WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:36.240 They warned me not to cross the streams, but I did it anyway. 2 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:45.159 I would like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads a very special guest, another crypted 3 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.679 Matt so to speak, moth Boy, Matt, how are you doing, 4 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:54.439 man? Yeah, I'm genuine man, I'm glad. I'm glad that you 5 00:00:54.520 --> 00:01:00.159 cross streams. Um, this is this is a long time coming. I'm 6 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.280 very very excited to be on Yeah you are actually, if I'm not mistaken. 7 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:11.079 On my Friends podcast Laurence Smith. Oh yeah, a long time ago. 8 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.959 Yeah. She uh saying your praises back then and uh, I mean 9 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:23.000 like moth Boys podcast. Wow, Like you must be stoked, man, 10 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:29.079 Yeah, you must be absolutely stoked. You guys are on fire. Yeah. 11 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:34.079 Yeah, it's it's it's wild because it's it's it's. Um. It's 12 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:44.400 really hard for niche subjects um like cryptozoology and the paranormal to catch, but 13 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:53.359 when you're like a comedy podcast, it's even harder. Yeah. For some 14 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:59.519 reason, we did. And God have mercy on her soul. You know, 15 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:04.920 we just had our four year episode not long ago. Um. We 16 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:08.000 interviewed Eduardo Sanchez for that and that was that was a lot of fun talking 17 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:15.879 with him. Um talked about Blair Witch and like he's totally obsessed with big 18 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:21.560 Foot and his Star Wars nerd Um is off the charts. It's wild. 19 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.639 He's a great guy. Um. But yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm, 20 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:30.560 I'm so excited to be on here. Um. I've heard great things 21 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:36.199 and I started listening and I totally got hooked. So I am, I 22 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.439 am honored to be on. Well, I I greatly appreciate it. Um, 23 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:45.680 you and your podcast have been on my radar forever, you know, 24 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.000 Like I was saying earlier, I've been around for a really long time. 25 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.240 I'm I'm pretty I'm getting up there. I don't like to talk about my 26 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:59.599 age, but a fine one. That's right, man, that's right. 27 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.319 But I mean we're good, man, because you know, I grew up 28 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.319 in the age of the original Star Wars trilogy, so like you know, 29 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.080 I was raised by Star Wars. I know you did Star Wars, so 30 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:14.439 oh my god, I love it. You know, it destroys all age 31 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:19.240 barriers, so it does. I'm fine with it. Man. Uh, 32 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.960 where do I even start with you? Man? Like I I got to 33 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.719 ask the classic question, you know, sure, how did this all start 34 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:31.439 for you? Why cryptids. What's going on with that? Right? Um? 35 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:40.159 So my mother was a huge influence. She was always talking about Bigfoot. 36 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:47.120 So that was always in my kind of in my the environment that I 37 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.560 grew up in since I was a little little kid. And I would actually 38 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:59.439 go over to my grandma's house because we didn't have a printer, and I 39 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:05.560 would go over my grandma's and print up like like cases that I found online 40 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:12.360 and hand them out to other kids to try and make friends. So, 41 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:19.399 um and let me let let me tell you it. It didn't work. 42 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:25.639 It didn't work for you. Not great, not great. Um, one 43 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.560 could say it ruined my life. Um no, no, no it was 44 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:30.920 it was great. I I so I've been obsessed with this stuff, um 45 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:35.959 since I was very young. And uh, you know that's how it always 46 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.560 got It got started, and you know, it just kind of, uh, 47 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:46.279 it all fell into fell into place, and this podcast was was destined 48 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:51.600 to happen. Um. But we we we actually the podcast started. We 49 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:58.680 got back from um a moth like one of the Mothman festivals. It was 50 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:04.600 four years ago, um, which feels like forever in podcasting years. Yeah, 51 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:10.519 yeah, that's like dog years man, right right. Um So it. 52 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.879 We were like, we didn't see a lot of podcasts if like any 53 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.759 as vendors, and we were like, hey, why you know, why 54 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:23.560 don't we start something, do something like I think Jay came up with the 55 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.879 name moth Boys because you know, it's kind of like we're it's like the 56 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.199 it's like we're it's like boys to men, right, Like moth boys will 57 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.360 eventually get to moth men will eventually be there. But Puberd's the son of 58 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.000 a bit. We just got to get there. Yeah, we'll get there 59 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.439 though. Yeah, I mean I think I see a little bit of stubble 60 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.279 on your podcast face already. