1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,319 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:06,879 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,080 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:18,039 our heads. Classics also really standing into clearly. He turned over it to 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:25,800 my father and held his hand and he looked in his eyes. And welcome 6 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:30,320 to podcast UFO for our live show. During the show, feel free to 7 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,479 participate live in our chat room, and don't forget to like us on our 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,960 very active Facebook page. Well, many of you are wondering if that dog 9 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:43,679 barking in the intro is part of the intro. No, that's not, 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,679 and hopefully the dog will get a milk bone or something and settle down and 11 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:53,079 that won't happen again. But welcome to the show on Martin willis your host, 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,600 and this is our live show Podcast UFO. Happy New Year to everyone. 13 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:02,119 This is bad. We're back on regular schedule here and I'm glad to 14 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:06,079 be and I hope everyone has a great two thousand nineteen. We have some 15 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:10,920 really awesome shows lined up coming up, and I want to thank everyone that 16 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,400 helps out with the show. And you can check out our website, podcastufo 17 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:19,000 dot com all that informations over there. Occasionally we get blogs we are looking 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,480 for a blog. We've had a few people send some blogs our way. 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,079 We are looking for more. I had. I definitely get emails. I 20 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,879 respond to some of my emails saying are you interested in writing blogs? Because 21 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:37,400 you just wrote me a fifteen page email that I'll never read personally. I 22 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:41,319 might have a voice to texting read it for me. But anyway, I 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,280 have a little bit of add going on. I cannot read those big, 24 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,680 huge, huge, humongous emails, but I do appreciate them anyway. And 25 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,480 so, and if you would like to get in contact with me, all 26 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:59,840 that information the contact informations over at podcastufo dot com. And that's it for 27 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:04,200 me. I'm going to get my guest, Alejandro Rojas. How are you, 28 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:07,680 Alejandro? I am good? How are you? My friend? Um? 29 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:10,599 Great? Great? Happy New Year to you. Happy New Year. 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,039 And hey, this is the night that the History Channel is coming out with 31 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:23,400 Project blue Book tonight. Then a few hours. Yes, so very exciting. 32 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:29,080 I'm really bummed I was invited this is so cool by Paul Heineck to 33 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:31,000 go to his house and watch it tonight. But I just couldn't get out 34 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:36,240 there. How amazing would that have face? Well, I know to watch 35 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,520 the premiere with the son of the guy who's in there, and I did 36 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,479 mention, you know, I talked to him about if he was one of 37 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,759 the kids that's in the show, because in the show, you know, 38 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:51,520 Heinech and Mimi, his wife, are this this young family and they do 39 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,240 have I think a kid and a baby so far in the show. Now, 40 00:02:55,479 --> 00:03:00,520 eventually he had several kids, but Paul, I guess was not born 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,680 or he was a baby at the time when all of at least what's portrayed 42 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:10,479 in the show is a Scott or Joel that is portrayed in the show, 43 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,360 I can't remember. I can't remember. I know those are the two older 44 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,439 brothers. Yeah, so that's probably both of them. That's probably the kid 45 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:23,159 in the baby. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm excited about it and 46 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,240 and it's I think there's going to be all. I had someone contact me 47 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,439 saying, Hey, we're gonna get a bunch of UFO reports probably tomorrow and 48 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,759 move on out in Chicago. Sam. I think, so, um, 49 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,439 you know there this happens. If they mentioned move On is what it comes 50 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:44,520 down to, because people have to know that there's someone to report too. 51 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:53,360 So there's Karen in the background there, yes, but um, and that's 52 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:55,520 the issue is that a lot of times people don't know who to report too. 53 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:59,879 And we've talked about this before, but a lot of times people mentioned 54 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,120 at the sidings have dropped, I argue, and I think that the numbers 55 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,960 show it that it's it's not so much that people are seeing less. It's 56 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,680 that during a period of time while the mal move On had at their own 57 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,560 television show, you know, the sighting, reporting skyrocketing because people knew where 58 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,920 to report to. But now that that show's gone, the replays are kind 59 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,240 of it's not being shown on replay very much anymore. People are forgetting are 60 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,480 just not knowing where to report UFOs. And so as a field investigator, 61 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,040 when I used to do that work for a move On, we used to 62 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,120 hear that all the time. You know, I just didn't know where to 63 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:39,759 report. And in fact, if you ask most people out there, you 64 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,319 know, did you report your UFO siding if they tell you about one, 65 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:45,079 and I'll say, I guess I didn't know I could. That's right, 66 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,439 I gotta tell you real quickly. I was at a bagel a bagel place 67 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,879 in my new location, Rockland, Maine, up on the coast, and 68 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:59,720 my lady friend with me was wearing a move On hat and the guy behind 69 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,920 the bagel counter said, you know, I had a sighting, and he 70 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,040 ends up telling me this amazing sighting, so so amazing, you know, 71 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,959 missing time, the whole works that I'm inviting him over to the studio. 