WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:35.759 Yo, what it dude? What to do? Yeah, this is a 2 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:42.359 fun episode. This is a crossover. Um. Since we have been little 3 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.840 kids, the three of us, we have talked about making music, just 4 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:51.439 geeked out about like our love of metal together and we're finally here. We're 5 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.280 just gonna get into it and what twice Born is and what it represents. 6 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:58.399 And I mean, I'm very excited me too. I'm super pumped. If 7 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:03.280 you guys can't tell by the title, this episode is about our band Twice 8 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:10.319 Born, which we're super, super super pumped about. And Jeremy's I like 9 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:15.200 it. Yeah, So just really quick to give us summary of like how 10 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.879 Twice Born kind of came about, Like we started making music. Well really 11 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:25.079 I just started like making stuff on my computer. Uh, but I had 12 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:30.120 like a two or three year span where I wasn't really making metal music because 13 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.400 I felt like I didn't have the right equipment or whatever. You know. 14 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.560 I have a Fender Strat, which for anybody out there that knows some jazzy 15 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.400 metal exactly to a jazz guitar, it is basically it's like you know, 16 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:45.079 for like really thin strings, right, well, the strings you can I 17 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:51.040 had to put some fat strings onto the strat to get it to sound good. 18 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:55.840 But it's just the the hardware of a strat, the way that it's 19 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.359 built, the types of pickups that are used. It's it's meant for, 20 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:06.040 like, you know, like bluesy stuff or like rock stuff or jazz or 21 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.560 that kind of stuff. So I never thought that I'd be able to make 22 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:14.199 metal music on it. And you know, y'all remember y'all remember my white 23 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.280 guitar right, oh yeah, it was a set right, yes, yeah, 24 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.680 it was the Scheckter. So like way back in high school, I 25 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.840 got that Scheckter and me and Ryan were like, we're making music, dude, 26 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:25.479 we're gonna be able to bend. It's gonna be sick. And I 27 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:31.599 was playing well yeah, yeah, yeah, Jeremy was Jeremy was a little 28 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:35.800 preoccupied with wow, but you know what, we were like people of the 29 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.199 truth. There. Jeremy always the whole time was like, I want to 30 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.479 learn a guitar. He was always interested. Yeah, that's the interest was 31 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:45.319 always there. And of course like me just howling in the car by myself, 32 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.039 which we didn't do it well, trying to learn how to do all. 33 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.800 Yeah, exactly. We didn't know about that until much later, but 34 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.800 at any rate, my my apartment flooded, like you know, four or 35 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.039 five years ago or something like that, and my white guitar got destroyed. 36 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.800 So yeah, I know, rip dude to the goat. So I only 37 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:07.560 had the fenderstrap. I don't think I ever named it. But you know 38 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:13.680 what posthumously a Metallic album? Huh isn't that a Metallica song? You're thinking 39 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.840 of? Ride the Lightning? Okay, yeah, I'm not. I don't. 40 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.800 It's okay, it's okay. You get points for trying, your points 41 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.599 for trying, Ryan I tried. But anyway, Yeah, so I had 42 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:28.879 the fender strap for a couple of years. And you know, because I 43 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.520 had that, I got it because I wanted to have two different vibes. 44 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.319 I wanted to have like the heavy metal guitar and then I wanted to be 45 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.560 able to just like jam to low fire or like bluesy stuff or whatever. 46 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.639 But when the you know, the the scheckter got destroyed, I was like, 47 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.439 well, there goes the metal. But you know, I guess I 48 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:51.479 really think it's because of us doing the podcast and and me kind of seeing 49 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:58.759 like you're really only limited by your own like belief or outlook or whatever. 50 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.080 You know, we may this podcast that we're super proud of just with like 51 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.199 just equipment that we just bought. You know, it's not the most high 52 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:10.960 dollar, amazing equipment or whatever, but we're super proud of it. And 53 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.360 I was like, damn, you know, if that's true, then I 54 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.360 could probably find a way to make it work and do something I'm proud of. 55 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.399 So, long story short, I started making music and then I told 56 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.879 Ryan and he was like, oh, bet, it's a big bet. 57 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.759 We're about to do this. So we wrote all these songs. We're making 58 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:33.319 them, and then we had an idea to get Jeremy on a song as 59 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:38.160 a feature, as a guest, like a special feature exactly. We about 60 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.480 five months ago we were talking about this and we were like, dude, 61 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.319 he can He could probably scream, he does, you know, stuff like 62 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:48.079 that, because the thing about je Jeremy, like one of your favorite things 63 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:53.560 to do is just make weird noises. It's like, I have no impulse 64 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:59.360 control. If I get the feel, if I could let the feel in 65 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:00.680 the scream or do something weird, I want to do it. Yeah, 66 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.319 And it's just it's funny. Everyone loves Oh it's hilarious, everyone loves it. 67 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:09.920 But he would be making these noises that like are like screams. He'd 68 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.879 be being silly, funny way right. But me and Ryan would look at 69 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.319 each other and be like, he has a good like that sound like maybe 70 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.480 we can carve this exactly. So Nick and I were talking one day on 71 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.720 the phone and I was like, dude, how would you feel if we, 72 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:25.480 like, you know, hit up my brother Jeremy and my cousin Warren 73 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:27.839 Because my cousin, you know, Warren's been on the show, so they 74 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.959 know who Warren is if they've seen that. I was like, dude, 75 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.199 scream Warren. Me and you and Warren used to be in one of our 76 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.600 thousands of little shell bands you know that we had are kids. We were 77 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.920 technically in a band with Warren all those years ago. Yeah, and I 78 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.199 knew we could scream, never heard Jeremy actually do it. And I was 79 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.000 like, well, let's get them both on a feature And Nick goes, 80 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.639 no, even better, let's get Jeremy in the band. Yeah. Because 81 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.639 I was like, and I told you this on the phone, I was 82 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:59.360 like, the only thing I could imagine cooler than me and Ryan making music 83 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.439 is Ryan and Jeremy making music. Yeah, true, Like to me, 84 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:08.040 that was the only thing that could make the Twice Born project even more exciting. 85 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.120 You know, I didn't want to just bring in like whoever, Like, 86 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:14.600 oh, we should probably find like another guitarist, or find another bassist, 87 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.959 or find somebody who can bring somebody comfortable, somebody we vibe with and 88 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:25.319 we know and we also always like the same. It's like in metal, 89 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.279 for those of you who don't know, there's like a million subgenres. Yeah, 90 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.360 it's really pretentious. You listen to scream, it's kind of like rap. 91 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:34.319 It's like the opposite of rap, Like there's a there's a culture behind 92 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.319 it. All the rap is way bigger and more popular. It's got the 93 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:40.839 you know, there's I don't know, all the cultures are rap like that. 94 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.120 I'm not super heavy into rap, but there's like trap, there's trap, 95 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.399 hip hop, hip hop. There's all these subgenres, and metal is 96 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:51.319 like probably worse. Oh, it is absolutely metal. Okay, So if 97 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.879 you don't listen to metal, but you do listen to like electronic music, 98 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:00.600 it's the same exact vibe with electronic because people, i mean, the snobby 99 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.079 about it. They're so snobby about it. It's like, that's not drumming 100 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:09.720 based, that's jungle and take it exactly exactly so it can be. But 101 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.319 the reason I say this is we all liked like we were in the same 102 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.879 pocket. We liked all the exact same descore metalcore, a little bit of 103 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:25.480 that post hardcore with the singing up. Yeah, I mean, come on 104 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.639 as romans and I'm not gonna lie. I dabbled into grindcore when I was 105 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:35.680 in high school. I mean there's some good I mean, wasn't grindcore? 106 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:42.160 You know, you know what's grindcore? Like the very first ever in Penny 107 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.319 Doom album Nail Dead Risen and I liked it. Nail Yeah, that album 108 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:54.480 is great or thought kind of like original. Um, what's that band called 109 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.800 Bring Me the Horizon? A little bit like super heavy filthy and wasn't um 110 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:01.720 I wrestled a bear once? Yeah they were Yeah, yeah, a lot 111 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:07.360 of gravity blasts like just it's like it's close to like Swedish black metal and 112 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.480 then yea and honestly yes, but anyway, you know, we all like 113 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.639 the same vibe of metal. I buttered the bread with butter. Yeah, 114 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.360 that's another one. See, I never got super into the grindcore stuff. 115 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.160 But looking back, some of it's like, oh no, this isn't bad, 116 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.079 this isn't I was like super picky, you remember, Yeah, yeah, 117 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.160 I was super picky about it. But anyway, so when the idea 118 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.759 came up with the Jeremy thing, it was like a no brainer. We 119 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.240 were like, if he's in, that's a rat, Like that's it. 120 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.120 Twice born is now thrice born. It's not really, but it's still twice 121 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.440 born. But like we we got the three piece now lfy zero and saw 122 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.480 Gi up in. Yeah, but you know it was funny. It's like 123 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:46.639 Ryan hit me up one day to text and I was like, yo, 124 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.159 you're trying to like scream in our band. I was like, yeah, 125 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.759 sure dude, and he was like, send me a snippet. I was 126 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.840 like, I got you. Like three days later, I sent him a 127 00:08:54.879 --> 00:09:01.000 random snippet and he called me immediately. He was like, dog, well 128 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.480 is that you? Yeah? Nick? I was, I got you and 129 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.120 I never sent it to you. Oh well, that's like I heard a 130 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.440 clip. We're like, dude, we got it. It's real. Yeah, 131 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.960 And I mean I knew though, like all the silly noises he makes. 132 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.919 I was like, dude, bro, that's my thinking was like to 133 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.159 get him as a feature. I was like, how hard could it be 134 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.720 to like push yourself for like, you know, a twenty second line. 135 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:28.799 And Nick was like, no, no, no, no, we get 136 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.080 him in the band. I'd never heard him scream at that point, and 137 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.399 I was like, let's do it. And then I texted you. I 138 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.879 was kind of being sneaky to to like text you to be like gage your 139 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.000 interest. And I was like, well, let me hear a clip. 140 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.120 I want to see what it sounds like. And then I got the clip. 141 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.519 It was game over and we got to work and you're, you know, 142 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.440 we okay, So I guess we could shift into this. So when 143 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.879 we started the podcast Alex, Nick and I and obviously you know, Jenny 144 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:00.080 and Casey and all of us involved in December of twenty twenty was when we 145 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.840 we all confirmed and everybody was like, we're gonna do it. Was it 146 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.000 was It was when you were at my apartment for Christmas. The week it 147 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.159 was like the week before Christmas. I remember we made that that drink. 148 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.720 Do you remember I'm talking about the um Yes, And it was a big 149 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.840 weekend and we had Christmas festivities, and we had been talking about a podcast 150 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:20.279 kind of, but like I wasn't one hundred percent on it. And it 151 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.720 was that weekend we came up with the name and we were like, let's 152 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.919 do this, let's put it out in the summer. We're gonna this is 153 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.559 for real. And we started working on the podcast for like six months, 154 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.600 you know, parking all the websites, getting everything branded and figuring out what 155 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.440 the vision was and all that. And in the meantime was when we also 156 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:43.240 said we're not going to rush because podcast comes first, but we're also going 157 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.840 to make a band. Yeah. Yeah, So for two years now we've 158 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.559 known we were going to do this and we've taken our sweet time with it. 159 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:54.279 So the point being is for the last two years we've been working on 160 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.840 six tracks, and then in the last like four months or five months, 161 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:03.840 Jeremy's been in Evolved and more like three months. Yeah, it hadn't been 162 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.559 too long. Yeah really, yeah, you're right, you're right. At 163 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.559 this point, we haven't said yet, but at this point, the EP 164 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.399 is out. Yes, the EP is out, so go and check it 165 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.320 out. So for those wondering, why's Jeremy only on three of the six 166 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.759 tracks. That's why the timing issue. The timing because Jeremy came into the 167 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.240 epic, came into the equation permanently after we were like mostly done with the 168 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.759 ep Yeah, we did the feature on Katrini, which you know most that 169 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.360 was the second single. Yeah, exactly a lot of people have heard it. 170 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.240 That was our song about Odin. We did the feature and then we 171 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:45.600 were like, this is real, real good. So we definitely need to 172 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.840 get him on more songs. So we did as much as we could for 173 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:54.120 this project. But going forward is Jeremy's the vocalist. Well, I appreciate 174 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.279 that. Yeah, it's been really fun, Like I never expected that I 175 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:01.519 would enjoy that as much as I did. Really, you really dig it. 176 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.399 It was funny. The first time I texted Ryan, I was like, 177 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.240 dog, I can't have anybody around me doing this right, right, 178 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.000 this is this is you know, like being right. And I think after 179 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:15.679 the second time I texted him, I was like, you know I could 180 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.759 do that with an audience. It's kind of cool an audience of ten thousand 181 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.679 people. Yeah, I was. I was honestly the same way. So 182 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:28.799 let's let's go back in time a little bit. Okay, Um, to 183 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.919 our first band, or one of our first bands, Watching the Watchers. 