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Alejandro? I am good? How are you? My friend? Um?
Great? Great? Happy New Year to you. Happy New Year.
And hey, this is the night that the History Channel is coming out with
Project blue Book tonight. Then a few hours. Yes, so very exciting.
I'm really bummed I was invited this is so cool by Paul Heineck to
go to his house and watch it tonight. But I just couldn't get out
there. How amazing would that have face? Well, I know to watch
the premiere with the son of the guy who's in there, and I did
mention, you know, I talked to him about if he was one of
the kids that's in the show, because in the show, you know,
Heinech and Mimi, his wife, are this this young family and they do
have I think a kid and a baby so far in the show. Now,
eventually he had several kids, but Paul, I guess was not born
or he was a baby at the time when all of at least what's portrayed
in the show is a Scott or Joel that is portrayed in the show,
I can't remember. I can't remember. I know those are the two older
brothers. Yeah, so that's probably both of them. That's probably the kid
in the baby. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm excited about it and
and it's I think there's going to be all. I had someone contact me
saying, Hey, we're gonna get a bunch of UFO reports probably tomorrow and
move on out in Chicago. Sam. I think, so, um,
you know there this happens. If they mentioned move On is what it comes
down to, because people have to know that there's someone to report too.
So there's Karen in the background there, yes, but um, and that's
the issue is that a lot of times people don't know who to report too.
And we've talked about this before, but a lot of times people mentioned
at the sidings have dropped, I argue, and I think that the numbers
show it that it's it's not so much that people are seeing less. It's
that during a period of time while the mal move On had at their own
television show, you know, the sighting, reporting skyrocketing because people knew where
to report to. But now that that show's gone, the replays are kind
of it's not being shown on replay very much anymore. People are forgetting are
just not knowing where to report UFOs. And so as a field investigator,
when I used to do that work for a move On, we used to
hear that all the time. You know, I just didn't know where to
report. And in fact, if you ask most people out there, you
know, did you report your UFO siding if they tell you about one,
and I'll say, I guess I didn't know I could. That's right,
I gotta tell you real quickly. I was at a bagel a bagel place
in my new location, Rockland, Maine, up on the coast, and
my lady friend with me was wearing a move On hat and the guy behind
the bagel counter said, you know, I had a sighting, and he
ends up telling me this amazing sighting, so so amazing, you know,
missing time, the whole works that I'm inviting him over to the studio.
I'm going to have him in one of the shows. But I have the
craziest settings I've ever heard in made this guy had, so that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, Karen likes to do that. I would just walk by.
I mean, she likes to where UFO Congress sweaters or T shirts.
And sometimes we do get people coming up and asking, yeah, hey,
you know I had a sighting. Is you know what's it's all about?
Or sharing their sighting? But the same thing you just said, he didn't
He couldn't think of where to report it and never reported it. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I understand that, because that's I had my sighting.
I never thought about anything online. First of all, I don't know why,
but I just didn't occur to me. In two thousand and six.
You know, oh yeah, exactly, that's what happens with people. So
that's what it has to be now. Luckily, you know, I was
gonna say getting into UFO news, really blue Book, Project Blue Book is
the big UFO news right now. There's not a lot, and there hasn't
been in the last few weeks. It doesn't seem like a lot of UFO
news, but there have been a lot of new stories and they're all tied
to Project Blue Books, so which is really exciting because it looks like,
you know, if I look at some of these places that are writing at
X, places like Live Science, Geek, wiir Um, Bustle, Hollywood
Reporters, so these are all bigger, they're all writing stories. Here's the
Yakima Herald, some deef Geek, yes, and I was going to mention
that as well, Chicago Sun Times. So there are a lot of media
writing UFO stories because of the Project Blue Book show coming out, which is
probably due to, you know, the great outreach that they did. They
reached out to you and I and you're right, I got to write a
couple of articles at denif Geek and I definitely would recommend them and here's here's
at the angle. I took first of them. One of them's a preview
because you and I got to stick for couple of episodes, and so it's
around this idea. You know, some people have been complaining that it's not
exactly accurate, So I kind of tackle that, which is it's true,
but I tackle some of the points and how it's not accurate, but how
some things, although maybe not fact by fact accurate, are accurate in the
sense that they're kind of portraying an accurate setting, you know, the atmosphere
and how people like the Air Force. There was no Captain Quinn like in
the move in the show, but Captain Quinn does very well at representing kind
of this negativity and this kind of mystery and is he trying to debunk everything
because he thinks there's nothing to it or is there something more behind this?