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta 61 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:51.199 whispy mustache going. Yeah, it's nice, it's pretty good. Um. 62 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:56.279 But yeah, that's how I got into it. So, growing up being 63 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:00.319 interested in the subject, did you have like some local cre DIDs or urban 64 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:05.360 legends in your area that we're just like fascinating to you or anything. There's 65 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:11.879 always been like a plethora of, um, big foot sightings in western New 66 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.560 York. Um. I grew up in a small town called Asheville, New 67 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:24.560 York. It's a town of about thirteen hundred people. Yeah, yeah, 68 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.720 and it was it was great growing growing up out in the country. It 69 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:36.199 really helped form who I became UM and so I was always obsessed with the 70 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:44.839 big foot stuff. But high school came and I read a book called The 71 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:54.600 Complete Guide the Mysterious Beings by John Keel. And in that book there was 72 00:06:54.680 --> 00:07:03.000 an anonymous letter to John Keel from a boy in Sherman, a teenager, 73 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:15.720 and it was about a this boy and his family were seeing um white giant 74 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.480 ground slots just in the next town over from mine. And it was so 75 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:27.759 seeing that he called it. Now John Keel called it the Beast of Sherman. 76 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:35.040 But it was just it was just so wild to read something that was 77 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:40.639 like, oh, that's like that's my area, that's the next town over 78 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.079 from me, and it just it totally, it just got me deeper into 79 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:51.439 the subject. And so you know, there's there's places like that in Guernsey 80 00:07:51.560 --> 00:08:01.680 Hollow Um, which is this really haunted cemetery UM. But it really it 81 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:11.800 really opened it fully opened the world to like, um, the paranormal and 82 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:20.800 cryptozoology, uh and and and and specifically for Western New York like it. 83 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.639 It made me dive deeper into everything strange going on around here. So fast 84 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.080 forward to reason, uh, or at least reason for me. You guys 85 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:35.559 actually released a book about the white Monsters of Sherman, New York. Do 86 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:41.120 you want to talk about that? Yeah? Yeah, So we um all 87 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:46.159 got together and we were like, hey, you know, like, let's 88 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:56.159 let's try and find this this like anonymous person um that had written it's really 89 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:03.799 difficult. Whenever I got the book myself, okay, yeah, I'm a 90 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:09.679 supporter, I'm a fan. And whenever I read that, like you took 91 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.399 some letter published in a book from a long time ago, this anonymous letter 92 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:22.159 of a boy, and managed to track that person down and find them in 93 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.039 content. I mean, that's mind blowing, dude, Like, kudos to 94 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:31.840 you guys. That's insane. Thank you and thank you and and it is 95 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.639 a big deal because, like you know, it's the Moth Boys were a 96 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.440 comedy podcast, and you know, we don't have the best attention, and 97 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:45.480 like you know, so it is a big thank you. It is a 98 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:52.480 big deal. It's so yeah, it was. It happened we the so 99 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.879 the story takes place in the sixties. But like we got together and we 100 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.759 were like, we all love this story, and so we were like, 101 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:05.960 hey, let's try and like find this person and interview them on the podcast. 102 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:13.080 So we went to like Facebook, like local Facebook groups and like asked 103 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.919 people. We looked through phone books and found like common names like in the 104 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:26.320 area, and we did everything. We would go through town and ask people. 105 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.600 And then one day we got an email back. This guy was like, 106 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.919 that's my father and he's been telling me that story since I was a 107 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.679 kid. I can only imagine what it was like when you read that email. 