WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.679 Karen, Yes, are you ready? Yes? Are what I love? 2 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:07.960 How willing to go? Are you ready? Maybe? Okay? Are you 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:14.560 ready to accelerate your spiritual growth and development by applying practical approaches to ancient metaphysical 4 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:19.600 concepts and techniques. Ooh yes, but that sounds complicated. Ah, well, 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.320 then you're in luck once again. Today we're going deep. We're tackling 6 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:29.359 the tough questions with someone that's so well positioned to answer these questions once and 7 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:33.960 for all. And I'm talking topics like enlightenment, the ego, karma, 8 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:38.719 even the pursuit of material success while seeking a spiritual path. Right, how 9 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:42.399 do you do that? Well? Today, no question is going to remain 10 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:50.079 unanswered except those that he can't answer. But we're sure, except for why 11 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:54.600 am I sitting here with you? One things for sure. We know that 12 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.560 you're going to leave with a lot more answers than questions by the end of 13 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.320 this episode. So relax, sit back, and allow your mind to expand 14 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:07.040 on this episode of the Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm Karen, 15 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.640 and unlike moulderin Scully, want to believe. So we've embarked in a 16 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.879 journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical 17 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.879 world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a 18 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.680 coven of witches and wait, you joined a coven? Yep, all in 19 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.680 the interest of finding something, anything, that will prove that there's something beyond 20 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.640 this physical, three dimensional world we all live in. This is the Skeptic 21 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:48.280 Metaphysicians. Welcome to another eye opening episode of the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will 22 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.719 and I'm Sarious, and today we've got the pleasure of being accompanied by a 23 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:57.920 spiritual mentor, an author who's dedicated to guiding individuals to deep metaphysical journeys. 24 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:05.319 I'm talking deeps. Yes, he way deeper than that. He deals in 25 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:10.240 advanced techniques and mentorship programs for folks that are looking for genuine spiritual growth and 26 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:15.680 the focusing on integrating metaphysical concepts into their daily life. Wow. Yeah, 27 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.240 that's a mouthful. I know, I don't even know what that means. 28 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:24.120 Well, listen up, because his courses like Keys Success and Dream Interpretation Masterclass 29 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:32.599 provide essential tools for spiritual progression and emphasizes a balanced approach combining ancient wisdom with 30 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:38.520 modern insights for holistic spirituality. I don't want to talk anymore. Welcome to 31 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.599 the show, Taraku day. How are you doing today? Thank you, 32 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.800 thank you. I'm doing wonderful. I'm doing wonderful. It's a beautiful day. 33 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.439 He is a beautiful day. Every day, every day that we're here 34 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:52.520 is a beautiful day. This sile of the frost line is a good place 35 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:58.400 to be, no questions. All right, well then let's let's just get 36 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:02.599 right down into it, because is we tease a lot in the show intro 37 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.520 and no pressure, but we're looking for a lot of answers here, right, 38 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:14.560 Okay, So you are you have an extensive repertoire of tools that you 39 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:20.120 use as a spiritual mentor Absolutely the biggest question though, because people who are 40 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.800 listening to the show have heard a lot of spiritual mentors talk about what the 41 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:28.080 best path forward is not kind of stuff, but some of us are still 42 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.680 no matter how many times we listen to someone, there's the common hurdles that 43 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:37.560 we face on this path to enlightenment. So how what would you say are 44 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:43.520 the most common hurdles and how can you personally guide people through those. Yeah, 45 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.159 I mean, I would say the most common hurdle is probably one, 46 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:53.639 I mean willpower, someone having the willpower to actually do the work, because 47 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:58.520 it's very easy to listen to podcasts and watch videos and read books and things. 48 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.000 But to then take time out and carve out time, a lot of 49 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:08.680 time to really put things into practice and to stick with it for extended periods 50 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:13.000 of time enough to really see results, it's probably the biggest. And then 51 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:18.519 with that, definitely concentration. Concentration, I feel is one of the biggest 52 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:26.759 tools that is so lacking in people's spiritual practice, and it's so simple to 53 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:34.639 build. It might easy. When I first got into meditation, it was 54 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.879 all about concentration, and I was a master at it once. I mean 55 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.879 I was like after a while, I was like I was I could concentrate 56 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.639 like people could be watching TV and I'm reading a book and I'm like zoned 57 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.759 in, like nothing, nothing distracting me. But since I had a weird 58 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.279 work thing happened about a year or so ago and it threw me completely. 59 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:58.160 And since my meditations have been spotty at best, in my concentration is crap. 60 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.560 So that's something that you can lose. I didn't realize that you can 61 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:08.000 lose that skill of concentrating. Yeah. Well, it's a mental muscle. 62 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.480 So just like your physical muscles, you can something can happen where you tear 63 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.600 a muscle and you need time for lot of heal and rebuild, or you 64 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.399 don't use it and the muscle gets weak. You just have to slowly practice 65 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:19.759 and build it up. Gotcha. So let's say I tore my brain, 66 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:26.279 not that I don't use my brain. Mine just has a little sprain. 67 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.759 How do you do mental exercise? I mean when you say that, I'm 68 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.399 like, oh, you just do a bunch of math problems. I can 69 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:38.879 do that, But this is a different type of mental exercise. What does 70 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:42.360 that mean? Yeah? Well, I mean just about any kind of spiritual 71 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.839 practice is going to help build your willpower and concentration regularly. I'm sure anybody 72 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.959 who's practiced meditation might have had a tough time at first, but anybody who's 73 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.920 done it for a while, at least like three months or more would probably 74 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.240 notice that their concentration is actually getting better. Is your willpower is actually getting 75 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:04.480 better in things? But when you have a specific exercise just for the will 76 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:12.040 power or just for concentration. Then that's how you really exercise that muscle. 77 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.759 And for example, what I teach is that Tataka concentration exercise where you just 78 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.759 place your attention on a candle flame and hold your attention there, and as 79 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:25.120 soon as you realize you're distracted, you acknowledge that with a little tick mark 80 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.959 on a piece of paper, bring your attention back and hold it there. 81 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.600 And you just repeat that over and over for ten minutes every single day, 82 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.399 and do it for ten minutes once a day every day for the rest of 83 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:39.600 your life. It's start in ninety days. Yeah, there's a lot of 84 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.360 candles, but then you got to carry a candle around you all the time 85 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.639 whenever you want to concentrate. So how do you goeah, I mean you 86 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.160 can. You don't necessarily need a candle. You can use your tip, 87 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.120 your finger, you can use a blade of grass, you can use a 88 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.040 drop of water. In the Keys of Success course, I teach this and 89 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.439 I do throw a candle out there. But I also you can because one 90 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.240 thing you can do is because like a fingertip and a blade of grass and 91 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.160 a drop of water are still difficult because the nature of the mind is motion, 92 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:05.040 and so that's very still, so it's gonna be like going to the 93 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:09.160 gym and hey, bench press this two twenty right here. Well, start 94 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:12.240 me out with something light. Yeah, So that's why like a candle flame 95 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.040 is nice because there's a little motion to it. You know. So if 96 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.040 you if you're out traveling or something, just spend ten minutes in a park 97 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.360 looking