1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:36,240 They warned me not to cross the streams, but I did it anyway. 2 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:45,159 I would like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads a very special guest, another crypted 3 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,679 Matt so to speak, moth Boy, Matt, how are you doing, 4 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:54,439 man? Yeah, I'm genuine man, I'm glad. I'm glad that you 5 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,159 cross streams. Um, this is this is a long time coming. I'm 6 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,280 very very excited to be on Yeah you are actually, if I'm not mistaken. 7 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:11,079 On my Friends podcast Laurence Smith. Oh yeah, a long time ago. 8 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,959 Yeah. She uh saying your praises back then and uh, I mean 9 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,000 like moth Boys podcast. Wow, Like you must be stoked, man, 10 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:29,079 Yeah, you must be absolutely stoked. You guys are on fire. Yeah. 11 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:34,079 Yeah, it's it's it's wild because it's it's it's. Um. It's 12 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:44,400 really hard for niche subjects um like cryptozoology and the paranormal to catch, but 13 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:53,359 when you're like a comedy podcast, it's even harder. Yeah. For some 14 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:59,519 reason, we did. And God have mercy on her soul. You know, 15 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:04,920 we just had our four year episode not long ago. Um. We 16 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:08,000 interviewed Eduardo Sanchez for that and that was that was a lot of fun talking 17 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:15,879 with him. Um talked about Blair Witch and like he's totally obsessed with big 18 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Foot and his Star Wars nerd Um is off the charts. It's wild. 19 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:24,639 He's a great guy. Um. But yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm, 20 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,560 I'm so excited to be on here. Um. I've heard great things 21 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,199 and I started listening and I totally got hooked. So I am, I 22 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,439 am honored to be on. Well, I I greatly appreciate it. Um, 23 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:45,680 you and your podcast have been on my radar forever, you know, 24 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,000 Like I was saying earlier, I've been around for a really long time. 25 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,240 I'm I'm pretty I'm getting up there. I don't like to talk about my 26 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,599 age, but a fine one. That's right, man, that's right. 27 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:02,319 But I mean we're good, man, because you know, I grew up 28 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:07,319 in the age of the original Star Wars trilogy, so like you know, 29 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,080 I was raised by Star Wars. I know you did Star Wars, so 30 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,439 oh my god, I love it. You know, it destroys all age 31 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:19,240 barriers, so it does. I'm fine with it. Man. Uh, 32 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:22,960 where do I even start with you? Man? Like I I got to 33 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,719 ask the classic question, you know, sure, how did this all start 34 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:31,439 for you? Why cryptids. What's going on with that? Right? Um? 35 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:40,159 So my mother was a huge influence. She was always talking about Bigfoot. 36 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,120 So that was always in my kind of in my the environment that I 37 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,560 grew up in since I was a little little kid. And I would actually 38 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:59,439 go over to my grandma's house because we didn't have a printer, and I 39 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:05,560 would go over my grandma's and print up like like cases that I found online 40 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:12,360 and hand them out to other kids to try and make friends. So, 41 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:19,399 um and let me let let me tell you it. It didn't work. 42 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:25,639 It didn't work for you. Not great, not great. Um, one 43 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,560 could say it ruined my life. Um no, no, no it was 44 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,920 it was great. I I so I've been obsessed with this stuff, um 45 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:35,959 since I was very young. And uh, you know that's how it always 46 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,560 got It got started, and you know, it just kind of, uh, 47 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,279 it all fell into fell into place, and this podcast was was destined 48 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,600 to happen. Um. But we we we actually the podcast started. We 49 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:58,680 got back from um a moth like one of the Mothman festivals. It was 50 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,600 four years ago, um, which feels like forever in podcasting years. Yeah, 51 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:10,519 yeah, that's like dog years man, right right. Um So it. 52 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:15,879 We were like, we didn't see a lot of podcasts if like any 53 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,759 as vendors, and we were like, hey, why you know, why 54 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:23,560 don't we start something, do something like I think Jay came up with the 55 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,879 name moth Boys because you know, it's kind of like we're it's like the 56 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,199 it's like we're it's like boys to men, right, Like moth boys will 57 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:36,360 eventually get to moth men will eventually be there. But Puberd's the son of 58 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:40,000 a bit. We just got to get there. Yeah, we'll get there 59 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,439 though. Yeah, I mean I think I see a little bit of stubble 60 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,279 on your podcast face already. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta 61 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:51,199 whispy mustache going. Yeah, it's nice, it's pretty good. Um. 62 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,279 But yeah, that's how I got into it. So, growing up being 63 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,319 interested in the subject, did you have like some local cre DIDs or urban 64 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:05,360 legends in your area that we're just like fascinating to you or anything. There's 65 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:11,879 always been like a plethora of, um, big foot sightings in western New 66 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:15,560 York. Um. I grew up in a small town called Asheville, New 67 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:24,560 York. It's a town of about thirteen hundred people. Yeah, yeah, 68 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,720 and it was it was great growing growing up out in the country. It 69 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:36,199 really helped form who I became UM and so I was always obsessed with the 70 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:44,839 big foot stuff. But high school came and I read a book called The 71 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:54,600 Complete Guide the Mysterious Beings by John Keel. And in that book there was 72 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:03,000 an anonymous letter to John Keel from a boy in Sherman, a teenager, 73 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:15,720 and it was about a this boy and his family were seeing um white giant 74 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:20,480 ground slots just in the next town over from mine. And it was so 75 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:27,759 seeing that he called it. Now John Keel called it the Beast of Sherman. 76 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:35,040 But it was just it was just so wild to read something that was 77 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,639 like, oh, that's like that's my area, that's the next town over 78 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,079 from me, and it just it totally, it just got me deeper into 79 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,439 the subject. And so you know, there's there's places like that in Guernsey 80 00:07:51,560 --> 00:08:01,680 Hollow Um, which is this really haunted cemetery UM. But it really it 81 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:11,800 really opened it fully opened the world to like, um, the paranormal and 82 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:20,800 cryptozoology, uh and and and and specifically for Western New York like it. 83 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:26,639 It made me dive deeper into everything strange going on around here. So fast 84 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,080 forward to reason, uh, or at least reason for me. You guys 85 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,559 actually released a book about the white Monsters of Sherman, New York. Do 86 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:41,120 you want to talk about that? Yeah? Yeah, So we um all 87 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:46,159 got together and we were like, hey, you know, like, let's 88 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:56,159 let's try and find this this like anonymous person um that had written it's really 89 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:03,799 difficult. Whenever I got the book myself, okay, yeah, I'm a 90 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:09,679 supporter, I'm a fan. And whenever I read that, like you took 91 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,399 some letter published in a book from a long time ago, this anonymous letter 92 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:22,159 of a boy, and managed to track that person down and find them in 93 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,039 content. I mean, that's mind blowing, dude, Like, kudos to 94 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:31,840 you guys. That's insane. Thank you and thank you and and it is 95 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,639 a big deal because, like you know, it's the Moth Boys were a 96 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,440 comedy podcast, and you know, we don't have the best attention, and 97 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,480 like you know, so it is a big thank you. It is a 98 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:52,480 big deal. It's so yeah, it was. It happened we the so 99 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,879 the story takes place in the sixties. But like we got together and we 100 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,759 were like, we all love this story, and so we were like, 101 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,960 hey, let's try and like find this person and interview them on the podcast. 102 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:13,080 So we went to like Facebook, like local Facebook groups and like asked 103 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,919 people. We looked through phone books and found like common names like in the 104 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,320 area, and we did everything. We would go through town and ask people. 105 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,600 And then one day we got an email back. This guy was like, 106 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:37,919 that's my father and he's been telling me that story since I was a 107 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:41,679 kid. I can only imagine what it was like when you read that email. 