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of Tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that

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Hello, I didn't know like he
does. He puts his head back.

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Hello, Bucky Casta. That's who
I'm doing the shout out tonight too.

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That's my uncle Bucky. Welcome back
to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. This

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is the only one that brings the
to you legends isaacon on a nineteen sixty

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Most of you guys weren't even born
in nineteen sixty, but this you weren't

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even born. That's right right by
the way. You weren't even born in

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nineteen Yes, but this guy was
doing it, Steven, he was doing

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it up there in nineteen sixty.
Yeah, I was up there doing it.

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He was. He was up there
doing it in Brooklyn. He wasn't

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even on a year. He had
the he had the plane crash, right,

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he had the constellation. Yeah,
man, a shit sandwich. He

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had bad luck Charlie. Right,
you ain't kidding. That's bad luck,

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Charlie. All right, he's stilling
something. Right, he's eighty eight years

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old, so he might be good
luck. Blessing God bless him. Yeah.

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Well, anyway, Bucky Cass who
I hear the shout out that I

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was my uncle Buck. Yeah,
we have a photo of them. Let's

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le's get it up there. My
brothers, Me and my brothers went to

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see him. Had for over forty
years on the job. Started out and

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engine two thirty two, Section two. I believe wasn't seeing much fire back

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then in the sixties. I went
thirty two. But you know what,

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the guy in a wheelchair and everything
still loves to talk about the job.

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Bro still brought a smile to his
face talking about putting the sticks up.

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We'll talk about going to fire as
chief. Steve on the left, old

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man river, yesterday was his birthday. Oh happy belleated Steve. Yeah,

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big sixty six double sixes. That's
how old is year. It wasn't a

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fire. But my brother on the
right, that's time. How old is

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who? Uncle Buck eighty six eighty
seven something. He was like a burly

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guy too. Man if you saw
that guy. He was a big barely

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jolly jolly, like a big jolly
guy. Man always at my house always

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right roough, Oh yeah, always
there. He worked with your dad too,

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right, wasn't He went to ended
up going to one forty one.

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He went to one forty but he
was doing it back in the early days.

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Love, I told him, should
have want to soft. Was such

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a buff too, man, love
the job, Love the job? Is

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he? Yeah? Oh, big
time buff. That was a big buff

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too. Sometimes yeah, sometimes listen, well something we're drown two. I

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guess you know he only twists like
family and Yankees. But you turn your

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paying that around and he's got to
forget about it. Bro, he's got

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the would take the camera and turn
around and you can see the statues and

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the fire trucks. You about the
patches that he took off old shirts,

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that he's got them all this guy
right? Oh man, I do have

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patches too. I just have the
ship everywhere. Just yeah, to play

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the non buff. But we know, I love the job. You know

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the story one of us don't don't
afraid to admit it. You taste fire

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trucks on a bicycle and you were
a kid too for me. Yeah,

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I mean we all did. Come
on. I don't know if I did

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that, but I think I pulled
the box a few times. I know

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that would have slacked it with probably
one forty coming to rewind it, but

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I definitely did it a couple of
times. Well, Tomorrow, Rookie and

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I will be at the Long Island
Expo. Yes, here's another little treat

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for you on Saturday. If you
come sometime early late morning, early afternoon,

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Paul Hairshaking will be there signing his
book, One Hundred Years of Vowel.

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So come and see the living legend
Paul Hairshaking, have him sign your

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book, have him sign your shirt. To be feeding them bourbons. We'll

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be feeding the bourbons. You will
know where him starting to be signing at

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Cliff Yeah, just love Cliff sh
Coming see tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday.

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I know Supting's coming. I know
Procaccini's coming. Yeah, I'm not going

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in. Well Procacini bring his old
lady. Now you coming? Oh yeah,

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bring his old lady in the bottle
of I don't know what he's playing.

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I'm gong on Hitler's wife. Uh
you know, yeah, Oh,

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That's www. Dot NJFE dot com. Patty Lee said he would come,

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but he found out of twenty eight
thousand. He's on a fixed income.

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So listen, Partty, you come
out there, Louis, and I'll

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pay for you to get in.
I will even throw a hot dog down

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your truck. Dare you a double
dog? Dare you to come out?

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Put that thing up? From John
Delmhurst too. Yeah, yes, he

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was puffing. He was buffing in
two forty eight and what year sixty nineteen

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sixty three to seventy three, John, you must be all the Garrett Lingren's

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father was his first captain. Very
cool. Yeah, tee Garrett in the

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chat much lately anymore? Yeah,
he moved on to bigger and better things.

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Maybe I don't know who else.
All right, let's get him in

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here. I don't know. We're
ready money, Bill, You're ready?

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There we go, Bill Coming to
the Stage eighty eight year old FDNY Captain

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Charles Sollen looking good, cap,
Yeah, huh yeah, a lion.

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Please, we only tell the truth. I swear to you God, I

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told him in the pre show.
I'll sign the papers you told me.

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Where I get the contract that says
eighty eight, I'm signing it. Yeah,

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until you eighty seven and three quarter, then you might not sign it.

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Looks good. How do you feel
for eighty eight? Yeah, I

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guess eighty eight? Really everything hurts, yeah, sometimes more than others.

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You're still smiling, Charlie. So
I like it, Cap, I get

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around. That's all that matters.
I got a lot of support, a

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lot of family. Great, Yeah, all right, I'll be fun.

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You know what. We gotta get
patrioty. I almost I almost talk that

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turn. I'm sorry, Okay,
it's all good. All right, here

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we go. Stand by. I
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, One nation

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under God, indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. Boom still gets me

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right there, right, Charlie.
After all these years, now we're gonna

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go back. We gotta go.
We got a really roughie start. Cranking

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the time machine, because when we
go back, we gotta really crank the

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time machine. Ago that let's go
back to those early pictures, bro that

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his son sets us of a very
young lad. We're gonna go, h,

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I'm gonna bring this one up if
you guys are okay with that one?

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Now? Who is that? Joe
DiMaggio? That was a high school

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uh? You off of a city
championship at the Ebbittsfield And that was nineteen

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fifty two, nineteen two. So
you grew up in Queen's right, I

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grew up in Queens. Yes,
a story of Queens. Uh huh,

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I guess I could say until I
was there while we were married and moved

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the valley stream in sixty one.
It's a wild right. What you come

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from a big family? What did
your pops do? My father, well,

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he worked for a moving van the
company, and his father worked for

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this for the same company for a
while. But his father delivered coal,

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and my father worked as a furniture
mover and first stirch. And you soon

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thought to yourself, I ain't doing
that, man, I ain't no furs

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around, I ain't shoveling no coal
for me. So you played baseball,

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right because I heard you, and
I guess while in high school, maybe

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I shure did some more study and
be but that they had me believing I

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was going to be a ball player. I was doing a lot of things.

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Is that you that's you right there? Hey, that's me I had.

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Yeah, they it was a catcher. But the Cleveland Cleveland wanted to

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know what I was doing. I
said, I wasn't sure at that time

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if I was going to go to
college or not. And uh, which

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I didn't. And then uh,
uh, well, well I can say

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it wound up after playing ball.
But I guess the Phillies, the Philadelphia

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Phillies are the ones that wound up
offering me a contract. But it was

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I wanted to give me two hundred
dollars a month and send me the cliss

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and I said, no, that's
not for me. I worked out at

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the Yankee State. I spent three
days at the Yankee Stadium working out,

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and at the end of the third
day, their scout, which the head

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scout was Critchell. His name was
Critchell, and he brought me aside and

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he says he can't can't he didn't
say, he says, Charlie he says.

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Somebody should sign you. He says, but we can't. We got

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more catches than we know what to
do with right now. And they did.

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When I looked back at their system, they had catches all over the

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place, I mean, and one
of the catches became their manager, Ralph

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Alca. Mean. So yeah,
like I wound up an All Star.

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I wound up playing in a journal
American All Star game where the uh the

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City All Stars played the I think
was right here, Yes it is.

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We played the US All Stars.
So I mean, that's awesome. It

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was. And hey, I got
like I said, I have no complaints.

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I have no complaints. If it
was disappointing at the time, maybe

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I didn't realize it, but I
don't know. I I believe in God

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and God knows best, and I
relied on that and he guided me wherever

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I went, and I'll hold that
to today's thought. Okay, so,

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what what made you want to be
a fireman? Anybody a fireman? I

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had an uncle. His name was
Vin Haley, and uh he was a

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husband of my aunt. My aunt
was my father's sister. Well anyway,

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Vin Haley was a custom inspector,
but he liked the fire department, and

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he belonged to what they called the
Bell Club. The Bell Club had had

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a room in one of the hotels. I forget the name of the hotel,

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but he brought me to that room. And when I think of it,

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I look at that room. It
was wide open, and it was

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constructed, and it was positioned like
you would go into a firehouse. The

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house watch desk they had with the
bell system. They had a sink,

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they had the coffee, they had
a table. There was and the members.

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Members would freak with this place day
in and day out, and they

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would monitor and they would take turns
at the house watch desk like they would

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in a firehouse. They would sign
a journal, they would be they would

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record the alarms that came in and
they would say, hey, we got

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a fire at such and such a
and if it became a magnitude of fire,

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mean a fire at all, that
these guys would get up and get

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on their way to the fire.
And at that time the Belt Club was

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recognized that they were given up IDs
that could get them within the fire lions.

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I mean a lot. Let's face
it, the public is there's a

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line drawn, and nobody goes within
those lines. But these these members or

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what not had ideas and they were
offering they were allowed to get go into

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the fire lions. I never heard
that. Well, I think it wasn't

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So's father of belt, my uncle, No, his his son became a

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police officer. I think he might
be right. Yeah, all right,

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so you go to the bell club
and that that's when you got bit by

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the bug. Well that I yes, And also I wound up. I

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worked for an electrical distributor, Gray
Barre Electric, and while I was there,

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things were happening, and they were
an employee owned organization, and they

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had salary bonuses. But they all
of a sudden it became that you had

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to be thirty years of age and
you had to have five five years or

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more to get the maximum of their
bonus. And I didn't. I didn't

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fall into that category. So I
was I would say, pod right.

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So anyway, I wound up.
My mother in law, God bless her.

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One night we're talking and she knew
I was unhappy. She said,

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Charlie, then you got to go
civil service. You got to go with

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the civil s. I said,
well, sanateation, noough, I don't

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want to pick up people's garb and
the way it was the police department.

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There were no cause. There was
guys that were given a post and they

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would walk in the post, right, yeah, walking post and the beat.

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There was bad weather, they would
be standing on a corner and I

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said no, I said, I
don't want to be a policeman. I

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said, and they said, well
fire, I said, well fire,

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yes, I I'm going. So
I wound up taking the test and the

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rest was great. The rest we'll
get you. What year did you take

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the test? You got on in
sixty Do you remember when you took the

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got on the test. I believe
that the it might have been fifty eight,

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fifty eight, fifty eight. I
believe the test might have been and

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uh, I got on the nineteen
sixty eight. I might have been.

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I might have been on close to
the mid of As far as the list,

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everything I got, I got A
pointed. Then in October of sixty

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they swore us in on the twenty
sixth, effective the twenty ninth. How

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do you remember these things? I
don't remember what I had an hour ago?

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We got I'm like an hour ago. What are we doing right now?

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I guess my family can I'm a
little nutty with figures and nuts.

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I could probably go through eighteen grandchildren
and tell you their birthdays. That's crazy.

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I mean, this is the way. There's different telephone numbers. I

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know. I'll tell you, Hey, I can tell you about how did

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I get to one O four?
There's a story behind that. Yeah,

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I don't want to rush on.
No, we don't want to run easy.

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We don't want to rush. What
was the starting pay Charlie when you

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went what the starting pay? I
think it was thirty eight hundred a year,

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wow years, And that was in
October and then January first there was

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a pay raise of two hundred dollars. So January first of sixty one,

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if the pay was four thousand dollars, So that's where it was at that

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time. Well, he didn't go
to the firehouse right away. Back then

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you would go right, you'd go
to a firehouse first. Before the academy.

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No, I wound up when the
first day I had to go to

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the eleventh version was in the quarters
of two twenty nine and one forty six,

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and there had to be fifteen or
twenty of US one hundred one hundred

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were appointed, and they guess they
split a cent to fifty fifty fifty were

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going to school pretty much right away, and maybe it was alphabetically being I

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was soln and I think of some
of the names Pollinger or whatnot towards the

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end of it. But anyway,
we some of us went to the eleventh

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division and others others went to different
divisions. Well, when we got to

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the division, the deputy came down
and we wound up each given a folder,

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and each folder we were given a
what they called a this is your

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base company. My base company was
latter one oh six, so I had

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to go to report down there.
As soon as they dismissed us. I

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went to one oh six that was
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But anyway, when I got there, okay, the captain happened to be

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working that day, and the chore
was well, they were prepared for and

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will inspector, and I believe every
piece of metal that was used in the

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construction of that fire polish brand.
I think the whole day was polished brass.

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And at that time the firehouses,
they weren't given rags or anything.