at a cloud or or one leaf blowing in the wind a little bit, 98 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.000 there's a little bit of motion to that. Or if you can just 99 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.079 go to the fauset and drip a little bit of water, Just get a 100 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.720 little tiny water drip, maybe one every two or three seconds, so you 101 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.839 have time to watch the drop form and watch the water drop actually drop, 102 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.920 and so there's a little bit of motion to it, but there's also some 103 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.360 stillness to it. So you can do all types of things like that, 104 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.759 or the second hand on a clock. I mean most people use digital clocks 105 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:50.959 now, but yeah, or like say you use app right right up, 106 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.879 A candle flame and that water drop thing is cool, except you know how 107 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.439 expensive water bills are these days. I don't know. Maybe all right, 108 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.680 So that's a cool way is to strengthen your concentration. But you said something 109 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.800 that struck my attention. You said that you had exercises that would increase your 110 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:15.439 willpower. Is that yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Now that is what I 111 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.920 need. I need the concentration too, but I need the willpower more so 112 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:26.079 I can be concentrated. Yeah, yeah, concentrated. Yes, it makes 113 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:30.240 perfect sense. I mean they go hand in hand. So like, for 114 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.559 what I would start out with is first just understanding what willpower is making a 115 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:39.399 conscious choice on something and then following through with it with continuous, relentless action 116 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.840 until your ideal is achieved, until the goal is reached. And so like 117 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.080 things look at first, look at like things that break down your will? 118 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.879 What ways are you making choices in your life and going against that choice? 119 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.960 And it can be something simple hit the snooze button. That's a big one 120 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.840 that a lot of people do that breaks down your will. I made a 121 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.000 choice to get up at six am, but I hit this news three times 122 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.440 and got up at six thirty. So so let me just instead make a 123 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.840 con That's a small shift you can do. Okay, let me make a 124 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:13.200 conscious choice and really actually get up out of bed at six or set my 125 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.919 alarm for six thirty and then get up at six thirty. You can do 126 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.679 small things like just say out loud what you're gonna do before you go to 127 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.000 do it. I will go brush my teeth. Let's just go brush. 128 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.600 I will do these dishes. I will clock in the doughnut. Yeah, 129 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.960 I will eat the doughnut. That works. But if but how if you've 130 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:39.000 already previously said I will eat better, then that's then going against that major 131 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.799 choice in your mind. So that's some small things. But here's one exercise 132 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.840 that I would an actual exercise like the candle flame, which is also a 133 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.919 huge exercise for getting in control of your ego and mastering your ego and making 134 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.039 it your slave versus you being a slave to it. And I love this 135 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.080 exercise. I got this from Stuart Wilde. He has a book which I 136 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.200 listened to it on audio tape on YouTube at least once a year called The 137 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.559 Little Money Bible, and it's he would do it with rocks in his backyard. 138 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.120 But I just tell people, get a dollar's worth of pennies or nickels 139 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.639 or whatever, and put get two bowls. You can put them on one 140 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.519 side of your house and one one bowl on the other side, and put 141 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.120 all the pennies into one bowl, and every single morning before you get your 142 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.879 day started, or every night, last thing you do before you go to 143 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.440 bed, just walk back and forth and take one penny out of one bowl 144 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.000 and walk all the way to the side and put it in the empty bowl. 145 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.039 And then just keep going back and forth picking up a penny and placing 146 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.120 it down, picking up a penny and placing it down, and you will 147 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:43.559 you will come across a lot of battles with your ego along the way, 148 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.759 and that of what am I doing? Why am I doing this? What? 149 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.480 You look silly like? There's nobody in here. You still look silly? 150 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.919 So are you doing all the pennies one day? Or one penny a 151 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.240 day? Yeah? No, all the pennies, all the pennies in one 152 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:05.080 day's do that is ouse? How the weird stairs? Our house has so 153 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.519 many weird stairs. So you don't have to do one hundred. Maybe start 154 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.960 out with fifty. Start out with something small. If it seems extreme or 155 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:13.720 seems too much for you, take it, take it easy on yourself. 156 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.639 A lot of people when they jump into things, they're like they take it 157 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.320 real hard on themselves. With people with meditation all the time, I can't 158 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.440 do it. I can't meditate. Well, how long are you meditating? 159 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.639 I'm trying to meditate for twenty minutes a day? Okay, Well start with 160 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.960 five maybe you'll get a little more success. Start start with twenty pennies if 161 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.879 that's easier for you. So, how does this help you increase your willpower? 162 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.799 What is the end result? You said, it's like a humbling thing. 163 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.639 But what how does what are the mechanics? How does that work? 164 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.200 Yeah, well, it just helps to create. It helps Your mind is 165 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.440 meant to be programmed, So it's starting to program your mind to listen to 166 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.960 your direction, whatever whatever, regardless of any like cues from your body that 167 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.360 you're getting, regardless of any cues from your ego that you're getting, regardless 168 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.519 of any other cue use from any other programs that have been installed within your 169 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.720 mind that you're getting. It's it'll come up, especially if you do this 170 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.639 every day for you know, ninety days, the stuff will come up. 171 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.759 After you do it for thirty days, then you'll start to battle like, 172 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.679 oh, I don't need to do it anymore. I've seen results. I'm 173 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.720 getting better with my willpower. And then you stop doing it, and then 174 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.519 it slowly fades off, or unless unless you find some other kind of exercise 175 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.600 to help build it up. But when it wouldn't be that the time to 176 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.320 tell yourself, when you're about to say, Okay, I can stop now 177 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.120 because I got success, is not the time to actually continue to push yourself 178 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.639 through. Yeah, exactly it, I'm getting it. I'm getting it, 179 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.840 or at the very least transition it to a different exercise. So then maybe 180 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.519 now you are ready to carry it forward to Okay, now it's the gym 181 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.720 instead of these pennies. Let me do the gym every morning and replace these 182 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.440 pennies with the gym. Or now I can start with this eating habits and 183 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.519 things and make some shifts in my life with it. And I think I'm 184 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:56.360 going to try that, but I don't think I'm gonna do the gym thing. 185 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:03.080 Something else to do the pennies. I'll go with you. I need 186 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:07.840 to go to the gym. Well we all do, all right? All 187 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.159 right, Well that's that's super helpful. Thank you. That goes a long 188 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.200 way. So let's shift gears in and talk about that dreaded e word that 189 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.879 everybody is so you hear it from both sides, right, this they say 190 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.120 the ego is something you're supposed to kill, and other folks are saying, 191 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.320 the ego is definitely absolutely not something you're supposed to kill it. It's actually 192 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.240 something you're supposed to come to terms with, understand and embrace and move forward 193 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:37.120 with. What's your take on that? Yeah, I would pose a question 194 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.399 anyone who says that the ego is there to kill, or that they have 195 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:45.840 said that they have killed their ego, I would ask them a question about 196 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.679 their relationship with their ego six months from then and see, because as long 197 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.919 as you have a conscious mind, the ego is going to be there. 