108 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.559 I know, I it was just it was like ship Like I just 109 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.159 got goosebumps. And you know, we told him what we are, and 110 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:58.240 we were very upfront on what kind of podcast we are. You know, 111 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:03.440 we're a comedy podcast on cryptids and the paranormal. But this is an influential 112 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:09.679 story and we are not here to poke fun if that's what anyone is worried 113 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:16.879 about. We're here, UM, just as admirers and UM. And he's 114 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:24.360 like, here, I'll give you his email, and then we started corresponding 115 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.879 through email, UM, and then it was phone calls, UM and uh. 116 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.240 Yes, this man's name was John Goodwill and he is now a UM 117 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:46.639 retired biology teacher and living in Ohio. And it was great. He actually 118 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:52.840 said that that these experiences helped push him into the field of biology. Wow, 119 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:58.159 which was which was really cool, And so we got him to come. 120 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:05.159 We rented out the community center in Sherman, New York, and he 121 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:11.519 came and did the interview and showed us around where he had all these experiences 122 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.799 with his family. After that, we were like, we we want this 123 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.960 to reach a wider audience, like more of this needs to be pushed out. 124 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:26.879 So we got the book and we were when we really started developing it, 125 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:28.480 I was like, I was like, I want this to be just 126 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:35.320 like like a little bit more professional, but kind of like something an old 127 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:41.279 investigator would write in like a case file and have like the interview with like 128 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:48.159 pictures and like do the whole thing and like And it turned out just the 129 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:54.360 way, like just the way I imagined it. Yeah, there's no fluff. 130 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.840 There's just like here are the different things that happened, the different experiences 131 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.159 happened to him. They're right there. That's it. There's beautiful drawings by 132 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:11.919 Jonathan Dodd. Him and John Goodwill worked closely together, and it was pretty 133 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.600 incredible, uh, seeing John's reaction to it, because he's like, that's 134 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.399 it, Like that's what it was. Wow. Um. And then Todd 135 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:28.360 Purse, Um, he's another artist and podcaster, a great person. Um, 136 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:35.679 he formatted the book. We've sold well over five copies, I think 137 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.360 more more towards six hundred copies already. That's great, man. It's been 138 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:45.120 a little over I think it's a couple of days over a month that we 139 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.120 released it. Um, we're really proud of it. But yeah, yeah, 140 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:54.399 so that was that was just like it was. I was honestly when 141 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:00.399 he first told us everything, like he got emotional and we got him emotional. 142 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.960 Is a very powerful moment. And I was a little star struck two 143 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:11.799 because I just I don't think he knew how him important. That letter that 144 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.039 he wrote to John Keel was, you know, for me and for the 145 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.159 rest of the moth Boys and the you know, kind of laid the foundation 146 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.799 of the path that led you to where you are today. And yeah, 147 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.039 producing the book and meeting them that that's crazy, man, that's a fantastic 148 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:33.720 story. And you know, I just think it's so cool, you know, 149 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:39.120 especially coming from the old school, that you guys actually put it out 150 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.360 in a physical copy book, you know, I think that's awesome. Yeah, 151 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.919 And What makes me really happy is that John's story is getting told and 152 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:58.799 the imagery is there with the paintings and we have investigative photos and it just 153 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.879 it came together so well, and honestly it does. It. It's like 154 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.639 it's like this is something that like Gray Barker would write in his heyday, 155 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.120 you know, and it just it felt I don't know, Yeah, it 156 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.080 had that. It definitely had that old school feel to it, with you 157 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.320 know, the location photos and you know, pictures of the witness pointing, 158 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.559 you know, like it was so cool man like like I picked up on 159 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.679 all that, and you know, I want people to buy the book, 160 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:35.320 m for sure, but I do want to say that, like so going 161 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:41.919 into it, that that story seems a little crazy, you know, right, 162 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.960 and on the outside of it being like, you know, well it 163 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.159 was like a teenage boy that wrote in everything. But what teenage boy is 164 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.919 going to make up seeing a groundsloth? First off, like, right, 165 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:56.759 that's not where they and he didn't even know what a