WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.360 This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:12.160 every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to open 3 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:17.800 Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former Director of Public Education and official 4 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:23.239 spokesperson for the Mutual ufone network. Allahunter, who's been a UFO paranormal researcher 5 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:27.600 and journalists for nearly a decade at his logged hours in the field investigating the 6 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:32.719 paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the 7 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:39.479 latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, 8 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:44.759 and welcome to Open Minds Radio. We're bringing the UFO subject into the 9 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.840 light of day. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we have 10 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:54.119 another great show today. Today we've got a gentleman by the name of David 11 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:59.640 Sirita. He started in the technology industry and he actually even began working on 12 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:04.920 eco friendly technologies. A friend of his had him look at some NASA footage 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.079 because they people had thought, hey, it looks like there's some UFOs in 14 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:14.239 this footage. He looked at it, he was amazed at what he saw, 15 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:19.519 and since then has been compelled into researching what the heck those things were 16 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.799 flying around in that NASA video. He has a lot of theories around it, 17 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.040 but we're going to talk more about that in a minute. One of 18 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:33.480 the things that's happened with him since he's begun researching UFOs is that he's become 19 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:38.280 friends with dan Ackroyd. In fact, dan Ackroyd was going to be interviewed 20 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.840 for one of Serta's videos and akroy just had a lot to say, so 21 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:49.400 Serita filmed him for a couple hours talking about all of his all of Akroyd's 22 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.480 research into UFOs. They took that and packaged it into a DVD. And 23 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.480 now maybe some of you have seen this. If you haven't, you got 24 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.719 to check it out because Akroyd just his knowledge on this subject is absolutely amazing. 25 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:07.159 I mean, we are going to a UFO conference here soon and we're 26 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.879 going to be seeing a lot of speakers and Acroyd is on par with some 27 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.680 of these longtime UFO researchers. He's got a lot of knowledge in this area. 28 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.520 And some of you may know that Akroy's family actually has been involved with 29 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.400 a paranormal since he was a kid. So we'll talk more about that. 30 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:29.400 We're also going to talk about a senior Lockheed engineer. Lockheed is a group, 31 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:31.560 there's a group called skunk Works that some of you may be aware of, 32 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:37.560 and they work at Area fifty one building things like the self bomber, 33 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:43.520 the SR seventy one, all of these top secret projects. And Boyd Buschman 34 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:47.960 has talked to Serta and essentially alludes to and we'll talk to Srita more about 35 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:53.120 what he says, but essentially being of the knowledge that they had back engineered 36 00:02:54.280 --> 00:03:00.080 ET technology. So senior Lockheed engineered. Pretty shocking that someone that level would 37 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.759 be talking about that. David Sareda is gonna be a speaker at the UFO 38 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:10.680 Congress. He's gonna be talking on Saturday. And this is actually a conference, 39 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:16.840 the biggest UFO conference in the United States, going on next week from 40 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:22.840 Sunday to twenty first to Saturday to the twenty seventh in Laughlin, Nevada. 41 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.520 You could go to Ufocongress dot com to read more about it. You could 42 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:32.599 also go to our website which is looking flippin' awesome today. It's beautiful. 43 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:38.759 We've got a brand new website, Openminds dot tv. Cool graphics. Our 44 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.599 graphic guys are just some of the coolest, cunning edge You could go check 45 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:47.039 out that page with our cool radio pages brand new as well. There's a 46 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:51.199 new tab you click on to see the video for live. If you want 47 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.000 to watch us there, you can come in and chat with us at our 48 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:58.199 little chat room here, so check out the website. We're also going to 49 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.800 be filming live from Laflow and we're going to do the radio show next week 50 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.879 live from this UFO conference. We're also going to be filming every night at 51 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:12.280 seven to thirty pm Pacific time, which is eight thirty pm in our native 52 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.040 Arizona time here, but for an hour, we're going to have a video 53 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:20.279 where we'll talk about highlights from the conference. We will interview some of the 54 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:27.439 speakers, we'll have some little vignette, some short video type news that we're 55 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.240 going to be showing a lot of really cool stuff and that's for free, 56 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.480 so check it out at openminds dot tv. If you can't make it to 57 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.920 the conference, then you'll at least want to go to our website and watch 58 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:41.639 some of our videos on the conference there. So I'll talk more about that 59 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.279 throughout the week. We'll have our guest, David Serita on that show sometime 60 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.000 in during the week, so you could take a look and see what he 61 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:53.000 looks like. And maybe you're curious about what some of these upologists look like, 62 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.800 how they dress some of them, you know, and there's a range. 