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So I hope you're having a good time. But yes, as I
said, it's kind of continuing because we have done this before. We've done
a Man of Steel retrospective, we did a Watch From retrospective, we did
a God, what do we do for Army the Dead? What's his don
the Dead? Yeah, we did that. So we have a good review
base and retrospective base of Zack Snyder stuff, which is funny because you know,
he's not like one of our favorite directors, but he always does number
so hence why we do a Zaccenter retrospective because there's always something. But yeah,
we're almost We're two movies away from completing his whole filmography, so I'm
sure we will get there with a Roman Left three hundred and Legends of the
Guardians Als of Ghoul. Oh, right, the animated movie he did.
I've never seen three hundred before. Oh, that'll be a fun one if
you do the second three hundred as well. No, he didn't know,
so we can skip that one. Other than Ava Green looking mighty spicy in
that, there's not much to the second three hundred. So but yes we
uh so this was we put up the patrons or the patren producers, which
you can go do because Patreon producers especially look out in twenty twenty four.
You might get a pick a few more things we do. But yes,
that's what happens when we do retrospective of directors, actors or holiday seasons.
Say hey, here's a couple of movies. Make a vote, and somehow
they chose Sucker Punch. I thought it was going to be three hundred.
I was surprised because Sucker Punch is like, like and I don't know what
these guys think, but is usually looked down as his like his worst or
least film. So I didn't think that would get it. But maybe that's
sometimes, as we learn COVID, a lot of people just gave us films
that they thought were really bad because they just want us to talk about them.
So I'm not sure what the thing he was between the producers, but
thank you for voting, and uh yeah, let's uh Taylor, let's let's
go with you. What did you think of sucker Punch? Had you ever
seen it before at this point? And now what do you think about it?
How many years later? Yeah, So I I saw this back when
I came in theaters. That was the last time I saw it. I
got my my buddies together and went and saw it. And there's a few
things I forgot, sder bros, Snyder bros. Fuck, But like,
yeah, it's funny because this this we saw in theaters and then it popped
back into my life again. I not that I watched it, but pop
back in my life again only a couple of years later because I was I
went back in the day, like little Taylor, he's big in those online
chat rooms, in those video rooms. What a chat rooms with the bros?
Yeah video just just the ladies, no bros here, you know,
just the the good old mega omegal days. Just flipped through the cocks and
all that kind of stuff and find like some genuine conversations. But well,
wait, what did you say? What you ever do the omegal stuff back
in the day? Why did you just say Cox though that was the thing
there would always be that the cocks out it's me and there's like Russian Russian
one too. That's what it was, because they did a South Park guys,
you never heard of it. It's a it's a video chat room.
So there's like there's like a chat box and there's webcam and you just cycle
through like keep talking, like you can talk to someone that hit next.
So you cycle through, and there were some really cool people on there,
but every once in a while you go through and then there's just like there's
a guy with the cock out just fucking beating it up. I was talking
to real girls apparently, not looking through Omega goal or whatever. The worst
one was a Jigsaw mask and that was he was right there, just fucking
but still wait, was he wearing a Jigsaw mask or a Billy the Puppet
mask? Oh? Sorry, Billy the Puppet mask. I wish she was
wearing a Tobin Bell mask. Okay, save that for the next originals.
We'll circle back into the longer conversation about January. Look out for January.
We'll have a whole episode Patron, So there you go. So so yeah,
anyways, the affiliation with that is there's one lady that I met there
back in the Jay and uh, I wanted to give her a gift and
so, uh the gift you took it up? Put my billy, what
is this gift that you start? So gave what I give you give on
these chats. My gifts was a hard copy DVD of Sucker Punch, and
it's like she lived out in the States or whatever, so it took a
while to get out there. But that was that was the second time.
Oh nothing, nothing, No, that was just that was the second time
Sucker Punch was in my life for that period of time. And it is
here story and time again. Yeah, so there's a little backstory there.
I should have let you go last. I got none of our back stories.
But yeah, overall, I think that the movie has a lot of
really cool sequences, and I can see where my younger self watching it probably
got confused, and how they combined two narratives, not the not the fantastically
not the fantastical side of things. That was definitely much like more obvious where
it fit into the whole narrative here, but the narrative that it was falling
back on, and that con mixed with the actual narrative. I think my
younger self got confused. So rewatching it now, it was cool to kind
of properly understand how this was unfolding and just really understand certain events and and
just be reminded too that there were some great people involved with this film.
I had no idea that Oscar Isaac's was in this movie at all, Like
that blew my mind. So that was really cool to see. And uh
yeah, just just a couple of other sequences that just I feel like they
aged well. CGI is very prominent sequences that I really did enjoy just ca
Yeah, No, I thought it was. I thought it was a really
really fun time. I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought it
was because I was definitely gunning for guardians that go whol that was my my
but he was messing the patrons every day. Did you like this movie when
you saw it in theaters back in the day. I did, but I
wasn't enough to just kind of like run back and see it. And I
attribute that to me being younger and just enjoying the action sequences and not caring
for the storyline stuff necessarily made for teenage boys. For sure, Absolutely,
I'll go because I like to go back and forth, and I feel like
I got a good rhythm because I don't think Dylan's ever seen this movie,
so I was lean leading off with him or ending off with him. Yeah,
it's interesting with Sny we always though about because he's an interesting cat.
Where there's the DC stuff, there's other stuff. I don't think he's ever
made a bad movie. I think there's stuff in the DC realm that I
didn't agree with at all that doesn't really work. But I've never failed Zack
Snyder movie. But that's definitely happening today. I do not like this movie
one bit. I didn't like it that I didn't see in theaters, but
I just remember seeing the theater the previews just being like this is just does
not look quality, does not look good. Especially this is me coming off
of I like three hundred. I liked On Dead, but I loved Watchmen,
so this is the one after Watchman. So that's why I was old,
like someone vested of Like, Okay, I like this cast, even
like Oscaris like I didn't know about them, but just other people. John
Hammer liked Carla. I can never say her name, Kajicho or whatever.
There's some people that are like Vanessa Hudgens, coming off that high school musical
hypes. It's like, okay, but I was excited, but the previews
never got me. So I never like told want to see it with the
bros or friends or parents. I just like, I'll wait. And then
I think I saw once and it left my mind, and I know why
it's it's it's not good for me. I think, like the the when
you do the two universes, and that's why. Yeah, of course they'll
be spoist. If you haven't seen it, go watch it coming back.
There's like the real timeline whatever debate able real timeline's happening in the dance show.
And then there's like the I don't know Samurai action just the action place.
I mean that all looks super ugly. And I'm not even talking about
like oh the CGI bad. I just think that just the design, the
color grading and the look of it, it just looks. It looks.
It looks like now when people throw stuffy like, oh this is AI created
image, that's what those sequences feel like. They feel like AI created sequences,
and I know it wasn't. So it's fine because I know, like,
hey, that's what he wanted, and some people might like that aesthetic.
None of that really worked for me, and I think that I'm always
down for Hey, you have a movie and we're using and the movie has
a good message and it has a good vibe as far as like it's about
these women they're being oppressed or being taken advantage. I think what he's going
for. It's like the same thing people talk about like, oh, they're
always dressed scanily clad. It's like, well, I get why they did
that because it is the men's view, and that's the point, because the
men are forced that on them, Like I understand certain things. I think
that's where happens with Sneinern sometimes that he has great, high level ideas and
sometimes the execution is not there. I think that happens with BVS with Man
of Steel. I hope that doesn't happen with Rebel Moon. So that thing
where sometimes he misses that where something like Watchman or three hundred, I think
he nails it. So I think this is a time where he has some
great concepts but there's a big miss. But what I was saying is I
like the idea of Kay, there's the real world stuff and they're using this
cool, altimate world to work out these issues instead of showing the actual dance
or the characters talking. It's like through action and cool samurai and fighting.
But the problem is if you don't like any of that, I'm not invested.
So anytime we flip to that world, I was not enjoining this action
stuff. So and that's like a lot of the movie. It's a bulk.
I wanted to get back to the girls and the rule war. I
was enjoying that. I actually wish the whole movie was just that, because
I like the cast, I like things going on. I think Oscar is
it gets great as this piece of shit character. So I was way more
invested in this imagination world where they share some fever dream or maybe there is
something really going on. Whatever you feel about, I don't care about it
because I don't enjoy much of what's going on. And that's what's tough.