groundsloth was. Really, 166 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.600 it just doesn't make sense, Like that doesn't make sense for a young 167 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:08.919 boy to right, Yeah, and it was so what I've really got attached 168 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.919 to at the end of that letter. Um, you know he is addressing 169 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:22.039 mister Keel and and he says, um, he says, I'm fifteen years 170 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:27.320 old. Um, He's like, i am fifteen years old. Please believe 171 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:33.039 me. Um, I'm not kidding. I'm seeing these things. And like 172 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.159 it's kind of it. I feel like with kids, a lot of folks 173 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.480 just chalk it up to their imagination. But you have this like kid like 174 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.360 bagging saying like please believe me, Like you know, I'm I'm a kid, 175 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.519 but please believe me because um, you know a lot of people didn't. 176 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.960 Yeah, and uh, it wasn't just him though, it was his 177 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.440 family and what the neighbor saw it, and like, you know, this 178 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.240 whole area had sightings of these creatures and its a whole family unit. It 179 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.400 wasn't just one, you know. I mean, yeah, there's a lot 180 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.839 of things where you know, as a former you know, bigfoot investigator, 181 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.720 whatever you want to call it, there's certain earmarks to it that stand out 182 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.240 as honesty and truth, you know, and h And another aspect of it 183 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.000 is like it seemed like he was genuinely wanting help, you know, like 184 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.880 hey, come here, like I'll show it to you, Like he's not 185 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.640 just making up a story to get attention. Yeah, and it's it's cool 186 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:36.079 because it John Keel isn't our favorite investigator. He's a great investigator, but 187 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:40.960 um but I feel like we're just like adding on to the work that he 188 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.799 could have done. He chose not to. You know, he he wrote 189 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.519 back and said like, hey, you know, I can't investigate all of 190 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:55.079 these um but he ended up putting it in his book, so you know, 191 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.920 it was you know, there's that. Yeah, thanks for the content, 192 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.759 kid, Yeah, yeah, right right. You know. One of 193 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:04.880 the one of the things that really got me, and I think it got 194 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.960 the rest of the moth Boys too, was you know, when we were 195 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.640 talking to John and he told us for the first time you know what, 196 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.359 you know, he was a literal little teary eyed, and so were we, 197 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.400 and he was just saying, like, you know, I thought that 198 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:23.440 I was going to go to my grave with this story. Um and you 199 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:27.480 know, not getting his story out. And and I think it's so important 200 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:36.519 to to give people that. I think I think his story is. I 201 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:41.480 think his story is important. I think I think a lot of these sightings, 202 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:49.359 I think story he's told by humans to other humans I just think experiences 203 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:53.519 need to be I don't know, I just think that's an intricate part of 204 00:18:53.720 --> 00:19:03.240 humanity. Um and and this subject has always been I've always been obsessed with 205 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:11.519 the very human aspects of everything because it's it's not just about the you know, 206 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:17.960 anomaly that was seen. It, it's very much about the people involved. 207 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.359 I mean, I couldn't agree more. That's, you know, literally 208 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.359 what this podcast is all about, you know, the human aspect, the 209 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.119 human story. Letting the witnesses, you know, describe the events and tell 210 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.200 their story and get it off their chests. I mean, you know, 211 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.160 I've been out in the field. You know, I can talk about all 212 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:42.480 the data and you know how to properly cast a track and you know, 213 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.480 things like that. And I know that a lot of people listen to those 214 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.200 sort of podcasts, and there's a lot of those podcasts out there. But 215 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.440 I just think, you know, there's been too many debates about whenever it 216 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:02.759 comes to eyewitness reports, how well, you know, humans are flawed and 217 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.799 memory is flawed, and you know this and that, and it almost seemed 218 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:11.599 like for a long time, witnesses were getting discarded, you know, because 219 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:17.559 when held up to scrutiny and skepticism. You know, it doesn't work. 220 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.200 You need you need the data, you need the research. You know, 221 