63 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.360 You've got some of them that are in their nice suits and you have 64 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.759 some that are in well, not so nice attire. And he'll be able 65 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:08.959 to find out who the fancy people are and who the non fancy people are. 66 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:14.360 Anyway, before we get into talking with our guest, we've got our 67 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:20.800 news and as usual, we have our stellar news correspondent Jason McClellan here with 68 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:25.879 us to talk to us about the news. Thanks Alejandro. In the news 69 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.399 this week, on Thursday, the BBC reported that more than six thousand pages 70 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.879 of reports have recently been released in the UK that described people's experiences with unidentified 71 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:41.600 flying objects. The reports contained letters and questions to Parliament, as well as 72 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.199 detailed sighting reports, some complete withdrawings. The newly released documents were released under 73 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:51.120 a three year project between the Ministry of Defense and the National Archives. Yeah, 74 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:55.439 there are some cool files. Watch our website because we're going to be 75 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.040 writing about more of these, and you can read a lot of the stories 76 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.759 that have already come out on this the front page of our website, but 77 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:05.199 we're going to write some Some of those are like a senior mod official who 78 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:12.480 wrote a letter to the Ministry of Defense about seeing a UFO footage from a 79 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.240 jet from the gun and he wrote in saying where did that footage go? 80 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.319 Of course the mood said, oh, we can't find it. Sorry. 81 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:26.480 There's some other stories in there about police officers and coast guard looking for a 82 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:31.800 UFO that they saw and was caught on radar, but later the mood said 83 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.439 they were all confused by venus. So these police officers were running around for 84 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.920 an hour and the coastguard was out in this bay looking for this UFO and 85 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:44.040 saying that got confused by venus. I don't know how they could have done 86 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:49.000 that. But really other really interesting cases there. So it's something like six 87 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.199 thousand pages of files. So we'll go through that and we'll write some stories 88 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.800 in some of the best files here. Six thousand pages, that's right, 89 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.079 and for one month only, you can actually view and download these files for 90 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.040 free at the National Archives website. Yeah, that's one funny thing about the 91 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:13.639 UK here everything that comes, every government file or photo is free to Americans. 92 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.759 And you know there's no copyright the UK. They copyright their stuff, 93 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.120 so you can't get it for free. Eventually you gotta pay the rials. 94 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:24.160 Well, this is a time limit, so one month, yeah, get 95 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.519 downloading. Otherwise you got to pay the queen. That's right. In other 96 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.120 news, as Alejandro mentioned, it's finally here. The nineteenth Annual International UFO 97 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:38.319 Congress begins on Sunday. The week long gathering features seminars, vendors, speakers, 98 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:42.279 and the film festival, all centered around the UFO related topics. More 99 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.639 than thirty five speakers from around the world will be delivering presentations on such topics 100 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.399 as roswell, exopolitics, crop circles, abductions, and human contact with extraterrestrials. 101 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.720 Alejandro also mentioned that we Open Minds will certainly be at the Congress this 102 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.680 year, and we will be airing a live show called Live from Laughlin each 103 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.160 night at seven thirty pm Pacific time. This show will feature recaps of daily 104 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.879 events and will include exclusive interviews with some of the speakers at the conference. 105 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.560 The show will be streamed live to the Internet and can be viewed for free 106 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.839 at Openminds dot tv. Open Minds Radio will also be broadcast live from the 107 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:22.160 UFO Congress next Friday at noon Arizona time. The guest next week will be 108 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.360 the renowned Mexican UFO journalist Hime Mussan, one of the speakers at this year's 109 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:31.160 conference. The twenty ten International UFO Congress takes place at the Aquarius Casino and 110 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.799 Resort in Laughlin, Nevada, from February twenty first through the twenty seven. 111 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.039 For more information, you can visit Ufocongress dot com or go to Openminds dot 112 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.440 tv. That's gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna be there all 113 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.559 week. In fact, Jason has got the truck packed and he is hitting 114 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.159 the road with our video producer right after the show. Right after the show, 115 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.639 we do hit the road and we will van Laughlin tonight. YEP. 116 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.120 Are you looking forward to it. It's a long week, it's gonna be 117 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.039 a lot of work, but it's the law of fun. It's a great, 118 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:05.639 great event, and this is the nineteenth year they've been doing and it's 119 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.360 like you said, it's the largest UFO conference and it's a great gathering time. 120 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.600 Yeah, I've been. It's exciting for those here in Phoenix because the 121 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:20.559 twentieth anniversary is going to be right here in the Phoenix metro area and Open 122 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.240 Minds will be hosting that. That's right, that's going to be a lot 123 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.279 of fun and it'll be good for our local crowd here. Yeah, they're 124 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.159 gonna be able to check out a lot of cool stuff. So I'm really 125 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:33.200 excited about that. So come join us, you can come shake our hands, 126 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.600 see what we're up to, and you'll get a preview of our magazine. 127 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.919 Our magazine's going to be coming out in about a week or two. 128 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.360 You're going to be able to buy that in the news stands and in some 129 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.759 of the bookstores. Real excited about that. We've got to take a little 130 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:54.000 bit of a break, but we'll be right back talking about UFOs and UFO 131 00:09:54.080 --> 00:10:07.360 technology with David Sarita. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas on 132 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:13.159 KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. All right, welcome back, and remember 133 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:18.000 at the end of the show you can call in and ask your own questions. 