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Nat. Hello, everybody, welcome to f cool for crying out loud.
I am here. It's Friday with Caylan, the Handsome Kaylan and Julie Kayse
yay, Hi guys, I love I love this. This is so fun.
I got so excited to do this. Obviously missing Lynette. Wish we
could all power out together. I know, I'm very happy to be here.
Lynette is on a trip. Where's she Florida? Right? Larida?
Yeah, she went to Florida. Good for her. And I was originally
asking you to come last week, but you couldn't because you were getting ready
to go on a trip yep, which I would like to talk about in
one in one minute. But then you said I could come next week would
be easier, And then I was like, well that's a perfect because we
were going to run a best of But now look now you guys are getting
a regular show. You're getting the best of the best. Yeah, the
best of you are backed by popular demand, is what we're saying. But
you know who else is popular is our our friends? Alicia asked Alante and
Ashley, you're so Chic and scher Bear and do you want to Hershey Bar
and Kelly laid and Amy r Kelly's, Katie's rolling on e and not Anna
Faris and Aaron Lando and Nikki call your girl. And Leslie is out accosting
people. I saw her in front of seven to eleven all the way in
Encino. Good always an Encino. Yeah, he likes it there. Yeah.
And you know who else is running around Encino is Missy and Gabby,
you know, on the streets, on the mean streets of Encino. Uh.
And then the other Alicia, Uh not Alicia? What am I talking
about? The coffer Leslie with the coughing all the time because of the freaking
COVID. Jacob is so growley, and Elizabeth Williamson had like I think she's
up to like eight or nine kids now. I think she got a new
one during the week. And Athena, we love your dancing Polly, We
love your pancakes, Rita, we love your your Bassett hound face. Yeah,
compliment because baas that hounds are so cute, so cute, and uh
ishan pre i rep i open so cute. Kelly Brandt is not your aunt,
but she will take you to hip hop class. Stephanie Stinker Rinker,
Christa gets strapped, Sandra, it's not easy being green, Jennifer, get
up, Aaron, don't be a dirty Sanchez, Sarah Stefanos. She's our
Paisano and that's it. Okay. Speaking of shout outs, can I do
a little shout out? Yeah, of course to some folks on the for
crying out loud, reel it in page. Okay. So I'm gonna miss
some people because I can't find the old one. But if I find it,
so Amy Justice Katz posted such a sweet thing about my dad and listening
to him on the radio and just the nostalgia brings. And then Valerie Fenwick
chimes and yeah, say something hits it out of the park, Carrie Wentz,
Lindsay, Crystal Glass, Christopher let's see. Yeah, anyway, they
had such nice things to say. Linda Gilligan not to be confused with Gilligan's
Island. I don't think she might be from that island, but I don't
know gg Field, Samantha Carter. I haven't even read Samantha Carter's or Darlene
Hirsh's yet, as I'm sitting here flipping through this but so just sweet that
people, you know, like still listen to my dad's show and talk about
it and just like I freaking love it. And then yeah, I can't
find There was another post earlier about oh someone had said that I sounded like
someone on the rail. That's her name, Laura. I'm going to get
it wrong anyway, but thank you guys all for shouting me out and shouting
my dad out. Favorite you're like people because I think just from early on
when you came on, I don't know, this was back in the day
where people really don't like guests, and now we have guests. We have
them on our Thursday show. Yeah, but you've always been as you know,
they're always like, we don't like guests, Exceptulie. I know.
It's so I'm like, dude, thank you, Like I don't know because
you're what I've done, but because I'm normal, because you're normal and fun
and a good broadcaster and you tell fun stories and you're you're never here to
shill anything true that that is true. I'm not here, Yeah, I'm
here for nothing other than a good time. So exactly, so you just
got back last night. So I was thinking about this because I'm like,
okay, I'm going on the podcast tomorrow. Today's Monday. I got back
from Carbos Sunday, and somehow Stephanie, Stephanie and Lynette will take a trip
or do something and have the funniest stories, the craziest story. Some shit
is always happen to you guys at the airport, on the plane, at
the hotel. Like you guys will take what seems like a very simple,
mundane trip and it becomes this crazy funny You're so good at like storytelling,
you very good at that. Meanwhile, and I was like, how can
I make my trip to Cabo that? And I can't really, but I'll
just tell you it was just really fun. So so Bella so hard when
everything's just like five stars. It's just like how do you complain? You
know, and just they're waiting on your hand and foot and the food's so
delicious. Yeah, I know, it's hard. It's hard to complain off.
Yeah, I know exactly. Now go on. So they only had
a couple of days overlap with their spring schedules. I think every parent can
relate to that when you have different kids at different ages, at different schools.
So I was I had no plans for spring break a couple months ago.
I wasn't going to do anything, and then the girls are like,
dude, we need to go somewhere for spring break. I was like,
all right, let's drive down to San Diego and they're like, no,
Like I want to go somewhere. I was like, like, I don't
want to get on a plane. I just I just wanted to chill.