198 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.000 There is, there is no destroying it when you do people do now, 199 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.480 people do have very real experiences of you know, killing their ego. But 200 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.559 death in the universal languge of the mind is all about transformation. So it's 201 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.279 not that the ego ceases to exist, but that form and that shape and 202 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.039 that relationship that they had with their ego is completely transformed. And then that's 203 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.399 why I said wait six months, because a new relationship is building and it'll 204 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.480 come it'll come out. So, oh, I realize I'm the person who's 205 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.240 out here saying there is no ego there is no ego. I've killed it 206 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.799 and then now that's my ego. That's because ego is just your identity. 207 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.840 It's how you identify. I was going to back it up and ask what 208 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.840 is what is an ego for you? Like, what how can you recognize 209 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.639 it? Yeah, well, it's just how you identify. The ego is 210 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.559 it's it's your motivating factor, it's your motivating force. It's what motivates us 211 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.519 to do things. How I want to be seen by others, how I 212 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.600 want to be seen in this world, the type of person that I want 213 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.440 to be seen as, the way I want to be identified. All of 214 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:05.519 those things motivate us in our actions and choices and what we what we want 215 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.919 to do, who we want to talk to, who we want to have 216 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:09.279 a relationship, where we want to be, where we want to live. 217 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.360 It shapes and motivates all of those choices and decisions, and so when you 218 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:22.440 understand that relationship, then it's a lot easier to identify moments when your ego's 219 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.720 more in control, because that's really that's really the main thing is Like people, 220 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:30.559 it's not that they have to kill their ego, they just have to 221 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.200 learn how to master their ego. Instead of the ego being a master of 222 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.039 them and being in control of their decisions, you won't be able to ever 223 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:43.039 do this. Oh I'll show you. Yeah, I hear that very clearly 224 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.919 every day. Well, it's so interesting because we think of the we think 225 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.240 of the ego as like a negative thing. But you know, if you 226 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.279 believe in the whole soul contract, then you chose your life that you're living 227 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.639 right now, which involves that ego. So you chose that ego to go 228 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.919 through this experience to learn some things. So essentially, your ego is your 229 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:07.240 teacher. Hold up, hold up, hold up? Since when do you 230 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.879 believe in soul contracts? I didn't say that. I said if you said 231 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:19.600 if I believe, I don't tell you everything. Okay. I thought that 232 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.720 was a pretty good question. It was a great question that just surprised it 233 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:29.320 came from you. I don't even know how to just because you don't believe, 234 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.279 you've said many times, and so you don't know about soul contracts. 235 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:33.679 You have a hard time about soul contracts. Okay, Well, let's ask 236 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.600 the expert. What do you think contract? Well, this is a good 237 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.879 this is a good question because you guys use two words a lot, and 238 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.399 I always like to bring this up. You talked about what you believe, 239 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.919 and you talk about what you know. And she said, I don't know. 240 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.919 If I didn't say I believed it, I don't know. And so 241 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.480 that's a very big distinction that a lot of us need to really pay attention 242 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:57.879 to. Well, not I mean you guys, anybody can do what they 243 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:03.840 want, but I need to really pay attention to is making a clear distinction 244 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.200 in my mind on what I actually believe, what is a belief, and 245 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.319 what do I actually know? So I always say all the time, don't 246 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.799 believe a word you hear me say on about this whole podcast, not a 247 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:18.599 single one. But instead find ways to incorporate different concepts into your own life, 248 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.079 to create experiences for yourself so that you can know what's true and what's 249 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:27.559 not, because experience is that difference maker between belief and knowledge. And as 250 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:32.880 far as soul contracts, yeah, I have one hundred percent belief in soul 251 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.039 contracts, but not necessarily like a contract with AT and T for my cell 252 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.200 phone bill and I'm signing at the dotted line six different places, but just 253 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.079 agreements. Yeah, Like I married my wife me and her made a commitment 254 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.960 in this lifetime. There's other commitments that I have made with different people within 255 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.839 my soul group before this lifetime. Okay, I will am probably one with 256 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.000 her. Hey, I'll find you, you find me. We have a 257 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:00.119 lot of learning to do together, and let's help each other out with it. 258 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:06.160 It's just agreements. So that's that's maybe a better way for people to 259 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:10.839 receive and understand a more accurate picture of the of the relationship or of the 260 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:17.400 of that versus like soul contracts. Feeling like you're bound to something no matter 261 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:21.599 what. Right. But but yeah, the ego is it is new every 262 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:26.880 single lifetime, and so it is formed from how your conscious mind was shaped, 263 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.279 the environment that you grew up in the family, the school, the 264 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.599 other television programs and music you listen to and things, and so your ego 265 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.200 is shaped by that. But yeah, it's it's not bad at all. 266 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.920 Like in the Holy Bible, the ego is represented by the snake in the 267 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:47.519 beginning, it evolves into Satan or the devil, and then it also evolves 268 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:51.359 into the dragon. And so one of the key points that I like to 269 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.279 point out with the ego in the Bible is like with Jesus. He before 270 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:00.000 he got crucified, he was like meditating for forty days, and the devil 271 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.839 came and tented him and was like, hey, look at all this stuff 272 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.160 that's yours. We can rule it together. And Jesus could have saved us 273 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:08.039 all some trouble if all of that's true, and just killed the devil, 274 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.720 got rid of all the evil. And he didn't even have to get on 275 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.440 the cross. We're done, We're all good. No, but he did. 276 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.960 He didn't tell him to leave, you know, he didn't even say 277 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:18.519 get out of here. Man, I'm doing something. I'm busy, I'm 278 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.440 trying. I got something going on. Don't you know what's about to happen. 279 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.079 I gotta get my stuff together. I gotta get prepared for this. 280 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.000 All he said was get behind me, Satan. And that's because Satan represents 281 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.559 the ego, and it needs to be in the back, pushing us forward 282 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.039 and motivating with us out front, in the lead. And so we have 283 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:42.680 to learn how to be in control of the ego and motivate ourselves whenever we 284 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:48.720 have an ego reaction instead of just reacting to it. Take having a still 285 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.440 mind to be able to properly respond in a proper way and make more of 286 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:57.559 a conscious choice on how we're going to move about through whatever came up with 287 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.079 that ego reaction. So when somebody says, oh, you can't do this, 288 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.119 I can then stop and make a choice and decide whether it is something 289 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.039 or not, like when I was. It makes me think of when I 290 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:11.200 was younger. I was a knucklehead. I'm a tourist bull. So before 291 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.720 I started meditating everything, I was very confrontational and things. So so I'd 292 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.319 be like, oh, you're a bee. I don't know what we can 293 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.319 say on here. But I would ego be like, man to rock, 294 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.200 you're a bitch, and I'd be like, oh, you're going to prove 295 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.000 that to me right now. I didn't. I didn't consciously choose to get 296 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.880 into an altercation with this person, but my ego reared its head and said 297 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.680 you're gonna do this. You need to respond to this, Whereas now I 298 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.319 would probably just laugh at it. I know who I am. I don't 299 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:44.960 care what you think. Right right, Well, that's all well and good, 300 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.839 but now we need to turn to the expert, and now we know 301 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.559 we got to get the ego behind us. How how do you do that? 302 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:56.960 Because man, just you, we think we got it beaten, this 303 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.559 behind us, and also you turn around and go, what how'd you get 304 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.720 here? Right? The ego is always in front of us for some reason. 