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Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented
by fan Tracks, your source of information

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and analysis to help you win your
fantasy hockey league. Block off hot a

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step hit on, Stay Lock.
Here's your host, Jesse Sovier and Victor

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Nuno Fantasy Hockey Live back once again. Victor Nuno from ep Rinkside. I

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am Jesse Severe of fan Tracks.
But now I've confused things because I'm gonna

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throw it to Victor and ask him
how he's doing today. Usa, Usa,

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Usa, USA. We've been waiting
years for this. Yeah, we

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did. We did dog Gunnet.
Yeah. It seemed like everybody in the

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FHL discord who wasn't from the US
was cheering against us. But that's just

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how it goes when you're the favorite. Pretty much everyone in that arena.

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One of my buddies that actually played
beer was there in Gothenburg and he said

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maybe two to three percent of the
crowd was US, even even all the

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neutral fans were basically cheering against the
Americans. And I guess for East to

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that I'm not always the most favorite
internationally. But it was a great It

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was a great tournament. We're talking
about the World Juniors, of course,

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and it was super fun and yeah, the Americans a couple of maybe questionable

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performances, but overall pretty dominant and
it was fun to see. Yeah,

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and the Fantasy hockey wife's is friends
with Quinn Finley's mom, so she was

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texting her over there in Sweden.
Mister Finley took the last shot of the

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tournament and I think finished with two
points, obviously the player of the tournament.

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That that is all we need to
speak, no more about that.

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Yeah, I just mentioned the discord. You can join that discord. All

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you have to do to be a
part of it is hit Victor and myself

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up at fan Hockey Life is how
to catch me at Victor Nuno twelve is

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how to catch Victor who's the more
interesting exer? And you can also emails

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Fantasy Hockey lipat gmail dot com.
But it's free and there's been a lot

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of buzzing. We had our World
Juniors pools that are now wrapped up,

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and now we're moving back into the
not that we ever moved away, but

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the fantasy hockey season is moving increasingly
toward a climax. Victor, I just

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can't tell people enough about all the
things that are going on. But let's

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consider that I have told them enough
and let you tell them more about things

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that they can get by following us
even more closely. Yeah, there's lots

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of good stuff. If you're interested
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Patron Priority Channel. You can look
at all our show notes, which,

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especially on a show like today,
there's lots of cool graphs and charts that

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Mitch does and maybe you don't have
full access to, but there's a lot

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of good stuff there. We have
our your Dynasty the Tidy, which is

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really cool, so people are waiting
to get into that and it's a really

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fun league. We have the Patron
Ranks or the Prospect ranks, which we're

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working on finalizing and updating them.
Hopefully soon we'll have a kind of prototype

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that'll show some really cool upside and
peripheral categories. So lots of good stuff,

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and we invest a lot in trying
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So if you want to buy us
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useful. Patreon dot com slash Fantasy
Hockey Life. Yeah, I'm rather dissatisfied

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with my teams. Let me abuse
my station by saying, if anybody in

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the Lamuta vision wants to trade and
be any win now players would if I've

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got left in the prospect system and
it ain't much because I've been going for

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the win now for a while.
Please you can hit me up. Is

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that unfair? Is that an unfair
thing? Look, you could rip me

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off. That's what this comes down
to, So let's just be honest about

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it, Victor. One guy who
will not be ripped off is the guest

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that we're going to have today because
he is very knowledgeable and once again we're

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going to talk a few prospects.
So right after this break, we'd be

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back to our guests. Welcome to
our show. A man who knows his

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prospects, and you know that he
knows his prospects on x AT Mitch L.

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Brown and conveniently enough named Mitchell Brown. Mitch, how you know it?

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Today? I am doing shockingly well. I thought I would be dead.

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I scheduled this podcast at this time
specifically because I would use my last

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reserves of energy to do this show, and then I would take a very

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long nap, maybe three or four
days long, eat nothing but Nanaimo bars

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and chocolate. And life would be
great. However, this was the most

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watchable World Juniors I've ever experienced in
my professional career because all of these teams

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came to play Norway, they pitied
the fool that dumped the pocket, holy

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crap, trying to make plays no
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super cool. So just like I
think part of it obviously having Last Sea

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lan and helped me with the data
and so on, but like also part

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of it was just that the hockey
there was like no real grind. It

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was just good the entire time,
even when it was like even when Cana

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was up on lat Via, Latvia
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offensive zone and stuff. Yeah,
I'm doing shockingly good. How are you

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guys doing. We're doing well,
man. We're like you were coming off

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the adrenaline high of this World Junior's
USA, as Victor said in the intro.

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But we're ready to talk a little
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in or were as tuned in to
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we're really looking forward. That's what
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some of the things coming off of
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the ways that you get data and
present it to the public as well as

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we go along. But I should
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doing. I don't want to speak
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doing? Yeah, I'm still pretty
happy with the result, obviously, the

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Americans coming through. I was telling
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little weird. Probably know how the
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the pressure. There was more pressure
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and this time it was a little
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But Theay got it done and it
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like all the games were very fun
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It was so good. And as
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was like we got a shutdown guy
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were shut down guys, I was
like, Team USAY is gonna be so

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cool this year. It was great. Yeah, lots of scoring, it

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was fun and yeah, so we
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but also to talk a little bit
about the awesome player cards and tracking data

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that you do. Anyone who listens
to this show knows that I've been a

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fan for a long time, and
I thought it'd be a good time to

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highlight a little bit of what goes
into it, because has described it's manual

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tracking data. It's not something that's
automated. It's one of the We asked

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our patron some questions for you,
and I think one of the first ones

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to get us started is just a
little bit from Denique about the process,

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like what goes into it. Obviously, nobody wants to blow up your spot

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or kind of ruin your ability to
do this, but honestly, probably if

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someone really wanted to do this,
they should realize how difficult it is.

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It's not something you're just going to
jump into. But as much as you

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want to tell us what kind of
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these things? What's your process?
That kind of thing about the cards and

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the data. So I think that
if someone wants to do this, I

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would more than welcome than to do
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track daty, you lose a year
on the end of your life. And

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I've been doing this for six years
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live to sixty anyway, just recognize
that there are trade offs for doing something

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this insanely stupid but yet somehow incredibly
rewarding. So the very first thing is

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a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet has a
bunch of columns. The columns are labeled,

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so in my case, I mean, there are million different ways to

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do it, but in my case
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then there are some like variables that
you can can and so one line on

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a scoring chance will tell you who
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a defender, and who who passed
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was, who passed the puck preceding
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screen or setting a pick or something
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whether it was a backhand wrister or
one timer, if it hit the

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net or not, if it generated
a rebound, who the goalie was in

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net. And then you have six
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game, and you have to input
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automate some of it because like you
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infer what occurs. If there's a
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usually going to be a rush shot, so like the rush section will automatically

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fill in. But yes, that's
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that you have to have a sheet
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be taxing on the computer, or
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make a stupid mistake for half a
season and not realize it and then be

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like, huh, it makes a
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because I broke it sometime in the
summer. So yeah, a lot of

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patients, a lot of time,
and a lot of adapting it to what

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you do. But I would say
specifically this is a little abstract, but

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theoretically you can track anything, right. You can track the craziest things.