184 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.279 Watching the Watchers when I first started recording, were sixteen and seventeen. Yeah, 185 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.200 yeah, we were We were young and we were trying to make it 186 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.200 happy. But when I first started doing the vocals, you can ask Ryan. 187 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.600 We were doing it at Angel Crespo's house, Shout out Angel Crespo, 188 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:48.600 and I was like, Ryan, that was this Day's Reckoning. Oh, 189 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.480 you're right, You're right. You're our first real song we put out, 190 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.759 You're right, You're right. So with this Day's Reckoning, which was another 191 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.480 time that we tried to make one of our shell bands that didn't Yeah, 192 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.639 that didn't pan out. We've had thou Yeah, uh oh, let's go 193 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:07.080 through a shotgun Apocalypse. Shotgun Apocalypse and then later Watching the Watchers. Yeah, 194 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.399 oh dude, we were fourteen and fifteen. I think when we came 195 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.879 up with that name. That was that was before Watching the Watchers was actually 196 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.919 a thing. Shotgun Apocalypse was actually our first idea, and dude, it 197 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.399 was like at the time it was all zombie movies and The Walking Devil was 198 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:28.600 coming out and we were like, Shopocolse, it's cool exactly. Yeah, 199 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.080 the Zombie EP had come out from Devil's Product, their best work. We 200 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.639 had Shotgun Apocalypse and by the way, most of these projects never even recorded 201 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.840 a single thing. We we would record like half a song and then or 202 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:43.799 just talk about it or just talking about we were kids ideas. Yeah, 203 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.879 it was great. We were just little kids exactly. Well. There was 204 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:52.639 also we we like for a day, we had a band with Warren Exalt 205 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.679 the Fallen Xalt the Fallen, and we recorded half of a song YEP, 206 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.720 and it never went anywhere. I was technically in a band with Chris Fox 207 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.159 shout out Chris Fox and Kevin Fox. True technically I was in a band 208 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.039 with them once, but I never recorded anything. So we always like we 209 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.840 always like wanted to do it. We dreamed about it. Yeah, we 210 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:15.200 desired it. We never like knew how to commit to it. We never 211 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.200 knew how to make it like sound right or sound good or whatever, and 212 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.759 so it just like it never really came together. But anyway, yeah, 213 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.320 when when uh, when we were recording the vocals for This Day's Reckoning, 214 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.480 I told Ryan, I was like, you can't be in the room. 215 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.120 I was like, I was, I don't think I was at the house. 216 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:31.840 No, I was there. I was there. I was in the 217 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.759 living room. Yeah, I was like yeah, I was like yeah, 218 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.639 yeah, I just felt like nerve. Yeah it is. It is like 219 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.440 just really weird for for whatever reason. But you know, this time around, 220 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.200 I'm like, I don't give a shit, I'll do whatever. But 221 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.320 um, yeah, So I thought it would be cool to, uh to 222 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.519 rattle off some of our favorite metal bands so that people can get the general 223 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.720 vibe, like now or all time all time. Okay, yeah, I'm 224 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.440 gonna let's let's try to each throw out three of our like all time favorite 225 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.080 and we can go one by one or that's tough, Yeah, let me 226 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.159 go last or second. I'll go first. The band that I would say 227 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.960 the band that I was first into that kind of brought me into the metal 228 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.879 world was kill Switch Engage. Yeah. So for those of you that don't 229 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.399 know kill Switch Engage, they're like what would you call them? They're like, 230 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:28.399 I would say, like typical metalcore or like metal. That's a good 231 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.759 voice. It's very operatic. Yeah yeah, maybe like melodic metal. Yeah 232 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:35.679 yeah yeah yeah, melodic metal, but you know what, it's very pretty 233 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.080 yeah, you know, harmonies and yeah, and I think the thing that 234 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:45.120 probably drew me to them the most was their Their lyrics were always so positive 235 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:50.639 and uplifting and like empowering. It wasn't Christian technically, but it was like 236 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.799 kind of like that positive and happy ending also spiritual. Now knowing what I 237 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:02.360 know about like esotericism and you know this kind of stuff, going back and 238 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.799 listening to their lyrics, it's like some of it is very mystical, like 239 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.440 it's it's more on the mystical side than the Christian side. So anyway, 240 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.960 Um, Jemmy, you have one in mind. Um, it's hard to 241 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.559 narrow it down to three because it's like several stages of my life, this 242 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.360 one, like this band that meant so much to me and like it still 243 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:23.159 does, like at that point in my life and at this point in my 244 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.080 life and that. But if I had to say, like the first band 245 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:33.240 that gripped me into the genre, they really like the cemented it for me, 246 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.159 the metal was my jam. It was August byrend Red, Let's definitely, 247 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.120 but there's a few others before that, but August Brendred was the first. 248 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.840 Like Okay, that's that's good, that's that's that's good. So if 249 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:48.200 we're going by like that first band, the most and reactful. Yeah, 250 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.639 that like hooked you into the genre. For me, it was Devil War's 251 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.799 product. That's that's awesome. You know what's funny. You'll you'll remember this, 252 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:59.159 I'm sure at first, like when when we all first started hanging out, 253 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.480 I hate August Burns Read and Devil Wors. Yeah you did. I 254 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:04.359 was all like me, me, me, me, me, me me. 255 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.759 I don't know why I was knob Yeah, it was something like that. 256 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.359 I was like, oh, dude, the production is not as good 257 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.680 as Engage or like you know whatever stupid gripe I had with it. But 258 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.559 like very quickly I got over that, and I was like, you know 259 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.319 what, this kind of actually slaps hard, you know. I remember we 260 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.680 were at uh we were swimming at my house one time and we had speakers 261 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:33.400 around the pool and uh we Dad had like a thing where we could hook 262 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.880 our iPods into it, and Ryan was playing I think it was August Burns 263 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:38.759 Red and I was like, it's this August Ones Red and he was like 264 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.839 yeah, and I was like, okay, that's pretty good. This is 265 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:47.359 pretty pope. Burns Red was my second one, and August Burns Read and 266 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.759 like the drumming, you know, and the style of it was was what 267 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.920 inspired me to actually learn the instrument, right, you know, what was 268 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.000 it about August Burns read that really gripped you, Jeremy, do you remember 269 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:07.400 the camera? His name Jake the front? His vocals aren't like composure blew 270 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.519 my mind when I first heard that. Did you hear the remake of it? 271 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.920 No, dude? They remade composure and whitewashed like wash was also like 272 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:21.119 last year, really yeah, and find that it's cool. It's just like 273 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.799 updated, um like you know, sound like the production is higher quality, 274 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:29.200 but they re recorded it. They didn't just like so it's like, you 275 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.519 know, as his vocals change over the years and it's gonna but also different. 276 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.599 Originally August Burns read their first two albums, Messengers and Constellations, it 277 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.599 was all drop C tuning on the guitar. When they redid them, they're 278 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.920 in drop B, which is lower, so it sounds a little heavy. 279 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.039 It's like had albums before that. Yeah, what was that one call it 280 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:53.160 called Thrills the Elephant I don't know, but the other one was yeah yeah, 281 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.200 oh yeah, so three albums because that one was also Elephant one was 282 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.880 like an EP thing, I think, yeah, and it was like way 283 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.000 heavier and different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a very different 284 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.480 real seeker slaps. It's good. Um okay. So what really drew you 285 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:12.599 into devil Wors product then? Oh? Um okay. So like before I 286 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.559 got into I got into Devilor's product when I was a freshman in high school, 287 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.720 and like before that, I already kind of liked this kind of music, 288 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:26.640 but I felt like I wasn't at a level of maturity to to I 289 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.680 don't know, like you know, as you get older sometimes, especially as 290 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.559 a young kid, you get hooked to things and you grow up and then 291 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:34.400 like you know how teenagers are, they get obsessed with things. Yeah, 292 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.119 And like I liked bands before that, like I Killed the prom Queen. 293 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.680 I liked Suicide Silence when I was twelve, and like really heavy stuff. 294 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.000 But I think when I heard the devil Wors product, it was the singing, 295 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.000 it was the heaviness of it. It was the vocals with Mikeronica. 296 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.400 It was the first time I had heard somebody in one band do like really 297 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.839 good highs and really good low stings, and the singing was fired. And 298 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.200 it was a Christian band you know, so like I you know, I 299 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.960 had all that Christian gil as a kid, and I felt like I needed 300 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.839 to listen to more Christian music. Yeah something about it, man, Like 301 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.839 it was just so good. It like I used to literally go to sleep 302 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:14.720 playing that album every night. Was the first thing you heard from them Plagues? 303 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.960 Yes? Oh nice? Yes, I mean that was you showed me 304 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.119 it was so good. Oh yeah, I think it was Goats on a 305 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:23.440 Boat was the first time I heard, and I was like, this is 306 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.920 amazing. I like the other the second album, the Roots above. Yeah, 307 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.480 yeah, it's it's it's there. Yeah that office reference in there too, 308 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:37.079 assistant to the regional manager. Yeah, nobum hard album is a masterpiece. 309 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.680 Yeah, I think though what you said earlier. Their peak was the 310 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.839 Zombie EP. Absolutely yeah. It was like the perfect blend of the heaviest 311 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:53.119 parts of Devilwars Prada and also like the really cool but somehow eerie like clean 312 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.160 vocals. I just remember playing like multiplayer Left or Dead as the Berserk or 313 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.880 to that, just like, yeah, yes, left for Dead while listened 314 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.720 to the Zombie people. Oh, I know what it is. More specifically, 315 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:10.640 the singing in the Plagues album was more like emo music at the time, 316 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:14.400 because dude, this was like two thousand and seven when everything was Panic 317 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.359 at the disco and all this emo you know, like Chemical, all the 318 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:19.039 Yeah, fall Out Boy, all this stuff was so popular and we're singing 319 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.839 it on MTV and then it was the first time I heard that done really 320 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:27.359 well, like in a heavy metal band. It just blew my mind. 321 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:33.799 Blew my mind. So I think my next one would be I'm gonna give 322 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:38.799 an honorable mention to what was me because they honestly much Yeah, they honestly 323 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.319 changed my outlook on metal too. They threw a wrench in it, and 324 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.799 we're like, this can be it because they are. They were so blue, 325 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.359 no rules exactly. It doesn't have to be rough and tough. It's 326 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.680 like, yeah, it was like really pretty, really groovy. Yeah, 327 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:02.519 and the vocals reminded me of like Backstreet Boys. Yes, you know what, 328 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:07.519 I like Michael Jackson and really found a gig of talented vocalist. Oh 329 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.279 for sure, but Chris Carter, not Tyler Tyler Carter. Yeah, like 330 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.200 you're saying, like at that point, up to that point, it felt 331 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.599 like most metal bands the clean vocals were like emo very yeah, yeah, 332 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:26.240 yeah, not a bad way, but that's yell yes you know, and 333 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:32.359 I love still all that. Yeah, it's still very good. But yeah, 334 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.079 when they came out and had that like that, like Michael Jackson like 335 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:41.240 backstreet pop, yeah, I was like, you can do that and make 336 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:42.920 heavy music. Yeah. So anyway, that was an honorable mission. My 337 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:48.119 actual second one, though is Periphery. Periphery that I feel like that's your 338 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:56.359 all time paper though it maybe it honestly may be. Periphery was just like 339 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:02.200 that was my first introduction to what is called gent yea or like progue metal, 340 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:07.759 which is you know, it's complex, it's groovy, it's like I 341 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.680 don't even know if I would call it like heavy. I mean it is 342 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.720 heavy, but maybe a better word would be like aggressive. It's like really 343 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.799 tight and fast and it's it's like powerful, but it's like complex. They 344 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.680 had all these crazy melodies. The singer from Periphery is also very operatic, 345 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.799 like Howard Jones from kill Switch Engage, so that kind of helped me be 346 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:34.720 like, oh he sings like Howard Jones. That's sick. And they have 347 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:40.240 influenced me a ton, So, I mean from the guitars, they have 348 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.720 like everybody in the band is like the best at what they do. Oh 349 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:47.440 yeah, the Periphery. Periphery is one of those bands to me, like 350 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:53.079 Animals as leaders that they they're like their talent is on one and it's borderline 351 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.480 impossible to replicate. Yeah, it's like I don't even try, don't even 352 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.279 try. They're on a category of throne. Yeah, they really are. 353 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.160 But like Matt halper and the drummer is unbelievably good and fun. Fact, 354 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:10.640 that's the sample we use. Oh yeah, that's the Matt Halpern music. 