WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.000 Ready. I' ve got here, we' re here. That fruit 2 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.679 is a rebound. I don' t have an echo. You have an 3 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:34.000 echo. We all have to see him. I don' t know what 4 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:39.200 it is. He' s gone. That' s what happens when there 5 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:43.240 ' s two streams Yard, for example, the other day we interviewed Mayela 6 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:48.399 in history, in history it was because I had two carnitas open here. 7 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.520 Then that' s why. But, well, we' re already here 8 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.679 without echo, without nech today. Welcome, welcome, doctor amen Hello, 9 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.119 how about good night, as a pleasure to be around with topics as always 10 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:03.200 interesting and worthy of reflection Welcome, dear Efra Baby, I happy to be 11 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.359 with you in this great ending of mercuda retr here is already ending. Glory 12 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:14.120 to God. Blessed, you don' t know how difficult we' re 13 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.920 going to have to have them coming, Nicola Tesla, we' re going 14 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:21.879 to go back and talk about retrograde mercury in a member program so that no 15 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.159 one will say ah not the one they want and the one they believe and 16 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:27.560 the one they think is right, because it passes to the member program about 17 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.519 retrograde mercury. I think we could do it weekend at some point, right, 18 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.560 Ephraim, at some point it stings me I say, I say, 19 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.319 Ephraim, not for which the doctor has me to participate, simply because he 20 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.439 is the one who knows who leads us on these issues. Together, of 21 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.879 course, listen, thank you for signing up, thank you for being here, 22 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:52.560 for getting ready, for being part of this channel, for being with 23 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:53.719 us, so for your opinions, for everything you want to say. Today 24 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.560 we' re going to talk about Paco Stanley' s case. If you 25 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.040 want to say what you think, what it was, what you found out, 26 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:07.120 what the rumor was and how you see this from the series without warning 27 00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:15.159 Paul, without having consulted other people. There are many things within this fact 28 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:17.240 that happened, this crime, that shocked Mexico City and, of course, 29 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:24.080 the whole country. But let' s play it point- by- point, 30 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:29.680 considering that the show is about to be released on Amazon Prime, as 31 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.680 I understand it, and whether it' s Listean but weeks and bad. 32 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:36.840 And also, I want to tell you that it has been Aztec Television who 33 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:43.080 has obtained the rights to broadcast that, to make open television, Aztec Television 34 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.080 AZTEK one So it is still. I read it, barely read it penitas, 35 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:50.439 but I insist Thank you for subscribing to bulls who are in Spotify, 36 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.919 in t Spreaker, in iTunes, in Amazon Music. Thanks for being here. 37 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.840 Thanks for being here. Those who are on Facebook and YouTube are very 38 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:04.000 welcome to you and your likes, of course, many. All right, 39 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.280 listen up. Let' s start watching Paco Estalley a dear driver. The 40 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.919 truth may be that some do not like it, that some find it excessive 41 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.159 that they may finally have their opinion on what they want about. But he 42 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:23.039 ' s a very dear driver, who was able to empathize with people. 43 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.319 He was in the home club, the place club in a program for bulls 44 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.960 who are very young, a program that was broadcast for years on TV open 45 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:36.199 on channel four, which was the city channel and was led by Daniel Perez 46 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:42.280 to the Caras with Magdaleno. They can google it, they can look for 47 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.759 it, but they will see it and when Daniel dies, arcade pers that 48 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.199 no one expected it to be before Madaleno, because it replaces it. Paco 49 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:53.000 Stanley does very well. He also works on half- day joys. We 50 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:58.560 also saw it produced by Humberto Navarro. We saw him work, because he 51 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:03.240 ' s been running other programs, and since when he' s doing this 52 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:04.719 half- day joy thing, they find out. He' s a great 53 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:10.360 driver, because he had this ease of taking people, of driving people into 54 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:15.879 moods. I was able to claim a poem and take them to the deepest 55 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:23.120 of sorrows, but after making a joke and people laughing. I also had 56 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:29.839 that ability that few have to make fun of it and then bring this joke 57 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:31.120 to the public. Not the public. So, I wasn' t offended, 58 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:33.879 because I' m taking part in the same joke you' re making 59 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.800 fun of you. Not so he had this magic Paco are there, I 60 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:43.399 insist, regardless of what you think of him in other respects, Paco was 61 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.839 a great TV character and for something, as he leaves Televisa and takes him 62 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:51.199 to Aztec television to do the morning. He had a show in the afternoons 63 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:55.079 and then he was betrayed until he made a morning one called Paca Telas, 64 00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:00.639 but he had on TV, he had others. I don' t remember 65 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.480 what they were called Forgiveness. My name' s gone. I just missed 66 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.680 the names one after another right now, one after another. He had been. 67 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:12.000 They remember, too. I remember being with him Gaby Rufo who I 68 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.160 love and love and has told me that with her he was a very respectful 69 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.959 man and others, entered a very nice relationship with Paco And well, he 70 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:28.680 takes all his equipment to Televisión Azteca and does the program. There and then, 71 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.360 that' s where it was when you did it, that it was 72 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:38.480 buoyant, effervescent, effervescent everything, they had good novels, maybe they weren 73 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:43.240 ' t so good anymore, but they did have yet, they had haste 74 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.639 canovelas and they had characters and there was this struggle to come and go. 75 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:55.120 But and he manages to position a very solid morning and well crime and is 76 00:05:55.199 --> 00:06:00.639 killed coming out of the frog pool when he was going to have lunch after 77 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.240 doing his show next to Jorge Gill Mario Besares, and since the production team 78 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:09.199 was his eldest son. Looks to me like he died later, too. 79 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.639 And that' s where it starts. There begins what is going to be 80 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.759 the series that Amazon, Amazon, and you as you see it dear, 81 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:21.199 you begin it to me yes, it begins now, as the very threshing 82 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:27.120 phrase says, the person does not die and the legend begins, because it 83 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.959 really does happen here, that this becomes everything to a legend full of reveques, 84 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:39.079 full of hypotheses, full of assertions of many people and with characters involved, 85 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.319 unfortunately, in this situation that