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It's just a matter of time and
definition. So what you try to do

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is you say, I have an
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and there are going to be a
million gray areas, and so you

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start tracking that thing, and then
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going to manage all those gray areas. Like for a controlled exit, it

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sounds really simple who gets the puck
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that simple because who gets credit?
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someone takes two strives to go across
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a factor in that? And you're
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very basic one, but for every
type of event, you're going to have

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so many of them. And you're
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my tracking and I've been doing this
since I was twenty I'm twenty seven now

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and I'm still constantly adding stuff and
so be prepared for that investment. But

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yeah, it's just a ton and
a ton of work and time, and

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you know, I like in a
way like it teaches you new skills,

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Like I couldn't do basic arithmetic.
I can't even say the word. That's

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how bad it was when I first
started doing this, and now like I'm

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doing more advanced stuff. So yeah, just patience time, and if anyone's

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interested in I can send them email
me at Mitch Brown three one at gmail

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dot com and I can send you
what my setup looks like and give you

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my glossary and explainer and everything on
how I do it. That's amazing.

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And arithmetic, by the way,
is a great sobriety test, say that

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five times fast and if you can
without slurring, then you can drive home.

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I think it's a good, good
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I would love to see that set
up too, Not that I want

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to do it. I'm just very
curious. But I'm also like, I'm

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imagining, like when the games were
happening, I was even like doing this.

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I was imagining what you look like
at home doing this. So I'm

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just wondering, do you you probably
don't watch the live stream or I'm wondering

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if you watch like a delayed version, because you can like pause and look

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or rewind. Is that what you're
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like you said, and you might
have to rewind it and be like,

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what happened there? Which player was
that? You have to put the

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right number in the right column of
the spreadsheet? Right? So I imagine

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you're not just you're not just obviously
you're not just sitting back casually watching the

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game. You're watching each specific play
and you're trying to input each action into

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the spreadsheet. So I imagine you
have to pause, rewind and that sort

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of thing, right, Yeah,
And some games are worse than other,

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so usually I rewind about eighty two
one hundred times in a game, so

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like you're constantly just like going back, making sure it's a player, and

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like a lot of times the numbers
aren't visible. For example, those cursed

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USA jerseys this tournament, those blues
that the NTDP uses as well, like

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just fire those into the sun.
You can't see them on anything that isn't

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a four K stream. The commentary
isn't even the right player out and they're

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getting confused, like for some reason, like Olliver More is now Jimmy snutter

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Room because the just you can't see
the contrast isn't big enough. But yeah,

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I've complained about that on two other
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there. I think when the jatewent, I would see the jerseys and slack

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I would just like type screaming letters
into the scouch channel. It was just

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one of those experiences. But yeah, lots of rewinding, and usually I

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can catch up. So if I'm
doing a game live, I can.

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If I started at the same time, I can finish at roughly the final

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horn if there's enough penalty time,
because usually third periods tend to be fewer

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events and fewer whistles. The game
kind of evolves a little bit, and

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then as the tournament wears on,
you generally get fewer and fewer events occurring

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because teams are playing it's safer,
and so they're cutting back off the rushmore,

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they're delaying a little bit, they're
hammering the puck off the glass and

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out more often, so they're not
there are fewer broken plays in the neutral

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zone, which means you are dumb
things for me to record. Yeah,

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no, that makes sense, and
yeah, I think I'm with you.

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If it makes your life easier,
I'll join your lobby campaign to have clearly

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visible numbers because I want the most
accurate data too. One of the things

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that Deniko also mentioned here, which
I'm also curious about, because if for

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those of you who haven't looked at
the cards, you can just go look

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at Mitch's Twitter and you can see
because he'll post a lot of them.

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Fear if you have access to the
Patreon and the cards that you can see

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them there. But some of them
are pretty straightforward. They're shooting, and

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it's shot attempts versus expected goals,
passing attempts and goals, and then there's

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a whole transition box. There's a
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I want to ask you a little
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think the shooting, passing, maybe
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some of the defensive metrics, and
I'm wondering how you calculate the course plus

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also in the miscellaneous box, which
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like how well all that player is
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because some of those are some really
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involvement, and game score. Those
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that some of us believe might describe
an overall impact of the player more than

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just can he shoot the puck into
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and doesn't do anything else all game? That kind of thing. So I'm

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wondering what your thoughts are on those
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natural place to start this is actually
asking why are they on there? Like

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how do I choose to have that
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I think ideally the number of stats
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right, just one or more realistically
five to six. I could just do

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shooting, passing, transition efficiency,
transition volume for checking and defense. But

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then I'm only showing overview stuff like
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things that I think if you're watching
these guys regularly, you could mostly infer

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you'd be able to figure out,
you'd have a pretty good idea of you

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know, they have good transition efficiency
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that, in every given data set, there are a thousand plus players every

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year. All those guys do something, So I need to show enough information

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to properly showcase the abilities of as
many players as possible without overwhelming the user,

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which is very tricky. I basically
try to show a combination of things

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that seem intuitive, like shots.
For example, a player you watch,

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you're going to know if they shoot
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to have a lot of shots in
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stuff that isn't necessarily as intuitive,
because I want the person who is looking

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at it to engage with it and
interact with it critically. I don't want

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people just to see it and be
like, Oh, this shows that this

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player is good, Mitch is so
smart. Don't do that like, for

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the love of God, just engage
with it critically. If you have any

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questions about if you get it,
if you see a weird result, if

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something doesn't look right, nine of
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answer as to why that's happening,
whether it's just sample size, whether there's

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some index in there that works for
ninety five percent of players but not for

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five and so on. In that
way, I think it makes sense to

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go through some of the more advanced
stuffs cross lane plays. This is you

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have the dot lanes. Those who
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faceof dot and the defensive zone to
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Those are the two lines that divide
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chl the vast majority of rushes are
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on the outside, or they start
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inside. It's very rare for players
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ten percent of rushes in the COCHL
across lane. In the NHL, that's

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almost twenty five percent simply being able
to make those cross lane plays because there's

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an amount of skill that goes into
them They're not just like doing a couple

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quick crossovers, although that helps,
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You're weaponizing pressure instead of skating away
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highly translatable to the NHL. And
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plays, which is going the same
idea at lower levels. Guys who take

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the puck off the boards drive the
inside, they aren't always going to have

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great offensive results because they're reliant on
their teammates to create offensive chances for them

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or to just simply gabble up the
loose puck and create a chance. Say

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Matthew Nys, he was not a
guy who created a ton of high danger

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offense in the USHL, but in
the NCAA when he plays a snugger and

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Logan Cooley, he does because he's
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boards to the middle and so that
skill translates to a higher level and it

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leads to him getting better offensive results
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as basically, you have a guy
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to beat him, whether that's with
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are a few other different ways advantages
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This is basically just how much you
create time and space so you can

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pass it through an opponent. You
can drive off the boards and beat them

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to the net. You can use
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and then a shield to step out
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and so on. So there are
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do it. You can set picks. All that stuff gets funneled into advantages

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created, and this is one metric
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will score in junior in the future, even if they're not scoring already.

