WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:34.159 Welcome to mid Rats with Sal from Commander Salamander and Eagle One from Eagle Speak 2 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:39.119 at Seer Shore your home for a discussion of national security issues in all things 3 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:45.880 maritime. And welcome Lord everybody. This is Sal along with my evergenial co 4 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:50.439 host Eagle one. Thank you very much for joining us today for another edition 5 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.759 of mid Rats and hey lucky you. This is one of our world famous, 6 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.359 ever popular, all desirable Melee format. We don't have any guests today, 7 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.320 is just the two of us and you. 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So if you want to call in on the studio line, and 25 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:13.080 I know, like yesterday our good friend Jerry, he was listening to us 26 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:16.159 live as he was driving from one part of the Free State of Florida to 27 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:21.439 the other, you can call the guests phone and numbers area code three four 28 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:28.000 seven, three zero eight eight three nine seven three four seven three zero eight 29 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:34.800 eight three nine seven. But besides that, welcome co host. How you 30 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.560 doing. I'm doing well, Thank you, sal How are you? I'm 31 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:44.400 doing all right. I'm doing my best not to monologue, so you know, 32 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:49.919 everything's about self help and self improvement. But I think I'll pick off 33 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.719 where we ended up about forty five seconds ago. For the listeners during the 34 00:02:53.800 --> 00:03:00.280 during the pre show, we have this really complicated and intricate method of finding 35 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:05.719 out what we're going to talk about during this show. Not really, but 36 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:10.080 we like to go through with what we think has broken above the ambient noise 37 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:15.680 at least for us to talk about. And one thing that was on both 38 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:21.280 of our lists that I think it's going to cover quite a few topics and 39 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.319 it is top of the news. We could all give an is little golf 40 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:29.520 clap to the Hoopies. They finally sunk their first ship. It took a 41 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:37.280 while, and I'm a simple man with simple thoughts, and because I grew 42 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.719 up in a coastal area with a pirate history, when I saw a drifting 43 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:49.319 ship with I don't know what ten thousands or hundreds of thousands of tons of 44 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:55.240 nitrate fertilizers worth nowadays. She was down by the stern. She had one 45 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:00.479 anchor floating around. I think salamacagu Gliano on his It's Up with Shipping podcasts 46 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:05.319 can really give people some details on it. She bounced around, scraped some 47 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:11.159 cables here and there, but she did finally sink. And one thing that 48 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:15.600 the pop two things actually popped into line one what are the salvage rights of 49 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.480 anybody who wanted to go up there? Why was no salvage attempt ever done? 50 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:26.839 Why wasn't there even a tug available and an area like the Red Sea? 51 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:33.160 And is that something or a capability that when the Huthi started popping things 52 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:41.040 off at people, Uh, the Imperial we with our what is it prosperity 53 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:46.519 guardian, one of our allies who didn't quite have the desire our capability to 54 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.879 you know, put a wullship worship on the line, could have sent salvage 55 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:55.360 and recovery teams to help out should a merchant ship get hit. So those 56 00:04:55.360 --> 00:05:00.680 are the big three three things I was thinking about, was salvage, possible 57 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.600 recovery, and why was she just allowed to go there? And now she's 58 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:13.240 between her fuel oil and that fertilizer. For those that haven't been scuba diving 59 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.360 or snarkling in the Red Sea, it's one of the most beautiful places in 60 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:23.720 the world underwater. Now they're going to have that author coast. Yeah, 61 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.680 it's just one more exciting thing that the Hooties have managed to do. And 62 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.839 I think your question about salage, I mean, anybody can try and salva 63 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.839 the ship that's been abandoned by its crew. But the question is who wants 64 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:42.199 to go after a ship that's dead in the water and containing fertilizer, which, 65 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:46.000 as I'm you know, which can be pretty dangerous if mixed with other 66 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:51.920 things. And I guess nobody did so. And again into this also these 67 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:58.000 issues of we've always we've talked about this before. The flags are convenience. 68 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:06.839 It's a Belize flagship, British registered, Lebanese operated, So who really owns 69 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:15.160 this thing? Who has any interest in getting a crook a tug out there 70 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.680 to ocean going tug out there to try and retrieve it? Could it be 71 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.240 retrieved? Where could you take it? It's leaking oil, you know, 72 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:28.319 not too many places want that kind of vessel dragged into their fork. Yeah, 73 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.480 so you know, it's it's just one of the situations that I guess 74 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:38.879 everybody decided just to leave it alone. And an emergency ship, unlike a 75 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:45.720 warship, it doesn't have that many water type compartments that can help stop it 76 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.319 from sinking. But she wasn't sinking fast. She was floating around for I 77 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.720 think a week and a half. I know, give me a give me 78 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:57.399 plus her mind is a week here, maybe a little bit more. But 79 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.560 but you're right, who if everybody owns something, nobody owns anything. And 80 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:08.120 I don't care whether you're the Port of Los Angeles or Portsudea. If you 81 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:14.560 have a bunch of guys with you know, eighteen warrants and forty two nations 82 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.560 saying hey, I've got this half suck merchant ship. I want to bring 83 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.000 up your channel. Can you give me some peer peer space? You know 84 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:25.519 that's not going to happen. And the good news is it's leaking oil and 85 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.879 it's full of fertilizers. So yeah, I mean, who wouldn't want that? 86 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:35.279 I mean years ago, but back in the early fifties or late forties, 87 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.079 that shift loaded with the fertilizer blew up in the Port of Houston. 88 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:45.040 It kind of scarred the industry for quite a while about the safety of some 89 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.319 of these things, as they say, in that wonderful part of the world. 90 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.879 But are you my friend's special special price not the same thing? Very 91 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:55.680 good ammonium by to dight, very good? Yeah, that would not go 92 00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:03.920 well in the soup, I don't think. But that I really wonder, 93 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:11.399 you know, if that of all the international agreements of all the meetings that 94 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.560 people come to and all the national teeth and rending of clothes that people talk 95 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.040 about. Things that you can argue whether humans have much of effect, and 96 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.759 I'm talking about global climate change. There are things you can see, you 97 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.360 can measure, And this has been one of my hobby horses for a long 98 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:35.120 time is we can measure, we can control, and we do know it's 99 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:45.039 human sourced, it's pollution. We can whether you're talking about the nightmarish plastic 100 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.519 issues that we have in the Pacific and in parts of the Caribbean, or 101 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.639 whether you have talking about boats full of toxic non natural fertilizer, though you 102 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:00.000 know that much guanta wouldn't be too great for the environment either. And assume 103 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:11.360 that that that ship is probably that will Bumble don't have plans to do things. 104 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.960 Even if that plan is, can't enough of the Red Sea get into 105 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:24.720 the induce So she's got to sink letter sink and waters deep waters off Somdia 106 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:30.720 that have good stimulation that can move the barbage around as opposed to a relatively 107 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:35.519 closed water like the Red Sea. Uh, maybe it'll sink to the bottom 108 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:43.840 and just some fertilizer, some flyer, it will solidify in water. However, 109 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.159 I don't think that's really what you're going to see here. For instance, 110 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.879 you know, when I'm when I'm finding my food plots, my fertilizers, 111 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.080 it melts, which is what it's supposed to do. So odds are 112 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:01.399 that's what's going to happen in anything nearby. Well, uh, we'll take 113 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.720 here. I guess we're waiting for the next ship to get hit. However, 114 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.240 I don't know, have you noticed the last week. I just haven't. 115 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.080 Maybe it's because that's reported it, because it's just not news anymore. 116 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:20.080 But besides the German Navy shooting at everything that moves, including the us UA 117 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.679 V, it appears that the the hoo Thies have slowed down a bit at 118 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:30.320 least on their volume of strikes. Maybe that's indicative to the fact that their 119 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:35.799 their supply might be a little limited. A little limited, Yeah, that 120 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.919 could be. Or every time, you know, if maybe with any luck, 121 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.440 every time they pop up, somebody's shooting at them or dropping bombs on 122 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.919 them or whatever we're doing from the with the aircraft from the carrier we have 123 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:52.679 down there. I forgot to mention the other thing about this ship was it 124 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:58.759 was chargered by the Saudis, So you know, it gets more complicated. 