355 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:15.240 That's our our drums because Ryan has this amazing electric drum set that's so sick 356 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.039 and you can you can like pull other drum sounds to put it in there 357 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.960 so that when he hits the drum it makes that sound. So we actually 358 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.799 bought um, yeah, Matt Halpern's like sample kit and that's what we use 359 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:32.079 on the Twice Born EP. Yeah. Yeah, I totally forgot about that. 360 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.440 Yeah, um but yeah, anyway, that's mine. You got another 361 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.079 one, Jeremy, Um, I want to give an honorable mention to what 362 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.759 led me to August bring Red was all that remains, Yes, dude, 363 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:48.559 I forgot about them though. Yeah, but that's all that great honorable mention 364 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.359 two weeks, dude, that song two weeks. I remember the first time 365 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.279 I heard this calling that dude that. That was the first time I heard 366 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:02.759 a chorus with like sixteenth notes double yes. I was like, you can 367 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.240 do that in a chorus? Like what, Yeah, that's a that's a 368 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:10.319 fantastic honorable mention. Weren't they in the then they have a track on Saw. 369 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.119 Yes, I saw two or three years, Yes, the movie Saw. 370 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.200 I think it was two weeks. It was I that or this callin 371 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.839 Yeah, it was one of those. But my number two is ah is 372 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:23.880 Parkway Drive. Parkway Drive is probably like and it dominated my high school. 373 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.720 I really liked eleventh grade, twelfth grade. I really liked. In the 374 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.079 eighth grade, when I was really getting in the middle, I really liked. 375 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.799 I liked um damn. What's the name of that band? Was it? 376 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.920 Acacia Strain? No? I never liked them, never liked them. 377 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.279 I just never got into them. I liked all the remains I liked. 378 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.400 I killed the prom Queen. I don't know if y'all remember that, I 379 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.039 do, I don't. I don't know. They're pretty good. I never 380 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:53.759 listened to it. And I really got into all shall Parish Parish. Oh 381 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:56.519 my bitter end, my bitter end, my bitter end. Yeah, I 382 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.359 don't know, they're good. You also liked as blunder on the Black Dude. 383 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.960 That was later in the school when I was older. Oh yeah, 384 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.279 yeah. No. Parkway Drive. Oh interestingly, Parkway Drive, their first 385 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.160 like three albums were recorded by the Good They were produced by the guitarists from 386 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.759 kil Starch Engage really Adam d Yeah, he produced him. That's probably why 387 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.960 I liked him so much. Yeah, they're they're they're sick. They were. 388 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.400 They were probably the first band that where I like really leveled up the 389 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.039 heaviness you know what I mean, because they're like personally intertaste, yes, 390 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.079 whenever like that. Okay, august Burn Dread was pulled me into the genre, 391 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.440 like sucked me into it. There's a lot more that I liked, 392 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.200 but um, Parkway Drive was the first time I heard a vocalist that I 393 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.160 thought like, if I ever could do that, I wouldn't want to sound 394 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.319 like that. Dad. That was the first. Yeah, that was good. 395 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.160 That blew my mind. So let's move on from like past um, 396 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.759 what about now? Yea like now like as adults. It's like where we're 397 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.960 at now, that's where I was gonna go next with hard and it's ezy 398 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.839 honorable mention. I am abomination love them, oh yeah so much. They 399 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.519 are so cool, mystical lyrics amazing, their music never ages never, It's 400 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.880 just as good now as it was when we were fifteen. I love that 401 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:17.839 band. But my third, my current obsession and a band that completely changed 402 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:22.880 my outlook on music in general. Tony Danza tap Dance Extravaganza. Yep, 403 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.680 that's a long name. It's the band is called the Tony Danza tap Dance 404 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.279 Extravaganza. They're amazing. Yeah, they they're They're a mold breaking band that 405 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:37.799 you know. That's I've been realizing recently, like one of my biggest draws 406 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.400 to music, something that really pulls me in. It can it can? 407 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.359 You know? This can be present in any genre, any genre of music, 408 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.599 but you have to surprise me. You you gotta, I gotta not 409 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:53.000 be able to see it coming or not bore me. Yeah, sure, 410 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.000 absolutely, Yeah, there are exceptions for sure, But like if I'm gonna 411 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:02.079 be like really obsessed with music, like a you know, a band or 412 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.559 an artist, you gotta you gotta give me something I haven't heard before, 413 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:10.640 right, or even if it's something I've heard before, just just spin it 414 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.720 in a way that I wasn't expecting, or throw it into a place I 415 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:18.519 wasn't expecting, or something to that effect. And like Danza, like they 416 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.200 they started that for me. You know, you showed me them in high 417 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.960 school and I was like, how are they? You know that? You 418 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.880 know the honestly, I have an honorable mention shout out our cousin Grayson, 419 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.640 Yeah, Warren's older brother, because when we were all little kids in middle 420 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.720 school, Grayson was getting into this music and he put me on all of 421 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.599 this stuff when I was in middle school, and like, dude, he 422 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:48.079 expanded my little adolescent mind. He showed me Danza, He showed me kills 423 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.720 which Engage Devils, Prada, I killed the prom queen Um, maybe Parkway 424 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.160 Drive, August Burn, he showed me all of it. Suicide Silence. 425 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.559 He was just putting me onto silent, Civilian Silas Civilian. We were really 426 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.319 into them when we were in like that's metal school, very first metal bands. 427 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.440 Oh yeah, I just didn't bring it in and thing. Yeah, 428 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.000 yeah, he put me onto one of my like all time favorite bands. 429 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.960 I'd say they're definitely in my top ten. Counterparts yeah, yeah, yeah, 430 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.240 that's right. He put me onto them. He was always just like 431 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.640 a connoisseur of like all that. He's got great taste, he does when 432 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.759 it comes to metal music. Yeah, yeah, I remember it was probably 433 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.839 it was probably two thousand and nine or ten, and he was over and 434 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.880 Kim and Warren were over and like, yo, have you heard Counterparts? 435 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.880 It was our first ever album, that one with the song about fallout on 436 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:37.799 and I heard it and I was like death sick, that is sick. 437 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.000 Yeah. Yeah, so honorable mention there, But um um you got a 438 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:48.200 third modern day. It's really hard because, like I'm so torn. I've 439 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:56.400 grown into instrumental metal music like Polifia and and intervals and intervals. You put 440 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:02.160 me onto intervals like you know, J Richardson and stuff. But if if 441 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.839 it's like like a traditional metal band, I would have to say it's one 442 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:11.119 between Um After the Burial or Borno Bessiris. Oh oh yeah, those are 443 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.920 both incredible bands. I was kind of expecting you to say Veil of Maya 444 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.319 because I love Bella Maya. Yeah yeah, but it kind of had like 445 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.960 a vocalist change, and it kind of like it's doesn't it's just not the 446 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:29.960 same. They're still really good. I feel like before the vocalists change was 447 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.680 like heavier. Yeah, for me, my taste was Pete Bro like Enter 448 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.720 My Dreams is one of my favorite songs of all time, and like that 449 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.319 album, the Eclipse album, and then the vocalists change, and I feel 450 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.039 like they're still trying to figure out what they sound. But I still listen 451 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.079 to their new music though, saying if they're new song they just came out, 452 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.319 I can't remember the name of it, Flames. It's not Synth Way 453 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.039 Vegan, is it it is? Oh? Yeah, they have like they 454 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.400 have like two or three more out since that. No, no, no, 455 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.920 no, they have like two more out since Synth Vegan. Oh on 456 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.720 a new album that's coming out this month, Let's go. I didn't know 457 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.359 that they have more music since that. I was never super into them before, 458 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:12.720 but starting with like Matriarch and going forward, yeah, I was like, 459 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.279 oh, this is sick. But after the burial, oh my god, 460 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.880 they are so sick. Born of Osiris as well, but yeah, 461 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.119 those are those are all very worthy of being mentioned for many many years. 462 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.079 Born of Osiris was like, my very favorite band. They're so sick, 463 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.119 very esoteric lyrics. By the way, Oh yeah, super Born of Osiris, 464 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.319 right you right, similar to kind of aren't name? Yeah, yeah, 465 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.160 oh, and I wanted to mention, by the way, the reason 466 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.240 that I came up with the twice Born name was because of something that happened 467 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.279 with another band, y'all. Y'all remember hands Like Houses. They got their 468 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.759 name from a Woe's Me song, So I was like, oh, that's 469 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.200 cool and out of the box. They took like a lyric from one of 470 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.839 their favorite bands and they did that. And then I wastening to Ivy and 471 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.960 Wine by glass Cloud. God they should Honestly, Danza and glass Cloud are 472 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.519 kind of the same slot for me because it's the same it's Joshua the same 473 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.319 guy. Yeah, yeah, that's basically the same thing. That's really my 474 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.079 third slot. It's just Joshua Travis the guitarist. But anyway, um, 475 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.240 I was listening to Ivy and Wine and he says twice Born in that song, 476 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.920 and I was like, Oh, that's it. That's the name of 477 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.799 the band. Like I got that idea because of the whole Hands Like Houses. 478 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.599 Uh, what is me thing right? What's your third did I? 479 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:37.200 I didn't even do my first modern one. I didn't do any of them. 480 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.960 No, that's the third one, is the modern one. Oh oh 481 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.920 Darko? Yeah? I love Darko, and I'll tell you why. There's 482 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.920 it's more than just because they sound so good. I was so inspired by 483 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.119 Darko because, um, when I was a kid, like seventeen, I 484 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:59.880 was obsessed with the movie Donnie Darko. I watched it like seven times, 485 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:06.000 and I just I love that movie. And I remember I was on Reddit 486 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.640 one day. And I don't really get on Reddit much anymore since we did 487 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.920 the podcast, I'm trying to do so many other social media's. But I 488 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.519 was looking on like the um the Death Chord or something some some metal subreddit 489 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.519 to discover new bands, and I saw somebody posted an article saying Emir drummer 490 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.440 and Chelsea Grin vocalist form new duo project Darko, and I was like, 491 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.039 WHOA. I loved Emyr as a kid, I didn't. I didn't really 492 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.319 like Chelsea Grin as a kid because they scared me because they had like really 493 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.279 gory, you know, album covers. But I knew the band, and 494 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.200 I like, you know, I knew they were a big deal, so 495 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.000 I was like, Okay, that's cool. I want to check this out. 496 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.000 And I turn on the song Insects. So the name got me. 497 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.000 The drummer and the and the vocalist and the fact that it's just two people, 498 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.079 and in my mind, I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, 499 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.359 this is what me and Nick are trying to do. So I turn 500 00:33:54.440 --> 00:34:00.960 it on and I heard one song by them, and it was so good 501 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.400 it blew my mind knowing that it was all written and created by a drummer 502 00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:12.519 because Josh shout out Josh Miller from Darko, he is a drummer first, 503 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.000 he's been playing guitar for like two years, three years, And it just 504 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:22.000 blew my mind as a drummer, like this music is rhythmically driven, you 505 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.079 know, and it's different, it sounds different. It just it just hooked 506 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.840 me. It just it changed my tastes, It changed my outlook on things, 507 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.519 and it blew my mind. Yeah, No, they are. They 508 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.840 are absolutely one of those like mind blowing, mold breaking bands. Like the 509 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:37.800 first one I heard from them, I think was Dragon Chaser. Oh, 510 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.440 which to this that's the most popular song, yeah, which I told Tom 511 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.039 when he was here. I was like, that's that's my favorite song and 512 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.320 he was like me too, obviously shout out Tom. Yes, the vocalist, 513 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.480 he's a very good friend of mine. We should be having him on 514 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.039 the show very soon when he gets off tour. Yeah. But um yeah, 515 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:59.920 actually that's funny. Little quick little side note. I had been fall 516 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.119 them on Instagram and I reached out to Tom, the vocalist of Darko and 517 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.679 I obviously in Chelsea Grin, but he really messes with Darko. Yeah, 518 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.159 it's his baby, it's his little baby, you know, Chelseashi project, 519 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.679 it's his passion project. And dude, the new Chelsea Grin stuff is amazing. 