'll tell you 599 00:51:54.119 --> 00:52:00.239 something, if for a moment, anybody in any sort of position and the 600 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.960 power wanted to go after him. You know, you've got confessions on tape, 601 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.440 you know, And uh, I would love to see them dissect it 602 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.559 and try and prove that it's a reality. Uh, you know, and 603 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:14.559 I and I would love that. That would be the easy solution. That 604 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.760 would be great. But that was the investigator that was supposed to interview him, 605 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.760 that was about to have Kennedy's body as zoomed. No, nobody has 606 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:30.599 ever successfully gotten anywhere near exhooming Kennedy's body. I think his name was West, 607 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.599 wasn't it. Yeah. West wanted that done, supposedly, and a 608 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.559 lot of things have been said post his death, and he did leave the 609 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.480 file story. But I got to tell you he wasn't anywhere near Nobody has 610 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.920 ever come near exhooming Kennedy's body, which would settle a whole lot of stuff. 611 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:52.360 The one dying for sure is still an open case. It ain't closed. 612 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.599 No, it's still an open homicide on Dallas on Dallas police flaughter today. 613 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.599 As that's that's the straining thing. If they had this belong if they 614 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.400 had it all in the evidence, they would have done closed this case a 615 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:10.000 long time ago. It's still open. Therefore, like I said, everything 616 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.159 that you look at, no matter how much you investigate it, you have 617 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:20.679 to really question it more than what. Oh well, I think this is 618 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:24.599 headed the right way. That's why I said I was leaning to James File 619 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:32.639 because a lot of what he said was adding toward toward what looks like that 620 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.159 i'd seen. Not saying that he was the cat that did it, but 621 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:42.599 a lot of stuff that he was telling he had no way or access to 622 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.920 that information because he's been in jail for damn long. I understand that. 623 00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:51.400 That's why I think a lot of his information turns out to be inconsistent with 624 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.599 a lot of other evidence. So look, I'm gonna let you go, 625 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.840 but I really appreciate all your contributions to the show tonight. Man. I 626 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.039 want to thank you for calling in Paul problem. Appreciate it. And then 627 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:05.239 you're doing this conversation, and please don't type none of my voice gions. 628 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.159 It's to heart. You love discussing. Listen, it's all in open discussion, 629 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:12.480 and I'm glad to have it. Thank you, sir, Thank you. 630 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.519 So that was Paul's thing, and and there you go again with the 631 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.679 files thing. Uh notice that no matter how many times I say it's inconsistent 632 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.599 with the evidence, Well, then maybe the evidence is no good. Uh 633 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.119 why is his story going to have more weight than the actual evidence that we 634 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.440 do know about, et cetera, et cetera. Well, what can I 635 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.199 say? I don't know, guys, what do you responder? Or Zach? 636 00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.480 Do you guys want to go first? Well, I just want to 637 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.400 say one thing, and I want to say something about Jeril Custer, is 638 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:53.039 that I would suggest that anybody read his r BE testimony or listen to it, 639 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:58.159 and then they can decide whether or not he's telling the truth. Oh 640 00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:04.960 yeah, definitely do that. But also examine his earlier statements because, like 641 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.599 I said, they did change. There are changes, there are alterations or 642 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:14.880 additions, So examine the whole thing. Well, he was I mean, 643 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.320 he was also on the stand. He was on the stand for you know, 644 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.559 his testimony, and you'd have to give that a certain amount of weight 645 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:27.639 as well well. Right, But also the influence of various things. I 646 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:34.000 mean, he literally walked into one of his ARRB meetings carrying a conspiracy oriented 647 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:38.079 book, which I'm not even gonna name here, Okay, So got to 648 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:45.559 remember that sometimes over time, different witnesses wind up adopting ideas based on the 649 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.559 literature that happens, you know. I mean, even a guy like James 650 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.480 Take, who was and I point this out all the time, was struck 651 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.800 in the face by something, either piece of a curb, piece of a 652 00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.719 bullet, you know, depending on what you think happened, and the ordeal 653 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.079 that he suffered afterwards. That those are all real things. But toward the 654 00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.519 end of his life he was another guy screaming that LBJ did it, you 655 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:14.599 know what I mean. And even a book was released by him. Well, 656 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.320 the book that he did, you know, that he brought in didn't 657 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:22.679 have much daring on the important things that he did discuss, such as the 658 00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:28.239 intimidation and the fact that the extrays at that gentleman was discussing this on the 659 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.440 call, there did seem to take place and they were proven that they were 660 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:37.159 fabricated. Oh yeah, there is problems that there's X rays over and over 661 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.800 again. I mean, you know, David Mantick again, another guy who's 662 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.840 really interesting, pointed out some of the problems with you know, how you 663 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.480 have a left and right orientation to X rays and how they seem to be 664 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.159 made from copies and all kinds of problems. And meanwhile he was looking at 665 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:57.960 the originals, which technically speaking, the originals have not been released to the 666 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:04.280 public, right, And you know, it's just an interesting to take into 667 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.920 accounts all the different facets of what he had to say. And it ties 668 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:09.800 into one of the things that we were talking about to night with the photographic 669 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:14.119 evidence, and one of the things that was brought up was the fact that 670 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.079 some of the ex rays were intentionally burned during the procedure. They were held 671 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.360 up against hot lights and and you know, basically damaged right while this you 672 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:29.480 know, was taking place well, right, And I would I would attribute 673 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.039 that to the fact that they were looking for bullet fragments in them in the 674 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.159 body and they kept pulling out the films as they were being developed. That's 675 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.000 why these guys are running back and forth. And I don't take one person's 676 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:44.599 testimony on that. Not only did Custers say that, but others who were 677 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.639 president said that they were running back and forth and trying to examine these films 678 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.159 like on the lie under pressure with all this chaos going on in the Morgue. 679 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:58.039 You know, at Bethesda, there's all sorts of possibilities for those original 680 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.119 films to have been damaged, miss handled, burn held up to the wrong 681 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:05.679 light, you name it. Yeah, And then then you added, these 682 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.960 are these are high these are highly experienced pathologists. They should no better than 683 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:14.559 to hold you know, X spree or go up the X rays against hot 684 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.519 lights. I mean, that's there's no excuse for that. Well, no, 685 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.199 I don't think that necessarily it was the pathologist that did it. It 686 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.199 was probably the aides. There were over twenty people in the room, and 687 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.119 then you got to figure all of the agendas of the different people there and 688 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:29.920 who they're representing. Plus you got se Bert and O'Neill trying to keep notes 689 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.840 that specter won't even recognize as having been written later, right, and and 690 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.719 the whole thing though with ever saw directing h two X ray guys, one 691 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.360 of them being Custer and the other one I don't remember off the top of 692 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:49.440 my head. I think it was Reebe j uh direct was one of the 693 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.159 photographers. That's correct. Reebe was one of the photographers. You're right, 694 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.760 that's the one who claims that his whole his whole film was uh exposed and 695 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:02.800 destroyed. He also claims he also claims that over one hundred of his photographs 696 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.320 were taken. He claims that he took over one hundred press photography, certain 697 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:13.079 photographs of a certain format and that just never appeared best pack photographs. They 698 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:16.119 were called black and white ones, right, and Stringer when looking at the 699 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:22.000 photographs, when they was presented with the original photographs, UH didn't want to 700 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.119 say that he used that type of film or anything else. Well, that's 701 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:30.440 what made version. So I think that that that definitely contributed to the confusion 702 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.880 because Anacosta made a version and the White House made a version. So now 703 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.400 we've got two sets, some in color, some in black and white. 704 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:42.519 And at the end of the day, once everything's done by the AARB, 705 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:49.639 not only Stringer, Stringer, Spencer, Humes think ever saw Boswell, all 706 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.920 of them had problems with some of the pictures. Right. They claimed that 707 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.360 either they were missing, there were there were photographs missing, or they did 708 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.079 not represent what they saw that night or whatever. There were very different marks 709 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:06.960 than what she saw when you processed them at Anacosta, right, Right, 710 01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.760 So I mean, well, these these photographs, so these photographs that rebe 711 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.000 claimed disappeared with an entirely different sort of format, and none of them reappeared. 