But of course you do for your children. In so I had to sacrifice
and go to Cabo for so hard. It's really hard hard. That's what
we do as moms. We just we do what we can for kids put
a smile on their face. So I was like, all right, let's
go to Cabo. Great. I actually researched a lot to find a hotel
where you could actually swim in the water, because in Cabo San Lucas there's
a lot of riptides and so a lot of the hotels you can't actually swim
in the water. Even if they're right on the water, you can't necessarily
just go down to the beach and jump in. So then when we're seeing
pictures of people on their vacates to Cabo and they're in the water, what
are we seeing there's certain places where you can go in the water, and
there's certain resorts where you can go in the water. So I found that
resort. So and why did you pick Cabo in the first place? Is
it close? Because it's close, it's a two hour flight. It was
an hour and fifty three minutes getting there, two hours and ten minutes back,
okay. And I was just like, I just don't want to go
to Hawaii, Like I just didn't want to go far. I just wanted
to like something simple and easy. And so I was looking at you know,
Cabo is like can be one big party, like especially over spring break.
I was gonna say, like, it's that's you hear about Cabo for
spring break And that's exactly what it is. So funny you say that because
at UCLA they the Greek Bella's in a sorority, so they have the Greek
system. So they were like, Okay, a bunch of sorority girls and
a bunch of sorty guys. Someone plans this big trip and they rent out
the hotel and they plan events for every day. You're gonna go on a
boat, this day, you're gonna do this, this day, this night
you're doing this, it's a whole thing. But it's literally all the fraternity
guys and sorty guys at UCLA descend on this one place and it's just you
know, drinking and whatever else, debauchery the whole thing. So Bella was
like, Mom, can I go? And literally my stomach dropped. I
was like, that sounds terrifying to me that you're in Mexico, like where
it's I don't like. To me, it felt very out of control,
out of my control, like in terms of like I don't know, someone
going to slip something in your drink, Like who are these people that are
going on the strip? I didn't realize how kind of organized and planned out
it was. Initially I was just like, what just a bunch of fraternio
story people going to Commo and like you hear about these crazy stories about like
hotels in random places and they get like drugged. You know who drugs them?
We don't know. They end up in the pool, like I don't
know. I went to the darkest of darkest place and I was like,
Bella, honestly, the sad thing is when you said they end up in
the pool, I was like, oh, I know exactly the story you're
talking about. Yes, yes, I was like, I don't know that.
I think I heard a podcast. I know I heard a podcast that
these people ended up dead in a pool, thank you. So of course
nobody could explain it. They had no idea how it happened. I was
like, it's just sad that. I immediately like, oh yeah, yea,
you're like, sorry, I know that one. That's what's gonna happen.
So of course I was like, that sounds terrifying and no, and
Bella was like half in, half out anyway. She was also kind of
like, oh, like that could be a lot of fun, but could
also be like kind of sketchy, you know. And she had never been
to Mexico and to go down there by yourself, and she's very adventurous and
it's not so she was kind of half in, half out. If we
were like, go, you're gonna have a great time, she would have
gone. But we were like, no, come you know right out,
you know, a little family vaca. So she was like, okay,
let's just do that. So the girls and I went down to Cabo and
in the airports everywhere, it's just college, like you said, college kids
everywhere there, like you know, fraternity sweatshirts on this that they're hats,
they're whatever they So then I was having fomo for her because I was like,
oh my god, look at all these people they're doing it, Like,
oh my god, I feel terrible. So we get to this hotel.
So I didn't want a hotel where it was so much parting. So
I texted my mom friend group and I was like, guys, where do
you guys go in Mexico, like with your family. So they're sending me
places and then one girl's like, me Cabo. This hotel me Cowbos,
it's great, da da. So I started looking at me Cabo and every
single review is like it's so fun. It's a big party. They're blasting
music. It's like surf dislay at the pool. There's all these weird people
dancing. I was like, oh no, hell to the no, that's
exactly what I don't want to do. So I found the Hilton Los Cobos
shout out Hilton Los Cabos. So Los Cobos is twenty minutes south of Cabo,
San Lucas, Okay, So there's a lot of hotels there as well,
but it's not busy. It's like the retirement community. Oh yeah,
of Cobo exactly, but just nice hotels, nice resorts, golf courses,
kind of like a little bit of everything without the craziness of Cabo. So
yes, I was having So when we got there, it was families.
I mean it really was families or couples or this and that. But it
was this beautiful hotel. You can swim, you just go right down to
the ocean swim. We spent the days like just in the pool, in
the ocean. It was amazing and Bella had a wonderful time. But for
the first day and a half, I was like, oh my god,
this is somewhere. It's like I've got my nineteen year old, you know,
college kid here with like us as a family, and like, you
know, there were not many college kids at this hotel. But then I
would be like, oh see see see those guys they're in college. They're
here with their parents. Do By the Endbella was like, this is the
best trip ever. This is exactly what I wanted. Totally relaxing, so
fun. We did go into Cabo one night and it was just not it
was you know, if you're going to go into Cabo, you probably don't
go into like nine thirty or ten o'clock at night and you just go straight
to a bar, you know, and just drink and part right, and
that that's not what we were doing. So it was just me and the
girls because Jamil couldn't go. He had he was on call. It was
the best mother daughter girl trip like ever. We just had the best time.