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There were balls of twine that would
just I mean, if you if you

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took it apart you would get a
string, you would get a ball a

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string, but they were but anyway, we polished with polished brass and we

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didn't the first day there, we
didn't turn the wheel. Next day all

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right. It happened to be a
lieutenant working and that his name was Iorio,

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and fine he he was. He
talked to us with they talked to

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me, well at that time was
only me the probian, not how he

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talked to me and enlightened me of
what goes on in the firehouse and the

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rules, which was very good.
He was good, and we did have

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a run. We wound up with
a rubbish fire that was in a vacant

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lot. But the fire lapped up
onto the side of the building and we

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had to scrape the shingles down and
everything for the engine then to wash down.

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And the engine at that time was
engined two point fifteen, who was

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on India Street. In the street
they would shortly ended, they would disbanded,

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they were gone away with well okay, leaving that they wound up giving

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a detail we had to go to
was which was a part of the the

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shops. The shops were on off
of green Point Avenue, but on the

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upper point was office. There was
an office light and a structure and they

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the ProBiS. They were introduced in
what was what we called a proby training

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to the firehouse. They told us
what was expected in a firehouse, making

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the coffee. They taught us how
to make a firehouse bed. This is

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the way every bed in the fire
department has made. And that's how we

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were talking, and it progressed.
We had night training and that led us

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later on in a month later on, while at night training, we were

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at Randolph's Island at one time they
called it Welfare Island. But anyway,

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while we were their one night,
a fire erupted down in Manhattan one ninety

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nine bars. That was on I
believe the sixteenth of November. But anyway,

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down at the fire chief of the
fives at EIGHTI Prob's get the Probys

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down, they said. They put
us on a rig, a CD rig,

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and they brought us to the fire. Well, when you realize at

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that time in nineteen sixty there was
no radios, and you didn't see you

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didn't see masks, and you didn't
see power tools. So what they used

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us for was their communication. So
they broke us into pairs and a came

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over and said, hey, the
chief wants you to go to the roof

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of this building where they were operating
a line across the street. Now the

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fire was Grand and Broadway in Manhattan, and they had a line and it

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was going in across the street and
of the fire building. Now this building

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was a textile building. It was
I believe at least five stories, and

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it was it seemed like it was
fully involved. But anyway, we get

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we get up to the roof and
I said, the message was by the

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order of the Chief of department,
shut down and the engine company. Who

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the heck I need? And then
one guy says, what is he saying?

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A chief of department? Well,
okay, all right, we're gonna

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shut down. So we go downstairs. Yeah, fine, every well,

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it wasn't how many minutes later,
get back up and tell them to open

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up, open up. Oh yeah. Can imagine the comments that were made,

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all the things like, oh my
god, that's awesome. Get back

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down. We get back down,
and then all of a sudden they go

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up to the third floor. There
is a company operating a line which they

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were out the window across the street. And we leave that company and the

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two of us went up there and
I mean, okay, so we held

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the line out the window across the
street and only it didn't seem that much

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later that came up and they said, hey, they want you back down

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on the street. Well, I
mean, when you think about the time

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lapsing and whatnot. Finally the building
was they said, okay, it's under

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control. But in the meantime there
was three firemen missing and so searching and

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they did recover them. They recovered
them in the basement. Now imagine this

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huge textile building. When they got
deliveries and then went into the basement or

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the cellar of the thing. There
wasn't inventional steps. They just had shoots.

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So everything when they got delivery that
was dumped on a chute and a

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shoot just so well, what had
probably happened was these firemen who had to

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go down because of the body of
fire at the time. Initially they were

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down there at the beginning of this
whole fire. Probably they hit this shoote

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and they were well eight that's where
they were found, almost at the end

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of the thing. And they said
that the the what at that time they

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had what they called the masks.
The masks were called MSAS and it was

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a demand type and an MSA was
it was MSA because it was called mine

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safety apparatus. This is what the
coal miners used when they were digging in

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Well anyway, okay, well they
found they found the fellas and that was

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that. That was and then the
rest of the thing, well they knew

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they had how to get us back
because of the time when we were at

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training. Our training period was from
five p m. Till midnight. So

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we helped drag some of the fellas. We run we were doing the messageing.

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Some of the guys were dragging hoes. So anyway, we wound up

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getting back on the rig and going
back to the island. And that was

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the end of that day. And
those guys were they they found alive or

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were they passed? They f had
the three of them died. Three of

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them were found. They were found
the o way at the in in a

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in a basement, Uh just about
filled with water. Oh, you weren't

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even on the job a year yet. And the three guys passed. Ready,

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right, there was the three guys
and we finished that that probe.

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That part of the training was called
uh engine training because it was fittings we'd

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sat, we'd in the and the
officer while it was a chief that would

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give us a little problem. Okay, we got a two and a half

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inch mail, we got a you
know with three inch female. How do

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we put those two together? And
we had to go grab fittings and put

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it together. And this was all
part of the training. We got out

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of there and then they sent us
to sixty eighth Street. Behind sixteen truck

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was this big open yard and they
gave us ladder training. They put up

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an area we would climb the areel
with without a tool and then with a

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tool and the handling of portable ladders
and at that time, most of the

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portal that were all trust wooden trust
ladders. We didn't have metal extension ladders

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are at that time, and they
would We were instructed how to handle that,

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how to bridge, how to carry
everything. And of course the fire

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department had the so called life nets
and they would let's face it, when

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you look at it, it's quarterfall. Well you had to open up and

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then open it up, and you
had this ten foot ring and okay,

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all right, who wants to Okay? I so yeah, I'll go up

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and jump, I go up to
the fire escapele whatever it was, and

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I jumped into the net and the
offices. Thank you, But a part

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of that another part of that story. Now I jumped ahead. It was

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very when we first got there.
They lined us up and they said,

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okay, we're gonna put you in
size places. All right, Okay,

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who's six five? One guy gets
up, all right? Another guy six?

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Then all of a sudden, then
all of a sudden, wait a

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second, what about I'm six six? He didn't respond. That was part,

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but that was it. And then
after the latter school, we all

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were given a schedule and we wound
up rotating into various companies. I followed.

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There was only one of us at
a time in a company. The

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first company I went to was two
thirty engine, and in there you had

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days. You work five days,
you worked from nine to five, you

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were all forty eight hours. You
came back and then you work nights,

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and your night hours were from five
until midnight. Okay in there, well,

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okay, after a couple of weeks, what happens comes the sixteenth of

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December. Sixteenth to December. I'm
in two thirty five engine and the guy

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and watched this holy miracle The report
is that there was a couple of airliners

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crashed over Stirling in seventh and whatever
box was involved. So of course two

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thirty five the over they got together, see what are we doing that?

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Well, they pulled the card and
they looked for their assignment, and their

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assignment. I'm not sure if it
was the second or third. I'm thinking

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it might have been less to one
a second because when you look back,

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when you look back at the assignment
in cards that when an alarm came in,

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you got three engines, you got
two trucks, and you got two

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chiefs. This was the initial but
then as time went on they dropped off,

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okay, you don't need a chief, only one chief has to go.

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And then okay, the third two
engine, you know, uh,

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you're staying quarters if they need you. That's when they came in when when

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an all hands was needed, they
thirty in the third engine would go.

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But anyway, okay, air crash, we go. And I believe there

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was the pick. I believe that's
us at the were got there and we

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had to set up a multiversal.
We set up the multiversal. Okay,

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operated for a little while. We
were told a shut down, get a

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hand lined and get into the structure. Alongside the fuselage was down the street

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and off to the tail section was
this corner building which happened to be a

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funeral parlor. Well, we got
got the head, but first of all,

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we got to get these scots.
I'm not Scots. We got to

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get these msas. So we had
to go back to the apparatus. Because

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you didn't automatically take them. You
got to wait till it brought them back.

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The masks. We put the masks
on and all it is, like

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I said, it was a container
with the face piece and you had to

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take the tape off the bottom of
this canister which was called hopclit, and

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you it was a demanda. You
sucked. That's the only way you got

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air is if you sucked the air
through and hope that it filtered. And

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well we get into the funeral.
While we get to it, we can't

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we can't stand there. We got
to get out. We can't breathe why

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because some of this embalming flumets or
whatnot or from out what now behind it

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was burned and all it did was
make a brownish smoke. So we had

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it back out. And the way
we backed out. We felt the hand

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line that we had stretched to get
back out of there when we got outside.

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Okay, upstairs above the funeral pollo
was an apartment I guess where the

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people lived in. Any Way,
that's where they wound up bringing a hand

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line up there and knocking down It
was a little fire. Anyway, at

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that time we went to the window
to the office. Is get away from

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that window because otherwise you're going to
be called down there to sift, sift

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through to what he called shop me
and it was a total loss. The

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two planes collided. The passenger plane
came down on Surley and seventh. The

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other was a cargo plane which wound
up in Staten Island, and at that

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time it wasn't called Staten Island,
was called Richmond, they didn't name it.

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How many people were on board that
that plane? Excuse me? How

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many people were on that plane?
Do you know, Charlie, I'm not

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I don't know. I know that
it was less than one hundred. I

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think it was in the sixties something
like that. It's good at that time

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you didn't have these huge airliners,
large compatit, you know, compacity.

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So cap I want to ask you
so So first off, your son just

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sent us the picture gun show all
the picture of the three guys because I

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don't even know if I even know
about this fire. So we got this

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is the fire that you were at. The guys that were in the basement.

409
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Yeah, uh huh and thirty was
it? I only have two names

410
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.840
here that Yeah, it's kind of
cut off, but at least uh,

411
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.119
I mean, what were you thinking? I mean, you were at a

412
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.000
fire, one of your first fires, where we had three line of duty

413
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.880
deaths, and then you go out
to the field and you have two planes

414
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.039
collide in the middle of the burrow, Like what what any time? Did

415
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:46.880
you say? Holy shit? Man, I don't know if this is for

416
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:54.360
me or what's it? You know? That was it? It was?

417
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:59.840
It was you know, became part
of the job. And maybe that is

418
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.840
some of the things that you wind
up being instill to you that this is

419
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.280
what's going to go on now for
the rest of it. Truthfully, I

420
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.159
guess I liked I liked it because
I wound up and scared. I would

421
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:20.639
scare most most people, I would
think. But you know, my my

422
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.280
father in law, God bust and
so I had had a good friend,

423
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:30.519
very good family friend. His name
was Walter Wagner, and he spent his

424
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.559
whole career in twenty three engine in
Manhattan, and he retired and one day

425
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.079
at my father in law's house,
he says, holy mackful. He says,

426
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.920
I spent in whatever number of years, and you've seen more in a

427
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:54.519
month, which was true. Uh
yeah, one hundred and twenty eight people

428
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:59.519
were killed at six on the ground. That six people on the ground,

429
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.679
right, I remember that. We've
had a few people that were as there

430
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.280
you go, see, I mean, so then again right after that,

431
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.320
again we've had a few guys who
three days later then yeah, okay,

432
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:20.519
now I'm going into night a night
tour. And five it was the Constellation

433
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:27.519
the Brooklyn Navy Yard, an aircraft
carrier being built, is burning. So

434
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.880
we got in there, all right. We happened. I happened to be

435
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.400
working night and I'm working with the
captain and whatnot, and we got to

436
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.480
relieve. So at that time,
there was no transportation, no, there

437
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.440
was no cars available, so we
had to get our public transportation. Well,

438
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.440
we got down, we got a
bus on Bedford Avenue, we got

439
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:55.960
the Flushing Avenue, we got off
Flushing Avenue and we started walking and all

440
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:02.119
of a sudden, the department vehicle
is passing and the captain grebs the guy

441
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:07.960
they'd chauffeur there, and he and
the guy said just climb on. So

442
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:14.119
we climbed on this thing and what
an odor. But what it was was

443
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.280
just a pile of body bags they
were bringing to the Navy Yard because of

444
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:23.119
the deceased. I mean, when
we got there, the workers, I

445
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.440
mean, let's face it, they
were just laid out on a dock,

446
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:35.119
and you know, but anyway,
I think they lost fifty there. I

447
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.880
think it was fifty that they lost
there if I remember right, but it

448
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.559
could have been a lot more.
I mean, the guys said that,

449
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:46.039
you know, thefty and why did
an incredible job at that at that and

450
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.760
then and the box that was pulled
when he think they wound up one nineteen,

451
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.280
they had already located to one oh
five because of the air crash,

452
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:02.239
and they were still in three days
they were still relocated in one oh five.

453
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.159
Of course, one o five I
think was there over one hundred hours.

454
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.639
They were well anyway back here.
The box that was pulled was cant

455
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.679
and climber for the Navy Yard one
oh four is first doom. So they

456
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:24.480
wound up. But one oh four
had only a seventy five foot wooden ladder.

457
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.800
No, and even when I went
there, it's a wooden lade and

458
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:37.599
they could not reach an area where
I couldn't reach some of the workers.

459
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.400
Well, one O two wound up. They were the second second along.

460
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.840
They were special. They brought it. They had one hundred foot aerial.

