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Hellllo, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome back to the Sax Snyder Retrospective.

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I am stick trast Now, I'm
the dancer, kirkle Batzer, I'm Dylan

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mus I'm Sweetpee, tator Field,
taylor Field, sweet Pee. Where can

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they find us on the social media
threads? And well, I guess it's

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one place we will be in twenty
twenty four. But you know, next

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week me and Kirkan will be reviewing
Rebel Moon, so we'll have that going

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on and other stuff next week.
Where can you find that? Badies,

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gentlemen, you're not our internet connection
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ca is our home base. Gee
first cast on Twitter at keek versus is

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our Facebook. Yes, like I
said, a year and we still got

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some stuff coming up. We got
the best Game of the Year what we

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call him that next week episode Dylan
the Game of the Year side Quest Game

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of the Year Part two. Boom, there you go. You have Game

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the Year. You got this,
you'll have our better watch out, our

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Christmas retrospective. You'll have aucaman To
and Rebel Moon. So for the week

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after I think they're I think you
guys record a side quest and I might

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do a trust but the week after
probably gonna be a bit more of acchore

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stuff. But you'll have nice,
like five episodes this week, dropping to

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kind of you know, enjoy over
the Halliday week and week whatever you're doing.

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So I hope you're having a good
time. But yes, as I

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said, it's kind of continuing because
we have done this before. We've done

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a Man of Steel retrospective, we
did a Watch From retrospective, we did

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a God, what do we do
for Army the Dead? What's his don

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the Dead? Yeah, we did
that. So we have a good review

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base and retrospective base of Zack Snyder
stuff, which is funny because you know,

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he's not like one of our favorite
directors, but he always does number

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so hence why we do a Zaccenter
retrospective because there's always something. But yeah,

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we're almost We're two movies away from
completing his whole filmography, so I'm

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sure we will get there with a
Roman Left three hundred and Legends of the

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Guardians Als of Ghoul. Oh,
right, the animated movie he did.

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I've never seen three hundred before.
Oh, that'll be a fun one if

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you do the second three hundred as
well. No, he didn't know,

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so we can skip that one.
Other than Ava Green looking mighty spicy in

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that, there's not much to the
second three hundred. So but yes we

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uh so this was we put up
the patrons or the patren producers, which

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you can go do because Patreon producers
especially look out in twenty twenty four.

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You might get a pick a few
more things we do. But yes,

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that's what happens when we do retrospective
of directors, actors or holiday seasons.

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Say hey, here's a couple of
movies. Make a vote, and somehow

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they chose Sucker Punch. I thought
it was going to be three hundred.

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I was surprised because Sucker Punch is
like, like and I don't know what

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these guys think, but is usually
looked down as his like his worst or

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least film. So I didn't think
that would get it. But maybe that's

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sometimes, as we learn COVID,
a lot of people just gave us films

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that they thought were really bad because
they just want us to talk about them.

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So I'm not sure what the thing
he was between the producers, but

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thank you for voting, and uh
yeah, let's uh Taylor, let's let's

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go with you. What did you
think of sucker Punch? Had you ever

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seen it before at this point?
And now what do you think about it?

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How many years later? Yeah,
So I I saw this back when

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I came in theaters. That was
the last time I saw it. I

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got my my buddies together and went
and saw it. And there's a few

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things I forgot, sder bros,
Snyder bros. Fuck, But like,

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yeah, it's funny because this this
we saw in theaters and then it popped

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back into my life again. I
not that I watched it, but pop

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back in my life again only a
couple of years later because I was I

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went back in the day, like
little Taylor, he's big in those online

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chat rooms, in those video rooms. What a chat rooms with the bros?

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Yeah video just just the ladies,
no bros here, you know,

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just the the good old mega omegal
days. Just flipped through the cocks and

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all that kind of stuff and find
like some genuine conversations. But well,

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wait, what did you say?
What you ever do the omegal stuff back

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in the day? Why did you
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there would always be that the cocks
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one too. That's what it was, because they did a South Park guys,

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you never heard of it. It's
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So there's like there's like a chat
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through like keep talking, like you
can talk to someone that hit next.

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So you cycle through, and there
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but every once in a while you
go through and then there's just like there's

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a guy with the cock out just
fucking beating it up. I was talking

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to real girls apparently, not looking
through Omega goal or whatever. The worst

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one was a Jigsaw mask and that
was he was right there, just fucking

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but still wait, was he wearing
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mask? Oh? Sorry, Billy
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wearing a Tobin Bell mask. Okay, save that for the next originals.

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We'll circle back into the longer conversation
about January. Look out for January.

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We'll have a whole episode Patron,
So there you go. So so yeah,

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anyways, the affiliation with that is
there's one lady that I met there

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back in the Jay and uh,
I wanted to give her a gift and

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so, uh the gift you took
it up? Put my billy, what

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is this gift that you start?
So gave what I give you give on

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these chats. My gifts was a
hard copy DVD of Sucker Punch, and

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it's like she lived out in the
States or whatever, so it took a

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while to get out there. But
that was that was the second time.

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Oh nothing, nothing, No,
that was just that was the second time

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Sucker Punch was in my life for
that period of time. And it is

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here story and time again. Yeah, so there's a little backstory there.

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I should have let you go last. I got none of our back stories.

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But yeah, overall, I think
that the movie has a lot of

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really cool sequences, and I can
see where my younger self watching it probably

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got confused, and how they combined
two narratives, not the not the fantastically

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not the fantastical side of things.
That was definitely much like more obvious where

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it fit into the whole narrative here, but the narrative that it was falling

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back on, and that con mixed
with the actual narrative. I think my

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younger self got confused. So rewatching
it now, it was cool to kind

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of properly understand how this was unfolding
and just really understand certain events and and

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just be reminded too that there were
some great people involved with this film.

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I had no idea that Oscar Isaac's
was in this movie at all, Like

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that blew my mind. So that
was really cool to see. And uh

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yeah, just just a couple of
other sequences that just I feel like they

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aged well. CGI is very prominent
sequences that I really did enjoy just ca

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Yeah, No, I thought it
was. I thought it was a really

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really fun time. I actually enjoyed
it a lot more than I thought it

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was because I was definitely gunning for
guardians that go whol that was my my

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but he was messing the patrons every
day. Did you like this movie when

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you saw it in theaters back in
the day. I did, but I

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wasn't enough to just kind of like
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attribute that to me being younger and
just enjoying the action sequences and not caring

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for the storyline stuff necessarily made for
teenage boys. For sure, Absolutely,

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I'll go because I like to go
back and forth, and I feel like

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I got a good rhythm because I
don't think Dylan's ever seen this movie,

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so I was lean leading off with
him or ending off with him. Yeah,

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it's interesting with Sny we always though
about because he's an interesting cat.

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Where there's the DC stuff, there's
other stuff. I don't think he's ever

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made a bad movie. I think
there's stuff in the DC realm that I

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didn't agree with at all that doesn't
really work. But I've never failed Zack

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Snyder movie. But that's definitely happening
today. I do not like this movie

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one bit. I didn't like it
that I didn't see in theaters, but

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I just remember seeing the theater the
previews just being like this is just does

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not look quality, does not look
good. Especially this is me coming off

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of I like three hundred. I
liked On Dead, but I loved Watchmen,

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so this is the one after Watchman. So that's why I was old,

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like someone vested of Like, Okay, I like this cast, even

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like Oscaris like I didn't know about
them, but just other people. John

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Hammer liked Carla. I can never
say her name, Kajicho or whatever.

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There's some people that are like Vanessa
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hypes. It's like, okay,
but I was excited, but the previews

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never got me. So I never
like told want to see it with the

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bros or friends or parents. I
just like, I'll wait. And then

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I think I saw once and it
left my mind, and I know why

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it's it's it's not good for me. I think, like the the when

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you do the two universes, and
that's why. Yeah, of course they'll

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be spoist. If you haven't seen
it, go watch it coming back.

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There's like the real timeline whatever debate
able real timeline's happening in the dance show.

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And then there's like the I don't
know Samurai action just the action place.

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I mean that all looks super ugly. And I'm not even talking about

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like oh the CGI bad. I
just think that just the design, the

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color grading and the look of it, it just looks. It looks.

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It looks like now when people throw
stuffy like, oh this is AI created

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image, that's what those sequences feel
like. They feel like AI created sequences,

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and I know it wasn't. So
it's fine because I know, like,

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hey, that's what he wanted,
and some people might like that aesthetic.

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None of that really worked for me, and I think that I'm always

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down for Hey, you have a
movie and we're using and the movie has

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a good message and it has a
good vibe as far as like it's about

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these women they're being oppressed or being
taken advantage. I think what he's going

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for. It's like the same thing
people talk about like, oh, they're

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always dressed scanily clad. It's like, well, I get why they did

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that because it is the men's view, and that's the point, because the

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men are forced that on them,
Like I understand certain things. I think

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that's where happens with Sneinern sometimes that
he has great, high level ideas and

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sometimes the execution is not there.
I think that happens with BVS with Man

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of Steel. I hope that doesn't
happen with Rebel Moon. So that thing

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where sometimes he misses that where something
like Watchman or three hundred, I think

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he nails it. So I think
this is a time where he has some

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great concepts but there's a big miss. But what I was saying is I

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like the idea of Kay, there's
the real world stuff and they're using this

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cool, altimate world to work out
these issues instead of showing the actual dance

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or the characters talking. It's like
through action and cool samurai and fighting.

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But the problem is if you don't
like any of that, I'm not invested.

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So anytime we flip to that world, I was not enjoining this action

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stuff. So and that's like a
lot of the movie. It's a bulk.

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I wanted to get back to the
girls and the rule war. I

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was enjoying that. I actually wish
the whole movie was just that, because

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I like the cast, I like
things going on. I think Oscar is

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it gets great as this piece of
shit character. So I was way more

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invested in this imagination world where they
share some fever dream or maybe there is

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something really going on. Whatever you
feel about, I don't care about it

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because I don't enjoy much of what's
going on. And that's what's tough.