712 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.159 And they were over one hundred of them. Oh yeah, No, 713 01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:23.239 the Secret Service supposedly uh confiscated everything. All the pictures were taken, right, 714 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.360 Well, these never reappeared period. So I mean, and there's there's 715 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:32.880 X rays that were taken, such as a chest X ray that has never 716 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:38.039 appeared. There's other refections that were never been taken that never surfaced again. 717 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.800 I mean, there's a lot of different aspects of this that really shine a 718 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.800 lot of you know, it's criminality if you will, on the part of 719 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:52.119 those who did the autopsy. I mean, it's not just sloppiness. Yeah, 720 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.840 no, it's in some cases I would say it's obstruction of justice and 721 01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:00.800 suppression of evidence. No. Absolutely, Like the fact that the why incision 722 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.800 photograph is missing. You know, give me a break that that you can't 723 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.800 mistake that one. Okay, you could say, well, maybe he was 724 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:12.199 laying on his back, maybe he was laying on his you know, on 725 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.239 his side. You could say maybe they sat him up, maybe they didn't. 726 01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.480 But you know, during all these photographs, where the hell is the 727 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:22.960 why incision? There had to have been one made. Well, kind of 728 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:25.920 like the brain, where's the brain? Where's Waldo? Yeah? Right, 729 01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.760 And at the end of the day, I think it's actually the the fact 730 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.599 that there's still confusion in it means that there's still evidence somewhere, you know, 731 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:38.400 that that has yet to be revealed. And I grant that, and 732 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:42.440 I even grant the arguments from a lot of people who believe that things were 733 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:47.440 intentionally altered and all that. But if you just take what is in existence 734 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:52.599 now and try and compare it to the story, if you can't even begin 735 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.559 to match it up to one of these accounts, I'm sorry. I discounted, 736 01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:00.239 you know. And that's that's the problem with Files in my estimation. 737 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:05.480 Well, that's being responsible, you know, that's what you have to do 738 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.000 in this case. And you can't just rely upon one, you know, 739 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:12.679 account, you have to have it backed up or your potential waste in your 740 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.599 time. Oh and Files, especially because if one follows the trail of James 741 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:22.679 Files, it leads to Wim bunk Bar, who was also a proponent of 742 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:29.880 the Judith Baker story, which we all know quite quite well. So I 743 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:35.800 would assume that mister File's story, based on all the inconsistencies is perhaps another 744 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.920 feasible myth. I was trying very very hard not to bring up miss You 745 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:46.440 know I posted in a Facebook group illegally this week. Ye yeah, because 746 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:51.679 Judith. Yeah, Judith Baker literally claimed that I posted in a Facebook group 747 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.360 illegally. Okay. I liked when someone posted the Facebook police pitcher that was 748 01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.880 a favorite of money. But anyway, I was trying not to bring up 749 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:07.320 Judy. I was trying, but I failed. Okay, So do we 750 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:09.400 want to move on to something else, because I mean pretty much files is 751 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.719 one of those things that I take as a myth. Yep, next, 752 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:22.920 yeahsh I've been doing a little bit of research on the testimony, and one 753 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:27.079 of the testimonies that really jumped out. I've been following the photographers actually that 754 01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.719 we're partaking in the motorcade, and one that came up that was really interesting 755 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:35.519 was mister Underwood. And I don't know if anybody's ever taken the time to 756 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.519 read his testimony, but he actually had a broken camera and he was trying 757 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:43.000 to swap it off at the corner of Main Street and Record Street with one 758 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.559 of his associates. But he claimed that the motorcade was traveling too fast and 759 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:50.960 it was an impossibility to do that. Near the end of his testimony, 760 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.599 he states that basically he recalls sitting down and speaking to someone named Eunice, 761 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:59.760 and of course he got the name wrong, which is Amos Ewans. And 762 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.880 Ewans had stated that he had seen the shooter, he had seen the man 763 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.840 actually pulling the trigger, and he said that it was a colored fellow that 764 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.639 did it, a black man. So I went to the extent of following 765 01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:16.719 up on his testimony, and it's quite interesting because I don't want to say 766 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:21.599 changed, but he definitely seems to have skipped over a few parts. And 767 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:26.039 it was claimed that he had seen a white spot, a bald spot on 768 01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:29.400 the gentleman's head, and he wanted to clarify that he did not tell the 769 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.480 FBI when he gave his Affidavid that it was a white gentleman. So I'm 770 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.599 really not sure where this is going. But I've been doing a lot of 771 01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:40.039 following up. So it's not so much just what the pictures tell you, 772 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:44.559 it's what the actual photographers of the pictures have to say as well. Another 773 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.559 thing that I found extremely interesting, One thing I want to add, Christ 774 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:49.920 sorry, one thing I want to add, just to give listeners a point 775 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:57.280 of reference for amos Ewans is that he can be seen photographed in various films 776 01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:03.639 and photographs being taken away not very long app on the three wheel motorcycles from 777 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:10.039 the Dallas Police. And he was a very young yeah it was. It 778 01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.199 was a ninth grade. Uh. He was black kid, by the way, 779 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.880 So a black kid identifying and in the window, by the way, 780 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:24.360 which you know, to me could be reasonably explained because after all, Bonnie 781 01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:29.960 Ray Williams and oh boy, who's that other guy? They're they're both on 782 01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:34.960 the window sill there on the fifth Jarman junior Jarman. Right, they're both 783 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:40.119 on the fifth floor sitting on the windowsill. And you can see that in 784 01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:44.880 various foll times and they were absolutely present and it could have seen that as 785 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:48.039 well. So but there, but there is a weird sort of thing where 786 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:53.360 his testimony changes and a lot of people were pressured to change their testimony. 787 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.119 That happened too. Yes, And it's interesting because all the gentlemen that were 788 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.360 in that press car that I've been reached, and Couch being one of them, 789 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.800 Couch said that Bob Jackson actually pointed out that there was a rifle out 790 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:11.159 of the window, and he saw the rifle as well. Amos had stated 791 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:13.679 that he had thought it was a pipe sticking out of a window. He 792 01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.000 was kind of again, being young, fifteen or so, he thought it 793 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:18.760 was just a pipe sticking out of the window. The rest of the gentleman 794 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:24.400 in that press card did not see the rifle. And one thing, let 795 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.840 me just double check who it was. I believe it was Jackson, he 796 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.360 said when they were rounding the corner around the third shot, he distinctly smelled 797 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.360 gunpowder as he went through, and they double checked what he was saying, 798 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:38.880 and in his testimony he says quite clearly that he smells gun powder coming around 799 01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:42.039 that corner. So again, this is just something I'm looking into. I'm 800 01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:46.000 not really sure where it's leading to. But nonetheless, the photos tell the 801 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.639 story, but so do the people who took the photos, and it's really 802 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:53.679 important to hear their words and read testimonies. I mean that, I can't 803 01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:57.960 stress that enough, all right, And even going to somebody like Abraham Subruder, 804 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.800 who is the most well known photographer from the assassination, the you know, 805 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:05.800 the amazed and loss right, I mean, you know, he claimed 806 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:11.360 that that he actually photographed the turn on Elm Street, and everything which is 807 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:15.480 not present in extent is a bruder film by the way, you know, 808 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:19.360 in that sense been explained allegedly by the fact that he turned and wound his 809 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.400 camera during that time period. I got a little bit of a problem with 810 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:30.719 that, but anyway, Yeah, there's a lot of weird interesting you know. 811 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.519 Did Dan dan Rather when he was interviewed a couple of days later, 812 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:40.760 he even said that he saw turning onto in the film. Yeah, But 813 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.559 in all fairness, of course, Dan Rather also said he saw the head 814 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:47.159 go violently forward. Well, sure enough, but I mean, why would 815 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:49.480 you make that up? Why would you make up the fact that there was 816 01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:53.440 a turn? There's nothing sinister