WEBVTT

1
00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:10.599
Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

2
00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:16.399
use authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here's your

3
00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:24.920
host, Alejandro Roja. Hello,
and thank you mister Roberto Dean for introducing

4
00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.320
me. That's always so nice.
And I know people we got some comments,

5
00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.000
some guys like, let's Sue's read
that. Robert Dean, this is

6
00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.799
your intro. That is thank you
very much. We have a lot going

7
00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:38.520
on. I know you guys missed
the hell out of us. We missed

8
00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:45.159
you too. People were freaking out. But it's okay now because we're back

9
00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:49.759
and we're better than ever. One
of the questions that I have been getting

10
00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.920
quite a bit before I talk about
who our guest is, it's about Frank

11
00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:58.399
Kimbler. And I keep talking about
him every week because people keep asking what's

12
00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.159
going on, what's going on?
What's going on? And some of you

13
00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:06.239
may have seen online that yes,
indeed, one of the samples that he

14
00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:10.079
sent, the first sample, he
sent it to a lab to have it

15
00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:14.319
analyze, but according to the lab
technician, when the package got there,

16
00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:21.280
it was not there. He told
us on the air that he was going

17
00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:26.239
to walk those samples personally to see
them get analyzed. And I know it

18
00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.599
sounds like maybe to some of you
out there who are you know, kind

19
00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.040
of like me a little bit,
you know, you would think that's just

20
00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.920
kind of ridiculous that you would have
to do that. You can mail a

21
00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.400
sample, how could it get lost? Which a big deal. People mail

22
00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.599
stuff all the time. Actually I
get stuff lost in the mail all the

23
00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:49.439
time. But anyway, it wasn't
it. She opened the package and it

24
00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.480
wasn't there, So very strange.
Of course, conspiracy minds are flying.

25
00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.280
How did the sample not get from
point A to point B? Some people

26
00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.000
are thinking, well, maybe Frank
for got to put it in there,

27
00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.840
that's what the lab tech thought.
Actually, but as we know we've had

28
00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:09.000
him on the show, he's a
very rigorous person. He takes every step

29
00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:15.240
of the process very seriously because he
teaches science and this is what he teaches

30
00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:20.479
his students to do, so he's
very careful. So there is absolutely no

31
00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:24.400
doubt that he put the sample in
the package, at least in my mind

32
00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:30.879
or his mind. But somehow between
point and B. Point B being a

33
00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.919
very trusted source, so this lab
that it went to was someone that was

34
00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.960
a friend had referred to someone who
could be very trusted. The person who

35
00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:45.560
opened the package is that this person
knew. So all along this chain of

36
00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:50.080
those we know involved seem to be
very reputable people. So it is very

37
00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.560
strange, of course that this sample
is gone. Luckily, as Frank says,

38
00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:58.319
it's no big deal because he has
many more samples. He's got something

39
00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.159
like fourteen in total, so not
a problem. He is going to keep

40
00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:08.039
on trucking along and I get those
analyzed and we'll see where it goes from

41
00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.759
there. But I did want to
update people because people did put that on

42
00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.039
the web, and I wanted to
confirm that I've been in contact with Frank,

43
00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:22.199
and that is indeed what has happened. Some people have accused Frank of

44
00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:27.199
doing it himself, sending an empty
package so that he could say, oh

45
00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.759
man, I had this et proof, but it was stolen by the government

46
00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:36.039
and now it's gone. That's kind
of ridiculous because just like he says,

47
00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.319
he's got other samples. I mean, if that was the only sample,

48
00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.719
maybe I could see that people thinking
that, you know, I've met him.

49
00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:47.280
I know he's not a goofy guy
like that he is a very serious

50
00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:52.400
person. So but he's got more
samples, So that kind of blows that

51
00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:54.599
kind of out of the water that
Frank is trying to pull any kind of

52
00:03:54.639 --> 00:04:00.479
silliness. And if you yourself are
a scientist or you have a lab and

53
00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.759
you would like to get involved with
helping Frank in this process, you know,

54
00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.840
please contact us. We have had
actually a couple of people contact us

55
00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.439
who we've referred over to Frank and
Frank has talked to and in fact,

56
00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:15.879
when we posted our story, there
were some people asking, well, what

57
00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.199
about the square root of sixty four
on page thirty nine of the analysis,

58
00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.839
and you know, way over my
head. So I forwarded them to Frank

59
00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:30.600
and they were able to talk about
their observations about the analysis. So that's

60
00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:36.759
my voice for a very smart guy
like mathematician. Well what about the hyperpot

61
00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:43.560
news of the you know, something
like that. That's as opposed to you

62
00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.240
know, the common kind of guy, Hey, what's going on? We're

63
00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.800
in woods title mahah Bontton news.
You know that's that's the other voice you

64
00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.399
guys have heard me do. So
that's what's going on with Kimbler. I

65
00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:59.800
wanted to update everybody so they know
because we've gotten so many questions also in

66
00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.600
Open Minds News. Very exciting.
I'm very excited. I got to meet

67
00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:12.279
and talk with dan Ackroyd and he
was We partied, you know, and

68
00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.360
got loaded, and the next day, you know, he let me do

69
00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.480
a little interview with him, and
we were just so hungover. Actually,

70
00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.600
if you know me, I don't
drink so very much. I have about

71
00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:29.800
a glass a wine or equivalent once
a month. Like literally, I've got

72
00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.160
a twelve pack of beer that I
got nearly a year ago, and I've

73
00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.399
still got six of them left because
I can't even finish a whole one.

74
00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.720
I'll open one and have maybe a
quarter of it. Just not my thing.

75
00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.279
But anyway, anymore, Lord knows
I used to drink a lot.

76
00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.959
But anyway, I did get to
meet dan Ackroid. The only truce to

77
00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.199
that story I just told you was
that actually I did get to meet him.

78
00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:56.519
On Sunday morning, he was doing
a signing of his Crystal Head Vodkas.

79
00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.399
I go there and I get in
line. The line is I got

80
00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.319
there fifteen minutes early. The line
is a down the street. So I

81
00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.439
get mine, thinking, wow,
this is going to be a couple hours

82
00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:12.959
and then our super cool video director
guy Tom Ruffin, who you guys have

83
00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.680
seen his work because he puts together
a lot of these videos. He calls

84
00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.680
my phone and says, no,
come up front, Come up front,

85
00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.879
and he got us in and we
were able to ask if we could do

86
00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:26.839
an interview, and Ackroyd was super
cool. He was really excited about it.

87
00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.399
He looks kind of tired in the
interview, so you can't tell.

88
00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.879
You kind of at first think is
he annoyed by you know, all hundred

89
00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.439
bugging him like this, But actually
he was really cool. He's like,

90
00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.600
no, come around, you know, get this guy a chair, you

91
00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.040
know, let's talk. And so
he was really cool. I got to

92
00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:45.160
ask him a few questions. It
was extremely busy, so we were in

93
00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.480
and out of there as quick as
we can because these people that I was

94
00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.120
getting in the way of their getting
their stuff signed had been there for hours

95
00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:56.199
waiting in line, and here's some
chump talking and taking up all of Vackroyd's

96
00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.240
time while they're trying to get their
Ghostbuster stuff signed and everything. But we

97
00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.639
did talk to him about UFO is
a subject that he loves. It's near

98
00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.040
and dear to his heart and we
have a story up today at open Minds

99
00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.600
dot tv where you can see that
video, which of course is on our

100
00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:15.879
YouTube as well, and then on
the Open mind to that TV story you

101
00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.360
can read actually an article that was
just in our Hollywood issue of the Open

102
00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:27.000
Minds magazine which outlines Akroyd's background in
UFO's different how he got involved with UFOs

103
00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.399
and the paranormal and all of that
sort of thing. So it was very

104
00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:35.439
cool. Ackroyd is a super super
cool guy. I mean, this guy

105
00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:39.720
is so cool. He's cool with
everybody. You can see in the video

106
00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:43.959
where he's messing around with people and
having fun. He's just a really cool

107
00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.319
guy. And then someday maybe I'll
try the vodka, but I don't want

108
00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.839
to open up my signed bottles.
But you can even see my sign bottled

109
00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:53.639
on the website there. So that
was a lot of fun. I wanted

110
00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.600
to let you guys know about that, But I also want to let you

111
00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:01.560
know about our guest today. His
name is Jason mc clellan, and he

112
00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:07.319
just wrote in the latest issue of
Open Minds a story about Billy Meyer and

113
00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.079
he was able to do I mean, he really went in depth. He

114
00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.560
which is tough. We sat down
and we're like, you know what,

115
00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.879
someone's got it. We've been talking
about this for months. Someone's got to

116
00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:22.879
write the story of Billy Meyer.
Antonio and I of course have a little

117
00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.720
more background in it, but we're
a little more biased to although I've typically

118
00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.879
been on the fence on this one
and uh so. But we didn't want

119
00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:35.679
to do it because we knew it'd
be a lot of work, and we

120
00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.240
volunteered Jason before he got to the
meeting. But he came and he said,

121
00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.720
yeah, I'll take it on and
he did, and he was very

122
00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.240
thorough, read a lot of information, did a lot of in depth research,

123
00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.759
and so we decided I decided to
bring him because it was a great

124
00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:56.679
story to the show. He had
a long way to go to fly out

125
00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.000
here actually to drive down the street
or stay here a little later, actually

126
00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:07.679
flew in from San Diego for this
show, but so we could talk about

127
00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:13.000
his research and so people on the
show can hear, Okay, here is

128
00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.639
an unbiased opinion of someone who just
you know, tackled the issue to see

129
00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:22.639
what he could discover. And he
discovered some things I didn't know about and

130
00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:28.080
that I think are very interesting,
and I won't give it awake because I'll

131
00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.720
make you guys have to wait.
But it actually, you know, just

132
00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:37.840
the information he provided made me change
my mind about billy Meyer. You don't

133
00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.240
know which way I'm gonna go,
though, so you're gonna have to wait

134
00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.600
for that for a little later when
we get into the interview. So this

135
00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.519
is the Billy Meyer Show. I
know some of you are waiting, and

136
00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:54.960
there's people that are so emotional on
either side. Here there's the pro Billy

137
00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:00.759
Meyer camp and there's the anti Billy
Meyer camp, very little in between.

138
00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.840
Mostly people are very much on one
side or the other. But you know,

139
00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:11.080
we want to stick with the truth, and we're risking pissing off one

140
00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.759
of you groups of people by going
over. And I'm sure some of you

141
00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.720
are waiting. Is he gonna make
me mad? There's no way. He's

142
00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.799
got to believe what we believe.
So we'll see what happens. But before

143
00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.559
we do that, let's bring on
this other guy, our news correspondent.

144
00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:33.000
He's the guy that you can see
in our ultra cool Simpson's cartoon done by

145
00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:39.720
Dale, and he's a guy with
the mohawk there. He's a character in

146
00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:45.480
real life as well, and that
is Jason McClellan, our news correspondent.

