1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,040 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Plan the Apes Retrospective. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,439 My voice giving out on me already on a Mastercord day. That's good. 3 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:13,560 I'm the clown Prince of Bad Neighbors. Trust. Now I'm joined by I 4 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:19,800 am the Risen Kirkland Patser, the Draco Malfoy taylor Field. You got to 5 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:22,920 bring that Risen name back on Easter weekend when we were core. You know 6 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:31,600 why? You know what faith Kirkland belongs to. He sounded so offended. 7 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:35,920 Why Jesus, that's what he's supposed to come back every year, they tell 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,240 me. And I haven't seen him yet. Okay, do you think if 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,159 Jesus does come back and then he just comes back and he's just like, 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,280 he's just looking around. He doesn't make a big deal. He's back for 11 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:47,159 Dan, He's just like, all right, wait, they say he's supposed 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,719 to. He'd be because he's supposed to be the day, isn't he Yeah, 13 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,399 he is the day he resurrected, but he's not supposed to resurrect of 14 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:57,119 that day. Like, well, people keep telling me he's supposed to come 15 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:00,200 back again, though I think they threw him behind the doesn't they they room 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,159 behind the rock, and he didn't die that way. They threw him up 17 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:03,640 on the cross on the Good Friday, and then he came back on the 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,640 Easter Sunday or whatnot. Yeah, but I think he's supposed to if he 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,319 comes back again, it's supposed to be Easter weekend. People keep coming. 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,920 They've got that. We're the first guy that comes back. It's supposed to 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,599 be like the Devil's incarnate the omen, right, and then the next one's 22 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,560 supposed to be Jesus that's resurrected. So that's the thing that we got the 23 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:26,760 devil. Yet we got a few. Donald Trump's running, I think we 24 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,560 got him. There's people out there. Yeah, I just everyone get close 25 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,680 to Easter. I see signs all the time in the churches like he's coming 26 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:37,319 back, and I'm still waiting. You know, I'm you know, I 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,560 got react on my my biblical lore. I think I'm a little rusty. 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:47,319 We'll do bread butter on it. We'll do this episode. We'll do a 29 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:52,879 US political one. CANDA political one be perfect, so all of our religious 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,560 followers. Yeah, and then get the extreme religious ones. You know, 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,640 we got to pick a saw and then they're they're with us, you know, 32 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,000 they supporting us. We can write it all off, No, but 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,879 I'm sure you're tuning in for plenty of apestock and that's what we're gonna be 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,680 doing. We're not gonna be talking about Jesus anymore, but we'll talk about 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,199 Caesar, talk about as says Draco Malfoy, he's got some teams Franco action 36 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:15,840 here, John Liftgalo, Trendy Killer. That's a very fun cast here, 37 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:19,879 Brian Cox. I got some good trivia about some other people that were talked 38 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:23,280 about. But yes, this is the start of the new trilogy. Obviously, 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,159 this is Ryan or whyatt Why at Rupert? It's a fucking like It's 40 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:30,120 a name that I feel like when I see it, it's like dyslexi. 41 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:32,080 It's like, shouldn't it be Ruper? Is it Ruper? Wyant? Or 42 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,639 why Rupert? Now? And now I'm screwing myself, it's why Rupert? 43 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:38,639 Right, I'm gonna double check that somebody checked that while I'm doing this. 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,759 But yeah, so you can go back a couple of weeks ago they've been 45 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:44,479 releasing, if not on Patriot, you probably get all these episodes at for 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,800 you early right now, So always do that in the future because many of 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,120 our retros we record months sometimes years in Evan. So, kirkle, I 48 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:54,039 think you got an answer, Rupert, Why fuck? I did it? 49 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:58,520 Just one of those like two first names sort of deal, right, but 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,039 yeah, so he direct then it leads into the Matt Reeves one, So 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,280 of course we're gonna do that. But go back. We reviewed all the 52 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:08,879 original five, we reviewed the great two thousand and one Tim Burton's classic, 53 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,800 and here we are, and of course we will be doing Kingdom of the 54 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Plan the apes coming up. We'll be doing probably a day one day to 55 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,759 review that. So yeah, if you like clem apes, we got you 56 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:21,719 covered. I said everything you need to know. Stand below on the Patreon, 57 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:23,759 get episodes, ad free early, get a nice RSS feed, get 58 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:28,080 to do stuff like join after nine our call in show. 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We were 68 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:04,159 saying, the next time we want to go to California, we'll probably drive, 69 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:08,319 like rent a van or something. Oh yeah, like the Oregon Coast 70 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,800 Adventure and uh so that's fun. But when we do it, yeah, 71 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,360 exactly. Yeah. The plan would be kind of camp or stay at hotels 72 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,240 I guess along the way, hopefully camp, depending on whether that'd be nice. 73 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,000 But one day, one day I'll see the Golden Yeah. We we 74 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,000 did that when I was younger, to see restling twenty one, me and 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,240 my dad to get to California, and we chose just to sleep in the 76 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,120 car method and then we kept going. And man, luckily after that because 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:38,519 what was that was two thousand and five, so I was about all, 78 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:43,439 let's see almost I was twelve at the time. But after that, not 79 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:46,439 trip seemed long ever Again, when we drove to California like that, like 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,800 there's a life pre California drive in post and the Vancouver drive four hours, 81 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,000 like, oh my god, after that that was nothing like spending three days 82 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,079 in a car. Fuck man, it was and there and back too, 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,319 so it was a it was Melloy car by the end of it. Two 84 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,759 absolutely there. Yeah, yeah, But talk about smelly this movie. What 85 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,399 do you think about Kirk one? And also what are your memories of obviously 86 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,040 the first time, because I feel like we've thought we've probably seen these movie, 87 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,959 But did you see this in the theaters? Did you catch it later 88 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,079 on? What's your history with it? I caught this one later on. 89 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:20,079 I had only seen you know, if you're tuned into Redtrup at this point, 90 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,879 I think I've said before that this this is the only one of the 91 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:29,839 new movies that I've seen, so after this, I'm just treading watch exactly 92 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,480 so kind of exciting and it's exciting like obviously we're leading up to what is 93 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:36,560 it, Kingdom of the Playing, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 94 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:42,079 So a lot of hype build up is happening for sure as we're entering this 95 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:46,759 this era of the Planet of the Apes movies, and I'd only ever seen 96 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,839 it once before. And not in theaters. I caught it. It was 97 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,560 probably like on Netflix, honestly, so like a handful of years ago, 98 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,199 maybe maybe four, maybe five. I don't know that this movie is what 99 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,000 twenty eleven. I think, Yeah, it's fucking old now, it's old, 100 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:04,360 older than a decade. Wait, yeah it's a decade now decade in 101 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,800 a couple of years. Crazy. But anyways, back back to this movie. 102 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,399 I really really loved it the first time I had seen it. I 103 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,079 I don't know, I just thought it was it was really really well made 104 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:19,519 movie. I thought it all looked really good cgi wise, with the apes, 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,920 and just Caesar was a really interesting character to follow along. Obviously, 106 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,959 Like now, while we're doing the retros, all the previous movies are like 107 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:32,279 they're just you know, they're in the frontal lobe. I'm able to pull 108 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,040 pull the memories from those movies going into this one. So it's kind of 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,600 funny to recognize just the references or the similarities that some of the other movies 110 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,560 have going into this one. But yeah, no, I I on this 111 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,560 viewing here, I still think this is a really solid movie. I really 112 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:54,199 enjoy it. I think it's they do a good job at like telling the 113 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,160 story that they want to tell from the perspective of of like the ape in 114 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:01,920 captivity, and you know, we see previous movies do that in this franchise 115 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,600 alone, but this one they just do a really good job with it. 116 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,480 And I don't know if it's just because it doesn't seem as datas of the 117 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,040 other ones, or maybe we have like an ape that truly looks like an 118 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,079 ape because of just how CGI was able to do that. I think it's 119 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:24,959 just a bunch of different factors. And also just like the human motivation I 120 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,519 think from like Franco's character with his dad and all Zheimer's like, I think 121 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:31,639 that just pairs really well with the overall motivation that the science he type guys 122 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,240 have in this movie. So yeah, I think this is a really, 123 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,600 really solid and I'm really looking forward to jumping into some of the other ones 124 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,560 because I had only ever seen this movie, and obviously it kind of like 125 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,040 it's not a major cliffhanger, but like it's it's a cliffhanger buying this movie. 126 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,040 It's leading into something else and I've never seen what happens, And now 127 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,560 I'm just seeing trailers for like Kingdom of the plot of the Apes. I'm 128 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,959 like, well, I guess they won. And the next two were directed 129 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:58,639 by Matt Reeves too, So get excited for really Oh shit, yeah that's 130 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,279 good? Is like that? I think I think the it's kind of funny 131 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,439 because he does does Dawn and he says like the Dark Knight was a big 132 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,920 inspiration, and then like he does Dawn and that's so good. That like 133 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:13,560 pretty much led to him because I think he got Batman before War for the 134 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,879 Plant the Apes was out, Like I think he was in post production like 135 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,360 working on it, but then he got it, so pretty much the Apes 136 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,560 movies secured him Batman after that. It was kind of like that. People 137 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,959 saw that, especially Down. I think Down is considered probably the best ones. 138 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:26,920 I'm not trying to overhype before you, but that was the one. 139 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:30,120 Yeah, that's an next one. Yeah, that's definitely the one. I 140 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,360 think that got him in the Batman conversation of like, fuck, like, 141 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,159 let's talk to this guy after Affleck left. So, mister Field, your 142 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,919 history and your current day thoughts on Rise of the Planet of the Apes. 143 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,759 So the fucking start of the double of the of those, like I said, 144 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,639 we need to do a third we needed a movie that has a third 145 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,480 of the just to fucking double down triple down. Yeah. This came out 146 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:54,039 at the time when I was working at the movie theater, so it was 147 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,879 definitely like I see everything at the theater and Matt those hand job people and 148 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:01,440 everything like that. Oh yeah, Apes is just watch the Apes put it 149 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,679 away? Yeah, Like, what was that movie The Little Things Bleeding this 150 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,080 Week and the guy fell asleep with his dick out. Yeah, it just 151 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:16,080 brutal. Hear the story, Kirk, I saw it. Taylor poking some 152 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:20,600 guy. You gotta gomes take a photo first of the guy passed. Now, 153 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:26,279 yeah, I do appreciate the person took a photo evidence, right, 154 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:35,320 I guess. But yeah, no, I I absolutely love this. This 155 