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You have to nail. If you're
gonna do the imaginary friend, the dream

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scenario, whatever it is, you
gotta nail that. And for me,

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it doesn't, even though I think
it's probably it's a it's a tasting and

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yeah, this is not my taste. And there's there's some bright spots,

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but even the first five minutes of
this movie, I'm like, who if

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I remember why I don't like this, Like the there's weird montages, there's

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classic Snyder SloMo where it just doesn't
always work for me when I'm not enjoying

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it. See, I do not
enjoy this movie and I will never ever

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watch as I know. This is
another one though Again this is one that

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like the whole third act was changed
because him in the studio didn't agree and

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yet to da da da, I
know they're trying to release the Snyder punch.

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So no, no, maybe one
day I'd give that a shot.

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But like I which is funny this
guy is. I think it's a good

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thing he's at Netflix because Netflix is
gonna let him do whatever he wants.

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I think that's a good thing as
we've seen. No, yeah, I

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think it is a good thing because
like as clearly the way he likes to

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make movies is not good in the
studio way as far as they always but

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had. It's the whole third act
is like completely changed apparently. And there's

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other trivia stuff I have that was
like the students, you gotta cut this,

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gotta cut this. So maybe there
is a great movie because I said

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about Justice league, and when I
saw the snary coming, Okay, you

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know what, this was actually great
and I see where he was going with

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it. So yeah, this whatever, this version of the movie is,

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though not good and there's not too
much bright spots I have for but it's

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not also like an all time bad
thing like a how are the Duck or

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something. It's just kind of like
a a whimper. So that's where I

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am. Kirklam Patzer. Where is
your first time? Yeah? This chat?

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This was my first time. Actually, no chat. I didn't know

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all that. Okay, yeah this
was I never I feel like I had

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heard the like sucker Punch, but
like maybe I just assumed that was the

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studio or maybe a different type of
movie, Like I like I had heard

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this in the wind blowing somewhere,
but yeah, never seen a trailer for

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it. Never like really knew nothing
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obviously the Patreon picks. So going
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ride? What a ride? This
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just say it, I really didn't
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I won't ever revisit it. However, I feel like there is some

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really interesting things in here, not
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just like execution wise, like this
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there's a lot of like just randomness
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like you can't even really explain how
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I never would have thought that she'd
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things in like a fucking schoolgirl outfit
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sword. That is so anime in
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action. So I feel like I
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with like the amount of stuff like
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here. I was just I didn't
know what we were gonna get next for

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these action sequences. So I think
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tip my hat on just again like
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so it they look so bad,
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think a big portion of it might
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if I did see this as a
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just for the females on screen,
but pretty much just like not having an

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eye for comparing it to like modern
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have looked a lot better. Because
like there's certain action movies that I think

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of in a highlight of just when
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when I rewatch them now, it's
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watch them. The CGI is so
awful, just really take you out of

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it. And unfortunately that kind of
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action sequences. And there's a lot
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lot of different uh like portally into
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Like it's so obvious that it's just
a green screen. So that really took

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me out of it. There is
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I think it's like around two hours
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lot of lull moments at least for
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aspect of it. I I already
mentioned that I Yeah, I'm applying it

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for just the the anime style of
it that it's just so strange when she

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starts to do this little dance thing
all of a sudden, it's just we're

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in a completely different world. Like
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it was just so weird and it
was keep me engaged enough there. Yeah,

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Travis's you already mentioned like just the
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the bigger message I think of,
like what these girls are kind of struggling

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with and just oppressing them, but
like them able to find just some strength

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in each other. Like I did
like that storyline of it. I really

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like seeing Oscar Isaac just being a
total piece of shit. I'd never Yeah,

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I didn't know obviously about this movie, let alone the characters that are

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in it. And man there are
characters in this like John Hamm. I

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was so shocked to see him in
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okay, like what else did she
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her being in this, but yeah, just some of the like the doctor

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character as well. It was kind
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So I was very just shocked,
I think for multiple reasons while watching this

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movie, and the I think the
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me engaged enough. So I think
there was enough in here that made me

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want to get through the movie.
But unfortunately it's just I don't know that

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I've seen it, there's nothing really
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Yeah, the datedness of the action
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get to get through. For like, when did this even come out.

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honestly, Like tire Man one,
Yeah, it's such a dark knight

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and stuff like. But it's strange
because that's always something that people talk about

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with like Snyder and his team that
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aren't an issue, right, Like
you look a mass Steel bvs like even

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Watch when when you go back there, it's like that's a big thing for

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him, is the visuals are always
crisp. You always go story might be.

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some of that world is there's a

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little a little iffiness going on with
some of the visuals happening because there's just

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so much of it, like it's
just good. It feels like it feels

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a bad Volume two at times when
we talk about that on Disney Plus and

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stuff, and it's like, oh, this is clearly not a step.

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It's just like a stage behind them, and that has that a lot here.

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Yeah, So I think the last
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character, Baby Doll I think that
was her name. Uh, she was

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just kind of she was kind of
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like she doesn't have a lot of
like powerful dialogue. She she definitely is

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like a tragic character that's gone through
a lot, and I think it works

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in those action sequences when she's just
not saying anything, like she's just she

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is this Like it very much seems
like an anime of just this like badass

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schoolgirl type outfit character with like all
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of her like just I don't know,

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trying to rally the troops and like
be the general amongst the other girls of

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like leading them on these missions,
she just didn't really have a lot of

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charisma. For me, I'd never
really heard of this actress or seen her

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in anything else. She was in
the Series of Unfortunate Events. She was

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in that back in the day,
that movie she was the main kid.

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Really okay, like the one with
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Interesting. So I've seen her in
two projects. I like that other

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one a lot more than her appearance
here. But yeah, so, I

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mean, I'm excited to unpack it
at least talk to you guys about this

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movie. But yeah, I'll leave
my thought. Yeah, I think I'm

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very close to Kirklin on this,
and I guess therefore also Travis, I'm

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very conflicted on this movie because I
I like what you said, Kirklin of

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like, yeah, like not a
good movie, but like, man,

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it's trying stuff. It's like ambitious, it's going for something. Most of

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the time, I don't really know
what it's going for because it's it's split

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between like super dark and serious.
Like the subject matter is really dark.

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The visuals, as you mentioned,
like I think, Travis, like for

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all those action sequences, like the
color grading is what you mentioned of,

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like, yeah, the color palets
of these things are just awful. It

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just looks terrible and boring and bland. So all of it's like very serious.

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But then the rest of the movie
is so melodramatic, like the music,

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the slow mos, like the cheesy
overacting at times, even like in

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the opening sequence when she's like in
the back of the car and the water

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on, like the wind on the
window like turn like makes the letters sucker

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punch, Like this is so such
a melodramatic movie, So that like really

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goes opposite of like the rest of
this serious tone, and I think it

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just ends up being really messy because
of that and really inconsistent, and it

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just feels like two or three movies
jammed in one. And you know,

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when I was watching this and I
just felt like the vibe I'm getting from

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this movie is that Zack Snyder wanted
to do these cool action sequences. He

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wanted to do like a World War
two thing. He wanted to do like

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some dragon and like some undead armies, all these things, and then he

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like the that was the genesis of
the idea, and then it became,

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Okay, how do I create a
story that brings all these together? And

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I tried to look up a bunch
of interviews on this because like that's one

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of those things like this movie was
really interesting and weird, and it made

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me want to go afterwards and look
up more and learn more about it,

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which not a lot of bad movies
do. So at least it has something

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going for it. And it seems
like that's probably what happened to some extent

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where he was like, Okay,
how do I make this make sense?

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I just want to make all these
cool action sequences, and I think that

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part of it like doesn't work for
me at all. I think that was

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a quite big failure. And those
action secreences take too long this movie,

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Like, yeah, let's let's shave
thirty minutes off this. I think it

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would have been way better for it. So yeah, I I definitely have

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quite a few things to say about
this one, but overall think it's pretty

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weak, and I think comparing it
to other Snyder stuff, I'm definitely not

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a not a Snyder boy. I
haven't seen Watchmen or three Hundred, which

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are probably considered his his best movies. I would imagine A Man of Steel

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has been so long. I don't
even really want to throw criticism at I

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just like it was boring, but
like I watched it so long ago,

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and but then like I loved Army
of the Dead, and I think is

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that what it's called dead? Yeah? Yeah, mixed up with evil evil

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evil dead, Army of dark Hair. Yeah. All the thing. I

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love that movie. I think that
the best part about for me is just

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like the cast of characters is fantastic, that all have like good personalities or

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good gimmicks to them, and they
work really well alongside each other. But

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to me, that's where like this
movie is the weakest, where the whole

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cast of like these five women are
all so boring and have such little personality.

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Like, as you mentioned, Kirkle, the protagonist here is so bland

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and uninteresting, Like she doesn't even
have a word in this movie until like

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a half an hour in. I
was tracking the I'm like, is this

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is gonna be a silent protagonist movie
the whole way through? So I made

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note of him, Like, man, it's like we're twenty five minutes in,

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she's like has said her first word
here. That's kind of crazy.

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So she just doesn't have much going
on, and I feel like there's you

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know, obviously a lot to be
dug into there on the emotional side of

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what's going on for her, but
I feel like we don't really get that.

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the team are all the only kind
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and so if she's weak, then
they all end up being weak, like

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Vanessa Hudgens and Jamie Chung. I
think her name is those nothing. There's

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nothing going on for those characters.
They have not a single meat of meat

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or potatoes, nothing on that plate. And then the other two characters are

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just like, Okay, one of
them is gonna be the one that is

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like hard to you know, she
has puts a wall up. It's hard

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for her the character to get through, and she's gonna be like kind of

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the hardball character. And then the
other one's like the complete opposite, where

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she's like, oh, that's like
the foot in the door, the very

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friendly presence, and that's like it. That's their entire character arc. So

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when big emotional things happen to these
characters or for these characters at the end,

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I just don't care at all about
any of it. So yeah,

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I think this is a very weak
movie overall for me, But it's got

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someone about it that's interesting, so
there's still some value to be had here.