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.359 you got to show them the numbers. You gotta show them the proof, 222 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:29.039 the physical evidence, and that's what they want. And uh, I didn't 223 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:33.160 want to see the witnesses get discarded like that. I wanted to put them 224 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.359 back in the spotlight because that's what drew me into this, right, And 225 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.279 I think you're right. I think there's something there there. There's always been 226 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.839 something there, that human element. And uh, yeah, I applaud you 227 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:51.480 for putting it out there. I'm not. I'm not. That's do you 228 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.640 make a great point, it's um without I would. I think eyewitness testimony 229 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:02.720 when it comes to the pay a normal or cryptozoology, is the most important 230 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:11.000 piece of evidence because for most of these things there's almost no way to scientifically 231 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:17.279 prove it. If you could apply the scientific method to this, people would 232 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:22.039 have by no, these things are so anomalous, have to come across you 233 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:27.279 know, again, tracks a body something, but even tracks, you know 234 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:32.359 what I mean, those can be those can be fake. So I you 235 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:38.240 know, I think it's healthy to bring a slight skeptical mind to things but 236 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:45.160 also I don't think it's healthy to be a complete skeptic because I think skeptics 237 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:52.400 will automatically dismiss things that don't make sense to them or what or their knowledge 238 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:57.440 on the known universe or you know, what they know about science currently. 239 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.079 And I know I know a lot of folks that are complete skeptics and do 240 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:11.799 that unfortunately. Um but without the eyewitness, without that piece, we got 241 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:17.599 nothing. Without the eyewitness, none of us would be here right now, 242 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:21.440 uh to doing this, I mean, plain and simple. Yeah, it's 243 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:26.839 it's it's very that's that's the most important part in all of this is the 244 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:33.599 eyewitness. So like people discrediting folks because they don't have evidence, It's like, 245 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.920 well, if you're doing it that way, then like none of us 246 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:45.200 do you know, there's very few instances of actual evidence, Like you know, 247 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:51.720 you come across footage or photographs which are great or like audio, um, 248 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.359 but anything past that, you know what I mean, Like, so 249 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.559 you do that? I think it's I think it's you've got to you kind 250 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.319 of have to make a judgment. You have to be in this field. 251 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:08.640 You have to be like good with people and good at reading people. Um. 252 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.480 But yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're I think you're 253 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:18.440 right at this This whole cryptozoology is a very human a very human subject, 254 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:25.359 and and there's weird things out there, and there's I think I think people 255 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:32.079 should be okay with us not knowing things, because I do think human are 256 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:37.039 understanding can only go so far. And I think there are things that we 257 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.640 don't understand and can't and won't understand because we physically can. So speaking of 258 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:48.920 eye witnesses, what's something you've experienced that has no explanation in science. I 259 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.680 have a couple. So my my buddy and I we would go night hiking, 260 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:00.839 and again I grew about in the country. We would just point in 261 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.039 a direction, hike and hike and hike, and then when we got tired, 262 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.200 we would just camp out wherever we were where it whether it was like 263 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.960 a marsh or a field or just in the middle of the forest. But 264 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:19.279 we came to this field that was enclosed by a draft horse fence, went 265 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:23.440 under the draft horse fence and then came out the other side and went into 266 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:30.480 the woods a little ways. We hiked in a bit and in the area 267 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.880 where I lived, there are folks that live off the grid, and in 268 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:40.720 the woods, and they don't like to be bothered. So you're always taught 269 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.240 that if you see like a fire pit or if you see fire in the 270 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.440 woods, you're supposed to not go towards it, just because you just don't 271 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:57.559 know. And so my friend and I see this blue light and we were 272 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.839 like, we thought it was like light because of the way it was moving. 