about that. At the time, there would 817 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:56.880 have been no reason for him have made that up. And another interesting thing 818 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.519 about that turn is if you look at a Jim Towner pitcher, it's a 819 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:05.679 most famous picture he took. From my knowledge, it shows a strange van 820 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:11.440 in the background and basically parked on I believe it's Elm Street when the round 821 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.400 in the corner, and it's actually printed in a time Life magazine, but 822 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.000 it looks as though someone edited out. It's shadowy, it's glory. It's 823 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:21.720 almost like two people standing in front of the van. And I'll post a 824 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:26.039 picture on your website just so people can see it. But it's a very 825 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.359 unusual picture and you can definitely tell that somebody had touched it up or made 826 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:34.399 modifications. So something unusual seems to have happened around that corner between the gunpowder 827 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:39.119 smell this van, with the modifying of the Jim Towner picture, something was 828 01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:45.920 going on in that corner well. And it's getting back to this approved of 829 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:49.239 film. That's basically the section of the film in my mind that has the 830 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:55.239 most indication that the film is altered because of the bystanders back behind it. 831 01:08:55.640 --> 01:09:00.199 You can basically map out using other photographs that the bystanders that are visible across 832 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:04.159 the air section of them right behind there in Houston by dal Texo. There 833 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:09.520 there's no way on earth that that matches up properly. That's just not humanly 834 01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:13.800 possible. And barely anybody's testimony was taken from the people in that corner as 835 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:17.640 well, so again, something was going on in that corner. No, 836 01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.239 certainly there's a lot of weird stuff there, and of course Tina towner took 837 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:27.119 a film of them turning the corner, which which you can that's right, 838 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:32.319 it's really brief and that's I believe that was his daughter, right, Yes, 839 01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:36.479 yes, his thirteen year old daughter. Yeah. One of the many 840 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:40.359 films that's not you know, dead, that has shown in brief, you 841 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.119 know, in compilations of films, but has never seen in its complete form, 842 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:51.199 by the way. So anyway, uh so on onward and forward. 843 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:55.000 I mean, what else do we need to cover here? Because we've actually 844 01:09:55.039 --> 01:10:02.920 gone through a whole hour. I was, yeah, well, unfortunately I 845 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:08.479 had to the little files debunking, but touch fine, Well it needs to 846 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:13.039 be done, though, don't you think? Yeah? Apparently you know? 847 01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:16.880 So what else I can tell you? The Skype question I got. You 848 01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:21.680 guys are going to love this one. I don't know how much you guys 849 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:30.840 know about the book Mortal Error, but yeah, here we go. Hear 850 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.560 that? Sigh? Right? Okay, Well, this of course has to 851 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:40.880 do with the alleged secret Service agent Hickey, who won a lawsuit against the 852 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.760 author of that book, by the way, for being blamed for shooting Kennedy 853 01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:47.000 in the back of the head with an AR fifteen. It was settled out 854 01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:49.800 of court, as I was corrected because I said he won too. It 855 01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.359 was settled out of court. Oh excuse me, but it was settled in 856 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:59.239 the favor of mister Hickey. Of course it was. But they like to 857 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.640 say it was settled out of court to try to give it some credibility. 858 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:05.680 Yeah, well that was the final solution on it. But I could have 859 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:10.279 we should double check that, because I think they actually lost one case and 860 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:14.600 then settled it out of court after I think that's what happened. I'll go 861 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.479 with your member better than mine. I just now one of the debates I 862 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:21.039 had included this ridiculous idea. No, I could be wrong, double check 863 01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:24.399 it. I mean, you know, that's one of those things that I 864 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:29.479 just took as a laugh because I could not believe it when I saw in 865 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:34.439 twenty thirteen that they were actually producing new TV shows based on the idea that 866 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:39.039 this was even a remote possibility. Well, he's dead now, so now 867 01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:42.840 they can't be sued. Well yeah, but I mean, come on, 868 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:50.319 I mean, you guys want to attack the whole secret Service agent shot him 869 01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:59.000 in the back of the head nonsense or what? Ladies? First, Well, 870 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.760 I'm honest, like I've heard this story as well, goes with the 871 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:08.039 driver shooting him. I mean, I just, I really I have no 872 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.159 comment on it, because I mean, what is there to comment. I 873 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:15.000 mean, the likelihood of that happening is very slim to none. I'd like 874 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.319 to think that they're there to protect them, not to shoot them. Again, 875 01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:23.079 there's just there's nothing that adds up with that story at all. I 876 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:26.119 mean, again, there's nobody from the car that the gentleman was in with 877 01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:30.159 the ak stating that you know he misfired. You know, there's nothing. 878 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:36.960 There's nothing there grasping its straws. Right, Okay, so what else do 879 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:43.560 we have on deck? If I throw in a may I throw in a 880 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:49.439 quick quot note on the that idea, Oh please do Not A single witness, 881 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:56.279 once again, just like exactly, not a single witness supports that. 882 01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.840 I would imagine if an eight point forty seven went off or next to you, 883 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:06.479 you'd hear it. You know it's going to be smoke. Well, 884 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.640 it's it's a civilian issue of the M sixteen, which is the A or 885 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.760 oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, But but either way, I 886 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.199 would assume that even if it is set into a single shot you know, 887 01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:21.680 selection mode, that kind of thing would be kind of obvious to people. 888 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:27.039 Yeah, maybe some of the witnesses watching might have mentioned it. They might 889 01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:33.520 have maybe maybe, But then again, you know again, like like she 890 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.560 brought up with the limo driver. I mean, you know, simply because 891 01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:43.600 there wasn't any witnesses doesn't mean we can't believe it, because after you know, 892 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:46.439 exactly why let evidence get in the way. Yeah, there was only 893 01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:50.680 a couple hundred people print at the time, so you know, nobody saw 894 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:59.199 it. But anyway, all right, so enough of the comic relief because 895 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.560 the Mortal Era has killed me for so many years, because I mean I've 896 01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:08.680 had people swear up and down because you know, and Donahue, I don't 897 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:13.159 think was a bad guy or anything. It's just that, you know, 898 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:17.399 he might have been expert with firearms, but he did not understand the rest 899 01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.239 of the equation, you know, And of course he is one of the 900 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:25.920 few guys who actually that's another point I forgot to make with the caller is 901 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:31.359 that Oswald shooting feet was duplicated by Donahue during the CBS thing in sixty eight, 902 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:40.279 So it did happen. But you know, the alleged Oswald shooting solution 903 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.680 is a possibility if you allow for x y Z, and the problem is 904 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.479 x y Z can't be proven. So there you go. But when they 905 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:53.560 gave him that moving target moving away from him in the same kind of weapon, 906 01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:58.079 when the thing wasn't jamming or giving them problems by the way, you 907 01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.640 know, Donahue was one of the few guys who could pull it off. 908 01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:06.960 An interesting side note I'd like to make to the Carcano. Sure, Donahue, 909 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:14.560 I would imagine, unlike Oswald had verified practice, well an access to 910 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.720 ammunition exactly. I mean, it's just like you said at x y Z. 911 01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:24.119 There's it's basically a through Z because there's so many factors working against Oswald 912 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.239 in the short amount of time that if he were to have been alone in 913 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.319 this plot, he would require he just the Commission messed up, and that 914 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:38.000 they didn't create a timeline and make sure they were able to attribute so much 915 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:41.039 to him in so little time. Well, they made a great point of 916 01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:45.960 making certain parts of that timeline so rock solid that that if you destroy any 917 01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:50.560 part of it, the whole thing collapses. So I got to give him 918 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:57.960 credit there. Yeah, they made it easy. Oh, yeah, but 919 01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:00.520 the carcano. I'm sorry, I got as you know, start going, 920 01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.960 I get off track. Uh, the carcano. What I think is interesting 921 01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:09.239 is that there was another issue of that carcano that I'm looking into right now. 922 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.199 I just want to talk to a firearms expert, and it was a 923 01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:18.199 marksman version that was supposedly five times more accurate and was made and tooled by 924 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:24.079 a marksman himself with the Marksman Marx. Not what Oswald had, but something 925 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:30.399 far better, same bullets, same ballistic evidence. M well, that is 926 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.680 a possibility. But