134 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.960 You can call in right now actually to get in the queue so you 135 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.120 can be sure to get your question in there. In the Phoenix area, 136 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.759 that's six oh two two seven seven KFNX, which is five three six nine, 137 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.480 or if you're outside of the Phoenix metro area, the twelve three numbers 138 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:37.519 one eight sixty six, five three six eleven hundred. But now I believe 139 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.000 we've got David on the line. Are you there? Yeah, all right, 140 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:45.600 great to talk to you again. Uh, let's talk about the beginning 141 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:48.840 when you first got into this and kind of what you were doing with working 142 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:54.960 in the field of technology and eco technologies. Well, it all started for 143 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.039 me from seeing a UFO at nineteen sixty eight, okay, in Berkeley, 144 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:03.440 California, walking home from school at seven years old. And when you see 145 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.039 one of these things with your own eyes, you know, and especially you 146 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.879 know as a kid who you know building model airplanes and you know, having 147 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.000 those Rebel model kits and you know, building cars, you can become very 148 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.480 aware of machines and flying and you know, kids are very very fascinated with, 149 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.279 you know, machines and especially things like aircraft. So when you see 150 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:28.320 something with your own eyes and people going crazy and there's a pandemonium of people 151 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.879 on the street pointing up at a flying saucer. You know, you realize, 152 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:33.360 you know, this doesn't really fit in anywhere. I don't. I 153 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.120 don't have a model like that. You know. It's a flying disc with 154 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:43.120 a dome on the top, you know, liquid like metal, no markings, 155 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.840 very mercurial. It's almost like shimmering mercers in the sky, and very 156 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.320 close. I mean, I'm not looking at a spot like a lot of 157 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.600 people give me links to video footage and alls I see as a spot. 158 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:01.360 I'm really looking at something close and it's not in bill You know later in 159 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.320 life that, you know, I realized in the nineteen seventies when I saw 160 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:11.879 a documentary on the Billy Meyer photographs in Canada and Vancouver, Canada. There 161 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.200 was a show and I said, oh my god, that's exactly what I 162 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:16.519 saw. In fact, it looked just like that. Wow. So the 163 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.879 Billy Meyer wall he saw were saucer shaped objects, that's what you had seen. 164 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.360 No, I looked identical. And in my years nineteen sixty eight and 165 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:30.080 he started seeing them, you know, nineteen seventy one, seventy two, 166 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.639 somewhere in there. So it was just after that and mine were from the 167 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.519 plates. I had contact experiences in my sleep, and when we lived in 168 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:43.879 the Berkeley Hills in the East Bay, of the being showing me how the 169 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.279 mechanics of the you know, the drive that was behind the propulsion system of 170 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.639 the craft. And you know, when you have an experience, you know, 171 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.000 experience is real to you. And so then you have you come out 172 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.919 in the world and you find out UFOs are worldwide phenomena. And obviously, 173 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.879 you know, when you look at the polls, the real polls, you 174 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.879 know, the majority of Americans by far, over seventy five percent believe the 175 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.399 government's hiding in technology. So you know, when you go through school and 176 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.840 you get lied to and they tell you that none of this is real, 177 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.120 and you know we're the only ones in the universe, and you start to 178 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.799 get pretty mad, you know, And me, I'm a I'm a kind 179 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.679 of a rebel. I'm kind of a fighter. I asked my physics teachers 180 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.960 way too many questions, and I challenged them on very very deep points that 181 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.720 they didn't know the answers to, and their answers weren't good enough for me. 182 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:39.320 And so I started, you know, deciding to learn on my own 183 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.399 and getting my hands on every book and every religion and every everything I could 184 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.279 find that wasn't in the mainstream curriculum to look for the answers. And what's 185 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.840 amazing now is when you come to the UFO Congress at Laughlin, like you 186 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.399 know, I was speaking there last year. I mean, there's PhDs everywhere 187 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.840 in the audience, right, there's engineers, and so you're saying, if 188 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.679 this is a joke, what are they all doing here? And why are 189 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.879 they so interested? Yeah, I wrote a story recently for the website on 190 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.759 that subject because a lot of people will ask, if there is something really 191 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.840 to this, then why aren't scientists interested? And they are interested, like 192 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.840 you're talking about they're here that I'm sure you worked with a lot of scientists 193 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.080 in your pasty. You might have had some colleagues that were interested. Well. 194 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.720 Actually ironic that many many years later, decades later, I was having 195 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.759 lunch at the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab up on the Hill, which had a 196 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.240 perfect view of the flying saucer I saw in nineteen sixty eight, and I'm 197 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.080 sitting there having lunch with Glenn Seaborg, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission, 198 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.600 won the Nobel Prize in Physics, and his partner Albert Yarso and another very 199 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.480 important nuclear fusion scientist that I was an associate of of doctor Bogen Magwitch. 200 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.440 And I told Seborg I saw the flying saucer, you know, right off 201 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.759 this hill. And he didn't get mad, it didn't laugh at me and 202 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.519 say, you know, he basically said that, you know, he didn't 203 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.399 we didn't talk about aliens, but he basically said that he doesn't know anybody 204 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:16.200 in any area of research that's working on anything like that anti gravity. And 205 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.799 his assistant Giorso, who's still alive Seborg has passed away. Seeborg was chairman 206 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.799 of the Atomic Energy Commission under Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon under three presidents. 