You have to nail. If you're gonna do the imaginary friend, the dream
scenario, whatever it is, you gotta nail that. And for me,
it doesn't, even though I think it's probably it's a it's a tasting and
yeah, this is not my taste. And there's there's some bright spots,
but even the first five minutes of this movie, I'm like, who if
I remember why I don't like this, Like the there's weird montages, there's
classic Snyder SloMo where it just doesn't always work for me when I'm not enjoying
it. See, I do not enjoy this movie and I will never ever
watch as I know. This is another one though Again this is one that
like the whole third act was changed because him in the studio didn't agree and
yet to da da da, I know they're trying to release the Snyder punch.
So no, no, maybe one day I'd give that a shot.
But like I which is funny this guy is. I think it's a good
thing he's at Netflix because Netflix is gonna let him do whatever he wants.
I think that's a good thing as we've seen. No, yeah, I
think it is a good thing because like as clearly the way he likes to
make movies is not good in the studio way as far as they always but
had. It's the whole third act is like completely changed apparently. And there's
other trivia stuff I have that was like the students, you gotta cut this,
gotta cut this. So maybe there is a great movie because I said
about Justice league, and when I saw the snary coming, Okay, you
know what, this was actually great and I see where he was going with
it. So yeah, this whatever, this version of the movie is,
though not good and there's not too much bright spots I have for but it's
not also like an all time bad thing like a how are the Duck or
something. It's just kind of like a a whimper. So that's where I
am. Kirklam Patzer. Where is your first time? Yeah? This chat?
This was my first time. Actually, no chat. I didn't know
all that. Okay, yeah this was I never I feel like I had
heard the like sucker Punch, but like maybe I just assumed that was the
studio or maybe a different type of movie, Like I like I had heard
this in the wind blowing somewhere, but yeah, never seen a trailer for
it. Never like really knew nothing about it to knows Zack Snyder movie until
obviously the Patreon picks. So going into this extremely blind and uh what a
ride? What a ride? This one was? I I feel like I'll
just say it, I really didn't like it. I didn't like the movie.
I won't ever revisit it. However, I feel like there is some
really interesting things in here, not even just like movie concept, but also
just like execution wise, like this movie really felt like an anime. Actually
there's a lot of like just randomness going on and like crazy action sequences that
like you can't even really explain how we got from like point A to point
B because of just I don't know from the start of the movie, like
I never would have thought that she'd be fighting just these giant samurai beast type
things in like a fucking schoolgirl outfit and like big like gun with a giant
sword. That is so anime in that aspect of just like over the top
action. So I feel like I appreciated just like swinging for the fences with
with like the amount of stuff like we had like World War two sequences in
here. I was just I didn't know what we were gonna get next for
these action sequences. So I think in that aspect, I will kind of
tip my hat on just again like the boldness of wanting to do that stuff.
However, I think the issue with specifically those action sequences is it's just
so it they look so bad, like what Travis said, like like I
think a big portion of it might be the datedness of it. Like maybe
if I did see this as a wee young lad, you know, not
just for the females on screen, but pretty much just like not having an
eye for comparing it to like modern CGI stuff, like maybe those sequences would
have looked a lot better. Because like there's certain action movies that I think
of in a highlight of just when I've watched them as a kid, but
when I rewatch them now, it's like, oh man, I can't even
watch them. The CGI is so awful, just really take you out of
it. And unfortunately that kind of was the case for a lot of these
action sequences. And there's a lot of action sequences in here. There's a
lot of different uh like portally into different worlds and just like completely CGI,
Like it's so obvious that it's just a green screen. So that really took
me out of it. There is like this is a pretty long movie too.
I think it's like around two hours and ten minutes or something like that.
So if we have a lot of action in there, like that's a
lot of lull moments at least for me. So yeah, that's the action
aspect of it. I I already mentioned that I Yeah, I'm applying it
for just the the anime style of it that it's just so strange when she
starts to do this little dance thing all of a sudden, it's just we're
in a completely different world. Like I was kind of digging that, Like
it was just so weird and it was keep me engaged enough there. Yeah,
Travis's you already mentioned like just the like the I don't know, like
the bigger message I think of, like what these girls are kind of struggling
with and just oppressing them, but like them able to find just some strength
in each other. Like I did like that storyline of it. I really
like seeing Oscar Isaac just being a total piece of shit. I'd never Yeah,
I didn't know obviously about this movie, let alone the characters that are
in it. And man there are characters in this like John Hamm. I
was so shocked to see him in here. Vanessa Hudgens, It's like,
okay, like what else did she doing after high school musical? I buy
her being in this, but yeah, just some of the like the doctor
character as well. It was kind of interesting to see here in here.
So I was very just shocked, I think for multiple reasons while watching this
movie, and the I think the twists was another thing that kind of kept
me engaged enough. So I think there was enough in here that made me
want to get through the movie. But unfortunately it's just I don't know that
I've seen it, there's nothing really makes me want to rewatch it. I
Yeah, the datedness of the action is just really it was really tough to
get to get through. For like, when did this even come out.
It seems like an early twenty eleven, so it seemed even older than that,
honestly, Like tire Man one, Yeah, it's such a dark knight
and stuff like. But it's strange because that's always something that people talk about
with like Snyder and his team that he works with, is usually the visuals
aren't an issue, right, Like you look a mass Steel bvs like even
Watch when when you go back there, it's like that's a big thing for
him, is the visuals are always crisp. You always go story might be.
But then that's where I feel like some of that world is there's a
little a little iffiness going on with some of the visuals happening because there's just
so much of it, like it's just good. It feels like it feels
a bad Volume two at times when we talk about that on Disney Plus and
stuff, and it's like, oh, this is clearly not a step.
It's just like a stage behind them, and that has that a lot here.
Yeah, So I think the last thing I'll say too is our protagonist
character, Baby Doll I think that was her name. Uh, she was
just kind of she was kind of forgettable for me. I feel like she
like she doesn't have a lot of like powerful dialogue. She she definitely is
like a tragic character that's gone through a lot, and I think it works
in those action sequences when she's just not saying anything, like she's just she
is this Like it very much seems like an anime of just this like badass
schoolgirl type outfit character with like all these crazy weapons and just kicking ass.
But when we get those silent moments of her like just I don't know,
trying to rally the troops and like be the general amongst the other girls of
like leading them on these missions, she just didn't really have a lot of
charisma. For me, I'd never really heard of this actress or seen her
in anything else. She was in the Series of Unfortunate Events. She was
in that back in the day, that movie she was the main kid.
Really okay, like the one with Jim Carrey. Yep, oh, okay.
Interesting. So I've seen her in two projects. I like that other
one a lot more than her appearance here. But yeah, so, I
mean, I'm excited to unpack it at least talk to you guys about this
movie. But yeah, I'll leave my thought. Yeah, I think I'm
very close to Kirklin on this, and I guess therefore also Travis, I'm
very conflicted on this movie because I I like what you said, Kirklin of
like, yeah, like not a good movie, but like, man,
it's trying stuff. It's like ambitious, it's going for something. Most of
the time, I don't really know what it's going for because it's it's split
between like super dark and serious. Like the subject matter is really dark.
The visuals, as you mentioned, like I think, Travis, like for
all those action sequences, like the color grading is what you mentioned of,
like, yeah, the color palets of these things are just awful. It
just looks terrible and boring and bland. So all of it's like very serious.
But then the rest of the movie is so melodramatic, like the music,
the slow mos, like the cheesy overacting at times, even like in
the opening sequence when she's like in the back of the car and the water
on, like the wind on the window like turn like makes the letters sucker
punch, Like this is so such a melodramatic movie, So that like really
goes opposite of like the rest of this serious tone, and I think it
just ends up being really messy because of that and really inconsistent, and it
just feels like two or three movies jammed in one. And you know,
when I was watching this and I just felt like the vibe I'm getting from
this movie is that Zack Snyder wanted to do these cool action sequences. He
wanted to do like a World War two thing. He wanted to do like
some dragon and like some undead armies, all these things, and then he
like the that was the genesis of the idea, and then it became,
Okay, how do I create a story that brings all these together? And
I tried to look up a bunch of interviews on this because like that's one
of those things like this movie was really interesting and weird, and it made
me want to go afterwards and look up more and learn more about it,
which not a lot of bad movies do. So at least it has something
going for it. And it seems like that's probably what happened to some extent
where he was like, Okay, how do I make this make sense?