273 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.799 It was kind of moving like up and down. We thought it was 274 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.160 maybe someone running. It was just a dissan. It was just a light 275 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:17.200 um, just like like this blue this blue light, and it was a 276 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.960 bit darker in the center. Him and I we both froze. I froze, 277 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:27.759 and we had we had like machetes because we were going through like stick 278 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.559 the thick um, and so we were kind of hacking pads. Flight and 279 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.920 fight mode went in at once. UM can't I can't describe it. I 280 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:45.680 felt it was like I felt my body felt like butter and I couldn't move, 281 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:51.839 but I remember grabbing the handle of the machete very tightly, and it 282 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.559 felt like my body was just mushy. I don't know how long we were 283 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:03.400 there for. I woke out of it and hit him and both of us 284 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:10.000 started to run. My adrenaline was pumping so much. I forgot about the 285 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:17.160 draft horse and ran right into the draft horse fence and it was barbed and 286 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:23.759 I went into my leg and then I went into another part of me near 287 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:30.480 my leg, and I like ripped it out, um and started hacking because 288 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.759 I was like in panic mode. Um. I was hacking at this barbed 289 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:41.279 wire. My friend was smarter than I and shot underneath the fence and I 290 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:51.039 went down and the them went into his eyelid and ripped his eyelid. We 291 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:57.119 ran and ended up in this field and we just laid down in the field 292 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:03.680 until the next morning because if you know, everyone and their mothers has a 293 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.440 gun out here, so like they see people walking around their property, you 294 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.880 don't know who's just gonna pop you. So we laid down in the field 295 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:17.000 and waited until morning and went up to the farmer you know, and then 296 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:22.079 asked where we were, and we had run to the next town over. 297 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.039 I don't remember running that far, but we got that far. Wow. 298 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:34.720 Yeah. Yeah. So you know, I think having these things happened to 299 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:41.480 you it changes you in a way, because like at that time, I 300 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:47.680 don't know, I didn't really believe in like the paranormal I didn't believe in, 301 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:56.680 Like I was totally obsessed with legend and lore and and like was down 302 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:03.279 with cryptids, but like anything weird, like paranormal stuff like that, I 303 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.519 was like, no, I don't, I don't. I don't believe in 304 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.680 that. And then you have something that happens and it totally just flips you 305 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:18.039 on your head and you have to You have to when you experience these things 306 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.759 and pushes you deeper into it. But it also makes you you have to 307 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.160 readjust you you know, I think I think a lot of folks like to 308 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.599 think that they know um everything that in cases the natural world and what we 309 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:44.160 know about it, and you gotta adjust. Um. You just have to 310 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:49.440 adjust um um because you can't just pretend that it didn't happen. It's it's 311 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:55.480 difficult, you know, it is difficult. It's it's it's admitting that you're 312 00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:03.039 wrong and admitting that this thing was something that I have no idea what it 313 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.880 was, but you know, it's kind of it expands your mind a bit 314 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.880 as well, and it makes you realize that that it's humbling. It makes 315 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.400 you realize that you know, you you don't know everything you know and you 316 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.839 and that's okay, and you know, there's there's things out there that are 317 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:30.759 just unexplainable. Once that happened, it's just it was life changing. It 318 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:36.519 was just and there has there has been like looking into it. In the 319 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:42.519 western New York area, there's lots of like mystery lights, and um, 320 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.240 I don't know, I just I was I was looking into anything that it 321 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.920 could have been the closest thing. It felt like it could have been or 322 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:59.680 maybe wasn't. But just like the description, it was like like you know, 323 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.799 the low whisp or willow the whisp. Yeah, it's it's like it 324 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:10.880 was like that, like it made me feel a certain way and just wanted 325 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:17.240 to Yeah, it was just like a warm, melting feeling. I don't 326 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:22.119 know what it was. That's really interesting. You know, I'm in Oklahoma 327 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.000 and we have you