today, because they continue in the public 86 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:50.720 eye. And every time something new happens, it is said that there was 87 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:58.959 an anniversary of this death or that this documentary was released at the time where 88 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:03.160 several of the original people did participate. Let' s say now, because 89 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:09.360 this issue of the series comes and the truth is that it is something very 90 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:14.519 complicated, because, indeed, paco being him and he was also a character 91 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:18.800 as you say popular dear, with a very peculiar talent and very wide range, 92 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:24.240 as you say, for good speech and poetry and also to be sometimes 93 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:29.199 very heavy in his jokes and so on. And then, yes, it 94 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.720 is a very brilliant Aztec era. In fact, there was a lot of 95 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:38.600 creativity there, there was a lot of money. They were taking away a 96 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:43.120 lot of actors who had lost exclusivitys on Televisa, which was the only television 97 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:47.600 set that existed at the time, let' s say, with this kind 98 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.560 of capital and that' s when they started taking everybody and they took paco 99 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.040 tanle that I remember a lot of lupita of how. I want to talk 100 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.199 to you about that so that those who didn' t touch you know what 101 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.160 Paco was like, this law, and what he was like with Mario Besares, 102 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:01.959 if he was the producer. So they did work very hard on the 103 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:09.199 creative issue. When they arrive on Aztec television, they make an entrance where 104 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.920 they arrive in a weight in one of these great ra super with the perico 105 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.839 in the cage, the perico cage, egg boxes tied as literally we are 106 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.959 moving from home after a lifetime, having been in Televisa and we arrived here 107 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:30.360 and then they arrive just like leaving square, doing something very striking and with 108 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:37.879 a great success. So much so that many people keep today because I don 109 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:41.399 ' t know if they directly recorded the TV or, they could record inside 110 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.279 from other devices, but they have or exist and also from what the same 111 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.120 television secure. They had their collection of many videos and fragments of the programs 112 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:56.240 and the things he did, where they put together stories and say look here 113 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.480 was happening this, because surely that means that clear, of course, people 114 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.799 interpreted things. Listen to Mira Teren tell us that call the show with Gaviera 115 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.480 take it. He also had a program calledÁndale and then had them to 116 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:18.840 watch Maria Moreno. I never said Paco' s son was killed in the 117 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:26.120 bombing. I never said he was accompanied by his son, Jorge Gill, 118 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:33.000 Mario Besares and others. And then his son died and his son died. 119 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.480 It seems to me that from a heart attack, but your children went there, 120 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.639 if they went there, this good hypothesis and even if it wasn' 121 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:45.960 t, I didn' t say that he died there, well, then 122 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:46.519 they' re here. Well, there' s what you just said. 123 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.519 They' re taking us out. Bix' s documentary is very interesting, 124 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:54.639 but the documentary is the one you mentioned. What comes next is this series 125 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.360 based on Jorge Gill' s book. As you see, you, Ephraim, 126 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:05.000 for I am distressed. I am very costy, because I am very 127 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.240 well liked along with those involved. Not because it' s not the book 128 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.720 that came out best saved from all the books that came out about it. 129 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:16.399 In fact, that most criticized book, that book was me reading, researching 130 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:18.639 that this book, I remember when the book came out that a lot of 131 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.679 people come out saying no, that is, this book is full of things 132 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.360 that are not true. And all the more, I don' t know 133 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.600 how much Amazon' s intention in buying the rights to this book and doing 134 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.440 it with this book, that is, exactly to generate as the other version 135 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.600 of what was the documentary, which is very good that we all fell in 136 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:43.480 vixs because of the documentary, because we all saw dragged by the documentary this 137 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.960 and I don' t know how much what they want to generate is exactly 138 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.000 this controversy so that from the morbo we' re going to see it, 139 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:48.279 because we' re all going to see it. I pray for the morbid. 140 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.639 I think of course it' s morbid brings in the in case because 141 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.639 I do think the cast is very good. I mean, the cast I 142 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.679 think was well thought out. No, I mean, we don' t 143 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.279 expect to see a hairy one. It' s clear, because it' 144 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.200 s true that Belinda, like you don' t even recognize her, we 145 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:07.960 ' re not going to see the balls. I' ll show you to 146 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.200 the cast. Let me have them over here. Yes, Paula, there 147 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.919 ' s a record, but I' m going to go buy myself there, 148 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.840 neither Belinda nor Paola. Nor do you remember that Paola had a problem 149 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.120 in her mouth, in some matter that he later operated on when he got 150 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.759 out of jail and was completely different. Belinda' s trying to do this 151 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:35.600 shape she had in her mouth. I don' t know if anyone knows 152 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.679 which one, what he had before she was operated on. What they' 153 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.639 re trying to do to Belinda. This is Jorge Gill. Jorge Gil was 154 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:52.480 a reporter on Televisa. Paco Stanley takes it And well, because I believe 155 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.960 and a lot was said that it was a little bit of betrayal on the 156 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.320 part of Jorge Gil to have written this book and that, maybe it was 157 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:07.000 also a little bit of a way to get around, to get rid of 158 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.080 the facts that had happened and everything that was and that started to come out. 159 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.840 With regard to the case of Paco Stalle, yes, it seems to 160 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.000 me that the actor who plays pap such and has absolutely nothing to do with 161 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.720 him, Luis Gerardo Méndez, because he is very good actor and I hope 162 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.639 Mario Besares does, but for he would give the benefit of the doubt. 