I don't really have any crazy stories or anything to complain about. We
did do like a one day where you go on a sailboat and you they
provide lunch. It's an open bar, and then they take you in this
cove and you go snorkeling and all that stuff. So you know, is
it booze cruisy or was it everybody was drinking. There were only fourteen of
us on the boat, so it wasn't like so packed, but yes,
everybody was taking advantage of the open bar except for me of course. And
even Bella was like, I do not want to have a drink and be
on this boat and like start vomiting, you know, like just most she
didn't know if she's gonna get motion sick or whatever. Right, So we
were the sober ones and it was the best because you know, you start
out on the cruise, everybody's like, who having a good time, but
kind of quiet, you know, and this and that. By the time
we were heading back, everybody's like like dancing. And then this mom and
this dad with their two sons. The mom and the dad was the best.
They were just like you know, white folk from the East Coast,
huh, and very nice like my age, you know. But you know,
you just didn't expect. All of a sudden, the dad on the
way back is just like, you know, cheersing everybody on the boat,
and like the music would go on, he'd just start like bopping his head
start dancing. I was like, this is amazing. So it was fun
to watch being sober. And then the mom was like like we had like
a there was a captain, and then there was like this guy who was
like serving us and stuff, and he was cute and kind of young.
So she's like going up against him dancing like listen, I'll do what I
got to do to get my tip. Like if this is what it takes,
I got to dance with the moms, the drunk moms, I will
do it. Just give me the tip. Afterwards. The kids are like
nine and eleven. Oh gosh, it was very funny. That's going to
be seared into their brains. Though, yes, yes, and yes.
And I grew up around some drinking too, and I think that's why I
don't do it, because I it was embarrassing as a kid. So I
was like, I just I don't need to be I do not need to
do this to my kids. Whatever. Everybody's having a right time. Look,
the writing was on the wall for me before I quit drinking. I
was like, my kids were real young when I quit drinking. But I
was like, you know, I will, by accident, end up being
that drunk mom that you know, yes that my kids are at an age
where it's not cute. It's not funny. See mom going like a exactly
flashing my boobs. Yeah, like mom, please please, I know.
So Cobo was amazing. I had the best I have to shout out to
someone who probably doesn't listen to the show, but I'm gonna shout them out
anyway. So check this out. So we're at the hotel and there's a
like an infinity pool, and next to the infinity pool. Lining the infinity
pool are these cabanas, really nice cabanas that overlook the ocean, the pool.
You're right there in the action. You know, when you go to
these hotels, like the chairs are hard to come by. You got to
go down at seven am, put your book on some chairs. If you
want to get some lounge chair, right, they're gone so fast. The
cabanas you have to rent. I honestly didn't even know how much they were.
I didn't ask. I was like, we're just gonna get up at
seven am, throw our books on some chairs and do that. So the
second the kids like, okay, cool, yeah, get up at seven
am on our vacation and oh no, I'm up early. Anyway, I
got to the jam, I do my thing. Oh yeah, yeah.
I was like, guys, I got you. Don't worry about Okay,
mom thinks so that was number not an issue. But so anyway, so
I get into the Infinity pool and this is one morning. This was Friday.
We got there Wednesday. This was Friday. So Thursday I went down,
I got some chairs for us, and we just spent the day in
the sun. The problem with the chairs is you're in the sun the entire
day, so you can't spend as much time by the pool because you don't
have that break of shade the cabanas though you've got shade, you've got sun.
You can pull the curtains, you can do whatever you want to have
as much or as little son as you want. And it's just like this
big bed. It's so it's it's it's cush it's nice. So anyway,
I get into the Infinity Pool and you can it's a standing pool, you
know, so it's not so deep. And this boy was throwing a football
with another boy. They were like ten years old. So I'm walking by
them, but I kind of got a little close to the boy so I
could go around him to get to the edge of the pool. And this
dad goes, hey, son, watch out, watch out. I'm like,
no, no, no, it's good. I was about I was
about to intercept anyway, because they were throwing a football and you're like oh.
And then I walk and they throw it and cat and then the dad
says to me, oh, you missed your chance. I was like,
look, I'm just trying to be nice to these little boys. I don't
want to, you know, like show them up. And he's like ha
ha ha. That was the end of that. So then like ten minutes
later, the girls are now in the infinity pool and I go to take
a picture of them and I'm kind of bending down to take shots and the
same dad comes up to me and he's like, hey, listen, literally
it was eleven in the morning. He's like, so we rented this cabana
for the whole day, but we're about to catch a flight. Do you
want the cabana. I was like wait what. I was like really,
and he's like, yeah, it's yours. You can have it if you
want to. I'm like, are you Like yeah, dude, I'll be
like like the best mom My teenagers are gonna love me. And he's like,
yeah, I saw you had your girls totally take it. And I
was like, oh, thank you so much. His name's Brian Baldwin.
I don't know where he's from or what he does the coolest. All day
we were like cheers to Brian, Cheers to Brian, like every time,
and then like I took a nap in there, and we literally spent from
like eleven am until five pm the entire day. We ordered food to the
cabana to his account, though you know not why wouldn't you. It's like
put it on Brian's step. So it was just like it was just like
a magical day. It was just one of those things where it was like
meant to happen. And the kids are like, Mom, it's because you
were flirting with him. That's why I gave you. I'm like, are
you looking to talk? And they were, they were messing with me.
I was like, I'm not, I was not even I just I'm a
friendly person. So I was just like messing around and they're like it.
He didn't have a wedding ring on it. He was just with his son.
I was like, well, listen, whatever you gotta do. Gotta
do girls. This is a lesson in life. Okay, if you want
something, you just got to flaunt it. It's really easy. Tits up,
girls up and out. Tits an ass up. My ass is down,
but there's his ups. You just put them out there. You're like,
would it kill you to wear a bikini? Like what? Why?