125 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:05.039 You know, it's not just a a none of these things. Was shipping 126 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.360 are ever easy? Which is why I fell Carcleanos is so such a great 127 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:18.240 asset to people who were following him on on X and and he's and his 128 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.759 and his YouTube channel so good, good stuff. Yeah, I'm I'm really 129 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:28.240 happy for him that it's taken off as well it has had. I remember 130 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.440 the first time we had him on here as a guest, you and I 131 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.960 were both like, man, he's good. So it's uh. And he 132 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:41.919 really has filled a niche that in that unsexy but important uh sector of the 133 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:48.120 maritime arena that was not being served. Uh, you know, g captain 134 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.879 and John Conrad you know, does a lot of the heavy lifting in that 135 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:58.159 area, but it's mostly written. Uh. And I know he's done a 136 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.799 couple of John Conrad has done a couple of spaces on X which have been 137 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:07.960 informative and good, partially because he let me talk on one of them. 138 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.759 But if you had said five or six years ago, hey, you're going 139 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:24.480 to have a professor who knows stuff about the merchant marine and shipping issues he's 140 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.320 going to go up on YouTube and that's what he's going to talk about, 141 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.039 and he's going to have well north of one hundred thousand subscribers to his channel. 142 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.159 People have tilted their head at you, but he does. And a 143 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:43.360 lot of it it's because of his personality and his knowledge and his presentation. 144 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.720 But a lot of it is the fact that he's just giving out good, 145 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:52.360 reliable information that you cannot find anywhere else. I think there's a lesson there 146 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.039 because there are some other underserved areas. I think you just need to find 147 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.799 that Area's Salamar Cogliou to fill in that information space has really become valuable, 148 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:11.159 and I know that a couple of significant decision makers have have tapped into the 149 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.159 service that that sal has been able to provide in that area to everybody's benefit. 150 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.440 It's really a great thing to say. Yeah, I think that. 151 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:26.120 You know it, those of us who have applied in the UH, in 152 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:33.759 the waters of the shipping and as a maritime as a maritime attorney, I 153 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:35.919 did occasionally do that. You know, it is a much more complex and 154 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:43.720 fascinating world than than many people realize. But it is challenged by the fact 155 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.919 that we have allowed all these flags of convenience and things, so nobody, 156 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.960 you know, sometimes nobody is really responsible for whatever is uh is happening. 157 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.639 So it's just one of those and this is one of those instances. I 158 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.759 mean, the Saudis don't don't want to send a dug out because they're one 159 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.879 of the who just the Hooies are fighting everybody. So I would I would 160 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.039 guess it's this. It's gonna sink, it's gonna sit there. You know, 161 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.039 maybe this stuff is soluble. I think Paul is trying to tell me 162 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.000 that it's soluble, but he was talking about a medium nitrate. We'll have 163 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.440 to look up a moonium phosphate and we'll see how that works out. If 164 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.600 it's soluble, it just dissipates in the water becomes whatever its elements are. 165 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.120 That'd be great, but we'll have to we'll have to find out. Now 166 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.399 the oil, that's a whole different thing, and it's just gonna plute for 167 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:35.000 a while. Yeah. Well, one thing about bunker fuel is right on 168 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:41.279 the edge of livy memory. We uh, we filled the Atlantic floor full 169 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.200 of merchant ships with bunker fuel, and during World War Two that we sunk. 170 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.440 Well, we as humans mostly the Germans. And I remember his little 171 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.759 kid. You we still find him now and then we go to the beach. 172 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.360 But when I was a little kid back in the early seventies, still 173 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:05.759 find those oily balls all over the place on on the beach after certain storms 174 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.559 and certain directions don't seem as much now. So yeah, there's uh. 175 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.600 I think the uh, the ability for the oceans to absorb one more one 176 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.559 more ship at the bottom is probably going to be okay unless it gets if 177 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.919 it's shallow enough, and gets localized and get on those absolutely beautiful reefs that 178 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.799 at if they are off the coast of California, they would be a national 179 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.279 treasure. Yeah. Well it's you know, all of us who have ever 180 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:39.080 tried the beaches of Galvels to know that tar balls are are an issue, 181 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.720 and their issue on the on the California coast too, actually so, and 182 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.279 it's an atternal someone's just a natural sea beach. And I don't I don't 183 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.799 know about the Red Sea. It looks like from the pictures I've seen that 184 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:54.879 the water is remarkably clear. I know people have been scuba diving in the 185 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.200 northern part of the of the Red Sea. Really have enjoyed their trips. 186 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.240 I just I've never heard of that, I know anybody who's gone diving down 187 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:07.320 there in the in the Barbara Mandel straight. So no, not in a 188 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.120 long time. They don't quite have the how can we say this polightly, 189 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:18.080 they don't have beach culture there. Uh. So it's uh, it's not 190 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:25.440 not a big day, but I I know especially Uh you know after after 191 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:32.120 desert storm, you could pull into port in Saudi Arabia and you could it 192 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:36.080 was an amazing time. Uh. You're obviously an American and you could walk 193 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.600 around town. You could do anything you wanted to do. You could hire 194 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.799 somebody and you could go scuba diving if you were qualified, or snorkeling if 195 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:48.000 not. In the area. You know, like what is it on the 196 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:59.320 Red Sea coast near uh right west of Mecca, whatever that place is called. 197 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.680 Anyway, it's it's beautiful there. But that's that's for them to worry 198 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:10.359 about. Uh. You know. One thing we also talked about in the 199 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.880 in the pre show that it might be fun to talk about, mostly because 200 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.279 we can we can think and laugh the laugh at the Germans at the same 201 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.079 time. But there was news that broke last week about one of the German 202 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:29.599 frigates that has participated. They just went warning red weapons free. In addition 203 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:34.200 to shooting, it appeared from what I read in the report, a couple 204 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:41.240 of attack drones. They also took a shot at one of our predators or 205 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:48.720 reapers that we was up at thirty thousand feet or so. I guess that 206 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:55.519 that's something that the US Navy has a little more experience in than the Germans. 207 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.640 But you can't fault them if you're that was not one of their newest 208 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:07.680 frigates with their best radar system. And I guess you have to be a 209 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.440 little bit humble when you know we had the Vincent's down an airliner thinking it 210 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:17.519 was a ship. But anti air warfare it's not it's not easy, which 211 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:19.799 you know, goes back to what we talked about our previous show. You've 212 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:25.599 got to, you know, tip the hat to the US Surface Force the 213 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.759 schoolhouse they've been given everybody else, and I'm sure they're going to be sharing 214 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:38.000 the lessons with our allies about how to conduct anti air warfare against slow moving 215 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:44.720 drones, anti ship cruise missiles, and the new kid on the block, 216 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.839 the anti ship ballistic missiles is just impressive. I think one of the things 217 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:55.480 that's going to come out of this is you really need something capable to the 218 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.799 latest builds of aegists to really do it right. I don't think that German 219 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:04.200 it was quite at that level to be able to give the skipper the confidence 220 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:08.440 he needed. And you know, you can't blame him if it looks bad. 221 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.960 It is bad. Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, everybody 222 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.480 makes mistakes, and I guess they didn't really do any harm due to our 223 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.240 our equipment, and they actually downed a couple of or several of the Hoothy 224 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.759 things, So that's good. I mean, this whole th you know, 225 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.160 the Hoothies are now claiming, you know, we've we've got this latest thing, 226 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:36.480 the unmanned guided undersea weapon. I think we're all going to a torpedo. 