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Strap in, folks, because we're
diving deep into the rabbit hole of conspiracy

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theories surrounding the total solar eclipse on
April eighth. It's like the universe cosmic

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spectacular meets a Hollywood blockbuster plot,
with every imaginable wild theory thrown into the

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Infidel sixty four has the story Infidel. Oh, as you said, welcome

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to the realm of the unhinged.
You know, the solar eclipse isn't just

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a mesmerizing astronomical event, but the
ultimate canvas for conspiracy theorists to paint their

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wildest fantasies. You know, from
a Masonic plot of rituals to allow the

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nWo to take over, to red
cattle from Texas and Israel for bringing back

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sacrificing animals at the temple. This
is a grab bag of lunacy, from

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rockets to particle accelerators. Everything's been
thrown into the mix of this patternicity to

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create the most fantastical tales of absurdity. Of course, most have video and

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evidence to prove their case. Just
as the moon momentmentarily eclipses the sun,

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watch far right extremists eclipse of reason
and the story we're talking about comes from

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Wired. It's by David Gilbert on
April fifth, twenty twenty four. So

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there's a laundry list that you just
mentioned Infidel of coincidental events happening on the

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same day, from the firing up
of the large Hadrian colander to the launch

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of NASA's satellite. It's like conspiracy
theorists dream comes true through I meant to

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say dream come true with every event
being twisted into the fit of the narrative

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from impeding do so, I know
that you kind of dived a little bit

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more into, you know, certain
examples of conspiracy theories that were actually espoused.

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Tell us a little bit more about
that Infidel. Well, you know,

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they talked about it passed over Bill
Clinton and Mike Pinc's house and jfk

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assassination, Waco, all these different
things, but really, you know,

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it's just a matter of as one
of them put you know, there are

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many indications that this is the start
of something big. No, if you

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cover enough area, you're going to
cross places where things happen. That's not

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exactly something supernatural, but you know, it really is odd how a lot

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of these people, and you know, this was a UK died in the

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World Conspiracy theorist, So I'm going
to do them a little injustice by thinking

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more of a slightly different accent.
But there's a hell of a lot of

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coincidences right here. I mean,
come on, be serious. But really,

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the one that I found very concerning
was was about Israel bringing back the

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sacrifice at the Temple with the red
heifers, because there are people that believe

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that this actually has to happen for
the end of the world to occur.

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They think these sacrifices have to be
resumed and the Third Temple rebuilt. So

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when these people start talking about things
like this, it concerns me because we

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need to be reminded that these are
people who don't just think the end of

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the world is a possibility, but
they want the end of the world to

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come about. And that's very concerning. Yes, it is. It is,

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Jason, Once you talk a little
bit more on your thoughts, oh

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man, Well, okay, So
you know, I'm in Texas, and

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what's really interesting is the day before
I recorded up at the ACA Library and

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it's great because Infidel was there and
you know, uh there with Jamie and

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all of our friends, and so
I made sure to get the fuck out

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of there as quick as possible because
I knew what was happening, because the

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next day everybody was kind of coming
to that area because right around San Antonio

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San Marcos there was the path of
Totality where you can see the full coverage

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of the moon and it's it's wild
because you know, I'm driving out and

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there's a line exiting San Marcos that
was just ridiculous. You know, the

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freeway was stopped because of everything.
So being being in a very conservative day

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like Texas, you know, like, uh, you know, a couple

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of us here understand you're you're,
I guess you're just your brain is getting

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saturated with this type of this type
of talking and speak in rhetoric, and

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especially working in the industry that I
work in, in oil and gas,

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you have a primarily conservative group of
people who work in that industry. So

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I heard a lot of this stuff
and it was really disconcerting and what a

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really if I have a second,
I put something in my notes, and

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what it reminded me of was an
article that I'd found when I was finishing

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up my psychology degree that I used
to discuss like difficulties that we deal with

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in this world due to people adhering
to fundamentals religion. Now the article it's

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called, well, it was in
the Journal of Applied Research in Memory and

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Cognition was published to twenty nineteen.
Yeah, and it's called the belief in

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fake news is associated with delusionality,
dogmatism, religious fundamentalism and reduced analytic thinking.