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,039 this new step into into as so the other the other ones are just classics 156 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:41,919 and they definite they hold a nostalgic place in my heart. I love the 157 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,799 storytelling that it's unfolding here, and I love how they really cover this. 158 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:52,200 And to me, it feels like it's almost like a different universe. In 159 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,360 comparison to the other one we got with Taylor and Cornelius and then Zerra, 160 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,559 this one feels like again it's it's all within that say the same element, 161 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,480 but it feels like it's a different it's a different account of events that have 162 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,519 unfolded, but it's leading down towards similar paths. So I think that they 163 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,320 did a good job at tackling the kind of storytelling in this and the narrative 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,440 that kind of reflects where we are in our present day, where the other 165 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,919 ones are tackling racism and segregation and this one's tackling like oppression and just our 166 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,960 humanity in general. And you really get to see that shine in certain apes, 167 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:33,759 where some apes are the reflection of good people and some apes are a 168 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:37,240 reflection of bad people and the things that they do and the weight that they 169 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:41,639 carry for our mistakes and how we act. And you're really just get to 170 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,639 see how shitty humans are in this movie. And I think that's that's usually, 171 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,559 like we've joked about this before, like as a field of betray your 172 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,080 own a race, and I just those movies definitely really hit me the hardest 173 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,200 when you just see how shitty humans are. And it's not wrong, this 174 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,759 is you want to. I think that you live in a good little bubble, 175 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,919 but when you see these portrayals of these humans acting like assholes. It's 176 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,600 accurate. It's totally accurate. And that's why I think Draco Malfoy was a 177 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,320 good a good job, like being kind of like a dick in here, 178 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,120 though he definitely overhyped it, like where are my cookies? Man? Like 179 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,039 it's just just freaking it goes a little too hard for me in this movie. 180 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:26,399 Yeah, Like I feel like he's just it's literally just if we found 181 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,840 out what Draco Malfoy did in the real world and this was his job, 182 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:31,159 like he couldn't be a wizard, like he's just playing. Because I talked 183 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:33,240 about this with like a couple of weeks ago. So because we talked about 184 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,320 this versus Conquest, and I may what other English I wish either they directed 185 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:43,919 him differently or they win a different route of like they won't be a shit 186 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,440 guy. But he's just Draco in here, like he's the exact same character, 187 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:52,279 you know. So yeah, yeah, yeah, So I saw this, 188 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,799 Yeah, because I was a huge as fan. I saw this opening 189 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,440 day. I think it was one of the movies I first off My sister 190 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,440 too, and she started seeing like more grown up movies. She would have 191 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,039 been like eleven at this point, so it was like, oh and she 192 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,519 had liked the Apes movies too, So I remember seeing that having a good 193 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,639 time, just being being very hyped because just having Apes movies and having them 194 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,159 like critically received. Well, this was coming off circus doing Gallom and King 195 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,399 Kong, so it's kind of like, Man, if they're gonna do this 196 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,919 route, this is the way to go. As I've said before, I 197 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:20,440 think I'm like a fifty to fifty, Like there's things I love about the 198 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,840 original Apes and the way they look, because I do like that at any 199 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,080 point, you never have some stuff that you haven't here in Caesar, right, 200 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,200 where sometimes Caesar looks great, but then if he's moving, there's it 201 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,639 takes you out, like clearly it's just a guy in cgi suit, right, 202 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,240 and like it's too video gaming. But then there's stuff that they can 203 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,759 do with the face and the reactions that you could never do with that makeup 204 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:41,919 because it's so contructing. Right. So that's why for me, it's not 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,720 like a I like one or that, which I completely get because I fel 206 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,960 like there's tons of people that do look at the old Apes movies and watch 207 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,879 this and be like they can't go back. They just do that, and 208 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:52,639 I think for the most part they do a great job. Circus does a 209 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,879 great job, and the team. I really like the story. I think 210 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,399 it's a good It's kind of like saying I like that it kind of look 211 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:03,000 at both boys. It could be a reboot or it could still be a 212 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,120 prequel to the movies that we got right, Like I still think we'll see 213 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:09,919 with Kingdom, because Kingdom's introducing some stuff we're like, oh, who knows. 214 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,200 But up until especially in the next two, they never really do anything 215 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,960 that would break the connuity for what those movies are, right, And I 216 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,559 think that's smart because I think we've said this before. I see some people 217 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,399 like, oh, one day we're gonna get Planned the Apes, Like I 218 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,240 just think that's a bad mistake. Like, I don't think ever redo Plan 219 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,960 the Apes like that movie, because I just feel like that's setting any director 220 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,000 and actors up for just just disaster of like the New Charlton Heston anew that. 221 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,399 So I think this was a very smart route. It's a different it 222 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,360 is the same similar story of Right After the Conquest, right of we meet 223 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:45,840 a nice APC society in Turns, But I think this one has a lot 224 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,080 more nuance to it, as we talked about with the head shaking and the 225 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,519 know like, this is definitely a better build up. I think my only 226 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,159 thing where I fall down is more of the human side, where I like 227 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,840 the humans for the most part, and I love the motivations of Franco's character. 228 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,960 I think Liftgow's great in here. I think that, yeah, Draco's 229 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,200 you know, he's whatever. But I think my problem is probably midway through 230 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,039 the second act, there's like nothing for Franco's character to do. Really, 231 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,360 I just feel like he's just kind of around and just I don't know if 232 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,000 he should have got killed. I don't know if something should have happened. 233 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,679 But even at the end when Hive and Caesar say goodbye, it feels like 234 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,879 such like a I'm happy the scene's there, but it feels like such a 235 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,639 nothing point. I don't know if that scene should have came earlier. Where 236 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:26,960 So that's where I think the Apes stuff's so good. Where the human I 237 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,080 don't really care where you talk about with the original plan the Apes, like 238 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,159 I care about Cornelis and Zera, and I care about Taylor. I think 239 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,240 I care about Franco is like a good origin for Caesar for how he oughts 240 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:37,360 here, but they said maybe there's a version of this where you just lose 241 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,600 Franco, and that even motivates Caesar more to be like fuck these humans, 242 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:45,799 right, because it's just kind of they just forget, not forget, but 243 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,960 they just like run out of things for all of them to do really lift 244 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:52,600 goals, like he just gets sick again. The girl for like just disappears. 245 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,559 She's just gone multiple time. It's like you almost don't need the girlfriend 246 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:58,440 characters. So that's where yeah, and that's where it's not bad stuff. 247 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,080 It's just kind of like this movie's already only an hour and a half. 248 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,159 It's a shorter especially for twenty eleven. I feel like that's a shorter blockbuster 249 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,080 because blockbusters like usually like two hours. So maybe there was more stuff in 250 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,080 there that they could have kept that I would have enjoyed it, or maybe 251 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,360 this was just better for the pace, right we talked about with our movie. 252 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,399 It's like what's better, like to have more of the content or to 253 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,480 have like the pace. So overall, I still really like it. I 254 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,200 don't even know where it's gonna be in my rankings because I feel like it's 255 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,399 like a strong middle half. But I think it's like a really great start, 256 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,360 and I think they nail the Caesar stuff, and they nail all the 257 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,480 apes and the motivation. I love just the divisions of the apes at the 258 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,840 beginning when he meets them all just having a tough time, then slowly kind 259 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,480 of gaining trusts and seeing, Okay, this ape's a little different. So 260 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,279 I think it's like if it's an origin movie, it's like kind of like 261 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,919 a perfect origin movie in that sense of like how to Caesar, you know, 262 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,879 become what he is. And I think it does all those jobs well. 263 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,799 So yeah, I think there's I think there's potentially a better version of 264 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,600 this movie where Franco's character dies on the bridge itself there and like it's really 265 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,440 like maybe when the cop and the helicopter, you should say that, okay, 266 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,159 interest, So there's a halfway ending that which I agree that there could 267 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:11,120 have been something better there. But I'll bring up the trivia now because they 268 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,039 said this was an idiotic ending, not that not saying your idea is idiotic. 269 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,080 I'm saying this happened or the one on the bridge this so it didn't 270 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,039 happen on the bridge in the first movie. In the script for Rise, 271 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,519 Jane Franco dies, this is coming from the writer. Then we didn't kill 272 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,600 him. We were shooting. I remember saying, you know what, this 273 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,840 is just gonna be a bummer. People are gonna be like, oh, 274 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,799 this is dumb. This is this was dumb scene As the truth, we 275 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,960 had Brian Cox coming out of nowhere and shooting Jans Franco. The scene it 276 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,759 was dramatic. It was dramatic, but was idiotic and wordst It just made 277 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:42,559 you feel bad. I was like, oh my god, this is the 278 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,600 worst movie ever. So I guess what happened is after Draco gets killed, 279 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:49,759 which that's it is funny. I can see how that script works, right 280 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:53,159 because Brian Cox finds a son the same thing he's just gone from the movie. 