227 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.960 Yeah, copedo with a snorkel from the looks of it. Yeah, 228 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:47.279 So you know they're there. They've learned some lessons from from the from the 229 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.680 Ukrainians, and they also you know, they're one of their leaders went on 230 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.880 I don't know he was quoted in the Hindu Times or something saying that they're 231 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.880 going to have some surprises for the West coming up, and you know, 232 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.720 you never know. But one of the one of the things that did happen 233 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:10.559 though, is if these are that that sunken ship which dragged anchor across some 234 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.759 of the international cables that carry uh Internet and telephone lines and all that other 235 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.160 stuff and caused a disruption, and I know you just had a peace on 236 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:26.519 that in your substack area. Talk a little bit about that, because that's 237 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.039 pretty major area of concern, it is, and I think it's one of 238 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:36.640 those things that if you are a sub fourth rate power at sea, like 239 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:41.839 the Huthi, and I don't mean to insult them, I mean they're they 240 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.559 They took the best the Saudi's and the Immordis could throw out them and they're 241 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:51.319 still standing. We've we've spanked them a few times and they're still standing, 242 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:52.920 like, you know, give me your best. I've got plenty of cots 243 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:57.200 to chew on, so let go at it. The Mearanians will keep supplying 244 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:08.559 them. But a lot of these cables were laid for commercial reasons. They're 245 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:15.759 not worried about security, worried about costs per an autophile to lay your cable, 246 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.799 and they're just laying there on the floor. They're not defended, and 247 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:23.279 you can't defending, you know, lift circles defendant like that, and you 248 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:33.880 don't need anything fancy or even that complicated. When you know pipelines differnt the 249 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:38.240 cables, but they're both on the bottom. It looks like quote whoever unquote 250 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:44.880 it took out the the Russian gas pipelines and the Baltic did it with a 251 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:49.799 small team on a small boat relatively speaking. But if you have a rough 252 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:56.119 idea where those cables are. And not to humble brag here, but I'm 253 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:04.440 upgrading the electronics on my fishing boat and the side scan and forward scan radar 254 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:08.319 not radar sonar that you can put on a fishing boat. Now I can 255 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:15.720 look at the leaves on a tree and the bottom it's I can watch fish 256 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:19.279 swim. It's amazing the technology you can get just commercial off the shelf. 257 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:26.279 If you can localize them. You don't need a fancy diver. All you 258 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.720 need is a long enough line in a grappling hook and a sea anchor to 259 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:37.200 control your drift and you just drift and snag and pull. Now people can 260 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.759 be watching you do that, which you know, Hello to our friends in 261 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:51.480 the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance vam's community. What is it the up nineteen the 262 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.240 Navy version of the Global Hawk that can stay and watch people for days on 263 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.000 it. That's a great mission for that. You know, you can watch 264 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:07.200 people who are engaged in that and then you can have some visitors come say 265 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.359 hello to them. But in that part of the world also you have all 266 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:19.960 these small ships by the hundreds that all look the same. Some of them 267 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.160 smuggle, some of them fish, some of them are just merchants going from 268 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.759 point A to point B. All you got to do is use one of 269 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.720 those and a few people who know what they're doing. Be hard to find 270 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.880 that needle in the haystack that are digging up those cables. So you pull 271 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.319 those cables up. Is it going to affect the military situation? No, 272 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.640 But if you get the right cable or group of cables, the economic impact 273 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:52.359 is huge. You're talking financial data coming from Asia to Europe especially. You're 274 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:57.240 looking at data, you're looking at voice communications, and if you take those 275 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:02.599 out, there is a fair bit of flex and redundancy in the system. 276 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.319 They have to go find secondary ways to get their ones and zeros and point 277 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.960 A to point B. Which is other cables are via satellite. But that's 278 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:17.599 all supply and demand situation, so that when you have more of a demand 279 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:22.200 for a finite number of products, you're going to have the owners of those 280 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.960 products ask a higher price. So that's going to inject inflation, and especially 281 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:33.480 in the financial arena, a lot of these profits and the ability for these 282 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:40.839 people to have functioning businesses is basically incredibly narrow margins that are so carefully scoped 283 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:48.039 about their infrastructure. You start tearing up that infrastructure. It's no different and 284 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.720 a little less hostile looking than if you had some guy with a truck full 285 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:57.880 of explosives pull up to a power plant outside of Manchester and knocking out a 286 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:03.000 power plant. You can do it a lot more low key by just ripping 287 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:08.039 up some cables. So are they going to go after cables more? Did 288 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:12.559 add that capability? If I was them, I would If my higher direction 289 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:19.480 and guidance is make the West feel our pains, so to speak, that's 290 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:23.920 what I would look at. Because it's not too expensive to find and train 291 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:30.119 people to try to get a grappling hook drug over some cables. Then all 292 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.480 you need to have is a large enough wench to pull it up shallow enough 293 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:41.119 that you can cut it. Yeah, some of these cables are buried, 294 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.319 you know, and they're so a little harder to get to. The concern 295 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.640 I always saw for these undersea cable things was the connector points where they come 296 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:56.000 ashore, and you know, those those are would be pretty vulnerable to some 297 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.200 kind of attack. I think that was a concern for right after nine to 298 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:07.039 eleven, and it is a you know, it's one of those things that 299 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.799 you have to worry about. But you know, I don't know, I 300 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.160 can't remember. I think I read somewhere that that cable comes ashore somewhere in 301 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.880 Yemen or in or maybe Saudi Arabia, and you know, I think that's 302 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:25.319 a vulnerability where that would be probably easier to go after than we would like 303 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.680 to think. The you know, the under undersea cables are are fairly large, 304 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.839 but as you know, they're not the only things down there. You 305 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.960 can had a heavy anchor dragging along them could probably you know, especially if 306 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.279 the funny about the bottom looks like and probably dig its way down and yank 307 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.720 those things. So, I mean, I don't know if we know exactly 308 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.319 what caused that outage, but It is a very It is one of those 309 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.720 great concerns, as you said, for economic if you want to screw up 310 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.119 the economics for a while, well, let's interrupt the flow of traffic through 311 00:26:55.160 --> 00:27:03.559 the Red Sea, and we're going to impact Saudi's uh ability to get oil 312 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.200 to the to Europe. We're going to impact Europe getting you know the stuff 313 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:14.200 the Amazon packages through that, through that, through the Suez Canal. We're 314 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.400 going to hurt the Egyptians. Well you know all ball because of whatever. 315 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:26.839 So it is, uh, it is an issue. Yeah. So well 316 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:32.160 we got that, we got well else we get other things there of the 317 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.079 new players have got the other new players. The Italians have been out there. 318 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.519 They shot down some some hoofy things with the with their seventy six millimeter 319 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:48.960 gun. We have Italic also malaria getting getting her workout. Because you talk 320 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:56.440 about a gun that has been involved and improved of in an iterative manner. 321 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.640 Uh. Those if people really want to geek out, I would go look 322 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:07.440 at what the modern not just the radar interface and weapons control for the old 323 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.960 seventy six millimeters auto malaria, but some of their they had just a whole 324 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:18.880 slew of different warheads the Italian Navy. I think the Italians spend one point 325 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.880 four percent of their GDP maybe one point five on defense. They're one of 326 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.920 those people I would love that if they, if and when they reach two 327 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:32.799 percent, if they could just invest that in their navy, because they just 328 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:41.119 build some really capable warships and they could just hey, you know, it's 329 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.440 been a few thousand years, why don't you just take head for just be 330 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:51.440 nice to the Greeks. I mean, yeah, the seventy six millimeter gun, 331 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.200 for those who want to compute it, to compare it to some of 332 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.720 the US or they're about the same as the old US maybe three inch three 333 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:07.440 inch guns, except they're much more automatic. And but I'm many times more 334 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.480 capable than the ones that I remember being on the on the US Navy ships, 335 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.000 especially on the auxiliaries a long long time ago. Yeah, I mean 336 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.400 even when I was a midshipman, some of our our our auxiliaries, I 337 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:23.960 believe some of our anthids as well, still had those dual three inches that 338 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.640 you would see on World War two ships that were they were still out there. 