147
00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.639
Jason, why don't you tell us
about some of the UFO news of the

148
00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.919
week. I will, and I'll
do it very quickly because your guest sounds

149
00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.799
extremely exciting today. Take your time. Oh all right, I will.

150
00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:00.679
But first I want to point out
that, as promised, I am drinking

151
00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:05.919
from my Dale Hendri Henry and your
tube watchers are if they're watching right now

152
00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.440
on yes, if you're watching right
now on the video, you can see

153
00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.960
the coffee cup I promised. That
has the illustration done by our friend Dale

154
00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.559
from the Simpsons. We're just so
happy about this. There we are you,

155
00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.600
Maureen and I are there. Your
hands are flailing in the air.

156
00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.519
Yep, just like that. One
of the coolest cups I've seen in my

157
00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.200
life. Yep. And now you
have to get one, and Morn has

158
00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.759
to get one, and we are
coper cups for the show. Yeah,

159
00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.120
very sweet. All right, let's
do some news. This is your open

160
00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:39.240
Mind UFO Newsbrey for Monday, September
twelfth, twenty eleven. Approximately twenty UFOs

161
00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.320
were seen in the sky above Moravia, Costa Rica. On Saturday, August

162
00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:48.039
twenty seventh. The mysterious lights were
witnessed by physicians, agents of Costa Rica's

163
00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.440
version of the FBI, and Allejandro, I'll say this just because I know

164
00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.159
that you want to practice saying this, because this is important because you're you're

165
00:11:54.279 --> 00:12:01.279
a Spanish speaker. It's actually called
the Organismo they investigates the on Hudisia.

166
00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:07.200
That's their FBI or equivalents of the
FBI. So they were physicians, these

167
00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:13.159
doctors and their FBI equivalents, agents
and other professionals at a party and the

168
00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:18.879
witnesses initially thought that the lights were
from helicopters, but no aircraft was ruled

169
00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.600
out by the nearby airport control tower. Witnesses claimed the UFOs were visible for

170
00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.120
five to ten minutes, moving from
east to west through the sky. One

171
00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:31.600
of the witnesses recorded the lights on
video, which was later broadcast on Telenotesias,

172
00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.440
a local news station, and according
to Inside Costa Rica dot Com,

173
00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.960
the video was being subjected to analysis
and field research to determine what the lights

174
00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.759
were. But following the incident,
a family revealed to investigators that they were

175
00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.240
responsible for the lights in the sky. According to Telenotsias and a follow up's

176
00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:54.360
follow up report, the family said
they launched twenty seven Chinese lanterns on August

177
00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.519
twenty seventh as part of a fiftieth
wedding anniversary celebration, and similar lights were

178
00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.799
seen in the Guy in the Caribbean, but the same family claims responsibility for

179
00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.879
those lights as well. They claimed
that they sold Chinese lanterns to a relative

180
00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.759
who happens to live in the Caribbean. So that's kind of strange and convenient.

181
00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:20.279
But those who witnessed the twenty plus
lights above Moravia on August twenty seventh

182
00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.600
have a hard time believing that the
lights were simply Chinese lanterns because their description

183
00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.679
of these lights, and again these
are the doctors and the government agents described

184
00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.960
the lights as having an intelligent movement
about them. So we've seen Chinese lanterns

185
00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.799
and they're i won't say obvious,
but you can pretty much tell what a

186
00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.080
Chinese lantern is in the sky.
And these people saw these lights and thought

187
00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.200
it was a helicopter and saw them
moving through this guy intelligently as they say.

188
00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.759
Then comes this family saying, oh, yeah, that was us,

189
00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.799
And then they said, well,
what about these other lights? We also

190
00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.240
we were also seen in the Caribbean. Oh yeah, that's us too,

191
00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:00.200
Yeah, and the Caribbean. Yeah, that's kind of wild. I mean,

192
00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.639
yeah, I could see them launching
some Chinese lanterns. But then to

193
00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.919
say that's what throws some doubt in
here, is to say that these Caribbean

194
00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.679
ones were also them and they knew
about them. That's kind of interesting.

195
00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.679
It is kind of interesting. I
mean, we hear this a lot.

196
00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.320
We have witnesses who capture these lights
on video, and then we hear stories

197
00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.159
of people coming forward saying those are
from our party. Where are people freaking

198
00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.159
out? And it's certainly plausible,
you know, the plausible explanation it does

199
00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.440
happen. I mean, we know
that your neighbor's probably freaked out when we

200
00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:37.000
launched them at your house. But
yeah, it's kind of interesting that this

201
00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.159
one family cleansed responsibility for all these
lights that we're seeing. Yeah. Now,

202
00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.879
I mean the flares you know at
the military base, those have freaked

203
00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.879
out people like where I live,
and I have videotape them and they look

204
00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.519
strange. So it can be hard
to tell. Even with the Chinese lanterns,

205
00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.399
I can see how they would be
hard to tell unless you watch them

206
00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.360
for a period of time. I
mean they may appear to go over the

207
00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:03.279
horizon when are really falling. The
ones we saw they dropped pretty quick.

208
00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.200
Yeah, and these witnesses said the
lights they saw five to ten minutes,

209
00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.759
so that's about the time of a
long Chinese lantern. But yeah, so

210
00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.600
that's possible. Yeah. The thing
that throws doubt to the credibility of the

211
00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:18.679
witnesses and that these people are saying, oh yeah, those were ours.

212
00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.679
Well, also, these government agents, you know, these agents who supposedly

213
00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.120
are their job is investigating things.
They probably investigated strange lights in the sky

214
00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.679
before, who knows, but they
are trained observers, so the fact that

215
00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:37.240
they were kind of freaked out by
these lights is interesting too. Yeah.

216
00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.840
Well, in February twenty eleven,
and I will say this, this is

217
00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.200
a slightly dated story, but I
wanted to mention it because we had talked

218
00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:48.320
about it a lot on the show
back in February, and I hadn't delivered

219
00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:54.039
a follow up to this story,
So I'll do that now. Lucy Hawking,

220
00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.840
writer in residence for Arizona State University's
Origin Project, launched a writing contest

221
00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:03.399
called Dear Alien, which asked students
to answer the following questions, what would

222
00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.840
you say to extraterrestrials if earthlinks are
contacted from outer space? If you had

223
00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.000
to speak for humanity, what would
you say? According to the Arizona Republic,

224
00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.919
nearly one thousand messages were submitted to
the contest. Benjamin Lee, a

225
00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.879
seventh grade student from Mesa, Arizona, won the contest. Now the ceremony

226
00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:26.279
in early April twenty eleven, Stephen
Hawking, Lussy's father, presented. He

227
00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.799
was the present at the festivities they
had. They had a multi day sort

228
00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:34.799
of fest for their Origins project,
and Stephen Hawking was there and he read

229
00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:40.360
Lee's message, which stated, Dear
Aliens, please help save our world,

230
00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.480
not from you, from ourselves.
We are destroying our planet and need help

231
00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:48.600
for more technologically advanced beings. Our
planet is polluted, many nations are at

232
00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:53.320
war, there is civil unrest,
and our economy isn't turmoil. And despite

233
00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:59.440
Stephen Hawking's grim warning against attempting to
contact aliens, Lee's message was beamed into

234
00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.519
space where was bounced off the moon. Professor and theoretical physicist Paul Davies was

235
00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:08.440
also involved with the Dear aliens contest. Davies is head of the SETI Post

236
00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:12.799
Detection Task Group, which means that
when contact is made with extraterrestrials, it

237
00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:18.079
is Davy's responsibility to determine what method
is to be sent back to extraterrestrials.

238
00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.519
Yeah, you know, it makes
me think, though, maybe that's not

239
00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.440
a bad idea. Maybe we better
start sending out our SOS is right now,

240
00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.519
at the rate we're going and how
long it takes for the messages to

241
00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:36.799
get out, it's probably not a
bad idea. Storrs SOS. That's we're

242
00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.200
blowing up our plane at who knows
how many weird messages have already been sent.

243
00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.799
So, yeah, they're gonna respond
to something. But it is funny,

244
00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.839
You're right, it's a funny point
that, you know, Stephen Hawking,

245
00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.680
as we are saying, you know
where we are to not do this,

246
00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.880
are going to come either they're gonna
come attack us and wipe us out

247
00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:59.119
and take our planets daughters out there
sending messages. Yep, don't be silly,

248
00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.680
dad. Hopefully he won't be able
to say I told you so.

249
00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.240
You know, it was interesting that
he actually participated, ye after being so

250
00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.519
public about warning against the contacting.
And it's funny that this wasn't a big

251
00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.440
story for that reason, because when
he said it, you know that that

252
00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.799
could happen. It was a big
story. So I would think that this

253
00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:23.119
is and it's a fun story.
It's got the kids and everything. And

254
00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:29.440
you know, all these other stories
lately about aliens green aliens, like they're

255
00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.599
talking about coming to help us with
our ore or coming to destroy us because

256
00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.519
we're destroying the planet of issues were
big news. You'd think this would be

257
00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.400
bigger news. Well, I've got
to hand it to Paul Davies. I

258
00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:44.599
think this was a brilliant thing for
him to be involved in because it's because

259
00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:49.799
his workload, he gets free submissions, so he chooses the best one and

260
00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.160
goes, ah, there we go. I don't have to figure out what

261
00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.720
to say. No. Well,
and he is out of the SETI group,

262
00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.519
you know, I even saw him
in Shastack debate this. He is

263
00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:08.319
more into the medi side, which
is messaging extraterrestrials physically sending messages out because

264
00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.759
people need to remember SETI they're listening. They're not sending messages, they're just

265
00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:18.240
listening. But Paul Davies is more
into the actual idea of sending messages,

266
00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:23.720
because he does believe that a more
of technically evolved species is probably also more

267
00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:32.839
spiritually evolved or socially evolved, where
they will be nice to us. They'll

268
00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.319
treat us like pets. I could
be a pet. That's fine. It

269
00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.640
reminds me of the porno for Pyro
song. We'd make great pets. It

270
00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.400
allows you to be lazy, and
people like to be lazy. So yeah,

271
00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.480
get bet, someone take care of
everything for you. All you got

272
00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:51.200
to do is s be cute and
giggle when you alien tickles you. That's

273
00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:55.000
sort of what a lot of people
are in the in corporate America and the

274
00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.759
CEOs, they're basically pets. I
mean, they can't take care of themselves.

275
00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:02.240
They've got twenty differ secretaries and vice
presidents and this and that, and

276
00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:07.160
they need our million dollars so they
can have nice clean cages and be taken

277
00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.920
care of where people clean up after, driven around, flown around people to

278
00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.200
make their schedule for them, do
their laundry, make their food. So

279
00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.880
that's what idea. The aliens need
to cant and take them. Yes,

280
00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.559
these corporate they're already trained for it. Yeah, exactly. Well, it

281
00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.799
wouldn't be a news report without talking
about fireball. So I've got a fireball

282
00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.480
story. We talked about this one
two weeks ago. A fireball UFO plunged

283
00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.599
to Earth on Thursday, August twenty
fifth in Cusco, Peru, and according

284
00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.240
to CBS News, the object was
initially suspected to be a meteorite, but

285
00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.480
new information suggests the object could have
been debrised from a foreign country spacecraft.