461
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:50.360
They were able to get there.
They were able to make rescues. Thank

462
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:55.360
Kevin's so wow. When we got
there, we relieved. We had to

463
00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:02.039
go in to relieve the company,
and we had to go across. It

464
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.199
was below deck. It wasn't the
flight deck, it wasn't the first hangar

465
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.320
deck. It might even be bee
in a second or third deck, but

466
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.199
we wound up. We had to
walk across. Don't forget the constellation was

467
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:22.960
a thousand feet long and two hundred
and fifty feet wye and we had a

468
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:27.760
cross and we had to go to
the far side. I'm not sure if

469
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.679
the starboard or stern or whatever,
but anyway, there was still fire and

470
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.840
we got in there. We relieved
the company and we moved wherever there was

471
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:45.199
a little fire. And where we
were I don't know anything about the ships,

472
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:52.400
the construction, but there were different
ways they went into different locations.

473
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.239
When there was a bunk room,
it wasn't the bunk room for the entire

474
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.280
crew. There were sections, There
were different bunk rooms in different areas.

475
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:09.199
There was and there was cafeteria.
There were supplies that were being brought in

476
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:15.679
because of the building and the sections, and some of this section was more

477
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:22.599
advanced than the building, but there
were still supplies, and these supplies were

478
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.639
burning and whatnot. And there was
an area where only two guys could fit

479
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:34.079
to hold the line. Wow,
when you think of when you're a man

480
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.239
power at that time, engines and
truck there was only a four man company,

481
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:44.360
four men and an officer. Well
in an engine company, the MPO

482
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.519
stayed with the ring. So there's
only three guys now going well, now,

483
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.360
if only two guys, I wound
up being the fourth guide and not

484
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.840
Proby and Fine. So the two
of us were paired in and we we

485
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.679
knocked down what we could and we'd
last fifteen twenty and then we came out

486
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.000
and another two guys and we progressed
to as far as we could, and

487
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:15.400
during that point we met rescue and
rescue passed us and they said yeah,

488
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.320
and they told us where they saw
a little further and all they were they

489
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:27.159
were on a continuous search operation rescue. They were just looking for persons or

490
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.840
at that point there was not going
to be survivors, so they were looking

491
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:40.159
for the loss. Well anyway around. I guess it was midnight, maybe

492
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.639
after that or before that, well
we will they would just be up.

493
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.360
The story was that the fire department, the chief of department, the ship

494
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.159
was listing. It was a four
degree list, and the chief of department

495
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.480
said, we want to cut a
hole in and to drain, and they

496
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.960
were ordering the marine unit to come
in and cut and the pentagons. No,

497
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:13.679
you do touch the government property.
You don't touch that both, you

498
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:19.360
know. But anyway, okay,
So the fire department never cut a hole

499
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:24.119
in it. So so we got
to a point we wound up taking up.

500
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.159
The captain said, thanked me.
He says, I'm going to write

501
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.519
your well for voluntary duty. I
said, well, whatever, I should

502
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.679
have been going home at midnight right
again, but no, so I went

503
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:40.559
to the firehouse of whatever I might
have been two three o'clock in the morning.

504
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:43.639
I said, well, I'm not
going home. Now, I might

505
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.679
as well just hang out till the
end of the tour. So that's what

506
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:54.639
I did. Well to be that
that cabin caught another job. We went,

507
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.559
we had, we did, we
came, We caught a we caught

508
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:04.320
a small fire in a BA with
the one a little free nothing. Well,

509
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:12.320
after you go to the constellation and
aircraft, Yeah, I guess it

510
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.519
was a building. We would have
said it was really nothing compared to four

511
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:27.639
five fire. That's easylation. It's
that consolation. How that fire progress so

512
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.519
fast is because of the fuel.
There was a five hundred and fifty gallon

513
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:42.000
JP four fuel and one of the
one of the high lows of whatnot,

514
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.679
was transporting one of the steel plates
to a location, and as they passed

515
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.480
this tank, they shared I don't
know it was a valve, but some

516
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.360
sort of valve or safety plug,
and it ripped open the tank and the

517
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:04.679
tank just spew every direction and it
went down what they called a bomb elevator

518
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:09.639
and going down. I didn't know
that's how it started. Well, now,

519
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.400
now this tank was on one of
the upper levels and on on a

520
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.440
hangar, not a yeah, one
of the hangar decks. So that fuel

521
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.800
is pouring down, and a deck
or two below there is a guy with

522
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.440
the torch. He's he's doing some
welding. And as soon as it hit,

523
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.039
not for long, you was it? That went up right? Right?

524
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:38.960
Probably that was it? So no
one hit him. That went up,

525
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:45.360
went up up that bomb well and
the well. The rest is history.

526
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:51.119
Wow. Wow, I feel like
we're already. That's like more excitement

527
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:55.400
than my whole career. He didn't
even get out of it, weren't even

528
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:01.159
out of the nineteen sixty yet,
he's not even sight that little three days

529
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:13.280
on the job, three days work
as a prob would hundred and two.

530
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.679
We had one job. Now I'm
the probi. I'm taking a hook in

531
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.719
the and the extinguisher right, so
I grab the extinguisher, start and then

532
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.320
one guy says, we won't need
the extinguisher, leave it because the building

533
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:36.000
give it to him. That was
another thing with the extinguisher. At that

534
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.599
time, we didn't have pressurized water. We had soda and ashid extinguishers,

535
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.280
and you had to mix a solution
and you put it in and then you

536
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:53.280
had the acid that you put in
the top, so that when you got

537
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:59.480
and you want to operate, you
had to turn the extinguish over, shake

538
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:07.039
it so that it would mix with
the bycoss. That would create create the

539
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.360
pressure and she would have a stream. And that was And you also had

540
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.840
another type of extreme which was the
phone extinguisher, and it was a different

541
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:22.519
combination, but it operated the same
way. And when you used it every

542
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.960
day you came back to the quarters
you how to refill your extinguisher. So,

543
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.599
I mean, how things changed through
the years. I mean, I

544
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:36.280
said, in wonderfol we had a
seventy five foot wouldn't it. I don't

545
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.960
think we. I'm trying to think
that. I think nineteen sixty three is

546
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:45.480
when we got a ceegret, a
hundred foot aerial didn't get there yet.

547
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.480
That's my favorite pictures too, by
the way, the ones that he said,

548
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.039
I want to get that. Oh
my god, the roof that that

549
00:48:54.159 --> 00:49:01.400
wouldn't aerial. I mean, let's
face it. The shover had to get

550
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:08.679
up on a turntable and pound the
foot on a lever that would kick the

551
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.480
bed ladder up. And it was
all spring loaded. This was a hot

552
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:21.119
and night high hydraulics was spring loaded
and he got and then there was cranks

553
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:28.559
on each side to extend the fly
ladder, and then noticed that I could

554
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:36.199
be in good shape. Story on
the wooden aerial. We get relocated one

555
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.039
day. Now this wooden aerial has
got an overhang of about six feet.

556
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.000
The tiller is up there. He's
on top of the riff. Anytime the

557
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:50.760
aerial had to be used, he
had to pull a pin and remove the

558
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:59.920
tiller so that the aerial could be
used. One day, we get real

559
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:07.519
located to one. We go in
there. The chauffeur's backing, Remember there's

560
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.639
an overhang, its backing up,
backing up. All of a sudden crash

561
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.920
every firehouse and all the rigs.
When they back into quarters there was a

562
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:23.440
bumper. He knew when the chauffeur
knew one to stop when he hit they

563
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:30.079
hit the bumper. Didn't have a
rig with an overhang, biker, So

564
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:37.559
chauffeur just kept going, waiting to
hit that bump. Well, what he

565
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:45.639
heard was the extension going through the
rear windows. Uh yeah, and the

566
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:51.800
tillman leaped from the seat. I
got and his and the tilevit will.

567
00:50:51.840 --> 00:51:00.679
He wound up transferring. He wanted
to go to Queens someplace, but hey,

568
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:13.800
the stuff there where at I worked
rescue I'm not rescue were uh.

569
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.920
I even did a stint in the
squad there in the in the three four

570
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:23.760
battalion and the squad all it was
was a bread wagon. I mean you

571
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:28.119
you didn't have a seat, you
had a school. You were a little

572
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:34.599
like you went to a soda shop
or a fountain. You had fixed to

573
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:40.440
them things in the back of it, you know. I used really at

574
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:45.719
that time, the squads was for
manpower so they wouldn't have to have another

575
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:52.440
company or whatnot. They brought us
in and we would help with a line

576
00:51:52.280 --> 00:52:00.760
and it would depend on the officer
when it was time to take up,

577
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:07.679
if that squad officer was nice enough
to use the men to help them take

578
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.719
the line up, or would say
okay, let's go and leave leave the

579
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.679
line that they might have to leave
it there. But that's what did and

580
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.440
that was you know different. Like
I said. Then, finally, after

581
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:28.280
that stint, like I said,
here it is March, I'm going finally

582
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:36.079
to Prob school. Oh going to
school, Well, yeah, finally to

583
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:40.880
school finally. So Prob school officers
really love it because while we were there

584
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.440
the drill periods, we were being
taught knots, we were being taught whatever

585
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.239
was available in the firehouse. It
was a truck company, it was the

586
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.800
truck tools. So when we got
to Proby School, somebod these offices when

587
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.400
they went to teach us, they
would use somebody a slang or something and

588
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:08.840
yeah, you wise guy, let
me see you talk, and one of

589
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.519
us would go up and we were
tired and not that they were trying to

590
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:22.559
teach us what this was it and
Proby School six weeks and the biggest the

591
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:29.719
biggest thing while in Proby School was
getting the use of the m s A

592
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:36.159
mask? How do you because they
most of most of the island at that

593
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:45.320
time was vacant hospitals. So what
they did, They tell you to don

594
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.000
the mask? No fire is it? Just run up the stairs to the

595
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:55.480
roof, no fire involv with the
mask on. What who let's see who

596
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:01.039
can get to the roof without pulling
the mask off. Some of us made

597
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:07.679
some guys didn't make it because suck
by time you get up your sucking air

598
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:16.880
like you all your work. And
the other part was getting used to a

599
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.920
hose line with pressure. You know, to back you open up a line.

600
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:30.000
You got a belt if you so
you get used to pressurized lines,

601
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.679
and that was to me, that
was a biggie. That was a big

602
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.639
one. Instructor, well, one
of the guys when he opened up the

603
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:45.840
line, he let it go and
that line the instructor is alongside, hit

604
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:52.800
him in the ankle. It's it
smashed his ankle. He went, YEA,

605
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.840
that's do joke. No. I
wound up and okay, I went

606
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.079
to one O four. Now there's
a story behind. Somebody knew where I

607
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:08.199
was going the first day I got
on a job. Really, I'm saying

608
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:15.519
it's faith mentioned. I was given
directions how to get to that eleventh division.

609
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:21.719
Was I given the right direction or
did I misinterpreted? But I wound

610
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:27.280
up on have Amaya and South fourth
Street in Williamsburg. And when I got

611
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.159
off, I said, oh my
god, I'm supposed to get to Richardson

612
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.599
Street. I asked Similia. I
said, hey, do you know where

613
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.440
Richardson Street is? Oh? Oh
my god, I said, here it

614
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:43.159
is twenty after eight. I've got
to be there to be fine. Now,

615
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:47.079
okay, I said, well,
I'm looking for a firehouse on Richardson

616
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:52.960
Street. Well that was a definitive
word firehouse. You just go down to

617
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:57.719
South second, make a turn a
couple of them. Well, when I

618
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:02.440
went down south second, made the
turning, went over my car to twenty

619
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:07.360
one and one oh four. I
asked the guy on watch. He gave

620
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.480
me the directions and there get to
know eleven makeup right there got me to

621
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:16.679
Richards Street. I got there by
twenty to nine, but I said one

622
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.199
and when I got in to go
back to that spot, right, crazy,

623
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.400
totally, Macael, Huh to go
back to that spot like after you

624
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.199
were there already, to get the
instructions like that's crazy. It was.

625
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:36.920
It was, I'll tell you,
and hey, one of four who weren't

626
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.119
the business when I got there the
first year. I don't think they had

627
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:45.840
a thousand runs. Really, really, what it progressed neighborhood change. Different

628
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:53.800
groups of people moved out and other
groups of people moved in, and situations

629
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:02.360
change. Fires. We started getting
fires. I talk about some fires there

630
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:12.280
I seen. I will I wouldness
some decent rescues that would today be written

631
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:17.320
up. Back then, things weren't
written up. Is free you? Yeah?

632
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:23.639
It was all And we had we
had two especially one Lieutenant maur We

633
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:28.199
come out. He would say,
good job, fellas, and we knew

634
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.079
he would if anybody said anything,
he says, that's our job. This

635
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.480
is just the way it is.
That's the way it is. And I

636
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:45.119
can say on a whole, I
would say we did. I think we

637
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:50.119
did a good job. We did. We weren't the business we became.