I just want to make all these cool action sequences, and I think that
part of it like doesn't work for me at all. I think that was
a quite big failure. And those action secreences take too long this movie,
Like, yeah, let's let's shave thirty minutes off this. I think it
would have been way better for it. So yeah, I I definitely have
quite a few things to say about this one, but overall think it's pretty
weak, and I think comparing it to other Snyder stuff, I'm definitely not
a not a Snyder boy. I haven't seen Watchmen or three Hundred, which
are probably considered his his best movies. I would imagine A Man of Steel
has been so long. I don't even really want to throw criticism at I
just like it was boring, but like I watched it so long ago,
and but then like I loved Army of the Dead, and I think is
that what it's called dead? Yeah? Yeah, mixed up with evil evil
evil dead, Army of dark Hair. Yeah. All the thing. I
love that movie. I think that the best part about for me is just
like the cast of characters is fantastic, that all have like good personalities or
good gimmicks to them, and they work really well alongside each other. But
to me, that's where like this movie is the weakest, where the whole
cast of like these five women are all so boring and have such little personality.
Like, as you mentioned, Kirkle, the protagonist here is so bland
and uninteresting, Like she doesn't even have a word in this movie until like
a half an hour in. I was tracking the I'm like, is this
is gonna be a silent protagonist movie the whole way through? So I made
note of him, Like, man, it's like we're twenty five minutes in,
she's like has said her first word here. That's kind of crazy.
So she just doesn't have much going on, and I feel like there's you
know, obviously a lot to be dug into there on the emotional side of
what's going on for her, but I feel like we don't really get that.
But then like all these other characters, specifically those four women that make
the team are all the only kind of exist in orbit of her character,
and so if she's weak, then they all end up being weak, like
Vanessa Hudgens and Jamie Chung. I think her name is those nothing. There's
nothing going on for those characters. They have not a single meat of meat
or potatoes, nothing on that plate. And then the other two characters are
just like, Okay, one of them is gonna be the one that is
like hard to you know, she has puts a wall up. It's hard
for her the character to get through, and she's gonna be like kind of
the hardball character. And then the other one's like the complete opposite, where
she's like, oh, that's like the foot in the door, the very
friendly presence, and that's like it. That's their entire character arc. So
when big emotional things happen to these characters or for these characters at the end,
I just don't care at all about any of it. So yeah,
I think this is a very weak movie overall for me, But it's got
someone about it that's interesting, so there's still some value to be had here.
It's just yeah, as you guys, mentioned that I'll never watch this
again. I don't not a fan. Yeah yeah, and that's where I
just got to start a go pull pats her. But you know, start
from the beginning. The opening in this movie is so bizarre, this weird,
like we have multiple covers, which I learned I had in the trivia
that Emily Browning sang three of them. Sweet Dreams is what was opening was
asleep and then wears my mind. So you're getting these lots of popular songs
getting covered in here, and she's singing them or featured in them. But
just this weird like quick montage if they lose their mom and then okay,
this they have all the money, but this guy still take care of him
and he's abusive and her sister falls out a window and baby Doll goes to
shoot him a few times with Missus and it's just like it's like it's a
very I don't know why. It's a very simple origin, but for some
reason they make it not palatable in a way, like it's just the way
they present it. I don't care. I don't care for this, like
grungy sort of music video, whatever route they try, and Snyder does that
a lot that was the beginning of Watchman too, like you told, but
that is like the beginning of watch and the opening credits is hails on the
Grays opening creds all time, And this is for me. It's just like
I don't know, I don't I don't like any any of it. It
just he's still even some sense doesn't even make sense. Now. Of course
we're in a world where girls were being kidnapped forced to dance. It's like,
okay, we're in like a comic book world where there's you know,
things happening that don't happen in our world. But yeah, Tail, you
had your hand up there. Well did the sister fall out a window?
I thought she the like what's her name, like baby doll or whatever,
she was climbing out the window. But then I thought she shot her sister
with a stray bullet, trying to shoot her stepfather. Yeah, but even
the way it's like I think you're right with like the position of where the
gun in the bullet is to where she it's just like that doesn't align.
It's over complicated. For like, I almost don't think I feel like you
just cut that. And because the whole characters are always asking baby Doll,
like, oh, what's your story? And she doesn't give it for a
while, and I don't actually think she ever gives it to those girls,
and I remember to do she ever have a moment where she says, like,
this happened to my dad. So it's just like I would rather them
not doing the mystery or you reveal later on. But the opening on this
film, it's it's it's odd s. Yeah, I did not right away.
I was reminded of right, I don't like this style. And that's
where a lot of this movie feels like it's like portions are just music video
movie making, and I don't like that. I don't need like I think
it can work, but here wasn't working for me. But yeah, the
opening, Yeah, so I guess what she's I don't know. They deem
her insane. So she goes to asylum and the guy gets like all the
money I guess, But that didn't seem like that was in the will.
It just seemed like went strictly to the two daughters. So well, yeah,
it was going to the daughters, but the dad wanted to get it,
so he's going to kill the two daughters. Drunkenly, but then that
backfires because he kind of sobers up when she pulls a gun on him.
And even if he kills her, I don't think she would he would get
the stuff. That's extremely He's not panning out. But that's the weird thing,
because yeah, he his plan is to pay Oscar Isaacs, because Oscar
Isaacs is leading his own kind of thing here under the table where they forged
signatures and very very very very bad. But no matter what, I feel
like the dad would have got caught and it would have trickled down to Oscar
Isaac's character. Didn't he pay Oscar Isaac? Like two grand too? And
then it was two grand? Like really that much money? Like that's can
jump change used Honda Civic for that? Like it was odd? I mean,
like you got the money, Yeah it's two grand. Now you said
fourteen hundred over the phone. It's like okay. And again, this is
a different world, right, so I'm sure that maybe the dad would have
killed them, maybe not got caught, right, because maybe they're just trying
to women in general in this world, but they're trying to make the real
life alguare I get that? I just it's done in a very messy way.
So but I was very confused by the opening as well. I feel
like, like, really I was just like, what is going on here?
And then we get to the hospital, It's like, okay, this
is kind of like the setting I guess of the movie. And then obviously
as soon as like the lobotomy is starting to to transpire, we just get
taken to another thing. I had to like rewind the movie. I'm like
that, I like fast forward, like what is going on here? I
was very confused, and then once I realized that this is just kind of
what's happening, it kind of like kind of piqued my interest a little bit,
you know, because this is like, like what are weing? This
is like Alice in Wonderland sort of situation. And then fast forward a little
bit further when we get to uh, when she meets like the Nobleman or
whatever that that suits her up with the weapons. I was I feel like
the movie kept losing me and then like kind of like bringing me back in
and then and then like kind of losing me a little bit and then bring
me back in. So it's an interesting ride all around. Mm hmm.
Where do we want to go what do we where's the point do we want
to go in? Or you want to focus on a character talk about the
action World War I'm curious the different weird alternative sequences. Which one was your
guys's favorites. You got the World War two zombies, you got the medieval
dragons, and you had like the futuristic train tech robots. I think there
was there one more. You got like the musical number. I guess,
just like the Yeah, which musical number? I think there was one more.
And I can't remember what you talking about like this, like when she
first gets there right with the samurai or did your yes samurai? Yeah,
thank you. I feel like for me it is the World War two one,
just with like the Nazi zombies or whatever they were. That was just
I don't know. I think the CGI wasn't great in it, but it
like it was interesting enough. It was very gray, and I feel like
it fit like that World War two setting, at least with all the Zeppelins
in the air and when she just duels like her undead stepfather in the in
the whatever that was that that was kind of interesting for me. I like
overall though, like they all kind of looked really bad, but that one,
I think it might have just been like the gray palette that that kind
of saved it a little bit for me. It wasn't as bad as some
of the other ones, like whenever they have like really bad CGI that's like
bright. I feel like it's a lot more noticeable as opposed to the darker
ones. So that would probably be my pick. I mean, I'm partial
to like fantasy stuff, so I think I like the medieval castle setting the
most bad to pick one. But even then, like I think maybe the
samurai fight just because it's like the most is synct and I feel like story
wise it kind of makes the most sense. It's like this this kind of
brief setup where the rest of them, like, I know, there's this
idea, right that you go to the samurai section and then he establishes like
this goal. You have to get the map, you have to get the
fire, you have to get something else the key. Yeah, and then
there's the surprise at the end, and I feel like for a bit I
was like, Okay, this is interesting, like this medieval castle, Like
there's this dragon breathing fire and that's where they get the fire from, Like
Okay, that's kind of cool thematically, but like none of the other ones
really did that. Like I guess there's like they're saying like the trenches are
very a maze, like because that makes sense for the map of this place.