163 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.279 We' ll have to see, we' ll have to watch the show 164 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.759 for morbidness. Then there are some series that already give us for a chapter 165 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:31.399 and we don' t come back anymore. Let' s see if this 166 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.720 show is saved. No, I don' t. What happens is that 167 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:39.519 here, obviously, I' ve generated a lot of expectation for the trailer 168 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.440 they released. That' s where all the heart of the matter is making 169 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.039 noise right now and all these lawsuit threats and so on, because she' 170 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.080 s very angry Paola during she' s very angry several Besares who already said 171 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.840 she was going to sue. In fact, it strikes me that Mario Bésares 172 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.759 said he will sue the actors as well. I don' t know how 173 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:03.879 much it is. This would be advisable and possible, because, because the 174 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.639 actors give them a character and they do it. I don' t know 175 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.679 frankly how this would operate, but it' s because of the trailer, 176 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:18.159 the clear trailer that' s designed to powerfully draw attention to it causing the 177 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.600 impact it' s causing and the curiosity it' s causing. I agree 178 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.480 with Efrain the cast, because it is heavy what talks about the budget there 179 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:30.639 and then. I think that if the budget, there is probably also a 180 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.320 preparation for what might come at a given time. There are those who say 181 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.559 the same. Paula said there are friends who tell her that maybe that scene 182 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.639 that bothers her a lot where she' s kissing Mario Besares or the character 183 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:46.320 who plays Mario Besares, the actor never happened and that' s why she 184 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.480 says they' re going to paint me like the one who was there with 185 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:54.200 this Mr Married and so on. I disagree. Such and such and then, 186 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.080 perhaps they will put it, as the friend said, that nothing else 187 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.519 dreamed or that someone would imagine it. There' s one thing, too. 188 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.720 There are licenses, there are literary licenses. When you are writing a 189 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.879 series, a soap opera in an hour and you can mix a little fiction 190 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.360 with the facts, but it can indeed be a dream of Mario Kissing. 191 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:16.840 Anyway, I don' t know, I don' t know how they 192 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:22.279 handle it, I don' t know if they' re going to mention 193 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.720 the names of characters like Paola During, like Mario Besares, like Paco is 194 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.159 because then they would be subjects. One demand remember that in many the series 195 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.320 of Luis Miguel could not mention all the names. Araceli' s Arambula, 196 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:37.159 of course. For example, he says right now I was reading in the 197 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.799 morning. It says first I have to see says Paula during the series and 198 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.120 then my lawyers are going to rely on the content to see what happens, 199 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.000 as it is several things. The defamation, also on the side that I 200 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:56.120 am a woman and they are not respecting me and especially because they say my 201 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:01.080 name and because they say Paola during and I do not authorize. That' 202 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.759 s exactly what I' m telling you. There' s Paola during the 203 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:09.279 time they wanted to put Belinda. There it makes it already what it' 204 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:16.759 s called, it' s called retrognatism, the jaw outside, the top 205 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.039 part actually is yes the upper maxi. And here' s how they try 206 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.919 to put it wrong, because it' s the bottom that stand out in 207 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:31.159 personification and then Paula says for the time being in her statements, that is, 208 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.960 it' s my biography, my story, my image is defaming me 209 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:43.320 and they don' t realize that twenty- four years ago the prosecutor' 210 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:45.039 s office invented a story and now one platform is inventing another. What it 211 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.799 ' s about being hurt and hurt more than we already had, so be 212 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:54.519 sure she had to be in jail. I had no relationship with Mario verseders 213 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.720 and there too they pretend that Mario points to me that I was the one 214 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.279 who came to this one. They' re at the crime scene and that 215 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.879 never happened. There are also our children. Mario' s married, he 216 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:08.039 ' s got kids. I have my daughter Stephany. So much lies affects 217 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.840 our families and our children and our friends, the people who love us in 218 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.039 the end keep saying it' s time to stop and stop winning with our 219 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.200 history, with our lives. I never sued, I never said anything for 220 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.080 this because I' m calm, but I prefer to stop the people who 221 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.000 are doing it already, because they' re winning minus one. They' 222 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.639 re winning minus one. He' s winning in that part. Yeah, 223 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.360 he' s right, yeah, of course they' re gonna win. 224 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.279 Of course they' re going to win. Now there is also information that, 225 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:42.200 apparently, the story of this series will be developed from narratives of each 226 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:49.039 of the characters from their particular point of view. So, maybe that' 227 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:55.759 s where these freedoms, as you said literary ones, will be justified, 228 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.399 that they can show as something that comes to mind. Not I guess they 229 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.359 either said it, but it wasn' t always true. It' s 230 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.799 like every character is going to tell it differently or from where he sees it. 231 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.759 So I think maybe that' s what they might think they' ll 232 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.680 protect themselves with. Or this I' m telling you, it was a 233 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.559 trailer designed to accomplish this you' re accomplishing. To draw attention and mere 234 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.799 attention. Now let' s see if it doesn' t turn out that 235 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.119 the series, because maybe we don' t have to see the book, 236 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:30.240 because if it' s based on this man' s book, Jorge Gill, 237 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:30.839 well, look, let' s do this count. It also says 238 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.759 a thousand nine hundred and eighty- six was on Ambrose Paco Stanley' s 239 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.359 carbine and on screen in a thousand nine hundred and eighty- eight and he 240 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.039 drives in echo. It' s totally true. For fifteen years he was 241 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:47.000 in Don Juan Tenorio, of course, unforgettable, on the fifteenth of December 242 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:48.960 of nine hundred, on the day of my birthday, in nine hundred and 243 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.240 ninety- eight, Azteca was one after another. On the ninety- nine 244 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:56.920 in Azteca on Saturdays he did yes, there is and well, and that 245 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:02.240 program barely started when the Ephraim attack came. You wanted to say something, 246 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.920 yes, I mean, but as far as we' re getting, it 247 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:07.400 ' s necessary to do a bioseries based on a murder. Yeah, you 248 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:12.799 ' ll see, well, yeah, well, you know how the crime 249 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.640 platforms are flooded, everyone in the world. But I mean, I think 250 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.759 Paul thinks Paola, I think of everyone who' s alive and who' 251 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.519 s hurting them, so they call him an interview with Paola and I don 252 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.160 ' t know something hurts me because I' m going to tell you one 253 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:36.480 thing. Paul Poles, Paul wanted to stop it, Paul made a complaint. 