339 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.240 Yeah, it was. It was interesting if there were some decisions made 340 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:41.400 during Vietnam War about about warnings about aircraft potential aircraft attacks against some of those 341 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.319 amphibs and auxiliary ships, and a lot of the people said, well, 342 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.440 what are we going to do about it? We got three inch, got 343 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.559 a three inch fifty. It's not going to do a lot of a lot 344 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.400 of good. So I don't think anybody lost any sleep thinking that that was 345 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.119 going to you know, if it happens, it happens kind of thing. 346 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.279 We're going to man that thing twenty four to seven and blow these things out 347 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:07.000 of the sky. Yeah, it's a very it's one of those things. 348 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.119 Well, we can try. But many years ago I read an account of 349 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.000 during the unpleasantness between Israel and our neighbors back in nineteen seventy three, when 350 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:25.720 we almost came to blows against the Soviets and the Mediterranean, that a couple 351 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.680 of staff officers asked a real I don't they ask a questions. I made 352 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.960 a couple of observations. There were two things. It's like, we really 353 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.920 don't have any anti ship weapons out here to speak of. The Soviets have 354 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.160 a whole bunch of them, and I'm not sure that we have the ability 355 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.680 to shoot down any of the whistles that might shoots. What do we do 356 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.720 because they, you know, a lot of the systems that they had were 357 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:56.039 still you know, based on what they might have faced twenty five years earlier. 358 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.160 They just didn't keep up with the ties with That gave a nice impetus 359 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.960 to advance our missile development a little bit better, because we had a few 360 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:11.680 missile firing ships, but most of them were one armed bandits that can for 361 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:17.200 those that remember the what was it, the California class, they called it 362 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:21.799 a cruiser, had two one armed bandits on it. Yeah, the Mark 363 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:27.359 thirteen launcher that the author hazard Perry Frigates used to have, you just you 364 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.480 know, you would hope that they would just send you one at a time 365 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:36.200 in a polite manner. The things a modern ag ship could do was what 366 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.400 people in their minds said we needed back in nineteen seventy three. It took 367 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.960 a while for us to get there, but we eventually got there. Yeah. 368 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.640 Well, you know, pretty soon we're going to have these laser beams 369 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.759 and we'll be able to attach them to sharks. No, that's a different 370 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:56.319 thing. We'll be able to zap things out of the sky with those. 371 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.160 You know, it's going to happen. We don't know when, but it 372 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.720 takes you know, things take time. I haven't look at the USS Bois 373 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.440 is finally going to the going of the yard after what nine years and and 374 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.359 and uh it'll it'll eventually come out too, I think in another five years 375 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:17.559 or something. I know that I know they don't do submarine work. And 376 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:24.519 you know, we've we've talked about the quote problem appreciation unquote problem about shipyards, 377 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:31.960 but the if are compared to the advantage in a lot of scenarios and 378 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:38.079 hope and our screenforce, it's amazing how undercap lives it's been. And this 379 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:44.839 has been known for a long time. The Boys one example. And I 380 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.160 know they don't do nuclear submarines, so it's not going to help that. 381 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:51.759 But I also we didn't talk about this in the pre show, but I'm 382 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:58.599 sure it came into your scan the talking to Hyundai Heavy Industries with the second 383 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.720 nab about maybe what they could be interested in doing for shipyards here in the 384 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:07.880 US. That just really kind of said, Hey, as long as this 385 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.599 attitude not substitutive, if we've got to call the Koreans in to at least 386 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.359 on the surface side of the house, help us with our shipyards. Then 387 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.400 that's what we got to do. But the Koreans really look interested in getting 388 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.799 in the game. Well, I wouldn't blame them. I mean, we've 389 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:31.960 got the Australians involved in the the austral yards, you know, nominally us 390 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:38.319 we've got the who owns who owns the yard that are our good friend up 391 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:45.279 in Wisconsin has got and that's been a gas Italians. I mean, why 392 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.200 not? Why not get the Koreans? So you know they're building great ships. 393 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.440 If you go to the Hyundai Heavy Industry site and go to their worship 394 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.119 section, there's some impressing ships they've got going there. So they do. 395 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.359 And I was and you know this, you know this generation better than I 396 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:06.920 do because you're you're closer to him. But old no, no, no, 397 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:12.280 no, no, no, experienced and wise. When I read that, 398 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.760 I put this in a d M to somebody. First thing that came 399 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.000 to mind that the thought of my father's generation, who were of draft age. 400 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.280 My dad did not fight in Korea. He was he was in college. 401 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:32.079 Sometime I'll tell everybody his story of the power of a Navy flight surgeon 402 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:38.199 versus the US Air Force. Anyway, but I grew up with his friends 403 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:45.199 who did. And uh, a lot of them who served in Korea also 404 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.559 served in Vietnam. And so when I was growing up, the USIA would 405 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:51.480 would would talk what they did, talk about about Vietnam and occasional about Korea. 406 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:57.280 But you can anybody has access to old national geographics. You know, 407 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.960 look at Korea in the nineteen fifties. South Korea was in you know, 408 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.280 pre war Korea, before it was divided. You know, the North was 409 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.639 a rich part of Korea and the South was the poor, rural, backwards 410 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:14.599 part of Korea. It was poor rule, ravaged by war. You know, 411 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:20.760 infrastructure just you know, talk about somebody something broken, a nation broken 412 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:30.119 down to parade rest that was her and over I believe about thirty thousand Americans 413 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:36.360 died during the Korean conflict, a lot more wounded, of course, and 414 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.880 we're still having you know, plenty of forces over there. If you look 415 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.400 at what they fought for, if you told them when the armor Siste decided 416 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:51.719 in fifty three, I believe what that you know here they be in twenty 417 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.519 twenty three that we would be looking for the South Koreans to bring us modern 418 00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.599 and effective shipyards. They might be a little surprised, little shocked, but 419 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.119 they've got to be a little bit proud too. Is there's a great test 420 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.000 case North Korea versus South Korea, and they should be really proud that that 421 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:15.519 that that that war that they fought for the South Koreans especially, it worked. 422 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.679 It worked. Yeah, that's a it's a great story. My dad 423 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.920 did fight in that war. He was flying Air Force A twenty six's I 424 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.000 think, Uh, of course, well they were the they were the attack 425 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:36.199 version with the machine guns and those you know by twenty six whatever whatever they 426 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.400 were. He was flying those. He has lots of pictures that he had 427 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.480 a lot of pictures that I've got the slides of around here. And Korea 428 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:49.440 was torn up. I went there a few times for various Navy things that 429 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.039 I got to do. And you know, they're very proud country and they 430 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.360 deserve to be proud. I mean, if you've ever been to Soul, 431 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.320 Korea, it is it is amazing that it was once a completely destroyed city. 432 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.760 Uh. You know, they've got all these great industries, uh the 433 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:10.679 uh and they've and they've their technology is is first rate. It's it's a 434 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:17.000 it is not a it is not a third you know, third world country 435 00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:21.880 is not a second world country. It's it is a first world country. 