But then like the Robot future bomb, when I'm like, okay,
so this one's fire again, like I'm losing the plot on what they were
kind of trying to go for there, I'll call Bot. I don't have
a favorite. They're all the same in my mind, Like I don't.
There's things I like and dislike about them both, like they'll make good points
about the Samurai fight, but the actual fighting I don't like. It's like
the CGI or it's a slow mo Snyder, I don't like where everything is
and it's just it's not and then fast mo and like going back and forth,
really really weird choice. It makes it feel it's not like coordinated,
well, like it's not like an entertaining fight to watch, Like the Zombie
Ones is good, but I feel like that even goes on too long.
The train has some stuff, but that's when that big mech is really popping
off, and I don't know, that's when some of the CGI is men
like I like some of stuff. They're falling from the sky and everything,
so like they're all like a very fifty fifty because I guess I didn't really
enjoy any of that stuff. So for me, it was like I was
always like, Okay, let's let's get out of here and shore in these
sequences and I get the pitch and maybe that's the idea is like Okay,
well we can tell this more deeper story. But we got some cool action
here. But again I just wasn't jiving when most of it, And it's
probably based off the look again, but even the choreography there wasn't too much
Like even when they're in the trenches fighting, it was just like a lot
of shooting and like like yeah, and it really felt like those like fantasy
sequences. It felt like it was just a step down from like the Matrix,
where the Matrix they take it to this like program where anything can kind
of happen and there is these like wild things going on, but there's like
phenomenal fight choreography of like you kind of throw avity, you know, you
kind of forget about that, but it works because this is a program,
whereas here it is very anime style in the sense they have like no armor
and like Samurai swords, but they're kicking ass, but it's just kind of
unimpressive, and the things that they're they're combating didn't look great, so it
was just kind of like a mess on screen. But it very much felt
like that, like the Matrix comparison, especially with like the first Samurai one,
when like the undead giant Samurai Think just kicks her like through the wall.
I just pictured like Neo go and flying through the building there but noticeable
step down. Several members of cast and crew semi humorously describe this movie as
one flew over the Matrix. So there you go, so oh, there
you go, Like it was known on set that what they're like this,
So this is a lot like That's what Snyder wrote down. He's like,
think this speaking of like the theme of each place being tied to like the
goal that they were achieving at that time. I thought it would have made
a lot more sense, and maybe for the scale it wouldn't have, but
I think that the scale would have been more sense we had the Samurai one
in place of that Robot Future one, because the goal of that sequence is
they're trying to get the knife right from the from the the chef in the
kitchen, and so that would have made sense. You're fighting like some samurais
that have like their swords and whatnot, would have made sense kind of like
the dragon and the fire. So I feel like even swing switching, that
would have made more sense once gain. Maybe the scale of it is why
they did it the opposite way, because that seems like a nice appetizer one
compared to like these literal armies. And like also I thought that was funny.
Though there's like an army of the dead in this, which is like
the later movie that he makes. Obviously he's revisiting. It's almost like a
bit of a best of even though this is like before some of those other
things came out. But clearly he just likes making undead people and want wants
action sequences with them, and he'll find any story reason to get there.
When he's making these movies. It's funny, don't you guys. I don't
know how much you remember BVS, but I feel like with BVS and just
like you know, like the like Nightmare World where it's that like Orange and
Tanny with Batman has the trench coat and everything like that. Like I feel
like that's like the version of it done well, like whatever this world was,
and that's where it's a combo. If there's CGI and there's realism there,
and I wish this world was more like that. So again, just
as some stuff looking similar to his other works, I feel like this looks
like the nightmare world that Superman eventually takes over an apocalypse, so it's like,
uh, some of a second, I think he does it better later
on, and I would argue he does the Army of the Dead stuff better
later on as well, so maybe he's working through some of these ideas.
I'm not sure what's gonna pop up and Rebel Moon from this movie. Maybe
the Samurai portions, because there's a lot of people with like they have I
think their their lightsabers or like fire swords or something like that, Like they're
like magma swords or something, So maybe you'll get some sort of Samurai stuff
there. But uh, speaking of that, the one with like the knife
sequence when they're when they're fighting the chef. I did like how they incorporated
I think like like the fantasy world element of like some sort of sacrifice and
then that leads to like the rocket getting stabbed like that was kind of fun
of like having what's actually happening and that just really over the top sci fi
sense because like she what does she even do? She like throws them off
of the the the train, right, yeah, yeah, that's right,
and then that's what saves them where she kind of makes the sacrifice to get
stabbed by by the chef. So like that sort of like uh, just
I don't know, like staying yeah, thank you, Yeah, that was
that was cool usage there, although I didn't love like visually what was happening
on screen, again, like I did appreciate the attempt of the execution,
and I think that's just like the theme throughout the entire movie. For me,
it's just like I want to give them more because I do appreciate like
the wildness of the decisions. It's just you know, you can't just praise
them if the execution was was lacking. So what do you guys take that
as? Then? Do you take that as the action stuff is just like
a fever dream as something they're going through like a full at do as Joker
two coming out? Or is this like an actual stuff that's happening and it's
like reflect dan the world, like how do you what do you look upon
the action other than I feel it's just like a movie, like Okay,
we can do these cool action stuff like actually in the movie. Because I
feel like my issue with it is it works both ways, and that makes
it not work both ways for me. I wish it was more committed to
one. I know, something'd be like oh, that's the fun, you
know, because it's choose your own adventure. But I think I rather just
Okay, this is not all real or this is like this is actually happening,
and it's like you said, like the Matrix where the matrix isn't real
but it's still real, right, like you can die in the matrix.
So I don't think the movie makes it clear enough, but I wasn't sure
if you guys had like a what way you looked upon the action world?
For me, that's one of those things that like fits in with the melodrama
where I just think she is just doing a dance and it's like a really
cool dance. And the melodramatic part is like how people are reacting to it,
like Oscar Isaac, who's like this evil guy is like, oh my
God, it's such a beautiful crime. It's changing my like emotional my heart.
My heart grew three sizes that day. All this stuff is like so
over exaggerated for this person just doing this dance, and like, of course
we never really see the dance. We have to imagine when she's flipping doing
a jump over Samurai, that she's doing a jump in real life. So
to me, like, I guess my canon for this movie, but then
like the ending kind of throws all all of my my canon out the window.
Is that like I I don't think she ever was in a mental asylum.
I think she just was sent to like a brothel, uh, and
she was envisioning that as like the as as a mental asylum is essentially like
as a prison. And then all those sequences are just in her head and
only her head, which that was where I got a bit confused too,
because there's all like the movie is kind of setting up like, oh,
this lobotomy is gonna happen in four or five days, so that's kind of
the impetus for why she needs to get out of here so quick. But
like, so, however, these other characters also got lobotomies, And is
that why they are the way like they seem normal all things considered. So
is she the only one that a lobotomy? Is that like a why why
would be? Why would she be the only one to get one? I
took it like she was the only one that got lobottomized, because like it's
it's not really like a strong reasoning, but I just took it as like
that is why the stepfather paid Oscar Isaac was was to do that. But
like because of the characters really like just kind of their behavior, it doesn't
seem like they're lobotomized kind of what you were touched upon, But they also
don't clearly say one way or the other. So that's just the way that
I like, either hear what happened, No exactly, but like it is
an option obviously that Oscar Isaac and crew are offering these sleazy individuals. Yeah,
it's one of the bones bonuses you can pay for. But I don't
know how else did you guys take it. It's hard, it's hard to
tell who's been put here by by who, obviously because we're lacking backstories with
their characters. We're a sweet sweet pea and her sister. It sounds like
like go when you see mom, like like like tell her I love her
whatever they rocket was saying. So it makes the implication that their family didn't
put them in there, how were they putting it? They did, And
that's where it's tough with like we we're talk about at the beginning with the
dad and the earnings. Maybe in this world because he's a man, if
he just just killed them, he gave them money. So clearly I think
they're trying to make it away where women are you know, brought in their
abuse and stuff. Again, there's a pair of those our world, but
even higher sense in this world where yeah, they just found these two women
not living with their family, so that gives them the right just to like
incorporate them into this because yeah, they just chose to run away, So
that doesn't make how did they get there? But I think it's just kind
of like almost like a sex trafficking thing sort away like don't so it's like
it's just a brothel that they took advantage of it. So nothing legal is
happening there. But so where do you guys think the the insane asylum part
falls into it? Then? Like is that is that existent? Whatsoever is
the lobotomy because that kind of fits like aesthetically the theme, like that section
with the loboto. I guess that could just be like some hidden room in
this big brothel place, or like maybe that place is like using mental asylum
as like they're covering on the outside, so it could be, Yeah,
I don't know where the Yeah, the reality, and I think that's what
it is. I think the mental like the probably like health center is the
cover. And then they use some of these people for dance or whatever.