254 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.920 Paul. They' re not really going to affect the image of why 255 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:41.039 Paul wasn' t there. Paul was twelve years old. Pola was a 256 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:47.279 little boy who also had a hard time. Not only does this happen to 257 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.559 him the death of his father, who had recognized him, who loved him, 258 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.559 who frequented him, who had seen him, who had a nice relationship 259 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:59.279 with Paul, so that later the brother would have refused him to attend the 260 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.720 funeral. Not to see him fart allowed to approach the funeral when they were 261 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.359 burying his father, for he already carries this suffering and has him as he 262 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.400 surely must suppose it or say, because it' s okay my dad power 263 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.440 if they want to and say it, but he was my dad and so 264 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.279 wanted, then Paul can' t intervene much because he doesn' t appear 265 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.240 in this. No, and they know that I love mystery and crime stuff 266 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.960 and so on, but when they come from a very serious thing, well 267 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:32.039 done, there I feel that this is not accurate. He also said no, 268 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.359 but we haven' t seen him. But what I do know. 269 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:40.279 I remember a lot being said about Jorge Gill' s book See, it 270 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.240 seems to me that I did read it back then, because the truth is 271 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:47.240 that, well, what happened was super shocking. I mean, we' 272 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:52.000 re telling it right now, because it seems like we' ve also gotten 273 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.559 a little used to those levels of violence that I think were just starting at 274 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.640 the time. I mean, it was a very weird thing, but or 275 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.039 think, good to think of a place like that restaurant, where families go, 276 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:11.680 where they still go not in fact this one, and that in broad 277 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.920 daylight, that would have happened without forgetting that he also lost his life to 278 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.319 a man who had nothing to do with the matter exactly notice client who was 279 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.160 there. Then forgive the impact. That' s what we hadn' t 280 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:27.240 seen before. And then Jorge Gil writes his book and I remember that I 281 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:30.240 think I read it and yes, he made a lot of sense. He 282 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:36.000 was kind of hurt to think that he didn' t have to have come 283 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.200 absolutely nothing from what he lived. He had a foot wound. It was 284 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.319 fine and, in fact, for you it fell back into the seats and 285 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:48.440 I understood very well the momentary position, the shock. But considering the attack 286 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.440 that had happened, absolutely no one should have suffered it. But neither Jorge 287 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:57.039 Hill, nor the Driver, nor anyone else at all. Then it seems 288 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:02.200 to me like carrying him. It wasn' t him, it wasn' 289 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:06.400 t the target, he wasn' t the target or the target of the 290 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:08.599 criminals, but he was in the wrong place the time, wrong and he 291 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.240 was part of that team and it was they who had taken him to that 292 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.599 job. Yes, really later and sorry, but I' m telling you 293 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:18.000 if you' re going to write a book to write later and I' 294 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.079 m going to say the word sorry, he' s going to write shit 295 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.440 about the people who gave you work to say all the bad things, that 296 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.200 they were, because you wouldn' t have gone to work with them, 297 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.039 you would have trad when you realized the first thing you didn' t like, 298 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.720 because you would have given up that day, that time would have been 299 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.519 because you were outraged by what Paco did and what Mario Besales did and what 300 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:41.160 my king did. If you didn' t like it, you would have 301 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:47.039 been. But you stayed because they were doing so well. Then that book 302 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.519 to me. That' s why Jorge Hill was criticized so much and I 303 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:59.000 keep thinking about it he hears and says when they' re retaken reform of 304 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.799 the things that Paul declared in En when he was in the house famous and 305 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:04.880 one of the things that asked him about his father' s death, and 306 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.440 he said that, because he was very young, but he had to make 307 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.000 me strong for my mom. But at the same time I was afraid that 308 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.440 he would go out on the street and not come back, so imagine the 309 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.240 poor guy had killed his dad and because all that was left of him was 310 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.079 his mother, who, of course, was scared to death. Paul I 311 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.759 insist he has absolutely nothing to do with it here and well, let' 312 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:30.200 s do a little description Paco. What was known that day is that Paco 313 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:36.160 is here. It' s just to see if right now, no one 314 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:40.240 asked you sir is giving him the weather, he' s saying it' 315 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:49.200 s cloudy right now. But, well, there was Paco Stanley eating lunch, 316 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:52.559 having lunch with the frogs. After the program there would be about eleven 317 00:22:52.599 --> 00:23:00.039 and a half twelve at noon and there was still no second floor. There 318 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:04.880 was a pedestrian bridge in that place, a pedestrian bridge very close to the 319 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:10.400 puddle of frogs. And this pedestrian bridge began on the Peripheral, not on 320 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:15.400 the sidewalk on the side of the Peripheral. So, when Pacos is eating, 321 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:22.079 they' re gonna say goodbye and then Mario Besares says I' m 322 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.200 going to the bathroom. Mario kissing Es, they were carrying a leg. 323 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:29.279 Then, it will take longer, you go to the bathroom and wait in 324 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:32.880 the car. They' re getting in the car. There is the driver, 325 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.960 of course, all the ballet parking that those who know in that place, 326 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:41.160 as there are several ballet parking, four or five ballet parking, because 327 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:45.720 that place is very frequented. And then the chauffeur is paco. The chauffeur 328 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:49.599 climbs sideways, so obvious of the chauffeur Paco and climbs ahead of the side 329 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:56.839 of the co- pilot. Jorge Gill gets on the back, and people 330 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:03.880 are coming after the team. In other cars, hitmen cross, run across 331 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:11.079 the pedestrian bridge, and then rag the truck, they kill Paco sitting there, 332 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.960 which was terrible to see. It was very terrible to see those images 333 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.880 of paco recharged in the window. It was shocking, because the driver, 334 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.319 Jorge Gillen, died. When he realizes the attack goes to the back seat, 335 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:25.000 he hides and has already touched a pregnancy, but he leaves for the 336 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.559 back and then leaves Mario Besares And what happens? What' s wrong? 