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So I'm lingeran it's My favorite example
of this was a guy who posted incredible

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advantages created hasn't scored a lick in
his life, but he's a good NHL

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player because he's very good at a
defending b creating time and space for his

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teammates. Like look at him on
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of times, it's not that he's
the guy who gets the puck over the

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blue line. It's that he draws
the first four checker and then quickly throws

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a cross ice to his partner,
who then has an easy up and out

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outlet, and so that's the type
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And then there's off puck assists,
which is like setting picks running the middle

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and so on. You see some
people who are like someone will post a

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video like, oh, look at
this great off puck play by this guy

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who skates down the middle and create
space for a shot behind him, and

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someone will be like, oh,
everyone in junior can do that. Wrong.

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You only get a couple of those
successful events of every single game in

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the CHL and in the NHL it's
every shift. So being able to do

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those things at a younger age is
super big. And then offensive involvement pretty

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simple, just the percentage of chances
you're setting up. So much of how

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much offense you're going to create in
junior is dependent on those around you,

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especially if you're more of a passer, and so adjusting four team is a

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big theme. And then game score
is just a volume, no efficiency,

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just straight volume. So even though
game score is a basic one, I

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like having it there because it's just
like the does things meter, and sometimes

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just doing things is like such an
incredibly valuable skill. The World Juniors was

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dominated this year by guys who were
just does things and that's pretty awesome.

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Two bunning compliments and a question coming
your way. Mitch. First, Yeah,

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it talk about the holy grail to
be able to figure out when a

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guy's production in CHL is going to
translate into things that can carry over to

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the NHL. That is the thing
that we all want to see. As

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far as you're tracking, I know
I did tracking. I've mentioned on the

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show before for I don't know,
maybe half a season for Ryan Stimpson when

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he was doing the passing project and
tracking the Royal Road passes and all the

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stuff you're talking about there, and
a dang near killed me. So the

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idea that you've tracked all these things
is madness and I do truly. It's

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we're not worthy on that one.
But I'm building to the question from Austin.

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Wanted to know if you've had player
cards that have given different results from

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your own eye test to the player, because that's the thing. You're not

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tracking stats alone. You're tracking those
stats visually and you can't help but watch

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the player play at the same time. I wonder whether Austin asks a great

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question. You're watching this, then
you come out, you look at the

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stats you're like, that is not
the way I saw this playing out when

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I was watching the game. Has
that ever happened? Honestly, not really.

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As you mentioned, it just comes
down to I'm tracking the things that

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interest me and the things that I
value in scouting a player, and so

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certainly there are times where like a
player will have generally better results than I

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expect them to think. Anthony Romani
was a good example last year, who

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we would have ranked had I finished
watching North Bay a day earlier, But

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we finalized the board the day that
I finished watching them, so he did

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not get on the board, and
he's going to get picked this year because

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he's like a goal per game in
the OHL. With him, he was

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a guy who I quite liked because
of his transition passing and I liked his

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ability to get open get scoring chances. But I didn't expect him to be

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like a top ten player in the
CHL as he was last year, And

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so usually it's that I don't.
The big thing for me is that it

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helps me seek quality and frequency better
than I would if I did not have

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the data. Yeah, that makes
sense. So Denique Wonders also a player

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who maybe has scored very high in
your model that was underrated in real life,

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or possibly the opposite, maybe someone
who poured scorely in the model but

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went onto a great NHL career.
So basically outliers in the data. One

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that maybe doesn't isn't really he's either
overcaptured or undercaptured and had an opposite effect

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in the NHL. Can you think
of some of those, yeah, players

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who scored very highly that maybe went
a bit lower than they should have in

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the draft. Andre Miller looked like
a top ten pick. All On Zaldegger

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had top fifteen results. Jake Sanderson
by December of his draft year had the

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results of a top ten pick,
and I don't think anyone really had him

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in that range at that time.
Jason Robertson, as I wrote on the

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ep rink side, but he had
results of a top three to top five

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pick in his draft year and didn't
go until the second. Adam Fox wasn't

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too far behind. But so I
think broadly the theme between all this is

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that again, all these guys are
players who generally generate lots of high quality

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scoring chances opportunities. Shot quality is
the big thing, and or it's guys

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who were very efficient very toolsy and
create out a really high volume. So

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guys who they might not necessarily make
the best play every single time, but

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their ability to do things so overwhelms
that fact that it doesn't matter. They're

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very good at creating advantages, and
then as they get older, they get

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better at making the best decision with
those advantages that they created. So we

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can go deeper with that team as
well. So Ranker Evans, who we

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ranked his original draft year. He
was on a bad team but posted incredible

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transition results. You blend that with
the fact that the kid could really skate,

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He jumped into the play aton,
he was active offensively. He went

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on picked, but he was picked
in the early second the next year,

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and he had like best defenseman in
the COCHL results that year. And for

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more examples, like think of anyone
really that elite prospects has ranked high or

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ranked at all, and then they
get picked in their D plus one or

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they go really lay Noah Chance Adwick
who's been probably a top ten defenseman in

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the COCHL this year, and I
think we might have been the only people

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to rank him. Rodwin Denizio,
who is the star of the world,

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who was a star at the World
Juniors. This year we ranked him,

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he goes unpicked, largely because the
great data showed that he was rough,

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but he was making high value plays. And then he gets picked the following

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year afterwards, and then as for
the opposite, this is a hard question

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to answer because I don't want to
turn around and be like, oh,

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this guy who posted mediocre data isn't
going to make the NHL at all,

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because I only have six years of
data. It's important to remember that seems

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like a really long time. I'm
sure my face shows it, but in

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terms of like actual statistical rigor of
six years is nothing. It's nothing.

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There are guys who from the first
year that I've started tracking, are just

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starting to become good NHL players.
I guess the preliminary refining of this is

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that players there are guys who like
outperformed. There are results in junior Certainly

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like Aiden McDonough. He was a
pretty bad D plus one in the USAHL,

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but Drudg bred Get disagreed with the
stats and picked him, and then

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he turned out to be a good
NCAA player and posted good results. But

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they end up posting good results at
some point in their career, right,

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So in a way that basically every
player, just like scoring who makes the

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NHL posts good results. So it's
hard to answer the flip side of that

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question. It's not to say that
everyone who posts good results make the NHL.

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They absolutely do not. It's just
that it's very unusual for players to

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have bad results and to make the
NHL at this stage. Of course,

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that could change in a year or
two when all these guys start making the

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NHL. For my first few years
of data, and it's just a little

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early to answer that latter part.
Yeah, that's fair and totally reasonable.

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And obviously, like you said,
the more you do it, the better

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you get, and you refine things
and the data has a stronger track record.

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All those things are are really important
to keep in mind. And another

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thing Patrick asks here on a different
angle, and I think this is always

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hard to keep in mind because Issenon's
get cut up in this too. You

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see a metric that's like off the
charts and you're like, WHOA, this

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guy is going to be an amazing
goal scorer or whatever. So I guess

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what his question is, what are
the cards really good at telling us?