286
00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:47.920
The Peruvian military has reportedly been actively
searching for the object in the outskirts of

287
00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.440
Cusco for several days, complete with
helicopters and commando units. According to newside

288
00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:57.480
tiwy dot com, the Peruvian authorities
have been warned by a certain friendly government

289
00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:04.559
that most likely the debris of the
space truck Progress M twelve M dropped up

290
00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:11.079
in the territory of the country.
Progress M H twelve M was an unmann

291
00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.440
Russian spacecraft launched on August twenty fourth
on a resupply mission to the International Space

292
00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:18.599
Station, and shortly after the launch
there was a malfunction that was detected and

293
00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:23.640
communication with the craft was lost.
Peruvian military hasn't found anything yet, so

294
00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.920
until they do, this strange object
that burned through the sky is still a

295
00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.880
mystery. But again, this story
could have been updated, but I haven't

296
00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:36.160
seen any current information about it.
But they were out in full force with

297
00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:40.519
their commando units looking for this thing. Well, I know the Russians said

298
00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.039
they finally figured out what went wrong
with their rocket, but I don't remember

299
00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.000
seeing and I don't know if I
read that whole story that they recovered the

300
00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.440
rocket right, because they couldn't find
it for a period of time. And

301
00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.759
there was also another lost rocket.
There was the X what is it the

302
00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.559
name of the I forget what that
one is, but they're super fast plane.

303
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:04.240
No, who was the Google guy? Oh yeah, the Google guy

304
00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:11.759
who launched his spaceship and then they
lost it. And these two incidents are

305
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:17.680
creating a lot of problems right now. Yeah, two lost rockets. That's

306
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:22.599
kind of scary, and it's been
big, big problems for NASA because they

307
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:29.240
rely on these rockets right now,
these Russian rockets that did launch this progress

308
00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:33.000
MDSH twelve ms into space. So
they've kind of put everything on hold for

309
00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.680
now because clearly they can't rely on
that until they figured out what the problem

310
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.839
is. Yeah, it's kind of
scary, and I guess that could explain

311
00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:48.200
all these fireball UFOs because everything being
launched is getting lost and vomitting down.

312
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.200
Now that you mentioned it does seem
like a story that is kind of behind

313
00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.079
the scenes that isn't really getting pushed
also, which is that this Russian rocket

314
00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:03.359
had problems so they had to suspend
their launches back and forth to the space

315
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:10.839
station. And then there was news
that NASA is thinking about and probably has

316
00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:14.279
start to fast track a couple of
their projects so they can launch something up

317
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.400
there, even building a new shuttle. So I think by the behind the

318
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.720
scenes, what we're not seeing is
there are some people, you know,

319
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.440
a little worried about this whole situation
that maybe we cut too many programs and

320
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:32.359
now we don't we can't you know, shuttle our astronauts back and forth.

321
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:37.160
But it was really weird to see
that they're even taking parts from shuttles that

322
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.680
they didn't build to build a new
shuttle. They're talking about, right,

323
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:47.799
and this could be good for our
local private space company, SpaceX, I

324
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:52.559
know, is close to being ready
with their rockets and they do have a

325
00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.400
contract with NASA, so hopefully that's
good news for them. Yeah, get

326
00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:02.359
some good old us of a rockets. Yeah, need to get to get

327
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:07.559
our guys home. Well. The
movie Apollo eighteen tells the story of what

328
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.480
really happened to the eighteenth Apollo mission, and while the filmmakers are calling it

329
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.599
a documentary to create the illusion of
reality, NASA is worried that viewers might

330
00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:22.079
accept the movie as fact. Bert
Orich, NASA's liaison from Ultimedia Film and

331
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.359
Television Collaborations, recently told the Los
Angeles Times, the film is a work

332
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.279
of fiction, and we always knew
that we were minimally involved with this picture.

333
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:34.160
We never even saw a rough cut. The idea of portraying the Apollo

334
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:38.359
eighteen mission as authentic is simply a
marketing ploy, perhaps a bit of a

335
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.519
Blair Witch Project strategy to generate hype. It's strange that NASA feels the need

336
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.680
to go on the defensive. NASA's
response is clearly the result of the filmmaker's

337
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.720
marketing efforts, which have included using
UFO researcher Stan Friedman as a publicity figure

338
00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.640
for the film. Freedman has made
a number of appearances to lent his opinion

339
00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:03.519
about whether or not the re Apollo
eighteen and Apollo nineteen missions were truly scrapped,

340
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:08.920
including an August fifteenth appearance on MSNBC's
Dylan Ratigan show. Space dot Com

341
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:14.200
reports that in press materials for the
movie Friedman Is quotas are saying, people

342
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.079
ask why why there was no Apollo
eighteen mission? I ask what happened to

343
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.440
Apollo eighteen and Apollo nineteen. They
were both paid for and astronauts were trained.

344
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.799
What happened to these missions? And
while NASA is urging moviegoers to ignore

345
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:33.559
the claims of reality by filmmakers,
the Los Angeles Time points out NASA realizes

346
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.720
that keeping the public interested in the
extraterrestrial is critical to its future. Ulrich

347
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.839
explained, it's a wonderful way to
reach the public through these huge media means

348
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:47.000
like feature films and television shows,
and it can inspire people in an interesting

349
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:51.839
way, and it can also instruct
people about what space exploration is all about.

350
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.079
Yeah, I think typically they wouldn't
mind, except for it's probably because

351
00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:07.160
of mostly a little bit from Blare, which but especially from forth kind couldn't

352
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.799
think of the movie name because that
caused a lot of controversy where they were

353
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.039
claiming that you know, these abductions
really happened and people were really lost,

354
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:21.119
and that the newspaper out there had
written about it. In fact, the

355
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:25.400
newspaper I think even sued the movie
company because they were making all of these

356
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.559
claims that weren't true and it caused
all of this problem. So while NASA

357
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.119
likes people believing in extraterrestrials, they
probably want to be careful that there are

358
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.640
probably people and there might be some
people listening to this show who are getting

359
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.599
mad and saying, what are you
talking about? Forest Kind was all real?

360
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.160
Sorry, people, it was not. None of that was real.

361
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:49.279
Of course, as we all study
the abduction phenomena, it seems like,

362
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.400
you know, there's something to this
phenomena, there's something real going on.

363
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.240
But forth Kind was not real.
That found footage was not real. Those

364
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:03.039
were all actors and actresses. Nothing
from that movie was real at all.

365
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.000
And you have a lot of people
even to this day, believing that there

366
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.200
was something to that. And I'm
sure there are people listening to this show

367
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.079
who think I'm wrong, but trust
me, I'm not looking to it.

368
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.039
Yeah, just watch the credits.
Those were all actors and actresses. Those

369
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:26.759
weren't really University professors or real people
who have had these experiences at all,

370
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.279
even though you have the actors and
the actresses at the beginning of the end

371
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.319
acting so serious that this is real
and blah blah blah. And I think

372
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:38.440
that's what they're worried about, that
people, unfortunately will get fulled and start

373
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.799
to believe that, oh my gosh, look, there wasn't Apollo eighteen and

374
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.799
we saw it on the movie and
blah blah. And they just want to

375
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.480
be clear. It's cool to watch
these movies and have fun and believe in

376
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:55.720
etis because we want you to pay
us to go find Eteth. But don't

377
00:27:55.720 --> 00:28:00.480
think that this movie is real,
because it's not. NASA's had some interesting

378
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:07.599
marketing efforts lately. You can't trust
You can't trust marketers anyway. I trust

379
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:15.480
marketers, select marketers, I trust
myself. I trust our colleagues. We

380
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:22.839
have a wonderful marketer here who would
like to be s u yeah, if

381
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:27.119
they could. You're so mean to
be aware of marketers, is all I'm

382
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:33.759
saying. Because I've worked with marketing
departments my whole career, and yeah,

383
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.839
they will often have you say things
they like to stretch the truth. It

384
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.200
depends on who they are, what
they're marketing, and what their ethics are

385
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:48.960
like. Hello, marketing in America
in twenty twelve is something that is not

386
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:55.640
trustworthy. You're right, I will
no longer trust Maureen. Don't say I

387
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:57.519
didn't say that, Yes, you
did. It came straight out of your

388
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:02.799
mouth in trouble. We have this
on video and you can see it came

389
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.279
out of your mouth. Your mouth, my friend, I was interpreting what

390
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.279
you were saying. I tried to
give you an out and you didn't take

391
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:14.079
the out. Okay, what do
you have another piece of news? You'd

392
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.759
like me to move on? Yeah, let's do that well for Army Intelligence

393
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.799
Officer John Alexander was recently interviewed by
George Napp on eight News Now in Las

394
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.480
Vegas, Nevada. Alexander is vocal
about his belief in UFOs. As he

395
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.079
stated to NAP, UFOs are real, and I'm talking about physical reality.

396
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:37.960
There are craft that are seen balls
of light flitting around to craft, some

397
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.240
of them a mile and a half
across. They show up on radar and

398
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:47.279
are really here. In his new
book UFOs Myths, Conspiracies and Realities,

399
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.920
Alexander's skeptical nature is apparent. He
doesn't believe the government has covered up knowledge

400
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.440
about UFOs of you that has garnered
scorn from some UFO believers. Alexander told

401
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.920
Nap the true believers are even more
hostel than the skeptics. If you don't

402
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:06.200
believe their particular brand, whatever that
is, you become the enemy. You've

403
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.079
got to buy every bit of it. Otherwise you are part of the cover

404
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.880
up and blah blah blah. Some
of this hostility was displayed in February at

405
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.160
the International UFO Congress, which Alexander
was a speaker, and we've got a

406
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.319
video up on our YouTube channel that
shows a little bit of kind of attacking

407
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.799
mister Alexander. I think that he
likes to play the martyrs though, but

408
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.039
he's not as much of a martyr
as he thinks. A lot of the

409
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.079
comments on that video are that,
you know, they believe that he has

410
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.440
something to what he's saying, and
they like and appreciate what he's saying.

411
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.920
And so there are a lot of
people, I know, there's a lot

412
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.240
of our listeners who appreciated the show
when he was on, and think that

413
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.839
we've gotten a lot of feedback that
there is a good a bigger portion of

414
00:30:53.079 --> 00:31:00.680
this community that appreciate what he's saying
and have viewpoints more similar to his and

415
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.240
than he believes. I think he
gets a bad rap, I really do.

416
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.480
I mean, I certainly enjoy his
viewpoints, and I think he's got

417
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.799
a good book. So yeah,
it's just if you go speak at a

418
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:17.319
conference where you know it's mostly metaphysical
and stuff, and people are really metaphysical

419
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.359
and conspiracy you know, of course, then that's going to be a group

420
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.799
of type of people who are not
going to be as open to what you're

421
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:30.359
saying. But what's interesting is,
especially at our conference, sure there were

422
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.960
some people that were really upset for
him saying things like the government doesn't know

423
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:38.319
much about UFOs and stuff, but
there were a lot of people who really

424
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.279
appreciated and believe what he had to
say too. Yeah, that's true.

