Get some facts and come back and seebe. Get some facts and come back
and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and
come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you
need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats
in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my
extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We
don't need no meals. We don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
They're not a detain Oh you're not. That day we weren't good.
There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm telling you.
We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down for you.
He sucks. He sucked. He laid an egg. That's all I have
to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not going to break it down
for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. We have
to figure it out. Em We went hydn final hour of the program.
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in a losing effort. Panthers were on the road and beat the Bruins three
to two. They're up three to one in the series, and Vancouver edged
Edmonton four to three. The Canucks lead two games to one in their series.
Connor McDavid had his ten game playoff point streak snapped. Roy McElroy wins
a record fourth straight Wells Fargo Championship. He cards a seventeen hunder par for
the tournament. Then I know we got some texts. Yeah, people have
been kind enough to take time out of their day to text us and give
us their thoughts. We want to make sure we get to it fire away.
Yeah. This goes back to the Joe Dumars and John Hammond conversation.
It says, did Chris Spielman and Steve Eisman view it great to come back
to two terrible situations? I doubt it. They had it great too.
No, that's that's totally different, totally different. So Steve Eisman had already
established himself in Tampa and the Detroit Red Wings situation, understanding it was going
to be a rebuild. Okay, Steve Eisen was still relevant in the league.
He was viewed as one of the best general managers in the league.
That's not what Joe Dumars is viewed as or John HAMMTT. Chris Spielman viewed
it as a challenge the owner reached out to him. He viewed it as
a challenge for a team. That is, and by the way, he
had never done that job. Going from TV into it is different than going
from a cushy job with the league to a team that has been less than
stable and less idealit less of an ideal situation. So I don't think those
are similar examples at all, I give. I think Chris Pielman's a huge
reason why this Lion's team has turned the corner. I think they have drafted
more players of his character, of what he likes, what he respects,
who he would have wanted to play like and with than a lot of people
have given him credit for. We talk a lot about Brad Holmes, and
for good reason, but I think Chris Pielman's a big part of it too.
Look I appreciate your thought, I do, and I respect the opinion.
I just disagree with it. I don't think going back to people who
were successful with this organization twenty years ago is the answer. Chris Bielman's not
the general manager, by the way, and the Steve Eisenman situation, Like
I said, Steve Eisman was still relevant in his league. Joe Dumars is
not. John Hammond's not the general manager. Do you want him as a
president of basketball operations? If that's your argument for John Hammond, I get
it, But bringing them back as the general manager or in both. I
just Joe Dumars. That ship is sailed. I think there's just no reason
for it. And by the way, you were probably pretty pissed off a
lot of the decisions he made, especially down the stretch before he was let
go, and then he went to Sacramento and didn't do anything either. By
the way, another text, go ahead, Ben, Oh that was the
last one. Oh, I'm sorry, No, it was another one.
All right, give a TEXTA program Sports Radio twenty one thousand. I'm as
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I stick to my guns on certain things. Hey, listen, so is
the one Texter. They believe they're right, and that's all there is to
it. And it's hard to see past it. I just don't buy it.
The recent NFL Draft recent NFL Draft, there was an impactful trade made
by one specific team. According to a national writer at The Sporting News,
Mike Moratus said, the Lions went into the off season knowing they had the
sixth worst pass defense in the league a year ago. What did they do
to fix it? Yes, Tirian Arnold was a big move in this.
Rakestraw was a big move, but the first domino to fall what might have
been arguably the biggest trade in the offseason, and that is Detroit getting Carlton
Davis from Tampa. Cameron Sutton his legal issues gone, Lion's already bad with
him. Now you've got Davis, Now you've got Arnold, now you've got
Rekestraw, and now on paper anyway, you have a much much better secondary.
Here's what he writes. It was only two years ago that Davis commanded
an extension from the Bucks. It's true that he failed to reach double digits
and passes defended last season nine for the first time since twenty eighteen, and
the Pro FOOTBALLCUS gave him the worst defensive grade of his career, but he
also missed significant time with an injury. He's only twenty seven. It would
not be surprising if the self described lockdown corner helped terry On Arnold and Rakestraw
Junior to boost a Lions defense that ranked twenty seventh in twenty twenty three.
Another strong move viewed by just about every national writer of how good Brad Holmes
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you, I'm sure over the weekend, if you had the opportunity to watch
any Tigers baseball, one of the first things you noticed was the City Connect
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and say, man, that screams Tigers baseball to me? I like those?
Did you like them? I personally liked them. It didn't like you
said. It doesn't scream Detroit Tigers. But I thought they looked good.