436 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.199 And many many, many respects, and they deserve the pride. And and 437 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.480 if Hyundai with they're building ships merchant ships there, you know, they have 438 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.880 great they have great stuff, and they're they're they're always you know, they're 439 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.920 living on the edge too, because they never know what that lunatic or the 440 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:42.840 lunatic society north of them is going to do. So they they take it 441 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:47.360 all very seriously and they're they're they're their troops are some of the finest in 442 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.079 the world, or they were at least, uh, I know during Vietnam 443 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.599 and and I think we did some participate in the Desert storm and and some 444 00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.719 of the other things. So good, good people and very strongly committed to 445 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:06.639 the to the freedoms that they've they have as compared to especially as compared to 446 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:14.239 their northern brethren, and I think also Korean Americans and are just like Chinese 447 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.599 Americans, you know, one war, draw want to win, won a 448 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:27.880 loss, I mean, but they've also been just tremendous uh immigrants and the 449 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.280 families they've raised here, I know, you know, we're we've both grown 450 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.159 up and served with them. It's uh, yeah, it's good. I 451 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.519 mean. One of the tragic things about South Korea though, is uh if 452 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:43.639 you look at their demographics, they're there nation is going to disappear by the 453 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:50.559 end of the century if if they don't decide some generation uh soon doesn't decide 454 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.920 to have any kids. They have some of the lowest birth rates in the 455 00:38:53.960 --> 00:39:00.639 world. So they've built this huge economy and vibrants isiety just in time for 456 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.760 them as the people to pretty much disappear. Their demographics are worse than the 457 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.719 mainland China, which is real common in East Asia. But they're they're very 458 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:15.280 resilient societies. They've they've survived worse. They'll figure it out. They're smart 459 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.960 people. Yeah, they they'll they'll sort of know. Japanese are facing the 460 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:23.079 same issue that Chinese got the same issue, and you know they their other 461 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.639 other populous countries that don't seem to be having that problem. Uh. But 462 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.599 speaking of the of that far east, the Philippines seem to be upgunning. 463 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:36.440 They're looking at they're looking at buying more yeah, and from from from Hondai 464 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.079 heavy industry. As a matter of fact, some warships uh they've been doing 465 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.800 joint ops with the US, both air and sea, which is of course 466 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:49.079 irritating the heck out of the Chinese, which I would like to I love 467 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.440 being a bird under their saddle, So extra bonus, extra bonus. Yeah, 468 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:59.039 so that's that's good. But the Arks now Yorks now have it. 469 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.960 North Koreans now a new anti ship cruise missile that they're they're playing with. 470 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.840 So one more irritating facts about the North Koreans. They can do some things, 471 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.159 Yeah, there are. When you basically have slave state, which they 472 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.159 have, you can you can do a lot as long as you keep the 473 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:22.199 mass of your people very much uh suppressed. They're not even a communist nation 474 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:29.159 anymore. There's some dystopian feudal reboot. Yeah, what a mess that's going 475 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.199 to be. If I've read a couple of things where the South Koreans like, 476 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.880 we don't want unification. We don't, we don't want to have to 477 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.840 try to fix that. We saw what happened to the Germans. We're not 478 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.760 We're not up for it. They may not get a choice, but uh, 479 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:47.119 history will figure that out one way or another. Yeah, yep, 480 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:54.599 speaking of his, are we allowed if we use the word Shodenfreud. Can 481 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.239 we have fun at the at the misery of our our a German brethren, 482 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:07.599 because really, what are they any Anybody who's served on a senior staff knows 483 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:14.480 exactly how this happened. But what I'm talking about it's something that I feel 484 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.679 sorry for the players. I'm not happy that the Russians got an easy win, 485 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.079 but I'm laughing because I know exactly how stuff like this could happen. 486 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.320 I'm talking about that came out and when I when it first came out, 487 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.880 I agreed that, you know, there's a non zero chance that this could 488 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.239 just be Russia being Russia and making crap up like they do. But it 489 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.440 came out today Chancellor Schultz said, yeah, no, actually this is this 490 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:47.960 really happened. The inspector of the Luftwaffe, which is their equivalent to the 491 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.880 US Air Force chiefest Staff, I either senior general for their air force. 492 00:41:53.559 --> 00:42:02.039 He was on a WebEx, which is kind of a old, busted and 493 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.760 scratchety version of for those that have used it know what I'm talking about. 494 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:14.400 Compared to like Zoom are even Microsoft teams, WebEx is a much more quantier 495 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:20.480 version of that. They evidently they did a non secure meeting with him. 496 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:27.119 It was another general officer, I think it was a two star, three 497 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:36.960 lieutenant colonels a major and a captain, and they talked about everything from the 498 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:42.239 readiness of their air force to whether their Taurus is going to be delivered, 499 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:50.880 how it's going to be delivered. They talked about the presence of NATO nationals 500 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.840 in Ukraine, and the Russians found a way And this is a warning to 501 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:59.639 everybody, and it makes you wonder, wow, I wonder what else they 502 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.760 have. The Russians found a way to tap into it and they got a 503 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.760 recording and the Russians joyfully played it on one of their programs, And it's 504 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:15.519 just a reminder to everybody, but especially if you're The Russian penetration of the 505 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.800 German military and the German government is well documented. It's just this is worm 506 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.400 ridden with Russian access. But that's true with everybody. If you are on 507 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:31.280 a senior staff doing interesting things and you're overseas and you really really really have 508 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:36.960 to have a meeting, but you can't find a secure means just having a 509 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.119 meeting anyway and saying, well, what are the odds that they're going to 510 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:46.159 tap into our WebEx probably is not a real smart idea. And everybody who's 511 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:55.480 had classic classified discussions on VIAT non secure means probably there's probably recorded of you 512 00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.400 somewhere in Beijing or Moscow or both. It's just reading for an opportune time 513 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.119 for them to bring it out. It's a funny story, but it also 514 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.079 is an eye opener. I think about, you know, technology, and 515 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:15.400 how addicted do we've come to being able to have conversations along those lines. 516 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:22.519 The President United States has appeared on TikTok now, and after all of us 517 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:32.559 know that TikTok is a Chinese information gathering system. I am stunned that and 518 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:39.159 obviously probably not discussing classified information. But you know, opening that door is 519 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:47.239 an extremely problematic and I cannot believe he did that. Yeah, I agree 520 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:52.199 in the fact that this has been in the news for a long time. 521 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.199 Help me help up. I'm going to pop off in a second. Might 522 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:04.159 anybody they'd like to ask h I'll just put them here before before I run 523 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.960 off for a second. I don't even know if the ship is manned right 524 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.519 now, if they just have a skeleton crew or what. Yeah, I 525 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:19.239 think the TikTok thing as well is and Representative Gallagher. It's has pretty much 526 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.480 put all the cards on the table there. We know it's a Chinese Communist 527 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.840 party controlled Oregon, and I don't care if it was President of Biden or 528 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.000 for what happened is it sounds gone off to another room to talk to a 529 00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:37.000 caller to see if he wants him to say anything. So that's that's where 530 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.679 it is. The Other thing we need to talk about, I think as 531 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:46.079 we go along, are the the Chinese crane. Chinese infiltrating various things, 532 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:52.880 the Chinese cranes that we're now going to spend a bunch of of big as 533 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.079 of dollars to make sure that we can replace them with US cranes and stuff, 534 00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.960 because those things are also technologically apparently capable of doing all kinds of harm 535 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:16.079 for the Western way of life. And let's see. Oh yeah, there's 536 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.840 a new guide that just came out on the Navy. It's one of the 537 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:30.400 Congressional Research Service things in the Navy four Structure and Shipbuilding plans that just came 538 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.079 out March first. You can get it by going to the Congressional Research Service 539 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:47.639 website and looking for their register releases him back, so I'll give you that. 540 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.480 I'll give you that website here in a second. You go on, 541 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:58.480 can you hear me? Okay? Did anybody else hear me in the chat 542 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:04.400 room? I seem to have lost everything was connected? Is everything connected? 543 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.360 Does sound like I'm not here? You can you hear me? Break one? 544 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:15.760 Two? Three? Can you hear me? Now? Okay? They 545 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:30.280 can hear me, but you can't evidently, huh hello. Okay, Well 546 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:36.079 I'll go ahead of monologue both of us because I can't hear. So I'm 547 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.280 gonna do my own reboot here. If I can get I can get him 548 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:43.760 back on. Okay, Well, as he's recycling circuit breakers. I think 549 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:49.119 we I think we picked on the Germans enough today, and I know we 550 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.280 kind of jump on each other with TikTok Uh. The call that came in 551 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.840 he wanted to ask a question that really wasn't germane to uh to the subjects 552 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:04.360 on mid Rats. So the thing about TikTok in case y'all miss it when 553 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:10.920 we were talking past each other is the reason this we're not acting on it. 554 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:16.440 It's pure politics. We know what TikTok is, we know what it's 555 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:25.920 being used for and we know, especially when it comes to shaping perceptions by 556 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:34.039 those that use it that are mostly young, that it's destructive. But the 557 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.719 reason why nothing's being done about it is because it has become so popular. 