425
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.319
And you've read his book. Now, I haven't read the whole thing.

426
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:53.400
I've read pieces and parts. And
I think that when you write a book,

427
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:59.799
you need to follow in the suit
of UFO book names and called UFOs

428
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.880
colon and then have the name after
it. Yeah, UFOs colon, sweet

429
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.920
exclamation mark. I think you have
to have three things, a series of

430
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.279
commas, really really sweet. There
you go, You've got it. But

431
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.200
in his book, you know,
we did print one of the chapters in

432
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.960
his book. It was actually the
epilogue, and his epilogue I think it's

433
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.880
one of the best things it's written
in this field. It was really good

434
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:32.799
because it talked about just how we
need to tackle this this subject to be

435
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.279
taken serious and to move it on
to the next level, which is to

436
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:44.880
get more of the conventional science and
stuff like that interested and participating in the

437
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:51.559
field. And so I thought what
he wrote in that chapter especially is really

438
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.960
really good. Agreed, and you
know, let up on John Alexander and

439
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.200
actually read his book and hear what
he has to say. He makes a

440
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.440
lot of sense. Yeah, well, all hunter, this is somewhere you

441
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.960
and I have to go. Spaceport
America, the world's first commercial spaceport,

442
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.440
is nearing completion. David Wilson,
head of Spaceport America's media relations, recently

443
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:14.359
told space dot Com the spaceport Phase
one construction work is now ninety percent done

444
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.720
and is on schedule to be done
by the end of twenty eleven. The

445
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.200
spaceport occupies eighteen hundred acres of desert
land, approximately forty five miles north of

446
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.519
Las Crucis, New Mexico, and
it is the world headquarters for the space

447
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:30.720
tourism company Virgin Galactic. Construction has
moved quickly since the groundbreaking ceremony on June

448
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.960
nineteen, two thousand and nine.
According to Wilson, the first phase of

449
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.160
construction is made up of the spaceport's
large runway, which is completed, the

450
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:43.039
terminal hangar facility. The Virgin Galactic
will use the internal roads, fencing,

451
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:47.000
electrical system, water sewer systems,
and the dome looking space Observation Center.

452
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.920
Space two will include the final buildout
of the vertical launch complex facility, the

453
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:59.960
visitor welcome centers in the neighboring towns
of Truth or Consequence, and Hatch visitor

454
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.839
area on the main spaceport campus.
The southern road from Interstate I twenty five

455
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.800
to the spaceport is also part of
Phase two construction. According to space dot

456
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:12.119
Com, Phase two is scheduled to
be completed in twenty thirteen, making the

457
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.239
spaceport fully operational. The completion of
phase one construction of the spaceport is good

458
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.400
news for Virgin Galactic because they plan
to begin launching their commercial space flights in

459
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.559
twenty thirteen, so it's definitely going
to be on time for them, and

460
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.719
they are leading the charge making spaceflight
more attainable for us. All it's so

461
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.880
cool looking at looks the building looks
like a manta ray fish. It does,

462
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.599
and I love manta ray fish.
It looks super cool. I'm really

463
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.679
excited about it. And you know
what I just thought of since it's in

464
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.360
New Mexico and it's near Hatches where
it's famous for their chili chili and red

465
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.800
chili. So being where it's at, when you go there to the visitor

466
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.039
center, and I'm guessing that visitor
center is going to be really busy.

467
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.920
They might be making as much money
on that visitors or is anything else.

468
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.519
I think there's going to be so
many people visiting there because it's so cool

469
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.480
and you know, people flying up
into space. But when you go out

470
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.440
at a visitor center on the road, you'll probably be able to buy people

471
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:17.320
roasting chili. The road will be
lined with paints. Yes, there'll be

472
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.000
beef jerky people selling that kind of
stuff because you know, people sell stuff

473
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.639
on the street like crazy in that
part of town. You know that that

474
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:34.039
part of us. A jerky company
that has their shop in Nevada on the

475
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.320
way to Area fifty one, they
should open up a second location over by

476
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.400
the spaceport. Yeah, that's a
good idea. Good. I wonder if

477
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.159
a little city will build up around
the spaceport. It's definitely gonna build up.

478
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.079
I think it'll take time, but
there's definitely gonna be a lot of

479
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.239
build up around there. There's nothing
there now, but there will be.

480
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.039
Yeah, And it's not far from
Las Cruise. It's really it's a great

481
00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:02.199
vacation for spacenuts because you can go
there and then you can go to Alamo

482
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.159
Gordo and White Sands. And when
you drive from Las Crusis to Alamogordo,

483
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.280
it's a lot of fun because you're
driving for space geeks, you know,

484
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:17.159
because you're driving through the White Sands
missile range and it's the only road that

485
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.000
really goes kind of in the middle
of it. So to the right and

486
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.519
the left you have all of these
crazy buildings and projects going on. You

487
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:31.199
see signs like high powered laser testing
and small missile testing, large missile testing,

488
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.679
and then there's a museum there with
a lot of rockets that's in the

489
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.840
White Sands, And when you get
to Alamogordo there's another cool, huge museum

490
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:46.039
with rockets A V two stuff like
that. So really for space people,

491
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.599
it's a lot of fun. And
then you're just a few hours away from

492
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.199
Roswell. If you even wanted to
do that, now you're getting crazy.

493
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.280
Yep, well we'll have to do
it. I'm excited. It's getting close

494
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.920
to being done. We need to
go check it out. Yep. And

495
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.960
last, but not least, stronomers
announced today the discovery of fifty planets,

496
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:07.639
including one super Earth that may contain
water and be in the habitable zone.

497
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.320
According to the Washington Post, astronomers
have not determined whether the new super Earth

498
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.039
is rocky like Earth or grassy like
Jupiter, let alone whether it has an

499
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:21.639
atmosphere. They said grassy, but
I meant gassy. No, gassy is

500
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.960
a funny word. Yeah, yep. But this new super Earth is three

501
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:30.079
point five times the massive Earth,
and unlike our wonderful planets we've talked about

502
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:36.440
in the around the star Gliza five
eighty one, this one doesn't have nearly

503
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.519
as fun of a name that the
super Earth. A star is called HD

504
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:50.920
eight. And so the planet's name
is fifty five twelve B. Not anymore.

505
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.199
Now it's super Earth. Yeah.
I think from now on it'll be

506
00:37:53.440 --> 00:38:00.519
known as super Earth. Put saying
Gleaza five eighty one G is kind of

507
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.199
crazy. Doesn't have a cool name
like Jupiter. But this is even worse

508
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:10.800
HD eight fifty five twelve B.
Anti climactic. When you say we found

509
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:16.440
a super Earth, it's called HD
eight fifty five twelve B. Yeah,

510
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.639
not anymore. I'm gonna call it
super Earth. Please do to those people,

511
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.880
poor people. Then if there's people
living there, then they are super

512
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.840
earthlings. Well he just blew my
mind. Yeah, all one hundred.

513
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.119
That is it for the news for
today. Remember to check out these stories

514
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.679
and more at open Minds TV,
your source for UFO related news. I'm

515
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.920
Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News
correspondent, and you've been briefed back to

516
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.880
wall one hundred. All right,
thank you, Jason. A couple other

517
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.280
stories that you will find at Open
Minds that TV. Because remember you can

518
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.760
find the UFO news that we just
talked about there as well. But Michael

519
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.960
Schratt put up a story with some
sketches from some strange UFOs over Idaho and

520
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.840
Michigan. And one of the cool
sketches these are mostly cases you know that

521
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:09.599
are historic, is of this domed
disc with a see through dome and you

522
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.800
can see a couple of creatures under
it. It's kind of a neat sketch,

523
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.960
very interesting, especially if this is
a true account of something someone experienced.

524
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:25.039
So there are some sketches of that. A very controversial post that we

525
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:32.960
put up opinion post from Bryce Zabel, who, among other things, wrote

526
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:38.679
with Richard Dolan ad After Disclosure.
We've had him on the show quite a

527
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:45.880
few times. He also was a
producer and writer for the Dark Sky television

528
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.280
series, which was all about aliens
and MG twelve and all of that stuff.

529
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.599
So he's really into this issue and
working on several projects. He also

530
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:58.800
was in charge of the Academy during
the whole nine to eleven thing, and

531
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.320
I mean the Academy wards, so
he was in charge of making the decision

532
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.079
to delay the Academy Awards not once
but twice when nine to eleven happened.

533
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.599
Well, he and Nick Pope,
who we've talked about, who is the

534
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:17.480
British He worked for the British Ministry
of defense studying UFOs. They wrote a

535
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.800
story together about nine to eleven,
how nine to eleven and UFOs don't mix,

536
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.360
and essentially talking about how there are
two separate issues that we need to

537
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.679
keep separate, and they make their
argument to this point, and it's been

538
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.760
very controversial. I unfortunately have gotten
on a couple of email lists where people

539
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.159
are emailing back and forth their opinions
on all lists and blah blah blah,

540
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:44.280
which is fine. You know,
I don't mean to say that they can't

541
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:49.199
have their own opinions, but that's
wonderful that they have their own opinions,

542
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.000
but go share them in like a
forum that's talking about this. Why do

543
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:58.039
I get on this list? But
anyway, a lot of people talking back

544
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.119
and forth. You can check that
out and and you can also check it

545
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.360
out on our Facebook and that's where
you can put some comments and put in

546
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.360
your own opinion there to see what
you think. So that was great.

547
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:14.679
Bryce asked us if we can share
that because he's a big fan of us,

548
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.039
as we are a big fan of
him and Nick Pope. So there's

549
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:22.400
some great guys, and you know, his opinion is actually different than Richard

550
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.760
Dolan's and so Richard shared his opinions
on their website on this story, which

551
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.800
is fine. You know. That's
one thing that we have to learn is

552
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:36.320
that it's okay to have varying opinions. We all have different opinions, and

553
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.280
I think that's one of the great
things about the evolution of this field is

554
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.119
that as researchers, we all get
to spend a lot more time We've been

555
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.719
spending years with each other, and
we can like each other as people.

556
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.800
We can talk civilly and have differing
opinions. That's the way it goes.

557
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.480
Just like I talked about with Sess
Shastak and Paul Davies having differing opinions,

558
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:58.039
they share their different opinions and move
on, but they're still good buddies and

559
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.639
work together. And so that's what
we need to do too, because although

560
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.239
not all of us share the same
opinions on billy Meyer, we can still

561
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.199
be buddies and work together. So
those are some of the stories you'll see

562
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:14.880
up there. You'll also see a
story that got quite a bit of link

563
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.480
our play and or people were linking
to it and actually Coast to Coast put

564
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.400
it on their page. R Antonio
wrote a tribute to some UFO researchers and

565
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.639
Fortians who have died recently. And
if you're not sure about what a Fortian

566
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.280
is, which a lot of people
new er to this field aren't, it's

567
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:37.800
essentially someone who studies the paranormal.
One of the first paranormal researchers was Charles

568
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:45.760
Fort and he kind of was a
real pioneer in the field. So a

569
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.960
lot of people who study different things
in the paranormal called themselves Fortian. And

570
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.199
there's a whole Fortian society forty in
Times magazine, which is great online.