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And maybe what are they not so
good at telling us what are the strengths

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and weaknesses, because I think it's
tempting. We'll talk about some of these

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in the next part. And you
can see someone who has a really poor

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defensive metric and you might say he's
poor defensively. Maybe it doesn't capture all

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that he does, or maybe it
just looks at some things that maybe there's

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some blind spots elsewhere. So what
do you think the cards are really good

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at? Like, what are they
telling us in general? And what are

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they really good and not so good
at telling us? I guess the central

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idea is that tracking data is really
good at telling us what is happening if

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it's tracked properly and if you have
covered your bases enough, but it's not

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so good at telling us what isn't
I guess that might actually sound a little

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bit of deuce. But so,
the number one strength of tracking data is

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that it can tell us who carries
the puck across either line, who generates

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the most scoring chances, who sets
up their teammates the most, and so

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on, And it can get more
granular. It can tell us like who's

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better at defending the rush, who's
best at getting defensive zone breakups. In

409
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that sense, it's great at highlighting
the style of a player, and when

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coupled with the evaluator's own sense,
it's quite good at showing the strengths and

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the weaknesses of a player. But
to tie it back to the beginning part,

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it fails because it doesn't account for
things that aren't happening, or more

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specifically, it fails when it doesn't
account for things that aren't happening. So

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defense is notoriously hard to measure because
good defense usually leads to an absence of

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things happening. So let's say you're
a good prospect on a bad team.

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You're very good at getting open,
but you don't get the puck much.

417
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,720
Hosting good offensive results is going to
be hard. If you're a defenseman who's

418
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on a bad team, who's primarily
a good off puck defender, you're gonna

419
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not get a ton of breakups or
of rush stops because you're not going to

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have the support to go and attack
guys defensively to do those things. And

421
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then another thing that data doesn't account
for is the opportunity cost aspect of offense,

422
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or just decision making in general.
Right, like it struggles to capture.

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If you have a two on one
and you decide that you're gonna shoot

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it far or glove side instead of
passionate, cross slow to a teammate who's

425
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wide open. You can track that
if you're an absolute Sickoh, but I

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have limitations and I have desires,
like leave my desk a couple hours every

427
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single day, go outside, eat
food. Maybe, so I can't do

428
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that. Theoretically you can, and
that would be the next big breakthrough in

429
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,599
tracking data like that would be able
to account for a lot. The flip

430
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side of that, however, and
now I'm just rambling, is advantage is

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created. Right. As I've talked
about in the Draft Retrospective series on ep

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ring side, the decisions that a
player makes aren't necessarily the most predictive for

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NHL success the positions and the opportunities
that they get, because opportunities and decisions

434
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are dictated by coaching, Which is
a perfect segue into the next thing that

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I want to talk about, which
is context. So I try to adjust

436
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for context, but you can never
really fully calculated, if that makes sense,

437
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Like the transition metrics are adjusted for
the team average, like Saganaw doesn't

438
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,839
dump the puck out. Swift Current
doesn't dump the puck out very much,

439
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000
but some other teams are going to
dump the puck out a ton, and

440
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so it's important to have that context
there. And as I mentioned earlier,

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offense is adjusted to the volume of
chances the team creates. But players,

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and I cannot stress this enough.
I cannot stress this enough, do not

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make decisions randomly. It's decided by
the structure directly i e. What the

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coach wants them to do, and
indirectly as in what types of options the

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structure creates for the players. And
there's always the limitations of teammates. Like

446
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sometimes I see people post a video
on Twitter and they're like this was a

447
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,119
dumb turnover, and it's like they
made the right pass. The guy just

448
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,799
didn't have a stick on the ice. He's twenty three years old. He

449
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,200
should have a stick on the ice. That's not a failing to the guy

450
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who passed the puck. And so
you know, you're constantly having and scouting

451
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and in data and everything to figure
out the best way to manage the contextual

452
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side of this. And then where
it gets really tricky is that, especially

453
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at lower level hockey, different players
have different levels of freedom. There are

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guys who the coach won't talk to
at all, and there are other guys

455
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who the coaches if you passed that
puck across the blue line, I'm never

456
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gonna play you again. And that's
like impossible to adjust for statistically because I

457
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,319
can't like talk to every single player
and be like, what is your coach

458
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,960
telling you to do and then cop
with a mathematical formula to figure out that.

459
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In that sense, it's why a
lot of huge minute, high skilled

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prospects, usually defensemen, will have
some like kind of wonky transition results.

461
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They won't be like super efficient because
they just can't be efficient within the role

462
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or the environment that they're given.
Like it's a pretty I think Simone Nemts

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at the World Juniors was a guy
who was an example of this, where

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he was one of the leaders in
game score, but he wasn't very efficient.

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But is simply because he's playing big
minutes on a team where fifteen of

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his minutes every single night, he's
not going to have any passing option.

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So what do you expect him to
do? Carrie the puck up himself every

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single time. That's only going to
work fifteen percent of the time. There

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are just so many little things.
And I guess there's the opportunity side of

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it too. The players need opportunity
to post good results, and sometimes players

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can't apply things that they're good at, like the vast majority of players can

472
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,640
do most things at this level.
It just comes down to opportunity and a

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00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680
billing and ability to apply it.
So in that sense, like to tie

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it all together, because I have
been talking probably for a very long time,

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is that it doesn't tell you that
player X is better than player why

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00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:55,440
straight up, even if one has
a dark blue chart and one has a

477
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,839
mixture of light blue and gray.
But it can help inform you of the

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stylistic differences, and with metrics like
advantages created boards to metal plays and so

479
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,920
on, it can tell you which
one might be more translatable to the NHL

480
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,839
if you're willing to put in the
time and effort into identifying why they have

481
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,799
those results. Very good, That
is some good data people ought to look

482
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:22,440
at. We need to talk about
these World juniors and a couple of the

483
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:29,799
players that we're playing for and will
drew so right after this, so goalies

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got no reasonly back with Mitch Brown, and we need to talk about some

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00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,359
of the great performances we saw or
some of the players that we need to

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00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:52,279
talk about after that World Junior's Victor
who we got first. Well, the

487
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first one we're going to talk about
is the fresh prince that is Will Smith.

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00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:59,400
And this was These are based on
what people wanted to hear about,

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so people are curious about Will Smith. He had nine points in seven games,

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00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,240
helping USA to the gold medal.
I think at times he was very

491
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:13,440
good offensively when you're tracking data.
His primary assists for sixty were really high,

492
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,759
his expected goals were really high.
A lot of his other metrics,

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including transition and defense in particular,
were not so good or poor. His

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00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,200
defense is rated at ten ten percent
tile, which is really bad. These

495
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,279
are six tracked games and a small
tournament, small sample size, all that

496
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,799
kind of stuff. But I think
the overall context so far Will Smith in

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his transition to the NCAA, he's
been very good. Twenty three points in

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00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,480
seventeen games. The points are there
after being over two points per game at

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00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,240
the USNTDP, but some of his
equivalencies have actually gone down. Just based

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00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,680
on this as well, Wondering overall
how is he how is he looking?

