Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Plan the Apes Retrospective.
My voice giving out on me already on a Mastercord day. That's good.
I'm the clown Prince of Bad Neighbors. Trust. Now I'm joined by I
am the Risen Kirkland Patser, the Draco Malfoy taylor Field. You got to
bring that Risen name back on Easter weekend when we were core. You know
why? You know what faith Kirkland belongs to. He sounded so offended.
Why Jesus, that's what he's supposed to come back every year, they tell
me. And I haven't seen him yet. Okay, do you think if
Jesus does come back and then he just comes back and he's just like,
he's just looking around. He doesn't make a big deal. He's back for
Dan, He's just like, all right, wait, they say he's supposed
to. He'd be because he's supposed to be the day, isn't he Yeah,
he is the day he resurrected, but he's not supposed to resurrect of
that day. Like, well, people keep telling me he's supposed to come
back again, though I think they threw him behind the doesn't they they room
behind the rock, and he didn't die that way. They threw him up
on the cross on the Good Friday, and then he came back on the
Easter Sunday or whatnot. Yeah, but I think he's supposed to if he
comes back again, it's supposed to be Easter weekend. People keep coming.
They've got that. We're the first guy that comes back. It's supposed to
be like the Devil's incarnate the omen, right, and then the next one's
supposed to be Jesus that's resurrected. So that's the thing that we got the
devil. Yet we got a few. Donald Trump's running, I think we
got him. There's people out there. Yeah, I just everyone get close
to Easter. I see signs all the time in the churches like he's coming
back, and I'm still waiting. You know, I'm you know, I
got react on my my biblical lore. I think I'm a little rusty.
We'll do bread butter on it. We'll do this episode. We'll do a
US political one. CANDA political one be perfect, so all of our religious
followers. Yeah, and then get the extreme religious ones. You know,
we got to pick a saw and then they're they're with us, you know,
they supporting us. We can write it all off, No, but
I'm sure you're tuning in for plenty of apestock and that's what we're gonna be
doing. We're not gonna be talking about Jesus anymore, but we'll talk about
Caesar, talk about as says Draco Malfoy, he's got some teams Franco action
here, John Liftgalo, Trendy Killer. That's a very fun cast here,
Brian Cox. I got some good trivia about some other people that were talked
about. But yes, this is the start of the new trilogy. Obviously,
this is Ryan or whyatt Why at Rupert? It's a fucking like It's
a name that I feel like when I see it, it's like dyslexi.
It's like, shouldn't it be Ruper? Is it Ruper? Wyant? Or
why Rupert? Now? And now I'm screwing myself, it's why Rupert?
Right, I'm gonna double check that somebody checked that while I'm doing this.
But yeah, so you can go back a couple of weeks ago they've been
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our retros we record months sometimes years in Evan. So, kirkle, I
think you got an answer, Rupert, Why fuck? I did it?
Just one of those like two first names sort of deal, right, but
yeah, so he direct then it leads into the Matt Reeves one, So
of course we're gonna do that. But go back. We reviewed all the
original five, we reviewed the great two thousand and one Tim Burton's classic,
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Patzer, you're fresh fresh off the San fran Bridge here. First of all,
have you guys ever been to San Francisco? Have you ever been on
this bridge? Always wanted to go, has not happened yet? This inspired
you again, we gotta go take the stand for right now. We were
saying, the next time we want to go to California, we'll probably drive,
like rent a van or something. Oh yeah, like the Oregon Coast
Adventure and uh so that's fun. But when we do it, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. The plan would be kind of camp or stay at hotels
I guess along the way, hopefully camp, depending on whether that'd be nice.
But one day, one day I'll see the Golden Yeah. We we
did that when I was younger, to see restling twenty one, me and
my dad to get to California, and we chose just to sleep in the
car method and then we kept going. And man, luckily after that because
what was that was two thousand and five, so I was about all,
let's see almost I was twelve at the time. But after that, not
trip seemed long ever Again, when we drove to California like that, like
there's a life pre California drive in post and the Vancouver drive four hours,
like, oh my god, after that that was nothing like spending three days
in a car. Fuck man, it was and there and back too,
so it was a it was Melloy car by the end of it. Two
absolutely there. Yeah, yeah, But talk about smelly this movie. What
do you think about Kirk one? And also what are your memories of obviously
the first time, because I feel like we've thought we've probably seen these movie,
But did you see this in the theaters? Did you catch it later
on? What's your history with it? I caught this one later on.
I had only seen you know, if you're tuned into Redtrup at this point,
I think I've said before that this this is the only one of the
new movies that I've seen, so after this, I'm just treading watch exactly
so kind of exciting and it's exciting like obviously we're leading up to what is
it, Kingdom of the Playing, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes,
So a lot of hype build up is happening for sure as we're entering this
this era of the Planet of the Apes movies, and I'd only ever seen
it once before. And not in theaters. I caught it. It was
probably like on Netflix, honestly, so like a handful of years ago,
maybe maybe four, maybe five. I don't know that this movie is what
twenty eleven. I think, Yeah, it's fucking old now, it's old,
older than a decade. Wait, yeah it's a decade now decade in
a couple of years. Crazy. But anyways, back back to this movie.
I really really loved it the first time I had seen it. I
I don't know, I just thought it was it was really really well made
movie. I thought it all looked really good cgi wise, with the apes,
and just Caesar was a really interesting character to follow along. Obviously,
Like now, while we're doing the retros, all the previous movies are like
they're just you know, they're in the frontal lobe. I'm able to pull
pull the memories from those movies going into this one. So it's kind of
funny to recognize just the references or the similarities that some of the other movies
have going into this one. But yeah, no, I I on this
viewing here, I still think this is a really solid movie. I really
enjoy it. I think it's they do a good job at like telling the
story that they want to tell from the perspective of of like the ape in
captivity, and you know, we see previous movies do that in this franchise
alone, but this one they just do a really good job with it.
And I don't know if it's just because it doesn't seem as datas of the
other ones, or maybe we have like an ape that truly looks like an
ape because of just how CGI was able to do that. I think it's
just a bunch of different factors. And also just like the human motivation I
think from like Franco's character with his dad and all Zheimer's like, I think
that just pairs really well with the overall motivation that the science he type guys
have in this movie. So yeah, I think this is a really,
really solid and I'm really looking forward to jumping into some of the other ones
because I had only ever seen this movie, and obviously it kind of like
it's not a major cliffhanger, but like it's it's a cliffhanger buying this movie.
It's leading into something else and I've never seen what happens, And now
I'm just seeing trailers for like Kingdom of the plot of the Apes. I'm
like, well, I guess they won. And the next two were directed
by Matt Reeves too, So get excited for really Oh shit, yeah that's
good? Is like that? I think I think the it's kind of funny
because he does does Dawn and he says like the Dark Knight was a big
inspiration, and then like he does Dawn and that's so good. That like
pretty much led to him because I think he got Batman before War for the
Plant the Apes was out, Like I think he was in post production like
working on it, but then he got it, so pretty much the Apes
movies secured him Batman after that. It was kind of like that. People
saw that, especially Down. I think Down is considered probably the best ones.
I'm not trying to overhype before you, but that was the one.
Yeah, that's an next one. Yeah, that's definitely the one. I
think that got him in the Batman conversation of like, fuck, like,
let's talk to this guy after Affleck left. So, mister Field, your
history and your current day thoughts on Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
So the fucking start of the double of the of those, like I said,
we need to do a third we needed a movie that has a third
of the just to fucking double down triple down. Yeah. This came out
at the time when I was working at the movie theater, so it was
definitely like I see everything at the theater and Matt those hand job people and
everything like that. Oh yeah, Apes is just watch the Apes put it
away? Yeah, Like, what was that movie The Little Things Bleeding this
Week and the guy fell asleep with his dick out. Yeah, it just
brutal. Hear the story, Kirk, I saw it. Taylor poking some
guy. You gotta gomes take a photo first of the guy passed. Now,
yeah, I do appreciate the person took a photo evidence, right,
I guess. But yeah, no, I I absolutely love this. This
this new step into into as so the other the other ones are just classics
and they definite they hold a nostalgic place in my heart. I love the
storytelling that it's unfolding here, and I love how they really cover this.