571
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.840
So that's what that is. And
some of the people who have done this

572
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.880
sort of research has passed away.
Sort of alarming how many people have passed

573
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:06.159
away. Now, these are people
who have gotten older, and a lot

574
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.480
of the researchers we've talked about this
a lot on this show. A lot

575
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.559
of the famous researchers, the people
who have done a lot of work in

576
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.360
this field are passing away. They're
getting older, they're getting to that age.

577
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.440
So you can read about those people
on our website as well, So

578
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:28.400
some very great stories. You'll learn
a lot, you'll get educated, and

579
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:34.559
you'll keep up to speed on the
latest and greatest in eufology, So go

580
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:43.599
check out Openminds dot tv. Moving
on to the most fun part of the

581
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.480
show, Well, there's the whole
show's fun. But moving on to our

582
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.920
interview for today, which is Jason
McClellan. I've had the pleasure of watching

583
00:43:53.000 --> 00:44:00.760
his meteoric rise to the upper echelon
of ufology and just the show period of

584
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.639
a couple of years as being the
news correspondent here at Open Minds and also

585
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:12.679
writing for Open Minds magazine. He's
looking at me funny because he's skeptical.

586
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.920
But you know, people love Jason. They wouldn't make him put him in

587
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:22.599
a cartoon if they didn't love Jason. So I am really excited to talk

588
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:30.559
about what I think was some great
work on the Billy Meyer case. And

589
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.719
thank you for coming all the way
from San Diego. He goes to San

590
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.079
Diego every other weekend, it seems
not that often. I don't blame you.

591
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.840
When it's burning hot out here,
well, the weather's finally finally dropped

592
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.800
here. It's tolerable here, finally
in the nineties. So I guess to

593
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:59.519
start off with, before you started
investigating Billy Meyer, how did you feel

594
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:07.199
about the well, the billy Meyer
case is certainly something that it seems everybody

595
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:13.800
who has done any sort of research
into UFOs comes across. I mean,

596
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:19.119
it's it's one of the most well
known, and even that calling it well

597
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:23.039
known is kind of interesting because a
lot of people know of Billy Meyer and

598
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.599
they know bits and pieces, and
that's certainly what I That's the position I

599
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.039
was in as well. You know, I knew that there was this guy,

600
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:37.400
this one armed guy in Switzerland who
had these amazing UFO photographs and he

601
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:44.760
talked with extraterrestrials, and that's pretty
much the extent of what I knew.

602
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.559
And I had heard many things from
different people. You know, we were

603
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:53.440
fortunate enough to have frequent conversations with
Wendell Stevens, and you know, so

604
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:59.639
talking with people like him who were
personally involved in researching the billy Meyer case,

605
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.280
hear stories from him, You hear
stories from absolutely everybody, and it

606
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.519
seemed that everybody seemed to have I
won't say a different piece of the puzzle,

607
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:14.360
but they definitely had different details to
the story. And that's what I

608
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:19.360
found fascinating most of all, was
that everybody seemed to have parts of the

609
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.440
same story, but parts of a
different story as well. See. I

610
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.719
think that's a great way to put
it, because when I have you know,

611
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.400
usually most cases I try to really
thoroughly investigate, but with Billy Meyer,

612
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:39.039
I hadn't really thoroughly. What I
thoroughly read were his communications with extraterrestrials.

613
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:45.920
And although I found his pictures very
compelling and the background around his picture

614
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:53.880
is very compelling, his communications I
actually didn't like very much. I thought

615
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.000
they started to get kind of silly, where he's just saying, well,

616
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.920
listen, this is true, right
Meyer, That's true? And I mean

617
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:06.360
really later on in these things,
and I read tons of them, That's

618
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.079
how a lot of this went,
and I gave up on reading those,

619
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.840
and I kind of put him in
the gray basket and thought, you know,

620
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.519
those pictures are really interesting. They're
very great hoax as if there were

621
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:21.039
hoaxes at all, and moved on
from there. But from reading your story,

622
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.079
I'm looking at all the different stuff. I was a little disappointed in

623
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.440
what I had investigated because the people
I had looked into who investigated the Billy

624
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:37.280
Meyer piece only present little chunks,
little pieces here and there, as opposed

625
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.119
to having an overall view Mike your
story, I think it's pretty good for

626
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.119
as much as you can do in
four or five pages. Uh, you

627
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.599
know, an overall view of I'm
biased beyond what the deal is. And

628
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.800
in that overall view, I mean, it still barely scratches the surface of

629
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:59.960
the whole Billy Meyer story. There's
so much there, and most of it.

630
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.039
I think the majority of people who
know the Billy Meyer story have no

631
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:10.119
idea that these other elements to the
story exist. And what I you know,

632
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:15.440
with my initial introduction to Billy Meyer
and before I began my in depth

633
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.000
research, you know one thing I
could definitely tell. I mean, you

634
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.400
can't escape it. Billy Meyer case
is, without a doubt, the most

635
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.159
polarizing case in eupology. You mentioned
that at the beginning of the show.

636
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.800
I mean, people either believe Billy
Meyer or they don't. There's no gray

637
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.880
with most people. I mean,
you have these very strong opinions either way.

638
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.679
Yeah, and I'm telling you,
you know, when I would have

639
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.800
Michael Horner on the show, I
think I've only had him one so when

640
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.039
I refer to him, people get
really upset. I can't believe you're having

641
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.679
him. Billy Meyer, so pull
that. I get a lot of that,

642
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.239
but of course the opposite's true too. Of all these people, Oh

643
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.360
that's the best case ever. And
you know people who believe like Michael Horne,

644
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.639
and how could you ignore this case? But I guess getting into it,

645
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.840
let's go historical in his life and
how he started, because he's got

646
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:13.480
an interesting background, no doubt.
So I guess like to start there,

647
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.840
because you know, I thought it
was a scorpion. You told me it

648
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:22.719
was a fantom. He had this
nickname because he was this kind of rogue

649
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:30.559
ronan type of international soldier or something. How would you explain that. I

650
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.840
forget a description I saw, and
I forget whose description this is, but

651
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.920
they described him during that time is
like a mixture between Indiana Jones and Han

652
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.480
Solo and somebody else. And this
is like the fifties or sixties, uh,

653
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.159
I believe so, yes, yep, yeah, it's shortly after his

654
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:57.199
childhood when he went on his widespread
journeys traveling through Africa and Asia and Europe.

655
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.199
And he you know, those details
are are somewhat gray, they're differing

656
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:06.000
stories. But apparently he had a
lot of odd jobs during this time,

657
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.280
and he worked for the French Foreign
Legion, and he was also sort of

658
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:16.039
a bounty hunter basically where he would
hunt these fugitives and hold them until they

659
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.880
were picked up by whoever was supposed
to pick them up. But yeah,

660
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.400
he actually wrote about these experiences too. And I don't read German, and

661
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.800
I believe the book is in German, but he actually has a book about

662
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.800
that time in his life called The
Phantom. What about then, Saddam Hussein.

663
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.440
There's a story where he met Saddam
Hussein, right there is And I

664
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.840
don't remember the details of that story. I know he met a lot of

665
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:49.159
people and he's talked about this a
lot. And it was also during this

666
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:53.280
period when he lost his arm in
a bus accident. And that happened when

667
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.519
a drunk bus driver, not the
bus he was in, but a separate

668
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.199
bus was coming at them with a
drunk us driver crashed into Billy's bus and

669
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:06.360
he was thrown from the bus and
his arm was was hurt so badly it

670
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:12.840
had to be amputated above his left
elbow. He's got use but doesn't have

671
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.440
the use of an elbow, so
we can't have an attachment or anything.

672
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:17.440
But that happened during that time,
and he also met his wife during that

673
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.400
time in Greece, Kelly Opey,
I think, is how he pronounces it.

674
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:27.599
I would call it calliope because that's
from my wife. Is that's how

675
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.840
she would want me to call it
from Greece. But but yeah, he

676
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:35.239
met his wife then and then they
moved back to Switzerland. Now, some

677
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.840
of these stories, like the Saddam
one, there's not much detail correct,

678
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.360
but like what sort of references were
there that had some of this old stuff.

679
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.400
A lot of this stuff comes from
his own writings and you know,

680
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:54.320
translations of his writing, so those
details, it's difficult to know the accuracy

681
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:59.519
of them because you know they're second
and third hand. But at least a

682
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:04.760
lot of their research you did do, though, was his writings or alleged

683
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.039
stuff from its stuff from his we
throw his own mouth, yes, right,

684
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.760
which I think is the most important
because I think people kind of cherry

685
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:16.480
pick exactly, you know, And
but to follow the full story you need

686
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.039
to get to the root. And
again with the problem with this, with

687
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.800
people having their own versions of the
story, you're having only bits and pieces

688
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.880
here and there. Focusing on one
aspect of Billy Meyer's life, it's a

689
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.960
big problem, and it's a parent
into the research. I mean, even

690
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:37.480
some of the biggest Billy Meyer researchers. You read their books and they have

691
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:44.639
conflicting information, so it makes determining
the truth very difficult. About when was

692
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:49.239
it he started having his and how
did this come about, or how did

693
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.239
that people start knowing about his communications
and or in pictures. Well, how

694
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.599
it started for him was when he
was five years old. And again,

695
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.000
you know, I don't know if
it's translated or problems with these stories staying

696
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:08.440
consistent, but a lot of the
contacts are voices in his head, so

697
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:15.039
they're telepathic communication, not actual physic
physical communication. But his first I believe,

698
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.079
was when he was five years old
and an extraterrestrial came in a pear

699
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:23.320
shaped UFO and invited him aboard,
and he went for a ride on a

700
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:29.360
ufo at the age of five.
So that's when his contacts really started.

701
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.280
When he started making it known to
people was in the seventies, and that's

702
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:43.679
when he decided to form a group
to basically discuss UFOs and other things,

703
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.840
and then he started to tell them
exactly. That's when he first revealed to

704
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:54.199
this group that I've been hanging out
with extraterrestrials and I've got proof. Yep.

705
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.440
Was it the beginning of when he
started the group or not until later

706
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.880
on? I don't know how much
time, but it seemed like that's sort

707
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:07.599
of the purpose that the group was
founded for. And another reason behind this

708
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:14.960
group was that when Meyer was doing
his worldly travels, he reportedly joined every

709
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:21.599
religion in Europe, in Africa,
in Asia and didn't find any of them

710
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:25.360
too that they were suitable for him, so he basically started one that had

711
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.760
his own ideas. So was it
a religion that he started or was attempting

712
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:37.199
to that's debatable. Kind of a
religious it's it's debatable. Yes, that's

713
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.000
another issue that causes a lot of
problem and a lot of debate, But

714
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:46.280
that's basically what it is. It's
it's a group with shared ideas and wisdom

715
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:52.159
passed on to him from extraterrestrials,
So I would call it a religion.

