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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
GUFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin Jetster Willis Yo jet Cter.

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I love it. Yeah, I've
used that before. I think I don't

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think so, not now, jets
ceter. I think it's something similar but

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not quite that. I think this
is a new one. And the reason

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I go ahead, you know you
no, no, no, it's okay.

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The reason I say it is because, yeah, you wouldn't be able

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to tell it from how you sound, but you're actually thousands and thousands of

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miles away, and you're in Russia
right now. I was on the dark

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side of the Moon earlier today,
but yes I'm in Russia. Yeah.

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Well that brings up something interesting,
which is that, did you know China

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very soon here is going to send
a lander to the Moon, the dark

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side of the moon. It'll be
the first time any space agency has landed

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something on the dark side of the
Moon. They're going to bring like ever

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Ready flashlights with them or something probably
I don't know about ever Ready, but

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some sort of lighting device. I'm
sure. Yeah, that's interesting. I

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wonder why they wanted to do that. I means it must be very cold.

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First of all, of course,
I mean that's probably a really dumb

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thing for me to say, but
it's uh but I mean, what do

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you do. You have to look
at it with lighting, right, I

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mean, what else can you do? No, it is other types of

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studies. Oh yeah, because what
they're looking for because this new space race.

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There is now a new space race, and it's to get to the

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Moon. So we are competing with
Russia and China to essentially claim the moon.

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The race to claim the moon,
so like that in the twenty thirties,

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China and Russia are committed to putting
boots on the ground. And that's

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why are we have this new refocus
to go back to the moon, because

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we can't let them beat us.
And you know, and we probably will

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beat them because we've just got really
good technology. But that will be an

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important part is to explore. In
fact, we're going to send a probe

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to look at the dark side of
the Moon from space. It'll be you

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know, something that will orbit a
satellite because to know what minerals and stuff

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are there. They just discovered waters
there, right, which is helpful because

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then we'll be able to use it. That's very new right, wasn't that

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just recently? Yeah, they suspected
this ice at the Polar caps was water,

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but they just confirmed that it is
water and like the last week.

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And of course that's important because if
humans are there, then they can use

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that water to survive, and you
could use it for other things. You

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can break it down into the hydrogen
and the oxygen for breathable air and then

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for also propellant and for energy.
So it's it's a really important thing.

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So yeah, so it's really cool. Now was it what was it?

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It was something three, not helium
three, But yeah, I know what

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you mean that they're playing on because
there's a lot of energy in it.

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Yeah, it's like plutinium three,
titanium three. I can't remember, you

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know, some of the listeners are
probably going to remember, but I know

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what you mean. It is a
mineral, maybe helium three. It is

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helium three. Yeah, and that
is supposed to contain a lot of energy.

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So yeah, that may be something. But there has been some debate

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I've seen on that on whether or
not, you know, that's actually important

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or possible. But yeah, there's
a number of things. I mean,

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space mining is like an industry that
is really starting to gain momentum, and

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it's kind of a behind the scenes
thing. So we have a probe the

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Osiris X. In fact, it's
gonna that's gonna you know, just got

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a picture of the the asteroid that
it's going to land on here soon.

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And all of this exploration is about, you know, mining, which a

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lot of there are companies who have
done random numbers and it was a big

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story not too long ago that there
is money to be made, even though

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it's extremely expensive to get out there, there's money to be made in space

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mining. So all of this is
going down. Man, We're going to

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be have people in space spaces on
the Moon and the Mars. We're going

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to have mining. All of this
is going to happen in the next twenty

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years. It's crazy, you know. The thing, the thing about the

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mining and like to say, there, I forget what they were saying.

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Maybe platinum on one of the asteroids
and possibly diamonds and things like that.

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The one thing that makes the things
that we hold as valuable rare is is

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because they're rare. And like if
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all the goal that's ever been mined
is something like the size of an Olympic

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swimming pool. It's not as much
such as you would think, but all

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of a sudden, if we had
that in excess, then the values would

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have to drop because but it's hard
to get to I don't know, you

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know, and that's a hard thing. We never know for sure. There's

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so many unknowns. But you have
a great point. If if it's more

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in abundance, won't the price is
dropped. So for instance, there's supposedly,

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I think a planet they found that
it's got tons of diamonds, right,

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that's what I heard. So yeah, if we go to this planet

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and all of a sudden you can
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know, and it's more accessible,
you're probably right. There would be an

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effect that way. But then again, you know, I don't know,

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there will be more people. Uh, maybe we'll be spread out across you

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know, colonies on several planets or
space station. Who knows. It's really

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interesting. I know you can theorize
all kinds of things. Mm hmm.

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Who's your guests this time? In
fact? One more space story, okay,

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and then we'll get into that bigelow. So this is interesting. So

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I was just talking about a probe
in the Moon. In our race to

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get to the Moon. They are
taking contracts because part of the mandate for

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this this moon race, and NASA
is calling it Moon to Mars because first

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we go to the Moon and then
that's a stepping stone to Mars. Astronauts

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like Scott Kelly say, that's ridiculous
that just you know, takes more time

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and effort if we go straight to
Mars. But because China and Russia are

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going, there's this race to go
to Mars, and so part of that

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is a space station called the Gateway, a small space station. There are

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about a dozen companies that are in
the running that NASA is working with to

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create this space station, and Bigelow
Aerospace is one of those. So Lucky

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Martin just made a lot of news
in the last week because they put out

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their design for this space station,
which I think looks lame. It looks

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tiny, and it looks like all
of the old stuff we've seen over the

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years. So I was not impressed
whatsoever, But at least initial ideas that

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bige Low has put out because they
can inflate these big habitats that their whatever

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their plan will be likely will be
much more spacious than this Lackheed plan,

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so they probably have a really good
shot and maybe having being the people to

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have this first space station around the
Moon. That's a great idea. You

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know, you can see that they
could probably collaborate and you know with Bigelow

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with his inflatable units. You know, it just seems like it would seem

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like instead of I know, how
they have to do a government contract.

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You know, it's all about bids
and all that, but it just seems

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like, you know, Bigelow has
that great idea with the inflatable m H

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and you know, it seems like
it could kind of work with other ideas

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as well, so that would be
kind of interesting. You him, the

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first space station around the Moon is
built by an alien hunter essentially, that's

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right, UFO alien Hunter. Okay, so you asked me who my guest

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was. It is Ryan Sprague.
And you know what's interesting is that this

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is one of those rare times where
I haven't done the interview yet. Usually

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by the time we talk like this
on Monday morning before I you know,

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get there or Monday afternoon getting the
show ready for kg R for tonight,

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I usually have interviewed the guest,
but I haven't because Ryan's had a lot

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of stuff going on. And I'm
going to interview him later, but we

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plan on talking about I want to
talk about some topics and try to get

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out of him what he feels is
uh, you know important right now to

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this topic. You know, he's
a younger guy, and he does a

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lot of stuff in this field,
so I love getting people's perspectives. Uh.

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And and I haven't talked to him
in a while, and no doubt,

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you know, quite a bit of
our conversation or some of our conversation

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will be about to this stars and
this Adam Project, because I know he

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just did a show recently on the
Adam Project. So I want to kind

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of get the pulse of how he
and some of the people he's talked to

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phil about you know, all of
this. Yeah. Yeah, Ryan's a

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good guy. He's now he's out
in La the LA area. Yeah.

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Yeah, he's out in LA which
I'm happy for him because I love that,

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you know, the beaches in that
area. So yeah, we can

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kind of ask how that's going too. Yeah. Better than New York winters,

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that's for sure. Ooh, Chilli
Chilli, I couldn't take that,

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right. No, Well, speaking
of which, oh too bad you won't

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be there. But in about three
weeks, our good buddy Lee Spiegel,

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who lives in the New York area, is going to be at the Devil's

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Tower UFO of them UFO Rendezvous.
I'll be there, David Marler will be

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there, Mark D'Antonio, Chris O'Brien, Richard Beck with my lovely girlfriend Karen

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actually will be doing a debut,
her first talk ever. She's going to

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be talking about mass UFO cases like
abductions and where there's several people are alleged,

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so that's going to be really interesting. So yeah, so that'll be

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a lot of fun. So if
anybody is free, and then you know,

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it's September thirteenth through the fifteenth.
It's freaking beautiful out there, and

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the mountain is amazing of course.
Mm so that's where, yeah, that's

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where the close and kinds of the
third kind ended. It's the show right

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there, right right, and that's
what that was about. M m.