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It was Bronstein at all. Now, it was two studies with over

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nine hundred participants, and they're saying
that they demonstrated that although like the llusion

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prone individuals were no more likely to
believe true news headlines, they displayed an

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increased belief in fake news headlines was
often feature implausible content. Mediation analyzes suggest

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that analytic cognitive style may be partially
may partially explain these individuals increased willingness to

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believe fake news. Exploratory analyzes showed
that dogmatic individuals and religious fundamentalists were also

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more likely to believe false but not
true news, and these relationships may be

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fully explained by analytic cognitive style.
Our findings suggests that existing interventions that increase

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analytic and actively open minded thinking might
be leveraged to help reduce belief in fake

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news. So the way to translate
that is if people learn how to employ

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skepticism, which is I know all
four of us are all about, then

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it helps combat that tendency to believe
in fake news. And the thing that

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really stood out to me is that
they conclusively found in both studies that being

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being part of not just religious because
that's its own thing, but being part

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of a fundamentalist group, which is
what we see here in the South and

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especially was espousing these ideas, makes
you prone to believe fake news and not

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real news, which is really interesting
to me. That not real really stood

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out to me. So that's what
I wanted to add to this, Cynthia,

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and other articles and other studies that
support these notions of religious fundamentalists people

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being prone to what they call being
delusion prone, which is, in a

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sense, you're willing to believe in
something with evidence to the contrary. So

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that's why religion isn't a delusion,
but some of the results of fundamentalist thinking

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are delusion because you can show somebody
that this is not the case, and

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they still cling to it like they
cling to their own identity. So back

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to you, Cynthia, Well thank
you. Yeah, I kind of want

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to explore this whole notion about a
proclivity to being delusion prone. And our

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other resident student of psychology would be
miss Helen Green also on the panel as

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well. And I think that you
wrote a little bit about belief plus mental

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illness equals bad outcomes. What did
you mean by that? It's because we

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tendoth even people that have very very
health close beliefs still think they're coming from

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a rational place because the magical thinking
feeds into it. So for example,

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if you think the eclipse and like
goes along a certain path and the previous

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clips goes on another path, and
it forms a pattern, and this pattern

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leads to you know, you know, uh, Jesus signaling something, or

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the devil signaling something, or the
world government signaling something something something something.

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To you, it seems rational because
you're putting the pattern together. It doesn't

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hold any sort of like objectivity to
it. But so you you already have

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that thinking going okay. And then
on top of that, because of this,

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you think you're correct. Because the
one thing also and we do this

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all the time, even people that
are skeptics and bias, is that we

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follow the thing that makes us feel
good rather than what is correct. But

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the thing is, though, is
that if you don't have that rational thought

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and abjectivity to kind of pull you
back from that, you'll just follow the

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thing that makes you feel good.
And the patterns constantly confirm why you think

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that belief is it's going to lead
to bad outcomes because you're not living in

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the real world. You're not living
in the world of rationality, You're not

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living in the world of you know, this makes me feel good, but

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is it true the thing that's making
me feel good, the thing that's feeding

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that dopamine dump, that's feeding my
belief system, that's feeding like you know,

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oh, you know, the eclips
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you get all these influencers online like
confirming, you know, certain confirming your

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bad ideas because bad ideas don't exist
in a vacuum, and lean to those

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bad ideas leading into bad behavior.
Glenn, I know you're going to talk

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about this, the article that you
had posted about those ideas leading to some

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very very tragic outcomes. So even
though we you know, like I make

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fun of were conspiracy theories because I
love being a conspiracy theory, I like,

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I think that the way that people
think and the stuff they come up

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with is entertaining. But I like
it as entertainment like I will like ancient

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aliens as entertainment. I don't I
don't want anyone to think that these ideas

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can get so extreme that it causes
actual harm. But unfortunately, we see

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over and over again with bad ideas
and bad beliefs, that it can lead

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to actions that cause real harm to
other people. And and for you know,

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we know people that are you know, that have been ideas and I

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call them functional delusionals. They're able
to hold down a job, they're able

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to take care of their families,
they're able to do all the things,

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but they just have like you know, they think lizard people are real.

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Okay, all right, you know
it's I don't think you should think that

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way, but it's relatively harmons if
you're not hurting anybody. But the thing

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is, though, is that where
that line is and where mental where the

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bad belief feeds into mental illness and
those and if you're not getting proper treatment

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for that, it can lead to
bad outcomes. And that's that's the thing

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that I find so disconcerting when we're
talking about things like the eclipse because it

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exacerbates the people that are dealing with
those issues and it and it kind of

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aligns, for lack of a better
word, for those tendencies for those bad

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ideas to become action get amplified.
And that's the thing that's so disconcerting.

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But I want to explore that whole
issue concerning like bad outcomes and you actually

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and let's and it was also indicated
Infidel that you found a story about how

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this whole issue with I believe it
was a astrologer influencer that that did of

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that fatally stabbed a partner because of
you know, because of what because of

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this particular event to talk about you
know, talk about that a little bit

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more. You know, I almost
feel like that Jason and Helen set me

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up for this perfectly because he talked
about the tendency to fall for bad ideas

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and a fundamentalist group and then Helen
talking about the mental illness aspect, and

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you know, I'm not going to
go into the fact that we have a

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woefully inadequate mental illness UH program as
far as taking care of people who have

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real problems, because that's a whole
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as well. I'm glad Helen mentioned
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uh, she was an influencer,
as you mentioned, an astrologist.