72 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:15,879 I'm going to have him in one of the shows. But I have the 73 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:19,560 craziest settings I've ever heard in made this guy had, so that's cool. 74 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,040 Yeah, yeah, Karen likes to do that. I would just walk by. 75 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,680 I mean, she likes to where UFO Congress sweaters or T shirts. 76 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,759 And sometimes we do get people coming up and asking, yeah, hey, 77 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,399 you know I had a sighting. Is you know what's it's all about? 78 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:34,680 Or sharing their sighting? But the same thing you just said, he didn't 79 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,480 He couldn't think of where to report it and never reported it. Yeah, 80 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,120 yeah, yeah, I understand that, because that's I had my sighting. 81 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,319 I never thought about anything online. First of all, I don't know why, 82 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:48,439 but I just didn't occur to me. In two thousand and six. 83 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:53,120 You know, oh yeah, exactly, that's what happens with people. So 84 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,839 that's what it has to be now. Luckily, you know, I was 85 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:59,800 gonna say getting into UFO news, really blue Book, Project Blue Book is 86 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,920 the big UFO news right now. There's not a lot, and there hasn't 87 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:06,160 been in the last few weeks. It doesn't seem like a lot of UFO 88 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,319 news, but there have been a lot of new stories and they're all tied 89 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:15,199 to Project Blue Books, so which is really exciting because it looks like, 90 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:17,720 you know, if I look at some of these places that are writing at 91 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:25,399 X, places like Live Science, Geek, wiir Um, Bustle, Hollywood 92 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:29,160 Reporters, so these are all bigger, they're all writing stories. Here's the 93 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,600 Yakima Herald, some deef Geek, yes, and I was going to mention 94 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,879 that as well, Chicago Sun Times. So there are a lot of media 95 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,519 writing UFO stories because of the Project Blue Book show coming out, which is 96 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,680 probably due to, you know, the great outreach that they did. They 97 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:50,439 reached out to you and I and you're right, I got to write a 98 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:56,279 couple of articles at denif Geek and I definitely would recommend them and here's here's 99 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,319 at the angle. I took first of them. One of them's a preview 100 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,560 because you and I got to stick for couple of episodes, and so it's 101 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,439 around this idea. You know, some people have been complaining that it's not 102 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,240 exactly accurate, So I kind of tackle that, which is it's true, 103 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,720 but I tackle some of the points and how it's not accurate, but how 104 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,079 some things, although maybe not fact by fact accurate, are accurate in the 105 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:28,120 sense that they're kind of portraying an accurate setting, you know, the atmosphere 106 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,360 and how people like the Air Force. There was no Captain Quinn like in 107 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:34,959 the move in the show, but Captain Quinn does very well at representing kind 108 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:41,199 of this negativity and this kind of mystery and is he trying to debunk everything 109 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,079 because he thinks there's nothing to it or is there something more behind this? 110 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:48,439 And you know, you get that sense. And then Aidan Gillen, who 111 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:54,439 you know in the show he comes in in nineteen fifty two, whereas in 112 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,680 reality he joined the Air Force doing this in nineteen forty eight. But the 113 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:05,360 character that that Aidan Gillen is portraying is kind of, you know, more 114 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:11,040 open minded, than Heinek actually was in the beginning of his investigations in UFOs 115 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:15,199 with the Air Force. And so you get this real sense of this pure 116 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:20,959 kind of open minded curiosity, is what I called it in my preview. 117 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,680 And I think that it's very endearing and at least for me. And I 118 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,040 think you said the same. You know, you're really attracted to you really 119 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:33,480 like this guy as the hero going through and trying to figure this stuff out. 120 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,799 Yes, yeah, I think I think. Um, I like his 121 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:43,440 portrayal of the character a lot better than Malarkey's portrayal of the captain. Um 122 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,360 it's I like Malarkey's portrayal. But I want to hear why you don't like 123 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,120 it. Um, I think it's now this is my only criticism of the 124 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,039 show when it's and it was brought up to me by someone else. And 125 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,000 then I started thinking about it, and I watched the six Verse six episode 126 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,960 the screeners that I was able I mentioned than the last show that I was 127 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,440 very fortunate to be able to watch that it's a little it's a little clunky. 