108 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,559 I know, I it was just it was like ship Like I just 109 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,159 got goosebumps. And you know, we told him what we are, and 110 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:58,240 we were very upfront on what kind of podcast we are. You know, 111 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:03,440 we're a comedy podcast on cryptids and the paranormal. But this is an influential 112 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:09,679 story and we are not here to poke fun if that's what anyone is worried 113 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:16,879 about. We're here, UM, just as admirers and UM. And he's 114 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:24,360 like, here, I'll give you his email, and then we started corresponding 115 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:30,879 through email, UM, and then it was phone calls, UM and uh. 116 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:37,240 Yes, this man's name was John Goodwill and he is now a UM 117 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:46,639 retired biology teacher and living in Ohio. And it was great. He actually 118 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,840 said that that these experiences helped push him into the field of biology. Wow, 119 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,159 which was which was really cool, And so we got him to come. 120 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:05,159 We rented out the community center in Sherman, New York, and he 121 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:11,519 came and did the interview and showed us around where he had all these experiences 122 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:16,799 with his family. After that, we were like, we we want this 123 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,960 to reach a wider audience, like more of this needs to be pushed out. 124 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,879 So we got the book and we were when we really started developing it, 125 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:28,480 I was like, I was like, I want this to be just 126 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:35,320 like like a little bit more professional, but kind of like something an old 127 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,279 investigator would write in like a case file and have like the interview with like 128 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:48,159 pictures and like do the whole thing and like And it turned out just the 129 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:54,360 way, like just the way I imagined it. Yeah, there's no fluff. 130 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,840 There's just like here are the different things that happened, the different experiences 131 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:05,159 happened to him. They're right there. That's it. There's beautiful drawings by 132 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,919 Jonathan Dodd. Him and John Goodwill worked closely together, and it was pretty 133 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:16,600 incredible, uh, seeing John's reaction to it, because he's like, that's 134 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,399 it, Like that's what it was. Wow. Um. And then Todd 135 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:28,360 Purse, Um, he's another artist and podcaster, a great person. Um, 136 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:35,679 he formatted the book. We've sold well over five copies, I think 137 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,360 more more towards six hundred copies already. That's great, man. It's been 138 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:45,120 a little over I think it's a couple of days over a month that we 139 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,120 released it. Um, we're really proud of it. But yeah, yeah, 140 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:54,399 so that was that was just like it was. I was honestly when 141 00:13:54,399 --> 00:14:00,399 he first told us everything, like he got emotional and we got him emotional. 142 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,960 Is a very powerful moment. And I was a little star struck two 143 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:11,799 because I just I don't think he knew how him important. That letter that 144 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,039 he wrote to John Keel was, you know, for me and for the 145 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:20,159 rest of the moth Boys and the you know, kind of laid the foundation 146 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,799 of the path that led you to where you are today. And yeah, 147 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,039 producing the book and meeting them that that's crazy, man, that's a fantastic 148 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,720 story. And you know, I just think it's so cool, you know, 149 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,120 especially coming from the old school, that you guys actually put it out 150 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:43,360 in a physical copy book, you know, I think that's awesome. Yeah, 151 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:48,919 And What makes me really happy is that John's story is getting told and 152 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:58,799 the imagery is there with the paintings and we have investigative photos and it just 153 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,879 it came together so well, and honestly it does. It. It's like 154 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,639 it's like this is something that like Gray Barker would write in his heyday, 155 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,120 you know, and it just it felt I don't know, Yeah, it 156 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,080 had that. It definitely had that old school feel to it, with you 157 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,320 know, the location photos and you know, pictures of the witness pointing, 158 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,559 you know, like it was so cool man like like I picked up on 159 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:28,679 all that, and you know, I want people to buy the book, 160 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,320 m for sure, but I do want to say that, like so going 161 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:41,919 into it, that that story seems a little crazy, you know, right, 162 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,960 and on the outside of it being like, you know, well it 163 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,159 was like a teenage boy that wrote in everything. But what teenage boy is 164 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,919 going to make up seeing a groundsloth? First off, like, right, 165 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,759 that's not