638
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.320
We finally made and I forget the
year, but we finally made the top

639
00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:02.599
twenty five in workers. And the
reason we made that is because the TCU

640
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:10.360
units came into being at that the
TCU Tactical Company Unit, that's what they

641
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:19.000
called them TCU, and the one
by us was in one O two,

642
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:27.760
so that TCU was called TCU seven
O two seven of course being a truck

643
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:35.119
right, and the engine had another
one. But their hours came in they

644
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:40.559
worked. Their hours of running TCU
was from six pm till midnight, so

645
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:46.320
one o two they were running,
or if they run, it's because there

646
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:52.320
was another another box or another fire
and they had to go. And that

647
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:57.119
was they were almost like a second
a second section. But that was the

648
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:02.320
year that one oh four. While
up like making the number twenty five,

649
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:09.159
we made number twenty five as on
workers. But other than that, Hey,

650
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.039
Cap, who are some of the
guys, Yeah, excuse me,

651
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:15.920
Cap, who are some of the
guys there that you remember when you first

652
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.079
got there, that stuck out to
you, that helped you. My first

653
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.119
when I got in there, the
captain, his name was Utenski, and

654
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:28.199
he was the pro I was being. I was a prop He wanted me

655
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:32.480
to travel to and from in proby
uniform, the type of uniform that the

656
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:40.159
probs wore. And he you tell, and the fellas that were in there,

657
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.559
there was one guy I would say
that was young, but there was

658
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:54.719
the old timers. It was like
Jene Flaherty, IRV. Lungern, Steve

659
00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:01.280
Simkowski, Charlie Pensack. I mean, uh huhm. There will be a

660
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:07.199
number of guys between both with the
Skis the s k I at the end

661
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:12.639
of the day, and they were
the green point. Yeah, that was

662
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:17.440
a point guys, right exactly so, But it was good house. No

663
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:24.159
hey, hey, there was the
colored or the black ordered African Americans and

664
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:30.519
whatnot. They were there was a
few of them, not what they were

665
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:37.519
there. In fact, On Stanward
was one of them. And stand you

666
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:44.119
would you you I'll get back to
the one day there was by whatever differences

667
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:51.000
that might have occurred in the firehouse, we never used the derogatory return of

668
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:59.519
any But anyway, we get we
get the uh stand. They started talking

669
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:01.280
a lot uh and he says,
well, I'm not one of them.

670
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:07.239
He said, you know, I
came from India, you know. And

671
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:12.760
so another guy turns around and says, oh, so when you were kids,

672
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:17.599
you didn't play cowboys and Indians.
You you play cowboys at Indians,

673
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.239
you know, Indians. And they
turned it around and I just messed it

674
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:30.280
up too. But anyway, I
learned that. I'll tell you. They

675
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.960
got me up into the tiller section
right away. Well, by the time

676
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:39.679
I had a year I on a
job, I was tilleran and one year

677
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:46.440
tilla and leaving that firehouse, not
every firehouse, I don't maybe nobody will

678
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:52.039
remember. Is what they called on
the side of the building was what they

679
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.840
called a slap switch. And it
was the tillaman's job going out the door

680
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.360
to slap it, to slap that
script so the doors would close, come

681
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:09.639
on, That's what it was.
And that didn't last too long because the

682
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:16.000
neighbors all of a sudden knew that
nobody would be in the firehouse. So

683
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:23.000
before those doors actually really close,
they could sneak in there and do that,

684
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:30.639
and a couple of tilam in most
of their arms, so that it's

685
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:42.920
time. Then it was the time. I'd say Gene Flowery was most of

686
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.800
the time he was if you were
working. And also at that time,

687
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.400
when you look at it, there
was only an eight group system in the

688
01:02:53.519 --> 01:03:01.599
firehouse groups one to eight. The
officers groups were one, three, five,

689
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:07.440
and seven. I happened to go
into group two, so I worked

690
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:14.039
with one officer one day and my
second tour I'd be working at with the

691
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:19.159
other officer. The way it worked
this is and this is the way it

692
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:24.239
was, our twenty four group system. And because if you look at it,

693
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:30.159
you only had four, you only
had four guys. But there was

694
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:43.280
no overtime. Overtime didn't come in
until nineteen seventy two. So that played

695
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:52.480
really before. That played havoc mostly
with the poor engine because during that time

696
01:03:52.519 --> 01:04:00.519
there was there was no Arizano's Bridge, there was no and let's face it,

697
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.679
in the spring over in Staten Island
or Richmond whatever at that time,

698
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:16.079
there was tremendous brush fires. Lowel
Manhattan would be sent over to Staten Island.

699
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:20.719
They would have to get on a
ferry and they would transported over there.

700
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:29.280
Well to twenty one. They wound
up relocating to Manhattan. Sometimes those

701
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.679
things in Staten Island got so twenty
one had to get on a ferry and

702
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:38.840
go over there. When it came
time to quit, you're on your own.

703
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.280
The job didn't say oh, do
or take your rig and what oh

704
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.960
blah blah. No, that was
it. That was their attitude. I

705
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.079
mean, later on they started changing
things. Yes, thank Kevin's it's crazy.

706
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.039
If in the firehouse there might have
been a guy say all right,

707
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.760
use my car, let's go,
you would have they would have to go

708
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.880
down to Manhattan to the pier.
What had happened was the guys would be

709
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:11.960
able to get on the ferry and
get back to Manhattan, and the member

710
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.239
who allowed his car to be used
could use his car to get back to

711
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.480
quarters. But now the guys there
how to go back. I fell to

712
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:25.159
get the rig the rig is still
over there, and do whatever they had

713
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:29.840
to do until they were told to
take up. So there was times that

714
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:35.039
guys didn't get back to maybe eight
o'clock at night having sake. That was

715
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:41.639
but that was God show some of
the pictures from some of the jobs.

716
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:47.079
Yeah, it was I know,
but before power tools, baby, okay,

717
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.519
you want to hang out loop for
a second. No, it was

718
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:56.519
power tools. Well, let's face
it. Oh boom there it is.

719
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:03.480
Okay, that happen. That happened
to be. Uh, I guess I'm

720
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:06.920
looking at the tool. I know
I was a show for because that was

721
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:13.599
a pike a pikehead X and that
that was my tool I used as a

722
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:19.119
show. And we're up on the
roof and second alarm and it was a

723
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:25.440
couple of pictures taking that and like
I said, no tool, there there's

724
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:30.760
another one and behind me is Joe
Joe Allen, little Bruce shrinked right there,

725
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:36.719
buddy, Oh yeah, this is
there's the third who was taking those

726
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:42.559
pictures. Cap you remember, Yeah, he was a former member of the

727
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:47.800
two twenty one engine and he was
into photography and he asked for detail and

728
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:56.800
he got detailed to the to the
photo unit and he wound up chasing fire

729
01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:00.639
and this happened. That's great that
you have those pictures. He caught them.

730
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.039
He caught them moment we were talking
to the fire too, right coming.

731
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:09.360
Look chops, look at them chops. Look at those chops, man,

732
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:21.559
those seventies chops. Those sixties chops
maybe uh huh. Look at the

733
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:30.199
chiefs car in the back there was
it was a great it was. This

734
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.599
really is for the instagram. Oh
yeah, that's why I use it for

735
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:39.840
the thumbnail. It was just that's
a solid pick. So you got to

736
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:45.719
hear something about nineteen sixty four.
Uh, Squad three the fireman killed and

737
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:50.920
Squad three that was mark what and
what? There was a fire and then

738
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:59.199
the Jewish Yeshiva school h and it
progressed to a point and became a multiple.

739
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.119
Well one four we wound up going
and we got over the When we

740
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:11.800
got over, Uh, Gus Catnice
was the chauffeur, and we had a

741
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:18.840
detailed from rescue to Tony Maddy his
name was. And what had happened was

742
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:28.439
as we got just about got there, Waki who was the officer. I

743
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:31.920
don't know if he was It might
have been silber to thirty, but anyway,

744
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:36.640
he came to a window which happened
to be like the only window on

745
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:44.319
that side of the building, and
he screamed the collapsed men trapped. Well,

746
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:50.199
there was a fence that was too
high for the ladder to get in

747
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:56.560
to the angle needed to get to
that window. So we grabbed the thirty

748
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.479
five foot extension and we got and
we went up, we got in the

749
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:06.119
window. We've we moved along and
as we moved along there was I don't

750
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:12.000
know how many inches of water already
on the floor and the squad, the

751
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:19.239
squad just relieved one two at that
point, well, the collapse happened and

752
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.560
guys from the squad were hit.
One guy was cut bed. Well,

753
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:29.439
they wound up getting him a but
there was still Mark What was under the

754
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.239
ceiling because it was a monolithic and
the whole thing came down at once,

755
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:39.560
not in a piece, but the
whole thing because along the lines I guess

756
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:45.199
the school they built a hanging ceiling
rather than just leaving it open. But

757
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.199
anyway, Mark What and Tony and
I we wound up getting to the edge

758
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:56.119
of this of that portion, and
we were able to pull up and some

759
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:01.920
other guy pulled Mark What out of
from underneath it. We got him out.

760
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:11.000
I was giving him a cardiac And
by the time we got out and

761
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:15.600
started working, a deputy the eleventh
Division came and said, I want you

762
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:17.119
out of the building. Get him
out of the building. So we took

763
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:21.319
him out of the building and we
went down the stairs into it and we're

764
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.960
in. Now we're in the courtyard. While we're in the courtyard, Okay,

765
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:30.479
by this time, the medical officer, Ginsburg was the medical officer comes

766
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:34.000
over and oh, my god,
we need a trade kit. I don't

767
01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:38.560
have a trade kit. A guy
from rescue runs across the street, gets

768
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:46.079
a razor, gets the razor blades, and Ginsburg cuts a trachea opening and

769
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:51.039
whatever they need. They use the
base of a ballpoint pen and they placed

770
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:57.199
it into the trachea and the lieutenant, my lieutenant who was covering at the

771
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:01.840
time, his name was Hutner,
Lieutenant hut and he was he was blowing

772
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:12.119
into the trait and every but the
blood would be popping out, and they

773
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.479
said, the ambulance is there.
I'm still pushing on the heart and we

774
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.399
carried him, got him into the
ambulance. He was gone because the poor

775
01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:26.000
guy, I mean, I mean
getting hit, the way he got hit

776
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:31.680
and whatnot, he is to describe
it. Bile was coming out of his

777
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:41.760
nose and he is from the trauma
involved. And I believe he was gone,

778
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:46.399
but they couldn't. They couldn't pronounce
him gone until he got to the

779
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:51.960
hospital or a doctor examined them.
So but that was Marquart and that was

780
01:11:53.119 --> 01:12:02.000
nineteen sixty three. Wow, who
is in the job mackerel? Yeah,

781
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:09.119
me and I moved one day.
I sent me to Actually I went to

782
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:16.000
chau For School before I was first
grade because a couple of the chaff one

783
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:26.159
uh got promoted another another the same
the same group. Joe, he went

784
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:29.840
to the fire marshals. So there's
too. And that other fellow I tell

785
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:39.479
you he was a chauffeur. He
got transferred. So Moran the lieutenant.

786
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:42.039
One night, he says, hey, did you have a drive? I

787
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.199
said, yeah, okay, and
I on the side when I worked on

788
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:48.279
the side, I worked with that
where my father were movie company. But

789
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:53.239
anyway, I drove the truck,
so I said yes. He yah,

790
01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:58.039
Gus let him let Charlie drive.
And that's what I wound up. I

791
01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:04.479
was and I learned standard transmission with
a wooden ladder, and wound up I

792
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:13.319
wound up going to Chauffe School in
Yeah, it was just I guess.

793
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:17.279
I was in Chauffe School just as
I turned first grade, was in octobery

794
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:25.039
in October of sixty three, because
when the department order came down that I

795
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:33.600
was given the qualified chauffeur title.
It was on the twenty second of November

796
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:40.159
nineteen sixty three, and if you
remember that day, that's today President Kennedy

797
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:45.520
was assassinated on the twenty second the
twenties. It's also one of our granddaughter's

798
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:53.680
birthdays spent. But and okay,
I wound up being a show. Yeah,

799
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:59.600
so when details came in, I
wound up being detailed. But hey,

800
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:05.920
that was part of it. And
then the one put the chauffeur,

801
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:12.319
Sam Giamo, got promoted. When
he got promoted, the captain said,

802
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:16.159
hey, Charlie, you're get in
a seat. And I said, well,

803
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.319
I said, I don't think I'm
in line. I think that so

804
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:24.760
and so is in line. I
want you to. And I went to

805
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:29.840
the other fellow and I said,
hey, I said, I don't know

806
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:34.399
what he's doing, but and Tom
said, jolly perfect, it's just the

807
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:38.279
way I would like it. I
don't want to be you got it.

808
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:45.600
And I wound up and okay,
And I guess that was good years for

809
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:53.359
me because I not to say that
I'd love to you that airy you lie.