And to me, it feels like it's almost like a different universe. In
comparison to the other one we got with Taylor and Cornelius and then Zerra,
this one feels like again it's it's all within that say the same element,
but it feels like it's a different it's a different account of events that have
unfolded, but it's leading down towards similar paths. So I think that they
did a good job at tackling the kind of storytelling in this and the narrative
that kind of reflects where we are in our present day, where the other
ones are tackling racism and segregation and this one's tackling like oppression and just our
humanity in general. And you really get to see that shine in certain apes,
where some apes are the reflection of good people and some apes are a
reflection of bad people and the things that they do and the weight that they
carry for our mistakes and how we act. And you're really just get to
see how shitty humans are in this movie. And I think that's that's usually,
like we've joked about this before, like as a field of betray your
own a race, and I just those movies definitely really hit me the hardest
when you just see how shitty humans are. And it's not wrong, this
is you want to. I think that you live in a good little bubble,
but when you see these portrayals of these humans acting like assholes. It's
accurate. It's totally accurate. And that's why I think Draco Malfoy was a
good a good job, like being kind of like a dick in here,
though he definitely overhyped it, like where are my cookies? Man? Like
it's just just freaking it goes a little too hard for me in this movie.
Yeah, Like I feel like he's just it's literally just if we found
out what Draco Malfoy did in the real world and this was his job,
like he couldn't be a wizard, like he's just playing. Because I talked
about this with like a couple of weeks ago. So because we talked about
this versus Conquest, and I may what other English I wish either they directed
him differently or they win a different route of like they won't be a shit
guy. But he's just Draco in here, like he's the exact same character,
you know. So yeah, yeah, yeah, So I saw this,
Yeah, because I was a huge as fan. I saw this opening
day. I think it was one of the movies I first off My sister
too, and she started seeing like more grown up movies. She would have
been like eleven at this point, so it was like, oh and she
had liked the Apes movies too, So I remember seeing that having a good
time, just being being very hyped because just having Apes movies and having them
like critically received. Well, this was coming off circus doing Gallom and King
Kong, so it's kind of like, Man, if they're gonna do this
route, this is the way to go. As I've said before, I
think I'm like a fifty to fifty, Like there's things I love about the
original Apes and the way they look, because I do like that at any
point, you never have some stuff that you haven't here in Caesar, right,
where sometimes Caesar looks great, but then if he's moving, there's it
takes you out, like clearly it's just a guy in cgi suit, right,
and like it's too video gaming. But then there's stuff that they can
do with the face and the reactions that you could never do with that makeup
because it's so contructing. Right. So that's why for me, it's not
like a I like one or that, which I completely get because I fel
like there's tons of people that do look at the old Apes movies and watch
this and be like they can't go back. They just do that, and
I think for the most part they do a great job. Circus does a
great job, and the team. I really like the story. I think
it's a good It's kind of like saying I like that it kind of look
at both boys. It could be a reboot or it could still be a
prequel to the movies that we got right, Like I still think we'll see
with Kingdom, because Kingdom's introducing some stuff we're like, oh, who knows.
But up until especially in the next two, they never really do anything
that would break the connuity for what those movies are, right, And I
think that's smart because I think we've said this before. I see some people
like, oh, one day we're gonna get Planned the Apes, Like I
just think that's a bad mistake. Like, I don't think ever redo Plan
the Apes like that movie, because I just feel like that's setting any director
and actors up for just just disaster of like the New Charlton Heston anew that.
So I think this was a very smart route. It's a different it
is the same similar story of Right After the Conquest, right of we meet
a nice APC society in Turns, But I think this one has a lot
more nuance to it, as we talked about with the head shaking and the
know like, this is definitely a better build up. I think my only
thing where I fall down is more of the human side, where I like
the humans for the most part, and I love the motivations of Franco's character.
I think Liftgow's great in here. I think that, yeah, Draco's
you know, he's whatever. But I think my problem is probably midway through
the second act, there's like nothing for Franco's character to do. Really,
I just feel like he's just kind of around and just I don't know if
he should have got killed. I don't know if something should have happened.
But even at the end when Hive and Caesar say goodbye, it feels like
such like a I'm happy the scene's there, but it feels like such a
nothing point. I don't know if that scene should have came earlier. Where
So that's where I think the Apes stuff's so good. Where the human I
don't really care where you talk about with the original plan the Apes, like
I care about Cornelis and Zera, and I care about Taylor. I think
I care about Franco is like a good origin for Caesar for how he oughts
here, but they said maybe there's a version of this where you just lose
Franco, and that even motivates Caesar more to be like fuck these humans,
right, because it's just kind of they just forget, not forget, but
they just like run out of things for all of them to do really lift
goals, like he just gets sick again. The girl for like just disappears.
She's just gone multiple time. It's like you almost don't need the girlfriend
characters. So that's where yeah, and that's where it's not bad stuff.
It's just kind of like this movie's already only an hour and a half.
It's a shorter especially for twenty eleven. I feel like that's a shorter blockbuster
because blockbusters like usually like two hours. So maybe there was more stuff in
there that they could have kept that I would have enjoyed it, or maybe
this was just better for the pace, right we talked about with our movie.
It's like what's better, like to have more of the content or to
have like the pace. So overall, I still really like it. I
don't even know where it's gonna be in my rankings because I feel like it's
like a strong middle half. But I think it's like a really great start,
and I think they nail the Caesar stuff, and they nail all the
apes and the motivation. I love just the divisions of the apes at the
beginning when he meets them all just having a tough time, then slowly kind
of gaining trusts and seeing, Okay, this ape's a little different. So
I think it's like if it's an origin movie, it's like kind of like
a perfect origin movie in that sense of like how to Caesar, you know,
become what he is. And I think it does all those jobs well.
So yeah, I think there's I think there's potentially a better version of
this movie where Franco's character dies on the bridge itself there and like it's really
like maybe when the cop and the helicopter, you should say that, okay,
interest, So there's a halfway ending that which I agree that there could
have been something better there. But I'll bring up the trivia now because they
said this was an idiotic ending, not that not saying your idea is idiotic.
I'm saying this happened or the one on the bridge this so it didn't
happen on the bridge in the first movie. In the script for Rise,
Jane Franco dies, this is coming from the writer. Then we didn't kill
him. We were shooting. I remember saying, you know what, this
is just gonna be a bummer. People are gonna be like, oh,
this is dumb. This is this was dumb scene As the truth, we
had Brian Cox coming out of nowhere and shooting Jans Franco. The scene it
was dramatic. It was dramatic, but was idiotic and wordst It just made
you feel bad. I was like, oh my god, this is the
worst movie ever. So I guess what happened is after Draco gets killed,
which that's it is funny. I can see how that script works, right
because Brian Cox finds a son the same thing he's just gone from the movie.
No fault. So I guess the original fault was he was gonna get
his car fuing Franco and shoot him down. But like I agree with you,
like I think there's a way to kill him. I don't know about
that. Of like, Brian Cox is coming out of nowhere in the riot
just with a so I think they made the right route. There's also rumors
at one point that one of the endings was that they also had Caesar kill
him in the forest. But I'm also happy they didn't do that because I
just feel like that would have been I like planning the apes, like people
misconstruing what Caesar meant and then making it seem like he was this almighty leader
god, but really he was just someone maybe trying to just help all the
apes. So I think if he would have killed Franco, that would have
been, like, especially for two and three, like you couldn't really follow
that character unless it's like a he's the villain now, which they don't do
that in two and three. So I'm happy. I think there's a version
of what you're pitching is right. But I'm happy they didn't have Brian Cox
and pull up, pull up with a clock and shoot him down. No,
Like I would have liked more if, like I said, like if
it was the cop and the helicopter with the machine gun just firing and then
lighting them up or something that's directly like it directly happened the apes actions,
that would have been interesting too, because then Caesar might have been like caught
on like, well, I somewhat im responsible for you know, the one
human that I love and like showed me showed me love and then comfort and
all these things, like he died because of my actions, like doing the
rebellion type thing. I think that's a lot more interesting because the end scene
like in the forest in my like in my mind because I'd only ever seen
this movie once before this view, and I thought that was such like a
more special scene, and maybe you can make the argument it is, but
it's just like he's like, we're gonna go home now. It's okay,
even though they just fucking like destroyed half a San Francisco. I was gonna
protect you. Yeah, he couldn't protect It'll be I'll look after you.