281 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,519 No fault. So I guess the original fault was he was gonna get 282 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,679 his car fuing Franco and shoot him down. But like I agree with you, 283 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,600 like I think there's a way to kill him. I don't know about 284 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:06,200 that. Of like, Brian Cox is coming out of nowhere in the riot 285 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:10,079 just with a so I think they made the right route. There's also rumors 286 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,440 at one point that one of the endings was that they also had Caesar kill 287 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,079 him in the forest. But I'm also happy they didn't do that because I 288 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,000 just feel like that would have been I like planning the apes, like people 289 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,400 misconstruing what Caesar meant and then making it seem like he was this almighty leader 290 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,440 god, but really he was just someone maybe trying to just help all the 291 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,839 apes. So I think if he would have killed Franco, that would have 292 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,160 been, like, especially for two and three, like you couldn't really follow 293 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,039 that character unless it's like a he's the villain now, which they don't do 294 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,319 that in two and three. So I'm happy. I think there's a version 295 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,400 of what you're pitching is right. But I'm happy they didn't have Brian Cox 296 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,559 and pull up, pull up with a clock and shoot him down. No, 297 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,519 Like I would have liked more if, like I said, like if 298 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,599 it was the cop and the helicopter with the machine gun just firing and then 299 00:17:52,720 --> 00:18:00,400 lighting them up or something that's directly like it directly happened the apes actions, 300 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,440 that would have been interesting too, because then Caesar might have been like caught 301 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,279 on like, well, I somewhat im responsible for you know, the one 302 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,319 human that I love and like showed me showed me love and then comfort and 303 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,039 all these things, like he died because of my actions, like doing the 304 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:18,920 rebellion type thing. I think that's a lot more interesting because the end scene 305 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:25,000 like in the forest in my like in my mind because I'd only ever seen 306 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,680 this movie once before this view, and I thought that was such like a 307 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,880 more special scene, and maybe you can make the argument it is, but 308 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,680 it's just like he's like, we're gonna go home now. It's okay, 309 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,599 even though they just fucking like destroyed half a San Francisco. I was gonna 310 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,240 protect you. Yeah, he couldn't protect It'll be I'll look after you. 311 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,839 You couldn't look after him when he bit guy's finger. This guy has now 312 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,480 caused a mass riot, killed multiple humans, and Frank was like, it's 313 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:52,279 gonna be okay, We'll protect you. Said no, man, like you're 314 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,880 gonna get the present is gonna be after you, Like there's no Like that's 315 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,400 where he comes off kind of like dumb for like this smart scientist. Yeah, 316 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:02,000 and he's is like Caesar is home and then right away he's like, 317 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:03,960 okay, yeah, I agree with that. And that's the last time I 318 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,279 came out here for this franchise, so yeah, he doesn't come strange. 319 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:11,799 Yeah, and like what does Franco do now? Does he have to like 320 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,519 go back to the bridge, And like I think they're gonna hold him accountable 321 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,880 for what happened, but we don't know how fast like they could hold him 322 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,160 accountable. Like I feel like immediately the fallout is that things just start to 323 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,200 deteriorate. It like exactly right, So they I agree, they can't even 324 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,759 hold court sessions and lay blame on him because like just Caesar looks back, 325 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:36,000 he just sees Aaron getting like shot and everything. Cox is there, Like 326 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:42,160 I should have went home. I should have took him with us. Yeah, 327 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,599 I know you're probably right because we've seen like and that's the scary thing. 328 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,079 I know, we're jumping to the end, but with the whole because 329 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,240 seeing this movie post COVID, it's like, man, that's literally like how 330 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:55,559 that happened? Right, If someone gets on a flight they go to this 331 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,079 and that like that idea of this person's sick. First of all, that's 332 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,519 why I have the I love actually the running gag of this neigh or that 333 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,720 he just goes through the fucking shitter and again they make them seem like a 334 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,480 bad person. But like what much to Taylory someone like how we see how 335 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,000 people react at the same time. If I was at my place and a 336 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,720 fucking monkey was standing five feet for my daughter, I'd react the same fucking 337 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,720 way. Get this thing fucking act, especially like now in this even that 338 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:23,119 age twenty eleven, we'd heard multiple stories of people owning chimps and they get 339 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,200 fucked up. You know that was me my whole life on the monkey until 340 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,079 you read it like oh yeah, they're not meant to be there because they 341 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,519 can literally just turn on you in a second. Like that's why it is. 342 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,200 You can build this relationship, but something bad happens and it triggers them. 343 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,279 They can just and they will fuck you up. It's not like Caesar 344 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,000 is Caesar was different, I know, but like he say, oh sorry, 345 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:45,759 I'm experimenting on old timer's and I have there. It's mostly chimps, 346 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:51,599 right, Like they're they're different where monkeys are softer, they're they're much smaller 347 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,079 like little zoboo. But yeah, yeah, like yeah, I like the 348 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,559 one Ross had in Friends. I guess I'd get that one. But still 349 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,119 it's like a raccoon. If they want to fuck you up. I think 350 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,960 it's still fucking I could take a monkey, but a chimp no, no, 351 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:06,599 man fucking me up every day of the week. And they just like, 352 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,039 yeah, when you look at people that have been attacked by them, 353 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:15,200 they just they mangle you. They're dangerous. Yeah, exactly right. So 354 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,000 that thing, like I do, like the running gig, I think they 355 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:22,759 kind of pose it like he's an asshole, but like he's like, fucking 356 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,920 this ape is about to maybe attack his daughter John left goal hits his car, 357 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,359 he gets blood spit on him by this random neighbor because he's like trying 358 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,319 to dealt that. I love all the scenarios that happened to him. But 359 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,079 yeah, that moment when he's sick and his fucking nose is dripped in blood. 360 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,759 But as we've seen, like no, and again probably the person that 361 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,680 you know started doing COVID and whatnot and not start But it's just like that 362 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,640 win in a flight this and that probably didn't know a battle as was like 363 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,119 that was weird to see these years later of like man, like it's just 364 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:53,920 literally that's what happened. Like what Tia sung about that's what happened to us, 365 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,200 Right, we went from like people are getting sick and sprang to like 366 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,319 the world shut down very quickly. So I do believe, like, yeah, 367 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,559 they wouldn't put Franco on trial. I do always have a problem with 368 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,079 because they jump what is it like five years, right, and I in 369 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,319 this movie, Yeah, I just dont three years and then it goes five 370 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,880 years, so it's yeah, you'res total from the time. Yeah, I 371 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,880 don't buy he'd have this ape and no one like that's his fucking job. 372 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,200 And the fact that it never gets out, no one ever hears about, 373 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,880 like he keeps a secret for this long, like I just think for eight 374 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,960 years, and even then he doesn't get like found out, like he tells 375 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,559 his boss the ca've been working on this thing. Like that's the only thing 376 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,480 that feels a little unbelievable to me that he hid this ape for eight years. 377 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,960 He was with the car wash stuff, right, he was in ruin, 378 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,079 Like this is kind of like no one gives a shit about what he's 379 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:45,599 doing anymore because he totally ruined. But he's still he's still working the same 380 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,400 site and he's like, yeah, yeah, I just wish and I get 381 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,720 it because the neighbors. But like I wish they lived somewhere more remote because 382 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:57,400 then you can believe it. But they're in the middle of San Francisco and 383 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:03,119 it just he's literally walking a monkey around in a park like on a leash. 384 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,359 Like I just don't buy that, especially this thing that they're working at. 385 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,960 All timers they shut it down. I think, someone like, hey, 386 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:11,599 like, what's this? Is it Aaron again? What's his name again? 387 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Character? Why am I calling him Aaron? That's not true? Right 388 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:21,039 spot? Will Will run? I don't know. Yeah, Like I'm like, 389 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:22,559 hey, I saw Will the other day. He's walking a fucking monkey 390 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:26,240 around and just go like it's a bit of a leap for me. I 391 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:33,359 agree with that. You some states, Bannet, but some spend states you 392 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,440 just need an exotic for an ape. Yeah, you need an actual permit, 393 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,480 but you wouldn't question if you were his boss here, like they're supposed 394 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,839 to kill these monkeys. Will's never own an eight before all of a sudden 395 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,680 he has this monkey and also those hockey spots. Now though I was like 396 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,279 this boss going there every eight years, I just feel like in eight years, 397 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,480 nobody's gonna really like, no, one's gonna mention like I bumped in 398 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,440 the will and he had a chip, Like I don't know. It just 399 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,759 feels all out of like it's San Francisco is a big city. I mean 400 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,359 it is, but it's just that it's because it's hard for me to buy 401 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:08,039 that amount of time. It's just that, especially it's a it's a billion 402 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,960 dollar program, you know, like it's this thing that like it's so huge, 403 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,559 Like but maybe right, maybe they wouldn't. I just always want to 404 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,680 watch. I find a hard time like how did he hide them? They're 405 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,200 just so out in the open about it. But I think too, like 406 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:25,079 that the after fact, what's that saying like beg for forgiveness or insteant of 407 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:26,839 asking permission, just beg for forgiveness. And that's why I feel like he 408 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,720 did afterwards when he's like, you know, he did this testing on his 409 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,359 dad and he did keep first of all. I think the especially it's just 410 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,480 it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. You don't got a bag, but 411 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:40,480 if you want to beg you can. You know he's going to beg for 412 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,839 forgiveness. Yeah, And the guy thinks it's working right because he's like my 413 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,160 dad. It's yeah, he's good and he sees dollar signs. Right, 414 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:51,319 So yeah, and that's where you see Franco is just kind of like an 415 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:56,519 idiot in the first place. To bring back this experimental drug into your home 416 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:02,240 is like the drug itself, the ape, the drug, the drugs. 417 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,839 Absolutely, he's bringing a monkey. If the thing doesn't work, it could 418 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,920 have attacked the baby monkey makes with Taylor though, Yeah, I'm with Taylor 419 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:18,200 like a baby ape. That's like it is a lot less dangerous. You 420 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,200 know, that's into his hands too, right, Yeah, I didn't know 421 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,599 it didn't throw it works, like, just take it. Those were his 422 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,880 coworkers. Those were someone they hired outside. They did not work at the 423 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,920 thing because remember that guy the like the guy the hair and he gets sick. 424 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,160 They bring him, Yeah, they bring him back so that he doesn't 425 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,000 work there. They're except for like ape handlers and whatnot that are I'm pretty 426 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,880 sure I don't think so, because when they start the program, he was 427 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,960 working in the lab. Yeah he okay, he works there. But I'm 428 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,599 what I'm saying is when that experiment was done, I think he goes away 429 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720 because when they bring the apes back for more tests and they oh, it's 430 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,519 good to have you back, So I think he's the monkeys after that, 431 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,559 but like they hand it. But also that's like they that's illegal. Still 432 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,880 what he's doing, Like I'm with you with the the baby chimp, I'm 433 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,799 with you, but he knows this. We literally had a chimp in this 434 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,640 like the opening of the movie, which is great. I love that they're 435 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,240 having a fucking meeting about the future of Old Timer's all going great, and 436 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,079 then it just cuts to like this ape just fucking everybody up everything, like 437 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,440 terrible timing and John Lithgow, how'd your test go today? Poor will very 438 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,799 really really bad day. But like you're taking this ape, and if you 439 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,839 don't know the drug works, it's gonna grow into a chimp. Even the 440 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,839 girlfriend says that it's like it's gonna get dangerous. So I get taken the 441 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:40,680 baby, but like if that drug doesn't work, fucking he could destroy John 442 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Liftgal. You know you think you think he's gonna put it with Liftgal's shenanigans. 