where they and he didn't even know what a groundsloth was. Really, 166 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:00,600 it just doesn't make sense, Like that doesn't make sense for a young 167 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:08,919 boy to right, Yeah, and it was so what I've really got attached 168 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,919 to at the end of that letter. Um, you know he is addressing 169 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:22,039 mister Keel and and he says, um, he says, I'm fifteen years 170 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:27,320 old. Um, He's like, i am fifteen years old. Please believe 171 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,039 me. Um, I'm not kidding. I'm seeing these things. And like 172 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,159 it's kind of it. I feel like with kids, a lot of folks 173 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,480 just chalk it up to their imagination. But you have this like kid like 174 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,360 bagging saying like please believe me, Like you know, I'm I'm a kid, 175 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:48,519 but please believe me because um, you know a lot of people didn't. 176 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Yeah, and uh, it wasn't just him though, it was his 177 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,440 family and what the neighbor saw it, and like, you know, this 178 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,240 whole area had sightings of these creatures and its a whole family unit. It 179 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 wasn't just one, you know. I mean, yeah, there's a lot 180 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,839 of things where you know, as a former you know, bigfoot investigator, 181 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,720 whatever you want to call it, there's certain earmarks to it that stand out 182 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:18,240 as honesty and truth, you know, and h And another aspect of it 183 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,000 is like it seemed like he was genuinely wanting help, you know, like 184 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,880 hey, come here, like I'll show it to you, Like he's not 185 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:29,640 just making up a story to get attention. Yeah, and it's it's cool 186 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:36,079 because it John Keel isn't our favorite investigator. He's a great investigator, but 187 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,960 um but I feel like we're just like adding on to the work that he 188 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,799 could have done. He chose not to. You know, he he wrote 189 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:48,519 back and said like, hey, you know, I can't investigate all of 190 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:55,079 these um but he ended up putting it in his book, so you know, 191 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,920 it was you know, there's that. Yeah, thanks for the content, 192 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,759 kid, Yeah, yeah, right right. You know. One of 193 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:04,880 the one of the things that really got me, and I think it got 194 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,960 the rest of the moth Boys too, was you know, when we were 195 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,640 talking to John and he told us for the first time you know what, 196 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,359 you know, he was a literal little teary eyed, and so were we, 197 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,400 and he was just saying, like, you know, I thought that 198 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,440 I was going to go to my grave with this story. Um and you 199 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,480 know, not getting his story out. And and I think it's so important 200 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:36,519 to to give people that. I think I think his story is. I 201 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:41,480 think his story is important. I think I think a lot of these sightings, 202 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:49,359 I think story he's told by humans to other humans I just think experiences 203 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,519 need to be I don't know, I just think that's an intricate part of 204 00:18:53,720 --> 00:19:03,240 humanity. Um and and this subject has always been I've always been obsessed with 205 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:11,519 the very human aspects of everything because it's it's not just about the you know, 206 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:17,960 anomaly that was seen. It, it's very much about the people involved. 207 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,359 I mean, I couldn't agree more. That's, you know, literally 208 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,359 what this podcast is all about, you know, the human aspect, the 209 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,119 human story. Letting the witnesses, you know, describe the events and tell 210 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,200 their story and get it off their chests. I mean, you know, 211 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,160 I've been out in the field. You know, I can talk about all 212 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,480 the data and you know how to properly cast a track and you know, 213 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:48,480 things like that. And I know that a lot of people listen to those 214 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,200 sort of podcasts, and there's a lot of those podcasts out there. But 215 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,440 I just think, you know, there's been too many debates about whenever it 216 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:02,759 comes to eyewitness reports, how well, you know, humans are flawed and 217 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:06,799 memory is flawed, and you know this and that, and it almost seemed 218 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:11,599 like for a long time, witnesses were getting discarded, you know, because 219 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,559 when held up to scrutiny and skepticism. You know, it doesn't work. 220 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,200 You need you need the