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She had made some sort of name
for herself whatever that means in that in

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that world. And you know,
I found it interesting because on April Fields

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she she posted wake up, wake
Up, the apocalypse lips is here.

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Everyone who has ears, listen,
You're time to choose what you believe is

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now. And I hear so much
Christian rhetoric. Let he that half ear,

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let him hear, you know,
I hear that rhetoric almost echoing out

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of this woman who obviously has some
problem because she stabbed her partners. You

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mentioned as she got her child into
the vehicle, her two children and threw

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them out on the interstate and the
eight month old daughter died. Uh So

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I mean yes, And these are
the real ramifications of people believing bad things,

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and of course once again to that
mental health crisis we have in this

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country that we're not paying attention to. But this is why it's so bad

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and so dangerous, because, as
Helen mentioned, you know, they're functional

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people who you know, they believe
things. But does it really make a

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difference does it really change certain things? No, not really, it doesn't.

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But when it comes down to this, this is people being federal rhetoric,

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a diet of danger of threat.
And so what we have is this

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woman who obviously felt some real concerns, obviously not real issues external from herself,

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and the price is paid by a
family that's lost an eight month old

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little girl because of fear and a
market that is driven money, politics and

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control by fear. And so fear
costs us eight month old their life through

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their mom who could have really used
some help. But we're not really set

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up for that kind of thing anyway. Yeah, that's the horrible part about

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it. I mean, like all
of us can mention about how we can

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laugh and joke about these wild conspiracyory
but you know, the possibility of our

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more serious implications definitely are in the
freight, as you mentioned in Fidel,

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with this influencer who end up stabling
a partner there know the babe actually lose

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life and and and here we are
right and you know one of the other

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things that you know was a thing
that was on April eighth, or pre

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or pre April eighth, were far
right extremists using this celestial event to push

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their agenda of government control with warnings
of potential disruptions and cell coverage and electrical

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outlet out outages, and and some
are even convinced that this was just a

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smoke screen for a power graph.
I I kind of want to get the

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panel's thoughts about that, in particular
on how like, you know, some

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of these different people who will look
at a perfectly natural phenomenon and then equivocated

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to this particular far reaching issue concerning
power graphs and electrical outages and et cetera.

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I've started with Helen, then Infidel
and in Jason Lee. Okay,

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So I don't think when we're talking
about people that believe that this is connected

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to some kind of wider, you
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think this is just again when even
when we're talking about, like, you

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know, people that have mental illness, it's still looking for that pattern.

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And also when people want to believe
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an outside source, it's not.
You know, the systems and you know,

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culture, personality and all the things
that we know help the role the

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role of politics as it does.
Do they contribute to something that has to

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be outside of it, and I
think that it's right for people to take

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advantage of those things. And we
know that's happened. Qann comes to mind,

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and which was something that starts to
conspiracy. But then when a certain

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someone saw where the wind was blowing, took up the banner and it was

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like, yeah, this is helping
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about something like you know, an
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how it works, you know,
like we know we all know how this

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works, but they still have to
contribute some kind of like divine intervention to

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show that, like you're a particular
person that you really really really like and

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really really want to have power.
It's a it's a beckoning or harrowing of

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them like gaining that power, or
the opposite where it's a warning and dovo

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for that person or that person you
know, it's part of something that's really

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really bad and it's and it feeds
into that whole. It's not separate from

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religious belief. It's still politics.
Religion is politics, and politics is religion.

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It's all the same thing. Is
that I'm going I'm going to use

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something that is a perfect natural phenomenon
it's really cool. But if I give

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it a certain spin, if I
give it a certain meaning, then now

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I can influence my opinion into the
whitergeist. And it's it's annoying because this

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is just an eclipse. It was
really cool. I didn't get to see

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it. I stuff on the internet
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But you know, it's cool,
but it just frustrates me that people use

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celestial normal events to bring about any
sort of religious or political spice to a

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narrative. It's frustrating. I've got
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area. Unfortunately, cloud cover took
care of that concern. So in twenty

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seventeen we went to Nebraska for it
and that was really cool, but we

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missed the one close by. So
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that when people start talking about patterns, and I think you're right, hell,

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and there's there's a need seat patterns
and that expectation. You know,

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there are textured tiles in my bathroom
that I could tell you thirty things that

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I see images of all the time, because that's what our brains do.