Probably other people that aren't like the attractive young females, they might be using
them for other means. And then so I could see it being like a
building adjacent or even a similar floor, because it doesn't seem like they take
that much time to get from to and from. So yeah, I think
it's in the same vicinity. And then it's just a kind of and and
I guess they're still running in asylum, right, so I guess they're still
making money off the government that way too. As far as you guys are
saying it's it's all one, it's not a dream sequence, because I'm pretty
sure that the club scene that's all a dream hallucination sequence, what's real?
Yeah, see, I'm adilan that you could argue that it's not because it's
tough because he I know Oscar Isaac has that mustache, but could just easily
be like a Gomez put on mustache with you. But even the lighting is
different, and I feel like that's yeah, but describe it as being a
different piece, like in her mind it could be. It could just be
different locations, right, Like that's what people use that for lighting as well
too, So I like it it's tough, like and I I would I'd
knock it down points if it's if it is all one location, that would
be I would not be great, see, and I would knock it down
points if it's that way. I don't want it to be all a dream
because then it's just this lady sit there, me and these people. But
like there's a point to that because the way Oscar Isaac is looking pretty to
shovel at the end. But even then, like he has the stab wound,
So but then how could the how can the cops come in? Can
you your theory? Well, my well, my theory is that it was
a hallucination of My theory is that like it's all the doctor. Like in
this world where the doctor has no say as a dancer and she's just she's
owned by Oscar Isaac's that's that. But in this world, in the real
world, she actually has pull. She got the cops in there, and
she made her reports like yeah, this is bullsh shit, like we're dealing
with this, this is horrible, and that's the actual, real, real
result of what happened there. But then what so what happens in the movie
then, like none of it happens like you think, like she gets to
the asylum. The timing of things, the time of thing is the things
is weird because she gets to the asylum, she talks to the doctor,
has some some moments there. But then where this escape takes place, of
gathering these items and her getting the lobotomy, I could not tell you.
And that's probably just the poor time of the film because when she is in
the chair getting the lobotomy the needle, then that's when everything happens. But
as she's being walked out, you see where the fire was, you see
where certain events had taken place of their planned escape. But then I don't
I don't understand where that fits between the lobotomy happening. I I feel like
I'm kind of more on Taylor's path on this one, because I really took
it like the whole brothel stuff, purely because where they are in the like
the hospital sequence, it's very like sow lighting. It's very like gross and
creepy. And then and then as soon as he's about to or she's about
to get the lobotomy, it goes to this, like again, it's a
terrible place it is. It is like a brothel, but it is still
like brighter and like seems I don't even want to stay happy because it is
such an evil place as well, but it just seems more fantastical than what
the hospital is. So I actually took it like the whole thing was the
hospital, and then all of these events like oscarys are getting stabbed. It
kind of happened a similar fashion other than obviously all the dancing sequences, but
like she still stabbed him at some point, but maybe it was just I
don't know, in the hospital type room. But they don't clearly say one
way or the other, and that's what's kind of fun about it, I
guess. But but then what doesn't line up is then why in those sequences
would oscaries like if any power over the doctor at any point, Well,
in the in the asylum, I think it wasn't power over her. Nobody
in the dream sequences. Right, if we're saying, hey, oh the
far happening here in the escape here, you can say, okay, real
world, dream world, then you match everything up. But in the dream
world the whole time Oscar Isaac was over, that doctor had power saying like,
oh they might be your dancers, but I own you. But then
if we go to the real world, then the doctor has control of ross
g Isaac. It doesn't make sense. Well, I think I was just
gonna say, I more so of like he's able to do certain things where
just by like being in his position, like he can get access to these
girls without the doctor really being able to stop him. Not just so because
he has the authority, but because she has no idea that like she can't
micromanage everything that's going on, so then he can do these sleazy things around
her back. And then that sequence I took it more so like he like
he's cocky in the sense of like I can do whatever I want and you
can't stop me. Not so much because I own you, but because I
like I can just get away with it. And again maybe I'm stretching there,
So I don't know if you guys are super strong or against me either.
Well to I'd like the confusion part for me is like I had this
theory the whole time, but then I I truly feel like that scene at
the end kind of throws everything up in the air. It's where I don't
really feel convinced on anything, but like if if I'm not understanding the movie
at all, I kind of have to go with my theory because like otherwise
I don't really get any of it at all. Yeah, that's kind of
where I'm at. Yeah, it's tough with those right because I feel like
there I don't think they're doing the fight club route where it's okay, everything
at the end makes complete, mostly complete sense they're trying to do. I
think like they leave it up for interpretation, but I just feel like when
you do that, you gotta watch how many holes, like how many paths
you give? And I think this movie gives too many paths for being too
many, Like, Okay, this thing happens here, but then in since
this doesn't make sense, here because I still have problems with the oscar as
a good doctor thing, because there's just times where it's just like he's just
so owning that situation where the end she's owning the situation. It's just like
it's it's a little odd, and then you just get into stuff with the
dad and oh yeah, I don't know. It is one of those that
the more for me, I pick it apart and think about it, I
unfortunately start to like it less. But because even then, it's just like,
what's everything happening with the John sequence with the lobotomy at the John?
What did I call him? Did I call John Ham? You said?
You said John? Okay, I thought I called John the bottomy for a
second John Ham's sequence at the end, which that was one that was heavily
changed. But it's just like, what's the meaning to any of that?
You know? It's just like because like he's just like a the botany guy.
Like it's just like that's literally it. He's not. I'm assuming like
they are all pieces of shit, I guess, but like I was waiting
for something more, there's nothing more with him. He's just like the doctor
performs a lot of the bottomy. So why she having like this sequence where
he may or may not be sexually assaulting her, He may or may not
be a good guy. It's just like nothing comes with that. So it's
just like, what's that. That's where it's like the stuff where if you
want to do these things, I don't know if you're putting them to be
making Oh there's more confusion here, But then it leads to more confusion in
a bad way because that that whole sequence, to me, doesn't it doesn't
need to be in there. Again, it was a difference, like I
I'll bring up the trivia now because there was a difference. There's a whole
other thing in there with the John ham thing. Let me find here because
let's see. Okay, So, originally a scene between the high roller which
is John Hanna and baby girl where he seduces her and makes loves to her,
the NPA demanded be cut down. The scene ended up looking like he
was taking a vange of versus. Zack Center felt that sent the wrong message
and only cut the scene all together, later featuring in its full form director's
cut, which I don't think really, I guess that's the one here.
And then Jackson and Browning have vocal their displeasure of the situation. To me,
that's where that fits the theory of this being a brothel the whole time,
and what they're setting up is that he's not actually doctor, like doing
the lobotomy. That's just like the vision that she's having from the actual reality
of it being this brothel where instead of actually being a doctor and coming in,
he's just like, yeah, some random guy coming in to have sex
with her, and they're using the little bodomy as like taking her virginity,
and that that being like the parallel that is happening in in this other world.
So a scene like that would maybe reinforce that quite a bit more or
else, like, why would he be doing that other than just like that
being some weird graphic scene that Zack Snyer wanted to film for some reason.