443 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,640 I definitely took it more so like it's just a like they have no 444 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,079 other options, so we'll just we'll just take it and then we'll figure something 445 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,119 out. But then they don't really figure it. Well, I guess they 446 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,240 do figure something out, because it's only like a couple of days. They 447 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:03,839 they see the intelligence right that Caesar's developing, and then maybe right away that's 448 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,680 where Franco has the idea of like, oh wow, like the the drug 449 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:12,640 actually passed down from Bright Eyes to to Caesar here and then like that's the 450 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,200 ongoing experiment. And because his boss basically just axed everything, like you guys 451 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,559 were saying, like he's supposed to not like this ape is supposed to be 452 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,960 dead, right, all the apes that were involved in the in the test, 453 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,599 well, I guess they didn't know that Caesar was even a thing because 454 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,680 what the the mom just had him like in private, Like is that a 455 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,960 thing that the apes could just birth their own child and then just keep the 456 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,759 hush hush like that the god complex Well, no, I don't know, 457 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:48,880 God, that's not a god conflict there they have fucking god complexes? What? 458 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,079 No? There? Well, there was a father in the script, 459 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,319 Okay, so they just didn't show that. So the monkey did get it 460 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,200 on with another monkey. I think that's my thing if I think that is 461 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,559 a true thing of like them hiding it and like feeling very And I think 462 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,440 that's a great reason for the movie too, because you see this ape goo 463 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,240 shit and you know, yeah, you can't trust something. Okay, it 464 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,400 was being protective. So again it's kind of that way of they misjudged it. 465 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,599 But I also don't buy of like these fucking scientists didn't figure out this 466 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,880 ape was pregnant. Like that's like I don't know how long someone search up 467 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640 how long a chimpanzee is pregnant for, because I don't know if it's like 468 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,920 nine months like a you know, like our society or our women. But 469 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,920 that's the thing where I just like it's they are running the most like they're 470 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,759 running tests and all this stuff, and they wouldn't know that she's pregnant. 471 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,599 And that's what I mean. All my big stuff, most stuff are all 472 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,839 the little like nitpicks with the movie. It's not like a, so you're 473 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,799 telling me this thing was pregnant for eight months and they didn't figure this, 474 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,119 Like I feel like that thing where the movie takes watching you fucking puzzles, 475 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,720 they weren't paying attend yeah no blood work, saying oh something's different. Like 476 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480 that's the thing with this movie. I think all the major stuff hits, 477 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,920 well, there's little things when you nitpick it, Like here's a nothing. 478 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,480 I want to ask you guys, like why did John Lifgh go in to 479 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,519 counter that she was probably? I mean, you're right, they could have 480 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,839 done like blood tests and whatnot. But I want to hear this. She 481 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,599 was full on pregnant when they caught her, probably like maybe a couple of 482 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,119 weeks, and then they just yeah, and then started doing like the genetic 483 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,319 like injections and then this happened, right, I would assume. I also 484 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,119 don't know this just like a do they have like a showing like I feel 485 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,480 like if something's growing in you for eight months, like I feel like if 486 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,440 you have chimp experts, fucking people in Colonna Zoo are gonna be that you 487 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640 can tell this bird's pregnant because X, Y and Z right. So it's 488 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,880 like, if these people who are creating Alzheimer's drug can't tell the ape is 489 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,559 pregnant, no wonder why they fucked up this drug. Will Dinachi Panze's exhibit 490 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:36,079 no obvious outward cues of pregnancy? Really that's fascinating. Okay, then I'll 491 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,559 take all that back. I still again will say that I would imagine blood 492 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,880 work and stuff would show somethings off because that happens with humans and everything. 493 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,480 But still, there you go, we're learning about pregnant chips today, folks. 494 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,279 So and I said, I really liked the reasoning of they didn't know 495 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:52,880 why she flipped, because everything's good up to that point. So I love 496 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,480 that. And like I said, it's just funny that that ape just comes 497 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,039 crashing through and was like, no in the cop first thing, no taser, 498 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,319 just besides the fucking dead, this thing with bullets. I like, 499 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,119 I like the reasoning on why she she snapped, but she like is just 500 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:11,200 unpredictable switch. And then they find out that she's just protecting her her infant. 501 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,359 But like, man, if I'm Franco and I'm like, I'm I'm 502 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,400 doing this super important meeting for these investors, I am so fucking pissed that 503 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,799 they even try to move her, like, just don't even interact with her 504 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,759 until this meeting's done. Like if they go to lunch, everybody go to 505 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:27,519 lunch, she almost snaps Buddy's arm and then they're like, hey, we 506 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,599 got to take her out, Like let's get her out of this cage. 507 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,440 Let's get the fucking loop downstairs by now. Man, Oh my god. 508 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,000 I like just in the moment, I'm like, why the fuck did they 509 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,519 even interact with her? Like just do it the next day when everyone's gone, 510 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,799 and like the video that they took her. Today is the day you 511 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,640 just give them a bunch of bananas and you say, monkeys, you chill, 512 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:49,039 you did a good job, and you just leave them like you don't 513 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,440 like now, like now is not the time. They have videos, they 514 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,960 have geene, they have everything they need like they don't. And that's where 515 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,599 maybe to your point, maybe they could have done something where there's like want 516 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,559 to see these monkeys up front, and that's where it's like, hey, 517 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,880 like this this lady monkey is not cooperating and no, we want to see 518 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,200 her and get her out. I think you could have done that other than 519 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,440 just like I'm like, yeah, why are all these people fucking with these 520 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,000 monkeys today? Like today's the day you just sit It's like an eye robot 521 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,359 situation when yeah, and same thing. I would hope that again these people 522 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,640 like wouldn't you give the cops maybe no kill rule, like get them with 523 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,839 and also they're like security, which I guess maybe it's America. They're probably 524 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,359 laced up with guns everything, but still like maybe say, hey, if 525 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:34,680 any these monkeys get out, unless they hurt somebody, can you just like 526 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,400 tas with them? Because what they've broke an arm and that's about it that 527 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,359 she's just kind of running. So but good scene and good I think good 528 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,920 way to like it's a classic movie thing right of like oh, you know, 529 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,400 you're so close and then it's going to go away and you know, 530 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,079 what do we call the kids? For all timers? What do you guys 531 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,359 feel about the boss character as far as a pulp's name here? Actually you 532 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,079 have a Kirk and you have the IMDb. Yeah, I did Jacobs, 533 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,599 Steve Jacob all right. I just feel like it's a play on Steve Jobs. 534 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,839 Very very clever, I guess, which reminded me of like, what's 535 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,240 his name, the guy from Jurassic World, like the new owner of that. 536 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,839 And you know, this is why, this is why I asked, 537 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:22,400 because one of my problems Jurassic World is that movie opens up and it feels 538 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,319 like he's a really cool boss, right, but then further all, yeah, 539 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,200 he's like we're gonna kill this thing, Like I feel like with that 540 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,039 same Jurassic Well tending to this guy, I feel like they couldn't decide is 541 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:35,480 he understanding because at one point he doesn't, like, don't get too personal, 542 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,960 but then when everything goes to shit, he's like, start again, 543 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,640 You'll figure it out, like you're smart guy, And I'm like, oh, 544 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,920 okay. It's like he's a good like he's hard, but he's like 545 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,920 a reassuring boss. But then later on he's like, got these muggy's in 546 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,440 the fucking production. Like I feel like we've had this problem with other Apes 547 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,960 villains where they could not decide is he like friendly with our guy or is 548 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,119 he an asshole? And I feel they made him an assle near the end, 549 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160 just so when cobD pushed him out of the plane, we're like, 550 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,000 yeah, fuck yeah. But like I don't know if deserve that. He 551 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,880 didn't do anything overtly evil in this movie to deserve like a plane death, 552 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,799 you know, Like these Apes all they know is they're riding and they're killing 553 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,599 people or they're hurting people. So I think it for the chimps to get 554 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000 killed in the first place after the test failed like the first twelve yeah, 555 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,039 yeah, yeah, but that's when they went. They were like in his 556 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,279 point of view, if you're just a scientist and businessman, he literally said, 557 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,680 this is costing me millions of dollars, Like it's a maybe, but 558 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,640 it's a fail experiment, right, people do I don't think it's anything. 559 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,440 Like he wasn't like torture them, like he was just like put them asleep, 560 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,400 kill them. Like I'm not saying it's right, but I'm just saying, 561 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,279 like I don't know that they should have maybe made him more overly evil. 562 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:42,920 I don't think he just deserved the helicopter death from Coba. In my 563 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,240 opinion. Well, it's like it's like Batman begins, I'm not gonna kill 564 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,880 you, but I don't have to save you. That's what Coba killed him. 565 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,480 He pushed the thing with his foot. Oh yeah he did push it. 566 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,440 Yeah, that'd be like I'm not gonna kill I'm gonna say the Batman 567 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,400 just fucking threw rosal Cool out the train, like, oh, I don't 568 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,480 have to save you, but I'm gonna kill you. The concrete killed him, 569 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:08,000 not me, Like the CEO was in the in the helicopter to begin 570 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,639 with, Like when he's there, he's like right get there. He's the 571 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,159 leader in for him, and I'm like, why the fuck is this guy 572 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,840 even in this helicopter right now, like with the machine gun police, yeah, 573 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:28,280 chopping down these chimps, but Brian Cox just shooting up too. Yeah. 574 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,000 I mean, I agree with a lot of the points that he said 575 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,159 where he's just kind of flip flopping on his motivation. Like at first you 576 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,840 think that him and Franco have like just a good like buddy relationship, like 577 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:42,039 he's more of the business side, Franco's running the lab, and that's just 578 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,760 the dynamic that they have. Clearly they've been working together for like five and 579 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,199 a half years, I think before before like that's when Bright Eyes dies. 580 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,079 So then we go three years past and then an additional five years and like 581 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,719 Franco's still working there right like amongst that whole time. So yeah, all 582 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,519 that all of that chaos is just like you know, water under the bridage, 583 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,639 Like they've totally moved on past that. And maybe you can make the 584 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,000 argument that because it's been like eight years, that's why he is kind of 585 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,920 like the CEO guy has changed a little bit and he's just really more focused 586 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,599 on the money now. But it doesn't really seem like there is a moment 587 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,360 that makes that switch. It's it. In my opinion, it's just like 588 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,440 not the best writing of that character, that he is just kind of over 589 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,000 all over the place. But like, I guess you kind of need a 590 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,639 character to be like that in this movie of again, like the person with 591 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,239 the money, the one that's running these programs and is looking at it from 592 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,400 the war financial side. But I think I could have also just taken a 593 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,760 couple less scenes with him, because he's not even the movie that much, 594 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,800 and you're already like, yeah, I don't know, Like obviously I don't 595 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,320 need him in the helicopter at the end. That's sure to have like a 596 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,000 dramatic way for him to die. But it's like you need that, I 597 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,000 don't think you like you. I think it benefits Coba in the next movie. 