305 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:06.720 We got to figure out how does how do you maintain that focus to 306 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:11.839 keep it in check. It's a constant relationship. It's a constant relationship that 307 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.000 you have to because it's always evolving. The more that you evolve with it, 308 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.039 the more it will evolve. The more work that you do. I'll 309 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:25.200 I practiced a lot of concentration and will power and meditation. I'm lucid dreaming 310 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:30.200 now and working through things and changing things within myself through my dreams. And 311 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.599 now I'm I'm trakou Day, this metaphysical master, and I'm on this podcast. 312 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.400 And so now I've killed off my ego and now I have no ego 313 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:44.839 to deal with. It's just me. I'm so supreme and superior. But 314 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.160 now there's the new relationship with the ego. That's my new identity. So 315 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.119 now I have a new So it's just constant work. And the main thing 316 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:57.319 that I would suggest is just awareness and observation, which will come through more 317 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:03.039 concentration having more awareness of your thoughts, understanding the mechanics of your thoughts, 318 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.640 the mechanics of your mind, how a thought comes into your mind, the 319 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:11.039 difference between a conscious thought, a subconscious thought, an intuitive thought, and 320 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.880 the difference between an a thought from the ego. And so the more attention 321 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.319 that you can place on these things, then the easier it is to identify 322 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.519 when it is an ego thought, when it is an ego reaction popping up 323 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.039 in your mind, so that you can then take it. Okay, hold 324 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.680 on, whatever I end up doing, let me at least take a minute. 325 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:30.279 This guy's confronting me, if I sock him in the face, let 326 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.759 me at least make a choice about it first, before it is four buddies 327 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:41.480 walk around the corner, right yeah, yeah, yeah. So and with 328 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.559 practice building, that's that's where the purpose of building these different skills comes in 329 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:51.680 because then it allows you it to be easier when these different ego reactions come 330 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:56.160 up, when these different difficulties in life come up and you have to then 331 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:00.480 respond to things, then your ability to respond your responsibility. And so that's 332 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.799 that's what I would say, is how you do it, because it's going 333 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:07.759 to be different as the relationship evolves, and so if early on you're going 334 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.799 to have it may be stronger as the ego start. Because the dragon and 335 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.839 all dragon movies, that's talking about the ego and the relationship with the ego. 336 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.799 But the dragon never is always there to help some feeble little kid, 337 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.599 but it never destroys them, but it's always there to help, willing to 338 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.079 help them for some reason. And so as the relationship gets stronger, then 339 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.920 it's easier to tell the ego what to do, it's easier to motivate. 340 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.880 You understand how the ego works, and so it's easier to set up your 341 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:40.359 life to where one thing that I always do is I have multiple goals to 342 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:42.240 where as soon as I do reach a goal, I already have five more 343 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:47.599 that I've been working at and working on to where once it's all it's there, 344 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.680 it's a celebration. Okay, great, but I still have a lot 345 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:55.240 of things going on and so and so that's one thing where you can understand 346 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.759 how the ego works and understand how to navigate and avoid certain certain ego reactions 347 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.920 at different times. That's awesome. I would imagine that sometimes you might need 348 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.480 an ego reaction like when you're in the hall with those guys and there's four 349 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:14.559 around the corner and you're like, oh, I should be kind of damn 350 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.400 like I could take them. That's what I mean. I mean, if 351 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:19.519 you have, if you're in the dead end, you got to do something. 352 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.400 Yeah, well you know what, I'm sure Lebron James or Michael Jordan 353 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.200 or Tom Brady would have never achieved what they did if they didn't have those 354 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:32.279 egos would be known as the greatest. That's how I want to identify Tom 355 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.839 Brady wouln't have played until he was forty four. I still think he's coming 356 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:41.079 back too. But he like Jimmy Crickett, Yeah, yeah, a little 357 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.839 cage Jimmy Cricket becomes like some giant thing on your shoulder after a while, 358 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.839 that ego, I mean, it's actual Jimmy Crickett. Really I missed that 359 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:56.599 part of the story I was taking back to I was like, when did 360 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:02.319 he go? What happened? That? It's a metaphor. People come on 361 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:07.640 metaphor, but you know, I actually I think I figured out a way 362 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.279 to keep your ego in check. Every time I get myself up and again, 363 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.119 and all of a sudden get all my ego. I know I've got 364 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:18.759 the sure fire away to keep it in check. I got married. I 365 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.039 got married that, but I'm go need to go defend myself. So we're 366 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.319 gonna take a quick break, and when we come back, we just literally 367 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.759 just scratching the surface, not even scratching the surface with the wisdom that you've 368 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.599 got to share with us. When we come back, we're going to talk 369 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.000 much deeper. We're gonna talk karma, We're gonna talk about spiritual enlightenment. 370 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:44.480 We're going to talk about the past that how can we balance materialisticness with spirituality, 371 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.880 all this kind of stuff when we come back right after these messages don't 372 00:25:47.880 --> 00:26:03.599 go away. Hey, there one more five story of you to share with 373 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.480 you. This time is from Kate from Iowa, and she left us a 374 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.119 five star, the subject of which was your show is magical. 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We're talking to Taraku Day who is a spiritual mentor, 397 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:47.559 and he is helping us dive deeply into some of these metaphysical concepts because 398 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.880 what he does is he actually helps people to come to terms with spirituality with 399 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.240 ancient metaphysical techniques but applied in a new modern way. So it's been in 400 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:02.839 a really exciting conversation because you give us like actual practical tips on how to 401 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.680 strengthen these these things, these practices that we all need. I love that 402 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.359 too, because now these people can now these people now are lovely listeners, 403 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:25.799 can hear these people help, These people are amazing listeners, can actually take 404 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.920 these these tips, these exercises and apply them to their own life. Instead 405 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:30.759 of thinking, well that would be nice, but I can't do that. 406 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.319 Now they can't. I was thinking more about my I can put it. 407 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.759 I'm just thinking about you too. I love our audience, but yeah, 408 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.559 I mean I'm selfish these I we talk to these people for us, and 409 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.799 it's cool that you're coming along for the ride. But this is this is 410 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.839 a pure selfish reason we were doing these things. But we can here, 411 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.119 we need help. We too. We just talked about the ego. Did 412 00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:02.519 we front and center? Maybe? Okay? All right now. One question 413 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:07.319 that we tackled before the before we went to break and it's something that I've 414 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:12.400 been really struggling with for three years now, maybe more, and that is 415 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:19.559 maintaining that spiritual track, the spiritual path while you're stuck in