Yeah, And I just always don't like the scene because I know, like,
and I get that's what he said right where, like because that was
the scene. So I think because you guys had that scene right where it's
John Hamm and he's like has the eye makeup and they're like talking and everything
like that. Mm hmm. Yeah, So I don't think that's actually in
the original movie. I think the only cut that's out there now is like
this extended one and there's still more to it. But like when it's the
NBA demanded be cut down and scene end up like he's taken advantage and Sny
didn't want to have that message sent. I feel like the NBA was right
in that situation because I feel like I get what he's going I don't know
what he's going for, actually, I get in a sense where it is
baby doll like like because it's this guy, I think what he's trying to
say, that he's not wanting to treat her like prostitute, that he actually
sees something in her, and like it's a perfect woman's situation, where a
pretty woman's situation where they she's a pros to but he would like in a
sense like or like Shmie Skywalker, where he would like buy her, but
like that would be his wife and they they would be an actual couple.
But at times the scene does come off very like creepy, and I think
that creepy, yeah, And I think that's the way, whether it's Ham
or how he was directed, it doesn't come off that way. Because she
is saying yes to everything and it is like all consensual, but also at
the same time he has bought her, so it's like lots of times people
just have to be consensual. So it's the scene that I understand why they
were budding heads them in the NPA, because it's like, I agree that
Zach may A film like, oh, that wasn't my intention, but when
I watched him, like that might not be your attention, but it didn't
play the great like how are the scene was layered? It didn't play the
greatest for me because also, what why is baby doll didn't like? I
guess it's her way out. I guess it's like, great, there's this
nicer guy who's not gonna abuse me and take me out of here. But
it's just like it's a and just comes in so late too. It's like
we've seen John Hamm a couple of times within out of nowhere. He's like
this character and they kind of set him up like he's gonna be another piece
of shit guy, and I don't know, I really didn't like that entire
scene honestly, because yeah, they are leading up to this high roller being
this just this big, bad essentially like this big I'm assuming creep that's just
gonna yeah, like have sex with her for money in at the final sequence,
and then when we get to it, he's like he is like,
it is kind of a twist on maybe what you would be expecting because it
is just John Ham being charismatic and he's saying all these things. But like,
I feel like the entire situation goes against kind of what he's saying,
because she wakes up in this bed with these two girls that are like stripping
her, and then he says these things like, yeah, I don't want
to force you to do it, but like if you do it, like
I'll you'll be free and all these things. It's like, if you're in
this situation, why would she Like you're kind of only giving her one option,
right, like you ether get out of here if you have me by
your choice air quotes. But it's like that's not really what's going on.
So it was a very confusing scene. And also just yeah, it's like,
oh, this is such a nice guy that's offering me this, but
like at the end of the day, like she has no other option.
She's between a rock and a hard place. So I really really just did
not like that sequence I was expecting. I mean, I kind of I
didn't have high expectations, but still I think for how the scene was opening,
how the dialogue was starting, I was expecting to go somewhere else and
then he's like on top of her, about to get ready for action.
It's just, man, what are they doing here? This is weird.
They make so much. Zuomin's on the tie. I'm like, Oh,
she's gonna get that and strangle. I'm like, she's gonna kill with That's
what I thought was gonna happen. But then she's just like into it.
I'm like, oh, right, and I get the idea because then I
think they try to transfer into like she's like because he says that the doctor's
like, oh, look like she like wanted it, so like they feel
like they're trying to make it seem like she wants the lobotomy so she can
get out of there. But it's just like it's just too many wrinkles.
There's too many layers, and not in a good way where it's just like
they all start to fall apart. They're all pages of different books, they're
not on the same book. Because like that leads to the bottomy, but
the bottom he didn't do anything because when they shore face, it's completely normal
and she's fine and she is like a, I don't know, does she
have a power. Is it just a real world thing? Oh? I
just got frustrated more talking and thinking mm hmm. Yeah. And I feel
like it was also kind of for me, it was very weak to to
for the the positive ending. Not that every movie needs a positive any but
they tried to do one here with the other character. I don't even let
me sweepe is sweetpe the character. Yeah, yeah, it with sweet Pea
getting away on the bus and all that, and it's like, I don't
I don't care about this character whatsoever, Like she has not had an intriguing
plot in any way. So to me, that wasn't it didn't really achieve
its goal. And I feel like you didn't you didn't really need that altogether,
especially when like two of those other characters, Vanessa Hudgens and Jamie Chunk's
characters just like randomly gets shot and die and there's like no fanfare for whatever
gets like the bigger scene with the getting sad and whatnot, But it just
it just doesn't work for me. Yeah, in general, get stitches,
get stitches. Jos nuts, bitches get stitches. They do too, you
know. Yeah, but he said, he says that line. I was
like, all right, he says that line. I was like, Okay,
that was strange. But because he kills them too, but then keeps
the other dancers, like these girls were all actively trying to escape as well.
Yeah, I don't know. Again, I I just would have preferred
them just stick with the strip, all the what's real and what is And
I actually liked the idea of there's this girl, she's putting a broth with
the other girls. They want to escape. I think they there's moments where
they could have some more chemistry, but a lot that's just action and you
don't get there. I like Genna Malona's rock and I've always liked Gena Malone.
She always pops and like movies like this and Hunger Games. She's an
interesting actress. I know she's playing a gigantic spider and redible moon, so
we'll see how that goes. But yeah, so yeah like it. Like
I like the natch building of you know, she saves that from the cook
or girl from the cook, and then they started to be like, oh,
we could maybe trust her, and I like the idea of the doctor
being like she wants to like she's she's a part of this, but only
a part of this to try and make sure that girls don't get hurt or
killed, Like she's not for the brawl, for the dancing. But it's
like it's the lesser of two evils, which that I believe more than baby
Doll, maybe being like falling in love with John Hammond a minute being like
oh, yeah, like I could love you. I do want to do
this. It's like, yeah, that does That's not the right thing.
And when they get killed, I love like Carla does a great acting job
of like, you know, portraying that. So like there's there's there's moments.
All my moments are more in the middle of that section there. The
cook is dumb. I don't know why he believes these girls are gonna dance
from and I don't think anything to go down, like this girl just beat
the shit a couple of days ago. Like I guess he's just an idiot
character. So there's he's even yeah, there's logic jumps even in the portions
I like. But I for the doctor I was really wanting more. I
feel like we got like seventy five percent of the way for like a great
arc, like a great written character, but they just kind of let it
go from there, because, yeah, they are setting her up that she
is kind of caught in the middle amongst all this, like she is looking
out for the girls, but she is still like she's a she's in a
bad situation working for these terrible individuals, but she she shows like she has
some heart there. But I just think that we don't get enough moments amongst
her maybe and the girls of like maybe saying or like maybe finding out a
little bit more about like what their plot is and then helping them out in
that sense. She's just kind of she's just kind of this like interesting persona
of a character. But I just think we don't fully get there to make
her really like by the end of it, it's just like, what,
like what was the effort there? Yeah, Yeah, great great representation.
There definitely a half baked idea for that character. And man, the scene
between her and Oscar Isaac in that office that was such a great scene,
like acting wise, for both of them. I thought Oscar Isaac like because
up until that point, maybe maybe you guys knew, but for me,
I like I didn't really know that he was like the main head hauncho.
I thought he was just kind of a worker there, mostly because of where
it's set up in the hospital sequence at the start, like it really does
seem like she has a higher position than him, and up until that point
seems like he's always like making like business decisions and then she does have the
ultimate say amongst these girls. But like right there, he like the total
power like strong arm on her and just really brought that like evil charisma,
like like he really felt like an imposing character. I mean that's just I
feel like great execution from Oscar Isaac in that sequence of really pulling that off.
I want to see some more like bad guy rolls from Oscar Isaac because
like him and ex Makana too, Like he's just he's so great when he
brings those moments very like charming charismatic character as well. But I think he
can definitely take that switch to the sleazy type roles, which yeah, I
want to see more from him, but yeah, a little bit disot especially
like I feel like I haven't seen Carla in too many things. But everything
I have seen her in she I do like her enough. I think my
only one to really plump for right now is like Spy Kids. But she
is really great Watchman. Remember we reviewed that Watchman. That's right, Okay,
there's a big theory that if Snyder's universe kept going that she was going
to be cat his Catwoman and stuff, and I feel like that her and
in Justice League, she did she have a voice or something? Yeah?