I mean, if you again, if you go with 927 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.840 the Commission's you know, alleged timeline and where he got it from, he 928 01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:40.560 was not getting the best weapon. Oh no, no, I don't think 929 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.760 it was Oswalt's. I just think that there could have been someone else there 930 01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.199 with a carcano that was firing. Well oh yeah, well, because any 931 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:51.239 gunsmith could have taken one of those and made him fairly effective's that's a possibility 932 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:57.720 also, But Oswald was not a gunsmith, and nor was anybody he knew 933 01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:03.840 at the time. No luck with that. But yeah, anyway, of 934 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:09.760 course, the crappy scope, you know, the unlikelihood of the position, 935 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:16.960 the least side of it. Yeah, exactly, So do we want to 936 01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:24.319 continue on the photographs or what Let's go back to Trician Zach Trician Zach. 937 01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.399 Okay, you know what, I didn't get enough time to talk through things 938 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.880 with you guys earlier. So what else did you have on your agenda that 939 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:36.640 we didn't touch on so far here? Well, maybe we could touch down 940 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:44.039 on Marina with the bull pitcher. Uh, this is more Zach's expertise than 941 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:49.840 myself. Well, yeah, I mean, if there's some pictures that were 942 01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:59.159 evidently taken of Oswald then Marina when they were in Russia, and they're evidently 943 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:04.079 appears to be a baby doll instead of a real baby, and that was 944 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:11.199 really if anybody had any facts on that or they're familiar with that, I 945 01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:15.159 gotta be honest, I'm at a loss for the baby doll thing. Yeah, 946 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:16.840 I haven't heard of that before. Yeah, it's kind of an interesting 947 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.319 Yeah, it's kind of an interesting one, but it's shortly after when June 948 01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:26.399 was born, and the pictures are very strange. Again, we'll post them 949 01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:30.199 so people can take a look at them and give us their opinions. I 950 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.880 guess a good place that we could start as a backyard photo. I mean, 951 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.199 we haven't touched base on that one at all yet. Oh well, 952 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.560 this is an excellent one. Let me just give a point of reference to 953 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:42.760 the listener. Of course. This is the photograph which was published on the 954 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.800 cover of Time Light or on Life magazine's cover, and was also circulated through 955 01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:54.560 various publications over the years and has been continuously utilized as an iconic photograph of 956 01:18:54.720 --> 01:19:00.439 Oswald. This is the photograph that we touched on last episode when when a 957 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:05.119 completely different version of the photograph was actually entered into evidence in the nineteen seventies 958 01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:11.800 by Roscoe White's widow, you know, to the HSCA, and we talked 959 01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:15.800 about how that happened. And of course there's been a whole lot of allegations 960 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:19.520 made about this photograph over the years that you know, the head was you 961 01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:23.720 know, most famously in the JFK film, the head was placed on the 962 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:29.319 body, the gun was drawn in. The weird thing is he is holding 963 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:33.680 two communist newspapers that make no sense for him to be holding. The shadows 964 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:38.239 are in the wrong direction, all this different stuff, and this is the 965 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:44.680 iconic photo again of him holding Depending on which version you've seen holding the rifle 966 01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:49.880 and the newspapers or the photograph with him with the gun on his side and 967 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:54.479 holding the rifle, something like this. But it was a series of photographs 968 01:19:54.520 --> 01:20:00.199 taken at their Neely Street address, you know, previous to the assassination that 969 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:04.680 was that was utilized pretty much in the public's mind to to place the weapons 970 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:10.159 in Oswald's hand, not only the one that shot Kennedy allegedly, but the 971 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:15.560 one that killed Tippett. So go ahead, guys, I'll let you add 972 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:24.239 it first. Ladies first, as ever, I think they're one of the 973 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:33.039 interesting thing. Allry buddy, sure, okay, well, thank you. 974 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.920 I am being very good. I hope you realize I've tried not to talk 975 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:44.680 too much. You're you're doing a good job. What I can contribute to 976 01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:48.840 this is I have an article that on Science Daily dot com that I think 977 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.880 other people might want to take a look at. I don't think it's definitive, 978 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.319 but I think that it's a very good reference point, and it discusses 979 01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:01.520 Hanny Fred who's a computer scientist, and he and the team took apart the 980 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.640 photographs using modern technology, and they came to the conclusion that they were not 981 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:11.359 faked. That they were legitimate, So take that as you will. I'm 982 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:15.479 not an expert, but I do refer to experts when they make their conclusions, 983 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:18.840 and if the conclusion seem reasonable, and go with the evidence. Unless 984 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:29.439 I see things to contradict what they say, there's no reason to so Church 985 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:35.960 and or Zac, I think they're One of the interesting things to mention about 986 01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:41.640 the backyard photos is, of course, the account is that Marina took them, 987 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.920 and when she is called upon in her testimony to you know, discuss 988 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:50.079 that she is quite confused about the camera that she used, and she said 989 01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:53.680 that it was a camera that she held up to her eye, when in 990 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:57.159 fact the Imperial reflex camera you hold down at your chest and look down through 991 01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.600 a mirror at it. And she was leaving clear about the color of the 992 01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:03.560 camera that she is. It's really mysterious about what, you know, she 993 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:08.479 might have been thinking that she was, you know, using to take that 994 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:15.319 picture. I would agree that someone else might have taken it. I just 995 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:17.520 don't think that there's a real substantial basis for saying that it was altered, 996 01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.479 as much as a lot of people like to say. I think a lot 997 01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:24.000 of people, unfortunately, and I'm sure, I'll hear about this, But 998 01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:29.239 like some people did with executive action, some people saw that scene in JFK 999 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:33.319 and it happened. Well, that's one problem. The other problem is, 1000 01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:40.039 see Marina Oswald is a who is a slippery a slope if there ever was 1001 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:45.079 one, because her testimony continuously changes about what the nature of those photographs was, 1002 01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.239 how she took them on and on. Now, part of that I 1003 01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:55.079 would attribute to the fact that there was a problem with her translation at certain 1004 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:58.920 points in her testimony, so the contradictions may not have been all her ound 1005 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.680 fault. And I know that sounds really weird somebody like me trying to defend 1006 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:06.000 Marina Oswald for God's sake, But eh, look credit where credits do, 1007 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:12.039 and possibilities have to be allowed here now moving on, though there was other 1008 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.760 testimony where she gave where you know, it's completely inconsistent with the with the 1009 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:20.560 existing photographs, you know, most notably of course, like you were saying 1010 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:24.720 with the Imperial Reflex, you had to have looked down on it, not 1011 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:28.079 through it up to your eye. Okay, So I've added to a caller 1012 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:32.239 in Hey, Dylan, you with us? Yep, I think so it's 1013 01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:40.439 it's working. Have you been listening? Uh my computer had a had a 1014 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.640 glitch. I just got in. Oh okay, I was just listening. 1015 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:50.800 Uh oh, I was just listening when you added man. So I'll come 1016 01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:56.880 in with the question when something comes up. Well, no problem. Anybody 1017 01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:00.640 who listens to my show remembers Dylan is the is the host of The Truth 1018 01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.560 Speaks, which is an independent radio show whi's on various networks. The sixteen 1019 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:09.119 year old young man who occasionally we have fun with discussing what goes on in 1020 01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:14.880 his history classes. Okay, we have stories next time. Oh boy, 1021 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.680 I can't wait. You know what. For one of these episodes, I 1022 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:21.159 want you to bring up JFK and your history class if you get a chance, 1023 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:26.840 because I want to hear the absolute insanity that comes out of your classmates. 1024 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.960 Okay, So if I do, I'll get it on video for you. 1025 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:35.399 Oh please do hang back though, and whenever you're ready to ask a 1026 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:38.640 question, you know, go ahead and jump in. Right now, we're 1027 01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:44.800 talking about the backyard photographs and the inconsistencies in what exists, but it does 1028 01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.920 seem as though they're legitimate photographs despite all of the attempts to conjure different things 1029 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:53.399 out of it. As for what that means or what that has to actually 1030 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:58.960 do with the assassination, in my opinion, virtually nothing. Okay, it 1031 01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:03.000 was just utilize to convict Oswald in the public's mind as far as I'm concerned, 1032 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.840 Yeah, no, I would agree with that. I think that. 1033 01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:14.880 Okay, let's say we can use both fringe ideas. The people who think 1034 01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:16.880 that Oswald is automatically guilty are going to say the proof that it is guilt 1035 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:19.800 and it's not. The people who say that he's innocent are going to say 1036 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:23.680 it's altered and it's likely not. I find that most of the things are 1037 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:25.960 always in the middle. It's in the gray, it's not in the black 1038 01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:30.680 or the white area. So these photographs could have been made to later implicate 1039 01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:34.760 him by someone. Someone might have taken them. Perhaps Morena was intimidated, 1040 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:39.319 though Morena doesn't strike me as the sort of woman who gets intimidated easily. 