520 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.239 Anyway, So I reached out to him on Instagram, told him, 521 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.159 Hey, I'd love to have you on our podcast. He sends me his 522 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:28.079 phone number immediately through email and is like call me. Because I was like, 523 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.440 you know, guest spot for Sick Conspiracy Podcast. I sent a message 524 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.599 saying like, here's my dad, here's who I am. You can google 525 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.320 it if you're interested. I would love to have you on our show. 526 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:42.480 And within thirty minutes we're talking on the phone and we're finding him plane tickets. 527 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.960 Yeah, he flies out and we hit it off, dap it up. 528 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.920 We hang out for like a week, has experiences and now we're like 529 00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.280 really good friends and it's mind blowing sometimes and I still can't process it. 530 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:59.280 So honorable mention, Darko, Chelsea Grin True and here we are. Yeah, 531 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.880 yeah, sure, so that's us geeking out about our our metal obsession 532 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.239 for a minute. Now, now we're gonna throw a little curveball. So 533 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.119 we're gonna we're gonna talk about the EP. Now, we're sure we're gonna 534 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.239 talk about We'll move on from all the yeah tastes and yeah, yeah, 535 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.960 we're gonna talk about the Twice Born EP that just came out, uh last 536 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.280 Friday. From when you're hearing this, Um, the EP is called Mythos. 537 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.840 We knew, I mean, come on, you guys watched the show. 538 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.800 We knew that this was all going to be dripping with esotericism and mysticism 539 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.360 and you know, all that cool stuff or whatever. But really early on 540 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.960 we had I think it was because like you know, the name was called 541 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.239 Twice Born. Um, the really the first song that we did, the 542 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:51.000 first song that we made, which is the first song on the EP that 543 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.800 you get guys, may have heard it's called Amethystos, And at that point 544 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.400 I didn't know that we were going to make an entire EP out different gods 545 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.639 from different mythologies, which, by the way, that is the theme of 546 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.760 the album. It's kind of a concept ep. Every song is about a 547 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.679 different god from a different mythology. But at first, it was just like, 548 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.280 oh, we're called twice born, let's make a song about Dionysus, 549 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.920 the twice born son of Zeus. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's where 550 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:24.239 the name comes from. Twice born is a title that was given to Dionysus 551 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:31.559 because he was like born prematurely because his mother was killed by the Titans, 552 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.960 I believe, and Zeus, you know who is Dionysus' father. Zeus wanted 553 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.960 him to survive, so he cut open his own thigh. Zeus did, 554 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.000 and so Dionysus into it so that he could continue to grow, and then 555 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.599 when he came out, he was like twice born, you know, he 556 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.840 was born twice But anyway, we wanted to make a cool song about Dionysus, 557 00:37:53.920 --> 00:38:01.039 so I did some research about mythology, different stories about Dionysis and whatever, 558 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:10.880 and I found this one super super interesting one about a woman named Amethystos. 559 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:20.199 And obviously that caught my eye immediately because amethysts, amethystals, crystal reverence, 560 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.280 we haven't made one in like fifty episode crystal reference. They're back, 561 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:30.079 baby, yes for this episode and this episode only now I'm kin but yeah, 562 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:31.480 no, we you know, we'd been doing the podcast and I was 563 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.800 like, you know, we'd been talking about crystals and all this stuff, 564 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.119 and we'd been going to buy crystals and whatever, and I was like, 565 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:45.239 oh my god, there's a story about crystals with Dionysus. So that's what 566 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.599 the song is actually about. What we're gonna do for the rest of the 567 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:53.519 episode is we're gonna talk about each song and kind of the mythology behind each 568 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.199 song, the symbolism behind each song, and maybe give you some little fun 569 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:06.360 facts or whatever. So Amethistos it is the story of how the crystal amethyst 570 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:14.079 came about in Greek mythology, And essentially the story is there was this like 571 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:22.360 acolyte or worshiper of the goddess Artemis, and her name was Amethistos. And 572 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.440 if you don't know about the Greek god Artemis, one of her big like 573 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:34.800 kind of champion traits or whatever is like celibacy is like like abstinence, you 574 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.039 know, It's like it's kind of like keeping your power to yourself, you 575 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:45.679 know, and through through doing that. And so in the myth, this 576 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:51.360 acolyte, this Amethistos, she really she worships Artemis and she respects that about 577 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.599 Artemis that she abstains from, you know, her desires or whatever. She's 578 00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.320 celibate, she you know, so she wants to emulate that. She wants 579 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.960 to be like Artemis. So in the myth, she's traveling through the woods 580 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.719 and she's going to make an offering at an altar of Artemis. And on 581 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:17.679 the road to the altar, Dionysus comes down from the heavens and he's basically 582 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:22.320 like, yo, what up, you're hot? You want to give me 583 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:28.719 a baby? And she's like, no, I'm good on that, Like 584 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.639 you get away from me. Because if you don't know about Dionysus, one 585 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.239 of the things he is the god of is wine. He actually created wine 586 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.519 in the myth, in Greek myth, so he's always drawn. Fun fact, 587 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.800 real quick, we did talk about this on our Orphism episode. Check 588 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.679 it out if you haven't seen it. It's just called orphism way back. 589 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:52.960 But the reason that the ancient Greeks called the crystal amethyst was because I believe 590 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:59.159 the word amethystosman purple, right, And the wine at the time was traditionally 591 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.159 from purple grape, so it was purple and they you know, Dionysus purple 592 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.239 wine. Well that factors into the story. Oh okay, and it's also 593 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.519 in the lyrics too. You guys can read the lyrics it. You know, 594 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:14.639 each each song is like an actual myth from one of these characters for 595 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.480 the most part. Yeah, one exception, Yeah yeah we created yeah we 596 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.920 did, we did um. But you know that comes into play. So 597 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.760 anyway, she's going to make this offering. Dionysus comes down. He's all 598 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.400 drunk, he's like trying to you know. He's like, I want to 599 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:30.519 have a baby with you, blah blah blah, all this stuff. And 600 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.360 she's like, I'm I'm good on that. I don't I worship the goddess 601 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:40.599 of the half moon, who is Artemis and so whatever. This infuriates Dionysius 602 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.719 because he's got a big god ego like or you don't like me, you 603 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.719 know whatever, and he tries to kill her. He's like you're going to 604 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:54.440 regret that. Um um. He literally sends like tigers to kill her, 605 00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:00.280 and like he makes like the vines around her, like, yeah, tries 606 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.159 to kill her. She's running from him, She's trying to run away and 607 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.079 get away and whatever. And as she's running and he's chasing, she prays 608 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.559 to Artemis, like, save me. I can't, like, I don't 609 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.519 want him to take this from me. I've been doing this for you. 610 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.880 I've been like empowering myself in worship of you. Don't let him do this, 611 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:25.079 you know, to me whatever, and Artemis in an effort to save 612 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:30.760 because I think this is just speculation, Artemis, I feel like she was 613 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.400 kind of like I can't take Dionysus. I don't think I could take him. 614 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.320 You know, he's he's crazy, he's crazy powerful, which is true. 615 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:45.039 He's extremely powerful. So in an effort to save Amethystos's purity, she 616 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.079 turns Amethistos into a courts statue. She's like, he can't get you if 617 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.920 you're a if you're a giant crystal. She turns Amethistos into a courts statue. 618 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:02.960 You're saved, yeah, and also did though, but but you're curious 619 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.760 how did the purple come into play? This is how So when that happened, 620 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.880 you know, Artemis kind of like scalded Dionysus and like, you know, 621 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.000 what the fuck's wrong with you? Why would you do this? Like 622 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.199 she was trying to remain pure in worship of me, Like why would you 623 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.800 try to take that away? Blah blah blah, all this stuff, and 624 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.280 he was completely racked with guilt. It was like one of the first moments 625 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.920 that Dionysus in Greek myth like kind of has a heart. It's where he 626 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.760 starts. This story is kind of where he starts to go from like just 627 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.599 this drunken, rageful god into somebody who is more compassionate and whatever. So 628 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:45.000 he was racked with grief because he's like, I did this, this is 629 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.760 my fault. And so he took his flask off of his hip and he 630 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.599 poured it on the statue and it turned purple. So I looked it up. 631 00:43:52.599 --> 00:44:00.000 The word amethystos translated from Greek from mefisco, meaning in intoxicate. So 632 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:06.079 that's where that's why they named the crystal. The ancient Greeks named amethyst because 633 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.920 it's intoxicate, but it's the wine the purple wine of Dionysius, and worshippers 634 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.960 of Dionysius would hold amethyst. So the name comes from a Dionysian reference. 635 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.719 Yeah, I had it back. It doesn't mean purple it you know, 636 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.840 that's sick. I mean, yeah, I didn't know that specific, yeah 637 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.320 part, but yeah, So that was the story. That's the story of 638 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.800 Amethystos. And after we made Amethystos, then we were like, yo, 639 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.079 what if every song on the EP is like a different god from a different 640 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.599 mythology, and let's get real weird and esoteric with it. Yeah, let's 641 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:44.679 make the title of every song the Greek name for a crystal. Let's follow 642 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.599 the pattern. Let's let's make a pattern here. If we're going to call 643 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.159 this one Amethystos, let's keep doing it before we move on to the next 644 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.599 song. I do want to say, for the name to me personally, 645 00:44:54.840 --> 00:45:00.480 the name twice born is three layers, which one of those layer is kind 646 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.639 of undone. It's more than just a reference to Dionysus. But if you 647 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:09.079 if you study you know, like the orphic interpretation of Dionysus, which is 648 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:14.559 not just the we talked. I really want to reference to orphism episode here 649 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.400 because it explains a lot of Dionysus in the symbolism behind it and what it 650 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.480 actually meant to the ancient Greeks. And you had two versions of that. 651 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.039 You had the Hellenistic mainstream Greek religion, where like what we're talking about here, 652 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.440 they had these myths and stories that weren't actually true, they were just 653 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.320 metaphors. Yeah. But then you had the Orphics, which were a secret 654 00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:37.280 society of enlightened Greek thinkers who understood the true meaning of these mysteries as esoteric 655 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:43.559 metaphors, and Dionysus was more like a christlike figure, and their version of 656 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.119 Dionysius was slightly different, and it was about reincarnation, you know, because 657 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.199 Dionysus is struck down by the Titans or something like that, and then we 658 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.760 talked about it in that episode. But they take the ashes of the Titans 659 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.760 and they reincarnate Dionysus and he's twice born again, Zacharius, remember. So 660 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.239 to me, the name twice Bourne also is a reference to reincarnation because I 661 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.119 believe, like I believe, reincarnation is the answer. It's the great truth 662 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.719 that that people need to know to be able to function at a minimal level 663 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.320 spiritually. And then the third thing is we were a duo. Yeah that 664 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.719 is now undone, which which we're happy about. Yeah, and that's not 665 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.280 a bad thing, but that was the other layer. Like twice Born, 666 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.559 there are two of us, yeah, you know anymore. You know what 667 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.559 else is funny, Like we had been joking around about, like, dude, 668 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.840 we should make another band with Jeremy and call it Tris Majistics. Yeah, 669 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:39.320 because there's three of us. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's fine. 670 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.119 It's our group chat for a hot minute. Yeah it was, yeah, 671 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.480 and now it's twice Born. But it doesn't matter, you know exactly. 672 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.199 It's cool. It's cool. We can have a song now because twice 673 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.639 Bourne has two meanings. Yeah, and it's still two people making the music 674 00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.719 right, with a vocalist the vocalist coming in engracing us with he he's the 675 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.719 he's he's orpheus bro. He's the one like telling the poems. Well, 676 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:14.239 it's like that band was born twice Oh okay, okay, yeah, And 677 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.199 a little comment to the thing that you were saying about Zagrius. There is 678 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:21.760 a line in Amethystos you guys should look out for if you listen. Well, 679 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:27.400 it's a. It's Nanus calls me Zagreus, Diodorus calls me Sebasius because 680 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.079 that was another name. And then the third one is there are those who 681 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:37.480 call me Bacchus because the Romans called him Bacchus, called Dionysus Bacchus. And 682 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.840 then it says, but you may call me Dionysus. And then that's like 683 00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.559 the breakdown, you know. Yeah, so yeah, that's that's Amethistos, 684 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:50.280 the second one that we released and which is also the second one on the 685 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.679 album UM. Well sorry, it was the first song we released, but 686 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:58.840 it's the second song on the album Covalini's Um. A lot of people thought 687 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.039 it was about four Yeah, and we just let them. Yeah, they 688 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:06.360 thought it was about because there's all these like, you know, the lightning 689 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.679 it talks about like storms and lightning, and kind of led them to it. 690 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.960 I honestly, yeah a little bit. And and I kind of had 691 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.599 a thought like I kind of want them to think that it's thor because then 692 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.800 if they dig just a little deeper and say like, well, what about 693 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.480 these lines, what are these lines talking about? It would kind of send 694 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:29.519 them down a rabbit hole where they'd be like maybe it's about there's Japanese symbols 695 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.960 on the yeah yeah yeah, Um. But so Covalini's which is the Greek 696 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.679 word for covlit um, which is so cool because it's just it's a crystal 697 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:44.800 that is formed during lightning storms, which is why we chose that one. 698 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:52.719 Um. That is actually about the Japanese thunder god Rygene, which shout out 699 00:48:52.840 --> 00:49:02.239 Naruto. Hey look, Naruto learned the fly. True he did. I 700 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.159 don't remember who he did it on. It might have been saske Um. 701 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.880 But anyway, this is not the nar two episode, which will happen someday. 