337 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.440 They talk to the offices and the Azteca television helicopters are coming. The Head 338 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.559 of Government, if I remember correctly, was not Head of Government, he 339 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:44.480 was not regent, because we still had no governor here. He was still 340 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.920 not the first, the first Head of Government, who was Cuauhtemoc Cárdenas, 341 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.400 then, Yes, it was popular collection, because before the Regent of Mexico 342 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.279 City he put it the President here was by popular election and was cuautemoc Cárdenas. 343 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.960 Then. Of course, then imagine with the spirits and the television sets 344 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.839 and so on. The first thing that happened was that insecurity, the climate 345 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.759 of insecurity, began to attack the Government. They tried to rob him. 346 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:17.960 Then a scandal. Here' s one thing very, very interesting, because 347 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:19.599 it' s to see how the media moved. If you have seen the 348 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.279 crime of how Uja Simpson' s crime took place, then here it kind 349 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:30.440 of happened how the media are turning reporting here, because he was a famous 350 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.960 character dearly loved he was working at the time on a television set. Who 351 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.480 would have thought someone would dare kill him and that way on the side of 352 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:44.519 the Peripheral. So the news is beginning to say about security, and the 353 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.680 government of Mexico City is saying to see. Let' s see, let 354 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.000 ' s see, let' s get out all the accounts to do, 355 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.119 to dig up what' s going on here. The solicitor, indeed, 356 00:25:53.160 --> 00:26:00.640 was Samuel of the Billiards and then they begin to investigate and start making things 357 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:07.359 come out very strong as theories of xylo. He had a narco boss killed 358 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.000 because he had messed with the wife, because if he owed her money, 359 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:11.599 because if he didn' t want to give her back, I don' 360 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:12.880 t know what. But that' s good. These are speculations that to 361 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:19.000 this day, because they are speculations because we don' t know, because 362 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.240 he grabbed only two people who were the ones who had fired, but the 363 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.240 intellectual, because we don' t know what does. I know what does 364 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:36.799 happen and it stains the picture a lot is the consumption of substances from Paco 365 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.799 Stanley that comes out and then the government, instead of keeping it, shows 366 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.279 it, because look who it was that we' re going to say that 367 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:49.000 a person with a lot of substances doesn' t make it criminal that and 368 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:49.720 you end up being told by many governments. But by the way, last 369 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:55.279 week Joe Biyden just said the fact that people bring in weed. It doesn 370 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.200 ' t mean you' re in jail. Well the saying that wouldn' 371 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.839 t be a reason for the problem. It is that, when they begin 372 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.319 to investigate, it was the people with whom he was mixed up and everything 373 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:11.039 that he went out before going to Aztec television towards dumbbell with also Benito Castro 374 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.079 Benito stayed in Televisa and Mario Besares does go with him. A series of 375 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:21.079 legends are beginning to emerge. I' d tell them urban legends, because 376 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:22.079 I wouldn' t dare say they' re true. And you start speculating 377 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:27.200 about Benito Castro, you start speculating about Mario Besar Es, about the businesses 378 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:32.119 they could have had, who they could have had them with. And that 379 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:36.599 ' s where this legend is created. The police say, well, according 380 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.599 to the investigations and according to how the facts happened, hey, what a 381 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:45.680 coincidence that everyone went out and Mario Besares didn' t come out strong, 382 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.599 Mario kissing them that I brought a cast and couldn' t go fast, 383 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:52.519 what a coincidence that you brought the cast. Then you put it on. 384 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.960 And then they start analyzing the previous programs. And well, then, it 385 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.920 follows that Mario Bazares put it, because he stayed in the bathroom and went 386 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:08.519 out until the whole shooting had passed. Here' s a shocking thing. 387 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.559 I don' t know what happened, what happened to the waiters who are 388 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:17.359 to be seen lying on the ground, what fear and witnesses. They were 389 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.680 probably questioned in the same way as the ballet park I want to tell you 390 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.960 one thing we may not have the best cop in the world. But when 391 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:30.000 they investigate, they investigate, then they make these guesses. With Paola during. 392 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.759 It may indeed be that Paola had nothing to do with it. Maybe 393 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.000 Paula didn' t even think she was at breakfast that day. Maybe she 394 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.839 wasn' t even there, as I understand it. But charging exactly. 395 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.640 But Mario Besares remains and remains forever, and I am not being guilty, 396 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:51.599 but remains forever with the sign of doubt as what Batman' s riddle is 397 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:56.920 called. So yes, they do remain for several reasons, and the main 398 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:03.599 one that they are saying the coincidence of him not being present exactly the moment 399 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:11.160 they leave and are exposed to this attack already inside the truck. But also, 400 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.599 there is talk that the injury that he had that was like in his 401 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.640 foot, because it was not so serious that he had come walking and so 402 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.039 on, and that then many people began to feel to do things as suspicious. 403 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:27.720 About that too, Lupita. I remember very well that something that made 404 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.599 people think maybe, he was threatened by someone. He already knew something was 405 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.920 going to happen because on that last show I saw him and I saw him 406 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.400 because I remember very well that I was twenty- four years ago I had 407 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.079 just had a baby. Then I was with a baby in my house, 408 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.319 where I am doing well those shows that made me spend the morning entertaining. 409 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.720 And I remember well that he, at some point before finishing the program, 410 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.559 after making the jokes, the contests, the songs, everything that was done 411 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:04.200 there, he made a brief presentation regarding the conditions of the country. At 412 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.880 the time, he spoke and said something. I don' t remember exactly, 413 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.279 but he did do some kind of reflection and he said something like good 414 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.279 and I hope they had fun. But at the same time, I also 415 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:22.039 hope that something like that the authorities of this country and this city will listen 416 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.559 to us more and pay attention, because many things are happening that should not 417 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.000 happen and we deserve to be cared for. He said it, he said 418 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.960 it, and when it happened, we had the news of what happened. 