128 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:13,360 It doesn't it's not to me, it doesn't seem like really natural. 129 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,799 You know, maybe maybe I'm not Mularkey doesn't seem natural. It doesn't seem 130 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:24,559 like the way he's just fluffing it off like it's nothing. And the interaction 131 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,480 between him and Heinik I didn't think was like a real connection. But by 132 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,240 the sixth episode, I think it's a little more natural. But I noticed 133 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,320 that in the first the first few see and that's what I think is accurate 134 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,519 about it. They're meeting for the first time, they're getting to know each 135 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:46,120 other. Malarkey or Captain Quinn is tasked with kind of debunking everything and making 136 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,039 sure that this scientist, you know, comes up with mundane conclusions. But 137 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:54,279 he's not, so he's got to rain in this scientist. At the same 138 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,200 time, his superiors are telling him, you know, hey, you've got 139 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,240 to shut this, you know, any idea that there's any mystery here down, 140 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,159 And so he's kind of in the middle. And I thought that that 141 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,480 that was interesting, and I know that's going to evolve over time, but 142 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,799 Malarkey and it's kind of funny. Another comment, uh someone did on the 143 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:20,320 Open Mind GUFO group on Facebook was that he didn't act cocky enough, and 144 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,919 he acts very cocky. I thought I thought he was very cocky. Yeah, 145 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,679 but this guy was saying that, you know, Air Force pilots are 146 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,039 extremely cocky, so you know that is a good point because of the pilots 147 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,759 that I've known. Yeah. Yeah. But my other article on dennif Geek 148 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:39,559 is an interview with Malarkey, and what was really interesting was talking to him 149 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,360 about, you know, his thoughts on Blue Book and kind of how his 150 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,679 research into his character and into Project blue Book in particular, which is great. 151 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,120 Him and the show writer that David O'Leary who we got to talk to 152 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,720 um have read Rupelt's book and Captain Rupelt he was the guy who ran Blue 153 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,399 Book for a period of time and it's it's the most important book, probably 154 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,240 an uphology estimate of the situation. And they both read that book and it 155 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:15,960 was really eye opening for Malarkey that to him, you know, it proves 156 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,320 that there is definitely something to the phenomena, that there was a cover up, 157 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,120 and that although he kind of feels for the Air Force, probably partially 158 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,080 because he's playing this role in that, you know, how are they supposed 159 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,159 to handle this? It's a difficult thing to handle. So that's the other 160 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,000 interview that I have out there. But a lot of people writing about UFOs 161 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,440 kind of in their area, but a lot of news about how you know, 162 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,720 there's real UFO research that used to go on. So that's the beauty 163 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:52,639 of this this program, even regardless of you know, the drama or how 164 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:58,200 we feel about kind of how the characters interact or other things, is that 165 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,320 it's bringing awareness. In fact, I wrote in my article, even if 166 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:07,039 it's strayed from the truth dramatically, it would still it's still entertaining. I 167 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:11,240 think it would still bring awareness to the situation. But to you know, 168 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,200 Project Blue Book. But I think it's gonna not be as bad as something 169 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,519 people are fearful of, right as far as strength from the truth. Hey, 170 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,279 in a conversation I had with a U followed just a while ago, 171 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,159 I was talking about would RuPaul and um. He said that at the end 172 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,840 he decided there wasn't anything to the UFO phenomenon. Did you well, what 173 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:41,360 had happened is that he wrote his book and in the end he was kind 174 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,480 of on the fence. He was saying, you know, could there possibly 175 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,960 be something to this? And when you read about some of the cases like 176 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,320 Washington, DC or some of the other cases that he really goes over in 177 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,000 detail. You know, there's no answer, and he's saying that, you 178 00:12:56,039 --> 00:13:00,799 know, we debunked all of the potential answer. So, for instance, 179 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:05,840 in nineteen fifty two Washington, DC, the General Sandford, he came out 180 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,799 and said, this was a weather in version. That's why they saw these 181 