702 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.360 Should Yeah, you're right, you're it should happen, and then of 703 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.280 course down the line we gotta do a one piece episode with Jeremy. Anyway, 704 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.679 So, so Rygen, this is the story of Um Covellini's. This 705 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:29.000 is the story that I chose from Rygin's mythology. The story. It takes 706 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.719 place in like feudal Japan, feudal Japanese kind of times, um on the 707 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:39.039 island of Tsushima, which goes to Sushima. That game is sick amazing game. 708 00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.719 Yeah have you played it? No? Oh, bro have a PlayStation? 709 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:45.400 I never is it not on PC. I think it is now. 710 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:52.400 I never finished it, but I've been dying to finish it because it is 711 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.920 real. It's beautiful, it all bro. You can like you can like 712 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:59.199 sit down in the grass and like play a flute and like say hikups. 713 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.320 You can like it's it's so it's just like sitting hot springs and it's so 714 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.639 cool. Yeah. That was the last PS four exclusive, the last official 715 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.039 PAS four title, and then PS five came out. Yeah, oh da, 716 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:14.159 it's kind of legendary, but yeah, so it takes it takes place 717 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.519 on the island of Tsushima. And the cool thing is this one is an 718 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:22.679 actual, like real life story that kind of Japan wrote a mythology around so 719 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:27.840 in the I want to say fourteen hundreds or so, it's around that time. 720 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.079 I could be wrong on the timeframe, but um Tsushima was being attacked 721 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:38.880 by Mongols, by Mongol soldiers um like fleets of ships. It happened twice 722 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:44.159 within like a two or three year span. They were attacked twice. Both 723 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:49.639 times that they were attacked, the ships never even reached the island because they 724 00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:57.880 were destroyed by like record breaking tsunamis like like unbelievably huge tsunamis that just absolutely 725 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:04.880 eviscerated all of the ships. And so the way that Japanese mythology or Japanese 726 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:09.199 myth explains that is it's because of the thunder god Rygin. He saved them. 727 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:15.280 According to this that is called Shinto Shinto. That's their myth system. 728 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:20.480 Oh, the religious myth system, right Shinto. So I looked into the 729 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.239 myth of Rygin and I was reading about it, and there's this there's this 730 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:30.079 cool character called like the God Breaker or the god the god Killer or something 731 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:37.880 to that effect, who essentially locked Ryging in a prison for like hundreds of 732 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:44.000 years, like a really really long extended time. But then when when the 733 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.920 Mongols came to attack, they were like, according to myth, they were 734 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:51.119 like, well shit, what are we going to do about this? They 735 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.719 completely outnumber us. How are we going to do? And they let Ryging 736 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.280 out, which is why the lyric no chain can hold Me. That's why 737 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.119 it's in the song no Changing, because he was he was chained and whatever, 738 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:07.440 and you know, uh, he basically comes out of his prison. 739 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:15.000 He sees that there's fleets of ships coming to attack the island that worships him 740 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.880 because they do they have statues of riding. They worship riding, and he's 741 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.719 like, not on my watch. He's like, you're not about to come 742 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.480 up here, and that's why that line is um uh what what? What? 743 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:28.039 What was the line about? Like sheep? Oh? Oh, try 744 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.639 to take the sheep from my pulpit? Yeah, yeah, it's basically he 745 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.960 he was like that was offensive to him, Like, oh, you're gonna 746 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.960 come here and try to take the people that worshiped me less groove, you 747 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.519 know what I mean. He's like, let's go, so let's let's just 748 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.119 slightly shift gears for a second. So we haven't even talked about like what's 749 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:54.239 our sound like? So like, let's the reason we released Colini's first was 750 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:59.480 because it's groovy, right, Yeah, it's upbeat, it's you know, 751 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.119 got the Victor Wooten sample in there, and it makes people want to dance. 752 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:07.960 Yeah, it's it's like it's different from most metal. Yeah yeah, 753 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:12.440 yeah. I was scrolling. I was literally scrolling through TikTok and I saw 754 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.119 a video of Victor Wooten. He's like, you don't dance because the key. 755 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.559 You dance because you dance at a groove. And I was like, 756 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.519 I'm putting that in a song, and so that's that's where that part came 757 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:23.719 from. But yeah, that was we talked a lot about like, what's 758 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.880 the first song we're gonna release if we were thinking about Amethystos, but we 759 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.400 were like, I don't know, whatever. But we were ultimately like, 760 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.360 this is just this is just a jam, Like this is just such a 761 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.599 jam. It's not too heavy, you know it is, but it's not 762 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:43.320 like too heavy where where you know, more people I feel like could get 763 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.159 into it. Yeah, we kind of looked at it as one of our 764 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.400 like like, it's very flashy and exciting, yeah, and we were like 765 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:52.840 it's groovy. Yeah. We were basically just so into it that that's what 766 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.159 we wanted to release first. Was that, um so yeah, I mean 767 00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.440 that's that's the story at Collinis. It's about Rygeen, it's not about Thor 768 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:07.119 but you know, good guests, hardcore team shout out. Now. This 769 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:13.440 one's really exciting because this was where Jeremy came in. The next track on 770 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:19.119 the EP was Katrini, which is about that one's super obvious because he says 771 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:23.719 the all Father in the title it says Ragnarok and Gungner and yeah, Yeah, 772 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:29.679 that the n exactly the Yoten's fall. Yeah, that one was like 773 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:34.480 very straightforward. Um, but yeah, we we And the reason it's called 774 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.119 Katrini, which, by the way, that's the Greek word for citrine, 775 00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.400 which is a crystal that's associated with the worship of Odin. It's also one 776 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.559 of my very favorite crystals and I when I I don't always wear crystal bracelets 777 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.679 anymore lately because I have so many around me, but I wear a citrine 778 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.920 bracelet when I choose to wear crystals. It's the crystal of abundance, positivity. 779 00:54:54.159 --> 00:55:00.599 Oh. Another insting, little behind the scenes fact about Katrini is the 780 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.480 week it might have even been like the day before or something, but the 781 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:13.239 week that we released Katrini, I literally found in my step grandmother's backyard. 782 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.960 I found a raw citrine. Wow, I remember that. I looked it 783 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.880 up, I crossed, referenced all sorts of things I looked at, like 784 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:27.639 what crystals are native to specifically like the boon Asheville area, you know, 785 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.639 and citrine was one of the main ones. Because I was like, I 786 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.199 don't know what it is. It could be, it could be anything, 787 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.360 but I did. I did probably an hour straight of just like finding out 788 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.280 what it is, and it was Citrine. Dude, the great find. 789 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:45.239 I know. The week that the Citrine song comes out, I didn't know 790 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.320 that it was weird. I called you and I was like, bro, 791 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.159 what you know? This is crazy? So that song, I'm gonna switch 792 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.159 gears before we get into like the myth of it, you know, because 793 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:59.199 it is straightforward. I want to talk about Jeremy's involvement with So we had 794 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:04.880 already like released Covalini's by that time. This conversation with Jeremy even being a 795 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.599 feature in the first place was happening. And at this point, we had 796 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:14.000 pretty much all of our songs recorded musically, like you know, we did 797 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.039 we did vocals last for everything. Yeah, yeah, we had demos to 798 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.440 work with, like pretty fleshed out demos, and like I think at this 799 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.039 point, all the drums, Yeah, we finished recording drums of January. 800 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.559 So like at this point, all the drums were recorded, and we were 801 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:29.480 talking about it, what song do we want to put Jeremy on. I 802 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:30.239 think he'd be in my head, I'm mine. I think he'd be great 803 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:36.079 on Ocianos, which happened anyway, and I thought about it. We knew 804 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:37.559 we were going to release Katrini next. I was like, bro, dude, 805 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.920 like Jeremy can do that filthy thing, that that scream you know that 806 00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.480 you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the snarls. Yes, Yes. 807 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.519 Jeremy has a very like Laura Shore kind of style, which is like 808 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.920 shout thank God. Yes, Laura Shore is one of those I don't I 809 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.199 don't mess with, Like they're low key, like really dark vibes, but 810 00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.239 musically, yeah, they are peak filthy. They're filthy, They're amazing. 811 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.880 I don't I don't do what you will with that, but yeah, Jeremy 812 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.360 kind of has a Lorner Store vibe in my opinion, and I was like, 813 00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:13.000 dude, at the end of the Ragnarok part of Katrini, that would 814 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.440 be perfect to introduce Jeremy, you know, and you know, it's just 815 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.920 so chaotic and Ragnarok is happening, and I've always kind of had this feeling. 816 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.840 Jeremy has made comments to me throughout us just you know, being so 817 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.960 close and talking every day. He's always made comments to me. I feel 818 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.599 like my archetype is the sage that sits in the wilderness and kind of like 819 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.599 is on his own but then when he comes out, he's ready to pop. 820 00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:38.800 Yeah, and that's Odin. Well, dude, when we were talking, 821 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:42.199 when we were talking about what song to put you on, I was 822 00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:46.320 like, when I look at Jeremy, I just feel Odin's presence, Like 823 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.679 I just feel like you're right now. Well, really, that's what I 824 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.880 told him. I was like, he just like seems like Odin to me. 825 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:59.440 That's cool. And so we did it. So what were what was 826 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.639 your feeling about doing it when we first mentioned, like, yo, we 827 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:06.480 want to have you on a song when we want to do it, Like, 828 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.440 what was going through your head? Well? At first I was like 829 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:12.800 obviously on board, you know, and like I was on board, but 830 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.920 I was also apprehensive because I've never done that in front of anyone ever. 831 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:21.159 Just in like my car for a countless hours and I don't even hear it 832 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:23.280 because it's drowned out by allow music in the windows down, you know. 833 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:28.559 So I didn't really I had no basis to judge myself on. Yeah, 834 00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:32.039 So it was like just a good opportunity to try something new and you know, 835 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:36.519 maybe learn something about myself. Yeah, to experience, like try and 836 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.519 experience, try and just be creative. In a different respect than I have 837 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:43.480 been my whole life. So I just jumped on the opportunity for sure, 838 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:49.599 but definitely was nervous. I love that though, Like You're like, I 839 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.360 just want to try something new, and like you've always loved metal music and 840 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:53.840 you've always made comments about how you want to try to, you know, 841 00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.599 do something with it. So okay, so where were your nerves like one 842 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.960 to two in dude, they were pretty high. I mean it didn't show 843 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:08.480 I have a great mask. Yeah, I put on a mask very well, 844 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:13.159 but I was I was pretty nervous about it. Um Um. I 845 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.840 would probably say, I'd say, like for me, what's a ten? 846 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.280 Is that like panic attack? Yes? Okay, I wasn't at a ten. 847 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.400 I was probably had a solid six and that's that's high for me. 848 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:23.840 Yeah, Like I've never had a full balln panic attack before. But you 849 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.719 know, yeah, I was pretty freaking nervous. Really. Yeah, did 850 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:31.519 it go away that day or was it? No? It went away, 851 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.199 Like it really went away after the second song. I had a similar feeling 852 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.280 when we were recording Amethistos because that's the first song that I ever recorded live 853 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:45.400 drums on, and I remember when we recorded that it took us like four 854 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.639 hours of me trying to figure out what to do, what's right, And 855 00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:52.119 I still don't know if if you know, I still have that feeling of 856 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:57.239 self doubt or whatever because I quit that, I know, but like