You couldn't look after him when he bit guy's finger. This guy has now
caused a mass riot, killed multiple humans, and Frank was like, it's
gonna be okay, We'll protect you. Said no, man, like you're
gonna get the present is gonna be after you, Like there's no Like that's
where he comes off kind of like dumb for like this smart scientist. Yeah,
and he's is like Caesar is home and then right away he's like,
okay, yeah, I agree with that. And that's the last time I
came out here for this franchise, so yeah, he doesn't come strange.
Yeah, and like what does Franco do now? Does he have to like
go back to the bridge, And like I think they're gonna hold him accountable
for what happened, but we don't know how fast like they could hold him
accountable. Like I feel like immediately the fallout is that things just start to
deteriorate. It like exactly right, So they I agree, they can't even
hold court sessions and lay blame on him because like just Caesar looks back,
he just sees Aaron getting like shot and everything. Cox is there, Like
I should have went home. I should have took him with us. Yeah,
I know you're probably right because we've seen like and that's the scary thing.
I know, we're jumping to the end, but with the whole because
seeing this movie post COVID, it's like, man, that's literally like how
that happened? Right, If someone gets on a flight they go to this
and that like that idea of this person's sick. First of all, that's
why I have the I love actually the running gag of this neigh or that
he just goes through the fucking shitter and again they make them seem like a
bad person. But like what much to Taylory someone like how we see how
people react at the same time. If I was at my place and a
fucking monkey was standing five feet for my daughter, I'd react the same fucking
way. Get this thing fucking act, especially like now in this even that
age twenty eleven, we'd heard multiple stories of people owning chimps and they get
fucked up. You know that was me my whole life on the monkey until
you read it like oh yeah, they're not meant to be there because they
can literally just turn on you in a second. Like that's why it is.
You can build this relationship, but something bad happens and it triggers them.
They can just and they will fuck you up. It's not like Caesar
is Caesar was different, I know, but like he say, oh sorry,
I'm experimenting on old timer's and I have there. It's mostly chimps,
right, Like they're they're different where monkeys are softer, they're they're much smaller
like little zoboo. But yeah, yeah, like yeah, I like the
one Ross had in Friends. I guess I'd get that one. But still
it's like a raccoon. If they want to fuck you up. I think
it's still fucking I could take a monkey, but a chimp no, no,
man fucking me up every day of the week. And they just like,
yeah, when you look at people that have been attacked by them,
they just they mangle you. They're dangerous. Yeah, exactly right. So
that thing, like I do, like the running gig, I think they
kind of pose it like he's an asshole, but like he's like, fucking
this ape is about to maybe attack his daughter John left goal hits his car,
he gets blood spit on him by this random neighbor because he's like trying
to dealt that. I love all the scenarios that happened to him. But
yeah, that moment when he's sick and his fucking nose is dripped in blood.
But as we've seen, like no, and again probably the person that
you know started doing COVID and whatnot and not start But it's just like that
win in a flight this and that probably didn't know a battle as was like
that was weird to see these years later of like man, like it's just
literally that's what happened. Like what Tia sung about that's what happened to us,
Right, we went from like people are getting sick and sprang to like
the world shut down very quickly. So I do believe, like, yeah,
they wouldn't put Franco on trial. I do always have a problem with
because they jump what is it like five years, right, and I in
this movie, Yeah, I just dont three years and then it goes five
years, so it's yeah, you'res total from the time. Yeah, I
don't buy he'd have this ape and no one like that's his fucking job.
And the fact that it never gets out, no one ever hears about,
like he keeps a secret for this long, like I just think for eight
years, and even then he doesn't get like found out, like he tells
his boss the ca've been working on this thing. Like that's the only thing
that feels a little unbelievable to me that he hid this ape for eight years.
He was with the car wash stuff, right, he was in ruin,
Like this is kind of like no one gives a shit about what he's
doing anymore because he totally ruined. But he's still he's still working the same
site and he's like, yeah, yeah, I just wish and I get
it because the neighbors. But like I wish they lived somewhere more remote because
then you can believe it. But they're in the middle of San Francisco and
it just he's literally walking a monkey around in a park like on a leash.
Like I just don't buy that, especially this thing that they're working at.
All timers they shut it down. I think, someone like, hey,
like, what's this? Is it Aaron again? What's his name again?
Character? Why am I calling him Aaron? That's not true? Right
spot? Will Will run? I don't know. Yeah, Like I'm like,
hey, I saw Will the other day. He's walking a fucking monkey
around and just go like it's a bit of a leap for me. I
agree with that. You some states, Bannet, but some spend states you
just need an exotic for an ape. Yeah, you need an actual permit,
but you wouldn't question if you were his boss here, like they're supposed
to kill these monkeys. Will's never own an eight before all of a sudden
he has this monkey and also those hockey spots. Now though I was like
this boss going there every eight years, I just feel like in eight years,
nobody's gonna really like, no, one's gonna mention like I bumped in
the will and he had a chip, Like I don't know. It just
feels all out of like it's San Francisco is a big city. I mean
it is, but it's just that it's because it's hard for me to buy
that amount of time. It's just that, especially it's a it's a billion
dollar program, you know, like it's this thing that like it's so huge,
Like but maybe right, maybe they wouldn't. I just always want to
watch. I find a hard time like how did he hide them? They're
just so out in the open about it. But I think too, like
that the after fact, what's that saying like beg for forgiveness or insteant of
asking permission, just beg for forgiveness. And that's why I feel like he
did afterwards when he's like, you know, he did this testing on his
dad and he did keep first of all. I think the especially it's just
it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. You don't got a bag, but
if you want to beg you can. You know he's going to beg for
forgiveness. Yeah, And the guy thinks it's working right because he's like my
dad. It's yeah, he's good and he sees dollar signs. Right,
So yeah, and that's where you see Franco is just kind of like an
idiot in the first place. To bring back this experimental drug into your home
is like the drug itself, the ape, the drug, the drugs.
Absolutely, he's bringing a monkey. If the thing doesn't work, it could
have attacked the baby monkey makes with Taylor though, Yeah, I'm with Taylor
like a baby ape. That's like it is a lot less dangerous. You
know, that's into his hands too, right, Yeah, I didn't know
it didn't throw it works, like, just take it. Those were his
coworkers. Those were someone they hired outside. They did not work at the
thing because remember that guy the like the guy the hair and he gets sick.
They bring him, Yeah, they bring him back so that he doesn't
work there. They're except for like ape handlers and whatnot that are I'm pretty
sure I don't think so, because when they start the program, he was
working in the lab. Yeah he okay, he works there. But I'm
what I'm saying is when that experiment was done, I think he goes away
because when they bring the apes back for more tests and they oh, it's
good to have you back, So I think he's the monkeys after that,
but like they hand it. But also that's like they that's illegal. Still
what he's doing, Like I'm with you with the the baby chimp, I'm
with you, but he knows this. We literally had a chimp in this
like the opening of the movie, which is great. I love that they're
having a fucking meeting about the future of Old Timer's all going great, and
then it just cuts to like this ape just fucking everybody up everything, like
terrible timing and John Lithgow, how'd your test go today? Poor will very
really really bad day. But like you're taking this ape, and if you
don't know the drug works, it's gonna grow into a chimp. Even the
girlfriend says that it's like it's gonna get dangerous. So I get taken the
baby, but like if that drug doesn't work, fucking he could destroy John
Liftgal. You know you think you think he's gonna put it with Liftgal's shenanigans.