this three D 416 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.400 world. Right we are in the in the throes of creating a new platform, 417 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:30.240 a new venture for us, and it has taken so much of us 418 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:37.079 into this thing to get it going. That is difficult to keep your thoughts, 419 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.480 keep that that eye on the ball right. And I thought it would 420 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.880 be just like riding the bike, like the same thing I could. I 421 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.359 had gotten into meditation, and I remember at the airport just dropping in and 422 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.880 there's chaos and everything that I had my moment. But now I'm like, 423 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.839 I'm sitting in total stillness and I'm struggling. Yeah, it's not like riding 424 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.440 a bike. Yeah, we're having a hard time sleeping because we're dreaming about 425 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.839 the stuff we're doing. We can't admits our brains are not stopping. How 426 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:10.200 someone balance spiritual attainment and materialistic pursuits in your estimation, well by incorporating it 427 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.519 into their life. That's the number one thing that I would suggest. So 428 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:18.519 try this into what you just said. Describe to me what your meditation practice 429 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:26.319 looks like. Just run through that. I stare into a candle flame and 430 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.200 I was like, oh, okay, but I am going to try that 431 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.480 though. That's really cool. That's a really good idea. So I'm a 432 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.119 Gemini, right, So I can't do one single meditation ever because I get 433 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.240 super bored. Right, So one day it'll be a silent meditation, another 434 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.079 day will be meditation music. Another day will be binar ro beats, another 435 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.240 day will be a guided meditation. They're all different. I've tried mantras, 436 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.759 and mantras do nothing for me like I And not only do they do nothing 437 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.799 for me, but they stop me from dropping in because I'm constantly I gotta 438 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.039 focus, I gotta focus, I gotta focus on that that doesn't doesn't allow 439 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.880 me to in, which is weird because everyone loves like change and double meditation. 440 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.000 Everyone's like swears by it, but it don't work for me. So 441 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.880 if if if we don't get back to it at the very afterwards, I'll 442 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.440 I'll at least at the very least email you something on mantras that will completely 443 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.079 elevate that for you. All right, deal, thank you, that's all. 444 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.039 Or if we get around to it in this in this conversation, even 445 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.359 better, Okay, yeah it would be. And then what about what about 446 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.440 you? What's your meditation practice lately? It doesn't look like much it was. 447 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.680 I mean, just whenever you do, like just well, usually we 448 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.440 meditate together, and but we have pretty different styles. So sometimes I'll listen 449 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.319 to guided meditations, but to me, I'm like, just stop talking because 450 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.880 it distracts me. So what works better for me is just like certain music 451 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.039 can help. But yeah, and then once once that's over and you open 452 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.079 your eyes, then what do you do? Well, if it's if I'm 453 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.359 like really in it, It'll take me a while to open my eyes because 454 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.119 then I start seeing the colors going on in my head and then I don't 455 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.839 want to leave. But then I'm like, I got gotta go to work. 456 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.960 So it's just basically get up, take a moment, and then just 457 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.480 go back to the regular stuff. And that's a great question. Truk because 458 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.200 because those moments when I do drop in and it's been a great meditation and 459 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.880 I get up out of it within twelve seconds, I am it's all like 460 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.000 I could never I didn't meditate at all, because it just because you try 461 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.880 to take it fourth into the world, into your life as you go, 462 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.480 but in that voice, in that way you talk to with the hand move 463 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:36.880 only way to get it there, right, So it's hard to maintain that 464 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.319 that mindset right when the emails start coming in, the phone starts ringing, 465 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:45.039 and then that's immedia for us right away. So well, so one thing 466 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.720 that I've I've learned and then I've created thousands of experiences of us. So 467 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.440 now I know it is that from what you two describe, I will say 468 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:59.720 that from your own words, you only meditate for either a moment or twelve 469 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.759 seconds, because meditation is not an activity, and meditation isn't like something to 470 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:10.599 do. Meditation is a state of being a resonance, and so your meditation 471 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.559 doesn't ever begin until you until you open your eyes. Then all the whole 472 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.519 activity is to put us into that state. So that feeling that you feel 473 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.400 at the end of the meditation that is when you are meditating, and so 474 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:30.279 the the key there is to then see how long use your willpower, to 475 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.000 see how long and how far into your day you can stretch that out. 476 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:43.480 We really suck at it, But I mean, have you ever actively like 477 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.319 tried to do that. I thought the meditation was when you're there and you're 478 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.559 like, you're relaxing and you're just like feeling the breeze, and I didn't 479 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.720 realize it was Well, but what does that do for you? Because when 480 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.519 you're in the airport and everything's going on, and you're getting a phone call 481 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.960 and an email and there's lady at the counters asking you stuff, I mean 482 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.680 what and you're now scattered? But what good does the meditation earlier that morning 483 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.480 do for you in that moment? Now, yeah, you can get really 484 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.199 good at carrying it forward. Okay, I made it to the kitchen table 485 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.519 today. Okay, I was able to maintain a piece of that all the 486 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.880 way standing up. Okay. Now I made it to the front door. 487 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.639 Okay, I made it to the car. Here I am three months later, 488 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.000 and I can actually make it on a whole trip and actually have a 489 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:31.880 conversation with someone before it fades away and so just practice and that's really living 490 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:40.280 meditatively right. How how realistic is that? I mean? Because when I 491 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:44.599 when I when I okay, when I thought was meditations right, when I 492 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.800 was when I'm like, oh, like I am like zen master will right, 493 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.679 I'm deeply in this thing. I come out and if I'm in the 494 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.840 world, people are going to be like, what is wrong with this guy? 495 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.719 Who's this guy? This weird? Yeah? What I would suggest for 496 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:07.440 you will, especially with the Gemini nature, is see which of those techniques 497 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.039 do work the best, and then of those see why they work. And 498 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.159 next time you do practice that and you know you're practicing one that really does 499 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.800 get you there, then just observe and watch the mechanics of your mind and 500 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:27.000 how you get into that state. So because then you can find other ways 501 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:34.280 that isn't so walking through the grocery store all you know, do you know 502 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:45.000 where the are? You see? That is hilarious? Okay, So here's 503 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.440 the problem for Gemini mind. Like me, something's in the really gang bust 504 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.880 one day. The next day it works not at all. It's terrible because 505 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.440 my mind, my geminine flips and it's like, oh nope, this is 506 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.800 Gemini. This is a twin that doesn't go down with this. That's the 507 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.920 problem with me. Maybe you're just setting your ways. Maybe you think that 508 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.960 that's what's happening, so you let it happen. I'm absolutely not setting my 509 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.800 way, absolutely well. The Gemini is the radio thinker. If they can 510 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:16.440 master that or distract it, and so the that that trataca candle exercise will 511 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.679 transform your life if you stick with it, if you stick away with it 512 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.559 for ninety days, I'm certain that you'll notice. But I guarantee she'll notice, 513 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.480 and it will have enough especially for because a Gemini, I mean, 514 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.760 our our astrological influences are just that, their influences, So they don't control 515 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.800 our life. They don't command our life, but they are strong influences, 516 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.360 like the wind in a sail. The wind's blow in one way, but 517 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.480 I can still master it and maneuver and go anywhere on the ocean if I 518 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:55.599 knew how to do that, or I might keep part of that. Yeah, 519 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:04.000 yeah, but for you, the lifelong learning for most Geminis is concentration. 