And you know, you get that sense. And then Aidan Gillen, who
you know in the show he comes in in nineteen fifty two, whereas in
reality he joined the Air Force doing this in nineteen forty eight. But the
character that that Aidan Gillen is portraying is kind of, you know, more
open minded, than Heinek actually was in the beginning of his investigations in UFOs
with the Air Force. And so you get this real sense of this pure
kind of open minded curiosity, is what I called it in my preview.
And I think that it's very endearing and at least for me. And I
think you said the same. You know, you're really attracted to you really
like this guy as the hero going through and trying to figure this stuff out.
Yes, yeah, I think I think. Um, I like his
portrayal of the character a lot better than Malarkey's portrayal of the captain. Um
it's I like Malarkey's portrayal. But I want to hear why you don't like
it. Um, I think it's now this is my only criticism of the
show when it's and it was brought up to me by someone else. And
then I started thinking about it, and I watched the six Verse six episode
the screeners that I was able I mentioned than the last show that I was
very fortunate to be able to watch that it's a little it's a little clunky.
It doesn't it's not to me, it doesn't seem like really natural.
You know, maybe maybe I'm not Mularkey doesn't seem natural. It doesn't seem
like the way he's just fluffing it off like it's nothing. And the interaction
between him and Heinik I didn't think was like a real connection. But by
the sixth episode, I think it's a little more natural. But I noticed
that in the first the first few see and that's what I think is accurate
about it. They're meeting for the first time, they're getting to know each
other. Malarkey or Captain Quinn is tasked with kind of debunking everything and making
sure that this scientist, you know, comes up with mundane conclusions. But
he's not, so he's got to rain in this scientist. At the same
time, his superiors are telling him, you know, hey, you've got
to shut this, you know, any idea that there's any mystery here down,
And so he's kind of in the middle. And I thought that that
that was interesting, and I know that's going to evolve over time, but
Malarkey and it's kind of funny. Another comment, uh someone did on the
Open Mind GUFO group on Facebook was that he didn't act cocky enough, and
he acts very cocky. I thought I thought he was very cocky. Yeah,
but this guy was saying that, you know, Air Force pilots are
extremely cocky, so you know that is a good point because of the pilots
that I've known. Yeah. Yeah. But my other article on dennif Geek
is an interview with Malarkey, and what was really interesting was talking to him
about, you know, his thoughts on Blue Book and kind of how his
research into his character and into Project blue Book in particular, which is great.
Him and the show writer that David O'Leary who we got to talk to
um have read Rupelt's book and Captain Rupelt he was the guy who ran Blue
Book for a period of time and it's it's the most important book, probably
an uphology estimate of the situation. And they both read that book and it
was really eye opening for Malarkey that to him, you know, it proves
that there is definitely something to the phenomena, that there was a cover up,
and that although he kind of feels for the Air Force, probably partially
because he's playing this role in that, you know, how are they supposed
to handle this? It's a difficult thing to handle. So that's the other
interview that I have out there. But a lot of people writing about UFOs
kind of in their area, but a lot of news about how you know,
there's real UFO research that used to go on. So that's the beauty
of this this program, even regardless of you know, the drama or how
we feel about kind of how the characters interact or other things, is that
it's bringing awareness. In fact, I wrote in my article, even if
it's strayed from the truth dramatically, it would still it's still entertaining. I
think it would still bring awareness to the situation. But to you know,
Project Blue Book. But I think it's gonna not be as bad as something
people are fearful of, right as far as strength from the truth. Hey,
in a conversation I had with a U followed just a while ago,
I was talking about would RuPaul and um. He said that at the end
he decided there wasn't anything to the UFO phenomenon. Did you well, what
had happened is that he wrote his book and in the end he was kind
of on the fence. He was saying, you know, could there possibly
be something to this? And when you read about some of the cases like
Washington, DC or some of the other cases that he really goes over in
detail. You know, there's no answer, and he's saying that, you
know, we debunked all of the potential answer. So, for instance,
in nineteen fifty two Washington, DC, the General Sandford, he came out
and said, this was a weather in version. That's why they saw these
things on radar. But they had already debunked that. They had already determined
no, that was not the case. So in the book he's really arguing
that there are many cases that were unsolved and mysterious, and so that was
kind of the conclusion. Well, he came out with another volume soon after
the book came out, and this one was had this weird kind of conclusion
where he's saying, however, I think that all of this stuff can be
explained, even the ones we haven't been able to figure out. So there's
probably nothing too mysterious to the whole UFO phenomena. So he was much stronger
on a skeptical side in that second book or a second update. The question
is why did he do that? What does he really feel? We don't
know, because unfortunately he passed away at a young age not too long after
writing that second edition and just changing that end of it, So we don't
know how he really truly felt or why he you know, kind of changed
things up there. It seems that there was certainly, at least anecdotally,
a reaction that the Air Force wasn't happy that he had written this book and
that they had maybe influenced him, maybe just peer to peer saying hey man,
you're making us look good. Can you kind of fix that up a
little bit? And he said okay, And did it, you know,
for his buddies or something. But yeah, well yeah, yeah, we'll
never know. Yeah, anything else going on? Or is that about it?