501
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Are you concerned about anything? What
did you think about Will Smith in this

502
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:57,599
tournament? Mitch and his projection moving
forward? Now, so I thought he

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00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,759
was Will Smith. The fact that
he's the fourth over pick, I think

504
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:07,599
has people's expectations a little bit shifted. He's a quieter, hyper efficient offensive

505
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:13,199
player who's very good at creating extreme
high value offensive situations. So like cross

506
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,280
a lot one time or so how
many times did you see him fire one

507
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,599
of those or create one of those
this tournament? A lot? Because that's

508
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,760
what he does. That's what he's
good at. He's not so good at

509
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,360
the controlled entry stuff. He's not
so good at dynamic rushes. Ryan Leonard

510
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,639
handles those on that line gave Paroda's
more of the transition passing than Smith does.

511
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,679
He's not a four checker. He's
not much of an offensive player.

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00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,360
As a result, his game tends
to fall very much into the background.

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00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,480
That's just the cost of doing business
with Will Smith. And that's not to

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say that he can't be a great
offensive player. He can be, but

515
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:52,239
you do have to see more urgency
from him, more pace, more aggressiveness

516
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,320
with the pluck to be able to
translate his offensive game to the next level.

517
00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,000
With that said, he is pretty
sublime offensively, He's very the same.

518
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He can control the game. So
this tournament was just him holding the

519
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,480
line, and I think it showed
at a larger scale some of the concerns

520
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,840
that we had last season. I
think this tournament pretty much confirmed that our

521
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:19,320
suspicion last year that of the three, Ryan Leonard and Gay Perrot are the

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00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,360
player drivers. And that's not to
say that Will Smith is going to be

523
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,599
the third best player of them in
the NHL, but that for now,

524
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,159
Will Smith the image and Will Smith
the player aren't always going to a line

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just because of the way that he
plays. Dang, all right, all

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00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,559
right, that's a rough blow,
Victor, roughblow, Victor will Smith,

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00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,880
fresh prints of your San Jose Sharks. I suspect Mitch that if you just

528
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:52,679
ask somebody who casually followed the tournament
what goalie performance was the best, Who

529
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,960
was the goalie who was most outstanding? A whole lot of people might say

530
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,599
Hugo Havelid. But I I'm curious
your opinion and your data on this.

531
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:07,119
Do you think Joel actually asked the
question, is Hugo Havlot going to get

532
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:13,480
drafted this year? What's his upside? So I don't know goalies because goalies

533
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,400
scare me and I don't like being
scared. So I don't know goalies.

534
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,599
But how many five, ten,
five to eleven goalies get picked into the

535
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:28,119
NHL? Especially re entry is like
he's twenty already. I think Michael DiPietro

536
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,760
thing is probably going to scare some
teams away from picking non six to one

537
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:35,559
goalies and up yeah, I doubt
he gets picked for me. The best

538
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,320
goalie of this term was Adam guy
In again second straight year. He was

539
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:45,599
ridiculous ash she was so good.
He was phenomenal. It's incredible watching him

540
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,800
play too, because it's not just
the story of how he got here,

541
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,800
but like he is very entertaining,
Like he's a rare goalie who like you're

542
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,440
just watching the game and you see
him like controlling the game with his movement,

543
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,000
how active he is trying to find
guys and so on. Yeah,

544
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,880
I really liked watching him. And
then Trey Augustine. I know he only

545
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,199
got in four games, but I
was really impressed with him. Simple technically

546
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,480
sound, moved, very economical.
I was pretty impressed with him. There

547
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,320
were a lot of goalies at this
tournament who were bad. This was a

548
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,239
tournament, This was not a tournament
for good goaltending, is for sure.

549
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,960
But I understand that the context was
a little different this year with every team

550
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,239
being or trying to play offense,
and there was a lot of talent available.

551
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,440
But yeah, I wouldn't bet on
hav Lead getting picked, certainly not

552
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:35,199
as a five ten, five eleven
goalie. Yeah, I'm with you with

553
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,320
Augustine. I thought there were times
where USA was getting it taken to them

554
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,000
and he was holding them in.
I mean that first period against that first

555
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:46,679
part of the game against Sweden,
it could have been like four or five

556
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,679
nothing, you know, before they
realized what happened to them. So he

557
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,800
kept it in it, which is
also the case. Was it last World

558
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,920
Junior or the World Junior before?
I can't remember where he kept them in

559
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,559
the gold medal game. So yeah, he's definitely tracking data. There is

560
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,880
goalie tracking data and goal save above
expected Trey Augustine was the best with Adam

561
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,199
Guyan right behind, so there's some
and not too many were above right,

562
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,280
as you mentioned, a lot of
them were below that that average line or

563
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,840
expected line, So that's good to
know. So the next player we want

564
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,639
to talk about is Lane Hudson and
Ryan. I think initially in the tournament

565
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,119
was kungu in cheek saying is he
as good as we thought? Or did

566
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:28,440
any of the performance answer some questions? Defensively, when I watched Lane,

567
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,599
I think I was overall pretty impressed. Some of his defensive work with his

568
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,960
stick and some of his skating was
seemed a little bit better to me.

569
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,559
You have lots of years of tracking
data with Lane Hudson, and the worst

570
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,880
part is always the defensive game.
But this tournament it was the best of

571
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,800
the last ones that I've seen you
had. Actually it was a little bit

572
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,039
worse this twenty twenty four. I
was looking at last year's World Junior was

573
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,960
a little bit better, but he
generally is in kind of that thirty to

574
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fifty percent tile range, whereas the
offense and transition is actually much better.

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00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:05,119
But I did what I saw there
and offensively, he just completely dictates the

576
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,719
pace in the game. It's impressive
to watch, and at the end,

577
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,599
I think my favorite part was when
he stepped up and through some haymakers with

578
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,440
the guy that's seven inches eight inches
taller than him Antonio Hanson and took him

579
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,079
down. That was showing some physicality
there, which is not something I necessarily

580
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,119
want to see from Lane Hudson.
But it was nice to see that he's

581
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:27,599
not going to back down from those
sort of challenges. Tell us what you

582
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,920
thought about Hudson. Did he prove
or disprove any questions about his defensive game

583
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,400
or anything else that we learned from
him. I thought we learned a lot

584
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,599
about Layneotton this terminal. I was
really impressed, and I understand he wasn't

585
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,360
as dynamic as normal, he wasn't
as electrifying as normal. But you saw

586
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,599
very much a NHL version of Lane
Hudson, and the same way you saw

587
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,800
very much an NHL version of Denton
Mattachuck or Rodin Nitzio, where their game

588
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,840
was simplified, but in a way
they also optimized that they were making better

589
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,039
decisions. They were controlling the play
in ways that are more translatable. So

590
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:05,119
instead of trying to dipsy dangle everyone, he was creating more space up top

591
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,039
and allowing his teammates to walk into
shots. He was still creating offense while

592
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:13,079
keeping the turnovers fewer. And I
think you did see some concerns, right,

593
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,199
Obviously, the skating, the explosiveness. He would trick a guy and

594
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,960
then the guy would just be like, take one step and catch up to

595
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,800
him and strimm of the buck.
So that's concerning. But he had other

596
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,920
ways to impact the game offensively,
which was great and it was so good

597
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,440
to see him do that. And
then defensively, You're totally right, Victor.