419 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.960 On the other hand, listen and if I don' t know if you 420 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.559 remember, but there are also testimonies to see. We don' t put 421 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.559 images because we don' t own the magics of the videos. And here 422 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:48.519 it is a matter of rights. So, but there' s a part 423 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.559 where in that last program he also receives you remember that he read messages from 424 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.279 the audience. I wasn' t already making a funny soma that said you 425 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.480 look gorgeous. I want to go out with you I want to kiss you. 426 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.799 It was a joke I was making. I think it' s always 427 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.039 a lifetime. But among those messages he reads one of someone' s and 428 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.880 when he reads it, he turns to see the audience. It seemed like 429 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.000 a threat to me. Yes, not good much, because besides, a 430 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.680 man says, a man who at that time might not sound very much to 431 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:25.400 anyone, but now yes, exactly, now yes, yes, he said 432 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.079 a name of an organized crime character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And 433 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.160 then, at that moment of course we didn' t know, because besides, 434 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:38.079 I want to tell you it wasn' t the Mexico of the narcoseries, 435 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:44.359 it wasn' t Mexico that was so common everyday. That didn' 436 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.880 t exist. So assuming we didn' t know the names of organized crime, 437 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.519 it wasn' t as common as the barbie was already smiling, look 438 00:31:52.519 --> 00:32:00.400 at the cholo. He' s said to be the federal district attorney general 439 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:01.839 ' s office, that' s his name. He' s a prosecutor 440 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.759 now. He accuses José Luis Rosendo Martínez, Besares' assistant, of driving 441 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:14.519 Enrique Tamayo away from the Paco pickup truck. Indeed, then Mr José Luis 442 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:22.599 Reséndez is also imprisoned and it turns out that he is also Mario' s 443 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.160 assistant. It' s just that that' s where they' re from 444 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.640 the D A or then the D A' s office. Attacks yes, 445 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.839 no, yes, yes, yes, and there were things, also a 446 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.640 lot of things. I remember that they said every day there was no news 447 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:43.119 about it, when it tells us that already started an investigation, when they 448 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:49.400 are already in prison paola during and Mario Besares. Every day there was a 449 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.720 follow- up and today there was an audience and I said I don' 450 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.279 t know what and I also remember that there was a lot of talk about 451 00:32:54.279 --> 00:33:00.160 a famous cook. I remember that we heard or that I had to see 452 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:07.680 that because I was coming I mean, it was so strange all that, 453 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:13.200 so unlikely and so heavy, not that process that, well, there is 454 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.279 no doubt that it left a very strong footprint in society. The death of 455 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.759 Aguas was, of course, that it was a Parteaguas in Mexico City, 456 00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.319 because there had never been an attack in that way. See, we' 457 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.160 d had attacks on politicians. I don' t know if anyone reminds me 458 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.279 of all the attacks by the Massies. Yeah, we might have, but 459 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.519 not like this. No, not like this one, like Paco' s, 460 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.680 the first time he was like a situation with a public figure out of 461 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:46.359 politics. No, and it ended so badly that I was having myself as 462 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.759 I picked up. I think I' m starting to understand why. I 463 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.839 remember the interviews and I remember a lot, a lot one and thirty- 464 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:58.039 one December where is the wife of Mario Besares, shattered saying yes, right 465 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:02.200 now, we started to toast and never and rewind everyone because he asks me 466 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.160 that they were already born. Yes, and they were born and I was 467 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.920 very small, I was about seven years old, but of course I came 468 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.559 from elementary school and all that all the channels came to do was what had 469 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:14.440 happened, because it looked like they were even with the same camera, all 470 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:20.400 the TV sets. No, but everyone how we live in this situation so 471 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.960 close to everything they' re seeing, what they were out there, and 472 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.760 now they' re still out there and taking it back to the show. 473 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.679 I would sincerely hope that it would look good, that I don' t 474 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.639 believe it, because it was based on the book and a long time ago. 475 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.039 I sometimes lack tempiatas to say things to Lupita no, and what Lupita 476 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:37.960 said about the book is that that' s the perception of the book. 477 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:43.119 And if the show comes from that place, then I don' t think 478 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.840 it' s going well. The series, as this is documentary, is 479 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.960 written by an unthankful person. Anyway, if you' re going to talk, 480 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.000 I insist it' s like tomorrow to Ephraim or I hear him say 481 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:58.360 it, no man, it' s that the parco I was working on 482 00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:59.760 doesn' t know what they were doing and I was there for five years. 483 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.119 If it had been, then you would have been, why did you 484 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:09.079 stay not to write a book later. Please, Mira says that' s 485 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:14.679 very ugly that' s very very. Who asks us the dragonfly why he 486 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.719 came out, why he made himself think that Paola and Mario might have been 487 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.519 guilty. Pointing out Mario Besares was not difficult, I insist, because as 488 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:29.280 we read a little while ago and as we read before, Mario Besares' 489 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.079 assistant is the one who removes Paco' s escorts to Paco leaving him practically 490 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.480 alone without escorts. Several Besares are late to go to the bathroom. Apparently, 491 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.280 he didn' t have a serious injury that he wouldn' t have. 492 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:45.719 And Paola, during those dealing with Mario Besares, was also said that 493 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.960 Mario Besarez could have been guilty for the jokes Paco had. This one did 494 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.440 to Brenda Besares, who always said that their son was paid, that it 495 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.440 was a joke, a very heavy joke, but it was a joke that 496 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.199 I didn' t think it was enough to get someone to live, but 497 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.079 yes, to have someone at best. No, and they' re saying 498 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.360 that he had a grudge because he mistreated him and brought him in as a 499 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.119 patiño, that that was the role he played in the show before the House, 500 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.880 behind the Chamber, he was a producer and yes they were booty and 501 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.719 yes they were walking together to go and down. That is also why they 502 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.679 involve him, because he was very close. They spent the day practically together. 