data, you need the research. You know, 221 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,359 you got to show them the numbers. You gotta show them the proof, 222 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,039 the physical evidence, and that's what they want. And uh, I didn't 223 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:33,160 want to see the witnesses get discarded like that. I wanted to put them 224 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,359 back in the spotlight because that's what drew me into this, right, And 225 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,279 I think you're right. I think there's something there there. There's always been 226 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:45,839 something there, that human element. And uh, yeah, I applaud you 227 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,480 for putting it out there. I'm not. I'm not. That's do you 228 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:56,640 make a great point, it's um without I would. I think eyewitness testimony 229 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:02,720 when it comes to the pay a normal or cryptozoology, is the most important 230 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:11,000 piece of evidence because for most of these things there's almost no way to scientifically 231 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:17,279 prove it. If you could apply the scientific method to this, people would 232 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:22,039 have by no, these things are so anomalous, have to come across you 233 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:27,279 know, again, tracks a body something, but even tracks, you know 234 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:32,359 what I mean, those can be those can be fake. So I you 235 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,240 know, I think it's healthy to bring a slight skeptical mind to things but 236 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:45,160 also I don't think it's healthy to be a complete skeptic because I think skeptics 237 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:52,400 will automatically dismiss things that don't make sense to them or what or their knowledge 238 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:57,440 on the known universe or you know, what they know about science currently. 239 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,079 And I know I know a lot of folks that are complete skeptics and do 240 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:11,799 that unfortunately. Um but without the eyewitness, without that piece, we got 241 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,599 nothing. Without the eyewitness, none of us would be here right now, 242 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:21,440 uh to doing this, I mean, plain and simple. Yeah, it's 243 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:26,839 it's it's very that's that's the most important part in all of this is the 244 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:33,599 eyewitness. So like people discrediting folks because they don't have evidence, It's like, 245 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,920 well, if you're doing it that way, then like none of us 246 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:45,200 do you know, there's very few instances of actual evidence, Like you know, 247 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:51,720 you come across footage or photographs which are great or like audio, um, 248 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:56,359 but anything past that, you know what I mean, Like, so 249 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,559 you do that? I think it's I think it's you've got to you kind 250 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,319 of have to make a judgment. You have to be in this field. 251 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:08,640 You have to be like good with people and good at reading people. Um. 252 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,480 But yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're I think you're 253 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:18,440 right at this This whole cryptozoology is a very human a very human subject, 254 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:25,359 and and there's weird things out there, and there's I think I think people 255 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:32,079 should be okay with us not knowing things, because I do think human are 256 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,039 understanding can only go so far. And I think there are things that we 257 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,640 don't understand and can't and won't understand because we physically can. So speaking of 258 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:48,920 eye witnesses, what's something you've experienced that has no explanation in science. I 259 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,680 have a couple. So my my buddy and I we would go night hiking, 260 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,839 and again I grew about in the country. We would just point in 261 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,039 a direction, hike and hike and hike, and then when we got tired, 262 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,200 we would just camp out wherever we were where it whether it was like 263 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,960 a marsh or a field or just in the middle of the forest. But 264 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:19,279 we came to this field that was enclosed by a draft horse fence, went 265 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,440 under the draft horse fence and then came out the other side and went into 266 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:30,480 the woods a little ways. We hiked in a bit and in the area 267 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,880 where I lived, there are folks that live off the grid, and in 268 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:40,720 the woods, and they don't like to be bothered. So you're always taught 269 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:45,240 that if you see like a fire pit or if you see fire in the 270 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,440 woods, you're supposed to not go towards it, just because you just don't 271 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:57,559 know. And so my friend and I see this blue light and we were 272 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,839 like, we thought it was like light because of the way it was moving. 