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Yeah, And did you did something
last year on that, right? Yeah?

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I was there last year as well, and it was a lot of

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fun, gorgeous out there, and
yeah, so he's doing the people who

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ran it last time are doing it
again and it's going to be a lot

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of fun. So just google Devil's
toewur ufo rendezvous. If you can't spell

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rendezvous, I don't blame you because
the last half of the word is weird

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uf you put Yeah, boots,
if you just put it's almost like a

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Russian word. But if you just
put ufo Devil's towry, you'll you'll run

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across it. Yeah, all right, do you want me to go with

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h the news? Yeah, let's
do it. Let's do it. Okay.

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So this this was on the you
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this a little bit. You mentioned
as we were chit chatting ahead of the

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show that it's hard to find you
know, things about UFOs right now on

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Google, and I did have quite
a time searching. I have no idea

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what that's about. But you mentioned
that you were contacted by someone and they

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mentioned the same thing, right,
Yeah, I it was. I hadn't

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really looked for any news this morning, but first thing, I got to

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my desk and Jason McClellan had sent
me a message. He's like, hey

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man, you know, he's like
it looks like Google did something. You

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can't search in the news function for
UFO store. So I tried it,

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and sure enough, he's right.
It seems like maybe they shut it down

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a few days ago. And because
if you try to do it, you

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only get like, for instance,
I looked for the last week and it

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showed me only you know, a
couple stories from days ago. So I

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don't know what the heck's going on. It's definitely a government thing. It's

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going to be much more difficult to
figure out what the heck you know,

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get stories if this is the case. Well, I stumbled on this story.

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This came on a couple of days
ago, and I found it on

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the Fox News website, so and
I wanted to bring it up. I

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think we talked about it before,
but it's recently back in the news.

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And the title to this is Florida
candidate says alien abduction does not define her.

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So I believe we did speak about
this, And so this is a

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US House candidate Bettina Rodriguez Aguilera.
She has it right here. It says,

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you know, she has a long
list of accomplishment accomplishments to bolster her

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campaign in Florida, but She is
perhaps best known for claiming that she was

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abducted by space aliens as a child. Why don't they they always add the

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word space when it comes to aliens. But I understand Rodriguez Aguilera is a

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long shot in the race for the
Miami area seat being vacated by retiring Republican

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Elena Ross. I can't letian kind
of hard word to say there. Yeah,

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last weekend, the Miami Harold endorsed
her for the GOP nomination in Tuesday

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primary, out of a field of
nine candidates. So in an interview,

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she said that she's grateful for the
endorsement and that her tale of kidnapping by

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aliens did not define her. Now, the reason I wanted to bring this

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story up is because I saw a
news clip on it, and you know,

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there was definitely a lot of ridicule. I understand it is. I

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do understand the reaction to that.
It is it is a hard pill to

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swallow. You know, a lot
of abduction cases are hard. You know,

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I'm kind of on the fence about
but it just goes to show that

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there's still you know, there's gonna
be a lot of ridicule factor in this.

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You know, in this topic,
there are so many people in the

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United States alone that are saying,
you know, something like this is going

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on with them, and they're very
careful not to talk about it in a

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public setting like this woman did.
And obviously it was definitely a mistake for

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her career. And I'm sure that
you know, her career is very limited

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just because of this one story,
no matter of the good things that she

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may have done. Yeah, you
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I agree in that, you know, there are a lot of I

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know, I really understand how it's
fringe and it's strange and how can people

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say they've been abducted by aliens when
you know, and they can't prove it.

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How do they know this? And
I get that, but you know,

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and maybe it's because I've been exposed
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average person. And you know,
not only that in the arenas that we

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hang out in at these conferences and
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that they believe this to be the
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I wouldn't doubt this, and I
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In most offices around the United States, there may there I wouldn't doubt if

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there's maybe one or two people who
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know because they're not going to tell
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abducted. There are so many people
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And I've met so many professionals and
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positions that are very high in government
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very capable at their jobs, who
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them. So unfortunately, she had
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and it's hard to even say unfortunately
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sharing this because people can identify with
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have this huge negative effect on her. And it's too bad because of course,

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the first story that anytime she runs
for something that runs is, you

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know, she was an abductee,
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albatross around her neck for you know, for her entire political career, should

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she continue to stay in politics.
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she's been in touch with aliens telepathically
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she stayed that, and she says, she's not, you know, she's

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she's sticking to her guns. She
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you know, I'm just gonna stick
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that's not unusual either, when you
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possible abductions there, the telepathy thing. I don't know about keeping in touch

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with him. I haven't really heard
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Yeah, she's she's got up.
She's got some tough rowing in front

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of her, for sure, you
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a while since I've brought it up, so might as well. And we

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were talking to Jason about Jason earlier, and it's because of him that I

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can say this gentleman's name. But
kirsan iliam Zenov. Wow, Jason.

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I know, when we first started
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say his name, and Jason practiced
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kept repeating it and then helped me
and then I was able to get the

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name. And now I love saying
it because I can. But this gentleman,

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kirsen Il Jamsanov was a friend of
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He was president of this country called
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is a Buddhist country. Interesting enough, kind of city state type of place,

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or not a city, but a
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of in the Middle East area,
but very interesting that it's a Russian state

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that is Buddhist. But he believed
he was abducted. He was not afraid

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to share his experiences. His political
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but it really did not hurt his
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about sharing it. Yeah, and
he runs the chess Federation. That's right.

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He's a chess champion, right,
Yes, Well, I don't know

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if he's much of a chess player
himself, but thought he was. I

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thought that's one of the things that
was in the story. Well he plays

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it, I know, but I
couldn't remember if he's been a champion.

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who I forget his name right now, he had been challenging Kirsan for the

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head of the Chinese or the chess
federation and has lost, and he gets

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upset because Putin has backed his friend
and he feels Putin has you know,

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rigged things in Kiirsan's favor. So
yeah, but this is one politician whose

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reputation or at least job, was
not affected or his relationship with Putin was

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not affected by his coming out about
his alleged alien abduction. And you know,

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one more thing, I got to
say something controversial. You're ready for?

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Oh good, yeah, let's see
if what you'll think about this.

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But for me as someone who is
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this is because some people may be
thinking, oh, she believes she's not

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an aliens, what the heck?
But to me, you know, I'm

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not a religious person. And religious
people who are religious, and you know,

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even if you are religious people who
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beliefs of their religion that is separate
from yours. There's some pretty you know,

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pretty weird stuff the Mormon church that
the guy who runs a church just

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came out and said, God told
me, don't call us Mormons anymore,

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and don't call us lds. You
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whole thing. And I don't even
remember what the whole thing is. I

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better learn it because I want to
respect them and everything. And you know,

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some of our good friends are Mormons. Are Ben Hansen one of my

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best friends, he's a So you
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but they belie believe that, you
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You know, they can't be called
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and every religion is like that,
where they believe, you know,

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some pretty out there kind of ideas
and when you take a step back and

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you say, wow, I guess
the stuff we talked about at church can

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seem strange to someone who's not familiar
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goes for abduction people there. They're
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know, if you're going to afford
respect to others with their kind of different

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beliefs, I think it's fair,
you know, to respect the beliefs of

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everybody. So instead of calling them
Mormon, I mean, you can't call

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them the Church of the what is
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something like that. I mean,
I think you're supposed to call them Latter

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day Saints. Oh how about that? Yeah, we'll probably hear more and

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more of that as time goes on. If you know, they keep pushing

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it. But this is fairly new
and yeah they uh it's yeah, so

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well mm hmm, yeah, so
they have this revelation to change it.

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Uh, something came down from wasn't. Oh no, I don't want to

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get into this because I might be
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beliefs, No, I'm not.
I'm not. Yeah, I just yeah,

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we won't go there except for it
to say that, of course.