The one? Can? We also talk about the bikinis. So I have
a nineteen year old and a fifteen year old. There are very few bikinis
that are actually full butt anymore. Like if you go to Hollister or wherever
you're going to shop for bikinis. So they're in like the Brazilian Like,
my fuck freaking fifteen year old is in a bathing suit. It's not g
string, but it might as well be. Right. This is so cheeky,
cheeky. That's called cheeky. That's exactly what it's called. And I'm
like, Sophie, you're fifteen, and she's like, mom, this is
like what everybody would. It is so against like everything in my bones for
them for me to be like, Okay, I guess you have to wear
that. But I didn't have a choice, like there is. We were
at Hollister and they did have like regular they did. I mean it wasn't
that they didn't, but she was like, but there are very few you'd
have to go to, like you'd have to go to like your jaz Penny,
yeah, to find ye ny. So it was just and I just
feel for the men, the dads that have to sit there and look at
these like younger girls in like I'm sure they're feeling like a little I don't
I'm not prude, but it's just weird, Like it's just weirdest. Maybe
it's just because it's my kid. So I with Bella doing it. It
doesn't bother me. She's an adult whatever. She's almost twenty this year,
and like I kind of it felt more comfortable to be an adult and showing
more of your body than to be fifteen and having like your butt hanging out.
I don't know it is. I remember just when the kids started.
I remember that phase started when our kids were twelve, okay. I remember
we had a friend that yes, yeah, who, yes, who started
on the skimpy bathing suits early where are there either of us did? And
we were all scandalized by that. Yes, yes, oh my god,
so and so went to the beach and the mom didn't even say anything.
She thought it was cute. Yeah, and we were like horrified. Yeah.
And then yes, a few years later, oh my god. And
now here's Elbe going to her rave. Okay. Bella showed me the picture
because I was like, okay, Stephanie talked about Elbe going to a rave
and Bella like, oh, yeah, she has it on her and I
was like, okay, show me this picture. It was so cute though,
that's what they all wear at raves, right, but she was wearing
tiny, like basically bikini bottoms. I saw the white outfit. Okay,
not the one you're talking about. There's another outfit. It was like a
little white tennis skirt with a white bikini top and then her hair and the
cute whatever she was doing with it. Right, it was a total rave
with the high boots. Yes, but apparently you know it's it's very trendy
as the showing your whole ass to basically show the whole underneath of Yes,
the under boob. Under boob is like in for me, I would be
like, pull that down? Do you want to pull that down? You?
How could you? But it's uncomfortable. Look, it just looks like
it doesn't fit. But they're like, no, that's how it's supposed to
be. So basically, just your nipples are covered and everything's fall It looks
like you're just falling out of it. It's like a Kendle Jenner thing.
It was like a g hedied bellahadide Kendall Jenner. They all did that.
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yeah, the the it's it's difficult because our kids are at an age,
like you said, fifteen, it still feels young. Yeah, it is
young. I think it's I was very uncomfortable with it. But for me,
when I was young, I had and it how do how do I
put this? I don't want to body shame myself, but I had the
I had cellu light from a very young age because I don't know, it's
just like you know, it's hereditary. So even though I was a gymnast
when I was really young, and so around the age of like twelve thirteen,
I still everything was still very tight and from gymnastics. But then when
I stopped doing gymnastics, I went through puberty and had just like a lot
of cellulate and I don't I remember feeling like something's wrong with me, like
yeah, and I just didn't. I always had that feeling of not wanting
to like show off. And so even later when stuff was in style of
like more of a g stream look like a never in a million years,
and I was always like who who who does that? I say, we
grew up. I think in an air, especially in the eighties, where
it was just like the really blonde tan girls that would do that and you
get away with it. Nobody else is doing that, And also it seemed
also seemed very foreign. It was like, well, if you're on a
beach in Brazil, yes, but am I on a beach in Brazil.
You're in like a bikini contest. That's the only place you're going to see
that, right, right, it's so odd And now it's like every now
it's like the norm almost right, it's like weird if you're Meanwhile, I
had my like, you know, bikini full butt like and then Sophie says
to me, we're at the pool. She goes, there's so many one
pieces here? Why is everybody doing a one piece? I go, because
as you age, things don't look as good as they used to. Like,
oh, yeah, girl, you gotta like cover up. It's yeah.
Oh. I find myself drawn to the Facebook ads for like full skirts,
like on the bathing suit. I'm like, oh, that's pretty good,
Like hi, make it a kneeling right, Like oh, I've seen
something where it's basically like a dress for the water though, and like it's
like a maxi dress, but you swim in it? Sign me up?
How do I get one of those? Like, I'm just like, you
know, I could wear seriously, if there was like a swimsuit burka.
I know it's like for reserve for people's religious reasons, but I want one.