Now? The only other thing I wanted to talk about is this Roswell
program real quick? Are you talking about the one Ryan Sprig and you both
you were involved in as well? Right? Yeah, I will actually thinking,
yes, yeah, thanks. I helped produce this thing, so I
helped them put it together and figure out some ideas how to do something for
Roswell. Of course Roswell is an old story, but yeah, so I
worked with them the whole time, and actually I suggested Ryan Spreak because I
love Ryan's break. I suggested a whole list of people, but luckily they
did choose someone and they chose Ryan, who of course is great. So
yeah, so this is really fun. It was just going to be a
piece that was going to go online, but they liked it so much that
they are going to show it January tenth. That's Thursday, so look at
your local listings. It'll be on CW. It's called Roswell Mysteries Decoded,
right, So I haven't even seen a final cut of it, so I'm
going to see it along with the rest of you on Thursday, but it'll
be online once it it airs, and then I'll definitely be sharing that in
social media and open Mindset TV. And this is a perhaps a pilot for
something that may or may not maybe, So it's a it's a UFO investigation.
And I've been working with this production company for a while. They're into
UFOs and they want to do some some serious UFO investigation type television programs and
uh so we've been shopping some stuff around and CW did ask them, hey,
we would like something on Roswell because they've got this new Roswell, New
Mexico television show coming up, which is a reboot of kind of that high
school romance drama Roswell television show and so um yeah, so they wanted to
update to their The Roswell Mystery essentially, and that's what we put together.
Like I said, it was going to just be online, but luckily they
are going to be doing it on the air. Excellent. All right,
all Hundrew, Hey, well thanks so much, and yes, thank talking
next week, right, Yes, we'll talk next week. And I want
to plug at least your appearance on my show. We did a point of
review and h that was posted today and that was a lot of fun as
usual. Yes, I did mention that last week. So check out Open
Minds dot tv. And it's myself and the great Lee Spiegel and the great
Alejandro Rojas talking about what happened in twenty eighteen. And I mispronounced a few
words and got some just a couple. Yeah, all right, you have
a good one. All right, you two, all right, talk to
you next week. See yeah, all right, everyone. So our guest
tonight we have Kyle Laverne and he's a regional editor of the Williamson Daily News
and Logan Banner and south western Virginia and he resides in Mingo County and that
borders eastern Kentucky. And he's been a longtime newspaper and radio journalist in his
community and has won awards for newspaper columns, articles, and photos. And
he's had a lifelong interest in the UFL phenomena. He actually had some things
happened when he was young. He's a UFO researcher and historian and he's published
two books on the subject, Appalachian Case Study, UFO Sightings, Alien Encounters,
and Unexplained Phenomena, Volumes one and two, and they're available on Amazon.
And so that is who we have on tonight, and welcome to the
show. Kyle. Well, glad to be on. Thanks for having me.