207 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.480 He said that, you know, there's nobody working on anything like that. 208 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.039 And he had access, according to his assistant, of thirty eight levels above 209 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.120 top secret. And I never even knew there was more than ten levels above 210 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.000 top secret. I mean, it's amazing how many levels there are. Yeah. 211 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:46.279 So with all that and this last year at the UFO Congress, I 212 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.000 meet this guy in an elevator. He's a scientist who worked for the National 213 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.480 Space Lab, which is right there on the hill at Berkeley. You know, 214 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.320 Kitty corner to the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, that they're all kind of 215 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.360 in the same complex. And he said, you know, in nineteen seventy, 216 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.399 in the nineteen seventies, he said he saw a falling saucer right outside 217 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.480 the window. He said, they all saw it. Wow. And that's 218 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.600 I mean, that's a scientist who works at this at the National Space Lab, 219 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.440 which is a you know, basically division and division of NASA. And 220 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.320 they're admitting this to you, and they're coming through the conferences. So what's 221 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.039 so exciting about these conferences? It's not just it's not like the Disney movie 222 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.840 The Race to Which Mount, where everybody's a Looney tune right and wearing costume. 223 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:36.159 In fact, even I just saw something on YouTube where Stephen Hawkins was 224 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:40.559 saying, well, how come UFOs only appear to wardos. Well, Stephen 225 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:45.840 Hawkins is calling astronaut Gordon Cooper, who's a YouTube pilot right Blue one Gemini, 226 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.159 He's calling him a widow. He's calling Major Bob White, who flew 227 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.159 the X fifteen, the first man to go mark four or five and six 228 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.480 at Edwards, their force space in nineteen sixty two, testifying Time magazine that 229 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.279 a rectangular crack was going the same speed as them. You know Mark four 230 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:06.319 right next to him, a rectangle no aerodynamics doing, you know Mark four, 231 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.160 five and six. So you know, Stephen Hawkins is calling all these 232 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.960 people and the thousand probably in the neighborhood of one thousand people testified in Stephen 233 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.920 Grier's Project Disclosure, He's calling them all weirdos. And that's the problem. 234 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:26.759 The mainstream physics community in scientists thinks they're God and they just know everything right. 235 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.680 And I think one of the problems misperceptions people have. They figure scientists 236 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.400 aren't involved, when as we know they are, when actually maybe there are 237 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:41.160 no scientific institutions that are tackling this right now, but the individual scientists themselves 238 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.400 are very interested. No, there are scientific institutions. I mean, my 239 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.880 one of my foretes is because in my background, I was lucky enough to 240 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.240 work in the field of nuclear fusion for ten years and I spoke in the 241 00:17:55.319 --> 00:18:00.279 United States Congress in nineteen nineteen ninety three on nuclear fusion. You know, 242 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.039 I met a lot of people at NASA, very very high ranking people at 243 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:10.960 NASA, and like Earl Van Lanningham, who was the director of NASA's propulsion, 244 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.839 power and energy. And then later he became head of all space access 245 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.359 in technology. Wow. And you know, I was around all these kind 246 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.559 of people all the time, So I eventually got into dialogues with scientists and 247 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:27.519 what you find is NASA is a bureaucracy. It's a massive place. You 248 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:33.400 can't get a consistent uniform answer about anything there because everybody has a different opinion. 249 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.400 And depending on whom you go to, you're going to get you bring 250 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.680 up the UFO question, You're going to get people who are program managers who 251 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:48.079 are completely studying and following ufology very very seriously. And then you're going to 252 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.279 get people who just say, you know, there's nobody out here but us, 253 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:59.039 So there is no uniformity something in an administration that large. But then 254 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.519 you know, I got deep inside of Waukee Martin and who's now my friend, 255 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:11.119 Boyd Bushman, the senior scientist who literally engineered the first super fast missiles, 256 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.599 the Stinger missile, which later became known as Red Eye. He built 257 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.240 this for general dynamics, and Red Eye was the first missile that had infrared 258 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.519 sensors, that had heat sensors that could go and chase a heat you know, 259 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.640 another airplane in the middle of the night and hit it. He built 260 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:33.000 all those systems. In fact, Boyd's missiles today can pull over eighty eight 261 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:40.160 g's on a turn using and Boyd candidly on camera has given me two interviews, 262 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:45.920 and in those interviews he's told everything about Roswell is all true except for 263 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.880 that we shot it down, you know, and that we were chasing these 264 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:53.559 UFOs all over the country for many, many weeks when we knew they were 265 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.720 here. But we didn't know we were chasing aliens. We just knew in 266 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.839 a post World War two and environment that it could be the Germans, it 267 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:07.440 could be anybody, and we chase them. And we had developed very very 268 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.200 advanced weapons, you know, not bullets being weapons that we use to shoot 269 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:17.480 down the Roswell flying saucer. So you know, you have a senior scientist 270 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.119 from Lackey Martin. I mean, he says way way more than that, 271 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.759 right. I mean, for people who come to my lecture, you're going 272 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.960 to really get to see a lot of what we really know about reverse engineer 273 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.119 technology. And today the problem is, I mean, here we are, 274 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.119 we have an environmental crisis. We're giving away most of our wealth to the 275 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:41.200 Middle East for their oil, and we have technology that you know, the 276 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.480 green movement says all we have is solar panels and wind you know, wind 277 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.000 farms, right, But what we really have is zero point energy and anti 278 