I'll wear it, I know. And then I just got to the
point, to be honest, when I was out by the pool. I
mean, I had a bikini on and stuff, but you know when you
walk to the bathroom and you put you know, you want to like cover
up. I finally was like, I just don't care. I'm never going
to see these people again. I'm just gonna walk to the bathroom in a
bikini and like I don't care what's jiggling, what's mood? Like it is
what it is, you know, I don't care. So I'm sure I'm
like that mom that I used to look at and be like, why doesn't
she put on somebody clothes like when I was young, Yeah, oh god,
she should not be in the bikini. But I'm like, well where
I where I am with you on That is the fact that when I was
growing up, my mom was a hippie, did not like wearing brash,
and I was horrified that my mom would walk around with these low hanging tits,
you know, with no support in just like a T shirt, walking
around and I'd be like, god, I wish my mom would wear a
bra, you know, And now I'm her I don't do it. I'm
not going to like, well I have gone to Target with that, but
I'm like walking the dog, I'm just like, hey, the sweatshirt's loose.
You're wearing a big, baggy sweatshirt. That works, but if you're
in a T shirt, please Stephanie. Oh god, I know, and
I have big boob, so I can't. I'm not I'm not doing that,
but I'm saying it is funny because I do think, like sometimes when
I'm walking the dog, I'm like, well, I hope I don't really
run into anybody. But then I'm like, well, can I running into
the neighbors? Like okay, okay, the neighbors are going to see me,
like in a loose sweatshirt without a bra, Like that's fine. Like
I've got I've gotten much looser with my you know. Yeah, you get
to the point where you don't have any fucks to give. Yeah, I
don't have a lot, but I still do have that. There is a
cringe factor with that. I think of my children, think of the children,
and of the child always. Oh my gosh, do we know we
don't? We just did an ad. I'm like, I'm all discombobulated.
I wanted to know. I brought it up last time. So I want
you to tell the story of So you you you have been with Jamil for
a long time, really long time. So we celebrated twenty years last year
married. Yeah, but we've basically been on and off together since nineteen ninety
six. Yeah. So I'm not that old. I was twenty you met
Yeah, but yeah, you met him really young. I've always found this
story to be fascinating. Okay, So you met him in college. Okay,
so this is what happened. So I was at Pepperdine and he was
at UC Riverside in a program called the BioMed program, where it's very very
competitive, where you do three years of undergrad and your fourth year is at
UCLA Medical School. Okay, So he when he was in college and then
you still have to go to med school after that. Yes, you do
three years at UC Riverside. Your fourth year is not. You're done with
college in three years and your fourth year is your first year of medical school.
Oh UCLA. But then you have to apply to other medical schools or
you can get in. So when you originally apply to the program, it's
very competitive because once you're in, it's a straight shot to medical school.
Wow. And then people it's really impressive. People drop out along the way
though, so you end up with like intent it's to wait. It's really
intense. So you end up with like thirty I think a cohort of thirty
oh by the end, I don't know how many start. But so the
thing is Dremill and I met at a very good time. He was twenty
one. I was twenty so I was in my third year of college or
something, and he was now in his first year of medical school. Okay,
if I would have met him before, he was a total frat boy,
like, total partier, total womanizer, total frat boy. He would
admit it, and he he those were his glory days. He still talks
about that. So where did you meet? So the funny thing was is
so so anyway? So I was just never a big partier, like,
yes, I've gotten drunk in my twenties and this and that. But I
just I never searched for the party. It wasn't the big party or he
was, so it never would have happened if we had met a year prior.
But anyway, my dad was getting in a war in the Lebanese community
and it was spring break for both of us. So Jamie's uncle was going,
and Jamill's uncle was like, Hey, why don't you come with me
to this gala event where, you know, Casey Caasem's getting an award.
My dad was kind of big in the Lebanese community because I weren't at the
time, there weren't that many, you know, a famous Lebanese people.
So Jimial's like, all right, I'll come with you and my dad obviously
we went because he was getting the award, and so I met him there
that night and I just met him. He was with his sister and we
chit chatted. I was with my brother and sister and that was the end
of that. Like I didn't didn't even think twice. And then the next
day you didn't think he was cute. I it just no, Like I
just was like, oh, Hi, nice to meet you. I didn't
go like, oh, he's got like, nothing sparked anything. Okay.
But the next day, my dad's like, I'm going to a protest.
Do you want to come with me? And I was like, yeah,
I do. So I went to the protest and my dad and I walk
in and there's Jamille holding a sign like walking, and then I saw him
and he was like, oh, hey, Jackie, right, and I
was like, no, my name's Julie. But that's weird that you say
that, because I've always, since I was a kid, wanted to change
my name to Jackie. All well, I won't even say, but at
the time I used those my passwords were that everything, like everything was Jackie.
So it was really that was kind of weird. So then I was
like, all right, I'll walk with you. So I just walked with
him and talked with him. By the end of the protest, I was
like, oh my god, I am so into this guy. So at
that time, he was in his first year of medical school, but he
was still living in Riverside because you do your first year there and then you
come down to Westwood. Anyway, this is that doesn't really matter, but
he was still in Riverside, so that part matters, and I was at
Pepperdine, so we were on opposite ends of I mean, he wasn't even
in Los Angeles County, so we were we were an hour a good hour
and a half away from each other. Yeah. Anyway, so then he
said, at the end of the protest, he goes, my friends and
I are going to the Brentwood like art show. Do you want to come?
And I couldn't. I really couldn't. So I go, I'm so
sorry, I can't. Blah blah blah's happening. He goes, Okay,
great, and that was the end of that. He didn't get my phone
number. What no? And I was like, like we hit it off,
Like we just talked and laughed the whole time and it was really great.
He didn't get my number, but I was like, so we leave
and I call my friend. I was like, I met this guy.