1041 01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:45.079 And thus, yes, some alteration could have occurred in the manner of how 1042 01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:49.079 they were created, but physically, I don't think there's any real proof of 1043 01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:54.000 alteration, and like you said, it wouldn't have been It might have gotten 1044 01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:57.199 them in the public eye, but that didn't really do anything for them in 1045 01:25:57.319 --> 01:25:59.960 court. It could have not really helped the cover up of their case. 1046 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.119 Well, right, and I'll tell you something else about Marina. I would 1047 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:05.119 say, you know, it depends on which incarnation you're looking at of Marina. 1048 01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:09.359 If you look at Marina in the nineteen sixties, I think she was 1049 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:14.199 definitely easily intimidated and everything else. You look at Marina in the nineteen seventies, 1050 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:16.279 maybe not so much. But as time has gone on, Yeah, 1051 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:19.720 I would agree with that that nowadays, if she were to make a statement, 1052 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:24.319 you know, despite the fact that Nigel Turner got her on film, 1053 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:30.000 I'm gonna say that, you know. Yeah, I think if there was 1054 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.239 something to be told there, I think she would have an opportunity to say 1055 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.159 it now when people are approaching her, although she has kind of clammed up 1056 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.600 regarding the research community. And I don't blame her, to be honest with 1057 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.319 you, No, after Baker, I wouldn't want to talk to any of 1058 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:57.920 us, right, So, Zach and Trish, I'm kind of taking a 1059 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:00.279 left turn with it. I've always been choiced to the clothes he was wearing 1060 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:04.840 where they go. I mean, they've never turned up in any inventory. 1061 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:10.239 They never put into the warrant commission. The whole black get up outfit. 1062 01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:13.720 I just that's always kind of struck me as odd, like where did those 1063 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:18.000 clothes go? So, And another point I'd like to make is I find 1064 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:21.399 it interesting with trying to analyze the pictures. And of course Zach can touch 1065 01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:25.479 base on this a little bit more than myself. But you know, without 1066 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:29.039 the negatives, it's really hard to say because you know, you don't have 1067 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.199 the original prints, the original negatives to really compare it to. And again 1068 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.279 I'll let Zach kind of take over from there because he's the expert in this 1069 01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:41.119 area. Yeah, that is really important. I mean it's it's really easy 1070 01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:48.720 to alter a print, but very difficult to alter the negative. Well, 1071 01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:53.680 I've seen work done where negatives can be altered and it's a matter of creating 1072 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.159 a new negative and all that kind of stuff. I mean from the chemical 1073 01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:02.319 processes that are in existence at the top. Well that's yeah, well that's 1074 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:05.640 true. But then you could also link that back directly to a camera with 1075 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:09.680 the spocket holes and such and the mechanism, so you could figure out, 1076 01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.680 you know, did it come from that camera and was it taken with that 1077 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:17.920 camera, all right, and I would I would love to see an analysis 1078 01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:21.720 of that, that's for sure. I would imagine too that based on I 1079 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.319 mean, Zach is the expert, and you definitely have a bigger background in 1080 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:30.680 photography as you know. I'm a file, that's ironic, not that kind 1081 01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:34.079 of a files, I mean a real primary document files anyway, not James 1082 01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:44.680 files, never files, but actual files. But that's tangible, useful evidence, 1083 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:49.520 right. But I would agree that, yeah, you're both both of 1084 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:55.000 your assertions are correct. That they might not. They likely didn't have the 1085 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:58.359 technology at the time to do it, so if it was done, it 1086 01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:01.560 had to have been done late once the proper technology. I'm not saying that 1087 01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:04.159 some of this stuff can't be altered. I'm just saying it couldn't have been 1088 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:09.760 altered on the spot like some people think. That's why that you know, 1089 01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:15.239 everything's altered. Well, interesting enough, if you look at the Texas History 1090 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:20.159 Pointal website, among the stuff that's held in the Dallas Police Department collection is 1091 01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:26.520 what appears to be the back end photo picture but with the figure cut out 1092 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:30.039 of it, which implies that even evidently the Dallas Police Department or somebody was 1093 01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:35.199 trying to do their own recreations to see if the this could have been altered. 1094 01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:39.560 Well, right, that's a that's a Dallas Police officer who's actually in 1095 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:43.119 the photograph. There, uh, that that they took and then they go 1096 01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:47.359 there's there's okay, yeah, that's right. Yeah, So they were evidently 1097 01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.119 trying to determine that. Well why they cut it out is unclear, but 1098 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.439 it looks like they were trying to figure out what possibly could have been done 1099 01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:58.439 here, and you know they must have questions themselves about it, right, 1100 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:00.920 right, So I've also you joined Barry Princeton to the call. Barry, 1101 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:06.800 you got any questions or assertions you want to add to the discussion. Actually, 1102 01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:10.800 Chuck, I just joined in here about ten to fifteen minutes ago, 1103 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:14.479 so I'm a little bit behind on what's been talked about, but I'll listen 1104 01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:16.479 in for a while and I'm sure i'll make a comment where the show's over. 1105 01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.359 Okay, great, But by the way, I say, yeah, 1106 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:26.279 I didn't say it before, but welcome Barry, welcome Dylan. Right, 1107 01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:30.159 thank you guys much. And you know what, I still can take another 1108 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.640 call if somebody wants to use the line at seven one eight seven seven eight 1109 01:30:33.720 --> 01:30:36.760 two nine six, which I did put out in the post, but if 1110 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:43.840 you're listening seven one eight seven one seven eight two nine six. And uh, 1111 01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:46.920 I'm kind of disappointed that one of those guys on Facebook who came at 1112 01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:53.600 me real quick and then kind of backed off a little bit, it didn't 1113 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:57.359 call in. I'd really like it if you did. Of course, I'll 1114 01:30:57.359 --> 01:31:02.119 ask everybody else to mute up and I'll handle you. But go right ahead 1115 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:05.520 and join into the conversation if you like. I will answer any call that 1116 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:13.199 is not blocked. Okay, thank you. So the backyard photographs, again 1117 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:15.439 in my estimation, are not really part of the case. They are a 1118 01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:19.600 serious waste of time because they were used as nothing more than a public relations 1119 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:26.039 kind of tool to convict Oswald in the public mind. Now getting away from 1120 01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:30.920 that, there are still so many other conspiracy myths out there that are seemingly 1121 01:31:31.039 --> 01:31:36.760 friendly to somebody like myself that I just am so sick of discussing. I 1122 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:41.960 wonder, Zach and Trish, do you got any other ones that they're still 1123 01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:50.359 like eating at you at the moment or what? Yeah, you know, 1124 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:55.279 we were talking earlier about how some of the photographs. I mentioned that autopsy 1125 01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:59.960 photographs, X rays and photographs are missing and altered. And there's some cases 1126 01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:03.319 there's some real blatant alterations, you know, such as the Dillard photo where 1127 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:06.960 you know it shows the upper floors of the Texas Corebook Depository. One of 1128 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:11.640 the you know, early prints of it had one of the windows torn out 1129 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:15.760 of it. And then evidently the photograph that they found amongst Oswald's possessions of 1130 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:21.199 the Walker residents with the car in the license plate, the license plate was 1131 01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.920 clear, was torn out right of the photograph. I mean, they had 1132 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:30.000 to go so far as to call General Walker on the stand and he claimed 1133 01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:35.399 it was Charles Clear whether those associates they stopped the proceedings and called Clear and 1134 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:39.760 he admitted it was his car. But I mean, as far as I 1135 01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:43.159 know, they've never been able to determine exactly his car that was. But 1136 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:45.840 the question is why was that done? I mean, look at all blatant 1137 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:50.680 these some of these alter it even it's beyond alterations, it's it's destruction. 