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making, though, is you don't even

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feel comfortable talking about because you don't
want to make fun of it. But

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it's stuff that could sound pretty strange
to some people. And so everybody has

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some pretty strange beliefs and you know, it's it's their right to do so.

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So if we're going to respect people
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beliefs, I think we should respect
people with uh, you know, who

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believe that they've been abducted or have
communications with aliens. Because the the hard

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part is who knows if who's right
to be honest. I mean, maybe

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the guy the head of the Latter
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these people are talking to aliens.
Maybe you know, these other people have

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visions of Mary. Maybe they are
really having these I mean, I don't,

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I can't say for sure, so
but either way, they're not espousing

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these beliefs to hurt anybody, so
right, Yeah, and that's you know,

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the saying goles, whatever floats your
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know is there thing like, And
you made up a very good point.

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Just now, as long as they're
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I have. We've got to go. Thank you Martin of course of Podcasts

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for joining us with the news.
You bet always a pleasure, And let's

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go ahead and get to our interview
with Ryan Sprague right after this break.

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I am very happy to welcome back
to the show. Ryan Sprague, Hello,

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Alejandra, Thanks for having me back. Man, it's been a while.

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You know what it's really funny is
I could swear that we had talked

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after you had spoken at the International
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I looked at the shows and it's
been a couple of years. It

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has I think it was right around
when I first found out I was going

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to be speaking, and yeah,
you had me on just sort of,

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you know, talk about what I've
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that was great. It was great
to sort of tease what I was bringing

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to the table. You know,
I'm one of those people in the field

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that always says, if you don't
have something to contribute, like, what's

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the point of saying it? So
at that time I had something to say,

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and I sure exited. So and
you did a great job. I

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loved it. Everybody loved the lecture, so as expected, you were a

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great addition to the to the event
that year. Well, thank you.

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And it was also my first time
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thank you for that opportunity. Since
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events that you and I met at
recent and other ones as well. I

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know it's all because of you,
buddy, So thank you. So we'll

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talk about that in just a second. But with the Congress, one more

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thing I wanted to mention, which
was interesting too, is I knew you

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would have great content, but I
didn't know if maybe you know, you

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get nervous presenting or anything. But
if you were nervous, it didn't show

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at all. You did a great
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a pro. You know, you
knew what you're doing up there, you

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know, I mean I did go
to school for theater, so I think

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I definitely had that on my side. You know, I've been trained as

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an actor public speaking, but I'll
tell you this man, being at your

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congress and speaking in front of UFO
people whole different beast. Yeah, I

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was more nervous at your event than
I ever was in any play I've ever

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done. Wow. Funny, But
I will say your audience, they're so

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receptive and so respectful, and the
minute I started, I knew they were

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on my side, and it's such
a welcoming place to be. So no,

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I again, I was very grateful
for the opportunity, and it's only

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grown from there in terms of my
own research and getting what I have to

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contribute to the field out there.
So yeah, yeah, memories, my

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friend, memories. So you brought
up that we had seen each other again

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recently at another place where you had
done a talk, and that was passad

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enough for the Alien con which is
not necessarily ancient aliens, but they do

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have a partnership. It's advertised an
ancient alien and and and so it's kind

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of the ancient alien event and it's
awesome that you got to talk. But

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whoa were you blown? Away by
the crowd. It was unbelievable. Man.

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I got there I think eight am, you know, when they asked

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you to come really early, sign
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have to do. And I had
no idea what to expect. Now,

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I had I'd heard things about their
first event and that it was cool,

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and you know it was. It
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and I didn't know what to really
expect. But I met with one

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of your speakers this past year,
Dean Alioto. We shared a table in

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the vendor room at this event,
and the minute I got there and I

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saw him and saw you, we
all sort of looked at each other like

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what is this? Yeah, we
looked at each other from across the room

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with the sea of people. It
was insane. I you know, I

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guess now looking at it, I
understand how I guess. No, I

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guess I would say I didn't understand
how popular Ancient Aliens really was. But

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then you get there and you see
people with Giorgio Suclos wigs and T shirts

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and you know, ancient Aliens everywhere, and that's when it really hit me

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how how big the alien you know, iconic gray head or green head or

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what have you really is in pop
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event really was in. I don't
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did you make of the entire thing? No, you're right, I mean

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because we have, of course,
one of our T shirt designs are newer

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ones. By the way, I
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keep meaning too, and I'm going
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I was just thinking that that this
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like, I need to go buy
one of those T shirts. But we

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had a bunch of alien T shirts
because we have a cool alien design that

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our artists came up with for this
last conference that we love and people love.

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Got it on all kinds of different
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Karen is that she knows what women
like. So we had women T shirts,

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but we also got an alien hat
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crazy. You're right, people love
that symbol. And what freaks me out

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about it is that it's an awesome
symbol. It's fun, it represents aliens

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and everything. But if if there
are aliens out there that look like that,

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alfagain, weird? Is it that
these Earth flags are over here just

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you know, marketing the heck out
of their image commercialism at it's fun instead

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well you know, I mean speaking
of commercialism, that's kind of what I

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took from this event. Well,
while I think, you know, there

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was a lot of good conversation,
some amazing panels. You know, Moufon

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had a really good panel that I
happened to catch early on in the event.

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But this wasn't about UFOs per se. And I think that's sort of

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the misconception of what Alien Kanye is. It's right there in the name Alien

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con These people are here because they
love aliens. They it's a place where

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they can feel that they can be
proud and represent that kind of like we

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do with the UFO topic, and
you know, meet other like minded people.

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So I was meeting so many people
who'd never heard of Heinek, who'd

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never heard of Project Blue Book Night, which was really interesting. It was

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like re teaching to an entirely new
class and that was exciting. You and

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I. We experienced that on a
couple panels as well. From what I

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can remember, Yes, I when
we were on a panel, I you

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know, and I don't know if
you remember this, that we were asking

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the crowd questions. But the one
that shocked me the most was when I

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asked if they had heard of that
December story in the New York Times about

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the UFOs, and there were like
two or three hands. And this was

409
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.599
a crowded room. There was probably
what at least one hundred, two hundred,

410
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:02.200
probably more than that people that real
and only a few people raise their

411
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.359
hands, and it was it was
twofold. It was one kind of a

412
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:07.559
letdown. It's like, why aren't
you people looking at this stuff? How

413
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.319
could you have missed it? But
it was also exciting because it's like,

414
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.160
all right, cool, we get
to tell them about it exactly. Yeah,

415
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.279
And again it was another moment where
you, Diene and I looked at

416
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:22.680
each other like here we go.
What we thought was old news in the

417
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.079
UFO community was brand new to people. And I think that's it's kind of

418
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.759
where we lay right now with that
whole topic to the Stars and the Pentagon

419
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.839
program, like it's we kind of
knew about this stuff, but to the

420
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:39.200
mainstream it's it's a bombshell. Yeah, maybe a quick fizzle, you know,

421
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.000
as as these things often do,
but a bombshell none the left so

422
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.799
many people came up to me after
learning about that Pentagon program like is this

423
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.440
real what the government studied UFOs.
I'm like, well, yeah, and

424
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.799
they actually did it a lot earlier
than the secret Pentagon program as well.

425
00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.319
Right, it's interesting the perspective in
which you look at this thing. It

426
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.079
is vastly different between the mainstream and
what we consider the quote unquote UFO community.