598 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,840 It does, because he is more of a cracedat so but here's the 599 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,320 thing. It's one of those things that in the franchise it works, but 600 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,280 in this particular movie, I'm with Kirkland, where also you could just have 601 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,639 Coba kill him at the facility, right, like the fact that he's like 602 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,800 the second when he looks up at the parking girl like Percade and all the 603 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,119 zips up there, which is great shot. He's just like looking around, 604 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,159 They're all around. You could have him just taken out their kind of because 605 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,840 yeah, it is kind of weird wise in this helicopter, what's he needed 606 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,119 to be doing? So yeah, I see the point. And my favorite 607 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,440 thing too about this movie being five to eight years is these none of these 608 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,039 people look any different whatsoever. Their hair is like it literally is just the 609 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,440 next day, but their hair is the exact same, like every single character, 610 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,440 nothing has changed, So you know, but his personality did, I 611 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,719 guess? So? Yeah, Taylor, were your fan of mister Jacobs. 612 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:52,440 I mean he was just a money hungry, big shot kind of guy, 613 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,559 and yeah, I liked how he was enthusiastic, but he didn't really serve 614 00:36:54,679 --> 00:37:00,320 any major plot devices. Really, I mean, you get to take him 615 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,280 out and you could have had just James Franco still doing what he's doing and 616 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,440 like pretty much the board being the one to make the decision. Yeah, 617 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,760 Like you didn't need this this specific character, uh, but I mean it 618 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,360 is what it is, And like I said, I think he serves Coba 619 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,840 in the future the next film very well and how Coba when a colba has 620 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,599 become But in this one, I agree, it doesn't really do much for 621 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:27,400 the character at this time, just being that that specific target. One thing 622 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,280 I want to highlight on the bridge is I love I love the scene when 623 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,639 just the all the apes are just coordinating and kind of escaping and everything like 624 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,400 that, and just when the mounted police come into play here on horseback. 625 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,320 You have to have some fucking balls to just see a full gorilla, a 626 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,639 full fucking gorilla and charge on horseback. I know you're on a horse and 627 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,400 you feel like you've got maybe a little bit of an advantage. No, 628 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,880 man, not in a million. I'll take the coyote any fucking day. 629 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,159 I'll never fucking charge on horseback to a gorilla. Oh man, damn, 630 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,039 that's the fight you want to take me? And the horses head is just 631 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,239 like decapitated. Yeah, that's the fight. You can one v one a 632 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920 coyote in the woods, or you can fight a gorilla with a horse. 633 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480 You take the coyote. Every time rockets on my horse, like how mounted 634 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:21,039 on? You got metal the ton Yeah, you get like the jow sting 635 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:28,360 sticks and they literally just had Hans just a blood weapon against just fucking cord 636 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,199 and steel gorilla. Yeah yeah, but the grill did die. He didn't 637 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:34,320 meet his end, right, but he got lit up by that turret, 638 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,159 but he did meet his end sacrifice. Yeah, yeah, I seen there. 639 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,239 Heps like they can't swim? E Like, oh, we've talked about 640 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,920 a few times, okay, the Wallberg movie, Right, they really emphasized 641 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,400 that because I feel like I feel like you learned that it's on this podcast, 642 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,400 because I remember scenario me saying that you're like really, and now you're 643 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,800 telling me, hey, he can't swim? Did you know? And I 644 00:38:53,840 --> 00:39:01,119 actually don't know? This is you looking up if they can, especially a 645 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:05,920 gorilla. I don't think there's any like scientific way that they'd be able to 646 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,480 float, which just how much they weigh? Are you trying to say he 647 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,119 should have drove into the water and said it go for the gun, Like, 648 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,000 well, the second that he dives off the bridge, he's dead. 649 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,440 Like even if he lands on the helicopter and it somehow stays up, maybe 650 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,920 you plan him flying it. If he misses the helicopter, like, he's 651 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,639 just dead. Like it's it's a lose lose situation. Couldn't you just imagine 652 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,320 you're one of the people on the ground. You look up, you see 653 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,719 this gorilla in the helicopter flying at the turret. You're just like, oh 654 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,079 my god, it's over moment, just carpet bombing. Case. Caesar did 655 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,960 learn to ride the ape or he learned to ride he definitely, yeah, 656 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,199 but no, he learned to ride a horse this movie. So maybe the 657 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,000 gorilla could have took in that helicopter and like follow me. He hops in 658 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,639 the pilot's seat. Yeah, he's just flying the apes out of San Francisco. 659 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:59,280 Did he get it the gorilla the juice, Yeah, that's okay, 660 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,559 Like I said, distributed to everyone, just not the gorilla. So sure 661 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,360 the gorilla was somewhere else, so I can't like it also seemed like the 662 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,239 gorilla was just like Caesar was able to communicate with the gorilla before they even 663 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:15,000 got the the substance, right, because when he opens up his cage and 664 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:19,000 lets some kind of free room in that little area, crazy like from that 665 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,960 point, like he just has an affinity to Caesar in that like in that 666 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:28,199 moment, because yeah, is the other ape when Caesar like takes him out 667 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,960 of his cage and then like the gorilla is kind of just basically Caesar's bodyguard 668 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,519 getting fucking line. They're just bowling him out of like king leadership and everything. 669 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,000 But yeah, I like that because like he lets him free, right 670 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,079 because the apes is like completely locked up and he can't like even go. 671 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,719 It looks like he doesn't get to do this tree or anything. So right 672 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,920 away he's like, Okay, trust him. But yeah, it looks like, 673 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:57,199 I mean, under normal circumstances they can't. But researchers have video evidence 674 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,920 that apes can learn to swim and die. But I guess that's that's the 675 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,559 girl like kills them all. And then you see him like a nice Olympic 676 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,280 like the buoy and see that humans have because we have a higher fat to 677 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,360 muscle ratio, but we also got webbed uh webbed hands, and then yeah, 678 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,599 they're very single out. Yeah, so it's tough. You can learn, 679 00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:23,960 but definitely not the first day of the facility, they're all that bridge 680 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:29,159 goes down. All these apes are probably done for. So what do you 681 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:31,400 guys think about Will as a character, And we touched on him little bit 682 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,880 about James Franco. I think he's like good enough in this movie. It's 683 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,880 Like, as I said before, I think they lose a bit of steam 684 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,960 of him near the end, and it's not like he's a memorable like, 685 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,960 Oh I love the character will but I think he does the job right because 686 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,159 I think Caesar's the character you end up caring most about it and are interested 687 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,639 in about so he kind of has to be like the straight man to like 688 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,159 the very comedic guy in that sort of sense as far as like Caesar is 689 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,840 the one you always want to get back to and see where James Frank is 690 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,559 just kind of like leading the way, leading the plot and also have nothing 691 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,840 in the girlfriend. She was just there. I'm not gonna even ask you 692 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,320 guys about it. You can throw her in now. But yeah, again 693 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,960 that wasn't wasn't even needed some sort of storyline of it and having a girlfriend, 694 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,159 So no, none at all. Yeah, No, I I liked 695 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,000 him for his usage that he had I I already mentioned. I just really 696 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,480 liked the dynamic between him and his dad and it just shows like a really 697 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:25,760 strong motivation for why he is so passionate about like finding this cure for Alzheimer's 698 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,440 and just actually having success with this drug that they're they're doing, Like you 699 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,679 see that so much, right when the scientist has like a personal motivation for 700 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,079 whatever they're researching, and then uh, and then you got the money side 701 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,760 of like the CEO character. So that dynamic really worked. I liked his 702 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,119 I think his chemistry with John Lithgow too, lit go with Gal with Goal, 703 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,599 Tyler, Trinykiller, whatever the fuck is his name is, same character. 704 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,519 It seemed like he like they they did have like a pretty decent father 705 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,679 son relationship, and it seemed like he was a scientist too, Like beforehand 706 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:09,519 they kind of highlight his like just I guess medical rewards or awards, whatever 707 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:14,559 the hell you call them. His his certificate SiO is his diplomas on the 708 00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:20,960 wall master pianist. He's just shredding on that piano throughout this movie Bolt the 709 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,559 whole time from Soul. You know. So I liked all that dynamic, 710 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,760 but I think I think it would have been maybe a bold decision to just 711 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:35,480 really taper like Franco's character out of it, like early on, like really 712 00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:38,440 not even have him in the movie at a certain point, which is kind 713 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,119 of what they did, but they just they didn't want to go fully in 714 00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:47,719 that direction. Yeah, he did keep popping up and like past I think 715 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,559 the first act, I don't really remember too much of where the second heck 716 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,840 lied, but like it seemed like the first act was Franco's act and then 717 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,480 like from that point we just kind of let him go and h and then 718 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,519 you just at the end like as we were in the third act and it 719 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,719 was just it was just chaos going on with the apes escaping. In my 720 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,159 mind, I'm like, how does Franco just like die or like disappear from 721 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:14,280 this movie? Like I just could not remember it at all. Then he's 722 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,000 just there like on the bridge, says let's see and like just does nothing. 