558 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:45.119 It's the same thing as if somebody in your family is addicted to a drug 559 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.480 and if you try to take them to detoks or if they're an alcoholic or 560 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.280 whatever, they're going to get mad at you. It's the same thing. 561 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.119 But it's not good for them, it's not good for the family. TikTok 562 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.960 is not good for the country. And it's beneficial though if you want to 563 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:06.199 access a lot of people. And I do not think that history is going 564 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:12.559 to smile on the remaining in action on our part to do something about TikTok. 565 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:21.360 And are politicians whoever they are, who are willingly using this for domestic 566 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:30.440 political gain. I think it's it's not illegal and it's not inethical, but 567 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:36.079 at least in my structure, it is immoral. There's not much as we 568 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.159 can do about that, but it's it's it's sad to see uh egal one. 569 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.599 Can you hear me out? Yeah, I can hear you. I 570 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:50.599 have my mute normal mute motion but yeah, d to reboot Skype for some 571 00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.760 reason. So okay, we'll blame the collar. How about that? There 572 00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:01.599 you go. I just gave my monologu going on because I when I came 573 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:07.559 back from from talking to our caller there you and I talked over each other 574 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:14.639 on TikTok, so I did my little monologue on the ascence part of it. 575 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.360 One thing, you know, we're talking about history and stuff like that. 576 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:21.000 Another thing I noticed, for those that are tracking there what's going on 577 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:27.920 in the Red Sea is the Russians a few days ago had one of their 578 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:35.760 Uduloi Pacific fleet. Uduloi ones come out of Cutter is now in the Arabian 579 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.000 Sea. From what I've read in a couple of sources, it's there for 580 00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.679 counter piracy reasons. I don't know whether it's getting involved in the Red Sea 581 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:47.199 or not. An interesting note about it, though, is it's not your 582 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:53.079 dad's Ouduloi. The youngest Uduloi, the left Utuloid two, I believe, 583 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:58.599 is thirty three years old or so. But this is the Marshall Shapa. 584 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:05.639 I can't out Russian very well, Shota shinakoft which I apology to my Russian 585 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:10.400 speakers, but It's a thirty nine year old ship that three or four years 586 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.039 ago it had a fire, so it was converted into a frigate, so 587 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.719 normal Utuloi. You know, it has those two four packs on either side 588 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:29.480 of those SSN fourteen anti submarine warfare rockets. Those are gone. They've been 589 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.639 replaced with. They also pulled off one of the two hundred millimeters guns that 590 00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:39.079 the Uduloi ones had had one hundred and thirty milimeter extra pepper guns, so 591 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:44.360 it just has one hundred milimeter now. They've replaced it instead with bls sels 592 00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:50.000 for caliber cruise missiles, and it also carries some other anti ship cruise missiles. 593 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.000 Call it frigate began to some other modernanizations. But it's thirty nine years 594 00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:00.119 old. And you know, we looked at the Rapushta that the Ukraine and 595 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:12.840 sunk recently, the one who sunk thirty three years old, the Subba Bruser 596 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.239 a whole one now called Mosca, she was over forty years old. It's 597 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.719 like this is the swan song of the big run Navy because if you look 598 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.800 what the buildings are right now, as we talked before in the show, 599 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:35.079 it is a small corvette frigate based and asked coastal to regional navy. But 600 00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.639 they will will out their old ships as long as they do. It is 601 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:43.079 nice to see the UTUOI getting underway because still there were the Soviet designers. 602 00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.920 They had a a good eye for drawing attractive ships. She is a beautiful 603 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:50.679 ship. Yeah. I think you can can make a mistake though that if 604 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.519 you assume the Russians are I mean, yeah, they recognize that they're never 605 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:59.119 going to be able to compete on the high seeds with the US and European 606 00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:05.039 navies. But except in the submarine force, they're still building subs, and 607 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.320 some of the subs and some of the weapons they're putting on those subs are 608 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:15.920 pretty uh impressive. So you know, it's not really a time to relax 609 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:21.320 about them, but it is time to really start working on ASW stuff again. 610 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.800 Yeah, there ASW is, it's no joke. And like ASW is 611 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:36.599 kind of like electronic warfare. There's so much we don't rightfully know out in 612 00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:43.639 open source, not just about capabilities of the subservice unit, but the ability 613 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:50.960 to try to smoke, track and attack it. But the the Soviets are 614 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.519 not slowing down on their modernization of their their units. They don't have as 615 00:53:54.599 --> 00:54:01.199 many, but there's nobody else out there besides our friends that build a quality 616 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:07.119 boat like they do. Yeah, and it's it's you know, you're you're 617 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.760 talking about their electronic warfare that you know, they're they're they're they like the 618 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:15.320 Chinese have been watching what we do. They you know, they're they're designing 619 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:21.000 system to interfere with our systems two, which makes perfect sense. We'll do 620 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.920 the same thing. So you're you know that the the you develop a system, 621 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.199 they develop a counter. You develop the counter to the counter, or 622 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.360 you move the next level. I mean, it's kind of like when the 623 00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:38.199 days when when the people were intercepting radio signals and and uh the Hollywood Star 624 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:44.360 and started dealing with the ability to to ship you know, uh frequency change 625 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.360 kind of automatic frequency change. Well that's you know, that's kind of where 626 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:51.119 we are with this stage of some of the technology. So if you're gonna 627 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.840 if you're gonna uh interfere with GPS, that's going to have an effect. 628 00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.519 And so now they've got to have a counter to their interference with GPS, 629 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.880 and you know how that goes. We're we're we're all over the map on 630 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.719 this stuff. But you know, it's an interesting, interesting question, and 631 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:14.519 I think the the experience in Ukraine now going on it's third year, I 632 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:20.199 think highlights your point perfectly. UH. And it even you know, ties 633 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:27.159 in the technology which you mentioned lasers earlier. The Kida lasers is power and 634 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:36.559 the Ponts you know when she experimented with with with her laser last decade, 635 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.000 what we have now, it's even greater. And the more kilowatts you can 636 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:50.840 have, which warships especially can generate as that technology continues to grow. We 637 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.840 look at our layered defenses. Uh. You know, we we talked last 638 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:59.280 week with Brian McGrath that you know, we're using our five inch guns, 639 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:04.719 our s s sims, our phalanxes, our standard missile two three and six. 640 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:09.920 You know, there's no one tool that's going to answer all your problems. 641 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:16.719 But we get the point that we have a large enough killowatt laser on 642 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:23.760 board our ships as another tool, UH, that that is going to be 643 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:28.920 a renaissance in ways that until you get a counter to it. Because there's 644 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:35.639 always a game accounter, as we've seen in UH Ukraine for instance, one 645 00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:40.320 of the big UH game changers to use that word, kind of pejoratively in 646 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.079 this regard. Uh, everybody said, you know these very accurate weapons where 647 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:49.639 you can just for you fire one as opposed to one hundred, and it 648 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:54.760 did work, Like the ex calibers for the GPS guided rockets coming from Hei 649 00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.960 Mars had a huge impact, huge impact. Well, for every action, 650 00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:07.000 there's going to be a reaction, and we haven't heard as much about the 651 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:13.079 recently, probably because there's a lumited supply, but also probably and again I 652 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.239 have no knowledge of this, and frankly I don't want to because I don't 653 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:21.039 have the clearance anymore. Odds are the Russians, which have a very good 654 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.400 electronic warfare tradition. They have found ways to counter those, to blunt those. 655 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:30.239 You can look at some of the then you had the UAVs and the 656 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.800 small little UAVs that they've used to substitute for their lack of air power to 657 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.159 go after armor and to go after bunkers and things like that. You look 658 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:44.639 at some of the recent A lot of them were made into somebody's backyard. 