716
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.800
And he already had photographs at this
point, right, or at least he

717
00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:00.920
shared these with people at this point. From what I've been able to determine,

718
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.199
it was when this group was founded
that he started coming forward with the

719
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:12.960
photos I see, and so the
photos at that time they were there.

720
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:19.320
Other witnesses, not at that time, not at that time. It's members

721
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:24.760
of this group who later have come
forward and said that they were witnesses.

722
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:31.199
His wife is one of those people. But again later in time, after

723
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:37.599
his wife divorced him, she's been
quoted in an interview is saying that he

724
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.280
made it all up. So what
did she say she saw back then?

725
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.320
I don't remember, I don't I
don't know her her actual statements of what

726
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.679
she saw, Okay, but later
on she said she made all that up

727
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.280
and Billy made up right. And
because she said two different things, I

728
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:57.320
mean, that is a flag in
itself. I mean, you don't know

729
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.400
which of her stories you can trust. So so when was it then?

730
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:07.760
He also came across like a laser
gun or something. Yeah, he was.

731
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.920
He claims he was left a laser
gun by one of these extraterrestrials.

732
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:21.360
And this is another one of the
stories in the billiy Meyer saga that has

733
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:28.159
conflicting details to it. One of
the stories says that the extraterrestrial left this

734
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.840
laser gun with him and told him
not to use it and they would be

735
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:37.559
back for it. And Meyer was
tempted and he couldn't resist, so he

736
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:39.239
had to try it out. He
pulled the trigger and zapped it through this

737
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:45.400
tree. And another version of the
story says that he was allowed to shoot

738
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:50.840
the weapon as the demonstration of the
weapon. But we've got pictures of that

739
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.440
in the article that's in the magazine. And Wendell Stevens went and looked at

740
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.480
this tree, and what he noticed
was that there, you know, clearly

741
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.840
burn marks on some leaves sort of
in the direction going towards this tree,

742
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:12.840
and burn marks around the hole.
But the inside of that hole had no

743
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.639
no indication of being burned at all. What were the different versions of this,

744
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.679
I mean, what were the sources
of those different versions? One of

745
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:31.800
the sources is Wendell Stevens book Contact, which one is that it's UFO contacts

746
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:39.159
of the plates, and the other
I believe is Guido Moose Mooseburgers and yet

747
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:47.440
they fly okay. And who were
the first investigators or at least American I

748
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.840
don't know, Well, there there
were there were a few people who had

749
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:58.559
been looking into it, you know, since since Wire announced it. Uh

750
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:05.480
so uderl researcher lose intag I don't
know how to say her name, but

751
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:10.840
she's the one who came to the
US to present the story to Wendell Stevens.

752
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.519
And when Wendell saw the photographs she
presented to him, he was blown

753
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.880
away and thought they were the most
incredible UFO photos he'd ever seen. And

754
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:25.920
remember this is Wendell Stevens who had
pretty much the largest private UFO photo collection,

755
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.000
So I mean, he'd seen decades
worth of photos already by the time

756
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.320
the Meyer photos were presented to him. So he was so blown away that

757
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:40.119
he decided to go over to Switzerland
and investigate himself. So he and Lee

758
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:47.840
and Brett Elders were probably the biggest
investigators, initial investigators of the Meyer story.

759
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.280
Do you know when Wendell started his
investigation, I don't know the date.

760
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.079
Now do you know about when it
was in the seventies? Uh huh.

761
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.280
The reason I asked, just because
seventies had so many UFO sidings that

762
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:05.960
had started that or that were going
on, because that was a big wave

763
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.079
in the seventies. So he had
seen a lot of UFO photos yeah,

764
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:13.679
at that time, so that would
be interesting. Now, one of the

765
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.119
things that you watch were all of
the investigations. Like some of the videos

766
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:22.039
and stuff that the Elders and Wendell
had put together. Those are kind of

767
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.639
fun videos. I like, they're
very I don't know, it's like you're

768
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.360
watching an old TBS special. It's
kind of fun. But this was a

769
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.840
very well done documentary documenting that that
very trip there, you know, one

770
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.599
of their investigations over there where they
actually go to c. Billy Meyer and

771
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:43.239
talk to him and walk through the
various locations where Meyer took the photos.

772
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.880
And what year was? Do you
remember about what year that documentary was.

773
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.239
I don't remember the date on that, and that was It's an amazing production.

774
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.199
I mean, they actually have aerial
shots showing the cars drive by.

775
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:04.760
But that now that you mentioned,
that trip was actually documented very well in

776
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:10.360
a book by Gary Kinder called Light
Years, And this book talks about the

777
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.039
investigation that was shown in the documentary. And I believe the documentary is just

778
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:23.199
called Contact the Billy Meyer Story.
But this is the book that the Elders

779
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.159
actually recommend it that I read,
because it does document their investigation. And

780
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:37.119
I found that book kind of interesting
in itself because it seems to kind of

781
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.960
glamorize Billy Meyer, not not really
glamorized, but hype him up a lot

782
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:45.840
as this larger than life character to
where he sort of appears out of nowhere

783
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.559
and can see through fog and automatically
know where he's going, and just kind

784
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:54.760
of presents them as being in awe
of this strange person who silently crept up

785
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:59.679
beside them and they had no idea
he was there, and stuff like this.

786
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:05.480
Yeah, So that kinder book you
also said Wendell was, of course

787
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:10.000
a big source for you. Absolutely, so were the Elders. This Musburger

788
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:14.639
you said he was a big source. Officer, Yes, tell me about

789
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:20.920
him. I don't know much about
him as an individual. He spent a

790
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:28.079
lot of time with Billy. He
was even a part of the Figure Society,

791
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.880
Billy's group there that he created,
and I believe he still is.

792
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:37.719
So he had a lot of firsthand
experience there and he actually witnessed things while

793
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:43.840
he was there. So, and
then who else was that Some of the

794
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:50.599
other big sources for you, Well, there's Jim Dilatoso, who was responsible

795
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:55.719
for for helping to get some of
the metal testing. Billy Meyer had given

796
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.880
Wendell some some metal samples that he
claimed were given to him by the ex

797
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:07.280
terrestrials. So Wendel and uh Jim
Deltoso together facilitated getting this metal tested.

798
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:14.280
So there were some of some of
Jim's findings there that were a good source.

799
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.880
But you know, I've got to
say that, even though I don't

800
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:24.880
don't like looking a lot at what
harsh skeptics have to say, cal k

801
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.840
Corp has a lot of information about
the Meyer case. And I know Michael

802
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:37.039
Horn and other Myer supporters dismiss absolutely
everything that cal Corp says. Calcorp has

803
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:44.880
actually done one of the best in
depth research studies into the whole Meyer case.

804
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:52.400
And I can't confirm this one,
but according the Corp, he actually

805
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.679
went under cover and became a member
of the fig Us Society and went over

806
01:02:55.679 --> 01:03:00.480
there solely for the purpose of finding
out if this guy was a real deal

807
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:06.400
or not. So we'll talk about
him somewhere too. But those metals,

808
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:10.239
just getting back to that, just
since you brought those up, you know,

809
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:20.760
what were the findings with those metals
then again mixed and so according to

810
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:28.320
Gluedo Musburger's book, and yet they
fly the testing that was done by a

811
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:34.039
metal or just found the metals to
be simple cooking pot metal, metal that

812
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:39.000
would be used to make toy soldiers
or something like that. And then a

813
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:45.639
second person tested the metals, and
that was a chemist, and the chemists

814
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:52.039
found them to be very interesting and
possibly not from this world. And the

815
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:59.519
interesting thing about this is kal Korf, who we just mentioned, contacted these

816
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:06.719
people and the chemist told him that
his findings were completely misrepresented in Wendell Stevens's

817
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:14.280
book and those aren't the findings that
he found at all. And Jim Delotoso

818
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:19.920
has an explanation for that, saying
that the places that they got the metals

819
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:29.039
tested and the photos tested, they
did so under strict confidentiality agreements and understandings

820
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.320
that if anybody contacted them about doing
these tests, they were supposed to say

821
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.920
that they had no knowledge of Billy
Meyer, They had no idea what you're

822
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:43.199
talking about. So you know again
that you can take that for what it

823
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:47.320
is. You know, it seems
it's unconclusive, and it's you know,

824
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:53.239
it gives the perfect out, you
know, obviously, because you know it's

825
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.800
up to what you believe. Obviously, you go to somebody who didn't do

826
01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:59.800
a test, they're going to say
I didn't do a test. So if

827
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.199
you say, oh, that's because
we told them to say that, you

828
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:05.199
know, you have no idea.
Yeah, well, and you would think

829
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:09.840
you would need to produce some paperwork
to prove that right, that you had

830
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:15.960
this agreement, because otherwise there's no
proof. And especially when people are communicating,

831
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:21.119
they forget I you know, definitely
talked with people where they tell me

832
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:26.679
a bit of information and then I
check with the source, and the sources

833
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.599
like, well, they weren't supposed
to tell you that, And then you

834
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:32.159
get back with the other person they're
like, well, I don't remember them

835
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.920
ever telling me. I didn't have
to I wasn't supposed to do it.

836
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.920
Doesn't say that in any emails where
people just have a misunderstanding, and unless

837
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:44.239
it's written, you know, I'm
very clear you can't really expect people to

838
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.079
be held to that sort of thing. And I'm certainly not saying that that

839
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:51.400
evidence that documentation doesn't exist, right, I'm just saying I haven't seen it.

840
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:57.119
Yeah, well I'm not. Yeah, just to say that that it's

841
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.840
hard to say. Just that part's
inconclusive as well, what I'm saying,

842
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.519
right, And it would be nice
to see that documentation it did. Is

843
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:08.760
there any such I mean I just
said I have no idea it could exist,

844
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:13.079
but not to my knowledge. Yeah, So what are some of the

845
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:19.639
other then, like criticisms of corps
work that didn't maybe hold for you?

846
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:25.360
I mean, well, you know
there, why would you say that he

847
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:31.519
was in depth and he was a
more accurate than maybe they accused him of

848
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:39.400
being. Well, one of the
the initial criticisms that get thrown at people

849
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:45.000
who speak against Billy Meyer is it, well, you you didn't actually go

850
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:49.719
there, You didn't meet him,
So how can you tell what kind of

851
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.480
research is sitting and looking on a
computer. You have to actually go there

852
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:58.440
and meet Billy. And that's something
that CORP did on more than one occasion,

853
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.320
which is a still argument anyway.
I mean, you don't need to

854
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:08.400
meet someone in order to figure out
whether there's a truth or not to something.

855
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.760
In fact, I would argue that
in some investigations it's better not to

856
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.840
because then you're not tainted, especially
someone like me, because I liked people,

857
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:20.159
and that makes me biased when I
met someone because I'm like, you

858
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.480
know, I really like that guy. But you still have to look at

859
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:30.599
the evidence, and the evidence speaks
for itself. And speaking of Michael Horne,

860
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:34.199
I want to talk about Michael Horn
for a minute. I will say

861
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:41.599
that if you want to know anything, any any strong details about a particular

862
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.000
area of the Billy Meyer case,
he's the guy to ask. Man.