810
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.840
Every chance I saw a smoke or
something, I was putting the area

811
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.920
up and going through a wonder or
something. One job, it was only

812
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.279
food on the stove, but the
smoke was coming out and as I'm going

813
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:11.079
in it was the chieftain. Okay, truck, that's it. We don't

814
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.399
take the glass cap, take the
glass I always say. With the new

815
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:23.119
rigs, though they had they had, you had a bed ladder pipe already,

816
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:28.800
man mounted to your bed ladder.
The captain like the drill on that

817
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:31.079
at time when we went out on
drill, how to put that thing into

818
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:36.159
operation? As well as putting we
also carried a fly ladder pipe that we

819
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:45.479
could put on. Well, we
had a fire vacant building, three story

820
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:50.840
job only not even two blocks from
the firehouse, so we would in no

821
01:15:51.039 --> 01:16:01.520
time. Engine founder A. Hide
said, not only that one nineteen had

822
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:05.720
gotten the towel ladder, and when
they came in and we had a bed

823
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:13.680
ladder going, they were moaning the
troubles bowl ladder. But the ship on

824
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:18.920
that birthday cake cap. I mean, let's face it. Where where there

825
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:24.039
were boxes, you knew who would
come was coming in, If you knew

826
01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:30.159
you had a chance to beat them, you know what I'm talking about.

827
01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:35.199
That's what they did. They did
the same thing. We did the same

828
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:41.920
thing. Baby. There was there
was companies that would search their their their

829
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:46.000
response area and try to figure out
a way of getting you knocked off with

830
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:53.960
the response and them, and we
did a lot of them. I'm excited.

831
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:58.000
One away went to a new quarters. In the new quarters what the

832
01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:02.359
end of my are one O four
Administrative District. So I mean we played

833
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:06.279
games. We go over there to
building a new firehouse. We put we

834
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:12.880
would put a condemned notice on there
that you know this building is condemned,

835
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:20.520
you know. But it was all
good fun, good fun. And hey,

836
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:25.319
guys were good. Did we did? We did jobs? Say we

837
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.000
got we got I guess unit citations, we got a number of them.

838
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:36.880
And what what about Class three?
Here? Though? I wound up,

839
01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:45.680
let's face it over, what the
heck you was it that I wound up

840
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:53.800
with a roof rope rescue? We
get that? Yeah? Which one are

841
01:17:53.840 --> 01:18:00.880
you talking about? Talking about?
Your that one there is Drakes Avenue,

842
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:10.520
Yeah, Drakes. Well we came
in company everything. I wound up,

843
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:15.239
Like I said, I wound up
being a chauffeur. I got in there

844
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:19.960
was a new law. I went
down, I went down the driveway and

845
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:27.800
I'm in the in the courtyard and
the fire is coming out of the pres

846
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.720
it's into the second and okay,
I got to get on that fire escape.

847
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:36.920
So I used my tool. I
was able to release the fire escape

848
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:42.399
drop ladder, so the fire skater
I went up. And because the way

849
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:50.199
the fire was lapping up, I
couldn't use any other any other step stair

850
01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:55.439
for the fire. So I had
climb over the railing which there was a

851
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.279
window, and I got in the
window. And when I got into that

852
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:01.479
window, there was a a family
in there. There was the mother,

853
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.399
father, and two kids. The
two kids might have been three or four

854
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:10.000
years old. Now the fire is
lapping around, it's getting getting high,

855
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:15.880
and they don't want to leave.
Because what went on is when when apartment

856
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:20.199
people were running out, the bandits
were running in stealing, and this is

857
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:25.960
what happened, And this is what
happened with vacant buildings. If one apartment

858
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:30.239
became empty, that's the apartment they
would set on fire, and everybody else

859
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.399
around it would be running out and
they would come in and steal. I

860
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:40.239
mean I went in the building.
I'm going in the building and somebody's coming

861
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:45.520
down with a television on their shoulder
and you know it was there, or

862
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:50.159
they steal. They would steal anything
and all right, So this particular I

863
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:55.319
get into this apartment and whatnot,
and they don't want to leave, and

864
01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:58.159
I said, we got to get
out of here. We're choking. Everybody

865
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.800
was starting to choke. It wasn't
ask and what not. So I grabbed

866
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:09.199
the two kids and I told them
I'm leaving. Grab my coat. So

867
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:13.920
one of them grabbed my coat and
we get out of the apartment. When

868
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:17.840
we got out of the apartment,
the engine was in the other apartment and

869
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:24.439
I eventually had it coming. Well, I was written up and that was

870
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:29.520
it. That's how I got my
three. There was other times, Hey,

871
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.760
that was one. There's other times
I thought I should have been written

872
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:35.960
nothing. I think everybody's had those
caps. You get stuff sometimes with something

873
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:40.239
you don't think it happen. You
think you should have got it, you

874
01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:44.880
don't get it. That's what happens. But hey, now we can talk

875
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:48.359
about the roof rope. January fifteenth, nineteen seventy three, seventy three,

876
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:53.840
I'm detailed to want to wait at
that time, all rite, I don't

877
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:58.520
know it was detailed. Well,
I was. I guess it might have

878
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:05.039
been overtime because now the picture that's
there's Pudging Walsh, there's myself, and

879
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:12.399
there's Arnie Murkage. Arnie Murkage was
in Rescue two at the time and this

880
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:18.640
here was a reporter from Channel seven
and he's interviewing us. In the apparatus

881
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:24.760
is Gil Murtha with a mask on, an oxygen mask. Okay, what

882
01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:29.279
had happened is fire. They gave
me the roof, so I'm on the

883
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:35.800
roof. And at that time,
at the time, as you can see

884
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:45.159
in the picture that there was radios. When radios were distributed, first two

885
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:49.560
radios to each company and the engine
it was the MPO and the officer,

886
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:55.920
so the officer could call for water
in the truck. It was the officer

887
01:21:56.239 --> 01:22:00.399
and the roofman, so the roofman
could let the officer the roof is opened

888
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:05.880
up or whatever situation is there,
because he's overlooking a building. So okay,

889
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:14.199
so the fire is coming up.
And one of the at that time,

890
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:18.600
the chauffeur when it was a fire, another one of their jobs was

891
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:26.119
to carry a roof rope to the
roof to the roof. So Gil brought

892
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:30.960
the roof rope up. People are
trapped in that apartment, a mother and

893
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:36.079
child, and so we're going to
use the roof rofer. Gonna be a

894
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:41.039
roof robe rescue. I said,
yell, I'll go. He says no,

895
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.880
no, And I said, okay, your company, your roof,

896
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:49.279
your rope go. So hooked up, put him down, got into the

897
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:58.960
apartment. So what happened is,
I'm I lowered him. I have nothing,

898
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:01.640
I can't talk off anything. Well, I'm down there. All of

899
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:06.520
a sudden, I said, holy
God, where Gil? So I get

900
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:11.439
on a radio right away and I
said, hey, Gil left the rope.

901
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:15.279
He left her, you know he
took left or not. I can't.

902
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.199
I can't abandon the situation because he
could come back to the window and

903
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:25.560
need the rope. Well, I'm
looking around. I can't tie off because

904
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:30.439
if I could tie off, I'd
make I'd go single slide down to him.

905
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:38.800
But anyway, winds up. The
rescue was made. People got out

906
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:46.640
and well, the pudgy and the
officer they did. They had a good

907
01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:50.640
partner too, but being with it
was a roof rope and whatnot. G

908
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:55.720
Gil got he got a one,
he got a class one. He got

909
01:23:55.800 --> 01:24:00.239
a national award on it and fine, but I was I was in detail,

910
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.840
right, So when they wrote everything
up, they didn't put my name

911
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:09.920
down. Come on, so what
happened? What happens when this came down

912
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:15.000
on the department order, he said, holy geez, you know, so

913
01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:20.039
my captain he got on the phone
and he proceeded and it wound up that

914
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:29.680
they put me in and at that
time, at the tutorial or something had

915
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.079
something to do and he just said, oh, give him. I forget

916
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:38.439
what an a or just throw throw, you know, with somebody business.

917
01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:43.640
Oh that was it. But Gil, I'll tell you, guilt came.

918
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:46.000
He says. Hey, Charlie,
I didn't know. He says, yeah,

919
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:50.039
you know, I said, you
didn't get what you deserved. So

920
01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:58.600
he he was good and it was
and because I was able to use the

921
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:02.119
radio, saying that he left the
rope, he was trapped in there.

922
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:08.760
He was trapped in there trying to
make the rescue. And okay, subsequent

923
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:14.199
the rescue was made, but with
the others two but Gil, but let's

924
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.279
face it, the radio at that
time, you know, and then later

925
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:25.000
a couple years later, you know, do you know how the power tools

926
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:32.199
really came into the job. They
were out there other other other units are

927
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:38.560
outside. They had them. But
at that time we got a fire commissioner

928
01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:44.359
Safer. His name was Safer.
He came from the fire marshals down in

929
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:47.159
Washington, and when he came to
New York, he thought he was going

930
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:51.560
to be the police commissioner. That
was it. But he became the fire

931
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:59.399
commissioner. And because he became he
looked at what the fire department. He

932
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:03.279
says, look this equipment they need
to quit order. I don't know,

933
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:11.680
fifty pumpers order, trucks ordered and
some of the specifications. Okay, we

934
01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:16.680
need power every pumper that we order, we want two powers, two partner

935
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:23.079
saws on every pumper. So as
the pumpers came in they had there was

936
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:28.760
two partner saws. Well, the
saws were put and they were start handing

937
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.479
them out to the busy companies.
Well, eventually we got a power,

938
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:40.079
a power, but that's that was
later the way to have Hey, kep,

939
01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:44.880
why did you start studying? When
did I start studying? Oh?

940
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:49.159
I died on a light I took
for some reason, and I don't know

941
01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:53.840
how true it was. There was
there was a test before I was first

942
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:57.920
grade. But they were saying something
I don't bother you in our first grade.

943
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:05.399
You can't well, I didn't.
I took the test in sixty sixty,

944
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:13.840
sixty seven, sixty seven. I
took the test, right I got.

945
01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:19.920
I really My wife said, you
really didn't want it, Charlie,

946
01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:25.640
because I guess I didn't put it. I did whatever the school told me

947
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:30.039
to do, and nothing more than
maybe that was detrimental. But anyway,

948
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.520
I wound up with a number eight
something or nine hundred on the list,

949
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:43.119
and I by time the list and
they wound up the World's Fair was in

950
01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:49.680
progress. That was another story too, But so but I the last guy

951
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:55.680
that was made. In fact,
he had a story too. He was

952
01:27:55.720 --> 01:28:00.119
made on the last day. Siwinsky, Reginie Silwinsky his name was, And

953
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.960
they wound up a lieutenant of two
twenty one. But anyway, that list

954
01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:11.560
died and I didn't do anything.
And then, of course when seventy one

955
01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:15.159
they said there's going to be a
test in seventy one, I put more

956
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:19.520
reffort into it and I made that
list. So I'm on that list.

957
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:28.000
But the city became a financial property, they froze the list. They froze

958
01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:32.359
the list like in or seventy four
or seventy seventy four, I think it

959
01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:38.479
would. And guys, guys were
laid off. There was one guy in

960
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.760
the engine and one guy from the
truck that were laid off. And where'd

961
01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:44.920
they go? They wound up?
They were bus drivers for the city.

962
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:49.279
Guy said that they wound up bus
drivers. Now, the one guy that

963
01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:55.000
was in the truck when they opened
it up and allowed them to come back,

964
01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:59.600
only the guy that was in the
truck came back to the job.

965
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:03.880
Didn't come back to one hundred and
before he went to I don't know what

966
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:09.239
did he go to. He went
to a busy, one of the busy.

967
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:12.800
I think he went to one eleven
truck. That's where we went.

968
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.680
And the other guy, I'm not
going back to the fighter. He stayed.

969
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.319
He stayed, Yeah, he stayed. He stayed with the Butts Company.

970
01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:32.359
Just another Bronx tail stands. Thing
in life is wasted talent. What

971
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:36.439
about you got? You got burked
in December nineteenth seventy three, right,

972
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:42.840
you got? That was Warma Street
there we had There was the third long

973
01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:47.319
we came in. We were second
alarm truck and one O six were first

974
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:51.680
to well, we came in.
It was a wintry day, cold,

975
01:29:54.680 --> 01:30:00.359
and okay, I wound up I
was the shelf. Well anyway, nobody

976
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:05.119
went about their business. Uh Kenny
griff he happened to be the tillerman.

977
01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:11.079
We got off. We said,
okay, we there was no spot that

978
01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:15.600
we were no Aeriel went up.
Anyway, Well we get it. We

979
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:24.399
got into the adjointing building and we
did what we had to and there was

980
01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:30.840
really no no need for us,
so that the both of us left that

981
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:35.800
building one of the exposures. And
now we're going we're looking for our company.

982
01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:42.960
So we go over and now the
fire company. And as we get

983
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:50.760
into the into the building, an
engine company comes down the stairs and out

984
01:30:53.239 --> 01:31:00.359
apparently the fire came out the apartment
door or something. And this company,

985
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:03.800
I don't know exactly if I remember
the number, I forget about, but

986
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:13.359
anyway, rescue was there, and
the rescue officers to say, why don't

987
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:16.159
you take a line? So Kenny
and I took the line and we went

988
01:31:16.279 --> 01:31:23.399
back upstairs and we were knocking that
fire down, and as we moved along,

989
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:29.000
one or an ember came down and
went down my coat. So I

990
01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:33.359
wound up getting a burn on your
chest. So we were doing a dance.