I definitely took it more so like it's just a like they have no
other options, so we'll just we'll just take it and then we'll figure something
out. But then they don't really figure it. Well, I guess they
do figure something out, because it's only like a couple of days. They
they see the intelligence right that Caesar's developing, and then maybe right away that's
where Franco has the idea of like, oh wow, like the the drug
actually passed down from Bright Eyes to to Caesar here and then like that's the
ongoing experiment. And because his boss basically just axed everything, like you guys
were saying, like he's supposed to not like this ape is supposed to be
dead, right, all the apes that were involved in the in the test,
well, I guess they didn't know that Caesar was even a thing because
what the the mom just had him like in private, Like is that a
thing that the apes could just birth their own child and then just keep the
hush hush like that the god complex Well, no, I don't know,
God, that's not a god conflict there they have fucking god complexes? What?
No? There? Well, there was a father in the script,
Okay, so they just didn't show that. So the monkey did get it
on with another monkey. I think that's my thing if I think that is
a true thing of like them hiding it and like feeling very And I think
that's a great reason for the movie too, because you see this ape goo
shit and you know, yeah, you can't trust something. Okay, it
was being protective. So again it's kind of that way of they misjudged it.
But I also don't buy of like these fucking scientists didn't figure out this
ape was pregnant. Like that's like I don't know how long someone search up
how long a chimpanzee is pregnant for, because I don't know if it's like
nine months like a you know, like our society or our women. But
that's the thing where I just like it's they are running the most like they're
running tests and all this stuff, and they wouldn't know that she's pregnant.
And that's what I mean. All my big stuff, most stuff are all
the little like nitpicks with the movie. It's not like a, so you're
telling me this thing was pregnant for eight months and they didn't figure this,
Like I feel like that thing where the movie takes watching you fucking puzzles,
they weren't paying attend yeah no blood work, saying oh something's different. Like
that's the thing with this movie. I think all the major stuff hits,
well, there's little things when you nitpick it, Like here's a nothing.
I want to ask you guys, like why did John Lifgh go in to
counter that she was probably? I mean, you're right, they could have
done like blood tests and whatnot. But I want to hear this. She
was full on pregnant when they caught her, probably like maybe a couple of
weeks, and then they just yeah, and then started doing like the genetic
like injections and then this happened, right, I would assume. I also
don't know this just like a do they have like a showing like I feel
like if something's growing in you for eight months, like I feel like if
you have chimp experts, fucking people in Colonna Zoo are gonna be that you
can tell this bird's pregnant because X, Y and Z right. So it's
like, if these people who are creating Alzheimer's drug can't tell the ape is
pregnant, no wonder why they fucked up this drug. Will Dinachi Panze's exhibit
no obvious outward cues of pregnancy? Really that's fascinating. Okay, then I'll
take all that back. I still again will say that I would imagine blood
work and stuff would show somethings off because that happens with humans and everything.
But still, there you go, we're learning about pregnant chips today, folks.
So and I said, I really liked the reasoning of they didn't know
why she flipped, because everything's good up to that point. So I love
that. And like I said, it's just funny that that ape just comes
crashing through and was like, no in the cop first thing, no taser,
just besides the fucking dead, this thing with bullets. I like,
I like the reasoning on why she she snapped, but she like is just
unpredictable switch. And then they find out that she's just protecting her her infant.
But like, man, if I'm Franco and I'm like, I'm I'm
doing this super important meeting for these investors, I am so fucking pissed that
they even try to move her, like, just don't even interact with her
until this meeting's done. Like if they go to lunch, everybody go to
lunch, she almost snaps Buddy's arm and then they're like, hey, we
got to take her out, Like let's get her out of this cage.
Let's get the fucking loop downstairs by now. Man, Oh my god.
I like just in the moment, I'm like, why the fuck did they
even interact with her? Like just do it the next day when everyone's gone,
and like the video that they took her. Today is the day you
just give them a bunch of bananas and you say, monkeys, you chill,
you did a good job, and you just leave them like you don't
like now, like now is not the time. They have videos, they
have geene, they have everything they need like they don't. And that's where
maybe to your point, maybe they could have done something where there's like want
to see these monkeys up front, and that's where it's like, hey,
like this this lady monkey is not cooperating and no, we want to see
her and get her out. I think you could have done that other than
just like I'm like, yeah, why are all these people fucking with these
monkeys today? Like today's the day you just sit It's like an eye robot
situation when yeah, and same thing. I would hope that again these people
like wouldn't you give the cops maybe no kill rule, like get them with
and also they're like security, which I guess maybe it's America. They're probably
laced up with guns everything, but still like maybe say, hey, if
any these monkeys get out, unless they hurt somebody, can you just like
tas with them? Because what they've broke an arm and that's about it that
she's just kind of running. So but good scene and good I think good
way to like it's a classic movie thing right of like oh, you know,
you're so close and then it's going to go away and you know,
what do we call the kids? For all timers? What do you guys
feel about the boss character as far as a pulp's name here? Actually you
have a Kirk and you have the IMDb. Yeah, I did Jacobs,
Steve Jacob all right. I just feel like it's a play on Steve Jobs.
Very very clever, I guess, which reminded me of like, what's
his name, the guy from Jurassic World, like the new owner of that.
And you know, this is why, this is why I asked,
because one of my problems Jurassic World is that movie opens up and it feels
like he's a really cool boss, right, but then further all, yeah,
he's like we're gonna kill this thing, Like I feel like with that
same Jurassic Well tending to this guy, I feel like they couldn't decide is
he understanding because at one point he doesn't, like, don't get too personal,
but then when everything goes to shit, he's like, start again,
You'll figure it out, like you're smart guy, And I'm like, oh,
okay. It's like he's a good like he's hard, but he's like
a reassuring boss. But then later on he's like, got these muggy's in
the fucking production. Like I feel like we've had this problem with other Apes
villains where they could not decide is he like friendly with our guy or is
he an asshole? And I feel they made him an assle near the end,
just so when cobD pushed him out of the plane, we're like,
yeah, fuck yeah. But like I don't know if deserve that. He
didn't do anything overtly evil in this movie to deserve like a plane death,
you know, Like these Apes all they know is they're riding and they're killing
people or they're hurting people. So I think it for the chimps to get
killed in the first place after the test failed like the first twelve yeah,
yeah, yeah, but that's when they went. They were like in his
point of view, if you're just a scientist and businessman, he literally said,
this is costing me millions of dollars, Like it's a maybe, but
it's a fail experiment, right, people do I don't think it's anything.
Like he wasn't like torture them, like he was just like put them asleep,
kill them. Like I'm not saying it's right, but I'm just saying,
like I don't know that they should have maybe made him more overly evil.
I don't think he just deserved the helicopter death from Coba. In my
opinion. Well, it's like it's like Batman begins, I'm not gonna kill
you, but I don't have to save you. That's what Coba killed him.
He pushed the thing with his foot. Oh yeah he did push it.
Yeah, that'd be like I'm not gonna kill I'm gonna say the Batman
just fucking threw rosal Cool out the train, like, oh, I don't
have to save you, but I'm gonna kill you. The concrete killed him,
not me, Like the CEO was in the in the helicopter to begin
with, Like when he's there, he's like right get there. He's the
leader in for him, and I'm like, why the fuck is this guy
even in this helicopter right now, like with the machine gun police, yeah,
chopping down these chimps, but Brian Cox just shooting up too. Yeah.
I mean, I agree with a lot of the points that he said
where he's just kind of flip flopping on his motivation. Like at first you
think that him and Franco have like just a good like buddy relationship, like
he's more of the business side, Franco's running the lab, and that's just
the dynamic that they have. Clearly they've been working together for like five and
a half years, I think before before like that's when Bright Eyes dies.