I'm like, I'm sure through the Lebanese community, he will somehow find my
phone number. And these were like who would have anyway? This was there
were no cell phones, so he would have had to call some home number.
I don't even know how, but whatever. Anyway, So like a
week goes by and I'm calling my friend Julian Melanie telling him, I'm like,
wait, it's weird that he hasn't called because we like for sure connected.
And he even asked me to go out afterwards and I couldn't. So
then I was like it was two weeks later. I'm like, fuck it,
I'm calling for one one as you did back in nineteen ninety six,
huh. And I was like, I don't remember this part of the story.
I did. I'm loving it literally because I didn't. I wasn't that
in with the Lebanese community, so I wouldn't have known anybody that would have
known him, Like I didn't know a lot of Lebanese people per se at
the time, and so it's like, I guess i'll call four one one.
So I called four one one for Riverside and I asked for Jimmille and
there was a number, which is interesting because he had two other roommates,
so it could have been any one of those roommates that set up the phone
under their name, but it just so happened that he set up the phone
under his name, okay, and so they had it registered. So I
called him. So the way he tells the story is we were at the
protest. I asked you to go to this art show. You said no,
So I thought you weren't interested in me, so I didn't ask you
for your number because he has a lot of pride too, and he's like,
oh, yeah he does. He does. So he's like, okay,
I guess I guess that's a no. So then I called him and
he was like, what, Like I left a message with his roommate and
he says when he got home and his roommate's like, yes, someone named
Julie Casam called. He was like what. He just thought it was so
weird, you know, He's like, oh, that's weird. So then
we talked and then he thought it was weird that you'd call him. He
just he's like, maybe she wants me to tutor her. Because I was
even talking because I was at the time doing I was a science major,
so like we talked about classes and I was taking organic chemistry at the time,
and it was just like he was like maybe he didn't think I liked
him, and so anyway, so then we went So then we started talked
more, talked more, and then he's like, let's go out. So
then we went out and he drove all the way from Riverside to Pepperdine.
He got a speeding ticket on the way. Yeah. He's like, I
had like no money at the time, my car was falling apart. He
was like, this is the last thing I needed. So he then he
tells the story how he showed how he shows up to the gates at Pepperdine
and he was like, they thought I was a delivery boy when I asked
to see Julie Kayesum, they were like, are you making a delivery?
It's like funny how he says it. Anyway, so he picks me up.
We go think your sway from you. Thanks guys, Sorry about that.
Okay, So we go out to dinner in Third Street Promenade. We
go eat Italian food and I was just like, oh my god, this
guy's incredible. And then like that was it. Then we like took me
down to the beach, we kissed on the beach, and then he dropped
me back off and like I don't know, we were just like inseparable from
that point on, like it's just like, oh, this is my guy.
So then then so that's ninety six to ninety seven, and he would
travel with my family on vacations, and it was just like, oh he
would married, he's got all that I love you that was happening, everything,
everything, like it was just like okay, like we're together now.
But I was twenty turning twenty one. He was twenty one turning twenty two.
But I didn't even think of age at the time, Like I wasn't
thinking marriage. But I was like this is going to be like we're good.
We found each other right right right, And then like a year and
a half later he broke up with me. Like it was pretty much out
of nowhere. It was like the most heart wrenching thing. But in his
mind he was like, you know, I'm going to go to medical school
and then I may want to go move back, because he like left Lebanon
when he was ten, then he lived in Kenya for six years and then
he came to the States. Wow, So in his mind he was like
he left Lebanon when there was a war, and now the war was over,
and he was like, I think I want to be a doctor.
I want to go back to Lebanon. I want to open a clinic and
like give back, you know, to the Lebanese community. And I was
like, yeah, I'm not moving to Lebanon, like I that was just
not so you had already talked about that before he broke up with you,
like I want to be doing that terms. It was like he know,
he didn't say like I'm definitely doing this, but he was like, I
think I kind of want to like explore going back to Lebanon, and I
would I'd be like, oh god, I'm not. I'm no, I'm
not gonna like I'm not going to live there. But it was never like
a sit down, serious conversation. It was like in passing, like thinking
about our futures, right, And so I think in his mind he was
like, well, wait a minute, like if that's not in her future,
I don't want to I don't want this to continue because that might very
well be in my future. And so he spent a summer in Lebanon and
he came back and he's like, I don't know where my future is,
and I don't want this to continue if that's what I want to do,
and da da da da. And I think there was a girl in Lebanon
and he denies it to this day, but I know there was definitely if
they I don't know if they get hooked up or not, but there's definitely
a flirtation going on there. So I think that was also a catalyst for
like, hey, she's in Lebanon, maybe I really want to like go
there and that's my future. And Julie is a California American girl, even
though I'm half Lebanese, who's not gonna vibe with being in that country?
Which you know, it's my home country in terms of my grandfather was born
and my grandmother was born there like that, for all intents and purposes,
is my heritage and I'm very proud of it. But I'm very much American
in terms of my like sensibilities and way of life. So he broke up
with me. I was so devastated. You know when you're like your first
love and you're like the world's over, Like it's just over. Like I
just gained weight. I was just like I could not get out of the
funk. Took me a very long time. Didn't you wish you were the
kind of person who lost weight when things were like, well, who are
those people? Who are those people that I don't understand? I'm just not
hungry. Where's the ice cream? Where are the cookies. I need something
to feel good and this is making me feel good. Yeah, yes,
totally. So did you when he broke up with you? Were you just
like, don't do it? Like what, No, don't do this?