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It's just yeah, as you guys, mentioned that I'll never watch this

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again. I don't not a fan. Yeah yeah, and that's where I

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just got to start a go pull
pats her. But you know, start

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from the beginning. The opening in
this movie is so bizarre, this weird,

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like we have multiple covers, which
I learned I had in the trivia

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that Emily Browning sang three of them. Sweet Dreams is what was opening was

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asleep and then wears my mind.
So you're getting these lots of popular songs

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getting covered in here, and she's
singing them or featured in them. But

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just this weird like quick montage if
they lose their mom and then okay,

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this they have all the money,
but this guy still take care of him

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and he's abusive and her sister falls
out a window and baby Doll goes to

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shoot him a few times with Missus
and it's just like it's like it's a

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very I don't know why. It's
a very simple origin, but for some

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reason they make it not palatable in
a way, like it's just the way

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they present it. I don't care. I don't care for this, like

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grungy sort of music video, whatever
route they try, and Snyder does that

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a lot that was the beginning of
Watchman too, like you told, but

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that is like the beginning of watch
and the opening credits is hails on the

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Grays opening creds all time, And
this is for me. It's just like

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I don't know, I don't I
don't like any any of it. It

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just he's still even some sense doesn't
even make sense. Now. Of course

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we're in a world where girls were
being kidnapped forced to dance. It's like,

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okay, we're in like a comic
book world where there's you know,

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things happening that don't happen in our
world. But yeah, Tail, you

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had your hand up there. Well
did the sister fall out a window?

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I thought she the like what's her
name, like baby doll or whatever,

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she was climbing out the window.
But then I thought she shot her sister

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with a stray bullet, trying to
shoot her stepfather. Yeah, but even

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the way it's like I think you're
right with like the position of where the

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gun in the bullet is to where
she it's just like that doesn't align.

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It's over complicated. For like,
I almost don't think I feel like you

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just cut that. And because the
whole characters are always asking baby Doll,

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like, oh, what's your story? And she doesn't give it for a

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while, and I don't actually think
she ever gives it to those girls,

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and I remember to do she ever
have a moment where she says, like,

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this happened to my dad. So
it's just like I would rather them

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not doing the mystery or you reveal
later on. But the opening on this

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film, it's it's it's odd s. Yeah, I did not right away.

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I was reminded of right, I
don't like this style. And that's

407
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,160
where a lot of this movie feels
like it's like portions are just music video

408
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,920
movie making, and I don't like
that. I don't need like I think

409
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,359
it can work, but here wasn't
working for me. But yeah, the

410
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,359
opening, Yeah, so I guess
what she's I don't know. They deem

411
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,279
her insane. So she goes to
asylum and the guy gets like all the

412
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,680
money I guess, But that didn't
seem like that was in the will.

413
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,720
It just seemed like went strictly to
the two daughters. So well, yeah,

414
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,000
it was going to the daughters,
but the dad wanted to get it,

415
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
so he's going to kill the two
daughters. Drunkenly, but then that

416
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,839
backfires because he kind of sobers up
when she pulls a gun on him.

417
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,440
And even if he kills her,
I don't think she would he would get

418
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:33,480
the stuff. That's extremely He's not
panning out. But that's the weird thing,

419
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,880
because yeah, he his plan is
to pay Oscar Isaacs, because Oscar

420
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,839
Isaacs is leading his own kind of
thing here under the table where they forged

421
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,440
signatures and very very very very bad. But no matter what, I feel

422
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,759
like the dad would have got caught
and it would have trickled down to Oscar

423
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:55,480
Isaac's character. Didn't he pay Oscar
Isaac? Like two grand too? And

424
00:26:55,519 --> 00:27:00,160
then it was two grand? Like
really that much money? Like that's can

425
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,119
jump change used Honda Civic for that? Like it was odd? I mean,

426
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,480
like you got the money, Yeah
it's two grand. Now you said

427
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,880
fourteen hundred over the phone. It's
like okay. And again, this is

428
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,440
a different world, right, so
I'm sure that maybe the dad would have

429
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,799
killed them, maybe not got caught, right, because maybe they're just trying

430
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:21,079
to women in general in this world, but they're trying to make the real

431
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,119
life alguare I get that? I
just it's done in a very messy way.

432
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,200
So but I was very confused by
the opening as well. I feel

433
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,279
like, like, really I was
just like, what is going on here?

434
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,400
And then we get to the hospital, It's like, okay, this

435
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,839
is kind of like the setting I
guess of the movie. And then obviously

436
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,559
as soon as like the lobotomy is
starting to to transpire, we just get

437
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,240
taken to another thing. I had
to like rewind the movie. I'm like

438
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,720
that, I like fast forward,
like what is going on here? I

439
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,960
was very confused, and then once
I realized that this is just kind of

440
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,200
what's happening, it kind of like
kind of piqued my interest a little bit,

441
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,440
you know, because this is like, like what are weing? This

442
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,680
is like Alice in Wonderland sort of
situation. And then fast forward a little

443
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,880
bit further when we get to uh, when she meets like the Nobleman or

444
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,079
whatever that that suits her up with
the weapons. I was I feel like

445
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,640
the movie kept losing me and then
like kind of like bringing me back in

446
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,839
and then and then like kind of
losing me a little bit and then bring

447
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,640
me back in. So it's an
interesting ride all around. Mm hmm.

448
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,119
Where do we want to go what
do we where's the point do we want

449
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,200
to go in? Or you want
to focus on a character talk about the

450
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:32,799
action World War I'm curious the different
weird alternative sequences. Which one was your

451
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,640
guys's favorites. You got the World
War two zombies, you got the medieval

452
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,720
dragons, and you had like the
futuristic train tech robots. I think there

453
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,160
was there one more. You got
like the musical number. I guess,

454
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200
just like the Yeah, which musical
number? I think there was one more.

455
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,440
And I can't remember what you talking
about like this, like when she

456
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,839
first gets there right with the samurai
or did your yes samurai? Yeah,

457
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,880
thank you. I feel like for
me it is the World War two one,

458
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,960
just with like the Nazi zombies or
whatever they were. That was just

459
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,680
I don't know. I think the
CGI wasn't great in it, but it

460
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,799
like it was interesting enough. It
was very gray, and I feel like

461
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,039
it fit like that World War two
setting, at least with all the Zeppelins

462
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,960
in the air and when she just
duels like her undead stepfather in the in

463
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,000
the whatever that was that that was
kind of interesting for me. I like

464
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,480
overall though, like they all kind
of looked really bad, but that one,

465
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:27,759
I think it might have just been
like the gray palette that that kind

466
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,920
of saved it a little bit for
me. It wasn't as bad as some

467
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,559
of the other ones, like whenever
they have like really bad CGI that's like

468
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,359
bright. I feel like it's a
lot more noticeable as opposed to the darker

469
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,359
ones. So that would probably be
my pick. I mean, I'm partial

470
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,480
to like fantasy stuff, so I
think I like the medieval castle setting the

471
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,079
most bad to pick one. But
even then, like I think maybe the

472
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,400
samurai fight just because it's like the
most is synct and I feel like story

473
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,640
wise it kind of makes the most
sense. It's like this this kind of

474
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,400
brief setup where the rest of them, like, I know, there's this

475
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:02,799
idea, right that you go to
the samurai section and then he establishes like

476
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:03,559
this goal. You have to get
the map, you have to get the

477
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,640
fire, you have to get something
else the key. Yeah, and then

478
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,680
there's the surprise at the end,
and I feel like for a bit I

479
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,720
was like, Okay, this is
interesting, like this medieval castle, Like

480
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,960
there's this dragon breathing fire and that's
where they get the fire from, Like

481
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:19,880
Okay, that's kind of cool thematically, but like none of the other ones

482
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:23,519
really did that. Like I guess
there's like they're saying like the trenches are

483
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,799
very a maze, like because that
makes sense for the map of this place.

484
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,880
But then like the Robot future bomb, when I'm like, okay,

485
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,680
so this one's fire again, like
I'm losing the plot on what they were

486
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,519
kind of trying to go for there, I'll call Bot. I don't have

487
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,240
a favorite. They're all the same
in my mind, Like I don't.

488
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,319
There's things I like and dislike about
them both, like they'll make good points

489
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,279
about the Samurai fight, but the
actual fighting I don't like. It's like

490
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,359
the CGI or it's a slow mo
Snyder, I don't like where everything is

491
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,640
and it's just it's not and then
fast mo and like going back and forth,

492
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,240
really really weird choice. It makes
it feel it's not like coordinated,

493
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,039
well, like it's not like an
entertaining fight to watch, Like the Zombie

494
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,480
Ones is good, but I feel
like that even goes on too long.

495
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,119
The train has some stuff, but
that's when that big mech is really popping

496
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,319
off, and I don't know,
that's when some of the CGI is men

497
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,039
like I like some of stuff.
They're falling from the sky and everything,

498
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,240
so like they're all like a very
fifty fifty because I guess I didn't really

499
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,920
enjoy any of that stuff. So
for me, it was like I was

500
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,160
always like, Okay, let's let's
get out of here and shore in these

501
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,720
sequences and I get the pitch and
maybe that's the idea is like Okay,

502
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,640
well we can tell this more deeper
story. But we got some cool action

503
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,200
here. But again I just wasn't
jiving when most of it, And it's

504
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,680
probably based off the look again,
but even the choreography there wasn't too much

505
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,039
Like even when they're in the trenches
fighting, it was just like a lot

506
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:45,319
of shooting and like like yeah,
and it really felt like those like fantasy

507
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,799
sequences. It felt like it was
just a step down from like the Matrix,

508
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,440
where the Matrix they take it to
this like program where anything can kind

509
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,599
of happen and there is these like
wild things going on, but there's like

510
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,839
phenomenal fight choreography of like you kind
of throw avity, you know, you

511
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,440
kind of forget about that, but
it works because this is a program,

512
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,400
whereas here it is very anime style
in the sense they have like no armor

513
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,559
and like Samurai swords, but they're
kicking ass, but it's just kind of

514
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,920
unimpressive, and the things that they're
they're combating didn't look great, so it

515
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,160
was just kind of like a mess
on screen. But it very much felt

516
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,119
like that, like the Matrix comparison, especially with like the first Samurai one,

517
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,039
when like the undead giant Samurai Think
just kicks her like through the wall.

518
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,599
I just pictured like Neo go and
flying through the building there but noticeable

519
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:36,880
step down. Several members of cast
and crew semi humorously describe this movie as

520
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
one flew over the Matrix. So
there you go, so oh, there

521
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,559
you go, Like it was known
on set that what they're like this,

522
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,400
So this is a lot like That's
what Snyder wrote down. He's like,

523
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,559
think this speaking of like the theme
of each place being tied to like the

524
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,079
goal that they were achieving at that
time. I thought it would have made

525
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,640
a lot more sense, and maybe
for the scale it wouldn't have, but

526
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,000
I think that the scale would have
been more sense we had the Samurai one

527
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,839
in place of that Robot Future one, because the goal of that sequence is

528
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,079
they're trying to get the knife right
from the from the the chef in the

529
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,839
kitchen, and so that would have
made sense. You're fighting like some samurais

530
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,920
that have like their swords and whatnot, would have made sense kind of like

531
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,119
the dragon and the fire. So
I feel like even swing switching, that

532
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,920
would have made more sense once gain. Maybe the scale of it is why

533
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,480
they did it the opposite way,
because that seems like a nice appetizer one

534
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,440
compared to like these literal armies.
And like also I thought that was funny.