I thought they looked like softball uniforms. Okay. I didn't think there was
one endearing quality about it, not one. Where's the tradition of Tigers baseball
in their city? Connect uniforms? Did you find it because it looked like
a sticker their helmet? I didn't find it at all. The reason I
bring it up, too, is because Cleveland unveiled theirs a more softball uniform
look. There's these people think they come out with these statements like Cleveland's.
Cleveland comes out and said, we wanted to take this as an opportunity to
really show what makes Cleveland special sort of, not just from a visual standpoint,
but also from a thematically. You're just throwing a bunch of words.
It's it's a it's a verbage salad. Why don't you just be real and
tell us this is a chance for people to buy different merchandise with a different
look. That's what it is. It has nothing to do with the field
of play. It has nothing to do with tradition. Where is the tradition
in the San Diego Padres city Connect unis the Houston Astros with Space City.
If it's a nickname, that's one thing that has no connection to the Houston
Astros. Just because it's Space City and you launch rockets and send missions there.
They really think we're stupid when it comes to this stuff, and it's
offensive. It's nuts. I know, we got a text Man fire away.
Yeah, this is back to the Dumars and Eisermann conversation. It says
Dumars wouldn't find it a challenge more than Spielman plays. Joe One drafted one
as a GM loved Bill Davidson, who, by the way, has been
smeared and his prize jewel knocked down. Bill Bill Davidson has nothing to do
with it. He's not the owner any longer. I don't know. I
don't need a revisionist history over something that I covered for decades. I know
Bill Davidson owned the team. I know Joe Dumars was the general manager and
the president of basketball operations. It's time to move on. It's funny that
the same people who bitch and moan about retreads in coaching want retreads on the
field and in the front office. It's amazing. Joe Dumars was not very
good at his job near the end and when he left. Answer me this,
If Joe Dumars was in such great demand, why doesn't anybody else tap
into that? Why doesn't anybody else want that? It's ridiculous. Stop going
back to the same people time and time again. Think a little bit,
open things up, open your mind a little bit, and say, you
know what, let's get this next guy, like from a general manager standpoint,
had you heard of Brad Holmes and what he did with the Rams?
Honestly, you get a guy in there like that knows what he's doing,
has a vision. You want to go backwards. I'd like to go forward.
That's what I'd like to do. It's just it's I don't know.
I don't know why people feel the need to fall back into something comfortable for
themselves. We don't want to be uncomfortable, do we? No, we
don't. So what do we want to do? We want to go back
to the person who we're familiar with because it's a name, it's a legend.
Great, it was a legend. Can we can we just let's let's
move on. He's not the guy you want to rebuild. You want to
do it under a guy who was run out of here because he didn't have
it any longer and still doesn't. And that's okay, But you're falling back
on it just because it's he's like a he's like an old comfortable blanket because
he was a legend. Here go after somebody who's going to bring a a
a different view for this franchise that has some type of track record with somebody
else and can give us that. We just don't want to accept it.
Why why can't we get there? We just don't know the names? We
just don't do you know who John Horst is. He's the Bucks general manager.
Would you have liked it? Look at what he's done in building Milwaukee?
How about that? Would you want something like that? Well, the
Bucks blocked him. I get it. But would that be a good fit?
Yes, look at what he's done recently with something. There are other
names out there like that. It's a key time in this franchise's history.
I love Chris Bielman. He's not making those decisions. He's in on it.
He's not the president, he's not the GM. He's helping them make
the decision. That is different than a guy who's going to actually make the
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You can text the program Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. Ben.
I know we got a text too, Yeah, fire away. We got
one that says aj Hinch and Dan Campbell were retreads. Well, Dan Campbell
wasn't a retread. Dan Campbell was an interim head coach at Miami. It
wasn't a retread. I don't look at it. I don't look at that
like anyway. So ajhah forced out, Yeah, forced out because of you
know, the violation. The cheating scandal would have still been managing, would
have still been managing had it not been for that. So you want to
call it a retread, that's fine. I'm not sure what that has to
do with that. There are plenty of retreads, a ton of them,
Andy and Andy Reid is a retread, and he's won three Super Bowls in
Kansas City. I'm not sure where the text is going with that. Dan
Campbell is an interim coach in Miami, taking over there with the Miami Dolphins
in two thousand. He took over for Joe Philbin. What year was that,
twenty fifteen, I believe, and went five to seven. I don't
view that as a retread. Maybe we have different views on that. So
in Detroit, he's hired as the head coach. In Miami, he was
not hired as the head coach there. He was given that once the head
coach was fired. He was a tight ends coach with the Miami Dolphins for
an extended period of time, and I believe was still the head of the
tight ends coach when he was named interim. He was the assistant head coach
and tight ends coach in New Orleans. I don't think that makes him a
retread. Ah Hinch sure won a World Series Houston. You'd have to consider
a retread. So some of the greatest coaches of all time are retreads.