know, what we call spook lights or double lights or 328 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:32.559 whatever. It's same thing. And I've never personally seen one. I've seen 329 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.799 photos, I've seen videos, I've talked to multiple witnesses, you know, 330 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:42.119 and they seem to exist all over the United States. Um, but you're 331 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:48.160 the first person that I've talked to that's talked about it, like having some 332 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:53.039 sort of physical effect on them. Yeah, and uh that that's pretty crazy, 333 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:59.160 man. I mean you must, like I can just tell from you 334 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:03.440 know, the story and you know your reaction or anything like whenever you kind 335 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.319 of snapped out of it and came to I mean, it sounds like you're 336 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:14.359 terrified. Sounds pretty scary. Yeah yeah, I was. It was um 337 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:22.000 you know, uh, I'm more terrified. Like my adrenaline had kicked in, 338 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.920 right, and so it was like survival type thing. But like like 339 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:33.640 when I slowed down and started to and like remember the events, that's when 340 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.880 it became like terrifying to me. What what did your friends say about it? 341 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:44.240 What was his reaction? He doesn't he doesn't know either. He had 342 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:48.000 the same reaction as me. Uh. Um, you know, just like 343 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:53.519 what the hell was that like? And he's he's not into he's not into 344 00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.759 any of this, and that that thing, whatever it was, did not 345 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:07.559 get him into this sedious Um yeah yeah, but he was. I mean 346 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:14.200 he was just as as frantic. Um you know, I I think, 347 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.720 Um, that's still like we still when we get together, we still talk 348 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:23.160 about that, but it's it's um, you know, it just like you 349 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.759 know Hey, what do you think it is? Like that type of thing? 350 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:34.160 And it again it's something anomalous. Well, we'll never understand. And 351 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:39.480 maybe these things are you know, come from a place where we can't understand 352 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:45.720 it scientifically. Maybe that's just not an option, maybe because we only know 353 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:52.880 what we know about about about nature and and you know, if there's something 354 00:32:52.920 --> 00:33:00.079 that's beyond that, that's something that is of course it's natural because it's a 355 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.839 part of this world or somewhere else. It's it's of course that's that's nature. 356 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:09.200 But it's nature we just don't understand. So, since you've been doing 357 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:15.000 the podcast verything, Uh, what's one of your more favorite stories that you've 358 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:21.799 heard or encounters that you've ran across. Oh man, we've covered a lot 359 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:28.319 of really cool stuff. Um. I love the Lone Pine Mountain Devils. 360 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:34.839 I think that Storry is just so cool. My favorite episode we did and 361 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:44.680 was probably the Dragons episode. I did this episode on dragons and how biologically 362 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.039 they could have existed, and like it was just like a whole fun like 363 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:55.000 because I'm a huge fantasy narrative, I've always been obsessed with like giant like 364 00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:02.160 prehistoric you know, mega fun Anna and flora like that kind of stuff. 365 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:09.519 But you know, I definitely, I definitely love the long Pine Mountain Devils, 366 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:17.400 which were these like winged dinosaurs that tore apart a caravan. It's surprising 367 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:24.239 that though in the little over four years we've been a podcast, we've done 368 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:32.079 like like ninety six episodes or something, which is wild because some podcasts have 369 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:37.960 double or triple that by that And I'm like, I'm like, are we 370 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:45.079 a lazy podcast? Is this? I could see us doing a podcast episode 371 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.239 every week maybe, But you know, I think there's lots of times where 372 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.079 we're just like, all right, let's take like a month break and then 373 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.800 we'll come back to it, and just because it's like, you know, 374 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:05.760 life happens and right, um, but yeah, usually Christmas will take a 375 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.480 break. Um, but we kind of make up for it for our spook 376 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:15.519 taculars. We do four or five episodes every year in October, um, 377 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.960 make up for it. But yeah, I think I think we're the world's 378 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:28.960 most We're pretty unprofessional. I think. I don't know, because I just 379 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.159 like I feel like our number, like, like, are the we shouldn't 380 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.360 be under one hundred episodes in four and a half