So then we go three years past and then an additional five years and like
Franco's still working there right like amongst that whole time. So yeah, all
that all of that chaos is just like you know, water under the bridage,
Like they've totally moved on past that. And maybe you can make the
argument that because it's been like eight years, that's why he is kind of
like the CEO guy has changed a little bit and he's just really more focused
on the money now. But it doesn't really seem like there is a moment
that makes that switch. It's it. In my opinion, it's just like
not the best writing of that character, that he is just kind of over
all over the place. But like, I guess you kind of need a
character to be like that in this movie of again, like the person with
the money, the one that's running these programs and is looking at it from
the war financial side. But I think I could have also just taken a
couple less scenes with him, because he's not even the movie that much,
and you're already like, yeah, I don't know, Like obviously I don't
need him in the helicopter at the end. That's sure to have like a
dramatic way for him to die. But it's like you need that, I
don't think you like you. I think it benefits Coba in the next movie.
It does, because he is more of a cracedat so but here's the
thing. It's one of those things that in the franchise it works, but
in this particular movie, I'm with Kirkland, where also you could just have
Coba kill him at the facility, right, like the fact that he's like
the second when he looks up at the parking girl like Percade and all the
zips up there, which is great shot. He's just like looking around,
They're all around. You could have him just taken out their kind of because
yeah, it is kind of weird wise in this helicopter, what's he needed
to be doing? So yeah, I see the point. And my favorite
thing too about this movie being five to eight years is these none of these
people look any different whatsoever. Their hair is like it literally is just the
next day, but their hair is the exact same, like every single character,
nothing has changed, So you know, but his personality did, I
guess? So? Yeah, Taylor, were your fan of mister Jacobs.
I mean he was just a money hungry, big shot kind of guy,
and yeah, I liked how he was enthusiastic, but he didn't really serve
any major plot devices. Really, I mean, you get to take him
out and you could have had just James Franco still doing what he's doing and
like pretty much the board being the one to make the decision. Yeah,
Like you didn't need this this specific character, uh, but I mean it
is what it is, And like I said, I think he serves Coba
in the future the next film very well and how Coba when a colba has
become But in this one, I agree, it doesn't really do much for
the character at this time, just being that that specific target. One thing
I want to highlight on the bridge is I love I love the scene when
just the all the apes are just coordinating and kind of escaping and everything like
that, and just when the mounted police come into play here on horseback.
You have to have some fucking balls to just see a full gorilla, a
full fucking gorilla and charge on horseback. I know you're on a horse and
you feel like you've got maybe a little bit of an advantage. No,
man, not in a million. I'll take the coyote any fucking day.
I'll never fucking charge on horseback to a gorilla. Oh man, damn,
that's the fight you want to take me? And the horses head is just
like decapitated. Yeah, that's the fight. You can one v one a
coyote in the woods, or you can fight a gorilla with a horse.
You take the coyote. Every time rockets on my horse, like how mounted
on? You got metal the ton Yeah, you get like the jow sting
sticks and they literally just had Hans just a blood weapon against just fucking cord
and steel gorilla. Yeah yeah, but the grill did die. He didn't
meet his end, right, but he got lit up by that turret,
but he did meet his end sacrifice. Yeah, yeah, I seen there.
Heps like they can't swim? E Like, oh, we've talked about
a few times, okay, the Wallberg movie, Right, they really emphasized
that because I feel like I feel like you learned that it's on this podcast,
because I remember scenario me saying that you're like really, and now you're
telling me, hey, he can't swim? Did you know? And I
actually don't know? This is you looking up if they can, especially a
gorilla. I don't think there's any like scientific way that they'd be able to
float, which just how much they weigh? Are you trying to say he
should have drove into the water and said it go for the gun, Like,
well, the second that he dives off the bridge, he's dead.
Like even if he lands on the helicopter and it somehow stays up, maybe
you plan him flying it. If he misses the helicopter, like, he's
just dead. Like it's it's a lose lose situation. Couldn't you just imagine
you're one of the people on the ground. You look up, you see
this gorilla in the helicopter flying at the turret. You're just like, oh
my god, it's over moment, just carpet bombing. Case. Caesar did
learn to ride the ape or he learned to ride he definitely, yeah,
but no, he learned to ride a horse this movie. So maybe the
gorilla could have took in that helicopter and like follow me. He hops in
the pilot's seat. Yeah, he's just flying the apes out of San Francisco.
Did he get it the gorilla the juice, Yeah, that's okay,
Like I said, distributed to everyone, just not the gorilla. So sure
the gorilla was somewhere else, so I can't like it also seemed like the
gorilla was just like Caesar was able to communicate with the gorilla before they even
got the the substance, right, because when he opens up his cage and
lets some kind of free room in that little area, crazy like from that
point, like he just has an affinity to Caesar in that like in that
moment, because yeah, is the other ape when Caesar like takes him out
of his cage and then like the gorilla is kind of just basically Caesar's bodyguard
getting fucking line. They're just bowling him out of like king leadership and everything.
But yeah, I like that because like he lets him free, right
because the apes is like completely locked up and he can't like even go.
It looks like he doesn't get to do this tree or anything. So right
away he's like, Okay, trust him. But yeah, it looks like,
I mean, under normal circumstances they can't. But researchers have video evidence
that apes can learn to swim and die. But I guess that's that's the
girl like kills them all. And then you see him like a nice Olympic
like the buoy and see that humans have because we have a higher fat to
muscle ratio, but we also got webbed uh webbed hands, and then yeah,
they're very single out. Yeah, so it's tough. You can learn,
but definitely not the first day of the facility, they're all that bridge
goes down. All these apes are probably done for. So what do you
guys think about Will as a character, And we touched on him little bit
about James Franco. I think he's like good enough in this movie. It's
Like, as I said before, I think they lose a bit of steam
of him near the end, and it's not like he's a memorable like,
Oh I love the character will but I think he does the job right because
I think Caesar's the character you end up caring most about it and are interested
in about so he kind of has to be like the straight man to like
the very comedic guy in that sort of sense as far as like Caesar is
the one you always want to get back to and see where James Frank is
just kind of like leading the way, leading the plot and also have nothing
in the girlfriend. She was just there. I'm not gonna even ask you
guys about it. You can throw her in now. But yeah, again
that wasn't wasn't even needed some sort of storyline of it and having a girlfriend,
So no, none at all. Yeah, No, I I liked
him for his usage that he had I I already mentioned. I just really
liked the dynamic between him and his dad and it just shows like a really
strong motivation for why he is so passionate about like finding this cure for Alzheimer's
and just actually having success with this drug that they're they're doing, Like you
see that so much, right when the scientist has like a personal motivation for
whatever they're researching, and then uh, and then you got the money side
of like the CEO character. So that dynamic really worked. I liked his
I think his chemistry with John Lithgow too, lit go with Gal with Goal,
Tyler, Trinykiller, whatever the fuck is his name is, same character.
It seemed like he like they they did have like a pretty decent father
son relationship, and it seemed like he was a scientist too, Like beforehand
they kind of highlight his like just I guess medical rewards or awards, whatever
the hell you call them. His his certificate SiO is his diplomas on the
wall master pianist. He's just shredding on that piano throughout this movie Bolt the
whole time from Soul. You know. So I liked all that dynamic,
but I think I think it would have been maybe a bold decision to just
really taper like Franco's character out of it, like early on, like really
not even have him in the movie at a certain point, which is kind
of what they did, but they just they didn't want to go fully in
that direction. Yeah, he did keep popping up and like past I think
the first act, I don't really remember too much of where the second heck
lied, but like it seemed like the first act was Franco's act and then
like from that point we just kind of let him go and h and then
you just at the end like as we were in the third act and it
was just it was just chaos going on with the apes escaping. In my
mind, I'm like, how does Franco just like die or like disappear from
this movie? Like I just could not remember it at all. Then he's
just there like on the bridge, says let's see and like just does nothing.