535
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,839
Though there's like an army of the
dead in this, which is like

536
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720
the later movie that he makes.
Obviously he's revisiting. It's almost like a

537
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,519
bit of a best of even though
this is like before some of those other

538
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,880
things came out. But clearly he
just likes making undead people and want wants

539
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,359
action sequences with them, and he'll
find any story reason to get there.

540
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,640
When he's making these movies. It's
funny, don't you guys. I don't

541
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,079
know how much you remember BVS,
but I feel like with BVS and just

542
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,039
like you know, like the like
Nightmare World where it's that like Orange and

543
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,359
Tanny with Batman has the trench coat
and everything like that. Like I feel

544
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,079
like that's like the version of it
done well, like whatever this world was,

545
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,920
and that's where it's a combo.
If there's CGI and there's realism there,

546
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,800
and I wish this world was more
like that. So again, just

547
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,360
as some stuff looking similar to his
other works, I feel like this looks

548
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,360
like the nightmare world that Superman eventually
takes over an apocalypse, so it's like,

549
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,599
uh, some of a second,
I think he does it better later

550
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,639
on, and I would argue he
does the Army of the Dead stuff better

551
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,840
later on as well, so maybe
he's working through some of these ideas.

552
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,559
I'm not sure what's gonna pop up
and Rebel Moon from this movie. Maybe

553
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,639
the Samurai portions, because there's a
lot of people with like they have I

554
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,280
think their their lightsabers or like fire
swords or something like that, Like they're

555
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,719
like magma swords or something, So
maybe you'll get some sort of Samurai stuff

556
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:44,079
there. But uh, speaking of
that, the one with like the knife

557
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,599
sequence when they're when they're fighting the
chef. I did like how they incorporated

558
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:53,280
I think like like the fantasy world
element of like some sort of sacrifice and

559
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,639
then that leads to like the rocket
getting stabbed like that was kind of fun

560
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,280
of like having what's actually happening and
that just really over the top sci fi

561
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,440
sense because like she what does she
even do? She like throws them off

562
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,559
of the the the train, right, yeah, yeah, that's right,

563
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:14,880
and then that's what saves them where
she kind of makes the sacrifice to get

564
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,960
stabbed by by the chef. So
like that sort of like uh, just

565
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,320
I don't know, like staying yeah, thank you, Yeah, that was

566
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,039
that was cool usage there, although
I didn't love like visually what was happening

567
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,880
on screen, again, like I
did appreciate the attempt of the execution,

568
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,920
and I think that's just like the
theme throughout the entire movie. For me,

569
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,360
it's just like I want to give
them more because I do appreciate like

570
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,280
the wildness of the decisions. It's
just you know, you can't just praise

571
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,519
them if the execution was was lacking. So what do you guys take that

572
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:51,280
as? Then? Do you take
that as the action stuff is just like

573
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,199
a fever dream as something they're going
through like a full at do as Joker

574
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,400
two coming out? Or is this
like an actual stuff that's happening and it's

575
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,039
like reflect dan the world, like
how do you what do you look upon

576
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,920
the action other than I feel it's
just like a movie, like Okay,

577
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,159
we can do these cool action stuff
like actually in the movie. Because I

578
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,599
feel like my issue with it is
it works both ways, and that makes

579
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,480
it not work both ways for me. I wish it was more committed to

580
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:16,639
one. I know, something'd be
like oh, that's the fun, you

581
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:21,039
know, because it's choose your own
adventure. But I think I rather just

582
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,599
Okay, this is not all real
or this is like this is actually happening,

583
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,039
and it's like you said, like
the Matrix where the matrix isn't real

584
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,880
but it's still real, right,
like you can die in the matrix.

585
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,760
So I don't think the movie makes
it clear enough, but I wasn't sure

586
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,559
if you guys had like a what
way you looked upon the action world?

587
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,960
For me, that's one of those
things that like fits in with the melodrama

588
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,480
where I just think she is just
doing a dance and it's like a really

589
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,480
cool dance. And the melodramatic part
is like how people are reacting to it,

590
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,320
like Oscar Isaac, who's like this
evil guy is like, oh my

591
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,400
God, it's such a beautiful crime. It's changing my like emotional my heart.

592
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,719
My heart grew three sizes that day. All this stuff is like so

593
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,679
over exaggerated for this person just doing
this dance, and like, of course

594
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,719
we never really see the dance.
We have to imagine when she's flipping doing

595
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,760
a jump over Samurai, that she's
doing a jump in real life. So

596
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,360
to me, like, I guess
my canon for this movie, but then

597
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,320
like the ending kind of throws all
all of my my canon out the window.

598
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,039
Is that like I I don't think
she ever was in a mental asylum.

599
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,039
I think she just was sent to
like a brothel, uh, and

600
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:31,039
she was envisioning that as like the
as as a mental asylum is essentially like

601
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:35,719
as a prison. And then all
those sequences are just in her head and

602
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,079
only her head, which that was
where I got a bit confused too,

603
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,400
because there's all like the movie is
kind of setting up like, oh,

604
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,519
this lobotomy is gonna happen in four
or five days, so that's kind of

605
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:46,159
the impetus for why she needs to
get out of here so quick. But

606
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:50,960
like, so, however, these
other characters also got lobotomies, And is

607
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,320
that why they are the way like
they seem normal all things considered. So

608
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,360
is she the only one that a
lobotomy? Is that like a why why

609
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,079
would be? Why would she be
the only one to get one? I

610
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:07,440
took it like she was the only
one that got lobottomized, because like it's

611
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,039
it's not really like a strong reasoning, but I just took it as like

612
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,599
that is why the stepfather paid Oscar
Isaac was was to do that. But

613
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,440
like because of the characters really like
just kind of their behavior, it doesn't

614
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,360
seem like they're lobotomized kind of what
you were touched upon, But they also

615
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,400
don't clearly say one way or the
other. So that's just the way that

616
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:30,000
I like, either hear what happened, No exactly, but like it is

617
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,719
an option obviously that Oscar Isaac and
crew are offering these sleazy individuals. Yeah,

618
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,079
it's one of the bones bonuses you
can pay for. But I don't

619
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,079
know how else did you guys take
it. It's hard, it's hard to

620
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,039
tell who's been put here by by
who, obviously because we're lacking backstories with

621
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,760
their characters. We're a sweet sweet
pea and her sister. It sounds like

622
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,079
like go when you see mom,
like like like tell her I love her

623
00:38:54,159 --> 00:39:00,360
whatever they rocket was saying. So
it makes the implication that their family didn't

624
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,360
put them in there, how were
they putting it? They did, And

625
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,440
that's where it's tough with like we
we're talk about at the beginning with the

626
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,480
dad and the earnings. Maybe in
this world because he's a man, if

627
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,679
he just just killed them, he
gave them money. So clearly I think

628
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,280
they're trying to make it away where
women are you know, brought in their

629
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,679
abuse and stuff. Again, there's
a pair of those our world, but

630
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,440
even higher sense in this world where
yeah, they just found these two women

631
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,000
not living with their family, so
that gives them the right just to like

632
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,039
incorporate them into this because yeah,
they just chose to run away, So

633
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,719
that doesn't make how did they get
there? But I think it's just kind

634
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,880
of like almost like a sex trafficking
thing sort away like don't so it's like

635
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,320
it's just a brothel that they took
advantage of it. So nothing legal is

636
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,039
happening there. But so where do
you guys think the the insane asylum part

637
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:50,360
falls into it? Then? Like
is that is that existent? Whatsoever is

638
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,519
the lobotomy because that kind of fits
like aesthetically the theme, like that section

639
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,079
with the loboto. I guess that
could just be like some hidden room in

640
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:02,039
this big brothel place, or like
maybe that place is like using mental asylum

641
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,000
as like they're covering on the outside, so it could be, Yeah,

642
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,840
I don't know where the Yeah,
the reality, and I think that's what

643
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,760
it is. I think the mental
like the probably like health center is the

644
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,119
cover. And then they use some
of these people for dance or whatever.

645
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,360
Probably other people that aren't like the
attractive young females, they might be using

646
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,559
them for other means. And then
so I could see it being like a

647
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:25,079
building adjacent or even a similar floor, because it doesn't seem like they take

648
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,239
that much time to get from to
and from. So yeah, I think

649
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:35,440
it's in the same vicinity. And
then it's just a kind of and and

650
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,880
I guess they're still running in asylum, right, so I guess they're still

651
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,360
making money off the government that way
too. As far as you guys are

652
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:45,280
saying it's it's all one, it's
not a dream sequence, because I'm pretty

653
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:52,320
sure that the club scene that's all
a dream hallucination sequence, what's real?

654
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,599
Yeah, see, I'm adilan that
you could argue that it's not because it's

655
00:40:55,679 --> 00:41:00,599
tough because he I know Oscar Isaac
has that mustache, but could just easily

656
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,000
be like a Gomez put on mustache
with you. But even the lighting is

657
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,760
different, and I feel like that's
yeah, but describe it as being a

658
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,000
different piece, like in her mind
it could be. It could just be

659
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,440
different locations, right, Like that's
what people use that for lighting as well

660
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:20,039
too, So I like it it's
tough, like and I I would I'd

661
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,400
knock it down points if it's if
it is all one location, that would

662
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,519
be I would not be great,
see, and I would knock it down

663
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,960
points if it's that way. I
don't want it to be all a dream

664
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,599
because then it's just this lady sit
there, me and these people. But

665
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:34,159
like there's a point to that because
the way Oscar Isaac is looking pretty to

666
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,320
shovel at the end. But even
then, like he has the stab wound,

667
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,960
So but then how could the how
can the cops come in? Can

668
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,599
you your theory? Well, my
well, my theory is that it was

669
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,559
a hallucination of My theory is that
like it's all the doctor. Like in

670
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:52,480
this world where the doctor has no
say as a dancer and she's just she's

671
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,400
owned by Oscar Isaac's that's that.
But in this world, in the real

672
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,199
world, she actually has pull.
She got the cops in there, and

673
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,960
she made her reports like yeah,
this is bullsh shit, like we're dealing

674
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,280
with this, this is horrible,
and that's the actual, real, real

675
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,079
result of what happened there. But
then what so what happens in the movie

676
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,119
then, like none of it happens
like you think, like she gets to

677
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,920
the asylum. The timing of things, the time of thing is the things

678
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,639
is weird because she gets to the
asylum, she talks to the doctor,

679
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,639
has some some moments there. But
then where this escape takes place, of

680
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:28,719
gathering these items and her getting the
lobotomy, I could not tell you.