years. That just I 381 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.639 don't think that should have been a thing. But you guys put out good, 382 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.320 genuine work, so be proud of your accomplishment. Man. You know 383 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:51.880 there's other podcasts that don't even last a year, let alone four years, 384 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:58.159 So don't be too hard on yourself. Man. Anyways, Moth Boys podcast, 385 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.840 What what's something that's on? You know? What do you got on 386 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:07.199 the moth Boys bucket list? Well, I do want to. I would 387 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:15.880 love to go UM and visit the UM the Patty site. I think that 388 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:22.039 would be UM. I know it's completely looks completely different due to you know, 389 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:30.199 UM flooding and UM stuff like that, but uh, yeah, I 390 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:37.239 think I think that would be that would be great. UM. When it 391 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.800 comes to a bucket list, I'm just you know, I'm hoping we last, 392 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:46.199 you know, until until we we go insane from all of this. 393 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:54.079 But I just I hope we continue to be able to go to shows and 394 00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.519 THEND and travel and do what we have been doing. UM. But you 395 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:07.840 know it's uh, moth Boys usually take like a crypted road trip, visit 396 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.800 a bunch of different places. Last time we went to UM Whitehall, New 397 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:20.320 York, and went to UM the New England area, Before we wrap up, 398 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:25.079 let's talk about Crypti Bash. Yeah. So Crypto Bash is an annual 399 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:34.039 event that UM that we that that we throw in West Virginia. This year 400 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:40.239 it's going to be in Hiko, West Virginia at Free Folk Brewery. UM. 401 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:50.480 We're gonna have vendors, live MUSICUM brews, food trucks, a bunch 402 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.920 of events. It's going to be a great time. It's all ages, 403 00:37:53.000 --> 00:38:00.039 it's free, there's an after party that everyone is welcome to. And yeah, 404 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.679 it's just going to be fantastic. Last year was great. Um. 405 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:15.239 Last year we had a little over a thousand people attending. And this new 406 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.239 spot is right near New River Gorge. So plan a weekend where you can 407 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:28.079 just hike and you know, go squatching. That's awesome, man, Congratulations 408 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.719 on the success of that. I know it keeps on growing and getting bigger 409 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:37.119 and more popular and it's really cool. Man. It sounds like it's almost 410 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.880 getting to festival status. Yeah, it'll get there right now. It's like 411 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:50.000 it feels like you get there. It's something so different because it's so diverse. 412 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.559 Every every other year we do speakers, and all of our speakers are 413 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:05.079 you know, underrepresented folks in the community, um and just badass, badass 414 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.639 people that have been doing it for a long time. UM people. It's 415 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:15.519 cool to see old heads and the younger crowd like mixing because I feel like 416 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:22.679 so much there um, specifically in the in the big Foot community, there 417 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:29.119 is so there's like almost like a divide between the old and young heads. 418 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:34.920 Which is which is? Which is? Because there's so much I think I 419 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.760 think there's a lot of folks that are it's the whole flesh and blood thing. 420 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:43.880 But yeah, this this is like you see young folks, old folks, 421 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.000 people, people from all walks of life. It's just a very special 422 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.360 event and y'all should come for sure. Moth Boy Matt, thank you for 423 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.400 joining me. Thank you. Where can people find you? Everywhere? Of 424 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.119 course moth Bloy's podcast past. I'm sure it's available on every platform out there 425 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:08.559 except for YouTube. We're not on YouTube yet, not on YouTube. On 426 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:12.159 YouTube, come on over, man, the water's warm. It's great, 427 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.760 all right, great, well started, we started page. But thanks for 428 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.719 having me on. This was such a blast. Huge fan of your podcast, 429 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.880 and I can't I can't wait to see what else here you you you 430 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.440 have coming, oh for sure, and if you've had an encounter with something 431 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.079 you can't explain. Send me an email at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. 432 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.199 Check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com for all the links to the social media, merchandise, 433 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.559 contact info, everything you need, all in one place. And until 434 00:40:45.719 --> 00:41:15.920 next time, remember there's something in the woods.