And then he's in the woods, and uh, my favorite two is
the girlfriend's like, oh, I'm gonna distract you, and I understand what
happens because it looks like she's gonna go jump over the rail to like go
around and they're like, no, he can't do that. But like for
a while before they fully zoom out, it just looks like she's gonna like
commit suicide jump because like they slowly pan out ter her reveal, Oh she's
gonna get over and like I guess trying to run to where the apes are
but she's just like and they go like, man, man, I just
love that was like you're planning. I get it, but it just was
funny in the scenario. But yeah, just even like how they get this
far on the bridge even at this point, you know, like why like
but smart people. I guess right, that's you, Taylor. Oh,
we've talked about Franco, So unless you got nothing to add, we can
move on to Brian Conks. No, No, I don't have much else
to add from what I've talked about him, just that he's he makes some
very bad decisions, but I love seeing how his compassion basically shapes the character
of Caesar going forward for the next few films here, And I think that's
really really awesome. And I do like that there is the little callbacks to
Franco, and maybe not necessarily Franco, but at least the home and the
symbolism of just Caesar's room and that the star eye symbol you want to dead
body hung up on his body. Yeah, that that star symbol you want
to keep that keep remember that, Kirkling, because it'll even play a part
in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. So the little window that Caesar
is looking through It's uh, it's has heavy meaning to it, which is
really cool. Yeah, I'm excited to know. I don't even remember the
heavy meaning, so could be lying to you right now. We'll see it's
in the trailer for King of the Planet of the Apes. But I know,
but I'm not saying that he said heavy meaning, so like I don't
want to have a meaning. It's like it's like i'd say, it's equivalent
of like the like the Cross for Christianity, back to back to him rising
again, but Caesaro ride on the Rise on Easter. Fuck. Oh,
I was gonna ask this what we're talking about, because yeah, Terry Ray
made some bad decisions Franco, because yeah, he literally like he brought on
Yeah, he destroyed the human rays and then brought the monkeys. But why
do you think because left guy gets the stuff and then he starts to have
his memories, he's completely lucid. That's all good, and I'm good acting
there from left goal because that's a hard thing to pull off. So you
get that, and then later on he just gets sick again, like it
goes away. He has the anti body. So they explain that that's all
good. How come. We never got like the like sick like other people
were getting sick. That's what I was curious about. I think it's because
of it's the way it's been injected too. I think it like there's things
can be very different when you have things that are injected or things that are
airborne. And obviously this stuff that was fair airborne was yeah, much much
worse. They probably then do you think Franko gets sick later on then because
he was around his dad so much? Because like the like, how did
the how did our original a Pandler guy, he just got sick by just
kind of being around, right, No, the stuff like shot up like
an uncontrolled variant of this sight shot up into his face. But I should
you have a lot of people that are immune, and then eventually the virus
mutates and those people that are immune whack. I can't say actually for Kirkland's
benefit, but the original Apes movies, you know, the humans can't fucking
talk. Well he he doesn't know the story behind behind that because yes,
like you know, I don't even want to say that. I gotta be
careful, but like, yes, humanity starts to die out, and this
virus is a cause of it, because you can see that people are dying
because of that. But the next movie does a good job at explaining why
some people are still alive and why the virus didn't kill everyone. And then
the next movie expands upon that even further as puts the file nail on the
coffin to humanity. What's the same as COVID? Right, Some people get
COVID have no effects, just like I got, Like you'd be reading and
you got it, like I luckily never got it. And there's some people
that like when my mom got it, she was fucking just bedridden for four
days and was like was out. And obviously it dependent on your age and
everything too, But like that, I can completely believe where does who knows
with your environment, what you eat, what you intake. Everybody's bodies are
different, So I get that portion, But yeah, I don't remember the
scientific reason explainings behind, But I that makes sense of Okay, if lift
Go wasn't taking it, just like getting injected by his symptoms might be different,
so it wasn't refined either too, right, So clearly I also thought
maybe it was to do with like the virus had something to kind of a
fight against right, like like it was meant to be like a cure for
Alzheimer's, which Lythgo had. Whereas if you if you don't have something like
that, like maybe it just is affecting you negatively. Yeah, something like
over your body. Yeah, exactly, possibly something like that. They Yeah,
I don't know. They don't go into too much detail as to why
that happens, but I'm excited for the reasonings in the in the future films
here. Yeah, that's one good thing about the APES movies. They do,
like even the original Apes, they'd say they do a good job,
like they never forget the con newty. That's a pro and con. But
I feel like there's you can still watch maybe Apes Moove's outseeing the other ones,
but I feel like you definitely need to have some knowledge what's going on,
so they don't leave stuff in the past. So what else do you
guys have? Anything specifically else characterized moments? I think the Caesar when he
speaks the first time scenes really well done. I think it's a good build
up. He hits us with the classic Ape No you know now it's just
become a meme. But uh, there's there's the bright eyes his one being
called bright eyes really like that, and then there's some stuff of like I
didn't need Tom Felton giving us to get your hands off me Dan Dirty eight
like that. That's when I was like dropped a couple of those classic lines
right because he dropped the mad House line too, So I wish they pulled
back on that one. But that's okay. And I like the scenes in
general of the apes bonding and like it's not I mean like, oh,
I like the apes gain tortures doing like I think they did a good build
up of showing these apes being shitty, having a bully mentality, uh like
a hierarchy, but then have them like combining because they meet this one eight
that kind of shows them a different way. And I think it's done much
better than conquests, like we talked about before with the head and no and
the you know nose, Like I think this was a much more natural.
Okay, the apes are combining and then they get fucking all juice, So
I love the scene the next eight of my Mouth. Bully comes in and
they're all just quiet, they're just sitting down, they're just watching him,
and you must like like fuck, like what's going on? In these ephes
are usually a little rambunctious. So I like all the eight bondings either talking
that stuff at the center there, So what what do you do? Excuse
me, your your Brian Cox's character. You're I'm just kidding. You're leaving.
Well that's what I do. I fucking let him up. You're leaving
the enclosure for the night. But as you are leaving, you look out
through the door and you see them then like an assembly, and then you
you don't and looks at you and then turns back and does oh, And
then all the apes together and they like I'd be fucking panicked. Man,
oh man, that's a little nitpick I had. Yeah, like come on
now, like I don't know what you do, but you definitely don't be
like, well, go on to bed, don't leave your son there alone.
Like yeah, I liked all of the the bonnie moments that the apes
had. I thought they did a good job at explaining, like Caesar's turn
and how it just like hurt he felt from just being abandoned, right like
especially even just like he's clearly more intelligent than like an average pet. But
then he starts to just see like the similarities between him and like you know,
the dog that was barking at him, and like he's on a leash
too, and it just doesn't really seem fair in that sense. There's obviously
like that that classism that's going on between Like he's intelligent, He's probably more
intelligent than most humans at this point, right, especially when it's like eight
years total, so I guess he's he's eight years old there. And yeah,
no, I I thought all that was really good. And I like
the like the trust hand thing that he had going on with uh with Franco.
It happens a couple other times in the movie, So all of that
stuff I really really liked. And yeah, like again just just really transitioning
from his home being at Franco's house and then to where like his home is
just with the apes and he is like the one rallying the troops by the
end and you know, makes them smarter. I like his dynamic with the
Orangutang. I believe the rankang is the reoccurring character throughout the whole the whole
series moving on, So I'm excited to see how that develops. And so
much nicer here than playing the apes of my assholes. Later on, you
know, so, oh yeah, fucking what's his name? Zero? It's
not zero? Is it zi? Zious? Fucking zious? Maurice would hate
SIUs so so pessimistic. Yeah, I I you guys already talked about that
pilot guy, the neighbor, But he's actually a character that plays I feel
like a dick kind of in other roles too, because he's in Star Getting
Atlantis and that's where I first saw him when he was in When he was
in the I thought, man, he's just playing the same character kind of.