863
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:50.360
I mean, he he can recite
to you to the to the word stuff

864
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:55.000
that Meyer has said, things that
have been told to him. You know,

865
01:07:55.199 --> 01:08:00.159
he knows every single detail. So
he's a good person to come back

866
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:05.079
to any question or any attack or
anything. He's got an answer for everything.

867
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:12.199
And I've only I don't know him
that well, but I know that

868
01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:16.960
he isn't just a blind believer.
You know, he started out pretty skeptical

869
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:24.359
himself, but he's been satisfied and
he knows that not every answer is a

870
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.800
perfect answer and that, you know, things could be more clear, and

871
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:31.439
he would like him to be.
But he just presents the information he has

872
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.640
and he does a very good job
at doing that. And for some reason

873
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:42.359
he well I know the reason,
but he and kal Khorf are always butting

874
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.640
heads, and it's because Korp is
a thorn in his side, obviously.

875
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:53.439
But one thing they haven't agreed on
is the fact that someone has been able

876
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:58.359
to reproduce the Meyer photos and not
something that Horne has stated for a long

877
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.800
time that till this day, nobody's
been able to reproduce the Meyer photos,

878
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:08.439
and a gentleman by the name of
Phil Langdon has done what I think is

879
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:13.760
a remarkable job at recreating the photos. And again, I mean it is

880
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:16.960
the same premises is the factor faked
television show on Sci Fi. Just because

881
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.239
you can recreate it doesn't mean that
it's not true. But at the same

882
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:27.279
time, you don't need to say
that they haven't been reproduced when they have

883
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:31.119
been reproduced. Some of these are
fantastic. I mean the wedding cake UFO.

884
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:34.960
If you have seen Meyer photos,
you've most likely seen the wedding cake

885
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:41.840
UFO. It's got these balls all
around it and looks very gaudy. That's

886
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:45.159
one. And Phil Langdon has been
able to reproduce pretty much every single photo,

887
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.000
and the wedding cake photo is one
that he's done a really good job

888
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.520
on and something that people thought nobody
would be able to do because it's so

889
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:57.000
bizarre and different looking. But you
know, he's done a great job recreating

890
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:02.279
these photos. And he's also been
able to reproduce sounds that Meyer recorded,

891
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:09.880
claiming that they're from a spaceship,
a beam ship, and he determined that

892
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:14.760
it was fishing line strung a very
long distance. The wind going against that

893
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:19.640
fishing line created this bizarre resonance and
it was identical to the sound. But

894
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:24.560
he's done a fantastic job at recreating
some of this thing, these things,

895
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.720
and just because he recreates them doesn't
mean that what's in the photos is not

896
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.800
authentic, or what's on the tape
is not authentic. But he's been able

897
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.640
to reproduce something that is just like
it see. And that was a big

898
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:40.479
sticking point for me, is that
I agreed with Horn and you know,

899
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.800
by listening to him a lot too, but that no one had recreated the

900
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:49.079
photos, and I hadn't seen any
good recreations. But when I was pointed

901
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:55.079
to these recreations, they are very
good. I mean, they really do

902
01:10:55.279 --> 01:11:00.239
recreate, which I remarkable. They
totally recreate those pictures, and that was

903
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:08.039
a big deal. But getting to
the pictures again, though, like you

904
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:13.319
said, just because the pictures recreated
doesn't mean that it's not real. I

905
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.119
mean, and that happens a lot
because especially these days, you can recreate

906
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:23.319
practically anything with special effects and stuff
like that. However, what really throws

907
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:30.079
a whole wrench in the whole system
with the pictures is this idea that you

908
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:35.159
have in the story about Billy Meyer
saying his pictures were replaced. Yes,

909
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:45.920
and so what is that story will? I think it's mostly originated most people,

910
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:51.840
well, many people may know the
controversy behind the photos that Meyer alleged

911
01:11:51.880 --> 01:12:00.479
were of two extraterrestrials Asquet and Europe, aboard one of their beamships, and

912
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:06.960
skeptics later were able to well,
they pointed out that this was a still

913
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:13.680
photo of a television screen of a
group from the Dean Martin Variety Show.

914
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.640
And when you see the pictures you
can tell that that's pretty much the case.

915
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:23.880
And in fact, those two women
have been made aware of this,

916
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:28.319
and they later said, yeah,
that's us. And it's funny because in

917
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:31.000
one of these in the picture,
that woman has her hair kind of curled

918
01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:39.640
I guess by sideburns, a little
curled up. And that's a funny point

919
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:45.399
that some people had latched onto and
used as a description of these extraterrestrials,

920
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:51.720
saying that they looked identical to earthlings. What had elongated ear lobes, and

921
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:56.720
this woman who was in the photo
and was identified later said, yeah,

922
01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.279
I used to curl my hair like
that. It's just her hair that's curled.

923
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:08.079
But anyway, so what came from
this was Meyer said that one of

924
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:15.560
the extraterrestrials informed him in nineteen ninety
eight that or it might have been sooner

925
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:21.880
than that, but he was informed
by the extraterrestrial that there were American doubles

926
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:30.439
for Asquet and Nera living in the
United States, and that his photos had

927
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.640
been replaced by the men in Black. The men in Black had located these

928
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:40.600
American doubles and they took a picture, and they took Meyer's film and swapped

929
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:44.159
it out. So when Meyer got
the film, he didn't know it had

930
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:48.560
been swapped out. But in fact, what the pictures we see now are

931
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:54.399
of those American doubles. But was
this also true for some of the UFO

932
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:59.680
pictures exactly. That's what he later
claimed as well in a letter that was

933
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:05.000
on the FIGU website, saying that
he was informed that the Men in Black

934
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.560
had done this with a lot of
his photos, a lot of his earlier

935
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:11.319
photos, I believe, is how
he stated it, and I don't know

936
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:15.680
what time period that quantifies, but
he said that again, the men in

937
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:23.560
Black had been taking his film and
then recreating his photographs and slipping them back

938
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:28.039
in. So Meyer had no knowledge
of it, but the photos that he

939
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.159
had and was showing that everybody were
actual recreations by the men in Black.

940
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.600
And this is a tough one too, because this, like you said,

941
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:39.479
is on the FIGU website. This
comes from his mouth, right, and

942
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:43.439
now this is a fact that's left
out by a lot of people. Yeah,

943
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:47.319
I've never heard Michael Horn talk about
this. I think I've seen him

944
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.279
mention it, but I don't remember
how he responds to it. And that's

945
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:55.119
certainly a good question for him and
some of these other people. Wendall never

946
01:14:55.479 --> 01:15:01.880
talked about that, right. In
fact, Wendell talks about the pictures being

947
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:05.640
he doesn't mention that when he talks
about the pictures when we've talked to him,

948
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:11.199
and in fact, he did talk
about the pictures him not being able

949
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:15.279
to get originals, right, nobody
has originals, not even Meyer. And

950
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.720
that's another thing that you know,
Meyer says that the originals were taken back

951
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:25.520
by the extraterrestrials. So he doesn't
have originals. When Wendell was there,

952
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:30.399
the best he could get was he
got some second generation, but most were

953
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:35.680
up through six generation negatives. And
those are the those are the prints that

954
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:41.439
were all this testing was done on. Yeah, it's like six generation images.

955
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:47.079
See. And that's really important to
me because if the extraterrestrials took the

956
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:54.159
originals, then I'm sorry Michael Horn
and I'm sorry Billy Meyer, but that

957
01:15:54.199 --> 01:16:00.920
would indicate that either that, if
this story is true, that the extraterrestrials

958
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:03.920
didn't want him to have evidence to
prove that his stuff was real. Right,

959
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:11.800
So really they can't blame anybody for
doubting the story, but the extraterrestrials

960
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:16.039
should that be true. But of
course it always throws It also throws a

961
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:24.039
wrench because it's it makes it harder
for us Earthlings to buy that he doesn't

962
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:29.399
have the originals because the aliens took
him away. That's really difficult for me,

963
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.159
and especially because you know, I
remember the first time you told me

964
01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:34.880
about that. I'm like, well, where did this come from? And

965
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:41.279
it comes from Billy Meyer's mouth?
You know, that's that's a stretch to

966
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.760
believe. And it's something that shouldn't
be left out. You know, it's

967
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.520
an important detail, and it's something
that that should be addressed. You know,

968
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.600
it needs to be answered, and
and I don't know, I'm sure,

969
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.680
I'm sure Billy Meyer has has responded
to it, but you know his

970
01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.079
responses are, this is what they
told me, Yeah, the alien and

971
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:05.000
just took it. Where did you
run across at at first across the letter

972
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:10.199
or that that letter existed? Oh, that was the figure? So you

973
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:14.520
found that? So what was it
like when you discovered that it was?

974
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.319
You know, it's amazing that you
don't hear more people talking about it.

975
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.359
It kind of gets blown off.
But that's that's a real major, major

976
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:27.439
piece of the puzzle there. It
raises serious questions about everything. Yeah,

977
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.680
did I mean did Carl Korp talk
about that? Yes? What about some

978
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:35.960
of these others? But keep in
mind that most, yeah, the strong

979
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:42.479
majority of the research that's been done
on the Billy Meyer case is pre nineteen

980
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.920
ninety eight. Yeah, and that's
when most of this stuff has come out.

981
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:51.720
Oh gotcha. Even Leah, the
Elders, you know, haven't haven't

982
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:58.000
kept up to date on the recent
happenings with Billy Meyer. They had said

983
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.279
that that you know, for years, they haven't looked into it. Okay,

984
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:05.520
so there aren't any books with this
information because people haven't put out recent

985
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:10.760
books about Billy Meyer. What about
Dala Toso, Like you talked to him,

986
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:13.600
did he mention that or did you
mention that to him at all?

987
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:15.760
No? I haven't asked him about
that at all. Yeah, just curious

988
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.239
because you know, I mean,
this is a big thing that people have

989
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:20.560
to answer. Yeah, and it'd
be great to hear from Jim because you

990
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:26.920
know, like I said, he
was he was primarily responsible for organizing all

991
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.000
of this testing of the photos and
of the metal. And you know,

992
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:35.079
he was able to get into some
pretty big laboratories according to him, uh

993
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:42.600
to do this testing, know,
JPL and different big labs. So you

994
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.800
know, they claim that they found
these photos to be authentic, but you

995
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.920
know, according to Meyer, they're
not. So who knows. Yeah.

996
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:53.359
So, and that's the thing.
And I know Jim, and you know,

997
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:56.560
Jim's a great guy. Yeah,
he's a nice guy. And he

998
01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:00.600
doesn't like really putting down a solid
opinion. He's never got a solid,

999
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.880
solid opinion. Which I don't blame
him, because there's a lot of things

1000
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:08.079
I don't have a solid opinion on
either, but there's lots of times where

1001
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.399
I ask him, well, what
about this evidence that kind of shits some

1002
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:14.359
doubt on that, Yeah, you're
right at this shud chout. What about

1003
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.319
this evidence that seems to me that
that's real? Yeah, that doesn't seem

1004
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:20.079
like maybe it's real. So I
know how he is. He's like the

1005
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:24.039
rest of us, just trying our
best to look for answers and stuff.