1138 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:56.399 But you know, and a quick commentary on the Walker shooting event, which 1139 01:32:56.479 --> 01:32:59.279 they you know, have tried to utilize the show that Oswald had been, 1140 01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:01.439 you know, extremely violent, looking to assassinate anybody to make a name for 1141 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:06.439 himself. You know, let's remember this too. You know, General Walker 1142 01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:11.079 literally dug a bullet out of his own wall after that near miss on it, 1143 01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:14.600 that that attempt on his life, literally dug the bullet out of the 1144 01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:20.359 wall. Was familiar with firearms and ammunition and stated pretty clearly that that wouldn't 1145 01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:25.239 have matched up to the man liquor Carkano based on his description. Okay, 1146 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:30.199 if I can go to another Walker exhibit, it's not well, it's part 1147 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:31.319 of a myth in my opinion, because I think the whole episode is a 1148 01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:36.840 myth. But the Walker letter, the Walker letter is used and was used 1149 01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:43.279 as some sort of definitive proof to implicate that Oswald had planned this and Morena 1150 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:47.039 had read it. But the problem is is that none of their fingerprints are 1151 01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:49.960 on the letter. There's only unidentified fingerprints on the letter. The letter has 1152 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:53.760 no one's name on it. The letter doesn't mention Walker, the letter doesn't 1153 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:58.359 mention anything specific. He could have wrote the letter five years ago, and 1154 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:00.479 it doesn't make a bit of difference because if you can't connect it directly to 1155 01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:04.560 it, there's no fingerprints, and you have one person who looked at it 1156 01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:09.640 and said, it looks like Oswald's handwriting. That's not definitive, that doesn't 1157 01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:12.640 match, you know. Then you go into the bullet, which was mutilated. 1158 01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:15.319 They couldn't necessarily match it. They thought even Fraser wasn't totally sure. 1159 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:18.720 He couldn't make a definitive match. The whole thing falls apart when you really 1160 01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:32.600 look at the evidence that they tried to base it upon. Yeah, that's 1161 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:36.680 a good point. I mean, there really isn't any definitive evidence. If 1162 01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:41.039 you read the text of it, it doesn't say Walker, it doesn't stay 1163 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:44.439 anything. It just says, you know, basically, in case I get 1164 01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:46.159 in trouble, do this. I mean, it makes it sound like he's 1165 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:49.680 up to something, but you don't really know what. Well. To me, 1166 01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:54.319 it's almost like a veneer again, it's like his supposed communist venier. 1167 01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:58.359 You know. Morena in the Nixon episode is another myth, you know. 1168 01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:01.239 I mean, even Red Lake, a lot of people on the official Commission 1169 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:08.199 didn't believe her. That's right. And if I recall, I believe that 1170 01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:12.600 letter wasn't found immediately. It was found in her cookbook later on. If 1171 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:18.680 I recall Ruth Payne accidentally gave it to the DPD right sixth night, hold 1172 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:23.600 on to second six five, Hold on a second six five oh area code. 1173 01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:28.159 You're on the air. Can I just listen on the air? Uh? 1174 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:30.640 Sure? If you mute up, you know, if you can mute 1175 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:33.720 your talking portion of your phone, that's cool. You can just listen. 1176 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:41.880 Sure, right, Okay, thanks, Okay, sorry about that, guys. 1177 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:43.920 I just wanted to give the caller a chance, but he wants to 1178 01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:47.520 just listen, so that's cool too. So Barrier, Dylan, you got 1179 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:50.319 anything you want to ask or add in. I mean, you got a 1180 01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:55.399 panel of four of us who've actually done research on the case, so you 1181 01:35:55.479 --> 01:36:00.760 know, I don't know if you guys have even gone into it. Yeah, 1182 01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:05.920 what was the A lot of people go and create the umbrella man theory 1183 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:11.439 around as if that's the definitive answer. What do you think his role was? 1184 01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:15.800 Oh? Wow, umbrella man? Who wants to that one? First? 1185 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:29.680 Oh? Me? Okay, Well, doing I think that umbrella man 1186 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.279 is interesting? Uh, there's a lot of facets to it. I don't 1187 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:38.439 personally think that he has any part. He don't. I'm sorry, can 1188 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:45.119 you hear me? Yeah? Yeah, I just wanted to say that I 1189 01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:47.560 don't think Umbrella Man was part of any plot. I think that Umbrella Man 1190 01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:51.000 because of his first of all, the strangeness of the umbrella being present. 1191 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:56.239 And I know a lot of people don't like to accept this, but Joe 1192 01:36:56.319 --> 01:37:01.319 Kennedy was a sympathizer and he did try to basically play Kate Hitler in the 1193 01:37:01.399 --> 01:37:08.399 Nazis when he was ambassador. So the umbrella was symbolically to him. Now, 1194 01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:11.840 whether Witt was there for that reason, If Witt in fact was the 1195 01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:15.920 Umbrella Man, you know, we can go into it. But I just 1196 01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:16.720 don't think. You know, a lot of people try to say it was 1197 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.760 a signal. You don't need that. You can use earpieces, there's walkie 1198 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:24.600 talkies, there's all sorts of ways to send a signal without using something so 1199 01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:28.239 obvious. Well, okay, but that that's that's fine, and I'll and 1200 01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:30.880 I'll take that to heart. But you know what, I'm gonna object a 1201 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:34.159 little bit. I don't think that Witt was the guy. I think the 1202 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:39.640 umbrella that they presented in that that public hearing was not the umbrella. I 1203 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:45.159 think that also there is the possibility that you know, still visual cues are 1204 01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:50.159 useful to shooters. Okay, it's a possibility. You got a pure in 1205 01:37:50.239 --> 01:38:00.119 the mail of glossy laminated thing from the the White House. It's Obama's water 1206 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:12.399 dogs. Then they ask you for money. Okay. The umbrella man thing, 1207 01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:15.760 like I said, it's just those things that I don't think is really 1208 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.479 relevant. But if you were to try and look at it and say that 1209 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:21.920 there was a possibility that he was signaling, I think that's a possibility. 1210 01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:26.439 But again, the evidence doesn't go anywhere after that. It's just one of 1211 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:32.479 those possibilities. There's a million part Sorry, Chuck, I didn't mean to 1212 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.279 interrupt, but I just wanted to say I believe that there was two umbrellament. 1213 01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:39.680 I believe there was another one that was up Houston near the corner of 1214 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:43.199 I'm in Houston as well, but he was on the Let me think for 1215 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:46.000 a second, let me get my bearings in the north side of Elm Street 1216 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:50.239 up by that intersection again, and I believe I've seen one or two photos. 1217 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.640 I'll have to dig them out again, but I'm pretty sure there was 1218 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:59.279 two umbrellas well, right, But we're mostly talking about the one that's seen 1219 01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:03.439 near for that near the uh you know, near the sign. Okay, 1220 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:08.279 that's close to the motorcade. On the Zubruder film you can see the umbrella. 1221 01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:12.920 But there are there's the possibility of many umbrellas on the on the motorcade 1222 01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:16.000 route. It was raining earlier that day, and God knows what possesses people 1223 01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:19.199 to open them. Possibly it was a direct protest, uh, you know, 1224 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:25.279 regarding Chambers and all that and appeasement and Joe Kennedy and all that. 1225 01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:29.600 That's a good possibility. But then again, who knows. It's just one 1226 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:38.239 of those things that really doesn't go anywhere in my estimation, right, you 1227 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:42.760 know, so interesting anybody who tries to tell you that, you know, 1228 01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:46.479 a poisoned dart was fired or he's the shooter or anything like that is uh, 1229 01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:50.279 you know. I I say again, if somebody can show me some 1230 01:39:50.439 --> 01:39:54.880 proof that an alien was hanging from his toes, uh you know, from 1231 01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:58.520 a ship hovering over the motorcade. Uh, you know, please get me 1232 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.399 the evidence. I'd love to see it. But it's just about as well, 1233 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:05.239 well what about what about it? Well, what about a couple of 1234 01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:10.640 other mysterious and interesting characters that were right by him that one of them known 1235 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:14.359 as a dark complexive man. And then another guy who seems to be holding 1236 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:18.760 Milwaukee talkie to his ear. Yeah, this gets into more interesting things, 1237 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:25.159 doesn't it. But it still doesn't wind up going very very far. Let's 1238 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.800 just say that, yeah, you do have somebody who is in the loop 1239 01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:32.479 regarding radio communications that day, you have a conspirator. Okay, but unless 1240 01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:35.960 you know the rest of the circle there again, it could be nothing. 1241 01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:41.399 You know, we still don't have a definitive answer as to whether that was 1242 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:46.920 certainly a walkie talkie or whatever else. I'll barely closed down. Yeah, 1243 01:40:47.560 --> 01:41:02.199 I don't know when though. Okay, so the thing is sorry that so 1244 01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:05.760 back to it. Umbrella man, I would say, at the end of 1245 01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:10.319 the day, really doesn't wind up going anywhere. You can go through the 1246 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:13.960 photographs in Dealey Plaza though, and find a lot of really strange things, 1247 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:17.560 that's for certain, and uh, and more than one umbrella on the motor 1248 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:21.399 Kate route. I believe that some of them being a protest for Chambers uh, 1249 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:26.199 you know, a Chamberlain. I mean I believe that, uh, 1250 01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:30.119 you know, Joe Kennedy's connection and all that. But at the same time 1251 01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:31.600 I could also believe that one of them might have been there to signal. 