He's always got the same face. He's always like scared mad at the
same time, but like frightened mostly. Yeah. Yeah, let me look
up my notes here if I got any other shoutouts. Did you catch the
I'm sorry if you guys already mentioned this. Did you catch the space stuff
that's probably in the trivia Travis has the space stuff? No, I didn't,
but we talked about it at the saw the mini post credit, right,
Yeah, yeah, I saw them, and then like you see you
see like the shuttle launching. I know there's the newspaper article, Yeah,
getting close to Mars whatever the name of the ship was for you. So
it's interesting too, of like, because I think you're right Taylor as far
as the world's shutting down, But I guess it doesn't shut down that fast
because at the same time Taylor goes, and that makes sense because the world's
going shit. But then they do send Brent after the considerably smaller man,
and it's like, I just like in the middle of COVID, like when
at its height, they weren't concerned of like, oh, we have to
send another person to Mars or whatever. Right, So that's one thing I
will say it doesn't track a little bit, is like if it does,
who knows, maybe we'll just fucking died in prison. We might be discounting
that they might arrested him and you might die there. But I feel like
they wouldn't. Why would they I get why Taylor would go because the world's
fine, but why would they send another astronaut the world starts to go to
shit? Right? Well? Concerned do we know that they sent another Astronautmy
maybe this this woman asked whatnot was on that initial mission? Right? Well,
you know I'm saying, but that's what I'm saying. If people take
it as this as a prequel, if they do that then it's not a
prequel anymore. Then Rise Plant Apes is so timeline. That's what I'm thinking.
I feel like it's its own timeline. I really don't like them.
No you want I mean you could get Taylor in there still, he could
be on the crew or I don't even need No, I don't need Taylor.
I just mean I need to get to like the ending point is planning
the apes, like we know things have changed, like bad dogs and cats
didn't even die in this timeline, right yeah, not yet though, right
so no, but but no, because because remember when the dogs and cats
die, and even then we look at how the creation of Caesar was totally
different and that timeline Caesar was a prodigy from the future and in this he
was well by human. Yeah, the Caesar changed. The Caesar thing I'm
fine about because it's much like God, where everybody has their own version of
it. Right, there's not like a clear cut out like many religions believe
in different things about God. That's where Caesar, it's like if he is
a godlike figure, Jesus figure, I could see something being like we know
he did this. He did this, like his stories so larger than life
and because are there cats and dogs in the sequels. I think he sees,
but we know too, like even if the cats and dogs aren't there,
we know that that's changed where they didn't take apes as pets. Yeah,
which is fun. But it's funny though because remember in the original plan
apes, that story that origins out there. It's the sequels that brought it
in, right, So maybe you could yes, well, yeah, and
in the original it's not there, and yeah, yeah, you're right,
But I mean you could just say it's just to bring that in, But
then you have Cornelis and Zero saying that's what happened in their original timeline too,
right when they're being in for it. So it's probably not but that's
okay. But yeah, no, so they went out there and yeah,
Charleston Nesson's up there getting ready to land and fuck nova, he's good time
to leave Earth. I guess you know everything's going to ship. So all
right, let's bring up some Oh I brought up there's a great moment where
I brought up I'm going to bring up chance Franko when he's at the court
hearing or not, like he's whatever, what will that place we called when
the lady's telling what's gonna happen. Here's your court date if you want to
appeal to get the d I don't know what it is. It's some sort
of legal office. But he's like, he's like, I'm not I want
it to be like his case like moved up into court hearing. He's like,
I'm not gonna move till it happens. And then she's like, oh
sorry, and then she just closes the window. I just picture, like
imagine just weeks later, he's still just standing there while she's like gone home
and everything. But it was just so funny, like it was he's making
a big deal, but literally she just like closes her site for the day
and it's done, like nothing happens of it. So I was like,
yeah, you're gonna you're gonna have ninety days that we get decision, and
then we're gonna mail you, which will probably be like fucking two weeks or
however a lot of takes to get stale mail. And then he's like,
this is where you're gonna do. You're gonna go on your computer. You're
gonna give me a date for this week's Yeah, I know, it's not
my problem. Gonna eat my grilled cheese man. So that's good stuff.
Let's see. One of the first movies to use motion capture and on location
setting prese motion capture was limited. Special studio set up special motion capture cameras
in a very clear, defined surrounding. So they're as circus is usual,
playing with like moving forward. This is the first time. It's okay,
we're gonna do you know, circus in location, not like with golm with
there's lots of k This is specifically made or set King Kong example. So
Caesar's speaking voice was produced by as sound as I Chuck Chuck Michael, who
mixed sounds of a fully grown males chimp vocalizations and recorded at Chimp Haven with
any circus voice, which I do like. It's not just like that's something
where you talk about originals versus this. They just have human voice to coming
out of apes, right. I like that there is like an ape kind
of echo or baltude and stuff. So I like that. Move Bright Eyes
is given her fizzy drink and a Gator Greater Gator great Gator raid bottle.
Holy fun. Try and say that three times fast. During the research for
the film, a director, Rupert White, learned that chimpanzees love sugar,
and gay rayed is often one of their favorite drinks. So there you go.
So they're also fucking hyped up all the time. There's sugar in their
veins. So you do one thing. They just sweat and commercials. Let's
me do those commercials with the apes. Let's see here, the movies first
installment to feature another great ape species. Besides chimpanzees, grills and orangutans,
Coba, the scarred lab abe, and some apes in this facility are bono
booze. The species was assumed, thank you very baboo. That sounds a
good drink. Give me one of those bonta boos. You've had enough,
bright eyes, Give me a and then tore part now. The species was
assumed until very recently to be a species of chimps, explaining its absence in
the previous film. So I guess throughout the history thought oh, it's just
another chimp, but now they've seen that, No it was not, So
there you go. Ah, let's see here. There were long debates on
whether or not Caesar should bite Hunsker's finger. The neighbor Rugbyer chose not to
have the finger come off, because it felt like it turned the audience against
Caesar too much, which I kind of agree with it. He is animalistic,
but I think in one who knows what their rating board would have gave
him, but I think that's probably the right call, just to give him
a nip instead of taking the whole finger. You know, I disagree he
wanted it fully off. Yeah, he's a chimp, Like if a chimp
bites my finger, it's fucking coming off. It's not. He's a smarter
chip. So again, oh man, Yeah, I guess they got a
PG thirteen rating, so I'm not sure if you guys saw this. But
on the television you can see Charlton Heston in his role in the Agony of
Ecstasy, so there is fifth appearance and apes movie, so that's cool bringing
it back. The first scrip, originated in two thousand and six, is
a completely unrelated project Genesis, which I guess I don't know if that was
just like the working nameer was planning these. Genesis sent it around an evil,
genetically engineered chimpanzee that was raised at a human home, was very smart
but spoke only in sign language. So I feel like, there's definitely aspects
there, like the raise at home stuff like that. But I wonder where
the evil thing came from because we raised it at home. Did that mean
it's like a bad will he was an asshole? Or did was he just
like? Which? I think this is good because I feel like the home
of the neighbor, that's the story. Yeah, collecting fingers too. He's
got like a necklace of just fingers he's collected. Yeah, Which this is
the approach I like because like I said to me, with Caesar, the
legend of Caesar, you canna take any other way. I feel like many
people would have just looked at oh, well Caesar in the original movies,
he's like their god that took over. So let's just make them an evil
eighth that just fucks everybody up, Like I like the version war of Seeing
the Even if he does become like an evil dictator, it's like, well,
there's lots of reasons why that happened, right, So I think they
were good to pass on Genesis. Whatever happened there before James Franco assumed the
role. Uh his fellow co star from Spider Man to McGuire, was considered
but left when a deal involving the script became him in the studio involving the
script between him and the studio fell through. The rumors for this is that
McGuire had it. It was his movie, because these rooms go back a
long time. I was on line dB boards. He had the role.
So they met with him, they liked it to McGuire, Get da Da
Da, And then apparently like the next week or next time they met,
he had the script and he came back and he had like notes upon notes
upon notes of like what he wanted changed, and they apparently they tried to
hash it out and then it just fell through and then it went to Franco.
But that's the word that he came in. Let's do it genesis genetically
enhanced. Yeah, and I'm gonna be a fucking dick to him. He
said, I can't wait. I'm gonna push Andy around so much. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna beat the ship at any circus on this movie.