520 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.679 That's like the main lesson in life. Like for tauruses, it's very 521 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:14.559 much self. Value for cancers is more like strength and having their own inner 522 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.840 strength because they need the shell because it's so sensitive out in the world. 523 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:27.320 But having that inner a surety versus having the outer world influence so much. 524 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:35.159 That is spot on. I'm married to a cancer my wife. I knew 525 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.079 it was either that one. It was either that or you need to love 526 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:47.119 a Gemini that one of the other. Between which one. Yeah. But 527 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.559 so what I'm saying is it's not absolute, you know. So it's it's 528 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.320 something that you have designed to want to be influenced in a way to push 529 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.159 you to learn these things, to learn how to control your attention so that 530 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.960 it can then go from scattered attention to more radial thinking. You can see 531 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:14.719 things from many different perspectives very rapidly, versus being distracted by many different things 532 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:20.440 very rapidly. And so another thing in regards to what you were asking is 533 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.800 I don't really teach. I do have a still mind meditation where you sit 534 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.800 down and steal your mind, but a lot of the meditations I teach are 535 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:32.480 more like active meditations and finding ways to live meditatively. And so one thing 536 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.519 that you can do is work with the breath. I'm sure you all have 537 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.440 learned plenty of breathing exercises, and so that's one simple thing that we all 538 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.639 already do that we can do at any moment, no matter where we're at, 539 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.440 that will help us to get into a meditative state like the long breath. 540 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:54.039 The long breath is amazing because scientifically, no negative emotion can remain if 541 00:38:54.079 --> 00:39:01.639 you're breathing the long breath, which is just long, slow. The breaths 542 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:09.960 breathing deeper and deeper, longer and longer, slower and slower. I mean, 543 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.480 if it's a very intense emotion, it may take five minutes breathing like 544 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:19.360 that start to alleviate it. But you can alleviate any emotion, and that 545 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:23.079 can really help you get more centered. When you're in the middle of the 546 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.760 airport or in the middle of the grocery store and without really causing a scene 547 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:35.320 or anything having people wonder what you're doing. You had me meditating right there 548 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.280 where you were doing that longer, longer. I was like, ooh, 549 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.480 I'm in, I'm dropped in, I'm in, I'm nothing else. Remember 550 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.400 when you were So when we were going through COVID and he was really having 551 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.400 a lot of anxiety, we started making bread together. And when you would 552 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.679 need that bread, you were just like I would. I think you should 553 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.239 make more. Oh wow, that's hilarious because earlier when you were describing things 554 00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.320 before, right, I instead shifted into like a Gemini that But I wanted 555 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:07.280 to ask, what's an activity that you do where you feel very centered and 556 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.880 just not really engross but just every sense of your being, not just site, 557 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.360 is fully connected with what you're doing. When I'm interviewing someone for a 558 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.840 podcast. Yeah, well that's a good active meditation, so in those moments. 559 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.960 But like the needing of the bread is probably a good one because it 560 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.000 can free up your mind enough to observe, whereas in here you're mostly observing 561 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.920 the conversation and seeing how to navigate and interact with that. Where needing the 562 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.239 bread you can observe your mind and watch how you get into that state to 563 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.599 where you can slowly over time, I mean it does take time. It's 564 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.599 not like all of these things that I'm sharing to people is just gonna be 565 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.559 a magic pill and eradicate things. But over years you'll get into a practice 566 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.719 where you can just put yourself in that state without any activity. Right. 567 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:58.599 It's actually interesting because there are two things that they've recognized that gets me there, 568 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.400 and one of the woman never expected it to be. First the adult 569 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:07.599 coloring books. When I'm when I'm coloring, I when I drop in my 570 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.559 zone, I mean I really enjoy it, and I never do it. 571 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.639 I need to get invested in a few of them. But then the one 572 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:19.000 thing I actually found it through COVID when when we got those lego things for 573 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.400 Siena, and I was the one putting them together. The act of putting 574 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:28.280 these things together, following the step by stepped instructions, I'm putting the iron 575 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.079 Man head together and things like that. That was really really cool and I 576 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.679 didn't even think about that just now. Yeah, maybe you should replace your 577 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.519 mantras with the legos. And I always say that I think I was probably 578 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.039 a factory work in a past life because any little things I do with my 579 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.039 hands, whether if you have a bunch of chains and they get k nodded 580 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.360 together that or I love to cook and just chopping doing that, or cooking 581 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.199 those color books with all those little spaces that stressful, Like those could be 582 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.320 anxiety. Like I could do big colors and spaces, but like the little 583 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.639 ones in my class, a lot of work. No, I like if 584 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:06.679 I'm like and doing stuff that's just like nice nice, Right, Yeah, 585 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.960 there's observe different things in your life where you already are naturally getting into a 586 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.719 meditative state. Yeah right. You are fascinating to me because you are, 587 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:23.199 I mean truly you, You're you're talking, You're giving specific ways for people 588 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.679 to do certain things, and that's that's that's exactly what we look for on 589 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.480 a daily basis. I'm really curious, how did you You don't you don't 590 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.840 look like you're that old. You look like a very young man. How 591 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.480 did you gain all this wisdom? How did you come across all these things? 592 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.159 You said you were a knucklehead? How did you go from knucklehead into 593 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.079 willpower? Lots of will power? Actually too, I'm actually two hundred and 594 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:54.639 twenty eight. I was born in sixteen not yeah, no, I'm not. 595 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.079 I'm not even for the Egyptian deity behind you. So I can see 596 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:05.639 how although immortality is a subject that fascinates me, but I just lots of 597 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:12.320 So how it really came about was what I was going to school. I 598 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.360 was like twenty five, twenty six years old, so pretty much I was 599 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.679 about to get into my solo return. Yeah. I was like twenty six. 600 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.000 I went back to college. I was going to school. I had 601 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.639 two jobs, and there was suddenly a day where I didn't have any job 602 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.000 to go to or any class to go to. It was like first time 603 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.800 in like four months, and I thought of all these When I woke up 604 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.880 and realized that, I was like, wait, what do I have? 605 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.400 All these things I wanted to do? And then next thing, I know, 606 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.440 the sun's going down outside of my window and I never really even got 607 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.559 off the couch, and I was like, man, I have no energy. 608 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.159 I needed to learn about energy. And I remember my dad used to 609 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.159 teach me about Chi taichi when I was a little kid. My parents said 610 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.039 pray when I was eight, So most our relationships since then was mostly like 611 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.159 over the phone and talking a lot. So I called him up and I 612 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.840 asked him. I was like, man, I want to learn more about 613 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.320 chi and energy, and he said he gave me. He pretty much just 614 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.000 said, okay, go look up Chi gong and then see what you find 615 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.039 and then come back to me. And so it went to like four in 616 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.559 the morning that night. I was like googling because it was a desktop computer. 