Yes, and I had a guest lined up for this week and you
were gracious enough and then he had to reschedule. So you're gracious enough to
agree to beyond and I really do appreciate that a lot. Well, I'm
glad can be on your show. Had been on a talk show in a
while, so I'm glad to get back in the flow of things and talk
about some UFOs. I was listening to you earlier. Like you said,
I think the reports have been down a little the last few months, but
I looked for an uptake in twenty nineteen. Yeah, I think that very
well could be. It'll be interesting to see what happens. And so you
are in what can you just kind of explain what the newspaper is where that
the coverage is of that in particular. Yeah, I'm in the southwestern West
Virginia. We're like eighty miles south of our state capital of Charleston, and
eighty miles south of Huntington, where probably heard of Marshall University. We're located
Mingo County. We border Pike County, Kentucky. If I'm at my office,
I could go out and look and i can see Kentucky. Even though
I'm from West Virginia, We're that close. So I've always grew up right
here on the border of southern West Virginia eastern Kentucky, right in the heart
of Appalachia, the coal fields. It's nicknamed the heart of the Big Indollar
coal Field because of the coal mining industry. You know, we're in the
same area where the famous hat film McCoy feud was fought, like fifteen minutes
away from that. Uh. You know a lot of a lot of history
like that. You know, Daniel Boone came through here, some of the
early history. So it's a it's a pretty neat place, a small town
Williamson. It's got about population of about three four thousand. A sister newspaper
logan banner about the same, Like I said, railroad, mining, industry,
tourism, fishing ATVs and that kind of thing. A beautiful country,
very sparsely populated though, once you get out of the rule of the city
areas, if you want to call a city and uh, you know,
it's a it's a great little town. Grew up here and has definitely been
some sightings in this region over the years too. Yeah, send up.
You had mentioned to me and I actually read a little bit where you've actually
had some sightings. Do you want to talk about the sightings and how you
know? Is that how you got interested in the topic? Yeah, yeah,
that's sort of spurned my interest. First sighting. I can really remember.
I was like eight or nine years old. I was sitting on the
front porch in the summer evening with my parents and my sister she's a little
older than me, and it wasn't quite dark. It was late evening,
very hot human summer or evening, and as I say, we're right on
the border and we just happened to notice, looking at a mountain that was
probably a couple hundred yards away from our home, three glowing disks that came
over that mountain and they just hovered there for it seemed like five minutes,
you know, I mean, we were a little scared, also mesmerized.
You know, we watched those and then they were gone and just a split
set. And you know, of course, at that time, this was
in the mid sixties, we you know, we didn't know who to report
him to or who to talk to about it. Ironically, a couple of
years ago, I was doing some research and you mentioned Project blue Book coming
on tonight on the History Channel. There was a report that same evening to
the original Project blue Book that somebody saw something similar in Kentucky just a little
ways, probably an hour before we saw our sighting. So I thought that
was sort of ironic. Yeah, I know, So that gave me proof
that it did happened, because I talked to my sister and she doesn't really
remember it. My parents had passed away now, but I know it happened.
And you know, it was, like I said, young, but
as I got a little older, I still was started. I was interested
in the subject. Anytime I would see something on TV or read it in
the newspaper, I'd always want to, you know, into it. You
had the nineteen seventy three flap or wave of sightings on the eastern coast of
the United States. I was in high school at that time, and you
know, I was really interested in because you didn't hear much in mainstream media
during that time about UFOs, but you were hearing about this because there were
so many sightings. I mean, police officers were chasing UFOs and people were
seeing them all over. You know, if you've done your research, you've
probably heard about it. So every evening I was going out looking, hoping
to see something. And I just happened to be in the backyard with my
neighbor or a friend of mine, and we looked up and sure enough we
saw UFO, probably a couple hundred yards up above his backyard, over the
mountain tree top level multi colored lights, round disc shape UFO. Again,
We're mesmerized. We called for his mother and she came out and she saw
it, and I'm sure other people saw it too. So, you know,
that was the last sighting I had until two twelve, ironically, I
had published my first books, and one day I went out to lunch from
work at the newspaper where I work, Williamson Daily News. I usually don't
take that long, but that day I took a little longer because my wife
had an appointment. Then I took her to that and then I come back
into the office and then like my co workers like, where are you being?
I said, well, I took a long Once they said, well,
the phone's been ringing off the hooks. People were calling, said there's
a UFO over this area. I thought they were joking, because you know,
I get a little riving from time to time. On that. They
said, no, really, it's you know, we've gotten calls and they
were asking for you. So I said at my desk and said, wow,
okay, sure enough, the phone rings. It's another lady that calls
from the west end of our town here in Williamson. She says, I
know you're interested in this subject. You know you've written the books. I'm
looking into UFO right now. And I was like, you've got to be
kidding. So I said, what you know? Where what part of the
sky? She told me. So I go out and right across the street
from US is a automotive tire repair shop. All these guys are standing there
there looking at the same UFO. I go across the streets. Sure enough,
I look, we see the UFO, which I sent you a picture
of that earlier and it turned out, yeah, you can put that up.