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.279 gravity. And this is what I really want to emphasize now is the need 279 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.759 to really wake up. There's flying saucers everywhere. They're not all aliens, 280 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.960 and you can't tell everybody who sees them that they're all crazy and they're all 281 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.720 hallucinating. Right, I'm really there. Well, I want to talk. 282 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.119 We're going to have to go to break right now, but when we come 283 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.200 back, talk more about that. The technologies that can be gleaned at, 284 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.160 which is another area people don't realize why the study of this subject is so 285 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:21.960 important, that there are technologies that can help save the planet that are being 286 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.359 suppressed in the because of who knows why. But we'll talk more about that 287 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:40.160 after the break. We'll be back with David Srita here again your host, 288 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:45.680 UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. All right, we're back, and 289 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.960 don't forget that. You can go find out more information about the UFO Congress 290 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:56.720 at Openminds dot TV or Ufocongress dot com. We're talking with David Sirita about 291 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.559 UFO technology. Is going to be one of the speakers at the Congress, 292 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.599 and David, I wanted you to ask you that question, why do you 293 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:11.680 think that those technologies are being suppressed? Well, they're being suppressed. I 294 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:17.680 mean it's actually a really complicated answer because first we say they're being suppressed, 295 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.519 and then you know, when you talk to Boyd Bushman, who works at 296 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:26.200 Lockheed and senior senior scientists for Howard Hughes text Instruments, he worked for General 297 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.759 Dynamics, I mean and Lockheed for twenty two years and Lockheed is number one 298 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:34.480 in defense. There they built the F one one seven, the B B 299 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:38.000 one, bomber B two, the F twenty two, the F thirty five, 300 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.599 and all the cool process. Yeah, Boeing is nothing like Lockey. 301 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:47.480 A lot of people don't know who Lockheed is. And he's telling me that 302 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:51.799 as far as an Area fifty one, for example, they have the craft, 303 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.880 but there's no funding. It's like a dirt poor funded, you know, 304 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:03.519 research lab in places like that. They're trying to reverse engineer the technology. 305 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.119 I mean, they've had some success in reverse engineering, but there's no 306 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.519 funding. And the reason there's no funding is because the four star generals who 307 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:17.440 allocate funding in the military, they won't even listen when a scientist tries to 308 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:19.839 tell them, well, we have flying saucers at Area fifty one. They 309 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.680 won't listen. All they want to know is, how do you build me 310 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.920 a better missile? So that's what boy did you know? Boyd Bushman built 311 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:33.839 missiles and he worked on airplanes and propulsion systems, and he literally shows us, 312 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.799 you know, how much of anti gravity we have today, which we 313 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:41.920 have a lot of, it is very radioactive and so that explains, for 314 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.440 example, even the cash Landrum incident in Texas, which is where Lockie it 315 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:51.640 is why Bitty Cash and her son and were radiated by the UFO that was 316 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:57.400 being pursued by helicopters, Well, it's because it's using radioactive fuels and resources. 317 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.279 That was a sad and incredible story. And just for a little more 318 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:04.000 background on that for the listeners. And these were these people on Texas who 319 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.519 came up across a UFO, a diamond chap with some flames coming out of 320 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:15.880 the bottom, and unfortunately they all suffered some terrible side effects from radioactivity in 321 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.119 Fame, and I really believe that was one of our craft right it's being 322 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.440 pursued by And you look at the Stephenville case. Again, Stephenville is very 323 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.880 close to the home of Martin. Lockheed Martin has bases all over Texas, 324 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.279 and you're looking at Lockheed fighter jets, f wing fighter jets escorting a giant 325 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.720 triangle, which is what the Stephenville UFO was probably nearly a mile wide. 326 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:47.559 And look at most of Lockheed's airplanes are a triangular shape, but this UFO, 327 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.880 we are not shooting at it. And I can confirm with Boyd Bushman 328 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:56.839 that we have a weapon that is so powerful which we use to shoot down 329 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:02.359 flying saucers. We definitely would have used if we thought the giant triangle was 330 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.000 alien and flowing that low over Texas town. And then according to radar data 331 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:12.119 sets, we find that the triangle UFO at Stephenville flew right over Crawford Ranch 332 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:18.279 in plane view of the President. So obviously it was an escorted flight by 333 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.880 Lockheed Martin, and that is technology that we actually have. So in order 334 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:29.200 to kind of encapsulate your answer there, you're saying that the reverse engineering we've 335 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.440 been able to do. They haven't been able to look into the energy type 336 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.000 of areas. Really, they've only been funded to figure out how to build 337 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:42.799 weapons from the reverse tech reg Well, we've been able to build anti gravity 338 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:48.799 craft. We've been able to you know, do a lot of reverse engineering 339 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.000 work. But one of the things Boyd says is the craft, the alien 340 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.640 craft are made out of materials that are not on our periodic table developments. 