1006
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.479
So I can see that. But
this is definitely one I think will be

1007
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:32.279
interesting for Michael Horne, because I
mean, that's that's a big issue right

1008
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:39.119
there. Otherwise I don't know that
for me. That for me, really

1009
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:44.399
kind of throws this whole thing out
of the gray basket to the highly skeptical.

1010
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:49.039
Probably I'm not a that coupled with
that the pictures can be faked is

1011
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:58.239
to me kind of very bad or
the Billy Myer kids, right, And

1012
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:02.279
it makes me feel very skeptical.
You know. It's funny the the excuses

1013
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:06.840
that did people throw out, you
know, the reasons why these photos couldn't

1014
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:11.640
be hoaxed. You know, a
one armed man couldn't do that, but

1015
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:15.239
he did a lot of things and
does a lot of things with his one

1016
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.800
arm. It's not really a limitation
for him. He had this figure group

1017
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:24.479
going. There were plenty of people
all the time around him. He had

1018
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.600
children, he had a wife,
you know, he wasn't alone, so

1019
01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:31.600
there were people who could help him. And he did, in fact create

1020
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:36.920
models of these ships. He admitted
to attempting to create models of these beam

1021
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:42.199
ships and photograph them. You know, there's a story of the the photos

1022
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:45.680
being found burned in a trash can, and they're conflicting stories about that too.

1023
01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:51.319
But he actually did create models of
the ships, and that's from his

1024
01:20:51.439 --> 01:21:00.600
mouth, yes, And there the
differing stories are that one says that the

1025
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:05.680
model or a model was actually left
with him by one of the extraterrestrials,

1026
01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:11.760
a model of her beamship so he
could try to photograph it. Yeah,

1027
01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.039
and Meyer didn't like the outcome of
the photos, so he threw them away.

1028
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:17.560
Yeah, which is all pretty damning
stop. I mean, and here

1029
01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.840
again it's it's stuff you don't care
about models being made. I'm making this

1030
01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:27.039
list for Michael Horne, if you
know, he's got to answer these questions,

1031
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:30.720
if he because these are tough questions
to answer. I'm sorry, you

1032
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:35.720
know, they're they're for me too
difficult. So were there other you know,

1033
01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:40.079
big red flags where stuff like the
models is definitely one of them,

1034
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:42.880
the one you brought up that you
ran across that were like, hey,

1035
01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:45.319
I never you know, you don't
care about this much. Why don't we

1036
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.800
hear about this. It's just a
lot of the little details that are left

1037
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:56.479
out, you know. Again,
Meyer is painted as this poor old farmer.

1038
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:01.159
But you know this, this figure
group is very active. They've got

1039
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:09.399
this big sem Yazi center there.
It's very big, and these are basically

1040
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:13.560
dues paying members. It's like a
tithe or something that required to pay.

1041
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.560
Yeah, and it's a big money. But he's also a prolific writer.

1042
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:25.359
And this guy writes and he supposedly
types eighty words a minute but with his

1043
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:29.960
one hand. But he he's written
tons of books and these books are out.

1044
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.880
Like I said, he's got a
book about his life is the Phantom,

1045
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:41.039
And he's got these books with word
for word interactions with the extraterrestrials.

1046
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:45.880
And he's got lots of books and
keeps very, very active. So I

1047
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:48.319
mean, there's a lot more to
Billy Meyer than a lot of people understand.

1048
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:53.239
Yeah, And I think that's the
problem is that we hear a lot

1049
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:57.560
of the parts that I wasn't aware
of. And I can see why now

1050
01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:01.359
is what he said himself comes out
of his mouth, because I think we

1051
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:04.760
have a lot of people, you
know, I read this book recently and

1052
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:10.960
I did a review on the magazine
kind of a lukewarm review honestly of this

1053
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:21.560
book Mirage Men by Pilkington, and
I was a little he I taken aback

1054
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:26.239
by you know there he seemed to
have his opinion set. But he has

1055
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:29.840
some really good points on some things
in this field that we can't forget.

1056
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:34.079
And one of those is cognitive dissonance, which was a term that was created

1057
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:40.159
when these like doomsday groups would say, oh, the world's going to end

1058
01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:43.720
in nineteen forty two, and then
the world wouldn't end, and they're like,

1059
01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:45.880
oh, the world you know,
we've seen this before. The world

1060
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:48.359
didn't end because of this and that, and it's probably going to end later.

1061
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:51.760
So in other words, they were
willing when they were faced with and

1062
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:57.680
them being wrong or the truth not
being what they were told it was,

1063
01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:01.359
they would in their mind justify that
and change the story. So they can

1064
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:06.000
keep believing their belief system. And
you know, it seems in this there's

1065
01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:11.079
a case of people saying, well, what Billy Meyer said was this,

1066
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.920
and this is what he meant,
and here's his story. Let me tell

1067
01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:18.279
you Billy Meyer's story, because you
know he and not letting us know that

1068
01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:24.039
he's already told his story. It's
just that his story. I'm sorry with

1069
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:30.520
the pictures supposedly being replaced by aliens, the models supposedly one of them given

1070
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.960
to him by an alien, and
then him not liking the pictures he took

1071
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:38.720
of it so Burningham. And then
third, I already had a problem with

1072
01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:42.039
this laser gun because you guys will
be able to see the picture in the

1073
01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:46.840
magazine, the laser gun looks absolutely
ridiculous. And that these guys gave him

1074
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:51.119
a laser gun and then later took
it away because you know they didn't want

1075
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:56.199
him to play with it. You
know, that was already an issue.

1076
01:24:56.199 --> 01:24:59.720
But now this is that that's Those
are my three strikes. You're out right

1077
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:03.079
there, So I really, you
know, and I'm definitely willing to go

1078
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:08.840
on the record and say I don't
you know, I love the pictures and

1079
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:12.039
I always will I'm gonna hang one
up on my wall because I love his

1080
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.720
pictures. He definitely created some very
pretty pictures. But yeah, unfortunately,

1081
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.560
I don't think I believe in the
Billy Meyer case anymore. I have so

1082
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:25.039
many problems with it. And you
know, I am. I certainly believe

1083
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:29.159
that he may have had contact,
he may have seen something, he may

1084
01:25:29.199 --> 01:25:33.119
have you know, who knows.
But you know, this whole story just

1085
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:38.159
sort of falls apart the deeper you
go. Yeah, but I will say

1086
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:44.079
Michael Horn is actually visiting Billy Meyer
again very soon, so it'll be interesting

1087
01:25:44.119 --> 01:25:47.119
to hear what new revelations he has
from Billy Now. I know a lot

1088
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.680
of a lot of stuff that's being
pushed from Billy now or his predictions.

1089
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:56.439
Yeah, and that's really what Michael
Horn's big. He hangs his hat on

1090
01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:00.880
as these predictions that he says come
true. But those are always really difficult

1091
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:06.319
because when you're you know, predicting
a kajillion things, you're sure you're going

1092
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:11.039
to be right here and there.
You know, if I said there's going

1093
01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:15.199
to be an earthquake this month and
it's going to be bad, you know,

1094
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:19.399
any earthquake can be determined as bad
and then of course, the worse

1095
01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:24.199
it is, the more I seem
like an incredible prophet, right, But

1096
01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:28.119
I guess to end on a sort
of a positive note, and we'll see

1097
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.479
what you think about. One thing
that I am impressed by and I think

1098
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:35.000
is interesting and lend that maybe he
has seen UFOs before in his life,

1099
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:43.319
is the UFO that he witnessed with
this lady in India who's now a diplomat,

1100
01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:49.239
I mean, and I and there's
a photograph of that, and that

1101
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:55.760
seems different than his other photos,
right, And she's such a credible witness,

1102
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:58.800
And I do find that, you
know, interesting, and maybe that

1103
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:01.880
is a legitimate picture, right,
Yeah, it could be, And it

1104
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:05.680
definitely does look a lot different from
his other photos. Yeah. But again,

1105
01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:09.319
he's got he's got film, he's
got audio, he's got so much

1106
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:14.800
stuff. But you know, with
all the details together, it's really hard

1107
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:18.760
to believe that it's all true.
Yeah, too hard for me to believe.

1108
01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:23.640
And with people who have been very
active in the investigations and written books

1109
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:28.920
and you know, people that are
cited as these main reference points, their

1110
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:33.199
information is all conflicting. Yeah,
I mean that conflicting information stuff left out

1111
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:38.039
that shouldn't have been, and we're
we're pretty much out of time already.

1112
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.960
I mean, that went really quick. But you know, for me,

1113
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:45.319
I think the story that you did
is great, and I think it was

1114
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:50.840
important enough that you had discovered some
things that are forgotten, maybe conveniently forgotten,

1115
01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:56.760
or maybe just people didn't know about
that did research early on that it

1116
01:27:56.840 --> 01:27:59.600
was important enough that we should talk
about it on the show. Well,

1117
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:01.359
and again, I don't pretend to
be an expert. This is just information

1118
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:06.039
that I was able to pull out
just by looking through the sources and unavailable

1119
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:09.199
and I'm biased. Look, and
you know all you have to do is

1120
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:12.199
look at more than one source.
Yeah, and you'll start to see all

1121
01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.680
this though, which is important.
That's what you got to do, people.

1122
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.399
Yep, that's how you research.
You look at multiple, multiple sources

1123
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:21.520
and find the sources of your sources. Because I've found lately, especially some

1124
01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:27.199
searcher says, some scientists say it's
this, and you go look it up

1125
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:30.119
and they've totally misinterpreted the scientists who
are kind of twisted their words. Oh

1126
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:34.479
yes, but we are out of
time. Thank you guys so much for

1127
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:40.239
tuning in. I hope you found
this interesting. I find this information very

1128
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:45.199
interesting, and I'm going on the
record that Billy's no longer in my gray

1129
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:48.600
basket doesn't mean I don't like him
or his pictures. It just means that,

1130
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:53.159
unfortunately, I'm skeptical of his story. Next week, we're gonna have

1131
01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:57.039
Leslie Kine on, which is going
to be fun because she had this documentary

1132
01:28:57.399 --> 01:29:01.600
that went out recently, and of
course we'll talk about some of the important

1133
01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:05.119
things. A lot of people have
been asking her about the Belgium picture of

1134
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:11.399
the Triangle UFO because they had that
in the documentary, although recently we heard

1135
01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:14.760
that it was faked. Was it
really faked? Is this the right guy?

1136
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:16.640
Sometimes people say, well I took
a picture and I faked it,

1137
01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:20.119
and they're not even the person who
took the picture. So we'll find out

1138
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:26.159
more about that from Leslie herself and
what it was like to make this History

1139
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:29.840
Channel documentary that she's been working on
ever since the Congress. She was at

1140
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:34.119
the UFO Congress in February. So
thank you all for joining Open Minds Radio.

1141
01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:40.159
Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv
for more UFO news. We'll talk

1142
01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:41.359
to you next week. People,