681
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,800
And that's probably just the poor time
of the film because when she is in

682
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,159
the chair getting the lobotomy the needle, then that's when everything happens. But

683
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,119
as she's being walked out, you
see where the fire was, you see

684
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,760
where certain events had taken place of
their planned escape. But then I don't

685
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,440
I don't understand where that fits between
the lobotomy happening. I I feel like

686
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,960
I'm kind of more on Taylor's path
on this one, because I really took

687
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,760
it like the whole brothel stuff,
purely because where they are in the like

688
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,480
the hospital sequence, it's very like
sow lighting. It's very like gross and

689
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,280
creepy. And then and then as
soon as he's about to or she's about

690
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,280
to get the lobotomy, it goes
to this, like again, it's a

691
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,639
terrible place it is. It is
like a brothel, but it is still

692
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,400
like brighter and like seems I don't
even want to stay happy because it is

693
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,719
such an evil place as well,
but it just seems more fantastical than what

694
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,599
the hospital is. So I actually
took it like the whole thing was the

695
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:28,639
hospital, and then all of these
events like oscarys are getting stabbed. It

696
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,719
kind of happened a similar fashion other
than obviously all the dancing sequences, but

697
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,519
like she still stabbed him at some
point, but maybe it was just I

698
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,920
don't know, in the hospital type
room. But they don't clearly say one

699
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,400
way or the other, and that's
what's kind of fun about it, I

700
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,199
guess. But but then what doesn't
line up is then why in those sequences

701
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:52,639
would oscaries like if any power over
the doctor at any point, Well,

702
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,599
in the in the asylum, I
think it wasn't power over her. Nobody

703
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,800
in the dream sequences. Right,
if we're saying, hey, oh the

704
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,719
far happening here in the escape here, you can say, okay, real

705
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,480
world, dream world, then you
match everything up. But in the dream

706
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,559
world the whole time Oscar Isaac was
over, that doctor had power saying like,

707
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:08,960
oh they might be your dancers,
but I own you. But then

708
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,800
if we go to the real world, then the doctor has control of ross

709
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,800
g Isaac. It doesn't make sense. Well, I think I was just

710
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,960
gonna say, I more so of
like he's able to do certain things where

711
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,119
just by like being in his position, like he can get access to these

712
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:30,119
girls without the doctor really being able
to stop him. Not just so because

713
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,480
he has the authority, but because
she has no idea that like she can't

714
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:37,360
micromanage everything that's going on, so
then he can do these sleazy things around

715
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:43,000
her back. And then that sequence
I took it more so like he like

716
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,480
he's cocky in the sense of like
I can do whatever I want and you

717
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,440
can't stop me. Not so much
because I own you, but because I

718
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,559
like I can just get away with
it. And again maybe I'm stretching there,

719
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,079
So I don't know if you guys
are super strong or against me either.

720
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Well to I'd like the confusion part
for me is like I had this

721
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,039
theory the whole time, but then
I I truly feel like that scene at

722
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,519
the end kind of throws everything up
in the air. It's where I don't

723
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,360
really feel convinced on anything, but
like if if I'm not understanding the movie

724
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,039
at all, I kind of have
to go with my theory because like otherwise

725
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,760
I don't really get any of it
at all. Yeah, that's kind of

726
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,639
where I'm at. Yeah, it's
tough with those right because I feel like

727
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,039
there I don't think they're doing the
fight club route where it's okay, everything

728
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,000
at the end makes complete, mostly
complete sense they're trying to do. I

729
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,599
think like they leave it up for
interpretation, but I just feel like when

730
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:31,960
you do that, you gotta watch
how many holes, like how many paths

731
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,480
you give? And I think this
movie gives too many paths for being too

732
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,719
many, Like, Okay, this
thing happens here, but then in since

733
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,800
this doesn't make sense, here because
I still have problems with the oscar as

734
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,880
a good doctor thing, because there's
just times where it's just like he's just

735
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:49,599
so owning that situation where the end
she's owning the situation. It's just like

736
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,440
it's it's a little odd, and
then you just get into stuff with the

737
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:59,119
dad and oh yeah, I don't
know. It is one of those that

738
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,960
the more for me, I pick
it apart and think about it, I

739
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:06,719
unfortunately start to like it less.
But because even then, it's just like,

740
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,280
what's everything happening with the John sequence
with the lobotomy at the John?

741
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,599
What did I call him? Did
I call John Ham? You said?

742
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,440
You said John? Okay, I
thought I called John the bottomy for a

743
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,280
second John Ham's sequence at the end, which that was one that was heavily

744
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,800
changed. But it's just like,
what's the meaning to any of that?

745
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,000
You know? It's just like because
like he's just like a the botany guy.

746
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,440
Like it's just like that's literally it. He's not. I'm assuming like

747
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,800
they are all pieces of shit,
I guess, but like I was waiting

748
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,639
for something more, there's nothing more
with him. He's just like the doctor

749
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,559
performs a lot of the bottomy.
So why she having like this sequence where

750
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,239
he may or may not be sexually
assaulting her, He may or may not

751
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,480
be a good guy. It's just
like nothing comes with that. So it's

752
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,760
just like, what's that. That's
where it's like the stuff where if you

753
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,679
want to do these things, I
don't know if you're putting them to be

754
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,920
making Oh there's more confusion here,
But then it leads to more confusion in

755
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,679
a bad way because that that whole
sequence, to me, doesn't it doesn't

756
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,039
need to be in there. Again, it was a difference, like I

757
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:01,519
I'll bring up the trivia now because
there was a difference. There's a whole

758
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:07,360
other thing in there with the John
ham thing. Let me find here because

759
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,559
let's see. Okay, So,
originally a scene between the high roller which

760
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,800
is John Hanna and baby girl where
he seduces her and makes loves to her,

761
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,119
the NPA demanded be cut down.
The scene ended up looking like he

762
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:21,039
was taking a vange of versus.
Zack Center felt that sent the wrong message

763
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:24,880
and only cut the scene all together, later featuring in its full form director's

764
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,719
cut, which I don't think really, I guess that's the one here.

765
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,400
And then Jackson and Browning have vocal
their displeasure of the situation. To me,

766
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,119
that's where that fits the theory of
this being a brothel the whole time,

767
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:42,840
and what they're setting up is that
he's not actually doctor, like doing

768
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,840
the lobotomy. That's just like the
vision that she's having from the actual reality

769
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,639
of it being this brothel where instead
of actually being a doctor and coming in,

770
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,760
he's just like, yeah, some
random guy coming in to have sex

771
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,719
with her, and they're using the
little bodomy as like taking her virginity,

772
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,760
and that that being like the parallel
that is happening in in this other world.

773
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,320
So a scene like that would maybe
reinforce that quite a bit more or

774
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,360
else, like, why would he
be doing that other than just like that

775
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,559
being some weird graphic scene that Zack
Snyer wanted to film for some reason.

776
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,320
Yeah, And I just always don't
like the scene because I know, like,

777
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,159
and I get that's what he said
right where, like because that was

778
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,719
the scene. So I think because
you guys had that scene right where it's

779
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,079
John Hamm and he's like has the
eye makeup and they're like talking and everything

780
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,800
like that. Mm hmm. Yeah, So I don't think that's actually in

781
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,280
the original movie. I think the
only cut that's out there now is like

782
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,960
this extended one and there's still more
to it. But like when it's the

783
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,920
NBA demanded be cut down and scene
end up like he's taken advantage and Sny

784
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,440
didn't want to have that message sent. I feel like the NBA was right

785
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,440
in that situation because I feel like
I get what he's going I don't know

786
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,039
what he's going for, actually,
I get in a sense where it is

787
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:57,960
baby doll like like because it's this
guy, I think what he's trying to

788
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,639
say, that he's not wanting to
treat her like prostitute, that he actually

789
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:05,760
sees something in her, and like
it's a perfect woman's situation, where a

790
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,760
pretty woman's situation where they she's a
pros to but he would like in a

791
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,039
sense like or like Shmie Skywalker,
where he would like buy her, but

792
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,159
like that would be his wife and
they they would be an actual couple.

793
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:21,320
But at times the scene does come
off very like creepy, and I think

794
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,920
that creepy, yeah, And I
think that's the way, whether it's Ham

795
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:27,320
or how he was directed, it
doesn't come off that way. Because she

796
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,800
is saying yes to everything and it
is like all consensual, but also at

797
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,119
the same time he has bought her, so it's like lots of times people

798
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:37,880
just have to be consensual. So
it's the scene that I understand why they

799
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,159
were budding heads them in the NPA, because it's like, I agree that

800
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,880
Zach may A film like, oh, that wasn't my intention, but when

801
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,639
I watched him, like that might
not be your attention, but it didn't

802
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:50,719
play the great like how are the
scene was layered? It didn't play the

803
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,000
greatest for me because also, what
why is baby doll didn't like? I

804
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,400
guess it's her way out. I
guess it's like, great, there's this

805
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,159
nicer guy who's not gonna abuse me
and take me out of here. But

806
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,559
it's just like it's a and just
comes in so late too. It's like

807
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,159
we've seen John Hamm a couple of
times within out of nowhere. He's like

808
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,039
this character and they kind of set
him up like he's gonna be another piece

809
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:12,159
of shit guy, and I don't
know, I really didn't like that entire

810
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,840
scene honestly, because yeah, they
are leading up to this high roller being

811
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:20,360
this just this big, bad essentially
like this big I'm assuming creep that's just

812
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,559
gonna yeah, like have sex with
her for money in at the final sequence,

813
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,320
and then when we get to it, he's like he is like,

814
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,199
it is kind of a twist on
maybe what you would be expecting because it

815
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,199
is just John Ham being charismatic and
he's saying all these things. But like,

816
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,920
I feel like the entire situation goes
against kind of what he's saying,

817
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,440
because she wakes up in this bed
with these two girls that are like stripping

818
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,119
her, and then he says these
things like, yeah, I don't want

819
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,800
to force you to do it,
but like if you do it, like

820
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,079
I'll you'll be free and all these
things. It's like, if you're in

821
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,440
this situation, why would she Like
you're kind of only giving her one option,

822
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,760
right, like you ether get out
of here if you have me by

823
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,559
your choice air quotes. But it's
like that's not really what's going on.