273 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,799 It was kind of moving like up and down. We thought it was 274 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,160 maybe someone running. It was just a dissan. It was just a light 275 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:17,200 um, just like like this blue this blue light, and it was a 276 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960 bit darker in the center. Him and I we both froze. I froze, 277 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,759 and we had we had like machetes because we were going through like stick 278 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:33,559 the thick um, and so we were kind of hacking pads. Flight and 279 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,920 fight mode went in at once. UM can't I can't describe it. I 280 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,680 felt it was like I felt my body felt like butter and I couldn't move, 281 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:51,839 but I remember grabbing the handle of the machete very tightly, and it 282 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,559 felt like my body was just mushy. I don't know how long we were 283 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:03,400 there for. I woke out of it and hit him and both of us 284 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:10,000 started to run. My adrenaline was pumping so much. I forgot about the 285 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:17,160 draft horse and ran right into the draft horse fence and it was barbed and 286 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:23,759 I went into my leg and then I went into another part of me near 287 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:30,480 my leg, and I like ripped it out, um and started hacking because 288 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,759 I was like in panic mode. Um. I was hacking at this barbed 289 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:41,279 wire. My friend was smarter than I and shot underneath the fence and I 290 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:51,039 went down and the them went into his eyelid and ripped his eyelid. We 291 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:57,119 ran and ended up in this field and we just laid down in the field 292 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,680 until the next morning because if you know, everyone and their mothers has a 293 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,440 gun out here, so like they see people walking around their property, you 294 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,880 don't know who's just gonna pop you. So we laid down in the field 295 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,000 and waited until morning and went up to the farmer you know, and then 296 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:22,079 asked where we were, and we had run to the next town over. 297 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,039 I don't remember running that far, but we got that far. Wow. 298 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:34,720 Yeah. Yeah. So you know, I think having these things happened to 299 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:41,480 you it changes you in a way, because like at that time, I 300 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:47,680 don't know, I didn't really believe in like the paranormal I didn't believe in, 301 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:56,680 Like I was totally obsessed with legend and lore and and like was down 302 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:03,279 with cryptids, but like anything weird, like paranormal stuff like that, I 303 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,519 was like, no, I don't, I don't. I don't believe in 304 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,680 that. And then you have something that happens and it totally just flips you 305 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:18,039 on your head and you have to You have to when you experience these things 306 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,759 and pushes you deeper into it. But it also makes you you have to 307 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,160 readjust you you know, I think I think a lot of folks like to 308 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:36,599 think that they know um everything that in cases the natural world and what we 309 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:44,160 know about it, and you gotta adjust. Um. You just have to 310 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,440 adjust um um because you can't just pretend that it didn't happen. It's it's 311 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,480 difficult, you know, it is difficult. It's it's it's admitting that you're 312 00:28:55,519 --> 00:29:03,039 wrong and admitting that this thing was something that I have no idea what it 313 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,880 was, but you know, it's kind of it expands your mind a bit 314 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,880 as well, and it makes you realize that that it's humbling. It makes 315 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,400 you realize that you know, you you don't know everything you know and you 316 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,839 and that's okay, and you know, there's there's things out there that are 317 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:30,759 just unexplainable. Once that happened, it's just it was life changing. It 318 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:36,519 was just and there has there has been like looking into it. In the 319 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:42,519 western New York area, there's lots of like mystery lights, and um, 320 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:48,240 I don't know, I just I was I was looking into anything that it 321 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:53,920 could have been the closest thing. It felt like it could have been or 322 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,680 maybe wasn't. But just like the description, it was like like you know, 323 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,799 the low whisp or willow the whisp. Yeah, it's it's like it 324 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:10,880 was like that, like it made me feel a certain way and just wanted 325 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:17,240 to Yeah, it was just like a warm, melting feeling. I don't 326 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,119 know what it was. That's really interesting. You know, I'm in Oklahoma 327 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,000 