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:13,720 things on radar. But they had already debunked that. They had already determined 182 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,440 no, that was not the case. So in the book he's really arguing 183 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,080 that there are many cases that were unsolved and mysterious, and so that was 184 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,840 kind of the conclusion. Well, he came out with another volume soon after 185 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:33,159 the book came out, and this one was had this weird kind of conclusion 186 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,919 where he's saying, however, I think that all of this stuff can be 187 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:39,559 explained, even the ones we haven't been able to figure out. So there's 188 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:46,279 probably nothing too mysterious to the whole UFO phenomena. So he was much stronger 189 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:54,279 on a skeptical side in that second book or a second update. The question 190 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,759 is why did he do that? What does he really feel? We don't 191 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,320 know, because unfortunately he passed away at a young age not too long after 192 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,120 writing that second edition and just changing that end of it, So we don't 193 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,080 know how he really truly felt or why he you know, kind of changed 194 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,360 things up there. It seems that there was certainly, at least anecdotally, 195 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,360 a reaction that the Air Force wasn't happy that he had written this book and 196 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:26,360 that they had maybe influenced him, maybe just peer to peer saying hey man, 197 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:30,320 you're making us look good. Can you kind of fix that up a 198 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,679 little bit? And he said okay, And did it, you know, 199 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,759 for his buddies or something. But yeah, well yeah, yeah, we'll 200 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,879 never know. Yeah, anything else going on? Or is that about it? 201 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,879 Now? The only other thing I wanted to talk about is this Roswell 202 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,320 program real quick? Are you talking about the one Ryan Sprig and you both 203 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,440 you were involved in as well? Right? Yeah, I will actually thinking, 204 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,200 yes, yeah, thanks. I helped produce this thing, so I 205 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:05,559 helped them put it together and figure out some ideas how to do something for 206 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,679 Roswell. Of course Roswell is an old story, but yeah, so I 207 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,720 worked with them the whole time, and actually I suggested Ryan Spreak because I 208 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:18,720 love Ryan's break. I suggested a whole list of people, but luckily they 209 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,240 did choose someone and they chose Ryan, who of course is great. So 210 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,519 yeah, so this is really fun. It was just going to be a 211 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,320 piece that was going to go online, but they liked it so much that 212 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,399 they are going to show it January tenth. That's Thursday, so look at 213 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:39,519 your local listings. It'll be on CW. It's called Roswell Mysteries Decoded, 214 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,679 right, So I haven't even seen a final cut of it, so I'm 215 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:46,919 going to see it along with the rest of you on Thursday, but it'll 216 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,200 be online once it it airs, and then I'll definitely be sharing that in 217 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,600 social media and open Mindset TV. And this is a perhaps a pilot for 218 00:15:56,799 --> 00:16:02,360 something that may or may not maybe, So it's a it's a UFO investigation. 219 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:04,399 And I've been working with this production company for a while. They're into 220 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:11,559 UFOs and they want to do some some serious UFO investigation type television programs and 221 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,159 uh so we've been shopping some stuff around and CW did ask them, hey, 222 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,759 we would like something on Roswell because they've got this new Roswell, New 223 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:23,799 Mexico television show coming up, which is a reboot of kind of that high 224 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:32,360 school romance drama Roswell television show and so um yeah, so they wanted to 225 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,399 update to their The Roswell Mystery essentially, and that's what we put together. 226 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,759 Like I said, it was going to just be online, but luckily they 227 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,039 are going to be doing it on the air. Excellent. All right, 228 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,720 all Hundrew, Hey, well thanks so much, and yes, thank talking 229 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,720 next week, right, Yes, we'll talk next week. And I want 230 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,720 to plug at least your appearance on my show. We did a point of 231 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,759 review and h that was posted today and that was a lot of fun as 232 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,799 usual. Yes, I did mention that last week. So check out Open 233 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:10,839 Minds dot tv. And it's myself and the great Lee Spiegel and the great 234 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:17,160 Alejandro Rojas talking about what happened in twenty eighteen. And I mispronounced a few 235 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,640 words and got some just a couple. Yeah, all right, you have 236 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:23,599 a good one. All right, you two, all right, talk to 237 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,200 you next week. See yeah, all right, everyone. So our guest 238 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:36,640 tonight we have Kyle Laverne and he's a regional editor of the Williamson Daily News 239 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:42,400 and Logan Banner and south western Virginia and he resides in Mingo County and that 240 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:48,519 borders eastern Kentucky. And he's been a longtime newspaper and radio journalist in his 241 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:53,000 community and has won awards for newspaper columns, articles, and photos. And 242 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:59,079 he's had a lifelong interest in the UFL phenomena. He actually had some things 243 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:03,880 happened when he was young. He's a UFO researcher and historian and he's published 244 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:11,039 two books on the subject, Appalachian Case Study, UFO Sightings, Alien Encounters, 245 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,799 and Unexplained Phenomena, Volumes one and two, and they're available on Amazon. 