824
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,559
So it was a very confusing scene. And also just yeah, it's like,

825
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,159
oh, this is such a nice
guy that's offering me this, but

826
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,159
like at the end of the day, like she has no other option.

827
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,840
She's between a rock and a hard
place. So I really really just did

828
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,159
not like that sequence I was expecting. I mean, I kind of I

829
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,400
didn't have high expectations, but still
I think for how the scene was opening,

830
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,880
how the dialogue was starting, I
was expecting to go somewhere else and

831
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,719
then he's like on top of her, about to get ready for action.

832
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,239
It's just, man, what are
they doing here? This is weird.

833
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,039
They make so much. Zuomin's on
the tie. I'm like, Oh,

834
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:37,719
she's gonna get that and strangle.
I'm like, she's gonna kill with That's

835
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,199
what I thought was gonna happen.
But then she's just like into it.

836
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,639
I'm like, oh, right,
and I get the idea because then I

837
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,679
think they try to transfer into like
she's like because he says that the doctor's

838
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,239
like, oh, look like she
like wanted it, so like they feel

839
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,280
like they're trying to make it seem
like she wants the lobotomy so she can

840
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,079
get out of there. But it's
just like it's just too many wrinkles.

841
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,840
There's too many layers, and not
in a good way where it's just like

842
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,440
they all start to fall apart.
They're all pages of different books, they're

843
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,159
not on the same book. Because
like that leads to the bottomy, but

844
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,000
the bottom he didn't do anything because
when they shore face, it's completely normal

845
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:13,079
and she's fine and she is like
a, I don't know, does she

846
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,679
have a power. Is it just
a real world thing? Oh? I

847
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,800
just got frustrated more talking and thinking
mm hmm. Yeah. And I feel

848
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,159
like it was also kind of for
me, it was very weak to to

849
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:30,239
for the the positive ending. Not
that every movie needs a positive any but

850
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,400
they tried to do one here with
the other character. I don't even let

851
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,519
me sweepe is sweetpe the character.
Yeah, yeah, it with sweet Pea

852
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:42,079
getting away on the bus and all
that, and it's like, I don't

853
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,639
I don't care about this character whatsoever, Like she has not had an intriguing

854
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,360
plot in any way. So to
me, that wasn't it didn't really achieve

855
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,199
its goal. And I feel like
you didn't you didn't really need that altogether,

856
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,320
especially when like two of those other
characters, Vanessa Hudgens and Jamie Chunk's

857
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,960
characters just like randomly gets shot and
die and there's like no fanfare for whatever

858
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:07,039
gets like the bigger scene with the
getting sad and whatnot, But it just

859
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480
it just doesn't work for me.
Yeah, in general, get stitches,

860
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:13,880
get stitches. Jos nuts, bitches
get stitches. They do too, you

861
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,360
know. Yeah, but he said, he says that line. I was

862
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,320
like, all right, he says
that line. I was like, Okay,

863
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,679
that was strange. But because he
kills them too, but then keeps

864
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,920
the other dancers, like these girls
were all actively trying to escape as well.

865
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Yeah, I don't know. Again, I I just would have preferred

866
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,760
them just stick with the strip,
all the what's real and what is And

867
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,000
I actually liked the idea of there's
this girl, she's putting a broth with

868
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:42,320
the other girls. They want to
escape. I think they there's moments where

869
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,199
they could have some more chemistry,
but a lot that's just action and you

870
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,599
don't get there. I like Genna
Malona's rock and I've always liked Gena Malone.

871
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:51,599
She always pops and like movies like
this and Hunger Games. She's an

872
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,960
interesting actress. I know she's playing
a gigantic spider and redible moon, so

873
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,320
we'll see how that goes. But
yeah, so yeah like it. Like

874
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,159
I like the natch building of you
know, she saves that from the cook

875
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,920
or girl from the cook, and
then they started to be like, oh,

876
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,400
we could maybe trust her, and
I like the idea of the doctor

877
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:12,480
being like she wants to like she's
she's a part of this, but only

878
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,440
a part of this to try and
make sure that girls don't get hurt or

879
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:17,320
killed, Like she's not for the
brawl, for the dancing. But it's

880
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,719
like it's the lesser of two evils, which that I believe more than baby

881
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,679
Doll, maybe being like falling in
love with John Hammond a minute being like

882
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,320
oh, yeah, like I could
love you. I do want to do

883
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,599
this. It's like, yeah,
that does That's not the right thing.

884
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,400
And when they get killed, I
love like Carla does a great acting job

885
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,039
of like, you know, portraying
that. So like there's there's there's moments.

886
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,199
All my moments are more in the
middle of that section there. The

887
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,800
cook is dumb. I don't know
why he believes these girls are gonna dance

888
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,800
from and I don't think anything to
go down, like this girl just beat

889
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,679
the shit a couple of days ago. Like I guess he's just an idiot

890
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,559
character. So there's he's even yeah, there's logic jumps even in the portions

891
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:58,239
I like. But I for the
doctor I was really wanting more. I

892
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,480
feel like we got like seventy five
percent of the way for like a great

893
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,159
arc, like a great written character, but they just kind of let it

894
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,519
go from there, because, yeah, they are setting her up that she

895
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,159
is kind of caught in the middle
amongst all this, like she is looking

896
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:14,880
out for the girls, but she
is still like she's a she's in a

897
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,800
bad situation working for these terrible individuals, but she she shows like she has

898
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,119
some heart there. But I just
think that we don't get enough moments amongst

899
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:29,320
her maybe and the girls of like
maybe saying or like maybe finding out a

900
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,400
little bit more about like what their
plot is and then helping them out in

901
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,239
that sense. She's just kind of
she's just kind of this like interesting persona

902
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,159
of a character. But I just
think we don't fully get there to make

903
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,840
her really like by the end of
it, it's just like, what,

904
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,239
like what was the effort there?
Yeah, Yeah, great great representation.

905
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,039
There definitely a half baked idea for
that character. And man, the scene

906
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,679
between her and Oscar Isaac in that
office that was such a great scene,

907
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,280
like acting wise, for both of
them. I thought Oscar Isaac like because

908
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,360
up until that point, maybe maybe
you guys knew, but for me,

909
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,039
I like I didn't really know that
he was like the main head hauncho.

910
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,960
I thought he was just kind of
a worker there, mostly because of where

911
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,360
it's set up in the hospital sequence
at the start, like it really does

912
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,840
seem like she has a higher position
than him, and up until that point

913
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,920
seems like he's always like making like
business decisions and then she does have the

914
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,280
ultimate say amongst these girls. But
like right there, he like the total

915
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,119
power like strong arm on her and
just really brought that like evil charisma,

916
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:34,400
like like he really felt like an
imposing character. I mean that's just I

917
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,880
feel like great execution from Oscar Isaac
in that sequence of really pulling that off.

918
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,760
I want to see some more like
bad guy rolls from Oscar Isaac because

919
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,519
like him and ex Makana too,
Like he's just he's so great when he

920
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:52,679
brings those moments very like charming charismatic
character as well. But I think he

921
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,840
can definitely take that switch to the
sleazy type roles, which yeah, I

922
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,199
want to see more from him,
but yeah, a little bit disot especially

923
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:05,320
like I feel like I haven't seen
Carla in too many things. But everything

924
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,840
I have seen her in she I
do like her enough. I think my

925
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,599
only one to really plump for right
now is like Spy Kids. But she

926
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,920
is really great Watchman. Remember we
reviewed that Watchman. That's right, Okay,

927
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,320
there's a big theory that if Snyder's
universe kept going that she was going

928
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,320
to be cat his Catwoman and stuff, and I feel like that her and

929
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,239
in Justice League, she did she
have a voice or something? Yeah?

930
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Okay, oh well and the other
stuff you need to watch all the Mike

931
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,599
Flannagan Netflix stuff like Hillhouse and House
of Usher, Like, she's great and

932
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:44,079
all that stuff bs same voice.
She's the ship voice for both of the

933
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,000
ship voice. Yeah, I know
it's funny that her, like Snyder and

934
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,679
Flannigan both like just keep putting her
own project. But yeah, all the

935
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:54,400
Netflix stuff she's steal as well as
a voice as well all over in a

936
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,519
voice in the DC universe. But
no, she's she's great. She's one

937
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,039
of the more underrated actresses out there. She's Gerald's game. Another good Mike

938
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:06,239
Flanning did you see did you see
that one? I did see that one.

939
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,679
Actually, she's just always She's one
of those people that like you'll never

940
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,800
like, remember, I can't fucking
pronounce her last name Classic Drafts. But

941
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,800
like, you know, when she
shows up, it's gonna be good.

942
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,800
You don't know if the movie's gonna
be good or the show's gonna be good.

943
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,760
But the Rock, well, I
haven't seen that, so I don't

944
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,800
know. I'm sure she's in.
There's ROCKEX wife or something. Definitely at

945
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,639
wife camera ifits X or not,
she's she's married. What is the other

946
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:34,559
rock movie? With the Tower is
one leg? We gotta do a double

947
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,320
feature? I think one of these
movie nights we gotta do because we keep

948
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,760
talking about San Andres and Sky like
just keep coming up with these fake movies

949
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,480
and it could be a good afternoon
and watch along. I feel like I'd

950
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:47,199
rather watch it with people than just
alone. But oh yeah, no,

951
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,119
we can't watch for that. That's
sad. But she's great. I'm sure

952
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:58,119
she's great in uh San Andres you
know. Soya random thing that I was

953
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:01,199
looking really hard to try and find
some interviews with Zack Snyer from back in

954
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:05,039
the day about this movie, and
unfortunately, like it was very hard to

955
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,800
find anything at all. And I
think the SEO is taking over because I

956
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,599
guess there's a lot of talk of
yeah, doing this new Snyder cut now,

957
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:15,199
so like even every article was like
twenty twenty three or twenty twenty two

958
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,320
and what. Yeah, But yeah, I found a couple of things.