and we have you know, what we call spook lights or double lights or 328 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:32,559 whatever. It's same thing. And I've never personally seen one. I've seen 329 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:36,799 photos, I've seen videos, I've talked to multiple witnesses, you know, 330 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,119 and they seem to exist all over the United States. Um, but you're 331 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:48,160 the first person that I've talked to that's talked about it, like having some 332 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,039 sort of physical effect on them. Yeah, and uh that that's pretty crazy, 333 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:59,160 man. I mean you must, like I can just tell from you 334 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,440 know, the story and you know your reaction or anything like whenever you kind 335 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,319 of snapped out of it and came to I mean, it sounds like you're 336 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:14,359 terrified. Sounds pretty scary. Yeah yeah, I was. It was um 337 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:22,000 you know, uh, I'm more terrified. Like my adrenaline had kicked in, 338 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,920 right, and so it was like survival type thing. But like like 339 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,640 when I slowed down and started to and like remember the events, that's when 340 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,880 it became like terrifying to me. What what did your friends say about it? 341 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,240 What was his reaction? He doesn't he doesn't know either. He had 342 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,000 the same reaction as me. Uh. Um, you know, just like 343 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:53,519 what the hell was that like? And he's he's not into he's not into 344 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,759 any of this, and that that thing, whatever it was, did not 345 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:07,559 get him into this sedious Um yeah yeah, but he was. I mean 346 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:14,200 he was just as as frantic. Um you know, I I think, 347 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,720 Um, that's still like we still when we get together, we still talk 348 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:23,160 about that, but it's it's um, you know, it just like you 349 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,759 know Hey, what do you think it is? Like that type of thing? 350 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:34,160 And it again it's something anomalous. Well, we'll never understand. And 351 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,480 maybe these things are you know, come from a place where we can't understand 352 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:45,720 it scientifically. Maybe that's just not an option, maybe because we only know 353 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:52,880 what we know about about about nature and and you know, if there's something 354 00:32:52,920 --> 00:33:00,079 that's beyond that, that's something that is of course it's natural because it's a 355 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,839 part of this world or somewhere else. It's it's of course that's that's nature. 356 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,200 But it's nature we just don't understand. So, since you've been doing 357 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,000 the podcast verything, Uh, what's one of your more favorite stories that you've 358 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,799 heard or encounters that you've ran across. Oh man, we've covered a lot 359 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:28,319 of really cool stuff. Um. I love the Lone Pine Mountain Devils. 360 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,839 I think that Storry is just so cool. My favorite episode we did and 361 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:44,680 was probably the Dragons episode. I did this episode on dragons and how biologically 362 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:49,039 they could have existed, and like it was just like a whole fun like 363 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:55,000 because I'm a huge fantasy narrative, I've always been obsessed with like giant like 364 00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:02,160 prehistoric you know, mega fun Anna and flora like that kind of stuff. 365 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:09,519 But you know, I definitely, I definitely love the long Pine Mountain Devils, 366 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:17,400 which were these like winged dinosaurs that tore apart a caravan. It's surprising 367 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:24,239 that though in the little over four years we've been a podcast, we've done 368 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:32,079 like like ninety six episodes or something, which is wild because some podcasts have 369 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,960 double or triple that by that And I'm like, I'm like, are we 370 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:45,079 a lazy podcast? Is this? I could see us doing a podcast episode 371 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,239 every week maybe, But you know, I think there's lots of times where 372 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,079 we're just like, all right, let's take like a month break and then 373 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:58,800 we'll come back to it, and just because it's like, you know, 374 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:05,760 life happens and right, um, but yeah, usually Christmas will take a 375 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480 break. Um, but we kind of make up for it for our spook 376 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,519 taculars. We do four or five episodes every year in October, um, 377 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,960 make up for it. But yeah, I think I think we're the world's 378 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:28,960 most We're pretty unprofessional. I think. I don't know, because I just 379 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,159 like I feel like our number, like, like, are the we shouldn't 380 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,360 be under one hundred episodes in