Can we ready? But yeah, that was the rumor that he just came
back with a bunch of notes and they're like, we're not we're not changing
this. And not to say extent, but there's rumors like that happens with
Edward Norton a lot too with projects and then see where he just likes a
lot of creative stuff, and so yeah, I don't know if it would
have made a like it sounds like it would have made a difference because it
would have been a lot of different and who knows that could have been it,
right, Maybe some little scripts were just like, hey, why is
my character didn't disappear like throughout half the movie? Like maybe that was it,
but they were probably like, we want to focus on I could see
Toby being like wanting to be a Toad McGuire project, where they want to
be a Caesar project, which you're both write to think like that, right,
told McGuire's still coming off like twenty eleven Spider Man three was only four
years ago, Like he's still like a star at that point, because I
could see him being like, I don't want to fucking just disappear throughout the
movie. But yeah, they they went different routes, So I would have
loved it, though, Get tobyen an Apes movie. I think we've got
some good memes out of that. Oh yeah, yeah, someone should deep
fake that to a deep fake of Will with Tobe McGuire and I'm sure nowadays
they probably wish they got McGuire. But he should put like deep fake or
revise that scene. Or he's in his car, put him on the bridge.
The the apes like this car's mother fucker, get out the way.
I can't see the car. So motherfucker was the best man, what a
legend, get out the way. I can't see your cars a motherfucker.
Uh for the role Stephen Jacob. Some people that were considered Jamond Huntsu,
Jamie Fox, and Iris Elbaw so you go. I don't think Jamie Fox
ever would accept that. I don't like he would have he's holding out for
that Toby script. That's yeah, me to Toby. He has the news
script for me. Like I think Jamie Fox have be in the same way
of like I'm gonna come and do three scenes like I don't know. Uh,
let's see Christopher Walking, Tim Conway, and Robert England were all considered
for the roles Charles Rodman so Jim Cool, Yeah, that would have been
fun. I'm glad. As much as I love walking and I'm somebody that
I think I'm in the minority, I actually like walking and doing because I
feel like that fits the Emperor to be like a little like different. I
don't know. I would have liked walking in this one. I feel like
he could have. There could have been some comedic beats. Man. Imagine
the movie. This guy's perfect, but imagine me we got Christopher walking with
Toe McGuire. Fuck man. I actually do want to see that, Jamie
FOXX, fuck. I would love to see that movie. Oh and then
for John Landau, two people that were considered were Michael Douglas and Danny DeVito.
I'm very happy they went Brian Cox. And I just feel like Dany
Vito is Brian Cox's character. I just light him up. Yeah, da
killing Jim Franko in the forest. I just think Dan Vioe he's kind of
reached that point for me now where I can't see any like serious roles now.
So I think that would have been after the Oscars, right, No,
even before that. I think it's it's always sunny. Oh, him
and Arnold they did a skit it's really good. You should watch you where
they get on stage and they're talking with the Oscars and they I don't only
start talking about but they talk about Batman and they talk about how they hate
Batman because he beat them and he killed them in the movies. And then
they cut into the crowd. It's Michael Keaton and he's like making a Bruce
Wayne face and it's so good, and I was like, there he is
that son of a bitch. Michael Kean's like, he's like bringing on it's
really really good stuff. But no, I think it's probably the Vito and
it's always sunny. I don't watch the show, but I see enough of
memes and stuff where it's like it's just too comedic for me. Now DeVito
and that's good. It's working for him, right. People love him on
that show, but I think he didn't need to be the ape handler here.
So yeah, uh yeah. I enjoy the movie like it have a
few nitpicks. There's a few things where you go, oh, that doesn't
make the most sense, And like I said, some of the human stuff
maybe falters near the end. There's some stuff that maybe it's more ape stuff,
which I get the budget or maybe some other things, but at the
same times, maybe those things weren't good. So where it is, where
I'm at is what was like happening at the movie. I'm an eight at
ten on it. I guess I'm excited, see because I figured I got
a few of the movies that are like an eight seven point five, so
I'll have to when we rank them and do that episode, really sit down
and go, Okay, what do you like and not like? But I
think it is better made than a lot of the especially the back half movies.
So but yeah, I enjoyed it. I like watching this one.
I don't go back to as much as the other two coming up, especially
don I feel like don I've definitely just put on like, oh I gotta
watch this. So but yeah, still really good movies. I think like
there are a couple stinkers, but for the most parts, as we get
through these, like for how many films what they have, it's like eight
nine. Like I think the Apes have a pretty good track record of quality
for movies that you know, go to eight nine, it can get pretty
dicey. So that's where I am. I'm a eight out of ten on
the Rise of the Plan of the Apes. Uh yeah, I think I
think on this one there is a couple of things to nitpick. A couple
just characters popping out and just disappeared for a little while and then coming back
and just a couple of nick nitpicky things. But I feel like the main
pillars that make this movie what it is are are strong, in my opinion,
enough to kind of make me look past some of those issues. And
I was very cue just coming into this one, because it had been a
very long time since I've seen the like the sorry, since I had seen
it for the first time, and I was just like, is it gonna
hold up as much as I really thought it did? Is there gonna be
like some of the the A Handler stuff that's just really cringey and it's just
kind of hard to pass it on. But No, it totally holds up.
And Yeah, I had a really fun time jumping into this one and
can't wait to move forward. And the other ones. I think I'll give
it. I was thinking like eight, eight and a half. I thought
it might be bold to do like eight and a quarter. I don't know
if I've ever rating before, so I think I'll do it here. I
think I'll do it here. Eight and a quarter. Nice that first eight
points and five there tearfield end us off. Yeah, I'm gonna give oh,
it's gonna pay to five. Oh, yeah, you're right with a
quarter. I misjudged that. Oh yeah. I don't think anyone's ever given
eight point two five. I know, at least monkst this new trilogy where
film. I know that it would have been better if we had Toby.
This would have been walking. Yeah, we walking, man, you seem
oh yeah and d o fuck that would have been the Gorilla or something.
Yeah, God damn, I'm with you, Travis. I'm gonna go in
eight out of ten. I think that there are some things that that really
work for me in this movie, and some other things that really don't.
And like I said, I know where I put it in this trilogy,
and we'll get we'll get to that down in the world when we do our
rankings. But I just for me, this is this is a good enough
stepping stone and it just gets better from here. And that's that's why I'm
excited. I'm really excited. I mean, I've enjoyed all these movies in
their own way. Like I said at the beginning, there's the nostalgia factor
for the originals, even the Mark Wahlberg one. I have some weird reservation
for that that I just I hold on to it and it's just unique in
its own right. So but this is definitely my my getting into my more
favorite and preferred story narrative of the Apes universe. So yeah, oh there
you go. We'll be back soon with Dawn of the Plan the Apes,
Matt Reeves first venture into this. Lots of things here, and yeah it's
considered a very big one so and yeah it's Crookland's first time viewing, so
it's gonna be a fun time. So we will be back. Also,
I forgot to mention too, Tayor you guys said something, but oh you
said portray your own race? How come Fox never did like an avatar planing
the Apes, you know, like fucking Jake Sully with his crew lands on
Apes planet. You know, i'd watch the Nobby versus the Apes when you
I'd be down for that. But I mean, they wouldn't. They wouldn't
verse each other. They just team up, right, they'd be well first
of course, right, and then they have and then they team up.
Yeah, I want to see you again. What's his Cultridge? That's his
name, right, what's his name, Kittridge or whatever? What's his what's
like? You can't what's his like? You portray your own race. What's
like, Oh, Corrige Coorage. Yeah, I'd love to see him for
some fucking monkeys. I'll love man. Give me de fake version of him
interact with Charlton Heston. Fuck, like the conversations those two would have Heston
and New the Apes movie. It's not a bad that's not a bad poll.
Actually, Like if you were looking at what we talked about doing a
cast like that, like that wouldn't be a bad tailor. I think he
has some of that Macheese molly as some of that, Like I could see
him reading those lines. You just gotta hear what his laughs like, you
know, soft soft, that's just what he's like when they first land,
then dropping to his buddies. All right, we'll be back with Don plan
Apes next time and it will not be boring.