but 857 00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.880 in that moment, I remember it was it was kind of major for me 858 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.119 because you said, you're awakening. You're awakening. Nick's been playing music in 859 01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.800 front of people your whole life pretty much. I haven't. Jerry had. 860 01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:12.719 I played at church, a little gospel music, a little you know, 861 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.079 basic term pill when people start looking at me. Yeah, yeah, so 862 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:19.679 like for it's a little harder for us to kind of like come out with 863 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.639 that. And you know, so like I had a similar feeling recording Amethysts 864 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.760 the first time. It's nerve wracking, it's new. Yeah, it's that's 865 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.400 definitely nerve wracking. But having you know, people are saying, like, 866 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.320 hey, that was sick, you know, like dang, that was dope. 867 01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.400 Just just simple just that simple be it would be good enough for me 868 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:43.440 to to keep going. Yeah. I always anytime I work with anybody recording 869 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:49.760 music, it's like literally only positive vibes, like only positive vibes. And 870 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.719 if you if I if you need to retake a line or something, I'll 871 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.360 let you know. But like, I'm not gonna be like n I was 872 01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:58.400 trash, let's do it again. I'm gonna be like, yo, you 873 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.000 sound so sick. Maybe fun, Maybe let's try and spin it this way 874 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.480 a little bit. Every time we record everything, it's fun. It doesn't 875 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.320 matter what. Why you know, why that's so important is because music is 876 01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:13.719 a psychic medium. We talk about this all the time, and the way 877 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.440 to really unlock that, in my opinion, is you have to be in 878 01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:23.360 like a state of joy and glee and like really fully comfort and peace your 879 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.880 music stuff, good vibes, your mood. Yes, yeah, good vibes 880 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:32.119 for sure. Yeah good U so yeah. From the first take, everybody 881 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.639 in the room, Ryan, Ryan, Me, Warren, we were all 882 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:39.840 like our jaw was on the floor. When Jeremy did his first take, 883 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:43.440 we were like yeah because Warren went first. Yeah right, yeah, we 884 01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.199 recorded a different song. I walked in the closet and I just had to 885 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.239 put my I'm pretty sure I put a hood on. I just had to 886 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.400 hide hid in the closet. Hey man, we were all we were looking 887 01:01:54.440 --> 01:02:00.960 at each other like whoa a diamond and a rough Yeah, yeah, exactly, 888 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.800 dude. It was so sick, And from that point I immediately was 889 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.400 like, Jeremy need to be in the band. Real well, I'm down. 890 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.880 I'm glad you loved it. I'm glad you really enjoyed doing it. 891 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.760 And you know the fact that you were nervous the entire way through your first 892 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:22.639 time and you still delivered such a sick performance is kind of mind blowing. 893 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:28.199 So I'm so stoked that you decided to give it a shot, because it's 894 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:30.719 hard to like come out of your comfort zone try something new in front of 895 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:36.119 a bunch of people, Like I've literally never done this before. I get 896 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.599 let alone in front of people, recorded right for other people to hear. 897 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.400 Okay, so I'm still sometimes in disbelief when I hear it. That's what 898 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.199 I asked me, That's what I was gonna ask So when when you heard 899 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:51.239 the song back after it was done, what was going through your head? 900 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.760 It wasn't you know how whenever you see a really something, like a really 901 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:59.880 pretty woman, you have to do the double take. Yeah, I got 902 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:05.079 that's me, Like, holy, I can find myself in the gym like 903 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.039 like lift, like doing bicep curls to it and just yeah, like that's 904 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:13.079 me than I can get. I can keep doing this. That's pretty cool. 905 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.840 That's so sick. That's pretty cool. I love that. I appreciate 906 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.639 the opportunity. Oh my god, nude, are you kidding me? You 907 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.480 you blessed our band with your year presence, and like it almost feels like 908 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:29.679 it was kind of a missing piece. Yeah it does. Now, I 909 01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:36.920 really do feel I keep showering me with what is this? I honestly fully 910 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.000 actually feel I'm not just saying that, like, because I've been so intimately 911 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:45.559 making We've been so intimately making and hearing this music for over a year, 912 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:52.719 and now that you're on it, it's like it really has more life. 913 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.960 It has more life. Yeah, it feels complete now. Uh So, 914 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.880 I'm so glad that you decided to do it. No, I appreciate that 915 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:01.800 because it's, like I said earlier, it's it's definitely something I can I 916 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:08.000 can do and explore, explore more about myself that I've never had the opportunity. 917 01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.559 I've had the opportunity. That's Mom tried her hardest to get me in 918 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.519 piano and other things. I just couldn't sit still long enough to do it. 919 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:18.320 But fortunately I don't have to sit still. You don't scream and just 920 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.599 howl and I'm like, yeah, you can move all around. Yeah, 921 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:23.559 that's a quick I just have energy. I want to get it out, 922 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.199 you know now, Like that is a good way to do it. Yeah. 923 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.320 Yeah, it feels kind of perfect. And as far as like the 924 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:34.159 mythology slash symbology on this song, it's actually super simple. It's literally just 925 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:40.480 the story of Ragnarok. It's it's from the perspective of Odin, and you 926 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:44.159 know, he has all this weight on his shoulders of like he's the god 927 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.000 of God's, he's the all Father. You know, he feels this burden 928 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:51.960 of like of taking care of his people and all this stuff. But also 929 01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:58.199 he's very selfishly like he doesn't want it all to go away because he feels 930 01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:01.000 like he hasn't figured everything out yet. You know, he's he's always he's 931 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.760 like you said, he's the Sage. He's on this quest for infinite knowledge. 932 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.159 It's like why he gave up his eye. He wants that knowledge of 933 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:09.400 the future and the prophecies, and he's trying to figure out if he can 934 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.440 stop Ragnarok. Yeah, Yeah, that's the first line of the story. 935 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.440 You can't stop destiny exactly. That's the moral of that song. The first 936 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.639 line is eye for an eye, eye for infinite knowledge. You know. 937 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:24.239 It's he gave his eye for infinite knowledge, and that infinite knowledge showed him 938 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:30.599 like you gonna die. Everything's everybody's gonna die. You know, Ragnarok is 939 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:31.960 coming in. There's nothing you could do to stop it. So it talks 940 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:38.079 about him exploring the world and reading all this esoteric mystical stuff and studying all 941 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:42.360 these you know, mystery traditions and stuff to try to find a way to 942 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:46.360 stop it, and he thinks he's getting somewhere, and then that last breakdown 943 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:51.519 hits and it's like it was all for nothing. You're you're dead, like 944 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:57.480 you can't you can't escape. It feels bad. It feels bad. Yeah. 945 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:03.800 Um, so next upsis okay, which is all right, So this 946 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:09.199 is a fun one. So originally Nick's idea for this song, I don't 947 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:11.960 know if you even remember this was low Ki. Yeah, and it was 948 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.920 originally called Quicksilver. No, it was Fool's Gold, fools Gold, okay, 949 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:23.000 the Greek translations, yeah, Pirithus. Originally it was going to be 950 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.880 about Loki. But then when we made Katrine, I was like, oh, 951 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.559 we can't have two Norse gods, so let's think of something else. 952 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:34.239 Opsianos by the way, in Greek is that's Greek for obsidian, which a 953 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:39.880 black crystal. Yeah, it's a black like it's like magma glass or something. 954 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.159 It's like, you know, yeah, it's like absorbing negativity. Yeah, 955 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.800 And I was like, bro out of the box. What if we 956 01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:54.239 did something from the HP Lovecraft mythos not a real religious myth, but like 957 01:06:54.519 --> 01:07:00.760 you know, fictitious horror myth Yeah. Yeah, real quick, we're like 958 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:04.280 kind of over time. Is that fine? Like can we just like go 959 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:06.480 until we're done it? Let's just yeah, we'll just finish the songs and 960 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:10.159 then we'll wrap it up, all right, bet cool? So yeah, 961 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:14.159 it was he was talking about the HP Lovecraft stuff and I was like, 962 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.000 oh, man, that would be so sick, and so that became the 963 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:23.480 theme. But interestingly, for whatever reason, this was by far the hardest 964 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.119 song for me to write lyrically, because we haven't mentioned that yet, but 965 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:31.320 I write all the lyrics and most of them come super easy. Kovalinis was 966 01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:35.400 like thirty minutes. I was done Amethistos. I rewrote it a couple of 967 01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:40.679 times, but it didn't take me very long. A couple hours maybe Opecianos 968 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:45.079 took me months and months. It took you up until the night before we 969 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.400 recorded it, literally, which was Easter weekend. Yeah, it was like, 970 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:53.519 I don't know why I couldn't find the right angle. I didn't you 971 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.440 know, I knew what I wanted the song to kind of be about, 972 01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.320 but I just could not figure it out for whatever reason. We had to 973 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.000 like kind of storyboard that and kind of put our heads together and figure out 974 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:08.880 because it's not based on an actual myth and there's like one hundred plus Lovecraft 975 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.360 short stories. We can't just base it on one, and we really had 976 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.640 a storyboard like what's the angle here. We landed on like not making it 977 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:20.479 strictly about the call of Kutulu or one story, but making it more so 978 01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:26.000 of an homage to the mythos, so we're not in a box exactly. 979 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:30.359 I had thought about like making it about making it about dagon May. I've 980 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:34.159 even thought about making it about Bloodborn, which you know is like in the 981 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.119 in the vibe sort of, but I was like, it just none of 982 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.920 this feels right or whatever. So I ended up writing a story like writing 983 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:46.960 a myth sort of. And essentially the song the song is like, it's 984 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:50.319 a warning. So yeah, let me say this really quick. Oh yeah, 985 01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:55.439 this song in the next two and then continue. These next three songs 986 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.199 are kind of like real messages. Yeah, that's that's what I wanted to 987 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:00.560 say. Yeah, for sure, they have real messages to him. They 988 01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:06.359 have like morals that I want people to like take from them. The first 989 01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:11.560 three are more just like strictly myths that already exist, and then the last 990 01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:15.479 three are more like they have strong morals to them. So the moral of 991 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:21.680 this one is the danger of dabbling in darkness, in dark energy, dark 992 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:29.199 magicies, anything left hand path, darker could Yeah, it's it's a warning 993 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:32.119 essentially to to to that. And and essentially the story that I came up 994 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:39.640 with is it's like this, this worshiper or this like cultists is acolyte is 995 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:45.479 acolyte. Yeah, of of some lovecrafty and entity, some lovecrafty and horror, 996 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:50.439 An Eldridge, Knight and Night with a Thousand Eyes, a cosmic guide 997 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.279 yeah maybe, um, and and there are a worshippers and they've they've been 998 01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:58.840 doing this for a long time and they've been doing the rituals, they've been 999 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:01.079 doing the practices, that and the other. They've seen some things, but 1000 01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:05.920 they don't feel like they have really gotten what they ventured out to get. 1001 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:11.439 They thought that they would get this obsessed with knowledge and seen beyond the veil 1002 01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:15.319 exactly. They wanted like this proof that there's something bigger out There is no 1003 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:19.079 satisfaction in the darkness. It's always a lust for more. And yeah, 1004 01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:24.399 there's never an end to it. It's it's endless and it's like no peace, 1005 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:29.520 no yeah. Yeah. And so basically, you know, according to 1006 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:35.199 the myths of like Cuthulhu um Cthulhu will re emerge on Earth when the stars 1007 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:40.880 align in the right way. It's like a specific constellation something to that effect. 1008 01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:44.119 So I kind of pulled from that and I made it like, Okay, 1009 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:48.039 so this this is happening on the day or the night of that star 1010 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:50.520 alignment. So they think, oh, it's time, it's it's going to 1011 01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:56.359 happen or whatever. So they're at this temple and they're they're performing, they're 1012 01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:02.319 like ritual to to you know, to welcome this entity to Earth, which 1013 01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:06.960 like you know, they don't truly know the intention of this entity. They 1014 01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:10.960 just know that they're going to come and they're going to change the world and 1015 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:15.439 make it, you know, make it what they think is better or different 1016 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.960 or whatever, unlock some new power or knowledge or something to that effect. 1017 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:26.199 And it's not happening. There the nothing's happening. You know, They're like 1018 01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:30.720 doing everything they think they're supposed to do and nothing is happening. So this 1019 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:35.239 person who feels that they've had so much invested in this and they've sacrificed so 1020 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:40.560 much and they've given so much of themselves to this and is now not seeing 1021 01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:45.319 anything, becomes enraged and frustrated and like feels betrayed and like, you know, 1022 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:49.600 they're really panicking and like why isn't this working? Why isn't this happening? 