1252 01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:35.760 That's a possibility too. But lewis Witt being the uh, you know, 1253 01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:43.479 the umbrella Man per se, I don't buy. I think all that's possible. 1254 01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:45.800 I just once again agree with you that it doesn't go anywhere, right. 1255 01:41:46.119 --> 01:41:50.000 It leads to black holes where now they're making a movie out of Umbrella 1256 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:56.399 Man, and it's just another one of these distractions from you know, a 1257 01:41:56.439 --> 01:41:59.319 lot of other things that we already have in hand. Yeah, and not 1258 01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:01.600 to say too that, but it doesn't I think also we shouldn't always attach 1259 01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:06.319 affarity to what could be. They could have been anybody there with they could 1260 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:10.520 have had communications, maybe they were you know, military intelligence, maybe they 1261 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.800 were there for some other reason. I just don't think that everyone who was 1262 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:15.159 acting strangely, if we try to connect all of them, it's too many 1263 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:18.319 people. Yeah. That that's the other problem is that when you start to 1264 01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:23.399 compile the strangeness that went on in Dealey Plaza, Uh, you got way 1265 01:42:23.439 --> 01:42:27.600 too many people involved in the conspiracy. And uh and and and of course 1266 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:30.199 you got way too many shooters on the knoll, and you've got way too 1267 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:33.439 many confessions and you get into their territory. Oh boy, and then you 1268 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:38.399 got you know, twenty shots from eight different directions. Uh, you know, 1269 01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:42.960 small on is running around killing people there you how does that hold any 1270 01:42:43.079 --> 01:42:46.680 water? There were no uh, there was no evidence for it. I 1271 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:49.239 thought, I thought the aliens. I thought the aliens did it? Guys? 1272 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:57.399 What are you guys talking about? Exactly? And I wish more people 1273 01:42:57.479 --> 01:43:01.000 were like you. I want to give credit for dude. Dylan says, 1274 01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:06.439 well, where's the evidence? I know exactly. Please tell everybody that keep 1275 01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:12.039 saying that for the rest of your life, show me the evidence, thankfully, 1276 01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:14.560 man, you know. And and at your age, Dylan, like 1277 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:17.000 I said before to you off the air, at your age, I was 1278 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:20.600 just starting to figure this stuff out. And boy, that was a good 1279 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:24.640 statement right there. That it took me a couple of years to start saying 1280 01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:28.319 to people, which is, okay, that's really interesting, but where's your 1281 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:33.159 evidence? Yep. When I was Dylan's age, I had just seen JFKA 1282 01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:42.960 and that was the truth, closer closer to the truth than the Warren commissioned 1283 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:48.000 but still no dice. Ah, yes, I know, good a good 1284 01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:53.800 movie though, good entertainment, oh, no, fascinating movie. And did 1285 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:58.840 a did a bang up job of getting the ar RB established and congrats, 1286 01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:04.119 congratulations and also, you know, show me the evidence again, which some 1287 01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:09.359 of the stuff in that film there's absolute evidence for, uh, some of 1288 01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:13.560 it not so much. Even the things connected to the film, if people 1289 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:18.399 look into them, they can see that unintentionally, some of the activities around 1290 01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:21.159 the film helped debunk some of these myths that are still going today, like 1291 01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:26.359 E. Howard Hunt. People keep saying Howard Hunt was involved and there is 1292 01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:30.159 no direct evidence of that. Hunt wasn't someone of key importance at that time. 1293 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:38.319 That's the first one I saw. Yeah, okay, yeah, no, 1294 01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:41.520 No, the E Howard Hunt, Oh, the heart Hunt. Yeah, 1295 01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:45.439 that's the first one I heard of. And then it was the the 1296 01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:51.840 driver yep mm hmm. And then and then you got exposed to miss Baker, 1297 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:58.880 didn't you? Yes? Through uh now, first it was either then 1298 01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:00.720 it was Baker. Oh right, that's right. I had already warned you 1299 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:06.159 didn't I? Yeah, you did? Was was she everything you expected? 1300 01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:15.520 I did her? I meant I met some of her psycho supporters. Now 1301 01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:18.560 have a list if you want to, Tuck and tell you about it later, 1302 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:23.000 Chuck told me about it. You just didn't send it to me. 1303 01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.279 Oh, I'm sorry, I will send it to you. I apologize. 1304 01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:33.359 I don't know who I ended up interviewing one of them without realizing it. 1305 01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:41.279 That's always an interesting surprise, isn't this. Yeah, yeah, it's it's 1306 01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:45.760 really strange and and and sometimes it's intelligent people who wind up saying to me, 1307 01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:48.119 you know, oh, you're into the JFK thing. You should have 1308 01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:55.560 on you know Oswalt's girlfriend, And I go, oh, yeah, well, 1309 01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:58.920 we don't know I Well's girlfriend's name, because it would have been when 1310 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.920 he was younger, not any time when you, as Baker touched about Well. 1311 01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:04.840 Look, I I know the name of one of the girlfriends you know 1312 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:10.960 before Marina. Oh, you're in Russia. There's a couple Ella German for 1313 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:14.800 one, the first woman he asked to marry him in Russia. Thank you. 1314 01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:17.840 Fancy that her name appears in official documents. I can't believe it. 1315 01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:24.199 Oh, it certainly does. He asked her to marry him, she turned 1316 01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:27.159 him down, and he was depressed and got drunk on New Year's Eve. 1317 01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:33.159 Anyway, Yeah, I remember your repulsed sigh when I mentioned her. Oh 1318 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:39.800 yeah, because he Oh, anyway, and then the limo driver again, 1319 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.840 because that was in our first conversations. I went, you're kidding me, 1320 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:49.000 right, Oh nay, I learned. I know you have, and I 1321 01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:53.399 appreciate that, and I want you to continue learning and please teach me some 1322 01:46:54.239 --> 01:47:00.079 uh barry, you got anything you want to add? Yet not really, 1323 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:03.279 I'm not like it said. You know, I've studied JFK for lots of 1324 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:06.720 time in my life, and luck of the love the documentaries on it. 1325 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:11.239 I'm no experts, but anybody that looks at it, I mean, there's 1326 01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:13.880 so many holes in the government story. It's just like anything else, the 1327 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:17.720 government of your telligence over bowls. I've never seen a government story that doesn't 1328 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.319 have vuls It goes along with the agenda. I guess, yeah, isn't 1329 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:28.439 that fascinating? And modern modern American history for certain and probably globally, uh 1330 01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:31.600 modern American history, you can't find an official story that doesn't seem to have 1331 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:36.880 some holes in it. I can't even find one that holds water, seriod. 1332 01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:43.760 Go ahead, do you mind if I share It's it's a very soft 1333 01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:46.880 vulgar word, but it is one of the chapters in my book. Okay, 1334 01:47:47.239 --> 01:47:51.439 so may I use one soft soft, vulgar word. Go right ahead. 1335 01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:57.760 It's a quote from Richard Nixon, and I think that it applies to 1336 01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:01.359 every president, largely before and after him, And it applies to what we 1337 01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:05.279 were just discussing about the government's case. Richard Nixon said, I don't give 1338 01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:13.880 a shit about the law. He said that in the Watergate tapes, among 1339 01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:18.319 many other things. Yeah, so I think that coins exactly their feelings about 1340 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:21.840 what they will and will not do and what they will and will not tell 1341 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:27.439 us. Now that that's absolutely true, and and and Nixon's upset about the 1342 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:30.199 fact that he was, you know, being targeted for doing stuff that other 1343 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:34.560 people had done and everything else. I think he was completely right. He 1344 01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:39.119 looked like an angel compared to what's going on in Washington today. Though you 1345 01:48:39.560 --> 01:48:41.840 got it, he was a whole lot less bought and paid for than what 1346 01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:44.439 we got now to you that well he was. He was just at the 1347 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:46.199 bottom end of the agenda. The agenda was there, but just wasn't at 1348 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.840 the point they wanted to bring it in with there, right, go well, 1349 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:51.520 right, he wasn't really one of them because he had actually come from 1350 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:58.319 a poor background and all that. So, I mean that's that's the chuck 1351 01:48:58.439 --> 01:49:00.920 Bill Clinton came from a four back to and he's more bought and paid for 1352 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:06.720 than any of them. Excellent point, Dylan. I listen, I don't 1353 01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:11.680 care which side of the island is anymore. They're both. They're both the 1354 01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:15.960 same damn thing. That's it. Yeah, so this reality we cannot escape. 