341 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:03.000 And in order to understand and those elements and make them, I'll give you 342 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.400 an example. I mean, everybody knows the story of Bob Wizar an element 343 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.559 one one five and the time of Bob Wizzar first going public in the eighties, 344 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:12.880 I believe it was the early eighties. There was no such thing as 345 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:17.759 element when one five. They hadn't even created it in the lab yet, 346 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.759 and he gave us this long mathematical formula for the creation of element one one 347 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:27.480 five. Well, when Burke Lawrence Berkeley National Lab finally created the element one 348 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.799 one five and it got listed on the periodic table, the math formula was 349 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.920 nearly identical. I've seen both of the formulas and that was only four years 350 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.799 ago. I believe that right. It's very New Alejandro. So we're looking 351 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.720 at okay, that that rings really true. Well, that's according to Bob 352 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:49.799 Bizar, the fuel that the craft us at roswell to produce antimatter to you 353 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:53.920 know, run part of the propulsion drive. Well, BOYD Bushman is telling 354 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:59.680 me there are medals on the periodic table way beyond one, one, five, 355 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.839 and there's just no money there. And the other problem he mentioned, 356 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:08.160 and this is really critical, there is lots of money funding scientists and Department 357 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:14.519 of Defense that are in the buddy system, meaning families and sons and daughters 358 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.640 of families that have been getting military contracts for generations. And he said, 359 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.319 that's the problem. The good scientists that really know how to understand these alien 360 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.599 craft and reverse engineer them are not the funding, and they're the ones who 361 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.519 can really do it. But we were so stuck in this buddy system, 362 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.039 just like in Congress, and just like you know, any kind of hierarchical 363 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.799 system of just giving all the jobs and giving all the money to the buddies. 364 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.960 So when the you guy comes along, he says, you know, 365 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.440 I can actually do something with this. Well, boy says those scientists and 366 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:52.799 he knows them. He actually describes on tape when at Lockeed all these new 367 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.920 you know, physicists who just got their PhDs come and they're all shining with 368 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.279 their PhDs, and he says, he says to them, you know, 369 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.039 I know, I don't want to hear from any of you about what we 370 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.119 already know about space flight and their flight and propulsion and how you know, 371 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:12.079 brilliant your professors are and your PhD, he goes, because we know that 372 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:18.119 and more here at Lockheed. What I want to know is how many of 373 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.240 you can tell me something I don't know, and actually, how many of 374 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:29.480 you are even interested in learning about something that makes everything you know completely obsolete? 375 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.440 And when he puts that question in front of them, only twenty percent 376 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.599 of them are even curious enough to want to move in that direction. The 377 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.000 rest of them they get, you know, computer jobs at Lockheed, and 378 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:42.759 they get a retirement, and he just pass them on the back and says, 379 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:47.160 Okay, that's as good as you can do. But what they're really 380 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:51.920 looking for are good minds that know, if they were to approach this craft, 381 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.640 you know, area fifty one, they would really know and they would 382 00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:00.400 open the possibility that they actually don't know anything, right, because we hear 383 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.920 from a lot of different especially theoretical physicists who have much more open minds these 384 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.799 days, like Mitchell kaku Is when they're yeah, yeah, they do some 385 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.240 of them, you know, they talk about how we need to just rethink 386 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.720 everything that we think we know. But here's another thing, Alejandro say. 387 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.880 The public says, well, we wouldn't demand Congress fund you know, Area 388 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.400 fifty one technology unless you prove to us it's there. With today's technology, 389 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:30.279 obviously we could build a model flying saucer, and and people know that if 390 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.119 we brought you into a museum and he said, here's the alien flying saucer 391 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.720 for model, no one would believe it. Correct. They wouldn't believe what 392 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.680 they're even looking at. And so nobody believes anything anymore with YouTube out there, 393 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:47.160 because people can do special effects videos and you throw a fake UFO in 394 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:52.160 there with a real one, and then most people don't have enough experience actually 395 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.640 seeing a flying saucer for real to know the movements and the way the real 396 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:02.519 ones actually move or don't move. So it's become much more complicated. And 397 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.519 Bushman is telling me, yeah that the flying saucers are there, they're kept 398 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.920 secret way out in the middle of the desert, and the alien bodies were 399 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.519 taken to Los Alamos National Lab first, And that makes so much sense because 400 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:19.759 it's so close to Roswell. But even if somebody showed you a picture, 401 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.640 and I've been showed a picture of what is allegedly the real aliens at Roswell, 402 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.559 nobody would believe it. They just it doesn't even appoint in even showing 403 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.880 the pictures because none's going to believe it anyway. Everybody's so cynical, which 404 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.680 is so exciting to hear about Boyd Bushman, because there are some witnesses, 405 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.279 some very credible witnesses out there talking about this stuff. But even like you're 406 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:48.119 saying, even with these guys like Boyd Bushman out there talking, nobody believes 407 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.200 it still, which is but they will they here's what they'll believe. I'm 408 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.519 going to show it my lecture at Glaflin for those of you who come my 409 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.640 lectures. You know what. We're gonna hold on to that until we come 410 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:08.200 back from break for a Director of Public Education handle. So we're here with 411 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:14.279 David Sita and we'll be talking about UFOs and we'll be talking about Boyd Buschman 412 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.240 and some of the incredible videos and information that David Sirita is going to share 413 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.599 when we come back from break here. And I'm really excited about the congress 414 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.039 and to see your talk because