Okay, oh well and the other stuff you need to watch all the Mike
Flannagan Netflix stuff like Hillhouse and House of Usher, Like, she's great and
all that stuff bs same voice. She's the ship voice for both of the
ship voice. Yeah, I know it's funny that her, like Snyder and
Flannigan both like just keep putting her own project. But yeah, all the
Netflix stuff she's steal as well as a voice as well all over in a
voice in the DC universe. But no, she's she's great. She's one
of the more underrated actresses out there. She's Gerald's game. Another good Mike
Flanning did you see did you see that one? I did see that one.
Actually, she's just always She's one of those people that like you'll never
like, remember, I can't fucking pronounce her last name Classic Drafts. But
like, you know, when she shows up, it's gonna be good.
You don't know if the movie's gonna be good or the show's gonna be good.
But the Rock, well, I haven't seen that, so I don't
know. I'm sure she's in. There's ROCKEX wife or something. Definitely at
wife camera ifits X or not, she's she's married. What is the other
rock movie? With the Tower is one leg? We gotta do a double
feature? I think one of these movie nights we gotta do because we keep
talking about San Andres and Sky like just keep coming up with these fake movies
and it could be a good afternoon and watch along. I feel like I'd
rather watch it with people than just alone. But oh yeah, no,
we can't watch for that. That's sad. But she's great. I'm sure
she's great in uh San Andres you know. Soya random thing that I was
looking really hard to try and find some interviews with Zack Snyer from back in
the day about this movie, and unfortunately, like it was very hard to
find anything at all. And I think the SEO is taking over because I
guess there's a lot of talk of yeah, doing this new Snyder cut now,
so like even every article was like twenty twenty three or twenty twenty two
and what. Yeah, But yeah, I found a couple of things.
And one thing that it seemed like happened with this movie too was a change
from an R rating to a PG thirteen. Uh. And I'm curious how
that changed. I'm curious what that changed about about the movie, whether that
was like some of the some of the stuff with even just like the tone
of like the music and maybe some of the melodramaticness, like I wonder if
they really amped it up in like Okay, let's target this to more of
like this is a perfect movie for a teenage boy who just wants like haw
girl doing like crazy percent I see from the Warner Breas like TV movie.
Yeah, and it didn't work because the movie cost eighty two million box office
eighty nine million, so it was a loss. And but the they are
definitely banking on young teen boys. Yeah, I'm curious, like how much
of the other tonal stuff like changed when they made that decision of maybe even
like some of the music changed to something that would fit more of that audience,
even though, like I said, it really fits at all. But
yeah, there's obviously between the sexual stuff and the violence and whatnot, you
could easily see this changing into an R rated movie without much changes, and
the whole ending's changed. They didn't do that. That's one of the things
Snyder talked about this past week with Real Moon is that they're working with Warner
Brothers, and one the pitch might be even trying to get Genna Malone Emily
Browning to come back and film some new stuff for this ending, because there's
like a whole ending they didn't film. So that's the thing been tough about
you. I'm like, I don't know. It's one of those things where
like I don't want to say that he's just talking out of his ass and
like he's just bullshitting because obviously he like kind of did this with Snyder cut
where he came back and like it's actually good, and I don't want to
say that that was the case here. But I just find like when I
was going back and all these interviews I could find for back a day,
he's just talking about like trying to defend the movie and saying, oh,
they just all these scenes and the movie I want to make is not reflective
here, and I kind of just hate those excuses, but like maybe they're
valid. It's so hard to say, well, yeah, I was talking
about this Emily the other day because that's the whole thing, where like relmonoffs,
you're not getting great reviews, but like it's I agree, it's stupid.
That's the two hour cut, and then in April the three hour cuts
coming out right, and I just feel like it's like after Justice, Like
I just realized that for not that it has to, but I think Snayer's
best route is he has you have to let him do his long stuff and
it has to be R rated. And maybe some people might argue that should
be a TV show, and maybe it should be, but I feel like
whatever box he's in, like that's the way. Like I feel like it
always ends this route, and I'm not saying that's gonna make it better because
I don't know if the I I think the Just League situation is a lot
different. I don't know if like a bunch of some cuts and some new
stuff out of this movie overall will make it work, because I think there's
still some stuff condemned. Actually, yeah, I think maybe they'll like help
it, but I think overall in the middle there's still stuff like this doesn't
work and this doesn't And I mean even then, like any grab any director
and get them ten years later to oh yeah, they can make a new
cut of their movie and they can film new things where it's like, okay,
well it's not just a cut of the movie at that point. Now
you're talking about how oh, maybe with ten years of hindsight, I can
say that this movie wasn't very good and I want to change things in film
new scenes, Like anyone could do that. I'm sure, Like grab Nolan
from like a bat, I'm sure he'd like things, you know, like
anyone looking back at their work with a critical eye all these years later,
I'm sure would come up with some changes. So it just seems like a
bit of a cop out. But at the same time, like, who
am I to say that? And it was because that's one thing I was
really trying to find these interviews, is like how much was the melodrama intentional?
Because it just seems so weird and off putting and inconsistent to me,
and I wanted to like find some interviews or who was talking about, Like,
oh, this this tone that I was going for. But like,
unfortunately, none of the dialogue about this movie is actually about the movie.
It's just about how like it was not the movie he wanted to make.
I'm like, well, what was the movie you wanted to make? Like
told me that was what wasn't from what we got here. But yeah,
yeah, yeah, no, that's what I'm gonna do when the Geekers movie
comes out and gets terribly weird. So oh that was in the movie.
I want to make you know, there's a studio. There's a cutout there.
Yeah, hey, for studios. Came down to me hard, the
the god, the owners, you know, yeah, the lawyers, Yeah,
anything else. I got trivia, of course, but anything else specifically
to shout out scenes moments before we end this. I'm all, no doubt,
no doubt. Uh, the the noble man dude. I was getting
major like Bill vibes from Scott kill Bill. Yeah, yeah, that role
was written for him specifically, and I guess him and Snyder are good friends.
They've been they were working on that role for years. But yeah,
Scott Glen always uh always quality. He shows up, does what he needs
to do and like, yeah, you'll you'll see he's in Daredevil for all
three seasons, Kirkland, so when you guys eventually retch for that in a
very similar type of role. Yeah, that was probably my favorite character in
this just because of the devil part of it. I'm like, it's so
fun that he played this type of character before. And regardless, So I
actually did really like the ending of the bus scene, like I agree with
deal where other than us just carrying like we want this one to get out
of there because it's terrible situation. There's not much investment there, but I
love the cops stopping her and every time she goes to ANSWER's like, no,
she was with the whole time. She just had to pee like his
earnestness. Yeah speaks volumes in that scene for sure. Yeah. So at
least, like the very end of the movie, I'm left with like a
nice little warm, fuzzy and it's good because like, so far the movie
has just shown every single I'm not going to count on Ham, every single
man is like a piece of shit. It's like, okay, there's still
it's the same thing algoryth for our world. There's there's tons and millions of
terrible men out there, but not everybody's in This is Scott Glenn character who
like, if there's a real universe saying that share, then okay he knows
something. If it's not, it's just like, oh, this is just
some random bus driver that doesn't want this girl to get in trouble over at
her, and he's willing to lie and put like his like little career online
because the CoP's could have been more dicks and been like, well, we
want to see your ticket, we want to know more, but they believed
him because he sold it. So I I like that as a nice little
ending. There. Again, though, when she's in the real world and
she takes those clothing, even the railroad looks like shit. I hate like
the background and like the hey, it's just again it looks like the volume.
That's all reminded me of was Bad Star Wars MCU volume, where it's
like, oh, none of this is here and it's just one image that's
being tweaked a bit. So yeah, there any other notes? Uh No,
I think that's pretty much all I got, all right. So,
Jenna Malone, who played Rocket, was so upset by the film's poor reception
she almost quit acting, so there ago because yeah, I think it's rocking
like a twenty percent on roten tomatoes and yeah, it's it's a bomb.
It's a big box office bomb. So it's you know, I think this
makes this a very very specific audience. That's just interesting that this is the
one that she was standing behind and yeah like it. I guess they just
misunderstood her. Maybe maybe yeah, maybe she saw those cut scenes and thought
that they would have, yeah, drastically changed the public perception of it.
Yeah, I'm not sure what the reviews right too. Maybe those actresses were
all till like they're bad and this is bad and this is bad and stuff
like Rocket sucks. Yeah, Rocket's the worst. So I can't wait for
them use Rocket each because we did Guardian. No Guardians is not even out.