427
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.640
So find that very fascinating. And
I don't think any of it's bad

428
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.279
personally. I mean, it's just
you know, a lot of people get

429
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.119
mad about marketing with UFOs and paying
for stuff or whatever, but that's what

430
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.880
creates an industry, and that's what
creates interest, and that's what gets the

431
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.720
word out there to the masses.
Yes, yes, money, you know

432
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:29.680
runs a lot of things in our
lives, but it also it's also an

433
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.920
opportunity for us to not to capitalize, I guess, but to like you

434
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.039
said, to get the word out. And sometimes if you want the truth,

435
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:42.000
you're gonna have to pay for it. And I think that's that's kind

436
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.640
of how it is to the stars
as well. You know, you want

437
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.920
to be a part of this invest
let's invest in the future and the truth

438
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.880
that we're seeking. So that's kind
of how I look at it. Yeah,

439
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.519
yeah, And I mean, as
you're someone who is in this industry

440
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:02.079
to make a living. I mean
to which and so am I And I

441
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.519
don't mind. I mean when I
put my product out there for free,

442
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.000
it's because I want people to take
advantage of it. So people can't afford

443
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:17.440
to buy a T shirt. If
people can't afford to participate and give money

444
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:23.000
for it, I don't mind whatsoever, as long as they're participating and getting

445
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.559
the information. Yes, I am
exactly the same way. I work under

446
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.400
the same sort of formula. You
know, all my content, whether it's

447
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.440
a podcast or articles I write,
everything's free. Like I'm not going to

448
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.679
charge someone for something like that.
I want people to get interested to learn.

449
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.360
If you want extra content, that's
where I ask help me out,

450
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.960
help me out so that I can
go out and do that investigation or you

451
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.599
know, go to Detroit, Michigan
and interview a woman and her daughter about

452
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.400
having seen a triangular UFO over their
house. Like I want to look these

453
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.320
people in the face. But I
can take off two weeks from my day

454
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.320
job because we all have day jobs
to go do that without help so yeah,

455
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.039
again, you know we're not We're
not pulling the wool over people's eyes

456
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.119
and asking them to give us money
for no reason. We're saying, look,

457
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.400
here's our information about UFOs. You
can go find your own too if

458
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.400
you'd like. But if you want
to help us, do it. If

459
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:25.559
you don't, that's fine, here's
a podcast for free. So we brought

460
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.519
up the Heinek T shirt and I
want to ask you because you made that

461
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:36.599
design and started selling those T shirts
before the announcement of the Project Bluebook television

462
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:42.599
show, and it's probably going to
hopefully help your sales. But Heinik is

463
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:46.320
a little bit obscure, And so
why is it you decided to choose,

464
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:51.840
you know, that imagery as something
that you know you're really putting forth.

465
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.960
So that image, if you go
to the store and look at it,

466
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.079
it's it's very very hip, very
trendy, very hips ish. And that's

467
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.800
kind of how I always perceived Heinich, you know from day one what he

468
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.239
got. You know, when he
started working with Project blue Book, he

469
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:14.039
was kind of the rebel of the
group. They wanted him to debunk all

470
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.079
of these cases find prosaic and conventional
explanations for him, and he just couldn't

471
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.599
do it, to the point where
he was frustrated when they would tell him

472
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.480
what to tell the public. And
that really invigorated me. Elehundra. I

473
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:34.039
remember reading Mark O'Connell's recent biography about
Heinech, and that's when I really learned

474
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.599
a lot about the man, and
you know, kind of the pushback he

475
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.719
got while he was with these programs, and how he constantly, constantly battled

476
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.960
back for legitimacy, both for the
UFO topic and for what was sort of

477
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:54.119
becoming the UFO community or UFO research
community. And you know, the image

478
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.599
I always sort of remember is when
he was traveling with a couple other investigators

479
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.559
to go I believe it was to
the Sikoro case, to go investigate it.

480
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.039
As right after it happened, their
car breaks down, and what do

481
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.039
they do. They just wait there
until, you know, hopefully another government

482
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.000
issued vehicle comes to pick them up. No, Heinich gets out and he

483
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.639
he you know, puts his thumb
in the air and he tries to hadgehike

484
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.880
all the way to Sikoro to see
what was going on. I mean,

485
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.679
that's the dedication this guy had you
know, he wasn't going to just go

486
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.440
along with it. He was going
to do his own thing, carve his

487
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.599
own path, and come up with
his own conclusions, which eventually led to

488
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:42.239
QFOS, his own UFO research organization. So I love Heinech. He really

489
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.880
has become what some of us younger
people in the field are calling our UFO

490
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:51.519
Dad, like he really was there
to nurture us and show us, show

491
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.199
us the way. And I think
that's very important is to take the work

492
00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.280
of the Heinecks and you know,
the Freedman's and the Robins and all these

493
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.519
quote unquote old guard and build off
of their work, not to ever ignore

494
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:07.599
it forget it, but to build
off of it. And Heinek was definitely

495
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.679
that for me. So I thought
he deserved his own T shirt for sure,

496
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.679
and clearly many other people agreed yes, And I totally agree because I've

497
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.280
I've always almost every lecture I do, I figure out how to talk about

498
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.360
Heinek because I don't want people to
forget and I want them to know that

499
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.519
this astronomer who was hired to debunk
UFOs and happily did so. At the

500
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.000
beginning, was like, WHOA,
wow, there's something to this and really

501
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.760
became you know, the dad or
the grandfather of modern upology. He started

502
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.880
it, you know, way back
when exactly you know, and again there's

503
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.079
resistance when things first begin, but
he did it, and he went along

504
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.679
with it until his dying day.
So I have nothing but respect for him

505
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.119
and many of the other people like
him. You know, I'm reading the

506
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.760
book about James McDonald right now,
which is amazing. You know, these

507
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.880
people who are willing to look outside
the box, challenge the scientific community and

508
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.760
try to find other explanations. It's
fascinating and I love it. I love

509
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.039
learning about what came before all of
us in this field. Oh that's really

510
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.760
cool. Yeah, and it's funny. I just thought of talking about that.

511
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:30.239
So some other things to talk about
when it comes to this field is

512
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:37.360
you know, you and I have
both been focusing on the Adam project,

513
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.719
and I know I've seen some social
media because I know you interviewed Jason McClelland,

514
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.960
of course, who used to work
with Open Minds, and I've seen

515
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.360
you know, he seems to be
a real advocate, which isn't too much

516
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:52.360
of a surprise because he knows Tom
DeLong as well, and I think people

517
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.840
assume, you know, that I'm
just going to go along with, you

518
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:01.239
know, what they're doing because of
my associations with them. But you know,

519
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.159
I hope people see in my writing
I do question, you know,

520
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.920
I don't go along with everything they
do. I do question some of what

521
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.000
they're up to it, and so
I hope you know, I'm giving honest

522
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:20.480
answers. But there is kind of
this negative stigma about you know, oh,

523
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.840
these guys are going to collect materials, how can we trust them?

524
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.880
And all this other negativity. So, and what I'm setting up is whatever

525
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:32.559
your response, it's safe here,
whether you're skeptical or otherwise. But how

526
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.039
do you feel about, you know, what to the Stars is doing,

527
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:43.320
including kind of this new Atom project? Yeah, I mean the Atom project

528
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.599
to me is sort of the first
time that I looked at this group and

529
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.480
said, wow, okay, so
they're actually they're doing this. They're going

530
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.159
full steam ahead and they are going
to look at physical evidence. You know,

531
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.639
this is no longer video footage or
some photos that were declassified at one

532
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.880
point. This is actually them boots
on the ground going out recovering objects that

533
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:13.679
are said to possibly be otherworldly or
non terrestrial and investigate it, like put

534
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:19.440
their own money and put that investment
money to good use. So in terms

535
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.840
of to the Stars in general,
I was hesitant at first. I think

536
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.000
everyone was like, what, Like, what is what's going on here?

537
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:31.159
Why is the former frontman of a
pop punk man doing this? But like

538
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.719
you and I know, and Jason
knows, he's been interested in this Tom

539
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.519
DeLong for a while. You know, even on the road touring with Blink

540
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.840
twin eighty two, he was reading
the Valet books and you know, the

541
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.719
Freedman books everything, and you guys
even interviewed it at one point. So

542
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.920
I knew that the guy definitely knew
what he was talking about. But to

543
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.079
what extent, in what motive there
was behind to the Stars, I wasn't

544
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:59.280
quite sure. I will tell you
after those first two videos was I was

545
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:04.360
more interest, And now that Adam
is started, I'm in Alejandra. I

546
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.079
will be the first to say,
now, I know you had mister Cogswell

547
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:13.000
on recently who talked a lot about
the science behind this, And while I

548
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.960
agree with pretty much everything Chris has
said, I do have more optimism when

549
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:23.280
it comes to what they're doing with
this research project. Do they have the

550
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:29.000
materials yet that I think could be
that anomalous. I can't tell you,

551
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:35.239
but I think it's very exciting.
I think it's controversial. You know,

552
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.679
put Off is at the head of
EarthTech, which is he's what the vice

553
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:45.280
president of to the Stars. If
I'm not correct, that's a good question.