723 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,880 And then he's in the woods, and uh, my favorite two is 724 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,199 the girlfriend's like, oh, I'm gonna distract you, and I understand what 725 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,280 happens because it looks like she's gonna go jump over the rail to like go 726 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,880 around and they're like, no, he can't do that. But like for 727 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,000 a while before they fully zoom out, it just looks like she's gonna like 728 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:43,559 commit suicide jump because like they slowly pan out ter her reveal, Oh she's 729 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,960 gonna get over and like I guess trying to run to where the apes are 730 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,320 but she's just like and they go like, man, man, I just 731 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,679 love that was like you're planning. I get it, but it just was 732 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,760 funny in the scenario. But yeah, just even like how they get this 733 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,440 far on the bridge even at this point, you know, like why like 734 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:05,559 but smart people. I guess right, that's you, Taylor. Oh, 735 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,079 we've talked about Franco, So unless you got nothing to add, we can 736 00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:12,159 move on to Brian Conks. No, No, I don't have much else 737 00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,599 to add from what I've talked about him, just that he's he makes some 738 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:22,159 very bad decisions, but I love seeing how his compassion basically shapes the character 739 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,960 of Caesar going forward for the next few films here, And I think that's 740 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,360 really really awesome. And I do like that there is the little callbacks to 741 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,679 Franco, and maybe not necessarily Franco, but at least the home and the 742 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:42,079 symbolism of just Caesar's room and that the star eye symbol you want to dead 743 00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,000 body hung up on his body. Yeah, that that star symbol you want 744 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:49,679 to keep that keep remember that, Kirkling, because it'll even play a part 745 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,079 in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. So the little window that Caesar 746 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,199 is looking through It's uh, it's has heavy meaning to it, which is 747 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,079 really cool. Yeah, I'm excited to know. I don't even remember the 748 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,199 heavy meaning, so could be lying to you right now. We'll see it's 749 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,400 in the trailer for King of the Planet of the Apes. But I know, 750 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,199 but I'm not saying that he said heavy meaning, so like I don't 751 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,400 want to have a meaning. It's like it's like i'd say, it's equivalent 752 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,000 of like the like the Cross for Christianity, back to back to him rising 753 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:27,559 again, but Caesaro ride on the Rise on Easter. Fuck. Oh, 754 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,519 I was gonna ask this what we're talking about, because yeah, Terry Ray 755 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:35,119 made some bad decisions Franco, because yeah, he literally like he brought on 756 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,280 Yeah, he destroyed the human rays and then brought the monkeys. But why 757 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,039 do you think because left guy gets the stuff and then he starts to have 758 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,079 his memories, he's completely lucid. That's all good, and I'm good acting 759 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,039 there from left goal because that's a hard thing to pull off. So you 760 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,239 get that, and then later on he just gets sick again, like it 761 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,440 goes away. He has the anti body. So they explain that that's all 762 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,760 good. How come. We never got like the like sick like other people 763 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,840 were getting sick. That's what I was curious about. I think it's because 764 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,760 of it's the way it's been injected too. I think it like there's things 765 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,159 can be very different when you have things that are injected or things that are 766 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:19,519 airborne. And obviously this stuff that was fair airborne was yeah, much much 767 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,960 worse. They probably then do you think Franko gets sick later on then because 768 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,360 he was around his dad so much? Because like the like, how did 769 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,679 the how did our original a Pandler guy, he just got sick by just 770 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,280 kind of being around, right, No, the stuff like shot up like 771 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,639 an uncontrolled variant of this sight shot up into his face. But I should 772 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:42,280 you have a lot of people that are immune, and then eventually the virus 773 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,719 mutates and those people that are immune whack. I can't say actually for Kirkland's 774 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,400 benefit, but the original Apes movies, you know, the humans can't fucking 775 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,400 talk. Well he he doesn't know the story behind behind that because yes, 776 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,760 like you know, I don't even want to say that. I gotta be 777 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,480 careful, but like, yes, humanity starts to die out, and this 778 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,400 virus is a cause of it, because you can see that people are dying 779 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,280 because of that. But the next movie does a good job at explaining why 780 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,280 some people are still alive and why the virus didn't kill everyone. And then 781 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,039 the next movie expands upon that even further as puts the file nail on the 782 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,679 coffin to humanity. What's the same as COVID? Right, Some people get 783 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,880 COVID have no effects, just like I got, Like you'd be reading and 784 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,440 you got it, like I luckily never got it. And there's some people 785 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,400 that like when my mom got it, she was fucking just bedridden for four 786 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,800 days and was like was out. And obviously it dependent on your age and 787 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,280 everything too, But like that, I can completely believe where does who knows 788 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,320 with your environment, what you eat, what you intake. Everybody's bodies are 789 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,760 different, So I get that portion, But yeah, I don't remember the 790 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,280 scientific reason explainings behind, But I that makes sense of Okay, if lift 791 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,519 Go wasn't taking it, just like getting injected by his symptoms might be different, 792 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,400 so it wasn't refined either too, right, So clearly I also thought 793 00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,079 maybe it was to do with like the virus had something to kind of a 794 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:04,119 fight against right, like like it was meant to be like a cure for 795 00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,159 Alzheimer's, which Lythgo had. Whereas if you if you don't have something like 796 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,639 that, like maybe it just is affecting you negatively. Yeah, something like 797 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,519 over your body. Yeah, exactly, possibly something like that. They Yeah, 798 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,000 I don't know. They don't go into too much detail as to why 799 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,039 that happens, but I'm excited for the reasonings in the in the future films 800 00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:25,760 here. Yeah, that's one good thing about the APES movies. They do, 801 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,199 like even the original Apes, they'd say they do a good job, 802 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,480 like they never forget the con newty. That's a pro and con. But 803 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,679 I feel like there's you can still watch maybe Apes Moove's outseeing the other ones, 804 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,840 but I feel like you definitely need to have some knowledge what's going on, 805 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,679 so they don't leave stuff in the past. So what else do you 806 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,960 guys have? Anything specifically else characterized moments? I think the Caesar when he 807 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,719 speaks the first time scenes really well done. I think it's a good build 808 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,400 up. He hits us with the classic Ape No you know now it's just 809 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,639 become a meme. But uh, there's there's the bright eyes his one being 810 00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,440 called bright eyes really like that, and then there's some stuff of like I 811 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:04,639 didn't need Tom Felton giving us to get your hands off me Dan Dirty eight 812 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,920 like that. That's when I was like dropped a couple of those classic lines 813 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,679 right because he dropped the mad House line too, So I wish they pulled 814 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,440 back on that one. But that's okay. And I like the scenes in 815 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,480 general of the apes bonding and like it's not I mean like, oh, 816 00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:21,239 I like the apes gain tortures doing like I think they did a good build 817 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,480 up of showing these apes being shitty, having a bully mentality, uh like 818 00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,719 a hierarchy, but then have them like combining because they meet this one eight 819 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,599 that kind of shows them a different way. And I think it's done much 820 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,920 better than conquests, like we talked about before with the head and no and 821 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,119 the you know nose, Like I think this was a much more natural. 822 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,920 Okay, the apes are combining and then they get fucking all juice, So 823 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,320 I love the scene the next eight of my Mouth. Bully comes in and 824 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,679 they're all just quiet, they're just sitting down, they're just watching him, 825 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,519 and you must like like fuck, like what's going on? In these ephes 826 00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,920 are usually a little rambunctious. So I like all the eight bondings either talking 827 00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:58,000 that stuff at the center there, So what what do you do? Excuse 828 00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,960 me, your your Brian Cox's character. You're I'm just kidding. You're leaving. 829 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:07,760 Well that's what I do. I fucking let him up. You're leaving 830 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,960 the enclosure for the night. But as you are leaving, you look out 831 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,360 through the door and you see them then like an assembly, and then you 832 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:21,159 you don't and looks at you and then turns back and does oh, And 833 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,639 then all the apes together and they like I'd be fucking panicked. Man, 834 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,719 oh man, that's a little nitpick I had. Yeah, like come on 835 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,719 now, like I don't know what you do, but you definitely don't be 836 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,079 like, well, go on to bed, don't leave your son there alone. 837 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:42,800 Like yeah, I liked all of the the bonnie moments that the apes 838 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,280 had. I thought they did a good job at explaining, like Caesar's turn 839 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,480 and how it just like hurt he felt from just being abandoned, right like 840 00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:54,960 especially even just like he's clearly more intelligent than like an average pet. But 841 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:59,239 then he starts to just see like the similarities between him and like you know, 842 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,719 the dog that was barking at him, and like he's on a leash 843 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,239 too, and it just doesn't really seem fair in that sense. There's obviously 844 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,880 like that that classism that's going on between Like he's intelligent, He's probably more 845 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,159 intelligent than most humans at this point, right, especially when it's like eight 846 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,719 years total, so I guess he's he's eight years old there. And yeah, 847 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,480 no, I I thought all that was really good. And I like 848 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,360 the like the trust hand thing that he had going on with uh with Franco. 