959
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,360
And one thing that it seemed like
happened with this movie too was a change

960
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,719
from an R rating to a PG
thirteen. Uh. And I'm curious how

961
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,440
that changed. I'm curious what that
changed about about the movie, whether that

962
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:35,800
was like some of the some of
the stuff with even just like the tone

963
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,280
of like the music and maybe some
of the melodramaticness, like I wonder if

964
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,519
they really amped it up in like
Okay, let's target this to more of

965
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,440
like this is a perfect movie for
a teenage boy who just wants like haw

966
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:51,800
girl doing like crazy percent I see
from the Warner Breas like TV movie.

967
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:57,559
Yeah, and it didn't work because
the movie cost eighty two million box office

968
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,199
eighty nine million, so it was
a loss. And but the they are

969
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:04,039
definitely banking on young teen boys.
Yeah, I'm curious, like how much

970
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,079
of the other tonal stuff like changed
when they made that decision of maybe even

971
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:10,679
like some of the music changed to
something that would fit more of that audience,

972
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,079
even though, like I said,
it really fits at all. But

973
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,599
yeah, there's obviously between the sexual
stuff and the violence and whatnot, you

974
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:22,119
could easily see this changing into an
R rated movie without much changes, and

975
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:23,239
the whole ending's changed. They didn't
do that. That's one of the things

976
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:28,239
Snyder talked about this past week with
Real Moon is that they're working with Warner

977
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,960
Brothers, and one the pitch might
be even trying to get Genna Malone Emily

978
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Browning to come back and film some
new stuff for this ending, because there's

979
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,599
like a whole ending they didn't film. So that's the thing been tough about

980
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:39,840
you. I'm like, I don't
know. It's one of those things where

981
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,199
like I don't want to say that
he's just talking out of his ass and

982
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:47,880
like he's just bullshitting because obviously he
like kind of did this with Snyder cut

983
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,440
where he came back and like it's
actually good, and I don't want to

984
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,719
say that that was the case here. But I just find like when I

985
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,719
was going back and all these interviews
I could find for back a day,

986
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,599
he's just talking about like trying to
defend the movie and saying, oh,

987
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,000
they just all these scenes and the
movie I want to make is not reflective

988
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,280
here, and I kind of just
hate those excuses, but like maybe they're

989
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,519
valid. It's so hard to say, well, yeah, I was talking

990
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:12,639
about this Emily the other day because
that's the whole thing, where like relmonoffs,

991
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,199
you're not getting great reviews, but
like it's I agree, it's stupid.

992
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,960
That's the two hour cut, and
then in April the three hour cuts

993
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,519
coming out right, and I just
feel like it's like after Justice, Like

994
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,519
I just realized that for not that
it has to, but I think Snayer's

995
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:29,880
best route is he has you have
to let him do his long stuff and

996
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,960
it has to be R rated.
And maybe some people might argue that should

997
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,360
be a TV show, and maybe
it should be, but I feel like

998
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,800
whatever box he's in, like that's
the way. Like I feel like it

999
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,280
always ends this route, and I'm
not saying that's gonna make it better because

1000
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,719
I don't know if the I I
think the Just League situation is a lot

1001
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,559
different. I don't know if like
a bunch of some cuts and some new

1002
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,840
stuff out of this movie overall will
make it work, because I think there's

1003
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,400
still some stuff condemned. Actually,
yeah, I think maybe they'll like help

1004
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,199
it, but I think overall in
the middle there's still stuff like this doesn't

1005
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:02,639
work and this doesn't And I mean
even then, like any grab any director

1006
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,280
and get them ten years later to
oh yeah, they can make a new

1007
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,840
cut of their movie and they can
film new things where it's like, okay,

1008
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,480
well it's not just a cut of
the movie at that point. Now

1009
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:14,159
you're talking about how oh, maybe
with ten years of hindsight, I can

1010
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,280
say that this movie wasn't very good
and I want to change things in film

1011
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,639
new scenes, Like anyone could do
that. I'm sure, Like grab Nolan

1012
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,280
from like a bat, I'm sure
he'd like things, you know, like

1013
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:27,039
anyone looking back at their work with
a critical eye all these years later,

1014
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,400
I'm sure would come up with some
changes. So it just seems like a

1015
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,320
bit of a cop out. But
at the same time, like, who

1016
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,800
am I to say that? And
it was because that's one thing I was

1017
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,599
really trying to find these interviews,
is like how much was the melodrama intentional?

1018
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:42,719
Because it just seems so weird and
off putting and inconsistent to me,

1019
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,519
and I wanted to like find some
interviews or who was talking about, Like,

1020
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:46,840
oh, this this tone that I
was going for. But like,

1021
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,239
unfortunately, none of the dialogue about
this movie is actually about the movie.

1022
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:54,079
It's just about how like it was
not the movie he wanted to make.

1023
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,039
I'm like, well, what was
the movie you wanted to make? Like

1024
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:04,239
told me that was what wasn't from
what we got here. But yeah,

1025
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,440
yeah, yeah, no, that's
what I'm gonna do when the Geekers movie

1026
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,639
comes out and gets terribly weird.
So oh that was in the movie.

1027
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:13,000
I want to make you know,
there's a studio. There's a cutout there.

1028
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,079
Yeah, hey, for studios.
Came down to me hard, the

1029
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:21,400
the god, the owners, you
know, yeah, the lawyers, Yeah,

1030
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:23,000
anything else. I got trivia,
of course, but anything else specifically

1031
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:27,840
to shout out scenes moments before we
end this. I'm all, no doubt,

1032
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,400
no doubt. Uh, the the
noble man dude. I was getting

1033
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:36,679
major like Bill vibes from Scott kill
Bill. Yeah, yeah, that role

1034
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,320
was written for him specifically, and
I guess him and Snyder are good friends.

1035
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,480
They've been they were working on that
role for years. But yeah,

1036
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,960
Scott Glen always uh always quality.
He shows up, does what he needs

1037
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,039
to do and like, yeah,
you'll you'll see he's in Daredevil for all

1038
01:03:49,079 --> 01:03:52,039
three seasons, Kirkland, so when
you guys eventually retch for that in a

1039
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:58,599
very similar type of role. Yeah, that was probably my favorite character in

1040
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,320
this just because of the devil part
of it. I'm like, it's so

1041
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,880
fun that he played this type of
character before. And regardless, So I

1042
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,639
actually did really like the ending of
the bus scene, like I agree with

1043
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:11,239
deal where other than us just carrying
like we want this one to get out

1044
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:14,079
of there because it's terrible situation.
There's not much investment there, but I

1045
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,880
love the cops stopping her and every
time she goes to ANSWER's like, no,

1046
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,000
she was with the whole time.
She just had to pee like his

1047
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:23,320
earnestness. Yeah speaks volumes in that
scene for sure. Yeah. So at

1048
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,280
least, like the very end of
the movie, I'm left with like a

1049
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,119
nice little warm, fuzzy and it's
good because like, so far the movie

1050
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:31,199
has just shown every single I'm not
going to count on Ham, every single

1051
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,639
man is like a piece of shit. It's like, okay, there's still

1052
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:36,679
it's the same thing algoryth for our
world. There's there's tons and millions of

1053
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,320
terrible men out there, but not
everybody's in This is Scott Glenn character who

1054
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,760
like, if there's a real universe
saying that share, then okay he knows

1055
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:46,880
something. If it's not, it's
just like, oh, this is just

1056
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,960
some random bus driver that doesn't want
this girl to get in trouble over at

1057
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:54,119
her, and he's willing to lie
and put like his like little career online

1058
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:56,280
because the CoP's could have been more
dicks and been like, well, we

1059
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,440
want to see your ticket, we
want to know more, but they believed

1060
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:00,400
him because he sold it. So
I I like that as a nice little

1061
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,400
ending. There. Again, though, when she's in the real world and

1062
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,639
she takes those clothing, even the
railroad looks like shit. I hate like

1063
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:10,000
the background and like the hey,
it's just again it looks like the volume.

1064
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,719
That's all reminded me of was Bad
Star Wars MCU volume, where it's

1065
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:15,800
like, oh, none of this
is here and it's just one image that's

1066
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:24,280
being tweaked a bit. So yeah, there any other notes? Uh No,

1067
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,679
I think that's pretty much all I
got, all right. So,

1068
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,800
Jenna Malone, who played Rocket,
was so upset by the film's poor reception

1069
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,000
she almost quit acting, so there
ago because yeah, I think it's rocking

1070
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:38,079
like a twenty percent on roten tomatoes
and yeah, it's it's a bomb.

1071
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:41,559
It's a big box office bomb.
So it's you know, I think this

1072
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,159
makes this a very very specific audience. That's just interesting that this is the

1073
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,800
one that she was standing behind and
yeah like it. I guess they just

1074
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,639
misunderstood her. Maybe maybe yeah,
maybe she saw those cut scenes and thought

1075
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:57,280
that they would have, yeah,
drastically changed the public perception of it.

1076
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:00,239
Yeah, I'm not sure what the
reviews right too. Maybe those actresses were

1077
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,880
all till like they're bad and this
is bad and this is bad and stuff

1078
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,840
like Rocket sucks. Yeah, Rocket's
the worst. So I can't wait for

1079
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:12,159
them use Rocket each because we did
Guardian. No Guardians is not even out.

1080
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,519
Yeah, yeah a long time.
Uh. Each of the lead girls

1081
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:19,679
under strict or underwent strict physical training, which involved doing dead lists up to

1082
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,079
ninety six kilograms. It's about two
hundred and eleven pounds, which that is

1083
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:28,000
nuts. I've never fucking I'm not
dead. I think I've deadlifted two hundred

1084
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:30,119
a few times. I don't dead
did left anymore because I've read enough a

1085
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:32,920
go. It just sucks out your
back, So I'll take not being jacked

1086
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,679
over that. Hudgens called the period
tormenting, and she broke down several times

1087
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:41,159
in the scenes where she's been crying. She actually brought out moments from those

1088
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:45,760
sessions. So I guess they were
training pretty hard to uh make this work

1089
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:54,000
and just keeping Yeah, let's see. Emily Browning claims she'd also been considering

1090
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,400
giving up acting, but working with
zacksonar convincer just stick with it. So

1091
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,559
and that's one thing I will say. All acts always said that they have

1092
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,360
great experiences was act. They're also
I'm sure he seems like a fun guy

1093
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,159
to deal with, so you know
that helps there. He's randomly looking at

1094
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:10,280
like the chef. I'm like,
what are this guy's IMDb looks like?