598
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,960
The physical aspect of his game was
so much better. He was much

599
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,079
better at getting inside people's hands,
winning positioning, the stick work was so

600
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,199
much better. The rush defense,
this is the worst I've ever seen Lanehatson

601
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:44,280
defend the rush. It was just
atrocious. I don't even know what he

602
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,719
was doing out there some of those
nights. Like it wasn't a lack of

603
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,679
effort. I think it was that
he was trying to play a more risk

604
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,760
free defensive style and in doing so
he conceded the zone a ton, But

605
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,639
he did help offset it with more
breakups deeper in the zone. But in

606
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,559
terms of translatability, this version of
Lane Hudson is what you will see in

607
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:10,800
the NHL. He's not going to
be a hundred point destroy everyone defensive who

608
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,119
breaks ankles from a point every single
game. But a guy who can find

609
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:20,480
seems, create opportunities, shift through
the defense in the right moment. Yeah,

610
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,000
that was Lane Hudson and that was
really fun and that's a hell of

611
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:27,920
a prospect. It was so cool
watching him play in an NHL way.

612
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,079
All right, Mitch, I don't
want to scare you, but I got

613
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,239
to give the people what they want. So I'm going to drag you back

614
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,000
over to the goalies and Ts Rousseau. But Canadians they're watching their guy,

615
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:43,199
Mats Rousseau. And you know,
obviously candidate didn't get the outcome that they

616
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,800
wanted from the tournament. But do
you think that Rousseau will get drafted this

617
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,760
year? And if so, what
kind of upside would he have. I

618
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,800
have my doubts that he gets picked. I think he needed a good World

619
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,599
Juniors as a sub six foot goalie
to get picked. He's a problem with

620
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:05,840
him is the size and the lack
of explosiveness given his technical ability. If

621
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,079
he had a little bit more explosiveness, he's probably a pick regardless, just

622
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:13,559
because there are so many components there
that can help overcome the whole being five

623
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,639
to eleven thing that scares teams away. But because he doesn't have that,

624
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:21,320
I'm not sure. And then at
the World Juniors he was not great in

625
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,039
front of a team that gave him
a ton of the They really helped him

626
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,719
personally. Samuel Saint Hilaire, I
think he probably should have gotten to look

627
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,280
this tournament. And I also think
he has the higher NHL upside. I

628
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,199
wouldn't be surprised if he gets picked
in the mid to late rounds and then

629
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,280
is in the NHL within three years. There were definitely people we did a

630
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,800
little World Junior Fantasy Hockey life pool. There were a lot of people who

631
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,760
picked Saint Hilaire and were really disappointed
he didn't get more of a look as

632
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,440
well. Fair enough, Yeah,
they're with you all right, Eastern Cowen.

633
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,159
As you might imagine, Mitch,
there are one or two people who

634
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,519
listen to this podcast that are Leaf
fans, and there of course looking at

635
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:07,280
their Eastern Cowen and their favorite Maple
Leaf prospect and possibly a little disappointed or

636
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,360
just confused with what happened. I
think overall the performance from a lot of

637
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,239
Canada's top players was a little disappointing. But do you think that maybe some

638
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,639
of the hype was over amplified by
Leaf's nation or like how legit is Eastern

639
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:24,199
Cowen. Looking at your tracking data
from last year, I don't think the

640
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,719
new ones available yet or it's going
to be soon. But he was actually

641
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,119
really good offensively in some of those
metrics, so I think, you know,

642
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:35,199
some people weren't too surprised that he
went as early as he did,

643
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,719
and in this tournament he was actually
really good defensively. That was one of

644
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:44,519
his weaknesses last year, and defensively
he was sixty eighth percentile and his transition

645
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,320
game was really good. Maybe his
offense wasn't there, you know, his

646
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,360
expectacles was below average, But what
did you think of Cowen? And what

647
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,079
does the tracking data tell us about
his performance? So I think this ties

648
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,639
into the earlier conversation, right,
Cowen's always been very good defensively. The

649
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:05,400
difference is that he's very good at
pushing guys into unfavorable situations rather than being

650
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,400
the guy who steals the puck.
So he's not going to check out well

651
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,599
in tracking data. But if you
watch him even last year, he was

652
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:16,360
very good defensively and that means that
extended to this tournament. He didn't have

653
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,119
quite the same energy or physicality as
he normally does at this tournament because at

654
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,639
his core, what he is he's
a super annoying, super physical offensive guy

655
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,039
who likes to delay off the rush. He didn't have as much physicality,

656
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,760
he wasn't annoying, and he didn't
have the delay game off the rush,

657
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,880
and so he wasn't able to create
as much offense at this tournament and he

658
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,800
wasn't as noticeable. However, he
still did the Eastern Cown things like at

659
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,960
some point, I just don't know
what more we wanted an eighteen year old

660
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,159
Eastern Cowen to do. He still
got the puck off the boards to the

661
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:52,239
inside a ton. He created tons
of favorable situations. We saw him play

662
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,480
a higher pace give and go transition
game that yes had had some mixed results,

663
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:59,880
and he wasn't able. He wasn't
as able to create high injurer offense

664
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,880
as a result, because so much
of his game is like gain the zone,

665
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,280
delay, find the trailer, then
sprint the net for a rebound or

666
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,760
another pass he was He didn't have
any of those plays this tournament, but

667
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:13,840
I was pretty impressed with him.
I think next year he comes back,

668
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,239
he's going to be a top guy. You're going to see a more dynamic

669
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,559
version of him. As for is
he legit, Yeah, he projects as

670
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:23,559
a plug and play top nine forward. You can play them on the top

671
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,639
line, you can play them on
the third line. He's going to do

672
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,199
the same thing. He's probably going
to get to spend it a few times.

673
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,440
He's going to draw a ton of
penalties. He's going to annoy everyone,

674
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,920
and he's going to create space for
his teammates. I like to call

675
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:42,400
him the mini Matthew Knights. Looking
at this next player, Frank Nazer on

676
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:47,800
the primary points five on five chart, he is so high up in the

677
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,400
expected primary assist per sixty that I'm
afraid if he fell he would hurt himself.

678
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,639
And the question we got from Bacon
in Space is why does he love

679
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,679
primary assists so much? Any any
thoughts on that one. Yeah, that's

680
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,239
a really fun question because you can
take it in a few different ways.

681
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,440
It's for me, that question is
like what does he do differently than other

682
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:15,920
people to create offense? Right?
And I think with Frank it's the fearlessness

683
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:20,039
is back. He's back, and
I know he faded throughout the tournament.

684
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,400
He had a good Gold medal game. But he's seeing those lanes that he

685
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,000
wasn't using in the NCAA before.
He's seeing those crosssawt opportunities, the high

686
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,159
danger chances. We were talking about
shot quality earlier. This guy all he

687
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:35,760
does is look for quality, high
pace, cut back, find the guy

688
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,800
in the middle, attack the inside, slip the puck under a stick,

689
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,800
cross loot one timer. That thing
goes in fifty percent of the time.