It turns out that there was probably hundreds of people that ended up seeing
this UFO from the Pike Wall and Virgie, Kentucky area of Pike County over
here to the Williamson area, probably in about a fifty mile sixty mile radius,
hundreds of people. My phone blew up that day and the next day
everybody that saw this UFO. So you know, that was my latest sighting
and that just was this amazing to see that, and the fact that there
were so many other eyewitnesses to that case. And so that's a little bit
of my background as far as my personal but where I did have the as
you say, the journalism background. I was working with another journalist who started
a small publishing company a few years ago, and he had done a book
about ghost sightings. So one day we're having launch and I said, what
do you think about doing a book about UFOs? He's like, what do
you mean. I said, well, you know, I've been interested in
that. I've got a few stories. You know, I'd written for a
magazine a few years ago and I'd save those and he said, well,
let me think about it. He did a little research and they said,
well, they say these most books do pretty well. Let's try it.
So he published my first book. It did really well. I said,
well, hey, I've got enough to do another one. So we did
volume two, as you mentioned, the Appalachian Case Study UFO Sightings Alien Encounters,
and I explained Phenomena published by Woodland Press, a little small publishing company
here in southern West Virginia. And so, you know, then my name
started getting out there. I started getting people contact me with other stories.
Yeah that's yeah, yeah, yeah. I go do book signings. People
would come up, hey, you know I had a signing, or yeah,
you know, my friend had a signing. And it's amazing how many
people come up, and like you said earlier, they just don't know where
to report these or who to call or who to talk to. So you
know, you mentioned it to them about mouf on. Uh. I've got
a Facebook page with a friend of mine that the people can report UFO signings
in their neck, which we can talk about that a little later. Yeah,
but I'll shut up and let you ask some more questions. Well,
actually we're ready to go to a break. Um, so okay, great,
Yeah, I'm on with Kyle Laverne and this is Martin Willison Podcast UFO
and we'll be right back right after these messages. Kyle. When you first,
let's let's talk v We have these three minutes to talk about. Okay,
more or less another subject. We'll go back into talking more. But
the first sighting that you had, Um, you mentioned at these three how
the three lights? I believe you said, and you said it disappeared.
Do you mean when you said it disappeared, do you mean that it took
off really faster or did you see him like go out or how can you
explain how how that happened? Yeah, it just seemed like we you know,
that they just disappeared. We don't We're not sure if they just you
know, took off fast or they just disappeared. It was just like they
were there one minute and the next second they were gone. So it wasn't
like we saw him speed off, you know. Yeah. Yeah, there's
there's a lot of there's a lot of things sightings that I hear about that
are either either do take off really quickly or all of a sudden just vanish.
And that includes people are seeing an actual structured craft and they see advantish,
which is really fascinating to me in many ways. Let's see, Um,
someone wanted to know the in the chat room over there at YouTube.
They wanted to know if that the sighting that you saw. I'll bring up
the picture again. Um. The people on YouTube, um that they wanted
to know if it was cigar shape? Would you would you consider that a
cigar shape? Um? Yeah, probably in a UFO lore maybe cr shape.
But it was almost like I described it as as fluorescent lights, a
couple of fluorescent lights. That's what I remember. They were like almost like
a light on each side and then and then clear exactly. Yeah, And
they were And what was amazing about it is that they stayed there for a
long time. And then I also, I've talked about this before, what
I noticed is all of a sudden, I started seeing these kim trails come
by, like jets were flying by, you, I mean contrails. Were
they military? Yeah? I said well, I couldn't tell if they were
military jets or not, but it was obviously something flying close by. And
I went out to another area of the county that was higher elevation to try
to get a better look. At the time I did that, it was
gone. But we can talk about that too now. The elevation, Um,
I know, we only have a we have less than a minute left
here. The elevation is so hard to tell, and especially the most contrails
that people see are from you know, thirty to forty thousand feet up.
Do you think this was up that high? Excuse me? It was pretty
high. Yeah, I do. And there was an amateur astronomer, which
I'll mention his name's Allen Appling, the school teacher that got some video of
it, and it's on YouTube. It's a really good video. All right,
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