1095
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,360
And he was in Watchman, he
was in Man of Steel as well,

1096
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,840
so yeah, it seems like you
get in the door Zack Snyder and like

1097
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,880
like James Gunn like he'll bring you
back, you'll be yeah over again.

1098
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:21,239
Yeah, but Man of Steel was
like guys Loast movie, So I don't

1099
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:25,519
know what he's done acting or something
else. He's still alive. I don't

1100
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:28,920
know. I didn't say he's some
chat room wearing a tomb bell mask.

1101
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,559
Oh my god, I don't want
to envision that. Amily Browning dyed her

1102
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:35,239
hair platinum blonde for the role and
died end up damaging her hair in which

1103
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,199
it had to be cut to very
short pixie styles. That's why if you

1104
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:43,559
look so, yeah, she's a
natural redhead. And uh, that's what

1105
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:45,159
you gotta do, because I'm somebody
that bleached my hair all the time,

1106
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:47,800
but I never fried it. But
people can fry your hair the fuck up.

1107
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,719
So I take great pride that there's
someone in Hollywood fucking up these stars

1108
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,719
hair. And I did it for
years on my own. I never had

1109
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,760
to fucking just pixie cut it.
So let's see, there was originally,

1110
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,880
Oh, I talked about that the
high role or scene. We already talked

1111
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,519
about that it was cut. So
again, the ending sound like studio MPa

1112
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:06,199
Snyder. There's a bunch of stuff
that they just could not get on the

1113
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:09,719
same page. I'm sure. Maybe
that's why he also says his movie.

1114
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:11,960
Maybe he still was just pissed about
the ending, right, Maybe he felt

1115
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,000
that the ending was stronger, but
uh, at the time, this was

1116
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,039
the first film's accident I had directed
that was not an adaption before. It

1117
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:21,159
was three hundred and Guardian's Galacahool,
which I think is something and you got

1118
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:27,159
Watchmen, so yes. Scchlin's role
was written for him. Uh uh,

1119
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:32,119
Manda Seifred Olivia Thurbley, which I
don't know who Thurblely is Olivia Thurbley.

1120
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:39,520
It's th h I r l b
y thoroughly. I try and thank you

1121
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:43,680
and me Machowski. We're going into
cat or we're in turn going to be

1122
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,279
cast as maybe all but dropped out
before Emily Brian was chosen, which was

1123
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:49,119
funny because me and Michewski was the
live action alson Winnerland, so it would

1124
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:53,960
have been some big parallels there.
She was an Oppenheimer. Who is she

1125
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,720
an Oppenheimer? Ah? God,
Lily horn Hornig. I don't know.

1126
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,600
Oh yes, And is she one
of the scientists I can't remember? Yeah,

1127
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,039
the luck Okay, I have done
Money too, apparently I don't remember

1128
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:09,439
her in that? Is she in
dumb money like two or dumb money?

1129
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:16,239
The sequel to what is that sentence? Is she done money too? Or

1130
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,880
two? Wo? She is in
it as as well? Okay, there,

1131
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:24,680
I was just curious I was scarious
with already working on Dumb Money too.

1132
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,560
You'd never know, right, they
whipped that movie together quick. M

1133
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,359
Rachel Wood was the first choice for
Rocket, but dropped out to the scheduling

1134
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:36,159
conflict, so jim Alone replaced her. At one point, angel Angela Angelina

1135
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:41,079
Julie wasn't talks for the role of
doctor Veric Gorski, so I see,

1136
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,199
yeah, I could see that.
And then Emma Stone was considered for the

1137
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,680
role of Amber, but that went
to Jimmy Chung And I think good job

1138
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:55,399
on Emma Stone's agents for not going
this route. Yeah, that's a weird

1139
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,079
role for her. Yeah, you
remember though, right, like I always

1140
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:00,199
forget like easy and stuff like these
were like bigger movies, but it's not

1141
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:04,119
like what she's doing now where she's
like the next heir to like the best

1142
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,960
actress in the world now, right, Like there there was a path at

1143
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,279
one point, there's a path to
Lulla Land and there's a path not that

1144
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:14,359
way and probably being in Sucker Punch
leaves of the path moth that way,

1145
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:16,479
you know, like there there I
think Emmaston's Earth timeline, Yeah, like

1146
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,680
with her being in that house,
spunny, super bad. Her career easily

1147
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,199
could have win a different path,
Like I think she would have been a

1148
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:27,239
man of steel, she would have
been in laying fuck yeah and all these

1149
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:31,159
things. Yeah, oh man should
row moon. Yeah. Uh let's uh

1150
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,399
Taylor heard No, Dylan found thoughts
on tail because you probably the highest score.

1151
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:38,640
So Dylan found thoughts on Sucker Punch. Yeah. No, a very

1152
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,119
uh very weird movie, but uh
an interesting one nonetheless. Uh if this

1153
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,000
Snyder cind Ofver gets released, I
don't know if I'll watch it. I

1154
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:48,920
mean, man, it seems like
prime geek first content, so maybe I'll

1155
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,439
do it, but but yeah,
otherwise I don't think I'll ever revisit this

1156
01:10:53,479 --> 01:11:00,680
one. Uh yeah, weird movie, there you go. I yeah,

1157
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,720
no, pretty much was in the
opening. There's kernels of ideas here,

1158
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,920
there's moments, but overall, did
not enjoy this. I'm someone that doesn't

1159
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,399
consider that long like two ten,
but it felt long. I paused in

1160
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:14,439
an hour. Its like fuck,
there's still an hour left, and like

1161
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,319
I said, just just because a
lot of that action stuff is in the

1162
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:19,439
movie tons and I didn't enjoy it. Unfortunately, the rest of the stuff,

1163
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,359
even the great mysteries like it's not
that great, So I will give

1164
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,520
this a four out of five.
I can't pass it. A four is

1165
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,479
for some ideas. I don't think
the acting is like overall baden he or

1166
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:30,960
anything like that. I think there's
some cool shots here and there. But

1167
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,199
uh, yeah, I gotta fail
this one a four or five, so

1168
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:40,840
just just under the passing grade.
So Kirklin, Yeah, I'm I'm glad

1169
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,479
I had a reason to check this
one out, because this is definitely one

1170
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,039
I would have probably you know,
gotten to my end days without ever seeing

1171
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:51,479
this and just never seeing this this
adventure I never saw a sucker bunch.

1172
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,520
It's tricky because it's tricky because I
feel like, again like if it's not

1173
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,840
in twenty eleven, maybe these like
poorly done like colorful shots of the CGI

1174
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,560
things like it probably wouldn't have affected
me too much. I probably would have

1175
01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:09,800
actually enjoyed those action sequences a lot
more. But right now, like,

1176
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,239
the only thing I really have to
give it is just the like the attempt

1177
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:15,720
of like what they were doing.
Like there's definitely this definitely isn't like a

1178
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,239
cookie cutter movie, you know,
where it follows like the same pattern that

1179
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:23,359
many other movies have, so I'll
give them credit in that aspect. I

1180
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,239
think I still have to fail it
though, just for the overall execution of

1181
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:30,800
it. It's like a hesitant.
Yeah, no, I was. I

1182
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,680
was thinking like a five out of
ten just because of like the anime concepts

1183
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,359
that they're trying to bring in here. But you know, maybe it's a

1184
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:41,279
reason that a lot of anime type
adaptations to live action don't really execute well

1185
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:45,600
because it is just something that works
a lot easier in animated. Because like,

1186
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,399
man, if I saw an animated
version of this movie, like I

1187
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:51,680
could see this actually being like pretty
topp tier, But who knows. I

1188
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:56,199
don't think we'll ever get the anime
adaptation of Sucker Punch. It's pretty rare

1189
01:12:56,199 --> 01:13:00,239
to get a live action into an
animated thing. I guess Scott Pilgrim's like

1190
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:02,479
that, right. I don't know
if it started in a comic book or

1191
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,920
whatnot. But anyways, I'll give
this one a four and a half out

1192
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,880
of ten, a little bit of
a half step up from Travis there.

1193
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,800
But yeah, never going to revisit
this one. Snyder cut comes out,

1194
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,520
I like I'll ever visit. I
think I'm like with Dylan if there's a

1195
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,000
I don't know, a big uproar
of the fans that make me want to

1196
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:23,359
revisit this, but like, I
just don't know what would really be added

1197
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:27,039
that fixes this. But I also
kind of said that about the Justice League

1198
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:30,399
thing, right, Like, I
was really really discounting this is the whole

1199
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,760
Snyder cut thing for Justice League,
and I watched it and I'm like,

1200
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,479
man, this is actually such a
great film. So I don't know,

1201
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:40,439
if you tack on three more hours
to this, maybe you get that great

1202
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,960
movie. But holy crap, that's
a long film already on top of a

1203
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:49,359
two hour and ten minute film.
So yeah, film, I'm going to

1204
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:53,479
give it that a seven point five
out of ten. I think our conversation

1205
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:59,359
definitely highlighted some things that were very
problematic in retrospect with this film that I

1206
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:01,760
definitely did not clue into right away. But talking and breaking down some of

1207
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,560
the scenes and how things were inconsistent
and some things are poorly explained and covered,

1208
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that's all out there now. So
yeah, I feel pretty good with

1209
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my rating. If there does seem
like this is gonna happen like a Snyder

1210
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coversion of this is some extra stuff
the Snyder Punch, that's what released.

1211
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I'm totally I'm totally I'm gonna watch
it. I'm totally in whenever this happens,

1212
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so it should be a good time. I don't really just make a

1213
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new thing. Don't go back to
this. Yeah, it's tough, as

1214
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if it's the one that got away, right, it's haunting him in the

1215
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:40,039
middle night, haunting him, maybe
haunting me. Oh there shown. That

1216
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is our Snyder retrospective. Tune in
next week we'll be talking about Rebel Moon,

1217
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which should be very interesting to see
how that goes. So uh,

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until then, I'll not be boring. Bye bye.