991
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:40.439
So when I got outside a cap, I don't know, I think

992
01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:44.720
I got a burn on it.
Well anyway, okay, go to Rick,

993
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:48.039
and then the medical officer came in. Medical officers, Well, what

994
01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:51.479
do you want to do, he
says. I said, well, I'm

995
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:56.000
going I'm going on. I forget
whether I've gone on at forty eight or

996
01:31:56.119 --> 01:32:00.720
seventy two. I forget. And
at that time didn't want to go to

997
01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:05.439
no medical office. So he says, all right, so yeah, it's

998
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:12.319
you know, it's only a slight. It isn't that serious, he said,

999
01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:15.359
So let's treat it. Take the
rest of the tour off, and

1000
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:19.600
if you want to go sick tomorrow, go sick. So he left it

1001
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:25.119
up to me. You know,
that was just the rest of the tour.

1002
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:30.279
All put a little silver dine on
it. You're right, you deal

1003
01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:35.960
sporing. Oh they didn't have a
ship, I can did, and so

1004
01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:43.520
all right, so you get promoted
number a little bit. That's eleven,

1005
01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:50.199
seventy six, seventy six. Finally
December eleventh, nineteen seventy six, they

1006
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:57.239
get promoted. And at that time
the job had what they called the m

1007
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:04.840
MBO Probe program. Management by objectives, and some of us were sent right

1008
01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:10.079
to a company. Well that's when
I got promoted. I was fortunate enough

1009
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:14.159
I went right to a company.
I didn't just I went to to ninety

1010
01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:24.520
two from Woodside and with rescue for
not that busy a company. And I

1011
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:29.560
went in there and one of the
first tours, the phone is ringing over

1012
01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:36.880
the louds figure, hey lou telephone, I knowing again. Hello, I'm

1013
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:42.079
in the back room. And one
of the guys says, hey you telephone.

1014
01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:45.880
I'm not Oh gee, they changed
my name. I'm not doing while

1015
01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:57.000
ut and I'm short while there.
I don't know did the warrant turn or

1016
01:33:57.039 --> 01:34:00.720
something. Anyway, we got a
we got a few jobs. We got

1017
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:06.000
some work. And the guy said
you were there. We said it turned

1018
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:12.239
you were in a black cloud.
Well we're in there in the first come.

1019
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:17.119
Well, the first one was there
was a diner just about Roosevelt,

1020
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:21.079
the have your Roosevelt Woodside. Well
we're pulling in and the signal at that

1021
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:26.399
time, Yeah, we got a
working fire. We got a ten thirty.

1022
01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:31.479
We got a working I know no, sooner finish it, say in

1023
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:36.159
a ten thirty. The rest of
your officer make that a ten seventy five,

1024
01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:40.960
you know, So I said,
oh God, we got in there,

1025
01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:45.760
knocked it down for God's sake,
And when I came out, I

1026
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.159
just shogged my shogged my shoulders to
the chief. Did he know what I

1027
01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:55.960
meant? I don't know, but
things like that. Later on came back

1028
01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:59.760
and they wanted to know, hey, Looke, did you bring your Brooklyn

1029
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:09.199
mentality into because said, in Brooklyn, that wasn't a seven, that wasn't

1030
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:14.079
ten seventy five, the ten thirty. Yes, there's a working fire two

1031
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:19.079
and two. But rescue they had
a and And the funny part of that

1032
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:24.319
rescue he went to the same high
school and he played on the ball team

1033
01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:30.119
too, and so you know him
too. I know. I also while

1034
01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:35.760
I was there, Uh, the
guy that was ahead of the the orficer,

1035
01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:42.720
ahead of the burn center, Jimmy
cullin, Yeah, current, I'm

1036
01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:50.960
I'm working and uh in rescue is
villain John Dylan. Well, Jimmy happened

1037
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:57.000
to come into quarters because him and
one of the fellas and rescue for they

1038
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:02.920
worked on a side together. They
did some at work. Anyway, I

1039
01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:08.560
happened to be there, Dylan says, Yeah, this is the engineer Charlie

1040
01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:13.000
Solan, and Jimmy says, Charlie
Solan, you went to Brian. You

1041
01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:17.039
were there, Catcher, right,
So he went to Bryan. And it's

1042
01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:24.039
funny from that point on, it
seems like I met him at different times.

1043
01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:29.319
One time was my wife and I
I don't know where, we were

1044
01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:32.079
going with someplace in Manhattan, and
he was walking with a couple of guys

1045
01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:38.159
and right away he ran, Hi, we just bid hello, what not?

1046
01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:43.239
Hello? How are you? Another
time was my wife and we were

1047
01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:46.760
going to the hockey game. We're
going to Madison Square, God the police

1048
01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:53.319
and fire the hockey game. And
who do I mean? Jimmy? Jimmy

1049
01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:57.359
calling again, so I mean uh, and then all right. I wound

1050
01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:03.520
up later on after I retired,
I wound up getting burned with a pot

1051
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:11.479
of boiling water. Uh and uh
uh it was. It was pretty bad

1052
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:15.680
because when I got back home,
the boys said, oh, you got

1053
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:19.680
to go, so they contacted to
burn you. And I wound up in

1054
01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:24.359
the hospital and the burn unit was
the ones that took care of me.

1055
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:31.119
And Jimmy was there. Yeah.
In fact one night, okay, in

1056
01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:35.239
fact, one day, one day, my wife is there, My youngest

1057
01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:41.279
son there. He brought my wife
there and he had to leave for work.

1058
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.079
My wife is still there and she
didn't know how to how to get

1059
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:49.079
home from Presbyteria. So we wound
up. They called Jimmy up, Hey,

1060
01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:56.680
Jimmy, can you put Charlie's wife
up? Yeah? They put They

1061
01:37:57.159 --> 01:38:01.000
sent it to one of the apartments, the burns, and she's right there.

1062
01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:05.640
So that was nice. I mean
it was so I was there and

1063
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:12.079
I had skin grafted whatnot. That
was Hey, cap, I want to

1064
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:17.439
talk about Tommy Williams a little bit. Tommy Williams. Tommy Williams uh came

1065
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:23.279
into one O one oh four and
he came to one O four. He

1066
01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:27.920
came on a job with his brother
and his father worked. His father was

1067
01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:34.760
was an aid downtown to this one
of the staff chiefs assistant, uh department

1068
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:40.199
or I don't know, but anyway, his father wanted his son to go

1069
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:44.800
to one engine and another other son
to the truck. And there was supposed

1070
01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:47.960
to be two thirty engine and one
O. Waight, Well what had happened

1071
01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:56.439
one to wait didn't? So he
wound up in one O four. Tommy

1072
01:38:56.560 --> 01:39:00.199
was there probably for a year,
maybe in one O four, and he

1073
01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:05.840
want we worked together. He wound
up in our group and we became what

1074
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:11.560
would you say? What would you
say on a job? Buddies, Not

1075
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:15.800
so much outside the job and whatnot, but on the job. And he

1076
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:21.319
went to and ay and the same
thing, the same thing when if there

1077
01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:30.760
was runs or whatnot. Another time, another, another time they called Tommy.

1078
01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:34.960
Tommy was a he was a trained
chauffeur in One O Wait, but

1079
01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:41.600
he didn't go to school. So
one day one A Wait needed a truck

1080
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:48.399
chauffeur. So the chief at the
time he said, oh, you got

1081
01:39:48.439 --> 01:39:54.000
a chauffeur, Williams will drive and
Williams said, no, I'm not a

1082
01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:59.720
qualified shephey because then it was overtime. So it wound up. They called

1083
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:04.439
him, and I wound up getting
the tour. So thanks well, like

1084
01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:11.039
I said, we're friend. I
wound up in two ninety two, roughly

1085
01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:15.319
a year later, Tommy had gotten
promoted. He was in the four six

1086
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:18.920
FATA. He comes to rescue for
so here we are working to rescue for

1087
01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:25.680
mutual There was no sock at the
time, there wasn't. I wound up.

1088
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:31.239
I worked a lot of mutuals in
four and I used to kid.

1089
01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:40.159
One night with Up and Down South
Jamaica's burning, we went up and down

1090
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:45.079
Queens Boulevard, I know, half
a dozen times and sent back and I

1091
01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:50.319
getting back next morning, they said, hey, what did you do last

1092
01:40:50.399 --> 01:40:54.560
night? I said, I don't
know. I said, you guys must

1093
01:40:54.600 --> 01:41:03.319
be the the number one you turned, specially the boomer. I broke him

1094
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:08.119
on that. And I also another
time, I said, another time up

1095
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:13.000
and down I called. I said, you're the Queen's Boulevard bull uh pothole

1096
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:18.039
inspectors. I called him. It
was all fun and and and the guy

1097
01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:24.600
that took it this Syriah didn't like
it so much was John Dylan. And

1098
01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:28.800
I don't know. John had such
a reputation. I mean he came out

1099
01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:33.800
of three rescue three as a fire
and he went there full and John John

1100
01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:45.159
was a fireman's fireman and fine.
Another story with John New Year's Eve.

1101
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:51.319
New Year's Eve, after John had
all the figures for rescue, puts it

1102
01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:56.680
on the board and I looked,
I said, I told you did I

1103
01:41:56.800 --> 01:42:00.560
said two ninety two. I said, we out did you eyes we got

1104
01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:04.640
we are well? He blown he
blah blah as well. I bet he

1105
01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:11.159
goes you know, better do something. So I go upstairs. And at

1106
01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:16.800
that time, we didn't have all
this electric you had all the honesty program.

1107
01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:27.880
Well, I took the from January
to December the rape. By the

1108
01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:31.279
end of the year, I got
sixty more workers or whatever I need.

1109
01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:36.600
And I got down. I said, you see, John, we out

1110
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:46.319
work you guys. And really nobody
knew the story but me until I could

1111
01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:53.199
convey it after another few weeks.
That's awesome. But this is what happened.

1112
01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:58.319
I mean, what that was?
It? At one time just made

1113
01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:01.239
lieutenant. Like I said, they
called me, I'm upstairs, and that

1114
01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:05.439
was December. What's the end of
December? All the annual reports. I

1115
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:11.079
gotta go win that. There's a
half a dozen reports. Nobody told me

1116
01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:15.520
about these reports. I'm a new
lieutenant. Nobody passed the word. I

1117
01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:19.479
get a call battalion, Hey,
you got those reports. I'm coming over

1118
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:24.680
to pick up because I got to
get them to the division today. What

1119
01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:29.239
I go through, sack mouth?
What do I gotta do? So I

1120
01:43:29.359 --> 01:43:34.039
go to the typewriter. The battalion
chief shows up and I'm up there and

1121
01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:36.680
he says, you finish it.
I said, no, Chief, I

1122
01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:41.800
said, I didn't. I didn't
even get out of peking poor Institute.

1123
01:43:42.119 --> 01:43:51.359
And I'm still punching letters here.
Oh man. So he says, when

1124
01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:58.000
you finish, you bring them the
division. It's in the bag there.

1125
01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:05.000
Then I wound up in eighty one, then getting promoted to captain, and

1126
01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:16.479
that was it. That was that
was terrific, and and I covered I

1127
01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:23.520
I'm here, I am a covering
captain and whatnot, vacation here. I'm

1128
01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:30.800
home one day and I get a
call it's the division. Yeah, I

1129
01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:33.560
said, I'm not there, No, No, Will you work and rescue?

1130
01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:36.600
I said? Will I work and
rescue? I said yeah? Why?

1131
01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:41.960
I said, well we got there's
ot and nobody wants to work and

1132
01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:48.760
rescue. Will you work and rescue
overtime? Why does sure? I wound

1133
01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:56.119
up a few tours with overtime and
rescue, and these weren't tools. Usually

1134
01:44:56.239 --> 01:45:00.960
over time was always following one of
your day tours or following one of your

1135
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:05.359
knight tours. But I went to
rescue. Was rescue too that I wound

1136
01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:14.479
up working in. And I wound
up Tom Coleman and one I'm in one

1137
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:20.520
thirty eight one day covering for roband
or another and a couple of firemen in

1138
01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:25.840
there. This guy I played ball
with, in fact, I said McMahon.

1139
01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:30.239
He says, hey, Charlie,
why don't you find out Rabanda's going

1140
01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:31.600
to be he got injured here,
He's going to be out a while.

1141
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:35.640
Maybe you could cover it. So
I called fourteenth division. The fourteenth Division

1142
01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:40.119
he ate right away knew me.
Said yeah, Charlie, what So I

1143
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:43.079
told him the story. He says, Charlie says, you have to get

1144
01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:47.560
released from the tenth division. You're
in the tenth division. So oh god,

1145
01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:54.239
he says, so all right.
So the next day I'm still in

1146
01:45:54.359 --> 01:46:01.000
one thirty eight. I said,
well, I'll find out so ill Before

1147
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:05.359
I could get to the tenth division, the tenth division called me, and

1148
01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:11.279
the tenth division says, effective unite
to his cap you're in one forty seven.