Or were you like kind of was like I get it, Like I didn't
fight it because it was just he had He's also a guy that when he
makes up his mind, he sticks with it. You know, he's not
wish now that being said, and the time we were broken up, we
did hook up a few times, right, I was going to get to
that. Yeah. So wait, so he breaks up with you, so
you're how long were you like really broken up before he reached out and was
like, wow, okay, hold on, you know what, we should
take a quick break. Let's take a quick break and then and then hear
the rest. Okay, we're back. Yeah. So we were broken up
a total of three years before he came back and said, I love you,
I want to marry you. You're the person for me. So in
those three years, he had another girlfriend, I had another boyfriend, but
we would like see like he always said, I'm we're not getting back together,
but then like we would randomly like run into each other or call each
other and have like a little hookup, and then he'd be like, but
please know, like I'm telling you that I this is like we're having fun.
I'm not getting back together with you. But in my mind I'm like,
oh, yes you are, like we're just gonna hook up and then
you're gonna fall back in love with me. And then he wouldn't write,
and then I'd be kind of heartbroken again. And then one time he called
me, He's like, hey, can you like take me shopping? Like
I need new clothes and stuff, and like can you help me pick stuff
out? So now we went shopping and in the dressing room, oh yeah,
it's like you know those kinds of things and in your mind where you
like, I'm gonna prove to him that I'm finn and sexy and like exactly,
Okay, as we women do, you were the piney, the piner
always yes, and then as the guys do, they're in it having fun
and then they're like sorry, and you're like, but but but I will
say he never said he never called me and was like I love you,
let's get together, and then hooked up with me and ghosted me. He
always said, this is not right, but we were very attracted to each
other, you know, and I was like, in my mind, I'm
like, we'll get back together. Things will happen. So then finally I
applied to graduate school. I was like twenty four twenty five at the time,
and I got into USC and I got into graduate school in Boston.
And then that's when I finally said, you know what, I need to
move out of this state for a little while to get over him, fully
get over him. I mean I had boyfriends and stuff, but he was
just We lived around the corner from each other in Brentwood, so I'd always
drive by and I would always like see if there was a girl who was
car parked in his driveway because his he had like a car park thing.
Anyway, one time there was, so then me and my roommate at the
time like snuck up and look through the window to see if we could see
who the girl was. Oh my god, did you Oh we did.
I didn't see her, but like, just like things like that, I
was like, I don't know. I couldn't get him out of my mind.
So I was like, finally like I'm out. I'm out. So
I moved to Boston and we're talking still, like we were friendly always,
but like and I was like, dude, you should come visit me and
he's like no, He's like, you know, if I come visit you,
that means something else. And he's like, and I'm not there,
Like I'm just not there yet. He's like, you really just move on.
Like so he didn't say I'm not there yet, he said I'm not
I'm not there. He's like, I love our friendship and I value you
and I love you and you're such a great person, but like we're on
two different paths, you know. He's like, and if I fly out
to Boston, then that means something and I'm not there. So I moved
to Boston in August. I come back for Christmas break in December and he's
like, can I see you? And of course I was like yes,
and he's like, I love you. I want to spend the rest of
my life with you. I'm like, really, we were for three years.
We were literally across the street from each other in what across the alley
from each other. But it took me moving across the country for you to
realize like, oh wait a minute, this really is who I want.
I think because I moved on with my life and I was making friends in
Boston and I was like just doing my own thing. I think he was
like whoa, wait what And of course distance makes the heart grow fonder.
So then we were together. And then were you at all worried that he
was into it because you were far away? And it wasn't no, because
he's the guy that when he makes up his mind, he's like no,
no, no, no no. So he never once in those three years
said I want to get back together with you. I mean, we had
hooked up. He always said, you're such a great person, but our
futures are different. But he never said I don't I'm falling out of love
with you. It's more like this isn't going to work because we are just
we have two different lives, you know, right anyway, So yeah,
so that's kind of her. Stayed in Boston though, So I stayed in
Boston and he would fly out, I would fly home. And then a
year later he proposed to me on Valentine Day in Boston. Still from still
doing long distance. We did long distance for a year and a half after
that, because I was there a total of two years. Yeah. Oh
wait, so you only did graduate school for two years. Yeah, it's
two years year round. The USC program is three years with summers off.
The Northeastern program is two years, but you're there all the time, like
you're there summers and everything, so it's like like three years because you don't
have breaks. I mean, you just get your normal breaks. Okay.
Yeah, it was like an accelerated I guess program. Wow. Okay.
So then he proposed, they proposed, and then I moved back in two
thousand and three. We were married, So we together from ninety six to
ninety seven, We broke up from ninety seven to two thousand, got back
together basically like January of two thousand and one, and then married two years
after that. It's so funny because we it's a little bit similar. I
mean, John and I didn't break up, but I'm because I met him
later because I'm older than you. Yeah, but we met in ninety nine,
end of ninety nine, and then we moved in like a couple years
later, and then we were married in oh four. Yeah. Yeah,
so that's that's our love story. I just love the I mean, just
the pining is so relatable and not being able to like get over it,
and you know, every I feel like every girl goes through that or every
person I should say, could be guy or a girl where you just and
I don't know, I feel like maybe I feel like guys have an easier
shut off valve. Maybe I'm wrong, whereas women are just like but but
but it could work and like, and then you have these fantasies of how
it could work, and you're like, but if he just sees me once,
like if we just go out one more time, then he'll remember how
great I am and how much he likes me. Right, and then you
go out and it doesn't happen. Well, but then but it will like
okay, But like you just you constantly have these fantasies of like how it's
gonna eventually work out, and most of the time it doesn't, Like you
know, I think, I I don't know why it worked out with us.