1023 01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:55.600 And as like a last ditch effort to just really try to make something 1024 01:11:55.720 --> 01:12:00.520 happen, they decide to make a human sacrifice they want because you know, 1025 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:05.800 I actually pulled this from something we talked about on a bloods Senso episode which 1026 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:10.039 we were just like, I think it might have been the Valentine's Day episode. 1027 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.199 I was like asking, like, what's the deal with sacrifice like yeah, 1028 01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:16.960 he been a whole bit. Yeah yeah, like we condemned sacrifice, 1029 01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.239 yeah yeah, yeah yeah. I was just like like, why was that 1030 01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:25.119 ever a thing? And Ryan kind of explained like, well, it you 1031 01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:28.840 know, it's it's like a huge influx of power. It's like a huge 1032 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:32.680 influx of energy, like's like a spiritual combustible. Yeah yeah, or the 1033 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:39.199 blood is yeah, you know, so people would do that during rituals as 1034 01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:44.279 like a big explosion of energy to try to catalyze something. So I was 1035 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:48.840 like, huh, that's really dark and fucked up, but it's interesting. 1036 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:54.520 It's it's also believed that blood is a spiritual currency in these dark practices. 1037 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.359 Yeah, so I was like, oh, okay, well then that would 1038 01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.199 make sense to me. If this person is really desperate to do this and 1039 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.399 they know these occults, like these dark you know, magic occult things like 1040 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:09.399 that would make sense, like they would probably want to go to that link 1041 01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:12.720 to try and make something happen. So that's where the line of the song 1042 01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:18.880 Opsianos comes in. Sacrifice plunge the knife to catalyze the summoning of an eldritch 1043 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:24.560 Knight, a cosmic guide with a thousand eyes Behold the Long Night, because 1044 01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:28.279 they're desperate. They're just like ready, They're like I have to see something 1045 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:31.439 or you know, it's all been for nothing, and so they do it 1046 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:38.000 and then still nothing is happening. They're like, are you kidding me? 1047 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:41.720 Like this is all bullshit, it's not real, it's none of it must 1048 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.840 be real. I did everything I was supposed to do. I even did 1049 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.359 this to try and speed it up, to try everything to make this happen, 1050 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:53.840 and it just didn't happen. And then the final like climax of the 1051 01:13:53.920 --> 01:14:02.399 song, the big moment at the end is it worked and the entity appears 1052 01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:10.000 and the I wouldn't call them a protagonist, but like the main character of 1053 01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:16.039 this story is like instantly filled with dread and regret and they're going insane. 1054 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:20.159 It's pulling their sanity. Big thing and the Lovecraft stories is when they see 1055 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:25.479 these entities that drives them to insanity. Yeah, and they had actually already 1056 01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.560 been slowly going mad or insane. There are some lines before that where they're 1057 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:35.399 having like hearing voices and you know, their vision is changing and weird stuff 1058 01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:42.319 like that. But when this happens, when the being emerges, it's what 1059 01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.079 what is the line something about all I see is cosmic horror. No, 1060 01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.520 just prior to that, it's something just the veil. Yeah, I gotta 1061 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:53.840 think about it. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, then the veil begins to 1062 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:59.199 fall, or as the veil begins to fall, how am I forgetting my 1063 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:04.000 own lyrics? Oh? But then it's like consciousness is wearing thin uh that 1064 01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:08.880 like, or consciousness is leaving me. That's what it was. Consciousness is 1065 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.359 leaving me because like they're literally it's like it's almost like they're on a DMT 1066 01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:17.760 trip. It's so so uneffable. Yeah, and they're just freaking out, 1067 01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:25.600 and so consciousness is leaving me, leaving me until all I see Now there 1068 01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:30.720 are two lines. And all six of these songs that I wrote only because 1069 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:34.039 they came to me as downloads, and I was talking to Nick and I 1070 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.279 was like, for each song, I was like, Yo, this came 1071 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.800 to me, If you can use it, that'd be cool. And it 1072 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.800 was it was. And here's the thing. Another thing about the way I 1073 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:45.479 make music is one I got this from Rick Rubin. Number one, you 1074 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:50.720 try every idea, try everything. And number two, my philosophy was if 1075 01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:55.239 Ryan gets something, if something comes to him it's for a reason. It's 1076 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:57.439 for a reason. So both times you came to me, I was like, 1077 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.560 yeah, I'm putting it in. So it just came to me immediately. 1078 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:03.600 I can't like write all lyrics and all that, because there's a lot 1079 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.880 more to it than just writing poetry. There's vocal patterns, there's keen. 1080 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.560 It's yeah, it's not simple. And it came to me. All I 1081 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:16.479 see is cosmic horror. And in my mind it was like Cthulhu or some 1082 01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.479 eldritch deity rising from the depths. Usually they come out of the water, 1083 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:25.720 you know in Lovecraft stories, and it was the person going mad and all 1084 01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:29.239 they see is cosmic horror. This song is called cosmic horror. We have 1085 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.439 a Bledso setso episode calls the Cosmic Horror, which I highly recommend people watch. 1086 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:35.000 If you're listening to this and this tickles your pickle and you haven't heard 1087 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:41.199 that ever yet, and hey mature, okay, okay, sorry, sorry, 1088 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:43.520 sorry, sorry, but no, but like I just I have, 1089 01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:49.800 we have this fascination with cosmic horror and that phrase is just so sexy. 1090 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:54.239 Yeah you know what I mean? And all I see is cosmic horror. 1091 01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:56.680 You know what I mean, like, and originally it was just going to 1092 01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:58.760 be that line repeating, but I was like, it would be cool to 1093 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:02.600 put a little spin, made it like fifteen thousand times with what it became. 1094 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:06.760 Yeah, So it's like consciousness is leaving me, leaving me until all 1095 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:12.119 I see and then it's like this, and it goes into the final chaotic 1096 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.039 part of the song where it's me and Jeremy both screaming at the same time, 1097 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.119 because for the rest of the song it's like back and forth, me 1098 01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:23.840 then Jeremy, then me, then Jeremy then me, And the last line 1099 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:28.119 is, uh, it's all I see is cosmic horror trapped within a realm 1100 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:33.560 of torture. All I see is cosmic horror betrayed by the great defrauder. 1101 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:38.399 So it was like I wanted it. I wanted to really drive home that, 1102 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:42.079 like this person is feeling betrayed, like they they put all their faith 1103 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.199 and all their stuff into this and they just completely got fucked by it, 1104 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.960 like they they should never have messed with the dark side of things, you 1105 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:55.399 know. So that's like the final line. But Jeremy and I had so 1106 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:59.920 much fun recording, had a lot of fun. Let me ask you this. 1107 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.079 So when we started recording that one, were you nervous. Yeah, 1108 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:06.840 yeah, like I said earlier, like the nerves kind of Uh. They 1109 01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:13.399 they subsided after that recording, after us be on us. And at that 1110 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.760 point is when I texted Ryan said, hey, yeah, I could probably 1111 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:17.359 do that in front of a crowd. You know, I could do that. 1112 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.680 It wasn't that bad. We were We recorded those vocals in my living 1113 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.840 room, right, We like set the mic up, like literally the mic 1114 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.159 the Jeremy's using right now. We said that Mike, that's the These are 1115 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:30.920 the mics that we used to record the vocals. We set it up in 1116 01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.119 the living room when we did it. Yeah, I just feel so bad 1117 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:39.079 for your neighbors. Yeah, there's daytime, there's no quiet hours during the 1118 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:43.880 day. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. We had a blast doing that one. 1119 01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:45.399 Yeah, and um, I want to know, like what are they 1120 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:49.680 doing? Yeah, it is a horror song, so it's it's definitely like 1121 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:54.800 probably the heaviest it's Yeah, definitely, it's like the scariest vibe. I 1122 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.039 love horror films. I love scary music. I don't like when it actually 1123 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:01.359 has a dark message. Because I'm older now, I'm mature, I'm spiritually 1124 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:05.000 wiser, and I don't like I like positive, uplifting lyrics, but I 1125 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:10.319 like that sound sound. You know, I'm drawn to it. That was 1126 01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:13.119 why I love horror movies. Yeah, that was kind of the whole point. 1127 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:16.000 Like I knew going into this, like none of these lyrics are going 1128 01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:21.000 to be promoting anything dark because that's not what we're could harm people's contents because 1129 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:25.640 that's real man, like what you put out to people and subconscious programming, 1130 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.000 and like that's yeah, I'm glad that. I was like, if we're 1131 01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:33.439 gonna do a dark, scary song, it needs to be about the like 1132 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.680 staying away from the dark one, right, and that and I appreciate that. 1133 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.319 Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm you know me, man, I'm 1134 01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:43.279 not. I'm I'm not. I'm positive vibes only. Well, I mean, 1135 01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.319 I just I appreciate the fact that we can do that, but like 1136 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.359 feel like it's for a point. Yeah you know what I mean, we 1137 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:51.920 you know, like Mace Windu, like we can dabble in it, but 1138 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:55.239 like, you know, don't mess with that. Trust me, I've been 1139 01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:58.880 there, so you don't want to go there. Yeah for sure. So 1140 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:03.399 the next song, uh uh is like it kind of became like our friends 1141 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:08.359 and families. It's the super band. It's the super band. It's called 1142 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.760 Alex Is even on it. Yeah, alex Is on that song. Uh. 1143 01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:14.840 And also shout out Alex. I told him I needed a bass and 1144 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.199 he just like went and found one and bought it for us. And I 1145 01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:21.319 was that was like that came in clutch big time. So big shout out 1146 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:26.359 to you, Alex. That was very very kind of thanks Alex. And 1147 01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:30.840 it sounds amazing. That bass sounds so good. Um. But anyway, 1148 01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:35.279 this one's called smaragd. Uh. Smaragd is the Greek word for emerald. 1149 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:45.880 And um, now what myth popularly is associated with emeralds maybe chuck too. 1150 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:51.680 That's not a myth, that's real, that's reality. The Emerald Tablets of 1151 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:57.319 thought. Yes, the Emerald Tablets of Thought. Um. So, originally 1152 01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.800 it was just gonna be called it was just gonna be about thought. But 1153 01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:04.600 during the making of it and stuff, and during writing the lyrics and everything, 1154 01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:10.600 I was like, but what if it was actually about Hermi's mercurious thought, 1155 01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:16.199 like Hermi's tris majistics, you know, And so it's it's about thought, 1156 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:23.640 but it's it's more specifically about like the real esoteric literature. Yeah, 1157 01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:30.960 this is probably the most like mystical esoteric song on the album. It's extremely 1158 01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:34.560 Oh and this is the other line that Ryan came up with the other download 1159 01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:38.920 that he had. He just like because originally we were like, I was 1160 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:40.840 like, dude, you should try to write the lyrics for one of the 1161 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.039 songs, and he was just kind of having a hard time with it. 1162 01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:47.399 But he came up with this one, really really juicy, awesome line, 1163 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:51.119 which is the first line in the song. It's the very first lyric, 1164 01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:56.800 which is I came in the form of a man, wisdom revealed through my 1165 01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:00.199 hands. Yeah, and it's the story of Thought or Hermes and the Greek 1166 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.319 or Mercury and Roman are believed to be these you know, metaphorical gods or 1167 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:10.119 whatever. But in the real ancient esoteric past. People who've listened to Bloods 1168 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.439 said so for two years now know exactly what we're talking about. It was 1169 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.880 a real person. But this is what the Mason's talk about. The Rosicrucians, 1170 01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:19.800 the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, all of these secret society groups 1171 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:23.720 that you know are in the know, and these wisdom traditions. They know 1172 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:27.560 that this is a real thing. There was a sage that came and revealed 1173 01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:32.479 the tablets or the knowledge of Yeah, the tablets refer to him as Thought 1174 01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:35.600 the Atlantean. Right, Yeah, it's the wisdom of Atlantis. Yeah. 1175 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:41.760 So the song is essentially it's less of a myth and it's I mean it 1176 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:45.840 kind of is it's about that. It's about you know, Hermes or Thought 1177 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:50.399 the Atlantean. Uh, kind of like coming back to Earth. And that's 1178 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:53.920 the other lyric. It says, Um came in the form of a man, 1179 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.479 wisdom revealed through my hands, traveled here from a far away land, 1180 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.800 as I have done again and again, because he's reincarnated as the stages, 1181 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:06.920 through the ages exactly. Yeah, he's coming back, you know. So 1182 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:12.880 he he brings them the knowledge Um the gnosis, which is also in the 1183 01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:18.079 in the song Um. And and it's essentially just the story of like the 1184 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:27.600 collective consciousness of Um, detachment from materialism, of growing your spirit. One 1185 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.960 of the lyrics is um, I speak in tongues of fire, spirit reaching 1186 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:34.880 ever higher, better things are to transpire. It's it's all about like raising 1187 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:41.319 your vibration, focusing on spirituality, versus materialism, that kind of stuff. 