Yeah, yeah a long time. Uh. Each of the lead girls
under strict or underwent strict physical training, which involved doing dead lists up to
ninety six kilograms. It's about two hundred and eleven pounds, which that is
nuts. I've never fucking I'm not dead. I think I've deadlifted two hundred
a few times. I don't dead did left anymore because I've read enough a
go. It just sucks out your back, So I'll take not being jacked
over that. Hudgens called the period tormenting, and she broke down several times
in the scenes where she's been crying. She actually brought out moments from those
sessions. So I guess they were training pretty hard to uh make this work
and just keeping Yeah, let's see. Emily Browning claims she'd also been considering
giving up acting, but working with zacksonar convincer just stick with it. So
and that's one thing I will say. All acts always said that they have
great experiences was act. They're also I'm sure he seems like a fun guy
to deal with, so you know that helps there. He's randomly looking at
like the chef. I'm like, what are this guy's IMDb looks like?
And he was in Watchman, he was in Man of Steel as well,
so yeah, it seems like you get in the door Zack Snyder and like
like James Gunn like he'll bring you back, you'll be yeah over again.
Yeah, but Man of Steel was like guys Loast movie, So I don't
know what he's done acting or something else. He's still alive. I don't
know. I didn't say he's some chat room wearing a tomb bell mask.
Oh my god, I don't want to envision that. Amily Browning dyed her
hair platinum blonde for the role and died end up damaging her hair in which
it had to be cut to very short pixie styles. That's why if you
look so, yeah, she's a natural redhead. And uh, that's what
you gotta do, because I'm somebody that bleached my hair all the time,
but I never fried it. But people can fry your hair the fuck up.
So I take great pride that there's someone in Hollywood fucking up these stars
hair. And I did it for years on my own. I never had
to fucking just pixie cut it. So let's see, there was originally,
Oh, I talked about that the high role or scene. We already talked
about that it was cut. So again, the ending sound like studio MPa
Snyder. There's a bunch of stuff that they just could not get on the
same page. I'm sure. Maybe that's why he also says his movie.
Maybe he still was just pissed about the ending, right, Maybe he felt
that the ending was stronger, but uh, at the time, this was
the first film's accident I had directed that was not an adaption before. It
was three hundred and Guardian's Galacahool, which I think is something and you got
Watchmen, so yes. Scchlin's role was written for him. Uh uh,
Manda Seifred Olivia Thurbley, which I don't know who Thurblely is Olivia Thurbley.
It's th h I r l b y thoroughly. I try and thank you
and me Machowski. We're going into cat or we're in turn going to be
cast as maybe all but dropped out before Emily Brian was chosen, which was
funny because me and Michewski was the live action alson Winnerland, so it would
have been some big parallels there. She was an Oppenheimer. Who is she
an Oppenheimer? Ah? God, Lily horn Hornig. I don't know.
Oh yes, And is she one of the scientists I can't remember? Yeah,
the luck Okay, I have done Money too, apparently I don't remember
her in that? Is she in dumb money like two or dumb money?
The sequel to what is that sentence? Is she done money too? Or
two? Wo? She is in it as as well? Okay, there,
I was just curious I was scarious with already working on Dumb Money too.
You'd never know, right, they whipped that movie together quick. M
Rachel Wood was the first choice for Rocket, but dropped out to the scheduling
conflict, so jim Alone replaced her. At one point, angel Angela Angelina
Julie wasn't talks for the role of doctor Veric Gorski, so I see,
yeah, I could see that. And then Emma Stone was considered for the
role of Amber, but that went to Jimmy Chung And I think good job
on Emma Stone's agents for not going this route. Yeah, that's a weird
role for her. Yeah, you remember though, right, like I always
forget like easy and stuff like these were like bigger movies, but it's not
like what she's doing now where she's like the next heir to like the best
actress in the world now, right, Like there there was a path at
one point, there's a path to Lulla Land and there's a path not that
way and probably being in Sucker Punch leaves of the path moth that way,
you know, like there there I think Emmaston's Earth timeline, Yeah, like
with her being in that house, spunny, super bad. Her career easily
could have win a different path, Like I think she would have been a
man of steel, she would have been in laying fuck yeah and all these
things. Yeah, oh man should row moon. Yeah. Uh let's uh
Taylor heard No, Dylan found thoughts on tail because you probably the highest score.
So Dylan found thoughts on Sucker Punch. Yeah. No, a very
uh very weird movie, but uh an interesting one nonetheless. Uh if this
Snyder cind Ofver gets released, I don't know if I'll watch it. I
mean, man, it seems like prime geek first content, so maybe I'll
do it, but but yeah, otherwise I don't think I'll ever revisit this
one. Uh yeah, weird movie, there you go. I yeah,
no, pretty much was in the opening. There's kernels of ideas here,
there's moments, but overall, did not enjoy this. I'm someone that doesn't
consider that long like two ten, but it felt long. I paused in
an hour. Its like fuck, there's still an hour left, and like
I said, just just because a lot of that action stuff is in the
movie tons and I didn't enjoy it. Unfortunately, the rest of the stuff,
even the great mysteries like it's not that great, So I will give
this a four out of five. I can't pass it. A four is
for some ideas. I don't think the acting is like overall baden he or
anything like that. I think there's some cool shots here and there. But
uh, yeah, I gotta fail this one a four or five, so
just just under the passing grade. So Kirklin, Yeah, I'm I'm glad
I had a reason to check this one out, because this is definitely one
I would have probably you know, gotten to my end days without ever seeing
this and just never seeing this this adventure I never saw a sucker bunch.
It's tricky because it's tricky because I feel like, again like if it's not
in twenty eleven, maybe these like poorly done like colorful shots of the CGI
things like it probably wouldn't have affected me too much. I probably would have
actually enjoyed those action sequences a lot more. But right now, like,
the only thing I really have to give it is just the like the attempt
of like what they were doing. Like there's definitely this definitely isn't like a
cookie cutter movie, you know, where it follows like the same pattern that
many other movies have, so I'll give them credit in that aspect. I
think I still have to fail it though, just for the overall execution of
it. It's like a hesitant. Yeah, no, I was. I
was thinking like a five out of ten just because of like the anime concepts
that they're trying to bring in here. But you know, maybe it's a
reason that a lot of anime type adaptations to live action don't really execute well
because it is just something that works a lot easier in animated. Because like,
man, if I saw an animated version of this movie, like I
could see this actually being like pretty topp tier, But who knows. I
don't think we'll ever get the anime adaptation of Sucker Punch. It's pretty rare
to get a live action into an animated thing. I guess Scott Pilgrim's like
that, right. I don't know if it started in a comic book or
whatnot. But anyways, I'll give this one a four and a half out
of ten, a little bit of a half step up from Travis there.
But yeah, never going to revisit this one. Snyder cut comes out,
I like I'll ever visit. I think I'm like with Dylan if there's a
I don't know, a big uproar of the fans that make me want to
revisit this, but like, I just don't know what would really be added
that fixes this. But I also kind of said that about the Justice League
thing, right, Like, I was really really discounting this is the whole
Snyder cut thing for Justice League, and I watched it and I'm like,
man, this is actually such a great film. So I don't know,
if you tack on three more hours to this, maybe you get that great
movie. But holy crap, that's a long film already on top of a
two hour and ten minute film. So yeah, film, I'm going to
give it that a seven point five out of ten. I think our conversation
definitely highlighted some things that were very problematic in retrospect with this film that I
definitely did not clue into right away. But talking and breaking down some of
the scenes and how things were inconsistent and some things are poorly explained and covered,
that's all out there now. So yeah, I feel pretty good with
my rating. If there does seem like this is gonna happen like a Snyder
coversion of this is some extra stuff the Snyder Punch, that's what released.
I'm totally I'm totally I'm gonna watch it. I'm totally in whenever this happens,
so it should be a good time. I don't really just make a
new thing. Don't go back to this. Yeah, it's tough, as
if it's the one that got away, right, it's haunting him in the
middle night, haunting him, maybe haunting me. Oh there shown. That
is our Snyder retrospective. Tune in next week we'll be talking about Rebel Moon,
which should be very interesting to see how that goes. So uh,
until then, I'll not be boring. Bye bye.