554
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.039
I'll look that up real quick while
we're talking. Yeah, he's definitely

555
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.719
up there, you know, in
terms of with the company. Let me

556
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.119
see, I think I have it
here, vice president of science and technology.

557
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.960
There we go. So, I
mean a lot of people are skept

558
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.800
because Adam is earth Tech and to
the Stars is also earth Tech, so

559
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.000
they're working with themselves. A lot
of people had issue with that, like,

560
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.639
oh wow, they're announcing that they're
working with their own members. Cool.

561
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:19.800
But I think what maybe wasn't brought
up as much with Cogswell and maybe

562
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.960
some of the other people who are
skeptical about this is the fact that hell

563
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:29.000
put Off is he's also separate from
it as well. Whatever EarthTech comes up

564
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:34.159
with is going to be completely separate
from the opinions of Tom DeLong or to

565
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.679
the Stars in general. This is
a separate entity. They are hired to

566
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:43.519
do a job, and it's a
straight contract to look at these materials and

567
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.760
figure out what they are and possibly
where they come from. Now, again,

568
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.400
because it's connected to the Stars,
I understand why there's a lot of

569
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:59.760
hesitancy to support that. But at
the same time, put Off spoke to

570
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.880
i'm Jabiniis who I had recently on
my show and told him, look,

571
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.800
I'm not here to say anything's alien
or anything. We were hired to look

572
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.719
at these materials and that's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna come with our

573
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.320
results, we're going to get them
peer reviewed, and we're going to bring

574
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.559
that to the public. So that's
kind of where I stand on it.

575
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:22.920
I'm I'm all in. I look
forward to what they are doing in general,

576
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.440
but at the end of the day, they're looking for answers their way,

577
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:30.960
and we're going to continue to look
for answers our way, And I

578
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.800
think that's kind of how people have
to look at it. Instead of calling

579
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.239
people dumb or stupid for following to
the stars and that you know, they're

580
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.280
they're ringing us all for every penny. It's not true. It's it's safely

581
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.639
not true. I haven't put a
penny into this thing, and I'm getting

582
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.920
a lot of knowledge out of it
of things I never knew about. So

583
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.440
that's kind of how I look at
it. You make a really great point

584
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.840
there at the end. I also
have not put a penny into it,

585
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.840
But are you kidding that what we're
gaining is huge? I mean, the

586
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:07.239
legitimization of what we do of this
entire field. Really, I've seen it

587
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.599
in the background somewhat. But for
instance, when I met Scott Kelly recently

588
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.280
and I got to do an interview
with him, and I had told the

589
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:21.000
PR people I was working with that
I'm gonna ask him about UFOs, and

590
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:25.679
their reaction was very, very positive. They were like, cool, that's

591
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:29.280
gonna be a great question. And
I was taken aback, you know,

592
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.920
I was like, wow, great. But still there's one thing to have

593
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:38.039
the PR guys say it's okay or
ladies, but to have Scott. But

594
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.960
I felt less nervous. And my
friend and a writer with Forbes, she

595
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.119
was very supportive as well, even
though a little nervous because you know,

596
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:51.239
in media, we know it's fairly
taboo this type of stuff, but it's

597
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.800
kind of legitimized as to be okay. And when I asked him, even

598
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.840
though and I of course prefaced it
with the Pentagon and their price, even

599
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.679
though he was a little bit you
could tell it was a little bit of

600
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.000
a weird topic to him, he
understood it was a legitimate question and he

601
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.119
answered it as such. And that
is a completely different world than we used

602
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.000
to be in. And it's due
to at least well, it's due to

603
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:22.360
two the Stars getting Elizondo to participate
and in him sharing his experience in the

604
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:29.119
Pentagon. I couldn't agree more the
legitimization of this topic within the last year.

605
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.239
It has changed the field drastically.
Whether people want to admit that or

606
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.519
not, and whether they support to
the Stars or not, it has left

607
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:44.320
an imprint on this field, and
I think it's great. Again. I

608
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:49.119
haven't put a penny into it,
and that doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

609
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.039
And I don't want people to think
I'm bashing Cogswell, who is a

610
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.519
scientist and knows heleck I give a
lot more than I do about metamaterials.

611
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.719
But when it comes to other people
in the FILD to say, well,

612
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.840
they were involved with Bigelow and they
were involved with these other projects, that

613
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.559
never yielded any results. That's okay
with me. Like, at the end

614
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:12.760
of the day, of course,
they're going to give it another try,

615
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.840
because these people are passionate about the
topic and they're passionate to see what it

616
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.800
could bring to you know, the
technological world, to the philosophical world,

617
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.639
everything. Look at the group of
people they have involved. They're so multifaceted

618
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.400
that they all probably have their own
reasons for having done this project. And

619
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.039
that's exciting because at the end of
the day, you and I are doing

620
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.119
the same thing. We're in this
field for very personal reasons to find our

621
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.199
own truth. And I think that's
what Tom DeLong is doing, and I

622
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.159
think that's what each individual involved with
this is doing. They're not out to

623
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.679
scam us and make money and you
know, run off with the circus at

624
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.280
the end of the day and leave
us all poor and begging. It's people

625
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:58.880
who are like who are passionate about
this topic and just want to get some

626
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.280
sort of answer before they leave desert. In my opinion, now we're about

627
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.639
out of time to go into the
first break already. But uh, you

628
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.199
know, to add to that,
with all of these rumors and everything going

629
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.599
on, which is frustrating when it
comes to rumors, because I wish people

630
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.960
would seek the facts, and the
facts are Tom DeLong has a lot,

631
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:24.400
a lot, a lot of money
and he doesn't need your money. It's

632
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:29.440
not a scam for him to get
money. But it's a it's a it's

633
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.760
a you know, it's a it's
the company that needs the money to do

634
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:40.199
the research. And one of the
reasons I haven't donated is because it's a

635
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.360
journalist and you and I shouldn't really
to remain biased so that we're not,

636
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.480
you know, over here trying to
help out a corporation that we've got an

637
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.960
investment in, and that's the important
reason that we shouldn't be involved. But

638
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:58.679
I want to talk about when we
get back this whole idea about Big Lo

639
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.639
not producing anything, especially when it
comes to one of the great things they

640
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.960
did produce, which was the Skinwalker
Ranch investigation. So we'll talk about that

641
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.880
after the break. You're listening to
Open Mind UFL Radio with Alejandro Rojas.

642
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.519
I've got Ryan Sprague on and we
will be back after the short break to

643
00:49:17.599 --> 00:50:07.440
talk more about the state of uphology. Be right back. Welcome back to

644
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:12.440
Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your
host, Alejandro Rojas, and we are

645
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.320
here with Ryan Sprague. Hello,
mister Sprague. Hello, it's good to

646
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:20.960
be back. So, you know, there is kind of this concept and

647
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:27.039
you had mentioned it that to the
Stars, you know, EarthTech, Bigelow,

648
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.559
they are all together there. It's
a mix. It's almost like to

649
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.480
the Stars is an evolution of the
Bigelow projects and research, because it's mostly

650
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:40.920
the same people and this idea.
Oh, they haven't even produced anything.

651
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.760
Well, they did produce a bunch
of papers. But besides that, one

652
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.199
of the things they produced, which
I think is really important and I think

653
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:55.320
it has been impactful to the world, is the Skinwalker Ranch investigation. Yes,

654
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.119
I know this sort of came to
light, at least to some of

655
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.679
us who weren't privy to this,
through Jeremy Corbell's work and the work of

656
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:09.880
George Knapp that Bass. You know, Bigelow's project was a part of this

657
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.719
Pentagon program at one time as well, which just blew my mind. You

658
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.280
know, here we thought they were
looking at military footage of UFOs, and

659
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.360
in the meantime they're also looking at
all these things that happened on the ranch,

660
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.239
which just astounded me, Like this
was no longer just about UFOs and

661
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.599
the sky. It was about anomalous
and paranormal things happening back here on the

662
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:37.639
ground as well. So it's interesting
this is to the Stars. I think

663
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.719
we've sort of termed big low two
point zero and some respects. Yeah.