1188 01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.359 And then um, also, Emily's on the song. Oh yeah. If 1189 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:51.359 you guys heard those beautiful, amazing like Egyptian sounding like the singing at the 1190 01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:57.199 beginning and the end of the track, that's Emily um Warren, who you 1191 01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:00.560 guys probably saw his episode. We had the whole freaking blast. Every past 1192 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.359 on the song. Everybody in our Buddy Raven is on Raven got out, 1193 01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:09.159 Raven even on it, right yeah, Ryan and I don't leave a scream. 1194 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:11.720 Jeremy's on it because when we started doing it, we were like, 1195 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:14.560 screw it, let's just get everybody to try it out. Let's just like 1196 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:18.479 the Rainbow song exactly. Yeah, everybody's on there. Um yeah, and 1197 01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:23.000 as above so below is in it. Yeah, the lyric is as above 1198 01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:26.680 so Below. From within we begin to grow. It's it's all about this 1199 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:30.640 esoteric knowledge. And then the final thing that it drives home. The final 1200 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:36.039 lyric is fall into the infinite cycle, fall before or is fall into the 1201 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:41.439 cycle, fall before the Infinite Cycle, And it's basically just like let go. 1202 01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.039 You're gonna reincarnate over and over and over until you figure it out, 1203 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.840 so you might as well just fall into it, just fall into the infinite 1204 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:51.439 cycle. Lego, let go, let go. That's that's the final like 1205 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:56.479 lyric of the of the song or whatever. So that's Smaragdi. It was. 1206 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.760 It was I love it. I love all these songs. They are 1207 01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:02.000 all you know, I'm so attached to him. And the last one, 1208 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:08.399 the last track on the album. Um it was another one that went through 1209 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:15.279 many iterations. The song is called Rose the Mother, and originally I mean 1210 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:19.560 it's it's it's really about the divine feminine. We were kind of thinking like, 1211 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:24.960 maybe it's about like venus or maybe which kind of is what it is. 1212 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:28.920 It's it's sort of about venus. Maybe it's about aphrodity, maybe it's 1213 01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:30.520 you know, who, is it about whatever, And we kind of landed 1214 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:38.600 on it's just it's about the divine feminine. Now something really interesting happened though. 1215 01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:44.840 Um So. Also Rose is Rose courts. You know, it's literally 1216 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.479 called rose in Greek, so it is. It's kind of the least interesting 1217 01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:54.640 title, but it's one of the coolest songs. I wrote this song front 1218 01:25:54.680 --> 01:26:01.279 to back five times, like instrument, lyrics, everything. I kept doing 1219 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:06.479 it over and over and over because it just wasn't right. For whatever reason, 1220 01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:11.239 it didn't sound right, it didn't feel right. I would literally follow 1221 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:13.239 a thread all the way to the end and then just be like, no, 1222 01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:15.560 that's not it. That's not I don't know why, but that's not 1223 01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:18.840 it. We knew, being that this song was about the mother or the 1224 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:24.199 divine feminine, that this was going to be our quote unquote soft song, 1225 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.760 which like, we don't we don't, yeah, we don't have soft songs. 1226 01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.279 There's no soft song on the album, but it's pretty. Yeah. 1227 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.239 We knew it was going to be the pretty one. Yeah, And so 1228 01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:38.560 you know, I was writing it and then they were it was just the 1229 01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.079 wrong vibe. It just it never was right. And I had the idea 1230 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.000 like, oh well, maybe let's get like weird with it. Maybe let's 1231 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.720 get it can be melodic and pretty, but let's also make it like irregular 1232 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:54.000 and weird, so it's a weird time signature and all this stuff. The 1233 01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:57.640 music is, it is what it is. But the interesting thing that happened 1234 01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:02.119 was with the lyrics, because this was another one that I felt I had 1235 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:04.800 to write it. Like I said, I wrote it five different times, 1236 01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:12.119 and for whatever reason, on the last one, I just I just started 1237 01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:16.000 getting downloads. Oh, by the way, this entire EP is downloads. 1238 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:20.479 Like the music is all literally just it would it would just come to me, 1239 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.720 I would hear it, I would record it. It was downloads. 1240 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.680 These lyrics, Uh, they just started flowing out of me. And I 1241 01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:31.239 just wrote it and I wrote it, and I wrote it fairly quickly, 1242 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:36.479 and then I kind of sat back and read the lyrics at the end and 1243 01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:43.560 I was like, this is about Ryan's dad. I was like, this 1244 01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:49.560 is this is not this isn't even about like a specific goddess or entity or 1245 01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:54.359 I was like, this is literally about Ryan's dad. Now here's the funny 1246 01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:56.960 thing. This is not anything that has ever said to me yet. No, 1247 01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.199 but didn't you didn't know that. I didn't know that. But this 1248 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.479 is what I wished it would be because of the lady. But I never 1249 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.119 told you that, did I did you? Did? You told me? 1250 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:09.640 You were like, maybe one of them could be about like the lady and 1251 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:12.560 my dad and all this stuff. And I was like, I mean maybe, 1252 01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:15.800 but we're trying to do like the mythology thing or whatever. But it 1253 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:19.920 it but let it go. Yeah, And it had to be that way. 1254 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:24.560 It had to. It just came through me that way, So you 1255 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.079 don't you don't know the lyrics yet. I really I haven't heard the lyrics, 1256 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:30.399 right, Yeah, that's the last one. We're recording this before the 1257 01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:33.680 album is out, but you guys, you know it's coming out just after 1258 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:40.039 the album is out. But the lyrics are about someone. The protagonist a 1259 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:46.039 man who is at his wits end. He's desperate, he's he feels like 1260 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:51.760 he is spread thin. That's one of the lyrics is um spread thin. 1261 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:59.640 The dissonance is imminent, I'm feckless, summing up to nothingness. He's like 1262 01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:03.319 he just feels worthless. He's like, I just can't do it anymore. 1263 01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:09.560 And then the lyric is I know what if I grow? I know what 1264 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:13.000 if I grow? But what if I don't. It's like he's like just 1265 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:15.359 full of doubt and he doesn't know where he's at in life, and he 1266 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:20.560 feels like a failure and he's just so down on himself. The chorus is 1267 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:27.119 the lyric is it's all too much. It's become a trudge, sing me 1268 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.079 to sleep because he just wants it to be over. He just he's done, 1269 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:33.800 he doesn't want it anymore. It's too much. It's all too much 1270 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:40.039 for him. He's over it. He wants to die, he really he 1271 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:45.399 does, and then, in that moment of desperation, that final cry out 1272 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:51.199 like sing me to sleep, finish it. I'm done. The Lady appears 1273 01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:57.760 before him and tells him you can't stop. This is too important. You're 1274 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:01.760 too important. You're worth it. You're you're a being of light, You're 1275 01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:06.720 a being of love. The you know you're you haven't failed anything. You 1276 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:12.600 haven't failed at anything, because your true mission is to spread love and light. 1277 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:16.920 So you just keep doing what you're doing and it's gonna work, it's 1278 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:21.640 going to come together, it's it's all gonna be fine, and you know 1279 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:28.159 it's the The protagonist is like gripping with that, like uh okay, so 1280 01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:30.600 what does this mean? Like what am I supposed to do with this information? 1281 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:35.039 Like what you know? And it's still kind of having like it's very 1282 01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:39.479 encouraged by this, but it's still like why me, Like why why me? 1283 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:44.319 Why does this matter? Why you know whatever, and is continuing to 1284 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:49.439 be encouraged by the Lady, the mother, the divine feminine, and is 1285 01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:55.680 reinforcing like I'm telling you, like this is too important for you to give 1286 01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:58.920 up. You can't give up. I won't let you give up, Like 1287 01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:03.479 you're too important to me, Like you're not allowed to give up. Uh. 1288 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:08.760 And and in the end he realizes it. You know when it gets 1289 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:14.359 like super heavy at the end, that's because he's still grappling with like, 1290 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.800 yeah, but why me, why what is this all about? And she's 1291 01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:23.680 like, I'm telling you you have a job to do. Get out there, 1292 01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.640 shut up, don't be down on yourself. This is too important. 1293 01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:31.439 Like that's that's where that really really heavy part is. And then and the 1294 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:38.399 big crescendo, the big finish of the song is this really like equal parts 1295 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.239 beautiful. It's it brings it back to the chorus, but it's like a 1296 01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:45.920 heavier version of the chorus. And it's because the protagonist is finally filled with 1297 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:53.199 power and drive and they get it. They finally get it. And dude, 1298 01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.479 I was freaking out when I read it because I was like, I 1299 01:31:56.640 --> 01:32:00.960 did not mean for this to be about the lady or Chris Bledsoe, but 1300 01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:05.319 it is. You almost made me cry there, Dude. It didn't. 1301 01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:10.039 It wasn't me, man, I didn't. It just came through me. 1302 01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:13.000 All. This is my first time hearing any of this. Yeah. Yeah, 1303 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:15.680 like over six months ago. I was like, dude, to be 1304 01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:16.840 cool for we made about the Lady and he was like, I kind of 1305 01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:20.319 want to make about Venus and I was like, respect, Like that's totally 1306 01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:25.680 cool. Yeah, I've been saving this information for this episode. That's amazing. 1307 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:29.000 I'm glad you did. Yeah. I never now, I really I 1308 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:30.760 really can't wait to hear the finished product now, which by the time this 1309 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:35.199 is out, I will yeah. You know. So we're recording like three 1310 01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:39.479 weeks before this episode airs or something like that, and we have like the 1311 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:43.840 finishing touches to put on it right now in the present. So literally it's 1312 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:47.520 exciting. I'll have the full EP completely done and submitted in the next like 1313 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:51.079 seventy two hours. Like It'll be amazing. It'll be done like in the 1314 01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:55.359 next three days. I need like six hours of work and it's done. 1315 01:32:55.479 --> 01:33:00.880 It's badass amazing. I'm super excited. But yeah, that was just I 1316 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:02.800 didn't expect it. I didn't see that coming. I didn't intend for that. 1317 01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:05.560 It just happened. Wow, it just came out like that, and 1318 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:10.199 it was about like that, oh yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. 1319 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:15.039 Yeah. Yeah, And um so so that's that's the whole that's the whole 1320 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:18.039 album, that's mythos. That's a great place to end it, I think, 1321 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:21.760 yeah, and um so that that's the last. So for those out 1322 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:26.960 there who enjoyed this, thank you very much. Please follow our twice born 1323 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.479 socials. I think on Instagram it's twice born band. Let me confirm that 1324 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:33.399 it is twice born band. Okay, twice born band. Um, you'll 1325 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.640 know it's us. It's it's also if you follow me on Instagram personally, 1326 01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:40.439 you'll see a link in there and make it easier for you check us out. 1327 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:44.680 Um, if you're not really into metal music but you want to support 1328 01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:46.000 us, tell your friends who are in the metal music. Yeah. Yeah, 1329 01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:48.479 it's not for everybody. We know that of course, but it's our 1330 01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.439 passion. We're not ashamed of. You know who we are and what we're 1331 01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:55.680 into, and it's we're having fun with it and oh yeah this is like 1332 01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:00.960 our passion. Uh so so yeah. Just it's on all streaming platforms, 1333 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:04.359 Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. So if 1334 01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:06.399 you feel like it, give it a listen. If it's not your thing, 1335 01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:09.720 yeah, tell your friends about it. We put a lot of love, 1336 01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:14.760 a lot of work into this, and we're stoked on it and we're 1337 01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.520 about to get to work on whatever the next project is, which mister Jeremy 1338 01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:26.000 Bledsoe is gonna be front manning. He's gonna be taking the lead, which 1339 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:29.520 that's gonna be so fun because he hasn't been in the room and we recorded 1340 01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:31.479 instruments yet. Oh yeah, that's the other wait for that. We're going 1341 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:34.399 to do it all with you there because we need your energy. Yeah, 1342 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:38.279 looking forward to it. I have a lot of energy to get. We 1343 01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:41.079 need you to be like an antenna. I promise you. You haven't experienced 1344 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:44.600 this yet. It's fun when you've already recorded your parts and then you go 1345 01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:46.720 to another session and you're just on the couch chilling while everyone else works. 1346 01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:50.359 Yeah, it is. It's so fun, like watching all vehicles because I 1347 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:54.359 know, because you always work because you're the producer. Yeah, but like 1348 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.039 like which is fun for me though, Yeah, for sure, it's all 1349 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:59.560 fun. Yeah, but like dude, just sitting there on the couch watching 1350 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:01.760 our record vocals, I'm just chilling, drinking a little monster or something. 1351 01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:06.199 I live in the life. It's it's so fun. Thank you. Guys 1352 01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:10.920 for listening. I know this isn't our typical, you know, usual episode, 1353 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:14.239 but this is very real to us. You know, we're just having 1354 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:17.279 fun with it. So and thanks to Jeremy for joining the band and making 1355 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.279 it. Thanks for an invite. You giving me a voice, Dude, 1356 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:25.399 you had the voice I think you gave us. Well, you're welcome. 1357 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:28.319 All right, let's do it, all right. I hold on with the 1358 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.880 Bay guys to one. Bye bye,