not a lot of people have been able to 415 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:40.319 see this exclusive information. Will be back in just a minute. Your host 416 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:45.519 of Open Minds Radio, Avaljandro Rojas. All right, we are back. 417 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:51.559 This is Alejandro Rojas and we are with David Sirita talking about senior Lockheed Engineered 418 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:57.200 Boyd Buschman and David's presentation at the UFO Congress. You were talking about your 419 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.359 presentation and some new information you're going to be showing. We are one of 420 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.960 the things that I've kept secret, you know, for you know, almost 421 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.119 not hers. Now are real blueprints that I have from you know, reverse 422 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:17.640 engineering UFOs, from my own experience and from the confirmation of looking at there 423 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:22.599 are certain photography that I have of real UFOs that you know, in certain 424 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.000 video frames you can see right through to the center of the UFO and you 425 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.920 can see the drive and then the next video frame out of thirty frames a 426 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.000 second of video, you don't see it. And what I saw in the 427 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:40.319 center of the drive is so similar to what I have and what is consistent 428 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.039 with what Boyd Bushman that Lockey Martin is saying as to how the anti gravity 429 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:51.920 process works. And then some very very exciting new news of someone who takes 430 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.559 a cross circle and spins it in three dimensions in an AUTOCAT program, and 431 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:01.640 his blueprints look almost the same as mine. So if the blueprints and they're 432 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.880 really clear on these are not sketchy looking things, that we know how to 433 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.680 do this experiment, and it seems to be confirmed from three sources that this 434 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.720 is most likely the core of the drive. I've kept this Sigler for nine 435 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.920 years, and I've had many people after I go on radio shows who say 436 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.319 they want to fund my web and my research, and they never do. 437 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.799 So I'm just going to make it public. You know, I'm exhausted on 438 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.519 the journey right now. There's so many other people out there who get funding 439 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.920 to do the research, but I've never gotten any. So I'm just going 440 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.400 to put it out there and then see if somebody who's serious and looks at 441 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.839 it and says it's pretty obvious it's really worth pursuing this design and building it 442 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.759 to find out if it is. Because if it does, it'll change the 443 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.759 world. Now. I know in some of your past videos and it was 444 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.240 related to some NASA footage that you have looked at where there are some apparent 445 00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:01.440 UFOs filmed under I think infra red the ultraviolet. Oh, under the ultraviolet. 446 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.880 And did that help you begin to develop this yeah? Oh absolutely When 447 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.880 I looked at the waveforms that were strobing or pulsating from the UFOs, the 448 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.400 type of physics and studying the waveforms is very consistent. See, the whole 449 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:23.800 idea to cancel out gravity is you have to transform the atomic state that matters 450 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:29.559 in that causes it to be attracted to gravity. And so you just you 451 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:34.360 have to transform because everything at the sub atomic level is about waves and particles. 452 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.159 And when you understand how wave functions work and what keeps them bound into 453 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:45.199 certain laws of physics like gravity and inertia and space and time, you realize 454 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.639 if you alter the wave function at the you know, the sub atomic or 455 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.400 quantum level, then everything changes for that craft. I mean the craft that 456 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.519 I saw in nineteen sixty eight at seven years old, I mean it didn't 457 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.360 really move much. It was very stable, and the edges were not wobbly. 458 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.320 Like a you know, unstable spinning top like you've seen some UFO videos. 459 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.559 It was locked solid and the thing just blanked out. It didn't accelerate, 460 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.039 it didn't use any kind of thrusters or anything. It just went into 461 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.480 another dimension in a blank of an eye. And that's what they do. 462 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:23.199 Our dimension, including the Earth atmosphere and also space. The fabric of space 463 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:29.800 is too heavy to push against a high velocities, so when you jump out 464 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.760 of the thickness of the density of the space time dimension, there's less pushing 465 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.599 against you, so it takes where less energy to go super fast, and 466 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:44.559 I think that's what they do. So when the real ones don't really move 467 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.800 around all over the place. You see these videos on YouTube and they're flying 468 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.599 around like planes, those are obviously very fake. And when you're talking about 469 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.519 them transforming their density and essentially I think you talk about, you know, 470 00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.880 moving to kind of a zero massed sort of state. Is this what also 471 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.920 allows them to be transparent and why you can see those drives right, They 472 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.760 eventually become translucent and just like shimmering lights, which is why they're more visible 473 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.360 at nighttime, and then eventually they just simply disappear. From our spectra. 474 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.039 And that's why NASA's video cameras that look into the near and the far invisible 475 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:27.159 ultraviolet that sometimes they show up there. Sometimes they show up on infrared infrared 476 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.679 as good as the sky is cold. So if you have a winter day 477 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:36.079 or winter night and the sky is cold, anything that leaves any thermal transmission 478 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.079 of energy in the form of heat will leave kind of a signature on the 479 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.519 background of the atmosphere. And you can see that in the infrared. But 480 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.519 in the summertime a hot day, infrared signatures or you can't find them. 481 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.679 M h. It's best to do it in the wintertime. Now, I 482 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.039 do want to talk a little bit about this NASA footage also because I know 483 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.800 one of them that you use often where you can see these things very clearly, 484 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.639 was in this NASA experiment where they had this tether tied to a satellite. 