246 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:22,200 And so that is who we have on tonight, and welcome to the 247 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,279 show. Kyle. Well, glad to be on. Thanks for having me. 248 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,039 Yes, and I had a guest lined up for this week and you 249 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:36,519 were gracious enough and then he had to reschedule. So you're gracious enough to 250 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:40,839 agree to beyond and I really do appreciate that a lot. Well, I'm 251 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:45,160 glad can be on your show. Had been on a talk show in a 252 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,960 while, so I'm glad to get back in the flow of things and talk 253 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,720 about some UFOs. I was listening to you earlier. Like you said, 254 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,960 I think the reports have been down a little the last few months, but 255 00:18:56,079 --> 00:19:02,240 I looked for an uptake in twenty nineteen. Yeah, I think that very 256 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,559 well could be. It'll be interesting to see what happens. And so you 257 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:14,759 are in what can you just kind of explain what the newspaper is where that 258 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,559 the coverage is of that in particular. Yeah, I'm in the southwestern West 259 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,240 Virginia. We're like eighty miles south of our state capital of Charleston, and 260 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:33,079 eighty miles south of Huntington, where probably heard of Marshall University. We're located 261 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,519 Mingo County. We border Pike County, Kentucky. If I'm at my office, 262 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:41,759 I could go out and look and i can see Kentucky. Even though 263 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,319 I'm from West Virginia, We're that close. So I've always grew up right 264 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,160 here on the border of southern West Virginia eastern Kentucky, right in the heart 265 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:55,119 of Appalachia, the coal fields. It's nicknamed the heart of the Big Indollar 266 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,319 coal Field because of the coal mining industry. You know, we're in the 267 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:06,640 same area where the famous hat film McCoy feud was fought, like fifteen minutes 268 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,200 away from that. Uh. You know a lot of a lot of history 269 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,000 like that. You know, Daniel Boone came through here, some of the 270 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,880 early history. So it's a it's a pretty neat place, a small town 271 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,839 Williamson. It's got about population of about three four thousand. A sister newspaper 272 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,519 logan banner about the same, Like I said, railroad, mining, industry, 273 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,200 tourism, fishing ATVs and that kind of thing. A beautiful country, 274 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:38,319 very sparsely populated though, once you get out of the rule of the city 275 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,960 areas, if you want to call a city and uh, you know, 276 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:49,279 it's a it's a great little town. Grew up here and has definitely been 277 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,519 some sightings in this region over the years too. Yeah, send up. 278 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,640 You had mentioned to me and I actually read a little bit where you've actually 279 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,200 had some sightings. Do you want to talk about the sightings and how you 280 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,079 know? Is that how you got interested in the topic? Yeah, yeah, 281 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,799 that's sort of spurned my interest. First sighting. I can really remember. 282 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,880 I was like eight or nine years old. I was sitting on the 283 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,599 front porch in the summer evening with my parents and my sister she's a little 284 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,599 older than me, and it wasn't quite dark. It was late evening, 285 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:32,440 very hot human summer or evening, and as I say, we're right on 286 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,200 the border and we just happened to notice, looking at a mountain that was 287 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:45,799 probably a couple hundred yards away from our home, three glowing disks that came 288 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:49,240 over that mountain and they just hovered there for it seemed like five minutes, 289 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:53,599 you know, I mean, we were a little scared, also mesmerized. 290 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:59,680 You know, we watched those and then they were gone and just a split 291 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,799 set. And you know, of course, at that time, this was 292 00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:06,559 in the mid sixties, we you know, we didn't know who to report 293 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:11,599 him to or who to talk to about it. Ironically, a couple of 294 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,599 years ago, I was doing some research and you mentioned Project blue Book coming 295 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,960 on tonight on the History Channel. There was a report that same evening to 296 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:30,119 the original Project blue Book that somebody saw something similar in Kentucky just a little 297 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,799 ways, probably an hour before we saw our sighting. So I thought that 298 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,880 was sort of ironic. Yeah, I know, So that gave me proof 299 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,720 that it did happened, because I talked to my sister and she doesn't really 300 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,640 remember it. My parents had passed away now, but I know it happened. 