503 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.119 Then, in the same series Mario kisses them tells it and everyone has 504 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.519 confirmed it, that he spent the day drinking alcohol that until there we were 505 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.280 morning with such then we followed with I don' t know what. Then 506 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.719 as we were going with this more i e, yes, he spent a 507 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:44.440 lot of time together and apart Paola, they also involve her because they say 508 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.599 that someone mentions that there was an oera that was there and that says and 509 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.559 since I was the only oera. That' s why I got muddled and 510 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.840 noticed that now that Paola has also made these statements, first I was very 511 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.599 angry and I was going to sue. Then she said that she was going 512 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.440 to see her first and she had to think about it and that she was 513 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:00.000 going to consult lawyers and that she was already withdrawing. I didn' t 514 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.840 want to know anything else about this and everything, and I' ve seen 515 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.159 her being criticized a lot because she also insists and you say that I was 516 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:07.920 a child. I was a child and I was no longer that seducer. 517 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:12.760 I didn' t have that malice or that manipulation like they want to make 518 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.159 me, to look just because of the trailer that has been seen or what 519 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.280 you expect, to know Jorge Jin' s book, but the criticism because 520 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.320 it says well, she says that she was twenty- four years old, 521 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.480 not a girl, because she wasn' t already, she had a little 522 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:27.920 girl, but she lived with her mother and with her little girl. Then 523 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.559 I think there too, we have to understand that the reality is that she 524 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.880 perceives herself back then as a very helpless person, very vulnerable and very exposed 525 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:45.119 to a judicial system that the one who grabs her and says here no and 526 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:46.079 you' re going to do and confess and I don' t know what. 527 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:50.440 Then she feels very overwhelmed and if she was a girl, very young, 528 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.960 exactly she was a girl, properly, but she was a girl, 529 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:59.239 because very young, says Patricio Rafael Misursu la Paola relate her because a probable 530 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:06.280 author of him appeared and he says that who passed the information was she OK 531 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.000 Claudia says Dr Ame I have news for her. Mario told her ahead micha 532 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.639 that they were never friends of paco. That' s just chance. Turns 533 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.280 out you worked with him. You were leaving is what he said. I 534 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.320 heard it a thousand times. They said it, they were going to eat, 535 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.800 they were going out, they were going up, they were going down, 536 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:22.360 they were going in and then you said you' re not their friend, 537 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:23.719 because it' s the same thing. Four is the same as the 538 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.480 other one. And there, as the chimo says, the truffle will forgive 539 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:35.039 me a lot. But Mario Besares has spent half his life these 20 years 540 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:39.360 saying my friend and has even done interviews where he talks about his friend. 541 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.800 He said it with Jordi Rosado. He' s gone out in many places 542 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:49.159 and he' s always said I was in jail without even being able to 543 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.639 work my duel because my friend had died and they were accusing me. I 544 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.760 ' ve said it repeatedly that now it' s spread out in a more 545 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.719 recent interview, because that' s the other thing, but he always said 546 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.280 it and said it the way he didn' t for God' s sake. 547 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.559 I heard you reading, right now. I want to tell you that 548 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.679 I know Paul and I know him well and he' s really a very 549 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.159 nice person. I met him. I' m going to tell you when 550 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.679 I met him, when Carmen Armendaris did today there was when he produced it 551 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.360 well. I went once I was very few, but that day I was 552 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:27.440 there and there was Paul I had invited Carmen to drive and I really said 553 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.719 Carmen Schau seems very good to me. He brings his dad' s angel 554 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.280 He' s wearing it, and Carmen invited him to drive. Indeed, 555 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.280 Paul was also touched that day. He' s late. So Carmen is 556 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.360 very disciplined. Then he said no, you can' t go in. 557 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.119 And Paul was touched that time because because he was not part of the cast, 558 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.360 but a guest driver, he had nowhere to sit, just like me. 559 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.599 Then we kept talking and then he said to me, for what will 560 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.000 I say no, because what gives Carmen to see the discipline and a disciplined, 561 00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.760 simple, humble worker. He' s got restaurants that really tend it. 562 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.280 I' ve gone to his restaurants and he' s making the pizza. 563 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:07.159 He serves you the table and is a good person. Really. I 564 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:08.519 can assure you he' s a good person. They may not like his 565 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:15.880 mood or anything, but I do know him. I think she' s 566 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.679 a very good person and a dog lover. By the way, that' 567 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.199 s what I gave a lot of points. That gives him a lot of 568 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.840 beautiful dogs. Ephraim, I wanted to say something no. No, no, 569 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.599 this ay is that they said that because they let me see things like 570 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.519 that so small, because it was not that they let me see is that 571 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.360 you go down the street and all the televisions had that. In fact, 572 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.320 the image that I' m telling you all the way to mind where I 573 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.280 remember a tox you' re in need of the TV on and it looked, 574 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.119 I mean, it was viral for everything. Yeah, not exactly. 575 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.440 No, they were all the news and they were all the time and to 576 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.440 see what you saw there were no social networks. Let' s see, 577 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.599 then yes and I remember the chief of the coroner who' s called I 578 00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.639 think his name is José Ramón Fernascio and I said ay i am also of 579 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.719 that. But it wasn' t a super forensics that he gave, because 580 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.679 to see unlike what we see now that everyone thinks and says no, no, 581 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.440 because it wasn' t like you could see everything you had, all 582 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.800 the information. But on that day, the prosecutor' s office as it 583 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:21.280 was confronted with the media, for it released everything and so many years and 584 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:22.880 did this to you and the lord consumed and well forget to the foot of 585 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.039 athlete. I believe that everything that your life was said in Paco, because 586 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.880 it was not the fault of the security of the city, it is the 587 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:36.079 fault of what I was doing to cost you and be the argument in reality, 588 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:43.079 and Paco, because he was the character in question, to see says 589 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.880 Patricio Rafael Amel. After such a traumatic event, it is possible to disassociate 590 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:52.000 or disassociate oneself from the affective links that one has with those involved. Yes, 591 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.119 yes, it is possible, because that is a defense mechanism and the 592 00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:00.760 defense mechanisms are intended to avoid mental pain. Then, yes, of course, 