664
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.920
Well, one thing you know that
I also find interesting about all this,

665
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:52.360
and you can speak to this as
well, is I had talked about kind

666
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.880
of how the mainstreams adoption of all
this and how positive it's been, and

667
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:05.400
it's really weird to be in this
position where to the stars Eleisondo, you

668
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.760
know who worked with Harry Reid,
who got the funding and everything. The

669
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:14.639
media has really responded very positively and
all across the board, bipartisan, Fox

670
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:21.519
News, Tucker Carlson loves this stuff, and you know these CNN has done

671
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.800
so much. So it's all over
the place and people have opened up.

672
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:30.719
But a lot of people in the
UFO community and maybe it's, like Stanton

673
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:37.360
says, a negative noisy negativists,
there's this outcry of frustration and anger,

674
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:45.920
and I don't get it. I
struggle with this one alle hundred because I

675
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:51.119
see both sides of it. One
part of me is I'm excited about to

676
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:57.039
the Stars and everything they're doing,
the Pentagon program coming forward, these things

677
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.119
are very exciting to me and I
love it. And on the other and

678
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.920
I do see the UFO community being
the biggest naysayers to all this, and

679
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.880
like Friedman says too, sometimes we're
our greatest enemies. And where I see

680
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:15.519
that pushback really is. I think
what it really is is people are looking

681
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:21.800
at DeLong now as the face of
eufology, and I think that's what people

682
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.199
were scared of when he first came
forward with all this is uh oh,

683
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:30.079
everything we've done, our research,
it's all going to be overshadowed by To

684
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.199
the Stars. And maybe maybe that's
the case, but I haven't seen that

685
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:39.320
happen yet. And I think personally, the more journalists, the more scientists

686
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.320
that give To the Stars a chance, the more we can all be a

687
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:49.719
part of something like that, the
grander scheme of To the Stars. Not

688
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:54.599
investors, not members of the community
or the board, but just curious people

689
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.000
in the UFO field who want to
be involved with something on that at that

690
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:04.440
level. And I'm seeing it more
as people are afraid that everything they've done,

691
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.199
all the research that they've done is
going to be overshadowed by this one

692
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:14.559
thing. But you are doing your
thing. I'm out interviewing individuals, getting

693
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.639
their witness testimony and bringing those forward. That's what I do. That's what

694
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.840
I do in the field. That's
my contribution, what I like to do,

695
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.360
what I love to do. I
don't want to dig for months and

696
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.159
years looking for, you know,
one buzzword in a document that was declassified

697
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.800
twenty years ago, and that's just
not me, man, That's not what

698
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.480
I do. I don't have the
tenacity to do something like that, or

699
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:44.079
the diligence to be honest. I
like to interview witnesses and hear they're very

700
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.440
human stories, and that's my contribution
to it. So that's kind of how

701
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.480
I look at it. You know, if you're so vehemently against this project,

702
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.519
don't follow them, don't contribute to
them, but don't add to that

703
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.679
negative view. When all of the
mainstream wants to do right now is take

704
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:06.920
this topic seriously. We should be
thankful. In my opinion, we really

705
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.599
should be thankful for this. We
live in an age now and I think

706
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.800
UFOs are It's a paradigm shift within
the community and outside the community. UFOs

707
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.679
are hot right now, and we
have to keep that in mind and grab

708
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.320
onto that instead of pushing it away. You know what's really funny too,

709
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:28.119
is that a lot of the like
you said, and I think it's an

710
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.079
access and involvement that maybe the UFO
community doesn't feel involved, but they can

711
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:37.719
be and doing what they already do
because I've, for instance, when I've

712
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:44.840
been approached by media people or PR
people, they don't know the difference between

713
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.599
UFOs and aliens, so they're like, oh, wow, aliens are real.

714
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.880
You know, that's how they're taking
it. Even There was a Daily

715
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.639
Galaxy story not long ago, and
the gist of the beginning of the story

716
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:59.599
was now that the Pentagon has done
this UFO research to show that they there's

717
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:04.599
really something there. Maybe we are
being visited by aliens and this fact is

718
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.679
as not really freaking people out like
we always thought it would happen. And

719
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:13.079
then they went on to talk about
the Pentagon project, the credibility of the

720
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.880
great cases said he this is a
daily Galaxy. This is you know,

721
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.079
what astronomers pay attention to, and
really scientific type of stuff, and they're

722
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:28.119
taking it further than they should because
to the stars or Alessandro has not said

723
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.719
they found aliens or you know,
they know what who's flying in these UFOs

724
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:37.960
and stuff. But they've never once
used the word alien. But everybody else

725
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:43.760
is interpreting it that way and still
having a positive view, and so they're

726
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:47.480
much more positive about the whole idea
it is. It's exciting. I mean,

727
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.320
when you really think about it,
the possibility of life elsewhere in the

728
00:56:52.360 --> 00:57:00.639
galaxy or the universe is extremely exciting
and it can be scarybviously, yes,

729
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.039
But the more real I think it
becomes when we discover exoplanets or we start

730
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.920
reaching further further out into space and
finding these habitable zones, like that's making

731
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.840
it more of a reality. And
the more closer to reality it is,

732
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.440
the more we know and the less
we fear it, at least in my

733
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.360
opinion. M hmm, yeah,
I agree. But and and like you

734
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.920
said, I think people just need
to see how they can take advantage and

735
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:30.400
how which is true, whatever their
perspective is, is going to get more

736
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:36.239
attention as this whole field gets more
attention. But if you try to tear

737
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.440
this whole thing down, of course, looking for the truth is very very

738
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.559
important. So there are people who
feel they have evidence of some sort of

739
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.639
misinterpretation or misrepresentation, and if that
comes out to be true, then that's

740
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:52.519
the problem that should be exposed and
that should be looked at. But we

741
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:58.239
should certainly embrace the idea of people
more people being interested in what we're doing.

742
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.280
Yes, embrace it. But do
your homework too. I mean,

743
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.320
yeah, if to the star screws
up and they have, let's be honest,

744
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.559
they've had a few bumps along the
way, like point those out.

745
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:13.519
But don't you know, negate the
entire thing just because they forgot to blur

746
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.880
something out on a you know,
in a video where they a name was

747
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:22.639
left in. Here. Are those
important issues, yes, and they need

748
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.559
to be resolved and they need to
be acknowledged. But at the end of

749
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.639
the day, like we all kind
of just have to we have to look

750
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:35.000
at each other's work, check it, and then work together instead of just

751
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.480
tearing each other down. I know
it seems very you know, hippie,

752
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.880
dippy piece in love, but it's
true. It's true, it really is.

753
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.920
You know what's funny too, is
as this stuff has become more popular,

754
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:54.719
people don't really care that as much. You know that I know this

755
00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:01.039
person or that person like Elixander or
something like that. The person that they

756
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:07.559
get most excited about it is Georgio
getting back to Ancient Aliens. Is that,

757
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:12.360
you know, he's so iconic in
that really this whole field is partially

758
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.559
and I'm sure there's a lot of
UFO people upset about that too, that

759
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:22.400
he has kind of personified this field
a lot as well. It's it's tough

760
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.760
man. Again. I think when
we really look at it, we have

761
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:32.400
to look at the whole Ancient Aliens
thing as a pop cultural movement, because

762
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.079
that is what it has become.
You know, maybe in its first in

763
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:39.000
its infancy, it really was thought
provoking, and I'm not saying it's not

764
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:44.599
now in whatever season they're in.
I mean they're ambitious and their claims and

765
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:49.599
their theories, and I respect them
in some ways for that. I don't

766
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.840
want to down you know, downplay
them or talk badly about them. They're

767
00:59:52.880 --> 01:00:00.000
again, they're doing their own subtopic
within this huge world of UFOs and alien

768
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.719
that we all find ourselves fascinated by. So I mean, you know,