301 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,079 And you know, it was, like I said, young, but 302 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,039 as I got a little older, I still was started. I was interested 303 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:56,920 in the subject. Anytime I would see something on TV or read it in 304 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,680 the newspaper, I'd always want to, you know, into it. You 305 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:07,480 had the nineteen seventy three flap or wave of sightings on the eastern coast of 306 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,799 the United States. I was in high school at that time, and you 307 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:18,079 know, I was really interested in because you didn't hear much in mainstream media 308 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:21,880 during that time about UFOs, but you were hearing about this because there were 309 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,960 so many sightings. I mean, police officers were chasing UFOs and people were 310 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,240 seeing them all over. You know, if you've done your research, you've 311 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,680 probably heard about it. So every evening I was going out looking, hoping 312 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,119 to see something. And I just happened to be in the backyard with my 313 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,960 neighbor or a friend of mine, and we looked up and sure enough we 314 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:47,880 saw UFO, probably a couple hundred yards up above his backyard, over the 315 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,799 mountain tree top level multi colored lights, round disc shape UFO. Again, 316 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,759 We're mesmerized. We called for his mother and she came out and she saw 317 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,160 it, and I'm sure other people saw it too. So, you know, 318 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,759 that was the last sighting I had until two twelve, ironically, I 319 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:14,039 had published my first books, and one day I went out to lunch from 320 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,440 work at the newspaper where I work, Williamson Daily News. I usually don't 321 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,799 take that long, but that day I took a little longer because my wife 322 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,680 had an appointment. Then I took her to that and then I come back 323 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,440 into the office and then like my co workers like, where are you being? 324 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,519 I said, well, I took a long Once they said, well, 325 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,960 the phone's been ringing off the hooks. People were calling, said there's 326 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,400 a UFO over this area. I thought they were joking, because you know, 327 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,319 I get a little riving from time to time. On that. They 328 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,160 said, no, really, it's you know, we've gotten calls and they 329 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,039 were asking for you. So I said at my desk and said, wow, 330 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:48,680 okay, sure enough, the phone rings. It's another lady that calls 331 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000 from the west end of our town here in Williamson. She says, I 332 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:55,319 know you're interested in this subject. You know you've written the books. I'm 333 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,000 looking into UFO right now. And I was like, you've got to be 334 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:03,000 kidding. So I said, what you know? Where what part of the 335 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,119 sky? She told me. So I go out and right across the street 336 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,880 from US is a automotive tire repair shop. All these guys are standing there 337 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,759 there looking at the same UFO. I go across the streets. Sure enough, 338 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,559 I look, we see the UFO, which I sent you a picture 339 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,720 of that earlier and it turned out, yeah, you can put that up. 340 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:29,400 It turns out that there was probably hundreds of people that ended up seeing 341 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,640 this UFO from the Pike Wall and Virgie, Kentucky area of Pike County over 342 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:40,240 here to the Williamson area, probably in about a fifty mile sixty mile radius, 343 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:42,960 hundreds of people. My phone blew up that day and the next day 344 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,279 everybody that saw this UFO. So you know, that was my latest sighting 345 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,880 and that just was this amazing to see that, and the fact that there 346 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,480 were so many other eyewitnesses to that case. And so that's a little bit 347 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:03,960 of my background as far as my personal but where I did have the as 348 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,640 you say, the journalism background. I was working with another journalist who started 349 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,160 a small publishing company a few years ago, and he had done a book 350 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,920 about ghost sightings. So one day we're having launch and I said, what 351 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960 do you think about doing a book about UFOs? He's like, what do 352 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,039 you mean. I said, well, you know, I've been interested in 353 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,440 that. I've got a few stories. You know, I'd written for a 354 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:29,799 magazine a few years ago and I'd save those and he said, well, 355 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,799 let me think about it. He did a little research and they said, 356 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,640 well, they say these most books do pretty well. Let's try it. 357 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,200 So he published my first book. It did really well. I said, 358 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,640 well, hey, I've got enough to do another one. So we did 359 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,799 volume two, as you mentioned, the Appalachian Case Study UFO Sightings Alien Encounters, 360 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:51,160 and I explained Phenomena published by Woodland Press, a little small publishing company 361 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,160 here in southern West Virginia. And so, you know, then my name 362 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,400 started getting out there. I started getting people contact me with other stories. 