1149
01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:15.760
I said, oh nice, So
I went to I was in one

1150
01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:24.960
forty seven for about five months.
That's a great place it was now at

1151
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:30.800
the time. From one forty seven. Jerry O'Donnell was a lieutenant there and

1152
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:36.920
he was detailed to Charlie Hines,
the commissioner, because he knew Heines and

1153
01:46:38.119 --> 01:46:43.079
Hines, who became the fire commissioner, and he didn't know the operations of

1154
01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:46.159
the fire department, so he brought
Jerry down there. When Jerry went down

1155
01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:51.079
to work with Heines, they put
in a guy that they toold Mike Burke.

1156
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:56.760
Mike Burke went into that lieutenant spot. Well, okay, fine,

1157
01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:04.520
no problem. What happens The word
goes out, Tommy, Tommy Cole,

1158
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:10.079
Tommy, you call him? Is
he gonna retire? You know? So,

1159
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:14.319
Jerry, would you be you know, interested in? I said,

1160
01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:18.119
in a heartboat beat, I said
seven. So he says, all right.

1161
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:26.079
What happens though, But then that
week or ten days Mike Burker promoted

1162
01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:32.920
the captain that all he did was
changed groups and put a different helmet.

1163
01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:38.840
He wound up the captain of one
forty seven. I wound up. I

1164
01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:43.720
went out wherever I went, but
covered again. But anyway, what happens

1165
01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:50.000
is a five minute two forty eight. Dave Radenberg he was a chow for

1166
01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:56.199
their and very good friends with the
Solon family in Valley Stream. He knew

1167
01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:00.159
him and his wife from the kids
when the kids. But anyway, he

1168
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:04.119
says, hey, Charlie Mahula,
he's captain. He's going he's going to

1169
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:09.640
retire. In a month or so. I said, oh yeah, well,

1170
01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:15.399
hey Jerry, this is Charlie.
So Jerry's I said, I hear

1171
01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:19.279
from He says, why you would
want to forty eight? Of course I

1172
01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:26.239
would want to forty eight? Okay, Well, made out of transfer form,

1173
01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:30.720
went down right to the tenth division. And who's down there at the

1174
01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:38.199
time. It's Clancy and Clancy.
Now Clancy I knew as a fireman.

1175
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:41.760
He was in two twenty nine when
I was in one oh four. So

1176
01:48:42.479 --> 01:48:45.680
oh child, blah blah blah,
you know. And of course when I

1177
01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:50.319
first made Cathy was times when I
was detailed to two thirty nine where the

1178
01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:57.800
tenth division was quoted. But anyway, so he looks at the trend,

1179
01:48:57.960 --> 01:49:00.119
he says, you really want to
far? I said, yeah, I

1180
01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:08.239
want It's okay, he says,
we'll approve it. Well, I wound

1181
01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:14.800
up with two forty eight, thanks
to thanks to God and cap. What

1182
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:19.680
was that like over there at that
time? Ah? Right, Hey,

1183
01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:26.520
we had fires. We maybe I
didn't catch the real bad ones, but

1184
01:49:26.760 --> 01:49:30.039
I mean we had fires. I
mean it was it was a company,

1185
01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:33.039
let's face it. I had a
load of prob's there, and that was

1186
01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:36.960
a story I had with stell.
But anyway, we have had a load

1187
01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:44.399
of ProBiS that that that company.
They were fire hungry, so to speak.

1188
01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:47.680
You know, if there was an
ald, hey don't we go?

1189
01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:53.039
What are we were on a second? Or what they were down at the

1190
01:49:53.119 --> 01:49:59.439
house watch desk where there were they
were going? They wanted you know what?

1191
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.359
You got the offices the same thing. No, every officer we have

1192
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:09.680
an officer took care of fire fire
prevention, he says, cap He says,

1193
01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:13.000
one thing, I'll tell you,
I don't work neutrals. I said,

1194
01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:15.239
yeah, that's fine, Jimmy,
I don't care. He says,

1195
01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:18.720
if it's all right with you,
would like to take care of fire prevention,

1196
01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:29.279
I should eat ching. He had
everything if you had to go out

1197
01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:34.319
of buildings. He had the buildings
on a love that guy clip of the

1198
01:50:34.399 --> 01:50:39.920
building that you should be. You
had to do the same thing. But

1199
01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:51.520
I did it did what? Oh
would they we get this fire? And

1200
01:50:51.640 --> 01:51:00.920
it's it's oh, would you say
a beauty shop supply area up And it

1201
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:06.680
was right right up Snyder Revenue.
Almost almost weeks. They don't come off

1202
01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:13.680
even in water. When we get
there, I mean plenty of smoke get

1203
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:19.520
in there. It's downstairs. Where's
the door? We couldn't find. It

1204
01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:27.840
was like a secret door that had
closed around a shelf. So go around

1205
01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:32.439
the back, how's the window?
And all the stock the stock is up

1206
01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:41.279
over the shelves and whatnot. I
took the company across the stock with the

1207
01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:45.880
hose line, and well, there's
a fellow that remembers the fire, Jimmy

1208
01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:51.680
Rodder. He was became an officer
anyway, and we wound up getting to

1209
01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:57.279
the fire with the holes by that
time. Then another company found a door,

1210
01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.199
but we had. What we had
to do was climb over the stock

1211
01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:05.439
that was on the shelves, and
the floor was still six feet wid be

1212
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:13.800
low us, But I don't know. I think I think of some of

1213
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:18.680
the fire. Going back to like
two, I got into a pretty good

1214
01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:24.840
standing with some of the chiefs,
and I guess I did some of the

1215
01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:30.479
good things when there should have been
I mean fire. While I was in

1216
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:33.319
two ninety two, there was a
fire two eighty eight. In fact,

1217
01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:38.520
was went in the front door,
but I saw the side door and I

1218
01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:43.359
owned so I took ninety two and
we went in the on the side door

1219
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:48.119
down the stairs that was where the
fire was. So Jane, good job.

1220
01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:56.439
The old Brookly mentality rough right.
I was working a mutual and rescue

1221
01:52:57.319 --> 01:53:03.199
and we have a commercial place and
one thirty six and two eighty seven they're

1222
01:53:03.279 --> 01:53:11.199
in rescue two ninety two stand heavy
smoke condition, no fire. They can't

1223
01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:15.439
find a fire. The same thing. They said, Hey, let's go

1224
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.079
down the side of the building.
And go down the side of the building.

1225
01:53:17.439 --> 01:53:24.319
And there's two doors on there,
and Arnie Marketshare will show you.

1226
01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:27.560
Now he's in four. He goes
to I said, no, no,

1227
01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:33.760
no, Arnie, force this door
because what I saw in the structure like

1228
01:53:34.119 --> 01:53:40.159
there could be a front and a
rear of this building. So when he

1229
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:48.520
forced this door the staircase and down
the stairs, the battalion is is rescue.

1230
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:53.720
I have the company engine probably two
ninety bring the head line, and

1231
01:53:54.039 --> 01:54:00.000
we got the fire down here in
the basement. And yep, my deputy,

1232
01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:05.079
the deputy whenever a deputy I have. When I showed you that fire

1233
01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:10.000
in Brooklyn with a fifth alarm,
who was I was detailed to the engine

1234
01:54:10.199 --> 01:54:14.760
who was the captain at that time? Who was Captain Clennan. He was

1235
01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:17.359
the captain there. And by the
time I got to two ninety two and

1236
01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:24.159
whatnot. The chief later he was
the deputy chief. That's always in the

1237
01:54:24.279 --> 01:54:29.560
same group. So whenever we had
a far and that was another meant wanted

1238
01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:32.760
the fireman said, hey, when
I went to a fire with somebody,

1239
01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:38.199
the officer would would always say hey, loop, hey, cap. He

1240
01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:41.199
says, when we go to a
fire, hey, Charlie, come here,

1241
01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:48.399
that's what And that one job we
had a second multiple in in Alamhurst

1242
01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:54.359
and we get in there and we
we might have been last, or any

1243
01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:58.600
we were were first to one a
second, so they would it might have

1244
01:54:58.640 --> 01:55:02.399
been third. But anyway, we
get there and it's Chief Clennon and he

1245
01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:06.640
says, and the fires up.
He says, hey, Charlie, you

1246
01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:10.920
were in the truck. Tell you
guys, go get a couple of hooks

1247
01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:13.640
and go up in overhaul. I
don't have to walk, I don't have

1248
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:19.159
to call another truck. The guys, what the hell are you doing there?

1249
01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:28.319
Right a truck company. Let's talk
about it, says I'm trying to

1250
01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:31.039
make this out. You fell through
the floor, you fell three floors or

1251
01:55:31.359 --> 01:55:38.840
when I was forty eight now then
yeah, and two eight. It was

1252
01:55:39.279 --> 01:55:46.319
a vacant building. We were second
due we came in and we the fire

1253
01:55:46.479 --> 01:55:50.000
was on the second and third floor
by this time, and we took a

1254
01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:54.760
line. We were going to the
third floor. Got up to the third

1255
01:55:54.840 --> 01:56:00.680
floor. The door was opening to
the apartment and it's it's it's coming out

1256
01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:03.520
real good. We didn't I didn't
have water in the line yet, so

1257
01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:06.840
I called for water and I said
to the nozzle Jimmy Day, I said,

1258
01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:10.960
as soon as we get water,
we're gonna give it a shot and

1259
01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:15.239
we're gonna move in. Okay.
Well, just about the time of water

1260
01:56:15.600 --> 01:56:25.720
hit the the the stairs gave way
from under us, and down we went.

1261
01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:33.119
We were in a standing position.
It's funny going down. I knew

1262
01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:41.199
we we fell. They grabbed Jimmy
Day, but I was on extral.

1263
01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:45.960
I went all the way. So
I wound up in the hospital. In

1264
01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:48.479
fact that the battalion chief thought I
broke my leg at that, but no,

1265
01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:51.439
I didn't break my back. It
was a neck and back injury.

1266
01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:59.039
But I hit the floor and at
that time I had Scott Scott on so

1267
01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:04.119
that against the bounds, but always
that like four and three floors. So

1268
01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:12.199
I'm down, Hey, thank him
alive, And I didn't lose consciousness.

1269
01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:17.600
Rescue got me to the hospital.
I was there five or six days.

1270
01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:26.520
That was That was terrible because I
even had the Union captain. I forget

1271
01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:30.399
his name, but he came in
Charlie. As soon as we get a

1272
01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:34.000
room, we'll get you in.
They put me in. They they wound

1273
01:57:34.079 --> 01:57:40.079
up put me into a ward and
it was six six of us in there.

1274
01:57:41.319 --> 01:57:45.680
And let's face it, downstate,
you know, they don't have the

1275
01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:51.520
greatest reputation, and the people there
I thought could care the less fear.

1276
01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:57.199
In fact, I got more care
from my own coming like two forty eight

1277
01:57:57.279 --> 01:58:03.159
brought me meals what I was there, well, and okay, I was

1278
01:58:03.239 --> 01:58:06.439
out a while. I went back
to work. When I get back to

1279
01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:15.000
work, I'm standing in quarters and
the department vehicle pulls up and yes,

1280
01:58:15.960 --> 01:58:23.239
the gas pump that we had different
department veils vehicles came to our quarters to

1281
01:58:23.399 --> 01:58:30.479
fill up. Well, who steps
out of the car with Cherry o'donald and

1282
01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:33.840
Jerry o'donald. You're back. When
did you come back? I said,

1283
01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:36.680
this is my Sara. I was
here yesterday and now I'm here today.

1284
01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:43.199
Oh, if we knew that you
would have gotten the girl. The girl

1285
01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:46.800
was scheduled for two forty eight,
but because the captain was on medical leave,

1286
01:58:47.560 --> 01:58:50.279
they didn't want to put the girl
there. Oh my god, is

1287
01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:56.640
that right? They sent the girl
to two fifty engine and over there they

1288
01:58:56.800 --> 01:59:00.800
love us, see they they,
they said, even the captain. I

1289
01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:05.439
wound up knowing over there, Santiago
Santos, he was a captain, he

1290
01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:10.239
was a lieutenant in two twenty one. He wound up he was the captain

1291
01:59:10.279 --> 01:59:15.920
over there. And yeah, in
fact, Sandy, when they were put

1292
01:59:16.119 --> 01:59:18.560
me out of the job, Sandy
called up. He says, hey,

1293
01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:24.720
you want your retirement, you want
us to get your paid because the commissioner

1294
01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:34.399
was pushing me out of the job. Yeah. Well anyway, well getting

1295
01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:40.560
okay, I'll go back track a
little after I got back from the fall

1296
01:59:41.479 --> 01:59:45.560
a few months later, now,
a few about four months later, I

1297
01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:54.159
go out and it's February first that
night, and we go down and uh,

1298
01:59:55.439 --> 02:00:00.119
we're getting almost the two one thirteen
two point in their quarter. There's

1299
02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:05.640
a Queen Anne, and the fire
was coming out a couple of floors.