593 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.039 it could happen. But I don' t know specifically who you' 594 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:08.480 re thinking about. If you' re thinking, for example, about Paul 595 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.440 Stanley, I don' t think it happened in his case. I do 596 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.920 remember seeing him as a child crying a lot, very sad after speaking, 597 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:23.199 let' s say, during his professional development he spoke little, but he 598 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.039 did talk about it being a very traumatic experience. Then it does not seem 599 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.760 to me that he has travelled, at least at that time to that particular 600 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.519 mechanism. But yes, well, of course it can happen, because for 601 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.599 that they are to avoid mental pain. But normally in healthy people, by 602 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.280 the way, they don' t last long either, like denial and all 603 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.679 the rest of mesanados of that is a process. Hey, yeah, ce, 604 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.559 Claudia that actually what she wanted to prove, Doctor was the contradictions of 605 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.800 Mario and the different versions that every time he was interviewed even the micha was 606 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.800 seen from the statement. It' s just that it' s not absurd. 607 00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:00.400 I don' t know, right now, Saliera, I don' 608 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:01.400 t know who' s doing a dupe show. Yeah I mean ah ah 609 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.760 Well if you tell me that some morning drivers aren' t friends, but 610 00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:07.440 it' s like they happen and I go out there to say no. 611 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:12.599 I forgot you never crossed a word with Andrea Legarreta. No. No. 612 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.239 No, no, no, we were never friends. Like how. No. 613 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.239 No. No, and I' m telling you, he did. 614 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.000 As my mom says, I fight and stay for many years. Now she 615 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.280 said something else, because I don' t know why exactly what she was. 616 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.360 Someone else is suspicious, not the truth, that is, imagine. 617 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.800 “ Look,” says the Bucarus paola present,“ says Paco’ s 618 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:36.639 other children what they think, they will say” It is known that Mira, 619 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.360 as I recall, had this big son, who worked with Paco, 620 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:44.360 who is the one who forbids him from showing up at the funeral and so 621 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.280 on. But, as I understand it and because I recently asked. It 622 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:53.000 seems to me that he died of a heart attack some time later, says 623 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.039 uy Lupis and then exposed the photos of the Paco body. It made me 624 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.920 so delectable and yes, especially put on the back of the family and then 625 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.280 made a pact later in a government it seems to me that it was Calderón 626 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.760 ' s. This pact of not presenting these strong scenes that lately people have 627 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:14.119 passed through the arch of triumph or there in Paris, exactly says the PGR 628 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.880 of that time, the pressur was Samuel of the Billiard, for his background 629 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.239 of creating stories, such as the one of peace in the case of the 630 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:29.599 death of Ruiz Massié. Affectively, the Cooper wants to talk, because he 631 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.800 also has an opinion. Cooper has an opinion and we' re going to 632 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:38.480 hear it and we' re going to hear it, listen cupa, you 633 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:45.400 leave us, please, to work cupes is how much this team is, 634 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.840 but notice what I was reading. Someone put it here and probably if it 635 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.559 ' s going to happen that at the time of the hour to see if 636 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:53.679 everything doesn' t get unscathed, at least at the time of the time 637 00:44:53.719 --> 00:45:00.039 to see if we don' t watch the show and we say all then 638 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.719 sure, surely to see, surely ay wait for me. Cooper conver, 639 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:07.920 say hello, because you wanted to be there. Hello to Cooper, hello 640 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:14.760 to Cooper. Yes, then, you' ll know who, then you 641 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:15.960 ' ll have to see her. We' re gonna have it exactly. 642 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.280 There' s no need to see her, there' s no need to 643 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:17.840 look, there' s no need to see her, and we' re 644 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.039 going to comment. La. Let' s comment because it' s going 645 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.760 to be very interesting. It' s a sound case that moved a country. 646 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:25.760 That' s why we consider it and that' s why it' 647 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.400 s important. I think we' ll talk about it, because there can 648 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:31.400 be a lot of series, a lot of crimes. The one we' 649 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.039 re going to present tonight, at ten o' clock in the night live, 650 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.840 that we' re going to talk about the cook, I mean the 651 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.400 chemist of Iztacalco, of Miguel Cortés, who just caught him With that we 652 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.559 ' re going to open the series of killer cereals today at ten o' 653 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.119 clock in the night live, we' re going to pac be there and 654 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.079 talk to us. But this case is hairy, terrible, brutal. But 655 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:58.599 it does not shock a country this way, because I insist, it is 656 00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.639 not that a person is worth more or less, it is what represents the 657 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:07.360 place where it is, where it works and the forces it counters here, 658 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.920 because of course, this man is a criminal, but he is not opposing 659 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.039 a television station a government is not happening that. So this case, that 660 00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:15.000 ' s why it' s important. That' s what gives him the 661 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.760 importance and the weight he has. But, today, at ten o' 662 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:23.039 clock in the night Mira says Lulu Lupita, the son who died was the 663 00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:27.760 oldest when he still lived exactly Paco. Thank you, thank you very much, 664 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.800 Lolu, thank you very much. Well, we' ll find out 665 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.960 that it' s one of the oldest children of Paco, and here we 666 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.599 ' ll say it. Thank you very much, dear Dr Amel, for 667 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.760 thank you all very much. And we see each other, Ahorita, we 668 00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.920 see each other in history, in about half an hour and then we see 669 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:50.480 each other at ten o' clock in the night, in broken souls live 670 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.880 for that that exact is not only for members, at ten o' clock 671 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:59.239 in the night live, for all the audience want dear Ephraim girls a likeness 672 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.679 paola búcaro opens on the twenty- fourth of May. This one asked us 673 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.920 I hear gives a rose. Hey, give me pink. True, we 674 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.800 are on the full moon right now, indeed, very intense, very intense. 675 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.440 Also very intense, but very intense talk, well, I' ll 676 00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.000 tell you one day. Thank you all and enjoy. I' ll see 677 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:21.639 you guys in half an hour, in history, in history. Thank you, 678 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.760 thank you, greetings, greetings to all who accompanied us and see you 679 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.239 in a little while. Let' s go, then, let' s 680 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.239 go, let' s go now