849 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,480 It happens a couple other times in the movie, So all of that 850 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,440 stuff I really really liked. And yeah, like again just just really transitioning 851 00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:40,320 from his home being at Franco's house and then to where like his home is 852 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,159 just with the apes and he is like the one rallying the troops by the 853 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,719 end and you know, makes them smarter. I like his dynamic with the 854 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,639 Orangutang. I believe the rankang is the reoccurring character throughout the whole the whole 855 00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:58,000 series moving on, So I'm excited to see how that develops. And so 856 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,199 much nicer here than playing the apes of my assholes. Later on, you 857 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,480 know, so, oh yeah, fucking what's his name? Zero? It's 858 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:08,840 not zero? Is it zi? Zious? Fucking zious? Maurice would hate 859 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:16,400 SIUs so so pessimistic. Yeah, I I you guys already talked about that 860 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:21,800 pilot guy, the neighbor, But he's actually a character that plays I feel 861 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:22,880 like a dick kind of in other roles too, because he's in Star Getting 862 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,000 Atlantis and that's where I first saw him when he was in When he was 863 00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:29,320 in the I thought, man, he's just playing the same character kind of. 864 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,440 He's always got the same face. He's always like scared mad at the 865 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:40,199 same time, but like frightened mostly. Yeah. Yeah, let me look 866 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,199 up my notes here if I got any other shoutouts. Did you catch the 867 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,760 I'm sorry if you guys already mentioned this. Did you catch the space stuff 868 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,440 that's probably in the trivia Travis has the space stuff? No, I didn't, 869 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,000 but we talked about it at the saw the mini post credit, right, 870 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,880 Yeah, yeah, I saw them, and then like you see you 871 00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,599 see like the shuttle launching. I know there's the newspaper article, Yeah, 872 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,000 getting close to Mars whatever the name of the ship was for you. So 873 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:12,280 it's interesting too, of like, because I think you're right Taylor as far 874 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,400 as the world's shutting down, But I guess it doesn't shut down that fast 875 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,199 because at the same time Taylor goes, and that makes sense because the world's 876 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,280 going shit. But then they do send Brent after the considerably smaller man, 877 00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:28,519 and it's like, I just like in the middle of COVID, like when 878 00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,840 at its height, they weren't concerned of like, oh, we have to 879 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,679 send another person to Mars or whatever. Right, So that's one thing I 880 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,679 will say it doesn't track a little bit, is like if it does, 881 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,320 who knows, maybe we'll just fucking died in prison. We might be discounting 882 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,519 that they might arrested him and you might die there. But I feel like 883 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,239 they wouldn't. Why would they I get why Taylor would go because the world's 884 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,639 fine, but why would they send another astronaut the world starts to go to 885 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:52,519 shit? Right? Well? Concerned do we know that they sent another Astronautmy 886 00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:59,360 maybe this this woman asked whatnot was on that initial mission? Right? Well, 887 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,519 you know I'm saying, but that's what I'm saying. If people take 888 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,159 it as this as a prequel, if they do that then it's not a 889 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,679 prequel anymore. Then Rise Plant Apes is so timeline. That's what I'm thinking. 890 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,920 I feel like it's its own timeline. I really don't like them. 891 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,519 No you want I mean you could get Taylor in there still, he could 892 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:16,960 be on the crew or I don't even need No, I don't need Taylor. 893 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,320 I just mean I need to get to like the ending point is planning 894 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,320 the apes, like we know things have changed, like bad dogs and cats 895 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,039 didn't even die in this timeline, right yeah, not yet though, right 896 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,880 so no, but but no, because because remember when the dogs and cats 897 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,079 die, and even then we look at how the creation of Caesar was totally 898 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,840 different and that timeline Caesar was a prodigy from the future and in this he 899 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,760 was well by human. Yeah, the Caesar changed. The Caesar thing I'm 900 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,159 fine about because it's much like God, where everybody has their own version of 901 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,400 it. Right, there's not like a clear cut out like many religions believe 902 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,519 in different things about God. That's where Caesar, it's like if he is 903 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,239 a godlike figure, Jesus figure, I could see something being like we know 904 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,239 he did this. He did this, like his stories so larger than life 905 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:08,400 and because are there cats and dogs in the sequels. I think he sees, 906 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,400 but we know too, like even if the cats and dogs aren't there, 907 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,079 we know that that's changed where they didn't take apes as pets. Yeah, 908 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:21,360 which is fun. But it's funny though because remember in the original plan 909 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,280 apes, that story that origins out there. It's the sequels that brought it 910 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,159 in, right, So maybe you could yes, well, yeah, and 911 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,719 in the original it's not there, and yeah, yeah, you're right, 912 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,199 But I mean you could just say it's just to bring that in, But 913 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,559 then you have Cornelis and Zero saying that's what happened in their original timeline too, 914 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:43,039 right when they're being in for it. So it's probably not but that's 915 00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:45,960 okay. But yeah, no, so they went out there and yeah, 916 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,719 Charleston Nesson's up there getting ready to land and fuck nova, he's good time 917 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,760 to leave Earth. I guess you know everything's going to ship. So all 918 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,159 right, let's bring up some Oh I brought up there's a great moment where 919 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,199 I brought up I'm going to bring up chance Franko when he's at the court 920 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,880 hearing or not, like he's whatever, what will that place we called when 921 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,199 the lady's telling what's gonna happen. Here's your court date if you want to 922 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,239 appeal to get the d I don't know what it is. It's some sort 923 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,760 of legal office. But he's like, he's like, I'm not I want 924 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,519 it to be like his case like moved up into court hearing. He's like, 925 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,519 I'm not gonna move till it happens. And then she's like, oh 926 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,039 sorry, and then she just closes the window. I just picture, like 927 00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:29,400 imagine just weeks later, he's still just standing there while she's like gone home 928 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,280 and everything. But it was just so funny, like it was he's making 929 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,039 a big deal, but literally she just like closes her site for the day 930 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,559 and it's done, like nothing happens of it. So I was like, 931 00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:42,840 yeah, you're gonna you're gonna have ninety days that we get decision, and 932 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,920 then we're gonna mail you, which will probably be like fucking two weeks or 933 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,599 however a lot of takes to get stale mail. And then he's like, 934 00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:50,840 this is where you're gonna do. You're gonna go on your computer. You're 935 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,360 gonna give me a date for this week's Yeah, I know, it's not 936 00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,960 my problem. Gonna eat my grilled cheese man. So that's good stuff. 937 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:05,559 Let's see. One of the first movies to use motion capture and on location 938 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:10,239 setting prese motion capture was limited. Special studio set up special motion capture cameras 939 00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:14,960 in a very clear, defined surrounding. So they're as circus is usual, 940 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:16,239 playing with like moving forward. This is the first time. It's okay, 941 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,159 we're gonna do you know, circus in location, not like with golm with 942 00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:24,360 there's lots of k This is specifically made or set King Kong example. So 943 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:30,400 Caesar's speaking voice was produced by as sound as I Chuck Chuck Michael, who 944 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,920 mixed sounds of a fully grown males chimp vocalizations and recorded at Chimp Haven with 945 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,840 any circus voice, which I do like. It's not just like that's something 946 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,360 where you talk about originals versus this. They just have human voice to coming 947 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,119 out of apes, right. I like that there is like an ape kind 948 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:52,199 of echo or baltude and stuff. So I like that. Move Bright Eyes 949 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,559 is given her fizzy drink and a Gator Greater Gator great Gator raid bottle. 950 00:58:55,639 --> 00:59:00,280 Holy fun. Try and say that three times fast. During the research for 951 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,360 the film, a director, Rupert White, learned that chimpanzees love sugar, 952 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,519 and gay rayed is often one of their favorite drinks. So there you go. 953 00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:12,360 So they're also fucking hyped up all the time. There's sugar in their 954 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,559 veins. So you do one thing. They just sweat and commercials. Let's 955 00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:22,800 me do those commercials with the apes. Let's see here, the movies first 956 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,920 installment to feature another great ape species. Besides chimpanzees, grills and orangutans, 957 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,199 Coba, the scarred lab abe, and some apes in this facility are bono 958 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:39,639 booze. The species was assumed, thank you very baboo. That sounds a 959 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,920 good drink. Give me one of those bonta boos. You've had enough, 960 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,960 bright eyes, Give me a and then tore part now. The species was 961 00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:52,880 assumed until very recently to be a species of chimps, explaining its absence in 962 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,760 the previous film. So I guess throughout the history thought oh, it's just 963 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,280 another chimp, but now they've seen that, No it was not, So 964 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,519 there you go. Ah, let's see here. There were long debates on 965 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,920 whether or not Caesar should bite Hunsker's finger. The neighbor Rugbyer chose not to 966 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,639 have the finger come off, because it felt like it turned the audience against 967 01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:15,239 Caesar too much, which I kind of agree with it. He is animalistic, 968 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,880 but I think in one who knows what their rating board would have gave 969 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,079 him, but I think that's probably the right call, just to give him 970 01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,639 a nip instead of taking the whole finger. You know, I disagree he 971 01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:28,960 wanted it fully off. Yeah, he's a chimp, Like if a chimp 972 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,480 bites my finger, it's fucking coming off. It's not. He's a smarter 973 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:37,639 chip. So again, oh man, Yeah, I guess they got a 974 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,719 PG thirteen rating, so I'm not sure if you guys saw this. But 975 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,000 on the television you can see Charlton Heston in his role in the Agony of 976 01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:50,280 Ecstasy, so there is fifth appearance and apes movie, so that's cool bringing 977 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,239 it back. The first scrip, originated in two thousand and six, is 978 01:00:54,239 --> 01:01:00,719 a completely unrelated project Genesis, which I guess I don't know if that was 979 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,039 just like the working nameer was planning these. Genesis sent it around an evil, 980 01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,639 genetically engineered chimpanzee that was raised at a human home, was very smart 981 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,679 but spoke only in sign language. So I feel like, there's definitely aspects 982 01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,320 there, like the raise at home stuff like that. But I wonder where 983 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,400 the evil thing came from because we raised it at home. Did that mean 984 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,760 it's like a bad will he was an asshole? Or did was he just 985 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:23,400 like? Which? I think this is good because I feel like the home 986 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,519 of the neighbor, that's the story. Yeah, collecting fingers too. He's 987 01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,000 got like a necklace of just fingers he's collected. Yeah, Which this is 988 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,440 the approach I like because like I said to me, with Caesar, the 989 01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:37,159 legend of Caesar, you canna take any other way. I feel like many 990 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,760 people would have just looked at oh, well Caesar in the original movies, 991 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,280 he's like their god that took over. So let's just make them an evil 992 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,960 eighth that just fucks everybody up, Like I like the version war of Seeing 993 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:50,360 the Even if he does become like an evil dictator, it's like, well, 994 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,559 there's lots of reasons why that happened, right, So I think they 995 01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:59,599 were good to pass on Genesis. Whatever happened there before James Franco assumed the 996 01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:04,559 role. Uh his fellow co star from Spider Man to McGuire, was considered 997 01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,840 but left when a deal involving the script became him in the studio involving the 998 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,400 script between him and the studio fell through. The rumors for this is that 999 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,800 McGuire had it. It was his movie, because these rooms go back a 1000 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,199 long time. I was on line dB boards. He had the role. 1001 01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:22,840 So they met with him, they liked it to McGuire, Get da Da 1002 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,800 Da, And then apparently like the next week or next time they met, 1003 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,119 he had the script and he came back and he had like notes upon notes 1004 01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:34,480 upon notes of like what he wanted changed, and they apparently they tried to 1005 01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:36,880 hash it out and then it just fell through and then it went to Franco. 1006 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,960 But that's the word that he came in. Let's do it genesis genetically 1007 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:45,119 enhanced. Yeah, and I'm gonna be a fucking dick to him. He 1008 01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,639 said, I can't wait. I'm gonna push Andy around so much. Yeah. 1009 01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,199 Yeah, I'm gonna beat the ship at any circus on this movie. 