485 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.920 Could you explain that video on what you saw there? Yeah, I 486 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.760 mean that this is this that you're looking at. Video confirmed that NASA has 487 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:20.280 a special retrofitted camera and I I debated with James Olberg this this subject, 488 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.360 and he's definitely wrong. He was saying that the ultraviolet sensitive camera is not 489 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:30.400 an ultraviot sensitive camera. And and I got NASA's top scientist to admit to 490 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.599 me in letters that the camera can see into the near and the far UV 491 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.719 where humans don't see. And he said it was an off the shelf camera. 492 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.159 And I've got a letter on NASA stationary letterhead. I've never shown anyone 493 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.559 this letter, and it's kind of my it's kind of my last joke on 494 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.000 James Oberg. And it says the name and making model of the camera, 495 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.559 and it is a test module. It is a it is a handmade, 496 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.079 you know, specialty camera to see into those spectra. You can't buy it 497 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:59.599 in the store. So James Olberg doesn't know what he's talking about. He 498 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:05.559 was a former and control operator and ABC, you know, and news correspondent 499 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.960 for NASA. So he's just a dummy. And he doesn't have any access 500 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.239 at NASSA at all. And I got the letter to prove the make and 501 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.480 model of the camera. And if I ever decide, you know, it 502 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:21.280 takes energy and time, and energy and time is money. I pay rent. 503 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:22.599 I don't own a house, I don't own my car. I have 504 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.559 car payments. And whenever you decide to take something on as a film or 505 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.599 as a book. You know, you got your rent to pay. Right 506 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.960 When somebody says, oh, why don't why doesn't David Stry to do this? 507 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:36.960 And why doesn't he do that? It's like, well, who's going 508 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.639 to pay for my time? You know, I don't even have much of 509 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:43.360 a savings in the bank. I just sell my films and my wife and 510 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.440 I get by. And so they want all this, they want it all 511 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.320 to happen. And it's like, you know who's going you know, who's 512 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.559 going to be really serious and step up to the plate here and get into 513 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.960 this because there's a lot of money sitting out there, and there's a law 514 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.000 of money that could be used to reverse engineer UFOs. There's there there's talk 515 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:13.000 that even move On received a large amount of money from Bob Bigelow for reverse 516 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.880 engineered technology. Then what happened? What happened to it? I don't know, 517 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.400 yeh. I never have anything to do with these things. And what 518 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.079 were they able to do with the funding? Yeah, Bob should be talking 519 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:29.679 to you. Yeah, Bob Bigelow's talk to me. No, yeah, 520 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.599 one day he will. But what did they film with that camera NASA? 521 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.199 Well that the debate is whether we're looking at dust and debris, which I 522 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.840 find impossible because I've done numerous tests with different video cameras. I was a 523 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.280 professional photographer for over twenty years and have owned so many different types of cameras, 524 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.639 and it can clearly tell you with video cameras, if something is near 525 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.880 the camera lens and you pull the zoom all the way, it literally just 526 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.679 disappears, especially if it's dust and or debris. And you can even take 527 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.800 something as big as a dime and hold up in front of your video camera 528 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:07.760 lens, you know, three inches away, and then zoom into the distance 529 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.559 and the dime just turns into a blurry, you know, mass, and 530 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.599 then disappears. So you look at the NASA video cameras on the STS seventy 531 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.119 five tether incident that are looking into the ultra violet and the camera zooms all 532 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.159 the way in on them, which means they're nowhere near the camera. They're 533 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.960 way out there somewhere. And the fact that they claim you can see dust 534 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:35.920 at a great distance through the camera lens in space and it's in their bright 535 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:40.519 spots and they survive a full camera zoom is ridiculous. There's just there's just 536 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.320 no way that could be happening. And this is video that people can go 537 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.599 to YouTube and see this NASA video and and so these objects very quality, 538 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.440 far away. But the objects must be far away and very large, is 539 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.480 what you well, because they appear to go behind the tether. The tether 540 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.280 is stated in the audio to be seventy seven to one hundred nautical miles away 541 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.480 right from the cameras. And if they go behind it, because the tether 542 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:14.440 is twelve miles long and it's it's sheath of ionized nitrogen gas that was released 543 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.199 from the tether is why it looks like a neon tube. So it's probably 544 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.920 at least a half a mile thick. So these things have to be big. 545 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.400 But we're out of time, David, thank you so much for being 546 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:27.840 on the show. We'll be talking to you more next week. People can 547 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.679 see him at the congress or see him on Openminds dot tv because we'll interview 548 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.840 you out there also. But thanks for being on the show. All right, 549 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.599 Alandro, think there you two tune in next week when we're gonna have 550 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:45.320 Jime Moussan live from the UFO Congress. He's a Mexican journalist and he's got 551 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.840 tons of Betty Good videos, very good UFO video, so tune in. 552 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.880 Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio, where we're bringing the UFO subject into 553 00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:05.199 the light of day. See you next week. 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