769
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.400
we we were in the same room
with Georgio or or you know, other

770
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:14.239
members of the show or David Dukovney
over here, like, these are celebrities,

771
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:19.719
they're part of pop culture. But
who do they gravitate towards when they're

772
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:22.760
eating their lunch or you know,
waiting in the green room. It's the

773
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.840
actual UFO researchers, because they basically
play us on television or you know,

774
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.840
in the movies and whatnot, and
they they're curious, They're interested in the

775
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:39.599
actual reality behind a lot of this. I talked to Mitch Pleggy played Skinner

776
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.079
on The X Files, had you
know, coffee with him the first morning

777
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:46.559
at the Alien Con and he he
asked me what I did. I told

778
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:50.840
him, I'm a UFO researcher.
I interview people. I go out and

779
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:52.880
investigate. He said, See,
that's cool. He's like, you know,

780
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.960
I just do this on TV,
but you guys are actually out there

781
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.519
doing this. He'said, that's so
so cool. So to have someone like

782
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:07.880
Agent Skinner tell me that someone I
grew up on watching on television and aspired

783
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.320
to be, it's like it comes
full circle. It really does. And

784
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.840
I think, again, we have
to grab that pop culture aspect and get

785
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:20.440
what we can out of that as
well. That is so cool. That

786
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:27.440
reminds me and I'm pretty sure you
took this picture right that has now become

787
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:35.280
famous of Giorgio Sukulos with David DUKEVNY. Yes, that was a moment I

788
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.000
will never forget being in that room
when that happened. Never, never in

789
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:43.840
my life did I think I would
see those two together, nonetheless taking a

790
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.559
photo together. So yeah, yeah, that was a moment that will be

791
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:52.440
etched into my memory now permanently since
it's all over the internet, But a

792
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.199
moment I'll never forget again. Alien
Con was so much fun. And if

793
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.840
you look at it that way,
like just having a good time, awesome.

794
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:04.239
If you're looking at it as a
straight up UFO event where everyone's serious,

795
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:08.079
you were going to be sorely disappointed, but did not take away from

796
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:12.199
it. Yeah, I was gonna
say, although a lot of those people

797
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.480
were you know, they were thirsty
for legitimate information. I mean they loved

798
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:20.400
what we had to share with them, so oh totally. Our panels were

799
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.440
packed and dude, I sold a
lot of books in the first like a

800
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:28.280
few hours of the event, and
again it was amazing. Yeah, we

801
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.280
decided to and it was kind of
last minute to make a bunch more t

802
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.440
shirts and then fill up a truck
and take it out there. Because we

803
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:38.840
heard how many people might be there. We sold everything. It was insane.

804
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:44.079
We were just so busy selling,
sell and selling. Yep. And

805
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:49.039
again, I don't want people to
sort of misconstrue what we're saying. It's

806
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.880
not like, oh, we're rich
and everything. We traveled to these events,

807
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:57.000
we pay for tables and stuff like
that, like these are things people

808
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.440
don't understand. We're just trying to
make our money out of money. And

809
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.719
you're right, these are consumers of
knowledge, you know why. They might

810
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.039
have been there to see if aliens
built the pyramids, don't get me started

811
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.760
on that. They're also there to
learn about the topic. And the fact

812
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.360
that they stopped and asked me about
my book and then bought it without having

813
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.480
any idea who I was or what
I was doing there was amazing and that

814
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.760
was all the validation I needed that
this topic is in good hands, both

815
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:30.079
on the consumer side and the producing
side of the informations. Oh look,

816
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.960
I want to ask a little bit
more about this picture too, because his

817
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.079
picture is probably going to be more
venomous than will ever be and go on

818
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.800
in history. Who knows it may
show up in history books or something because

819
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:45.239
it's just gotten so huge. But
so how did how did it come about?

820
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:50.079
Was it your phone that you used, or was it Georgio's or how

821
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:53.519
did that come about? It was
one of the talent coordinators in the room.

822
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:58.480
They actually left me with their phone
and they were like, if you

823
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.559
get a chance, could you see
if these like they were talking back and

824
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.280
forth with each other, like just
get a photo. So I like kind

825
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:08.239
of crept up and guys, can
I take a photo? And they,

826
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.920
you know, they sort of stopped
mid sentence and do Coveny was like,

827
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.559
what what should we do? And
that's what they came up with. So,

828
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:19.719
you know, while it's not on
my personal device, I can say

829
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:24.079
that the button was pushed by my
finger and I was in the room when

830
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:27.800
it happened. So that's awesome.
But you're right, it will outlive all

831
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.599
of us, and it has become
a meme at this point. Yes,

832
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:33.519
that's all we could ask for.
I've seen it all over the place.

833
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:38.000
I can't remember what news outlet,
and I was so bummed that you weren't

834
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.159
mentioned it. And I'm sure they
had no idea who took the picture,

835
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.320
but h But that's okay, that's
so awesome that you could have been there

836
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.519
for that and out smart. It
was of that you know, talent coordinator.

837
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:55.199
Oh they know what they're doing for
sure. That was super smart to

838
01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:02.440
get that picture. You so with
ancient alien, I I guess I didn't

839
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:09.719
realize. And what's kind of curious
is it brings up this topic and I

840
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:15.239
think that our listeners, your listeners
and my listeners are a big part of

841
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.960
this. And it is kind of
these silent communities and it's almost like the

842
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:27.960
Internet has bred this where you never
know how large these communities of people are.

843
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.800
So for instance, I feel and
you know, when you and I

844
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:36.199
do this and others of the ILK, there are a lot of people like

845
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:41.079
us. Like that's what's been wonderful
about doing stuff lately is there's a lot

846
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:46.039
of people who want credible information and
it's kind of like this silent, large

847
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:50.400
community out there. Yeah, it
really is. I mean I can't tell

848
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:56.079
you. Okay, So I work
at a Sasquatch themed coffee shops. So

849
01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:00.320
cool, Yes, totally by chance. I didn't plan it's it was the

850
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.719
first job to hire me when I
made the big trek out here. Out

851
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:06.719
west. But that being said,
every day, Elejandro, people come in

852
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.800
and you know, they ask about
Sasquatch or they ask about this and they

853
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.360
find out that I'm a UFO researcher. And I'm not kidding you. At

854
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.559
least up one person per day.
It's like, oh, I've always wondered

855
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:23.320
about that, or oh, I
like I look at that stuff all the

856
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.119
time online. I just never knew
like other people were interested. And you're

857
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:33.119
right, it sort of sits stagnant
on the Internet behind these avatars we create

858
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:38.480
online and talk to one another,
and then you when you meet these people

859
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:40.599
in real life, you're like,
oh my god, this is real.

860
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:46.679
Like more people than we ever thought
are interested in these topics. That's really

861
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:50.880
really inspiring to me. The field
is much larger than we get it credit

862
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.960
for. For sure. I don't
think anybody would have realized. You know,

863
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.719
all the people that showed up an
alien con as we know, just

864
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:04.760
for pictures and autographs. The lines
went out the building and down the street

865
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:11.719
hours. People were waiting hours for
those and again, like you can't ask

866
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:14.800
for more than that. They were
that excited to meet their heroes, whether

867
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:19.559
it's Duchovny or suclose anyone, you
know, children's what have you? They

868
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:25.000
they love this stuff. And again
we might sound like we're you know,

869
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:30.280
we're we're we're cheering them on,
but we're also very what's the word,

870
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:33.519
We're tough when it comes to this
stuff as well. I have my personal

871
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:38.880
opinions about the ancient alien theories.
But at the end of the day,

872
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:43.719
yes, it's more people getting interested
in these topics that we can then give

873
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.719
them our information to so it's cyclical
and I think it's great. I really

874
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.679
do. At the end of the
end of the day, I think it's

875
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:54.599
great. Well, I want to
leave enough time. I added a couple

876
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.239
more questions, but you know what, I want to leave enough time to

877
01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.639
make sure we plug everything that you
want to talk to and I have enough

878
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:01.880
time to thank you for coming on
the show because this has been so much

879
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:08.119
fun. I knew it would be
an inspirational and it's just cool to talk

880
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:11.880
to someone who you know it's kind
of doing the same thing and inspire each

881
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.520
other. But I do want to
make sure like you've got your podcast,

882
01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:20.079
you have your Patreon, what other
you've got I guess the website plug away?