659 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.159 But if they work, they weren't jammers. Did the Russians are now put 660 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.920 on their vehicles From what I've been able to hear those are having an effect, 661 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.400 so you've got to find work around to that. So you have this 662 00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.639 Darwinian battlefield that's being accelerated. A lot of these changes would have already taken 663 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:08.039 place, but their need would either not have been realized or funded until twenty 664 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:12.760 twenty eight, twenty thirty, twenty thirty two. But you're now seeing it 665 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:20.519 at that improvement cycle. That action reaction taking place in four to six month 666 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:24.760 intervals really fascinating to see where you know, we've had to go back to 667 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:31.840 cluster munitions that you use the best traditional artillery methods that you can, but 668 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:37.000 you got that dip them. How do you pronounce that I'm not an army 669 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.880 The little cluster warhead one hundred and two piles over here. You launched that 670 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.519 puppy and that hopefully will get the job done with all the problems that come 671 00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:52.760 with it. So it's it plays into that that battle of the technology is 672 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.800 great, but two things can be true at one time. You have the 673 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:02.920 iterative battlefield where you have measure countermeasure, but also mass matters. How many 674 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.440 artillery tubes you have, how many armored vehicles you have, how much infantry 675 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:13.760 that you have the whole body. It really is. It's reinforcing a lot 676 00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:22.280 of the traditional universals, but also you see some of these interesting technologies developing 677 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:28.239 that in a few other iterations at sea, like you mentioned the lasers is 678 00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:34.480 going to be incredible. The semi autonomous when you go from these first persians 679 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:42.559 view UAVs to semi autonomous, when you have the sensor heads and the coating, 680 00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:49.039 we find enough that they can be fire and forget as opposed to I 681 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.039 have to fly it right into the target. That's going to be interesting to 682 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:57.400 watch evolve, but it will evolve, and I believe in a very accelerated 683 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.159 manner if this war continues to go on, as they're running out of people. 684 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.880 So if you run out of people, if you want to keep fighting, 685 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:09.119 you've got to try to lean on technology. Yeah, you know, 686 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:14.599 I think we're just hitting in the getting into a lot of this stuff that 687 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.800 it's going to be important. But you know, again, the I think 688 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.320 one of the arguments against lasers used to be well, are just going to 689 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.159 cover their their vessel with or their aircraft with mirrors and the stuff's going to 690 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.920 bounce right off. I don't know, I just you know, I know 691 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.159 that, like we're we're doing stuff now with the with the x Q fifty 692 01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.719 eight Valkyrie that the Marine Corps is playing with. You know, they're they're 693 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:43.639 looking at using this is has a sensor, you know, have an extra 694 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.440 sensors on this thing. That means your aircraft can go the the manned aircraft 695 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.840 can go quiet and use the center reads from the I guess the the unmanned 696 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.440 aircraft, and they're also going to use them. You know. Again, 697 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.920 we've got all these ideas of you know, we're gonna have missile trucks. 698 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.159 Well, these things can also be you know, weapons platforms under the control 699 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.159 of F thirty five or something. So you know, these things are exciting, 700 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.800 they're great, but you always have to keep in mind that if you 701 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.840 know, the minute you say you've got this, somebody somewhere else is going, 702 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.000 ah, well, let's see you now if I can make a jamming 703 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.199 mechanism. And we do this too, I mean we we when we look 704 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.039 at you UAVs and stuff, we have already fielded the Marines and the Army 705 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:30.480 all kinds of devices to stop those things from overflying. Are our compounds and 706 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:36.360 stuff. The one exception was where you got these guys killed in Syria or 707 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.639 Jordan, where ever exactly they were, was it it? As I think 708 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:45.119 you said that the the the bad guy drone followed in the good guy drone 709 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.119 and that you know that is a problem. You've got to be able to 710 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.880 sort out who's doing what when. I'm glad you brought that up because I 711 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.800 believe earlier on in the show in the chat room, Paul, you know, 712 01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:59.639 had had mentioned as Paul or Lee, one of the two, had 713 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:04.440 mentioned about all these attacks that we have seen on our basis in Iraq and 714 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.079 Syria. Yes, American public, we still have bases in Iraq and Syria, 715 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.320 a lot of which are full of reservist and National guardsmen. But that's 716 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:16.760 a pet peeve I can talk about some other day. We've been successful in 717 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:23.119 the fact that we've had a lot of injuries. We have lost three soldiers, 718 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:29.679 but considering the amount of incoming fire we've taken, and we don't know 719 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.840 why we've been as successful, and frankly, we shouldn't know why in an 720 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:37.400 unclassified, open source level, because you don't want to tell your enemy while 721 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.800 you'll be able to succeed. But if people are looking for confidence and good 722 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:47.719 news. One thing the US is good about is though we may not advertise 723 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:52.760 it, it might be hard to find, we don't suppress information on our 724 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:59.599 casualties. We know who's being killed and who's being injured, and those numbers 725 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.880 from the Red Sea, Iraq and Syria and in the Mediterranean, where we've 726 01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.960 had a couple of interesting things too, it's been it's been pretty impressive. 727 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:13.920 So we've we've we're doing some some things right. And I know from a 728 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.199 couple of people, I'm sure you've you've heard it as well. We are 729 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:22.400 trying to soak up as many lessons as we can from from both events, 730 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:28.440 because it's when everybody focuses back on what is the big game, which is 731 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:35.119 in the Western I don't know how good the p RC is of soaking in 732 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.320 the lessons that they can soak in as well, but usually in free societies 733 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:45.960 we had a faster decision loop. It's if it's properly led and funded to 734 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:50.920 be able to respond to things. So hopefully we're going to be a little 735 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:55.039 bit ahead of them in that regard. Going again to that technology versus mass 736 01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:04.079 uh, there are potential adversary and the Western Pacific has a billion people more 737 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:09.800 than we do. They've got the mass, they've got a larger navy than 738 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:14.639 we do. So are smart guys thinking about ways to better use what we 739 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:20.199 have and to take those lessons we're learning and finding a way in a relatively 740 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:25.639 quick manner to get that in the hands of soldier, sailors, airmen, 741 01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.800 and marines. That's what's going to make the difference for us. Yeah, 742 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:35.639 here's the risk though. Amazing interrupted here because you know, February twenty first 743 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:42.159 is a report that a Japan based chief pety officer charged with espionage. Oh, 744 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:47.039 he has a fire control chief signed to the USS Higgins d G seventy 745 01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:53.880 six, and he's going to foreign court martially's apparently selling secret information to a 746 01:04:53.960 --> 01:05:00.519 foreign power, to foreign citizen. So you know, it does You got 747 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.159 to remember that, you know, everybody, all all nations have spies. 748 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:09.800 Some people are gonna gonna, for whatever reason, decide that they need to 749 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.679 give this information to somebody, and you never know what the you know why 750 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.800 they decided that, whether it was for for love or money. Because we 751 01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:21.239 you know, we were always warned about honey honey pots and all that, 752 01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:26.719 all that good stuff, and you know it's just it's just so irksome to 753 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.000 have the technology we have and then have some guy and of course he's just 754 01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:39.880 accused right now, but uh, some guy who apparently allegedly has transferred information 755 01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:44.960 that was classified to this foreign national and you know why, love money, 756 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.360 But that I was not a good thing. I was trying to be optimistic 757 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:54.559 for a chase. There you go, bring me back to reality. But 758 01:05:54.800 --> 01:06:00.079 here's here's the thing. Yeah, I just it makes you want to Yeah, 759 01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.280 I have some I have something optimistic for you. Okay, this is 760 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:09.000 this is this is this. We're going to go to a low This. 761 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:14.800 This is Appendix D to the Navy ship Building Latest Navy ship Building thing from 762 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.239 the Congressional Research Service. All right, summary of some acquisition lesson learned for 763 01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:24.559 Navy ship building at the outset. Get the operational requirements for the program right, 764 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:30.679 properly identify the programs operational requirements at the outset managements by not trying to 765 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:34.119 do too much in terms of the program's operational requirements. You know, well, 766 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:40.440 uh got it. Let them use mature technologies, use land based protect 767 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:44.639 typing and testing to bring new technologies to a high state of maturity before incorporating 768 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.239 them into ship designs, and limit the number of major new technologies to be 769 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:53.079 incorporated into a new ship design. Implos cost composed costs, discipline, up 770 01:06:53.119 --> 01:07:00.400 front use realistic price estimates, employee competition were possible, use contract there's a 771 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:05.000 prop amount of risk involved. Minimize design construction concurrency by developing design to high 772 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:13.960 level completion before starting construction and resisting changes and requirements. Properly supervised construction work. 773 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:19.159 Provides stability for industry in part by using every possible multi year procurement programs. 