1010 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,679 Can we ready? But yeah, that was the rumor that he just came 1011 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,719 back with a bunch of notes and they're like, we're not we're not changing 1012 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,800 this. And not to say extent, but there's rumors like that happens with 1013 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,920 Edward Norton a lot too with projects and then see where he just likes a 1014 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,440 lot of creative stuff, and so yeah, I don't know if it would 1015 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,719 have made a like it sounds like it would have made a difference because it 1016 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:12,599 would have been a lot of different and who knows that could have been it, 1017 01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:14,400 right, Maybe some little scripts were just like, hey, why is 1018 01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:17,199 my character didn't disappear like throughout half the movie? Like maybe that was it, 1019 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,440 but they were probably like, we want to focus on I could see 1020 01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:23,840 Toby being like wanting to be a Toad McGuire project, where they want to 1021 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,119 be a Caesar project, which you're both write to think like that, right, 1022 01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:30,440 told McGuire's still coming off like twenty eleven Spider Man three was only four 1023 01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,519 years ago, Like he's still like a star at that point, because I 1024 01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,199 could see him being like, I don't want to fucking just disappear throughout the 1025 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,519 movie. But yeah, they they went different routes, So I would have 1026 01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,599 loved it, though, Get tobyen an Apes movie. I think we've got 1027 01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:45,599 some good memes out of that. Oh yeah, yeah, someone should deep 1028 01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:49,599 fake that to a deep fake of Will with Tobe McGuire and I'm sure nowadays 1029 01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,960 they probably wish they got McGuire. But he should put like deep fake or 1030 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:57,599 revise that scene. Or he's in his car, put him on the bridge. 1031 01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,000 The the apes like this car's mother fucker, get out the way. 1032 01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:15,039 I can't see the car. So motherfucker was the best man, what a 1033 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:18,280 legend, get out the way. I can't see your cars a motherfucker. 1034 01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:23,000 Uh for the role Stephen Jacob. Some people that were considered Jamond Huntsu, 1035 01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:26,599 Jamie Fox, and Iris Elbaw so you go. I don't think Jamie Fox 1036 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,840 ever would accept that. I don't like he would have he's holding out for 1037 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,519 that Toby script. That's yeah, me to Toby. He has the news 1038 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,960 script for me. Like I think Jamie Fox have be in the same way 1039 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,400 of like I'm gonna come and do three scenes like I don't know. Uh, 1040 01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,719 let's see Christopher Walking, Tim Conway, and Robert England were all considered 1041 01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:49,079 for the roles Charles Rodman so Jim Cool, Yeah, that would have been 1042 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:53,280 fun. I'm glad. As much as I love walking and I'm somebody that 1043 01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:56,679 I think I'm in the minority, I actually like walking and doing because I 1044 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,679 feel like that fits the Emperor to be like a little like different. I 1045 01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:00,679 don't know. I would have liked walking in this one. I feel like 1046 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,360 he could have. There could have been some comedic beats. Man. Imagine 1047 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,159 the movie. This guy's perfect, but imagine me we got Christopher walking with 1048 01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:13,679 Toe McGuire. Fuck man. I actually do want to see that, Jamie 1049 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,559 FOXX, fuck. I would love to see that movie. Oh and then 1050 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:24,280 for John Landau, two people that were considered were Michael Douglas and Danny DeVito. 1051 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,639 I'm very happy they went Brian Cox. And I just feel like Dany 1052 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,639 Vito is Brian Cox's character. I just light him up. Yeah, da 1053 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:38,199 killing Jim Franko in the forest. I just think Dan Vioe he's kind of 1054 01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,480 reached that point for me now where I can't see any like serious roles now. 1055 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,559 So I think that would have been after the Oscars, right, No, 1056 01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:48,360 even before that. I think it's it's always sunny. Oh, him 1057 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,920 and Arnold they did a skit it's really good. You should watch you where 1058 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,440 they get on stage and they're talking with the Oscars and they I don't only 1059 01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:58,000 start talking about but they talk about Batman and they talk about how they hate 1060 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:00,000 Batman because he beat them and he killed them in the movies. And then 1061 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,639 they cut into the crowd. It's Michael Keaton and he's like making a Bruce 1062 01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:05,199 Wayne face and it's so good, and I was like, there he is 1063 01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:10,920 that son of a bitch. Michael Kean's like, he's like bringing on it's 1064 01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:14,320 really really good stuff. But no, I think it's probably the Vito and 1065 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:15,679 it's always sunny. I don't watch the show, but I see enough of 1066 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,639 memes and stuff where it's like it's just too comedic for me. Now DeVito 1067 01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:21,360 and that's good. It's working for him, right. People love him on 1068 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,599 that show, but I think he didn't need to be the ape handler here. 1069 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,039 So yeah, uh yeah. I enjoy the movie like it have a 1070 01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,079 few nitpicks. There's a few things where you go, oh, that doesn't 1071 01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:34,079 make the most sense, And like I said, some of the human stuff 1072 01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:38,880 maybe falters near the end. There's some stuff that maybe it's more ape stuff, 1073 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,400 which I get the budget or maybe some other things, but at the 1074 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,079 same times, maybe those things weren't good. So where it is, where 1075 01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,440 I'm at is what was like happening at the movie. I'm an eight at 1076 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,960 ten on it. I guess I'm excited, see because I figured I got 1077 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,440 a few of the movies that are like an eight seven point five, so 1078 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,920 I'll have to when we rank them and do that episode, really sit down 1079 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,800 and go, Okay, what do you like and not like? But I 1080 01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,199 think it is better made than a lot of the especially the back half movies. 1081 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,320 So but yeah, I enjoyed it. I like watching this one. 1082 01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:06,920 I don't go back to as much as the other two coming up, especially 1083 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,199 don I feel like don I've definitely just put on like, oh I gotta 1084 01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:13,199 watch this. So but yeah, still really good movies. I think like 1085 01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:15,760 there are a couple stinkers, but for the most parts, as we get 1086 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,199 through these, like for how many films what they have, it's like eight 1087 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,159 nine. Like I think the Apes have a pretty good track record of quality 1088 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,159 for movies that you know, go to eight nine, it can get pretty 1089 01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,119 dicey. So that's where I am. I'm a eight out of ten on 1090 01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:35,400 the Rise of the Plan of the Apes. Uh yeah, I think I 1091 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,239 think on this one there is a couple of things to nitpick. A couple 1092 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:45,880 just characters popping out and just disappeared for a little while and then coming back 1093 01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:50,039 and just a couple of nick nitpicky things. But I feel like the main 1094 01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:55,079 pillars that make this movie what it is are are strong, in my opinion, 1095 01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:58,800 enough to kind of make me look past some of those issues. And 1096 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,559 I was very cue just coming into this one, because it had been a 1097 01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:03,760 very long time since I've seen the like the sorry, since I had seen 1098 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,880 it for the first time, and I was just like, is it gonna 1099 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,280 hold up as much as I really thought it did? Is there gonna be 1100 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,480 like some of the the A Handler stuff that's just really cringey and it's just 1101 01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:16,720 kind of hard to pass it on. But No, it totally holds up. 1102 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,640 And Yeah, I had a really fun time jumping into this one and 1103 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,079 can't wait to move forward. And the other ones. I think I'll give 1104 01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:28,199 it. I was thinking like eight, eight and a half. I thought 1105 01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:30,079 it might be bold to do like eight and a quarter. I don't know 1106 01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,399 if I've ever rating before, so I think I'll do it here. I 1107 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,800 think I'll do it here. Eight and a quarter. Nice that first eight 1108 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:42,840 points and five there tearfield end us off. Yeah, I'm gonna give oh, 1109 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,159 it's gonna pay to five. Oh, yeah, you're right with a 1110 01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:46,920 quarter. I misjudged that. Oh yeah. I don't think anyone's ever given 1111 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:54,720 eight point two five. I know, at least monkst this new trilogy where 1112 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,439 film. I know that it would have been better if we had Toby. 1113 01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:03,159 This would have been walking. Yeah, we walking, man, you seem 1114 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:09,399 oh yeah and d o fuck that would have been the Gorilla or something. 1115 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,880 Yeah, God damn, I'm with you, Travis. I'm gonna go in 1116 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,680 eight out of ten. I think that there are some things that that really 1117 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,760 work for me in this movie, and some other things that really don't. 1118 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,119 And like I said, I know where I put it in this trilogy, 1119 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,399 and we'll get we'll get to that down in the world when we do our 1120 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,600 rankings. But I just for me, this is this is a good enough 1121 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,000 stepping stone and it just gets better from here. And that's that's why I'm 1122 01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:33,319 excited. I'm really excited. I mean, I've enjoyed all these movies in 1123 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,960 their own way. Like I said at the beginning, there's the nostalgia factor 1124 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,640 for the originals, even the Mark Wahlberg one. I have some weird reservation 1125 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,640 for that that I just I hold on to it and it's just unique in 1126 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,880 its own right. So but this is definitely my my getting into my more 1127 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:55,880 favorite and preferred story narrative of the Apes universe. So yeah, oh there 1128 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,479 you go. We'll be back soon with Dawn of the Plan the Apes, 1129 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,840 Matt Reeves first venture into this. Lots of things here, and yeah it's 1130 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,720 considered a very big one so and yeah it's Crookland's first time viewing, so 1131 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,840 it's gonna be a fun time. So we will be back. Also, 1132 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,840 I forgot to mention too, Tayor you guys said something, but oh you 1133 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,760 said portray your own race? How come Fox never did like an avatar planing 1134 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,079 the Apes, you know, like fucking Jake Sully with his crew lands on 1135 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,600 Apes planet. You know, i'd watch the Nobby versus the Apes when you 1136 01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,600 I'd be down for that. But I mean, they wouldn't. They wouldn't 1137 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,399 verse each other. They just team up, right, they'd be well first 1138 01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,720 of course, right, and then they have and then they team up. 1139 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,920 Yeah, I want to see you again. What's his Cultridge? That's his 1140 01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:40,000 name, right, what's his name, Kittridge or whatever? What's his what's 1141 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,279 like? You can't what's his like? You portray your own race. What's 1142 01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:47,279 like, Oh, Corrige Coorage. Yeah, I'd love to see him for 1143 01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,680 some fucking monkeys. I'll love man. Give me de fake version of him 1144 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:58,199 interact with Charlton Heston. Fuck, like the conversations those two would have Heston 1145 01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,439 and New the Apes movie. It's not a bad that's not a bad poll. 1146 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,760 Actually, Like if you were looking at what we talked about doing a 1147 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,880 cast like that, like that wouldn't be a bad tailor. I think he 1148 01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:09,840 has some of that Macheese molly as some of that, Like I could see 1149 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,000 him reading those lines. You just gotta hear what his laughs like, you 1150 01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:18,159 know, soft soft, that's just what he's like when they first land, 1151 01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:26,920 then dropping to his buddies. All right, we'll be back with Don plan 1152 01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:28,800 Apes next time and it will not be boring.