four and a half years. That just I 381 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,639 don't think that should have been a thing. But you guys put out good, 382 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,320 genuine work, so be proud of your accomplishment. Man. You know 383 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,880 there's other podcasts that don't even last a year, let alone four years, 384 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:58,159 So don't be too hard on yourself. Man. Anyways, Moth Boys podcast, 385 00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,840 What what's something that's on? You know? What do you got on 386 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:07,199 the moth Boys bucket list? Well, I do want to. I would 387 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:15,880 love to go UM and visit the UM the Patty site. I think that 388 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,039 would be UM. I know it's completely looks completely different due to you know, 389 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:30,199 UM flooding and UM stuff like that, but uh, yeah, I 390 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:37,239 think I think that would be that would be great. UM. When it 391 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,800 comes to a bucket list, I'm just you know, I'm hoping we last, 392 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,199 you know, until until we we go insane from all of this. 393 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:54,079 But I just I hope we continue to be able to go to shows and 394 00:36:54,119 --> 00:37:00,519 THEND and travel and do what we have been doing. UM. But you 395 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:07,840 know it's uh, moth Boys usually take like a crypted road trip, visit 396 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:13,800 a bunch of different places. Last time we went to UM Whitehall, New 397 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:20,320 York, and went to UM the New England area, Before we wrap up, 398 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:25,079 let's talk about Crypti Bash. Yeah. So Crypto Bash is an annual 399 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:34,039 event that UM that we that that we throw in West Virginia. This year 400 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:40,239 it's going to be in Hiko, West Virginia at Free Folk Brewery. UM. 401 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:50,480 We're gonna have vendors, live MUSICUM brews, food trucks, a bunch 402 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,920 of events. It's going to be a great time. It's all ages, 403 00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:00,039 it's free, there's an after party that everyone is welcome to. And yeah, 404 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:05,679 it's just going to be fantastic. Last year was great. Um. 405 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:15,239 Last year we had a little over a thousand people attending. And this new 406 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,239 spot is right near New River Gorge. So plan a weekend where you can 407 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:28,079 just hike and you know, go squatching. That's awesome, man, Congratulations 408 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,719 on the success of that. I know it keeps on growing and getting bigger 409 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:37,119 and more popular and it's really cool. Man. It sounds like it's almost 410 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,880 getting to festival status. Yeah, it'll get there right now. It's like 411 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:50,000 it feels like you get there. It's something so different because it's so diverse. 412 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,559 Every every other year we do speakers, and all of our speakers are 413 00:38:55,199 --> 00:39:05,079 you know, underrepresented folks in the community, um and just badass, badass 414 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,639 people that have been doing it for a long time. UM people. It's 415 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:15,519 cool to see old heads and the younger crowd like mixing because I feel like 416 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:22,679 so much there um, specifically in the in the big Foot community, there 417 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,119 is so there's like almost like a divide between the old and young heads. 418 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,920 Which is which is? Which is? Because there's so much I think I 419 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,760 think there's a lot of folks that are it's the whole flesh and blood thing. 420 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,880 But yeah, this this is like you see young folks, old folks, 421 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,000 people, people from all walks of life. It's just a very special 422 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,360 event and y'all should come for sure. Moth Boy Matt, thank you for 423 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,400 joining me. Thank you. Where can people find you? Everywhere? Of 424 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,119 course moth Bloy's podcast past. I'm sure it's available on every platform out there 425 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:08,559 except for YouTube. We're not on YouTube yet, not on YouTube. On 426 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:12,159 YouTube, come on over, man, the water's warm. It's great, 427 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,760 all right, great, well started, we started page. But thanks for 428 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,719 having me on. This was such a blast. Huge fan of your podcast, 429 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,880 and I can't I can't wait to see what else here you you you 430 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,440 have coming, oh for sure, and if you've had an encounter with something 431 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:36,079 you can't explain. Send me an email at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. 432 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:40,199 Check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com for all the links to the social media, merchandise, 433 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,559 contact info, everything you need, all in one place. And until 434 00:40:45,719 --> 00:41:15,920 next time, remember there's something in the woods.