883
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:24.800
Well, thanks man, it's always
a pleasure when you ask me to

884
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:27.399
come on. I didn't know what
we're going to talk about, but I

885
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.159
knew we would find things to talk
about. And if I blab, it's

886
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:35.119
because I'm excited and I'm passionate.
So you could find all my blabbing and

887
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.560
everything at Somewhere in the Skies dot
com. I do have the podcast I

888
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:44.359
do weekly. If you want bonus
episodes one on one Skype sessions with me

889
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:48.279
to just talk about stuff we talked
about today and all that good stuff,

890
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:54.279
you can go to my Patreon,
Patreon dot com slash somewhere Skies. Other

891
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.880
than that, I am working on
a new book right now, follow up

892
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:03.680
to my first book, so expect
that sometime hopefully in twenty nineteen. I'm

893
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:09.640
very excited about that. It's a
topic that's refreshing and that I don't think

894
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.800
is necessarily been covered in the field
yet. So I will be giving updates

895
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.840
and progress on that on the podcast
and again at the website Somewhere in the

896
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:21.279
Skies dot com. And then you're
going to be at alien Con in Baltimore

897
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:25.840
in November. They're doing it again. Yes I am. I was invited

898
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.079
back for Baltimore my personal East Coast
as it were. I'll be joined by

899
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:34.840
Jason McClellan. We're going to be
doing some panels and representing Roque planets somewhere

900
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:40.159
in the skies and a little bit
of Open Minds as well. I'm really

901
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:43.840
looking forward to that and I think
seeing you as well, am I correct.

902
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.960
Yeah, we're going to have a
table there. We're mostly certain we'll

903
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:53.119
have a table there. Awesome.
Well, I look forward to seeing you

904
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:57.960
then in November. Yes, very
soon. Well, thank you so much

905
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.119
for coming on the show again.
Thank you so much, Alejandro. Oh,

906
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.840
it's a pleasure. Thank you so
much to Ryan Sprout for joining us

907
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:09.760
on the show. He was awesome. So Ryan is one of the people.

908
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.720
He's kind of the main dude actually, because I saw him doing this,

909
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:15.479
inspiring me to get on this Patreon, which is kind of like what

910
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.239
he said with the hip kids are
doing. Just like if Heinich was a

911
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.399
round, that's what he would be
doing. He'd be on Patreon. But

912
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.479
I'll talk to you more about Patreon. But if you want to help out

913
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.720
Ryan, which I hope you do, go follow him, become a patron

914
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:32.840
of his Patreon like I have,
and or go buy one of those Heinig

915
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.880
t shirts like I have. I
actually literally just bought one, so really

916
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.520
cool. Thanks Ryan. I'm going
to tell you about my Patreon also in

917
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.960
just a second, but first I
want to give you some news, especially

918
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:49.359
about the UFO Congress YouTube page.
So the UFO Congress has its own YouTube

919
01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:54.920
page. Some of you know that's
where the Alezondo video is. How's the

920
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:59.399
interview that we got for that.
But we're trying to get this up and

921
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:03.039
ramp and we need one thousand subscribers. So once we get to one thousand,

922
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.159
and we're pretty close, we're going
to give out a free T shirt

923
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:12.199
to a YouTube subscriber. So if
you haven't subscribed to the UFO Congress YouTube

924
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.000
page, go do that now.
And in order to help out, we're

925
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:19.039
putting some really cool stuff up there
for free. So Karen, who owns

926
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:26.319
the Congress now, also ran Travis
Walton's last anniversary event just a couple of

927
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:30.840
years ago, and there were some
rare occurrences that happened there. One of

928
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:34.960
them was at Tracy Tormat, the
producer and the writer of the movie Fire

929
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:40.319
in the Sky about Travis Walton,
was there and he did a talk That

930
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:45.960
talk is now posted up on the
UFO Congress YouTube page, so very rare

931
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.560
to hear him talk. If you
want to know, hey man, what

932
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.560
did the middle of the movie not
go the way that Travis said it went?

933
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:54.520
You know, you can find out
because he answers those questions. So

934
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.000
go check that out, check out
that video really really cool stuff, and

935
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:02.720
subscribe to the page Patreon. Speaking
of YouTube, one of the things that

936
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:09.720
I'm doing is a thing called UFOs
Seriously, and it's a live thing that

937
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:13.479
I do on Thursday at six pm
where I give UFO news for the week

938
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.399
and I also answer people's questions.
So people are on there, you know,

939
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:20.760
you can chat and stuff. Well, you can see everything I'm doing,

940
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:25.439
including links to this on my Patreon
page. Of course you can find

941
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:29.479
it at openminds dot tv as well, but on my Patreon page. I've

942
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.840
got everything that I'm doing on all
the different outlets. So for instance,

943
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:38.399
you can see some interviews here that
I have with some actors from Mars to

944
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:43.479
television show, really cool stuff and
the showrunner, all of whom are awesome.

945
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.279
So with the actors Jeff Hefner and
g Hey g Hay is cool.

946
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.199
She's going to be in the next
Peter Jackson movie, which is going to

947
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:53.359
be huge. She's going to be
a gigantic star. And I can say

948
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:56.439
I knew her. She's really awesome. I love her to death. But

949
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.279
Jeff it's really cool too. But
also d Johnson, and she's a showrunner

950
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.199
of the show. She was also
the showrunner of Er. I got to

951
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.439
get a sneak peek of the second
season, so I've seen it. It

952
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:10.960
is really really good. It launches
like in a couple of months. But

953
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.680
we talk about some of what you're
going to see in the second season of

954
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.119
Mars on those videos for denniv Geek, as well as other articles that I

955
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:23.079
have up there, and if you
become a Patreon subscriber, you'll get sneak

956
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:27.359
peeks to stuff that I haven't posted
yet. So for example, in Roswell,

957
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:32.319
I was at the Stanton Friedman's last
panel. So the very last panel

958
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:38.399
in Roswell had some Roswell researchers and
the last question was to Stanton, you

959
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.520
know, to share some words of
wisdom, and he did, and then

960
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.000
after that he got a standing ovation
and he shared some more information. I

961
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:48.840
recorded that and I have it up
on Patreon. You have to be a

962
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:54.880
Patreon patron, which costs you as
much as a whole dollar a month to

963
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:58.119
be able to see that, so
it's very cheap. It's affordable, and

964
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.520
then you'll get to see those video. Honestly, I'll probably release him at

965
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.640
some point in the future, but
if you want to see him right now,

966
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.920
go check him out on Patreon and
then follow that because I'll put lots

967
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:11.840
of other stuff that I'm doing on
there, So that's Patreon. Check that

968
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.239
out, and of course check out
UFO's leave on the open mind YouTube page.

969
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:20.560
And you can see all this at
openminds dot tv. Otherwise, follow

970
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:25.800
me on social media for more and
for more of all of this, and

971
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:30.920
I will be at the Devil's Tower
UFO rendezvous next month in September thirteen,

972
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.720
fourteen fifteen, with lots of our
good friends, and I think we're talking

973
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:39.359
about what at least Bigo, Mark
d' antonio, Karen Bard is going to

974
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:44.439
be doing a talk, David Marler, Chris O'Brien, and Richard Beck with

975
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:47.039
hopefully I'm not forgetting anybody, but
hopefully you can make it. It's a

976
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:50.760
really fun event. Other than that, I want to thank Caleb Hanks for

977
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:56.199
the opening and close music. Oh
yes, his brother Micah Hanks will be

978
01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:59.920
there at the conference with us.
I also want to thank SISC the Man

979
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.920
Next for the bumper music, and
of course I want to thank Martin for

980
01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:08.680
joining us with the news. Martin
of podcast UFO check them out. And

981
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.119
I want to thank you the listener. Thank you so much for being here.

982
01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.760
We'll talk to you next week.
Until then, Audios moved chachos,

983
01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:03.439
you were motions