617 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.880 Our smartphones weren't really that smart at the time, and I was like 618 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.239 just looking into chigong and then that came to chakras, and then I was 619 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.079 just learning and then and then it just unfolded like that. From then on, 620 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.239 I met some lady who gave me this book on hand chakras, and 621 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.079 that was only like one chapter of this book, and I only saw I 622 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.800 never saw that lady again. It was just really weird. I don't even 623 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.559 I don't even remember who she was or anything. I just remember the lady 624 00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:44.760 gave me this book and I learned about hand chakras and how to heal yourself. 625 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.079 And at the time, I had this serious heart issue going on for 626 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.039 like the last two years, the serious like growth on the back of my 627 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:51.599 head. I didn't know what it was, but it was getting bigger and 628 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:52.760 bigger every day, until the size of a nickel. So I was like, 629 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.039 Okay, if these hand chokras are really a thing, let's put it 630 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.880 to the practice and find out. And so I did, and I did 631 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:00.280 the technique that it said, and third days later I didn't even do anything 632 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.800 with the heart. But you have to open your heart to be able to 633 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.119 open your healing energy and so I just wanted to get the growth on my 634 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.119 head because I was really concerned about that. But both within thirty days. 635 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.239 I've never had a symptom since that was over a decade ago, and so 636 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.280 then it was like at that point, like I was kind of serious. 637 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:20.639 But at that point, it was like nothing else in my life matters anymore 638 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:25.280 except for understanding this. And so I sold my TV because I didn't use 639 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.079 it anymore except to watch like videos, like YouTube videos and things. I 640 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.519 would buy a book. I remember going to a bookstore and I looked at 641 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.920 every single book in the metaphysics and spirituality section, and I only came away 642 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.440 with two. One I didn't even end up reading. I think it was 643 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.440 The Four Agreements, which a lot of people read. I got five pages 644 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.360 into it, and I'm like, no, I want like serious stuff more 645 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:52.480 than yeah, I need the other book. Yeah, actually the other book. 646 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.159 Oh, it's in my bedroom. But it's called The Book of Secrets, 647 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.599 and it is by far my number one recommended book to anybody, is 648 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.519 my favorite book of all time. One hundred and twelve different centering techniques in 649 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.159 there, ancient tantrik techniques. Tantra just means technique so not like that. 650 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.960 A lot of people get it like sex tantra, but those are just sex 651 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.119 specific here not judging. There's only like two of those out of one hundred 652 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.480 and twelve. The rest are like tons of other things outside of the bedroom. 653 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.559 But I mean, you know, I would read something and then that 654 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.679 would inspire me to want to learn about something else, and so I would 655 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.840 go and order a book or something to then read after this. But most 656 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:35.400 the main thing was I was not just reading these things, but I was 657 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.239 putting them to practice immediately, like the handchock or a book. Also, 658 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:43.880 at the last chapter talked about astral projection, and it said, hey, 659 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.760 you can charge a glass of water with your hands and create a positive charge 660 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.519 on there, and then it'll create a positive charge. Your body is negatively 661 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.719 charged and your soul is positively charged. That's how it's so bound together. 662 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.960 And then when you drink the water real fast, then it'll positively charge your 663 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.880 body and help put ship out or out. Wait wait, wait, wait 664 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:09.280 wait he has wanted to astro project for ever. That's the whole this podcast. 665 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.800 Oh you can do it in two weeks. The Book of Secrets, 666 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.119 well, the Book of Secrets, I don't know if that one really. 667 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.880 If you want to astra project, here's a great book for you. Actually, 668 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:30.519 I think that's also in my bedroom. It's by Robert at Dynamics. 669 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean these are books that I've had for 670 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:36.280 a long time. I reread them all the time. But astro Dynamics by 671 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:40.199 Robert Bruce. Read that book. It will, I mean you, it 672 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:44.760 may take a little longer because it does take a lot of concentration and willpower. 673 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.599 So being a Gemini, you're you're kind a little more to get over 674 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.320 and get past. But yeah, I'll tell you. I'll send you a 675 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.079 couple of links to some of my videos and things on the astral projection with 676 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.639 you, and if you have any questions or anything, definitely reach out, 677 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:04.519 no problem. And Karen and so help me if you ask the project before 678 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:12.320 me, I will words. Yeah. But I mean if if she does, 679 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.159 then she may be able to then help also assist you out in getting 680 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:23.800 out right. She's never been interestd no no, no in natural projection and 681 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.880 and and but the same thing, the same thing with the meditation. I 682 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.599 meditated for a long time. She couldn't do could do it. The minute 683 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:38.519 she started boom immediately it's like God, So no, you know that's another 684 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.480 story. Come on, well, also, I mean women are more naturally 685 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.840 receptive. A cancer, whether you're a man or a woman, is more 686 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:52.679 naturally receptive. Men are naturally more aggressive, geminis, whether you're a man 687 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.360 or a woman, is naturally more aggressive, and a lot of these things. 688 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.440 The success is determined by how well you can put yourself off into a 689 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.079 receptive state. So it's no surprise that she can just try a couple of 690 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.079 times in boom, see some success, see some results, and you have 691 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.519 a little bit more work to put in for it. Okay, how was 692 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:17.400 that fair? I don't know your your soul could have could have waited like 693 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.039 three more weeks, and not even that to two more weeks. One all 694 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:27.719 right, so I drink drink of glasswater really fast, and that's going to 695 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.480 make me Yeah. I mean, well that's what the book said. And 696 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:37.079 I didn't like when I because I was coming off of twenty five years of 697 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.159 like strong Christian indoctrination. You know my mom, I mean I've witnessed my 698 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.280 mom like exercising demons, like our whole family is like in the church. 699 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.960 Like when I first got into this. One of my cousins wanted to have 700 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.159 an intervention for me just because it was like not of Jesus the things that 701 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.199 was. But anyways, so when I read that part, I was like, 702 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.519 I don't know about that one. Let me I'll do the hand Chokkras, 703 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.679 but that one I'm put to the side. Like three months later, 704 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.039 I was like, okay, I'm ready for this. I want to have 705 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.079 this experience. And so I did it. It was like two in the 706 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.239 morning, and I charged the water and I drank it really fast, and 707 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.840 I laid down on my couch. I didn't want to lay in my bed, 708 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.880 and maybe five six minutes in, maybe it was ten, I don't 709 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:24.760 know. This was twelve years ago, but my feet started lifting off of 710 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:30.119 the couch. And in that moment, I thought to myself, oh, 711 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.280 I I don't know how to get back. If I want to come back, 712 00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.960 I don't know how to get back. And I read that whole book, 713 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.239 in that whole chapter. I read that chapter twice actually, and it 714 00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.360 doesn't say anything about how to get back. And so then I like jumped 715 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:50.079 up off the couch. I just kept myself awake all night until the water 716 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.440 wore off. You know, I don't know if the water actually works because 717 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.639 I never tried it again. I had other techniques that I've done since then, 718 00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:59.559 but yeah, maybe I should try that water technique again one time. 719 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:01.440 But so it was the name of the book again, the Fresh Projection, 720 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:09.599 Robert Bruce astro dynamics. Astro dynamics, Yeah projection, it's actual dynamics. 