690
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:45,679
He had so many passes that he
was basically just turning for reference. The

691
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,239
high danger chance unassisted is usually like
a twenty percent shot if it's a cross

692
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,719
slot one time, or it's thirty. If it's to the far post,

693
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,000
it's fifty. And so he was
going for not the high danger chances,

694
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,719
but the one timer. It's the
crossland feeds the stuff behind the net.

695
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,039
And you saw a really nice little
interaction with how Team USA played so team

696
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,280
Sweden. If you watch that gold
medal game, one of the things that

697
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:16,079
really stands out is Sweden looked very
slow behind the net. Team USA always

698
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:22,199
had speed behind behind the offensive net. Sweden grinds it out behind the net,

699
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,280
lots of cycling down low and then
squired a puck out into the middle

700
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:30,239
team USA does their cycle higher up, and so when guys like Frank Nazar

701
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,559
get the puck off the boards,
they just sprint behind the net and they

702
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,480
have speed going to the high danger
area. When you're behind the net,

703
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:40,280
the entire game reacts to you.
You're in control, you can dictate it,

704
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,360
and that's where you want your skill
players. And so you really saw

705
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,039
in that game the contrast between and
Frank Nasar was taking advantage of that all

706
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,519
tournament long. And so I think
he's back. He was great on the

707
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,480
four check. He was really dependable, defensively, high paced, played fearlessly.

708
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,280
It was just so much fun to
watch. For me, that was

709
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,159
the highly of the turn, seeing
Frank Nasar back and doing Frank Nasar Things's

710
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,079
like, Man, I was giddy
every time I saw him step on the

711
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:08,039
ice. I was like, this
is what it's about. I was so

712
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:13,559
happy for him. Yeah, super
excited to see that. Like you said

713
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,239
too, A lot of the passes
that he made, it's the forward almost

714
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,840
had no choice but to score.
Yeah, it would be harder to not

715
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,280
score. It would be the score. I could probably put those some of

716
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,679
those in. No. Yeah,
he's really impressive and it ties into the

717
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,559
last question a little bit, But
I just wanted to reference the chart a

718
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:36,719
little bit. Gay pro up there, Martin Johnson of Norway up there,

719
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,760
and maybe some other Canadians that people
wouldn't expect, like Matthew Wood really high

720
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,079
expected primary sist Jordan Dumay, who
I'm sure a lot of Canadians are upset

721
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,679
didn't score more. But in your
tracking data he was creating, it just

722
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,920
didn't didn't convert, and that that
can happen. Yeah, So with do

723
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:59,159
May, I think this is interesting
discussion. It's he created, he got

724
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,039
pucks off the to the middle,
created opportunities, but a lot of them

725
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:05,519
were It was volume more so than
quality. It wasn't necessarily a ton of

726
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:08,239
high danger looks, but more stuff
to the guy who was like at the

727
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,000
short side for a one time or
that's easier to save. It was more

728
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,559
to guys at the top of the
slot where it's easier to save, and

729
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,840
so on. I think that ties
into a broader projection concern with his game.

730
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,280
He's he's an incredibly smart player.
It's just that the way that he

731
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:30,199
creates, combined with his like lack
of speed and physicality, means that he's

732
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:34,559
going to have to play this ultra
precise, ultra intelligent, super deceptive game

733
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,400
where the margins are so slim that
it's going to be harder for him,

734
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,000
like significantly so to score in the
NHL than it will be at any other

735
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:47,320
level. And I think he needs
to start finding ways to create more of

736
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,679
that high value translatable offense rather than
just creating like walking opportunities. Yeah,

737
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,800
and we didn't plan to talk about
this, but can I ask you about

738
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,800
Matthew Wood real quick? Sure?
Yeah, Becau. He's someone who I

739
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,000
was a little concerned about. His
feet are just lacking, but he's a

740
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,679
big dude and he can impose his
physicality. Having a bit of a down

741
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,559
year in the NCAA just in terms
of what he did in his first year,

742
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,760
but I thought he was impressive at
times with this tournament. He was

743
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,639
often like a fourth or fifth liner, and he worked his way up the

744
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,280
lineup and I think did some really
good things on maybe a subpar Canadian performance,

745
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,000
and some of the charts that you
have and some of your tracking data

746
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,199
shows that he did do some really
good things. I do think though,

747
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,199
he needs someone to move the puck
and transition things for him because that's never

748
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,039
going to be his strength with his
foot speed. So it seems like someone

749
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,719
who needs some help. But if
he gets it, he can be really

750
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,559
effective. Where's your thoughts on Wood? Yeah, I really liked Matthew Woods

751
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:51,679
this tournament. I think again,
another shot quality guy. Created a lot

752
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:54,360
of high danger offense, had that
nice goal in the game that they got

753
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,239
eliminated in. Showed more of a
playmaking side. He was very driven to

754
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,360
get to the middle. The interesting
part about a transition game is that he's

755
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,559
actually very smart and he can make
moves around guys and so on. It's

756
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:08,800
just as he said, the foot
speed kind of hampers him and so I

757
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,159
want him to play more of a
passing style. But him and Carson Raykov,

758
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,559
these were two of the very best
players in the tournament offensively, and

759
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:21,280
they barely played. Canada had a
lot of tactical issues that they failed with,

760
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:24,920
but they also did not ice the
best team that they could have with

761
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,800
the guys that they brought. Ray
Cobbin would both need to be in that

762
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,679
Raykov should have been in the top
six. He was by everything that I

763
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,079
have, he was like he was
one of their best forwards. Top three

764
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,719
minimum by almost everything, and that
guy played like forty five minutes in the

765
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,480
tournament at five on five. It
was some ridiculous usage. And the thing

766
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:50,119
is, I don't in both wood
case in wood case as well, like

767
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,320
they did what the coach wanted them, wanted to do, but they just

768
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,920
didn't get rewarded for it. They
played physical, they were engaged defensively,

769
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,079
they tried, and they didn't get
rewarded for that, whereas other guys in

770
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:08,480
the top six didn't do those things
and continued to play there. It was

771
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:15,239
very strange overall. Yeah, no
shortage of being spilled on all the tactical

772
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:21,760
decisions that Canada made. But let's
wrap up with the final question from Patrick.

773
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,039
This is open ended, and do
you have any names of players who

774
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:28,559
you think have really risen or fallen
in the last six months. I know

775
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:34,880
that you've been tracking CHL and other
games and the new player cards will be

776
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,039
available soon, but I'm wondering if
any of them come to mind in terms

777
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:44,599
of someone whose stock has really risen
or fallen. So I think I do

778
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,559
actually have a preview of that data
out on my Patreon now there are twenty

779
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,280
nine teams, four hundred players with
at least four games, so it's not

780
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,800
like the deepest data set, but
there's a lot of interesting stuff there.

781
00:52:54,199 --> 00:53:00,519
I think players who've risen the most
Noah Chadwick probably the most improved player CHL.