Guys. You know, Bill Belichick's a retreat because he was a head coach
before. Scottie Bowman retread Miami or I should say Montreal Saint Louis. Yeah,
I've got nothing against retreads, Absolutely nothing against them. I don't think
every coach hired if they're fired, and they're bound to be. Some of
the best coaches of all time have been fired. Guys have won championships and
been fired, Like Babcock won a Stanley Cup, was fired. Dyne Casey
was Coach of the Year, was fired. Joe Tory, viewed as one
of the best baseball men of all time, was fired. Jim Leland was
fired. These things happen. Do I think, Do I think they deserve
another chance at another job? You're damn right, depending on the situation.
That has very little to do with what we were discussing. If those techs
are about what we were talking about with Joe Dumars and John Hammond Meyer,
hotlines open for you eight six six eight three, eight forty eight forty three.
Let's go there, now, Ben, who we got, Yeah,
we got Freddy on the line Freddie, good morning, hope you had your
wife had a lovely Mother's day? What's going on? Yeah, it was.
She wasn't Ohio when I was at work. It was good Bobbi.
Okay, Well so she's away from you, so she probably did have a
very good one on the way around. Hey anyway, mar mar marv Levy.
Marv Levy was a retread. So obviously the texter is me. I
put my name out of text. I don't know why Ben doesn't say my
name, but it's not a big deal. So you know, the point
of I might have to stop setting texts because if it's not right correctly the
whole context, it comes out differently on it. But I just don't have
the time to call anymore with these kids in the morning. But I try.
But then the point of my the point of my text was, first
of all, when you know, if I have an opinion, there's I
don't care about win or now. It's not about winning or losing. It's
just about expressing an opinion. The point of the text was Tom Gores wants
to save his name in this town because it because with the pisss Apathya set
in, I go back to the moment when Sheila Fordhamp put her hands in
her face Thanksgiving versus Houston, Texas. Apathy has set in Matt Patricia,
Bob Quinn. It was at the lowest point of all points, and no
one in this town. No one in this town thought the Lions would ever
come back. No one did. And then they hired a coach before you
hired a GM and no one thought that the Lions would come back. So
the Pissons right now, no one thinks the Pistons are going to come back.
So what what what? Sheila did one of her best, the best
moves she made, which I agree with you, no one talks about.
She went to Chris Fielm and said listen, and maybe Chris went to her
who knows, and said, listen, this is bad. Well, we
got to do something here. I need your help. And Tom Gorge is
Tom Gorge has hired three or four guys and nothing has worked. Nothing.
And I think about a guy that came here that that it was unpopular at
the time that the owner took Joe Dumars over Isaiah Thomas because Isaiah Thomas was,
you know, the jewel of the franchise. But Bill Davidson new to
go with Joe Dumars. He turned the franchise around. So what is Tom
dude? You asked you? You said about a guy? Do you know
a guy named John Horst in Milwaukee? Of course I see that all the
time. I read it all the time. Do we trust Tom Gors to
make another move? That's that's kind of really my whole point about this.
When when Steve eismer came here, yes he was respected GM, but he
he left a fantastic situation that he built to come here. Why did he
come here? Because the Red Wings are his hard there, there is passion,
he's a he's a king in this town. And I just thought maybe
it's something to consider. Because we know Joe Dumars is winning. You know
what Karen Davison did to him, there's a whole different ballgame. That's that's
kind of the whole point of the test. Doesn't make me right, doesn't
make me wrong, But the odds are good again on my side, Tom
Gore is going out there to pick another guy. It's not good chef.
That's my That's really my problem with with Tom Gors. Yeah, I totally
get that, and I do appreciate it thanks to the phone call. I
just think if you're looking at a guy who has done it recently and doing
it right now, Sam Presty, for example, who's done it at OKAC,
I think moving them from a general manager to a president or whatever it
may be, that to me would be more impactful, more important, I
think than bringing back Joe Dumars. And look, you're one hundred percent right,
I mean you don't. When a man has made as many poor decisions
as Tom Gors has made for his coaches and or leaders of his organization,
then I think a lot of people are going to question it moving forward.