774 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:24.880 Maintain a capable government acquisition workforce that understands what it is buying. As 775 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:28.360 well as the above points. I'm a good lord. That was stuff they've 776 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:33.159 taken. They've taken from your blog, my blog, and our program and 777 01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:43.280 put in here. I mean that is we get somewhere gets would you tell 778 01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:47.880 me that? So glad to see that they've decided to take the bold face 779 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:56.599 items of building and building a navy from roughly fifteen hundred to two thousand, 780 01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:03.880 five hundred years and have decided after twenty, after two decades, and changed 781 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:10.239 that. You know what, maybe five hundred years of experienced actually was onto 782 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.680 something I agree better late than never. But good God, ALMIGHTI this is 783 01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:18.600 a shame that here we are right now only having to hear that stuff. 784 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:25.520 Look, I'm pleased that you know, somebody said, hey, dummies, 785 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.920 guess what this is how you do things and do it right? Well, 786 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:35.520 And I'll just add though it goes to the fact that I'll put on plug 787 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:40.560 in. I just just realized that we have we've run over amazing But that's 788 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:46.119 okay. I love our technical Navy, I love our engineers and everything, 789 01:08:46.479 --> 01:09:03.000 but how we ill train I'll teach an ill nurse our history. It's detrimental. 790 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.000 Like one thing I've done the last two Fridays, I'm gonna do two 791 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.880 more. I reached into my archives on my full full bowl of Friday because 792 01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:15.199 five Admiral Cooper, who I like fives Admiral Cooper. He's a great professional. 793 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:18.840 I think we're all blessed to have him, Amen and et cetera. 794 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.920 But he's done as a service when he made that comment about what's happening in 795 01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:30.479 the Red Sea. The first combat of our davies is World War Two. 796 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:36.520 I've out popped a circuit breaker, and what I've done is given the topping 797 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:45.760 my hat to young junior officer one butter bar one, i e. Your 798 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:54.000 generation of junior officers and the between sixty eight and seventy two, the US 799 01:09:54.239 --> 01:10:02.239 Navy off of Vietnam did did some incredible combat operation, receiving three hundred rounds 800 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:06.840 of one hundred and twenty two and one hundred and fifty two millimeter shore batteries, 801 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:13.960 cruise missiles, fighter aircraft, dropping bombs on your deck, fast patrol 802 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.840 boats coming in. And a lot of people don't remember that because people want 803 01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.199 to forget about Vietnam, especially anything to happen at sea for some reason. 804 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.399 Are people just well, yeah, the Navy was like an apocalypse. Now 805 01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:29.199 it's like a little more than that. No, it wasn't all aircraft carriers. 806 01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:32.760 So I've brought that back as the fact that, No, we have 807 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:38.159 a very good history and a lot of people have demonstrated a lot of things 808 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:44.560 that are still applicable for today. Whether it's proper program management, are things 809 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:49.640 that you need to be able to fight an opponent who shoots back into the 810 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:57.000 latoral and I know that we've taken a pot shot here and there in the 811 01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:00.880 Arabian Gulf over the year. Whether it's an EXO set our mind, but 812 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:05.119 no in in living memory, the guys at the exchange, they might have 813 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:11.079 been one of the guys on one of those destroyers or cruisers who came up 814 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.680 within mooning range of the North Korean coast and went gun to gun with their 815 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.079 shore batteries. We have a tremendous history in our navy. That amazing that 816 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:25.640 so many people just it's not even in the back of their mind. Well 817 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.960 yeah, well, and yet the history involves getting hitting mines, which we 818 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.640 seem to always put in the back of the area. I mean, they've 819 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:36.279 hit mines off for during desert storm, we hit mines off Korea. We 820 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:43.760 hit mines we in our own minds apparently off off Vietnam. When the Warrington 821 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.119 ran into a mine, the Higby got Higby got bombed, and you know, 822 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:53.159 fortunately the crew had gone to lunch from the after after gun mountain thing 823 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:57.960 dropped into that mouth, so nobody was killed, but it did do some 824 01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:01.840 damage to that mount you know. I mean, it's just it just uh, 825 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:06.079 I can't believe memories are that short. And given the fact that we 826 01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:12.399 were flying so many sorties aircraft sorties off the carriers and had three and sometimes 827 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.520 more carriers. They're doing things. I mean with that, those were combat 828 01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.880 operations. We lost a lot of people. I don't I'm I don't know 829 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:21.600 where I'm I don't. I don't know where Admiral Cooper got his history. 830 01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:26.720 But if he's talking about surface stuff we were using, that, we were 831 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:30.680 using at some point. We're even using the UH, the DASH helicopter to 832 01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:36.119 drone anti summary helicopters, the DASH units to UH to spot gunfire for some 833 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:41.039 of the ships. So you know, nothing is new, and uh, 834 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:45.439 it's a little disappointed to hear that the people who served Vietnam or or in 835 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:49.319 country Vietnam were not really in combat. I guess, so, yeah, 836 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:53.319 that was really I don't know about you, but if I was having three 837 01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:57.880 hundred rounds popping off around me, I might take a little personal should I 838 01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.159 tell you did it happened? But we'll be the first time that folks have 839 01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:03.319 forgotten. Oh you know, when I was over there, we had ships 840 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:08.159 come alongside who had you know, they they'd been had a round go through 841 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:12.880 there, not the superstructure, but at least of their their masks and stuff, 842 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.680 you know, and do some damage. And yeah, I mean it 843 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:23.119 wasn't uh and and and also the ships that went charging into Hannoi or Haiphong 844 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.920 Harbor. I mean there was a there's a great story there about how the 845 01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:30.560 cruiser I think maybe's the Oklahoma City and destroyers went charging in there to do 846 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:34.640 some damage. I don't I know there's a book on it, and I'll 847 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:39.399 have to dig that out because that's a good reference to uh to talk about 848 01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.760 how how we you know they they went head to head with the and it 849 01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:45.159 wasn't that the North Medias had a big navy, but they did have torpedo 850 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.399 boats and stuff like that. So yeah, and they had lots of uh 851 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:56.439 coastal batteries and stuff like that. Yeah, like, uh, the this 852 01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:00.239 might have been what's one of the occasions if anybody want to hear a skipper 853 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:06.359 up with the one MC years ago, I found the audio of the Captain 854 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:15.119 Lindsay mccanney the Newport News, UH when they and the McCormick went in against 855 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:21.640 shore batteries on the seventeenth of December of nineteen sixty seven, and his is 856 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:27.399 after action wash up. Somebody recorded on the one MC, and so I 857 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.640 turned it into a YouTube video. But if anybody what goes over to my 858 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.479 substackle on Friday. They can they can listen to that there. It's it's 859 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:40.600 funny, it's you know, most one MC calls are kind of want wah 860 01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.279 wah wah wah wah, and it sounds like that, except it's a hell 861 01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.359 of a combat experience. So I always wonder, you know, how many 862 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:53.960 skippers out there could get up and give a give a recap like he did. 863 01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:59.920 It was really impressive. Yeah, Operation Sea Dragon. Well, hey, 864 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.159 on that note, I guess we should call it to day. Uh. 865 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:08.239 Dinners are cooking downstairs. We do have guests for the next two weeks, 866 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.279 but I only got through half of my questions, so I guess we'll 867 01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:15.319 have to do a free for all again at some point. All right, 868 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:20.520 anytime it gives us a chance to demonstrate our full ignorance. 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