363 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,359 Yeah that's yeah, yeah, yeah. I go do book signings. People 364 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,599 would come up, hey, you know I had a signing, or yeah, 365 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,599 you know, my friend had a signing. And it's amazing how many 366 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,519 people come up, and like you said earlier, they just don't know where 367 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,279 to report these or who to call or who to talk to. So you 368 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,039 know, you mentioned it to them about mouf on. Uh. I've got 369 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,400 a Facebook page with a friend of mine that the people can report UFO signings 370 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,680 in their neck, which we can talk about that a little later. Yeah, 371 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,920 but I'll shut up and let you ask some more questions. Well, 372 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,119 actually we're ready to go to a break. Um, so okay, great, 373 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,279 Yeah, I'm on with Kyle Laverne and this is Martin Willison Podcast UFO 374 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:45,839 and we'll be right back right after these messages. Kyle. When you first, 375 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,200 let's let's talk v We have these three minutes to talk about. Okay, 376 00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,440 more or less another subject. We'll go back into talking more. But 377 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,400 the first sighting that you had, Um, you mentioned at these three how 378 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,960 the three lights? I believe you said, and you said it disappeared. 379 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,880 Do you mean when you said it disappeared, do you mean that it took 380 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,519 off really faster or did you see him like go out or how can you 381 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,839 explain how how that happened? Yeah, it just seemed like we you know, 382 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,000 that they just disappeared. We don't We're not sure if they just you 383 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,759 know, took off fast or they just disappeared. It was just like they 384 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,599 were there one minute and the next second they were gone. So it wasn't 385 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:29,799 like we saw him speed off, you know. Yeah. Yeah, there's 386 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,160 there's a lot of there's a lot of things sightings that I hear about that 387 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,599 are either either do take off really quickly or all of a sudden just vanish. 388 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:44,359 And that includes people are seeing an actual structured craft and they see advantish, 389 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,759 which is really fascinating to me in many ways. Let's see, Um, 390 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,440 someone wanted to know the in the chat room over there at YouTube. 391 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:57,400 They wanted to know if that the sighting that you saw. I'll bring up 392 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,119 the picture again. Um. The people on YouTube, um that they wanted 393 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,759 to know if it was cigar shape? Would you would you consider that a 394 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:11,359 cigar shape? Um? Yeah, probably in a UFO lore maybe cr shape. 395 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,839 But it was almost like I described it as as fluorescent lights, a 396 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,079 couple of fluorescent lights. That's what I remember. They were like almost like 397 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:25,279 a light on each side and then and then clear exactly. Yeah, And 398 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,559 they were And what was amazing about it is that they stayed there for a 399 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:32,079 long time. And then I also, I've talked about this before, what 400 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,680 I noticed is all of a sudden, I started seeing these kim trails come 401 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,640 by, like jets were flying by, you, I mean contrails. Were 402 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,799 they military? Yeah? I said well, I couldn't tell if they were 403 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,359 military jets or not, but it was obviously something flying close by. And 404 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,319 I went out to another area of the county that was higher elevation to try 405 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,079 to get a better look. At the time I did that, it was 406 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,000 gone. But we can talk about that too now. The elevation, Um, 407 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,799 I know, we only have a we have less than a minute left 408 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:04,559 here. The elevation is so hard to tell, and especially the most contrails 409 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,200 that people see are from you know, thirty to forty thousand feet up. 410 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:17,440 Do you think this was up that high? Excuse me? It was pretty 411 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,759 high. Yeah, I do. And there was an amateur astronomer, which 412 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,839 I'll mention his name's Allen Appling, the school teacher that got some video of 413 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,640 it, and it's on YouTube. It's a really good video. All right, 414 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,599 hang on him second, please, all right, everyone, that's it 415 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440 for the free part of the show. Thank you so much for listening. 416 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,200 So just to let you know, the free shows that we've been letting you 417 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,880 listen to, the last three or four of them were full shows. 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