I'm just I mean, at some point, some point, we've got to
let go. And I think comparing one guy Steve Eisaman, who had built
Tampa, like you said, was coming home, but was doing that while
still in the business, I think is different than your examples. Joe Dumars
is not a general manager. He is not a president of basketball ops.
He's in the NBA front office handing out fines. I think he's done.
Doesn't mean I didn't appreciate it. I just think he's done, and I
think it's time to pick somebody else who that is Sean Marks. I don't
know, Okay, I'm not claiming to know. I've got some names,
I've got some ideas that I've given you instead of falling back into a habit
of going, let's have I'll guy come back and do it, let's reunite
and have something special again, when it wasn't special at the end of his
tenure. First of all, I think I do give you credit for staying
positive. I do. I mean, you're you're trying to be as optimistic
as possible. Joe Dumars is a guy who has, you know, kind
of owned his mistakes. Okay, there's too many times. That's why I
brought up what I did. I brought up his successes, you know,
the number of Eastern Conference finals in a row and so on and so forth.
I think that's important to do that. I've said that before. This
is a guy who but there are plenty of negatives when it comes to Joe
Dumars too, that we are conveniently forgetting. There are plenty of big mistakes
that caught up to him. One is obvious, Okay, Chauncey Billips Alan
Iverson, do I need to remind you of that? What about the fact
that he lets Rick Carlisle go, where's the track record there? With all
due respect, honestly, I mean, what's the Joe Dumar? I wish
I could have kept him on long? What's the track record there? Is
it? Michael Curry? Is it? Flip Saunders? Is it? John
Lawyer? Tell me the decisions that he made in his tenure. And I've
already given him credit for a lot of things, but in his tenure that
makes you go, God, dang man. Got to have him back,
have to have him back. I'll tell you what it is. It's the
emotion. It's the emotion that he is ours and that he wanted to be
here. Oh boy, finally we've got somebody who who really wanted to be
here. I want that feeling again. I want to feel wanted. No
the darko, militant, just low hanging fruit man. That's easy. That's
what everybody says. They still want a championship despite that. Okay, I'm
not claiming that he was the right pick. I'm not claiming that Joe Dumar
should be given a free pass and all that other stuff. He's a Hall
of Fame executive. But there were plenty of mistakes man late in his tenure,
he made mistakes Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva trading for Allen iverson the carousel
of coaches. Honestly, I mean he even admitted that his inability to transition
out of the Richard Hamilton, Ben Wallace, Chauncey B Phillips era was bad.
He treated Antonio mcdce for who check Sam? Right? Did you forget
that? It brings up a really interesting point. I mean, when do
you close the window on your core group? When do you decide, Okay,
that's it. I've got to move on Toronto mapleiefs are trying to deal
with that right now. When do we move on from the combination of John
Tavares and Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner and the talent that they have, okay,
and they've got a lot of it. When do we break it up
to find something different. Joe Dumars had to do the same thing. It
didn't work for him. It was not good. But you want to go
back to it because he wore a Piston uniform. He won a championship too
as a player and want a championship as an executive. In two thousand and
four and it's twenty twenty four. But I'm gonna hold on not me.
We can respectfully disagree, don't want it, no thanks, I'm going to
move forward. The Meyer hotlines eight sixty six eight three, eight forty eight
forty three Tech Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. At some point you got
to close the damn door. Look for somebody else. Let somebody else come
here, take root and this be their place, like Brad Holmes, for
example. You hope that will be the case for Scott Harris. Don't know.
That's still wide open on that I had mentioned just prior to the break.
We're not gonna be able to dive into this all that much. But
the disrespect that word is probably overused a lot. But there was a recent
article on a website about ranking the quarterbacks in the NFL and brock Purty was
up there among the top quarterbacks in the league, and apparently there was a
lot of pushback on that. Forget the fact that his team reached the super
Bowl. Forget the fact that his completion rate was outstanding and touchdown to interception
rate was outstanding. Forget that he's twenty four cap friendly, very accurate playing
on one of the best teams in football. Mister irrelevant, last player taken
in the draft. People can't get beyond it. It's a cool story,
but wouldn't want him Why because he's mister irrelevant because everybody failed to It's okay
to have Tom Brady, for example, go late in the draft. Joe
Montana be a third round pick anyway. One of the storylines in training camp
will be how much respect a guy like Brock Purty of the forty nine ers
gets. Didn't really get a chance to get into that. Maybe we can
carry it over tomorrow. I want to thank Ben for producing our program this
morning. Thanks to you for your text and your phone calls. It's always
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