1300
02:00:06.600 --> 02:00:13.199
Oh two forty nine went in.
They were going into the sun. Because

1301
02:00:13.239 --> 02:00:17.920
the apparently the chief got there he
was worried about an exposure and the fire

1302
02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:23.760
was coming out of that front lapping
on the exposure was only a few feet

1303
02:00:23.800 --> 02:00:28.600
away, so they went that way. But two forty eight went in the

1304
02:00:28.680 --> 02:00:33.600
front door and we fought fire.
We fought fire for three floors, and

1305
02:00:34.720 --> 02:00:40.199
I mean it was we just were
the Internet and you know what a Queen

1306
02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:44.720
Anne was. Yeah, of course
there was different stairwells and different spots and

1307
02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:48.039
what. But we got up there
and who was the truck the truck that

1308
02:00:48.840 --> 02:00:56.319
was wound up in There was one
thirty two truck and one thirty two truck

1309
02:00:57.359 --> 02:01:01.359
that lituleten. Hey, Cap,
right, I'll follow you anywhere because we

1310
02:01:01.479 --> 02:01:05.600
will. Ordered added the building.
And I told the battalion, I said,

1311
02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:09.399
we're not leaving. We're not finished
yet. When we're finished, we'll

1312
02:01:09.479 --> 02:01:15.319
let you know. And this was
that building and that that was my last

1313
02:01:15.399 --> 02:01:20.359
fire. I was aching, hurting
myself, and another fire we got downstairs.

1314
02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:27.399
By that time the medical officer was
there, Soren, Chief Soren,

1315
02:01:28.520 --> 02:01:31.359
and he says, oh, and
he knew he was the orthopedic doctor I

1316
02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:36.520
had seen prior. So he's,
oh, okay, Cap, you're hurting

1317
02:01:36.560 --> 02:01:41.000
now. He says, well,
I know what's hurt your fire fighting days

1318
02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:47.720
are over. That's it. I'll
see you at the medical office today.

1319
02:01:48.520 --> 02:01:54.720
Okay, that's today, right,
all right? So first your last fire

1320
02:01:55.640 --> 02:02:01.039
today? Wow, how cool is
that you're talking about it? Look right?

1321
02:02:02.119 --> 02:02:06.560
He went out of a blaze of
glory on there cap Oh and hat

1322
02:02:06.640 --> 02:02:13.159
to come? I had while I'm
in two forty eight. I don't know

1323
02:02:13.159 --> 02:02:18.000
if you have a story with Chief
Style on Chief Style. He just passed

1324
02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:25.760
away two weeks ago. He passed
on, don't you then? You realize

1325
02:02:25.800 --> 02:02:30.640
the guy was ninety five almost ninety
six years old. I'll take that roof.

1326
02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:36.319
He was what he got out here. You organized annual annual lunches for

1327
02:02:36.520 --> 02:02:42.279
whoever wanted to come. There was
an annual lunch and it was always the

1328
02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:48.239
Thursday before Thanksgiving. And he says, remember that Thanksgivings on a Thursday.

1329
02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:54.640
It's the week before and we used
to have and huge turnouts. It was

1330
02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:59.479
always a great day. Well anyway, my first year there, right,

1331
02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:09.920
so I wound up the six.
I have four probs and two other young

1332
02:03:10.039 --> 02:03:15.319
guys that barely have a year on
a job, and they were put into

1333
02:03:15.439 --> 02:03:23.079
vacation groups that were prime for the
summer. Well, I took it upon

1334
02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:26.800
myself to ask the shelf, is, hey, you want a partial summer?

1335
02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:30.239
They didn't have it. You split
with this proby. But well,

1336
02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:35.399
when I sent the paperwork in Stells
on the phone, what the heck are

1337
02:03:35.479 --> 02:03:41.079
you doing? You get me locked
up? You realize the over time you'll

1338
02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:49.479
be increasing yep. So but he
worked, he worked things out, some

1339
02:03:49.640 --> 02:03:59.800
of the guys out, and that
was the only time I had any any

1340
02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:03.720
good body from the battalion that come
down. And I had more than that.

1341
02:04:06.880 --> 02:04:10.760
Really, if there wasn't a set
droll he was supposed to. I

1342
02:04:10.920 --> 02:04:14.000
let the members, what do you
want to drive on? Some of the

1343
02:04:14.079 --> 02:04:19.039
members they want And at that time
we had recess it recess it Annie the

1344
02:04:19.119 --> 02:04:25.720
battalion would they rotated so we might
have had and the other one we had

1345
02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:33.000
the uh De fibulator that the battalions
were carrying, and you guys would want

1346
02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:35.680
to use that? When do we
use it? What not? How?

1347
02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:47.439
And we let them drive so each
other was to me it was a captain's

1348
02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:53.159
dream home. Yeah, I got
you. You had your own bedroom upstairs,

1349
02:04:54.159 --> 02:05:00.920
gould lock the door and put yourself
and everything. So we're gonna everything.

1350
02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:04.720
We're gonna move on to uh the
old school tip of the day,

1351
02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:10.159
unless you have anything else that you
wanted to talk about. Well, oh,

1352
02:05:10.479 --> 02:05:18.079
the guys there they are my three
sons got you got to medal at

1353
02:05:18.119 --> 02:05:26.760
that, William and Charlie, and
they were great guys, and I gotta

1354
02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:30.760
thank you. Nobody came back to
me and said, you know your sons

1355
02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:35.600
and so and so and what not. It was all plus I had had

1356
02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:46.920
even Bill, I spoke to spoke
to Jack clee House. Now Jack clee

1357
02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:49.920
House. Now I knew Jack when
he was in one O Way and he

1358
02:05:50.079 --> 02:05:54.680
was we've heard the name a lot
like the last two weeks. Well,

1359
02:05:55.119 --> 02:06:00.279
anyway, one of our breakfasts,
why not I because you know Charlie.

1360
02:06:01.399 --> 02:06:06.640
I worked with Dennis, and I
worked with Charlie well Dennis when Jack was

1361
02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:11.359
the captain. He was in one
twenty six. Dennis was the chauffeur.

1362
02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:16.560
So he knew Dennis pretty well.
Jack became chief right where is he in

1363
02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:23.359
the four six battalion? Where's Charlie? He's the captain or two of Swede

1364
02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:29.560
with so he says. The only
one I didn't work with he says,

1365
02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:32.560
I worked with you is your son. Bill. I didn't work with him,

1366
02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:35.960
you know. So they all went
up in some good spots. I

1367
02:06:35.960 --> 02:06:42.760
don't know how that happened, roughly, oh yeah, and because of all

1368
02:06:43.680 --> 02:06:48.800
I guess a reputation was Bill.
And if you get remembered from here there

1369
02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:54.239
and whatnot, I guess you were
doing something right. That's true. I

1370
02:06:54.319 --> 02:07:00.800
didn't get all right there cap now
things. If I could pass anything on,

1371
02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:06.600
I could say as a fireman,
there's don't be times fireman, you

1372
02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:13.439
get assigned to a company you don't
know anything about. So don't come in

1373
02:07:14.039 --> 02:07:17.399
with an attitude. Come in and
learn what's going on in that firehouse.

1374
02:07:17.920 --> 02:07:23.159
Get used of their routine. You
might have heard about a routine in a

1375
02:07:23.239 --> 02:07:29.000
different firehouse. This firehouse where you're
in has their own little routine. And

1376
02:07:29.239 --> 02:07:34.359
listen to what the probe said and
feel your way around, learn how they

1377
02:07:34.479 --> 02:07:42.079
do things, and pay attention.
Don't be a mouth and come try to

1378
02:07:42.159 --> 02:07:57.640
come off that r and know it
all. There's times we didn't get to

1379
02:07:57.680 --> 02:08:00.159
give the old too al tip of
the day, all rolled right to it.

1380
02:08:01.760 --> 02:08:07.720
I wound up being surplus captain.
I wound up in Manhattan, and

1381
02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:13.039
I would have to roll call the
same thing. Any new you're in a

1382
02:08:13.159 --> 02:08:16.079
new firehouse, you don't know what
they're going on. I say, hey,

1383
02:08:16.159 --> 02:08:18.359
listen, guys, I'm from Brooklyn, I said, I'm not not

1384
02:08:18.560 --> 02:08:22.760
Manhattan. What do you guys do? But one of the first things they

1385
02:08:22.840 --> 02:08:28.279
had me was a bag this standpipe
big. The officer carried the tools the

1386
02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:33.640
standpipe. So of these companies I
mean came in with their mass on a

1387
02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:41.479
handcart because they would be going into
a building that might require it. But

1388
02:08:41.600 --> 02:08:45.039
the mask who would be brought to
the floor that they need and that's where

1389
02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:50.399
they were doing them understood, Where
are the I T guys? Let's see

1390
02:08:50.399 --> 02:08:54.960
the I T guys? Cap what
the I T guys? The computer guys?

1391
02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:58.319
Where are they? Where are they? Who knows? It was Bill?

1392
02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:05.800
His bills. Let's see a picture. Let's see it. He's giving

1393
02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:07.319
me some hand signs. He's like
no, no, no, no,

1394
02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:16.159
no no. I'll give them salutes. Guys. Thanks a bunch of you

1395
02:09:16.600 --> 02:09:22.520
taking time to something. And I
know when I get home, I'm going

1396
02:09:22.600 --> 02:09:28.439
to get a third degree because my
my wife's aides love the stories because I'm

1397
02:09:28.479 --> 02:09:37.960
always one of the family. And
it's got so that when somebody comes in,

1398
02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:41.720
I said, if you want to
know anything about a soul, and

1399
02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:48.640
family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a pleasure. It was

1400
02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:50.880
an absolute pressure. I never thought
it would work this way, but the

1401
02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:56.439
boy, it did me well it
did. You enjoyed it. We enjoyed

1402
02:09:56.479 --> 02:09:58.880
your stories. Guys. I want
to thank you, Louis. Thank you

1403
02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:03.079
because it's been two years in the
making since that thing. I'm glad we

1404
02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:07.239
got him. Yeah. I hope
it goes another fifty years. Baby.

1405
02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:18.279
Yeah. Hey, my my wife
lasts that long, fine hey half that

1406
02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:20.960
she keeps me going every day.
I know. I gotta get up to

1407
02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:24.119
take care of her, so that
gets me out of bed every morning.

1408
02:10:24.239 --> 02:10:31.760
Good for you, and these these
guys are in the house. I should

1409
02:10:31.800 --> 02:10:37.000
have a revolving door on the front. I was in the kitchen and the

1410
02:10:37.279 --> 02:10:43.119
refrigerator. I know again. I
have a great night, guys. Thank

1411
02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:48.079
you. Hold On, we gotta
do the uh we gotta do the old

1412
02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:52.039
school health and safety tip. But
yes, we do all. Thanks again.

1413
02:10:52.720 --> 02:10:56.079
Just hang out one second, day
care, hang hang one second,

1414
02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:58.600
cap, hang on second, you
got me, you got hold on.

1415
02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:03.960
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1416
02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:07.720
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1417
02:11:07.800 --> 02:11:13.720
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1418
02:11:13.800 --> 02:11:16.960
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1419
02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:24.960
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1420
02:11:24.039 --> 02:11:30.520
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is use your SCBA during overhauling and

1421
02:11:30.720 --> 02:11:35.880
coffires. The actions you take today
to best protect your health will pay dividends

1422
02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:39.840
long into the future. Your future
self will thank you, Thank God.

1423
02:11:39.960 --> 02:11:43.680
Good, there we go. That's
it. Remember to come out and see

1424
02:11:43.760 --> 02:11:48.680
me and Louis Booth one for two
starting tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday at the

1425
02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:56.520
Nassau Coliseum at the Buffaloalooser. Come
on out, we'll be there. Boom.

1426
02:11:56.760 --> 02:12:01.199
All right, that's all I got, Charlie, great life, great

1427
02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:07.760
stories. You're a gentleman. Something
you did, okay, guys, maybe

1428
02:12:07.880 --> 02:12:15.640
smile and left so appreciate it.
You know there's more laughs behind this.

1429
02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:28.760
We'll have you on again with individuals
with instances, but nothing vicious, laughable

1430
02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:35.279
things. Good, uh huh.
All right, guys, So we will

1431
02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:37.920
see you. If we don't see
you at the show tomorrow, we'll see

1432
02:12:37.960 --> 02:12:43.680
you Monday night. We got coming
on, big show. Big show,

1433
02:12:43.800 --> 02:12:46.479
p used to the used to CAF
shame me all the time. He's got

1434
02:12:46.520 --> 02:12:52.520
big case. So all right,
I'll see you soon. Stay low and

1435
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:56.520
go all right, everybody, we'll
see it big Thanks again, cap All

1436
02:12:56.680 --> 02:12:58.720
right, all that, guys,
remember hook up and look up baby.

1437
02:13:00.119 --> 02:13:03.760
Oh he's not like that one now, strange it up for a little while.

1438
02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:11.560
Al right, guys, good night
everyone. Mm hm hm