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We see patterns, and so it
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right now, what we're seeing is
something a little different because we have people

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who have a desire to create this
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truth, it's not about being right. It's about constantly pointing fingers, keeping

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the cot, keeping it all churning, just stirring the pot, keeping it

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going. Because they breed off of
that dissatisfaction. They breed off of that

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frustration that they continue to feed.
So it doesn't matter if what you're feeding

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it is cotton, candy, or
actually something of substance, it's still going

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to feed the frustration. And that's
what they want. Now. Yeah,

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So what really stands out to me, all this stuff makes me think of

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as social conditioning. If you look
at the predominant kiddy tail, if if

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you look at the predominant belief,
especially where I live in the South,

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where a lot of us here live
in the South, it's Christianity, and

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it's a certain flavor of Christianity that
accepts the apocalypse is true. So what's

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happening is that? So Cynthia mentioned, you mentioned things like war and bad

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shit happening and people rising to power
and stuff, And I remember y two

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K, I remember very clear.
I was old enough to party at that

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age, and I just remember everyone
telling me shit was going to happen and

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all the stuff, and it didn't
happen, you know, because we were

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prepared. So the reason people thought
shit was happening is because they were tying

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it back to the revelations of John, you know, and that shit that's

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really driven down our throat in the
media, you know, like like like

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Helen and Infidel were talking about.
It's we've we've been primed for shit like

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this for a long time. But
we're also primed to follow authority, right

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so, and then anybody who's in
the media, anybody who's in politics,

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anybody who makes money in a sense
have been positioned at a place of authority,

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anybody who's given a platform, we
have an automatic. We need to

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listen to the thing happened to us, especially those like we talked about and

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have been talking about, and I
mentioned those who are primed for delusion prone

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thinking. So I think the root
of this is ultimately just a campaign almost

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like a syop that I mean saturates
every aspect of our existence. And then

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there's a book that everybody in these
fucking places that don't pay taxes that's taught

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and driven down our throat, and
everybody kind of has this like fear porn

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boner. People love destruction and fucking
bad shit and if they can be the

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one that's like knows about the bad
shit and can fucking say I told you

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so, and that just gives them
like a like a social boner. Right,

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So it's I think that we just
got a priming issue that goes down

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kind of just to the root of
our neurology and physiology. At this point,

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we respond emotionally to this type of
shit. It's easy to rile us

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up. It's easy to get people
interested, it's easy to get people focused

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on fear porn and from all the
reasons that Infidel and all and all the

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methods and ways of Infidel and Helen
what we're talking about. But I think

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the root cause is ultimately inculcation and
indoctrination and the normalization of armageddon. And

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if you I'll end with this,
if you look at the current stats of

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people who believe that there's going to
be an end of the world armageddon type

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event, it is is way more
than you would fucking think, especially in

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a country that's at the forefront of
medical and technological innovation. It really breaks

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my heart. So it's about all
I got to say about that. Yeah,

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it's it's very interesting, how you
know, Helen, you were talking

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about basically like endorphin response, about
the brain really endorphined. You know,

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when we when we focus on things
that make you good, But when I

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think about like world domination, triggering
events, and also the whole thing about

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armageddon, it doesn't make me feel
good. I'm so I'm so sorry.

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I'm so sorry that what I really
want to hit on this is because I'm

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gonna forget it. Dopamine hits during
the anticipatory stage when you are anticipating something.

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That's when dopamine hits. All this
is is fucking anticipation all the time.

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So I'm sorry to cut in.
I just really because you're hitting on

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something that's like something I was just
listening to Sapalsky talking about I'm gonna drop

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out, But I just I wanted
to hit that. It made me excited.

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It is a constant fucking anticipation,
so they're constantly getting psychologically fucking stoned

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off of this. Sorry, I'm
done. Sorry, Shell, You're no,

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You're perfectly fine. And actually that
because like that actually answers a question

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that was in my head because I'm
like, how in the world are you

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getting dopamine responses and also endorphins release
off of something that is extremely scary that

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we have. Yeah, and then
and we have no evidence to support well

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that exists, right, But you
know, I just wanted to decide tell

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everybody that I actually did get a
chance to witness the solar eclips in my

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area. We got about to ninety
four percent of talent in our area in

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the good old Windy City, and
I went out with my family to witness

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it, and it was really cool. Matter of fact, I believe why

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was the National Park Service in our
area even like held an event. News

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was out there. They distributed the
glasses so that we can actually see and

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I even got my mom on video
explaining the pathway of the moon and how

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the moon travels in an ellipses,
a pattern that contributes to the phenomenon.

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It was really great, and that's
why I just want to say, I

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love you, mommy, You're so
smart. But regardless when it comes to

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these conspiracy theories, at the end
of the day, there is zero evidence

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to support any of these coins.
So while some folks are busy connecting dots

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that don't exist, maybe it's time
for a reality. The eclipse should just

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be enjoyed for what it is,
a beautiful natural phenomenon, not a plot

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for world dumb