I just I always felt like we just he's my guy, like it
was weird, like again I dated other and let me say this, I'm
glad we broke up for three years. We were both too young to like
fully commit, me being twenty him being twenty one. I hooked up with
people he hooked up with people. I think it was better to get all
that out of your system before you do come back and get together. I
really believe that because you know, like if you get together so young,
like I don't know, do you at some point start wondering what else is
out there? At some point I don't know. I feel like you probably
do twistertain extent. Yeah. So, and like I tell my girls the
same thing. I'm like dates, like go out, like meet people,
so you know who you like and who you don't like. You know,
like the type of person you want and the type of person you don't want.
Right, you need to have a lot of experiences. You need to
have breakups, you need to have all of it so you really understand like
the type of person and the type of lifestyle you want to live. Yeah.
As I said one time on this podcast that that that I suddenly got
in trouble for that. I want for LB to have a ha phase,
like a to experience people, but for that reason to like, but you
know, I I wish, I mean, I had such a hoe phase
that it's very difficult to ever think like I don't ever have to think like,
oh, I wonder if there's somebody else out there that's more compatible,
like sample right, right, I've done the one night stands and the just
like go you know, guy to guide to guide to like you know,
I've had those periods, and it does teach you, like what you like
and what you don't like, and how different people are and how different you
know. And I think if you have if you're like stuck with one person
from the very beginning, how do you know? How do you it's weird?
I know, if you're being treated well or not right, you have
nothing to compare to, no perspective, right, yeah, and so like
and even just like learning how to argue, learning conflict resolution, like learning
all the things and learning how different people argue and how you're like, oh
god, I don't want to be with a guy that yells and screams and
walks out of the room. I want a guy that's gonna sit and talk
things out, like just stupid things like that. And by the way,
when I say ho phase, it's not only like just sleeping with random people
dating dating, and like not being in a serial monogamist and especially like even
if you have one other relationship, I just don't think that's enough to go
like, well, I had one other boyfriend, but I still like this
one better. It's like you're when you're young. You I don't know.
Listen, I'm sure some people met in high school and it were still together.
Yeah, and that's fine. There's different ways to do everybody exactly.
Some people are different. Some people really love the security of knowing that they've
known that person since high school. They know who you are and their ride
or die forever. Like actually, a woman I work with has been with
her husbands in high school and they're just the cutest, like, and yeah,
works well for that, I guess for me, I just feel like,
especially having met John a little bit older, I feel like, well,
I don't need to get back out there right even when things are really
when they're just so staid and it's the same old, same old, Like
yes, you know, okay, but I still know that I prefer that
over just like some new person that I don't know anything about them. I'm
not comfortable, like I like being I like being comfortable, and I know,
I know I've dated a lot of people. That's the thing. Now,
you again, having perspective, you know, the grass isn't greener,
like you know that you never have to think like, oh my god,
what if? Like what if? Yeah? Exactly, because you're la girl.
I've been out there and it's ugly. Would you find someone it's nice?
Yeah? Yeah, Well I hope we all got to know Julie a
little better. I heard some stuff that I hadn't even heard before. And
before we go, let us just give We have a couple more shout outs.
We have Christine b And she's our She's our storybook World travel dot com.
So go for all of your travel needs. Why don't you hit up
storybook World Travel. Why don't you? Also every week we do Adam Lerner.
Adam's got a car, that's his website. He can help you figure
out get the best price if you want a lease, if you want to
buy a used car, buy a new car. It's free if you live
in anywhere in California. And there is a fee, but he gives a
discount to fcol listeners for his fee anyway, and you're not paying anything for
him to shop. That's just if he gets you a car, and then
he's going to get you such a low rate that it will be worth your
while. Also, our friend Marin has a gift shop on the island of
Kawhai called Sugar Skull. Okay, they do wedding, they do cakes,
wedding cakes, they do all sorts of gifty stuff. Check them out or
go to their Instagram page at Sugar Skull eight oh eight. And also hold
on here, I got Mike Gerstein. So his shout out is he's he's
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He's a plumber. He's been doing it twenty years. He can fix
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He's he's honest, he's clean. Yeah, he's polite. Listen,
you know Lynette's one Nut's friends. So what do you what do you want
to run a background check on One Nut's frint His phone numbers four eight zero,
six nine six one seven seven seven. And if you're a realtor,
he can do the thing where he runs the camera and the main sewer line
to catch any issues there. So yeah, check him out. All right,
I think that's it. Thank you so much, Julius, you so
much. Fast I love you. I'm so happy we've got to come in.
I would have you on regularly, but you have a job which really
interferes with my life. So thanks for that, all right, Thank you,
Caitlin, Thank you so much. Sheila, you're a parent, now,
don't hit it up. It's let ain't go.