1355 01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:19.560 Okay, we've got let's see, now, we've got about ten minutes 1356 01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:23.840 left. So I'm wondering if there's anything that we didn't cover that we should 1357 01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:27.800 get on before we run out of time for this episode and we're gonna have 1358 01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:30.439 to do this again. You know that, guys, right, Yeah, 1359 01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:33.680 hopefully I'll be able to join you for the full show next time. I 1360 01:49:33.960 --> 01:49:39.199 agree. If you want, Dylan and dig up, dig up some more 1361 01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:44.760 stuff that has misled you regarding the JFK case and bring it on and we'll 1362 01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:48.600 we'll either dissect it or vivisect it, depending on how much life it actually 1363 01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:56.079 has. Okay, sorry, Zach and Trish. Where where should we go 1364 01:49:56.159 --> 01:50:01.359 with these last few minutes? Well? I think we covered a lot of 1365 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:04.159 interesting stuff tonight. I know, you know, we went into a lot 1366 01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:08.920 of the photographic stuff, and I think it's just important you know, I 1367 01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:12.439 stated last time, it's important to you know, the old saying is the 1368 01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:15.439 camera never lies, and that's true to a point, but you also have 1369 01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:16.880 to take everything with the grain of salt that you're looking at, and you 1370 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:23.439 can't try to go about trying to identify mysterious shadows. And you know, 1371 01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:26.159 some of the things that one of the things I was looking at today was 1372 01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:30.880 they claim that some researchers that not only was George Bush senior there, but 1373 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:34.680 now they're trying to say that George W. Bush was in Daly Plaza And 1374 01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:39.239 I mean, goodness, where does it endy you can find where are you 1375 01:50:39.399 --> 01:50:44.000 chasing shadows at a certain point, Just it's important to try to be responsible 1376 01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:46.560 with your research. Yeah, he was about seventeen years old at the time, 1377 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:51.000 I believe. Yeah, ye, not old enough to be part of 1378 01:50:51.079 --> 01:50:56.880 any Heinus plot though. Yeah, because apparently you know, you know, 1379 01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:02.920 I'm sorry to go ahead. Oh yeah, that picture that they're siting is 1380 01:51:03.039 --> 01:51:09.319 George W. Bush has a kid in a varsity sweater like hanging outside there, 1381 01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:12.720 and you know it's that he was pretty darn young, like doing the 1382 01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:16.680 same. Yeah, because as you said, the last episode, while he's 1383 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:23.399 running a congressional campaign. He's going to bring the sharp son with him to 1384 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:28.119 take down the president. What that's ridiculous. Neither of his sons are very 1385 01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:32.840 sharp, well, Sharper, Yeah, I was gonna say Jeb is definitely 1386 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:40.119 the uh, the alpha dog in that particular uh uh set of puppies. 1387 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:45.439 But yeah, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna bring the the the A team 1388 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:47.359 with him and uh. Of course, you know, avoid all sorts of 1389 01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:51.439 other detection until many, many years later when somebody will draw that conclusion that 1390 01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:57.279 he was present that day, uh from a photograph. Right, That's that's 1391 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:00.520 a fush Field trip theory. I I think it is that that would be 1392 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.640 a good way to put it, the Bushfield trip. I like that. 1393 01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:08.840 There are a lot of things I'd love to blame W for, but yeah, 1394 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.279 I don't think it's fair to even say he was part of that. 1395 01:52:11.439 --> 01:52:15.760 He wasn't old enough, He probably isn't smart enough to orchestrate that. Honestly, 1396 01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:18.760 Well, I'll put it to you this way. If W was intimately 1397 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:24.159 U involved in the in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, I think 1398 01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:28.039 we would have blown apart this case long ago. We would have busted him 1399 01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:31.079 long ago. He wouldn't have time to uh to have his uh you know, 1400 01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:36.039 alcohol and uh and other drug fueled incidents in his life, and he 1401 01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:42.760 would have and he probably would have told us, I will I will go 1402 01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:47.800 with that, Dylan, that that that works perfect in one of his drunken 1403 01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:53.079 fits. He probably would have mentioned it. Let us slept, certainly. 1404 01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:56.159 So six minutes left, Carmine, what do you want to tag onto the 1405 01:52:56.279 --> 01:53:00.760 end of this? Do you mind if I do a plug? Go right 1406 01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:04.479 ahead. I would like to let everyone know to please if you get a 1407 01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:09.840 chance, stop by the Neneapolis Media Group Facebook page. It is Facebook dot 1408 01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:15.319 com slash neepe MG with a capital N fornith a capital MG at the end. 1409 01:53:16.279 --> 01:53:19.720 Or you can see t pot dot com t p a a k dot 1410 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:24.039 com. You can see my work there. You can see trician Zach's work 1411 01:53:24.079 --> 01:53:27.880 there. You can also see please go to the recommended part of teapot dot 1412 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:30.760 com, or you can go to deblunk blog their site. You can go 1413 01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:35.079 to Chuck site. You can also see Rob Clark the Lone Gunman podcast. 1414 01:53:35.119 --> 01:53:40.079 It's also recommended there. So you can find pretty much everybody that I personally 1415 01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:45.520 think is doing great contributions to the community. Yes, absolutely definitely, and 1416 01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:49.159 I support all that, not just because I'm part of it, but because 1417 01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:54.399 I actually support what's going on. And Rob Clark another guy who I wish 1418 01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:57.399 he had been able to make it for this show, but he was unavailable, 1419 01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:00.520 the host of the Loan Gunman podcast US who has been on this show 1420 01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:04.479 before. And yes, I recommend that you definitely listen to him. Him 1421 01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:09.119 and I don't necessarily agree on everything either, but you know, there's a 1422 01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:13.840 whole lot of common ground here. Yep. And I don't know. You 1423 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:15.800 know, if you guys want to add in either Barrier Dylan here at the 1424 01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:23.359 end, go right ahead. Nope, No, I'll plug my show for 1425 01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:27.159 tomorrow real quick, because it's kind of an interesting show, guys. Got 1426 01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.720 We're talking static electric motors tomorrow. Some of the discoveries made lately will just 1427 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:35.239 absolutely asound you. I have a kandel a four gentlemen joining me tomorrow and 1428 01:54:35.520 --> 01:54:39.840 in flitting Roger Lundry is going to be sitting in on this one because he 1429 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:43.520 knows electronic very well, and three other free energy indenters. We're going to 1430 01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:48.479 talk about the Latin the giant steps forward in static electric electric motives. So 1431 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:55.800 that's the conversation. I'm TREATDM on Shaking week Radio. Ah, is Larry 1432 01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:59.680 Woods going to be on? Larry Woods has been on the show like three 1433 01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:08.000 four times and an excellent, excellent, brilliant human being. I cool. 1434 01:55:08.039 --> 01:55:10.840 I gotta get Larry back on this show. And I want to thank everybody 1435 01:55:10.880 --> 01:55:15.840 before I forget and before that horrendously loud bumper kicks in. I want to 1436 01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:19.199 thank everybody for listening to the Ocelli Effect tonight. I'm sure that we'll have 1437 01:55:19.319 --> 01:55:23.800 some sort of closing thought here, but I say this to you about all 1438 01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:28.399 this evidence and all of the fictions which are being circulated out there. Uh, 1439 01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:33.680 here's the reality. I challenge you to examine your own beliefs regarding any 1440 01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:39.840 conspiracy theory, whether it is the conspiracy of one as it was once termed 1441 01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:46.159 regarding Lee Harvey Oswald, or it was the multiple and various conspiracies which have 1442 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:51.680 littered this case and everything else in the world. Examine them for yourself. 1443 01:55:53.000 --> 01:55:57.600 See what makes sense in their context, See what actually has verifiable proof, 1444 01:55:58.159 --> 01:56:02.760 See what it is that you can actually scientifically recreate when it comes to plausible 1445 01:56:02.800 --> 01:56:06.680 scenarios. These are things that you do when you're in the search for the 1446 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:11.359 truth. And I advise, no matter what truth you're searching for, this 1447 01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:17.920 is what you do. So again, guys, last two minutes, and 1448 01:56:18.359 --> 01:56:23.520 I want to thank first of all, Carmine Sabastano from Neneapolis Media Group for 1449 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:29.479 being on with me tonight. Also Trish Trish Fleming who is temporarily named Fleming. 1450 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:33.279 I think she may change her name soon because of course she's now engaged 1451 01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:44.479 to Zach Jendro. Did I get that right? So I want to thank 1452 01:56:44.479 --> 01:56:48.960 you. They do the Deep blog blog over there, and excellent work over 1453 01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:54.399 there. I definitely support all these guys. I love Barry Prince who is 1454 01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:58.520 the host of the Big Puzzle with Barry Prince, and of course Dylan Wade 1455 01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.119 who is the host of The Truth Speaks. And the callers who decided to 1456 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:04.640 join in, uh, the one guy I didn't quite understand the other one 1457 01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:10.159 with the James Files thing. I hope we've answered some questions for you and 1458 01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:15.800 for anybody else who thinks that that's a plausible scenario. Anyway, Thanks guys, 1459 01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:17.239 I really appreciate it. And I don't know if you want to just 1460 01:57:17.359 --> 01:57:21.199 you know, throw it Thanks very much, Chuck. We appreciate it, 1461 01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:32.760 and there will be a part of this. There will be, and we 1462 01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:44.720 could sing the eyes of Texas are upon you. But how did God say 1463 01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:50.159 the queen that one? For a while, and listen, everybody stays do 1464 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:54.479 it for Jaded? A couple of these people might stay on with me, 1465 01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:57.159 Carline, I think is going to stay on with me for Jaded. And 1466 01:57:57.279 --> 01:58:00.319 you never know what the hell happens when Kim takes the mic, so be 1467 01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:06.479 prepared. Was that was that a good enough talk up for your show on 1468 01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:13.720 beautiful beautiful? Okay, don't you guys hurt her because I only just swung 1469 01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:17.800 the mic over away. But anyway, thanks again for listening, and if 1470 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:21.199 you're catching this further on downstream, or if you decided to pick it up 1471 01:58:21.239 --> 01:58:27.560 on your fondal slab of choice and user applicable application, it is all appreciated 1472 01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:31.359 and you can always go to ucy dot tv slash coe. Like I said, 1473 01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:38.039 YouTube MP three downloads. 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