782
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:02,800
I think he was a sixth rounder
by the Toronto Maple Leafs. He's

783
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,760
always been more of an offensively inclined
guy. He just didn't score, but

784
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,639
the tracking data showed that he was
actually very good at creating scoring chances,

785
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,159
and he was good at defending the
rush. And I was very curious to

786
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,079
see him this season, and surely
enough, he's been a dynamic offensive player,

787
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,960
jumping into the play a lot,
showing some improved footwork. Probably the

788
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,840
most improved player in the CHL.
Probably a top ten defense in the COCHL

789
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,199
this season. Been very impressed with
him. Another guy who's really risen his

790
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,119
Maverick Limrou. He's been a bit
of an awkward guy, but of a

791
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:37,920
tough guy to evaluate because you see
the glimpses of the brain flashes of like

792
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:43,760
activation, skill playmaking, but he's
just been limited by his body in his

793
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,840
mechanical ability, but coordination wasn't always
there, and he would also just like

794
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,719
endlessly hunt big hits, but he's
really sorted that out this year where he's

795
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,400
more stable, he plays a more
controlled style, and he's creating a ton

796
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,719
of offense out there. He's very
impressive to watch. I thought some of

797
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,559
his plays at the World Juniors this
year are pretty impressive, where you have

798
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:07,039
this big guy who fakes a pass
up the boards, cut back and then

799
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,000
attacks the middle and then jumps into
the play. And he's been a huge

800
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:15,039
rise for me this season. Very
impressed and I think if you were a

801
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,400
prospect, like draft person, two
guys who should be watching for this year

802
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,639
Harrison Brunnick and Tarren Smith. Terren
Smith didn't play last year. I think

803
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:27,880
he only appeared in fourteen games because
of an injury. He has a nasty

804
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,920
style, and this dude just drips
style. When you watch him play.

805
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:35,159
He does all sorts of crazy things
from the blue line, NonStop entertainment value.

806
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,360
He's really picking it up. And
Harrison Brunnick tough team, strong tracking,

807
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:44,159
data, really involved. He's a
guy who you can clearly see has

808
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,039
studied a lot of Kill mccartape.
From the point he's doing a lot of

809
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:50,760
that lateral movement stop start, dangle
through guys and so on. Six foot

810
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,440
three defenseman fun to watch. And
then as for the guys who have fallen,

811
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:59,800
now one is harder. I was
trying to think of guys who will

812
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fall and as I was talking,
and no one is coming to me.

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But yeah, anyone in the AHL
usually is a good bet. That's the

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rule of thumb. If you're in
the AHL for more than a year and

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you're not leading the league in scoring, that's usually a good bet to be

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a little bit concerned, because I
think the more time you spend in the

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AHL, in a weird way,
the harder it can be to transition to

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the NHL. They're very different leagues
in terms of projection, in terms of

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how they play, in terms of
tactics, because the AHL is overcoached their

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NHL tactics. NHL desires for guys
who don't have the ability to make those

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plays consistently. And so for guys
in the AHL for a year and a

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half plus and they're not leading the
league in scoring, say Maverick Bork,

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then it's time to start being concerned
about where they're at. There we go,

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Mitch, why don't you let everybody
know about the great places that they

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can see things like those cards that
are coming out and everything else you got

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going on out there. Yes,
so you can follow me at mitche ol

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Brown on Twitter. In my bio
there's a link to the Patreon where you

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can subscribe. I think we have
over two hundred subscribers so far. We

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have currently available all the world Junior's
data from last season. There's a preview

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of this year's COCHL data with over
four hundred players. And you can also

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had to eperingside dot com read our
articles. We have some fun stuff coming

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out the Lastie Landon and I have
an article on what went wrong for Canada,

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Why I know Uslin should have won
MVP, how Sweden could have gotten

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more out of Yonatan Leakemaki and so
on, and so lots of fun stuff

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coming on EP ring side, So
check that all out. You said the

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magic word, Lacarry, Maki,
Mitch. We appreciate that on this show.

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But more to the point, we
appreciate you coming on barely having slept,

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00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:52,639
running on fumes and adrenaline and probably
coffee at this point. Thank you

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so much for being a part of
this and going over some of this great

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world Junior's material with us absolutely anytime. Real ones know what I'm about to

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say. Fantracks dot Com are shows
brought to you by them. They do

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some wonderful fantasy leagues. That is, you play your leagues. There are

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ten different sports, Fantasy Hockey chief
among them. For our audience. I'm

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sure you can move your leagues over
to fan tracks. You ask them and

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they'll help you. I bet you
if you open up Let's say you're a

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fantasy football player. I'll bet you
if you open up your league, I

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believe it would be Monday morning.
I think I don't think there's a Sunday

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night game. There's a good chance
you could set up a fantasy football league

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for twenty twenty four. That's how
quick they are in opening up their platform,

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unlike others where you will be waiting
very very late in the game and

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it'll be very difficult to do things
like prospect drafts, all the options for

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scoring, salaries, contracts, rookie
eligibility that you want to have. Theantrack

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SHQ lots of fantasy content. There
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crew is an army content curator.
Kevin Adams helps out with the show prep

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boy. We appreciate that he puts
in a lot of the stuff. People

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who have the access to the show
sheets, the patrons know and would be

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surprised how much of that is Kevin
putting into this right now. Ryan Downey,

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the Tidy Admiral, he helps commission
all the tidy leagues. That's a

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lot of work. Appreciate our guy, Ryan, even though he stomped me

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in the World Junior's Draft. Brandon
our website Gurua doing a fantastic job.

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There's a lot going on with the
website. I think Victor talked about it

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at the beginning of the show.
Jeremy V lead scout. We're always working

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00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:57,079
on scouting reports. We're always looking
at video on prospects around here, not

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00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,119
just Victor, but the whole crew, and Jeremy V is the ring master.

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Jason helps with our prospect ranks.
That is what Victor's putting together there.

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Paul is trying to help us keep
the whole thing together with workflow and

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if you have skills, you'd like
to lend the show and keep making this

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,320
an even stronger operation. Hit Victor
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We're also brought to you by Daber
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editor there. Follow us work there
as well as this other podcast, Dauber

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Prospects Report with Peter Harling. I
do a solo show, Dynasty Sports Life.

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00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,760
I talk for different Dynasty Sports sometimes
multiple at the same time. We're

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gonna dig way down deep in some
baseball prospects this week with Nate Handy,

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00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,840
one of our favorite guests, who
gets into some of the guys who you

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,960
know, hockey has the same type
of guys, guys who don't have the

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pedigree, but they start to show
out a little bit. They passed the

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00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,920
eye test in the in the minors, and maybe we need to pay more

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01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:07,239
attention to them. That's Nate's favorite
flavor a player. I write a little

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01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,440
bit for fan Tracks myself. If
you don't know, I've been writing an

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,000
off season series on off season Dynasty
Prep, which really, frankly overlaps a

881
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:20,719
whole lot to my preparation or my
thought process on Dynasty Hockey in the third

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01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:25,960
edition about the trades that you can
do around your prospect draft is out right

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now. Follow Victor and myself on
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lately. That's the hosting service that
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branch out and we're doing this,
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pretty cool thing. Rate and review
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interested in the show. Thank you
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your world. Junior's time. We're
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season and until next time, keep
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