721 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:14.639 Yeah. Yeah. So when I came, when I woke up from there, 722 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.599 I was like, I need a teacher. And so the Book of 723 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.199 Secrets written by Oshow was like still the number one book for me. And 724 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.079 I was like, Okay, let me find this guy. I'm sure he 725 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.119 has like an ashrom somewhere. I'm gonna learn from this guy. And it 726 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.960 was like, oh, he died in like ninety six. So then I 727 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:31.639 was like, oh, okay, what do I do. I need to 728 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.840 find a teacher. And then a friend of mine told me about this place 729 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.519 school Metaphysics, and I went there. That's where I learned about dream interpretation. 730 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.920 That's where I learned a lot of discipline in practices and things. And 731 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:47.760 then after that I also learned astral projection there and I had some success with 732 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.880 the techniques that they taught, but it wasn't until four or five years later, 733 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:54.760 after I left and was learning other things, I did the same thing 734 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:58.440 that I did at the bookstore. I went to half price Books this time 735 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:00.880 and I was just driving down the street half Prize Books. I was like, 736 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.280 you know what, just something intuitively just made me pull in. And 737 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.880 I scoured every single book again, and I only came away with one book, 738 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.039 Astrodynamics by Robert Bruce, and I was like, it didn't even really 739 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:13.480 seem that interesting, but I was like, it was the only thing that 740 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.480 kind of piqued my interest, and I went and read it, and the 741 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:21.440 techniques and his whole approach is totally different. It was exactly what I needed, 742 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.159 and it works for tons of people, just because instead of a visual 743 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.480 scent using your visual sense, you're using your sense of feeling and your tactile 744 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.199 sense to actually get out of the body. And then also he really described 745 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.440 the different I call him checkpoints that you have to go through to get out 746 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.559 of your body, which I was already aware of because even before the school 747 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.639 of metaphysics, I was practicing lucid dreaming just on my own and practicing putting 748 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.840 my body to sleep and remaining awake, which is actually one of the techniques. 749 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.159 So I guess, yeah, that's in the Book of Secrets with Osha, 750 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:51.920 that's one of the one hundred and twelve. But he doesn't really the 751 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.760 way he describes it, it's you just have to practice it on your own 752 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:58.840 and discover the technique on your own to have success. But anyways, the 753 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.079 experience that I would have whenever I would have success with the Lucid dreams was 754 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:07.320 described like in very good detail with astro Dynamics and Robert Bruce. Here's this 755 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.079 checkpoint, and here's why it is. Here's this checkpoint, here's why it 756 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.559 is. I'm like, oh, yeah, exactly, I experienced that every 757 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.199 single time. You know, I'd have a sense of what I'm doing, 758 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:20.039 but now it's much more clear and exactly the hurdles I need to overcome and 759 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.679 then through my own And so yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot 760 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.119 of good stuff in that book, definitely, And he's the one who claims 761 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.440 in that book you'll be able to do it in two weeks, and he 762 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.480 talks about different people who do that had a lot of practice. Well before 763 00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.480 that book, I always had a lot of success with that, not not 764 00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.199 necessarily with astral projection up until that point, but lucid dreaming, which is 765 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:44.599 astral projection up until that point. I had a ton of success with that. 766 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.800 So we've heard that when you astro project, it feels more real than 767 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:52.239 real. It's not like you feel like you're imagining, imagining things. It's 768 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.960 actually you're you're truly experiencing things. Is that how you experience it? Oh? 769 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.599 Yeah, well for me. So there's four levels within the subconscious mind. 770 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.880 Not to go too deep, but most of the time when you're dreaming, 771 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.800 if you're dreaming in black and white, you're in the emotional level, 772 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.079 which is the very first level in If you're dreaming in like regular color, 773 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:13.679 which most people's color dreams, are in the lower astral level, and then 774 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.280 the upper astral level is like very vivid, vibrant colors. And whenever I 775 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.280 dream there, that's that's when I wake up, and it was like that 776 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.880 was more real than real life, like life, like everything I look at 777 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.840 seems a little more dull because of what I just experienced and how vivid and 778 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:36.039 more real it felt. But yeah, the astral project because you're out in 779 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:38.199 the dream it's it's not like a dream, it's you're there, experience in 780 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:42.920 it with these astral senses. So if you come back with a strong enough 781 00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.400 memory of it, yeah, it's gonna feel much more real than a regular 782 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.360 dream. You're gonna be like this, there's something to this. There's no 783 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.440 denying it, because there's something to this. We have talked for almost an 784 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:58.239 hour or it's a felt like fifteen minutes. You are fascinating and so much 785 00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.519 fun. Absolutely, I appreciate it. I love that we didn't even get 786 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.719 a chance to talk about structure of the mind. Right, it's your book 787 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:08.159 that you wrote to give us a give us a synopsis of what the book's 788 00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.719 about. Yeah, I mean the book is about pretty much what I'm starting 789 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.559 to talk about, like the four different levels the conscious mind, the subconscous 790 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.199 mind, is superconscious mind. The conscious mind is the mind that your physical 791 00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:21.719 body uses within this physical reality. The subconscious mind is the mind that your 792 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.320 conscious uses, or that your soul uses within the fourth dimension, which is 793 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.280 time. And the super conscious mind is the mind that your spirit uses within 794 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.239 the fifth dimension, which is space. And so it pretty much outlines all 795 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.519 of those things. The purpose of each mind the duty and job that it 796 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:43.519 has the power of each mind and outlines all of the levels within the mind 797 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.639 and really just outlines the structure of your mind. Because if we can understand 798 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:51.320 the mechanics of our mind, then it's a lot easier to understand how our 799 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.679 mind works and have more control over our mind instead of our mind controlling us, 800 00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.320 a lot more understanding of these different spiritual experiences and what is really happening 801 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.440 and how it's happening and why. And so I think that that is that 802 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.000 I wrote this book because I started to write a book on lucid dreaming and 803 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.880 this book was just the first chapter, and so I was like, hold 804 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:15.079 on, and I was realizing every other book that I write is going to 805 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:16.880 want to talk about this and lay it out in the very beginning as a 806 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.639 foundation. So let me just put this out as a book and then just 807 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:23.760 reference it or just make it the first chapter of every book who knows moving 808 00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:28.079 forward. So yeah, I mean, it's it's under because because understanding the 809 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.159 mechanics of it is what's going to help people. And there's also different exercises 810 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:36.000 in here, the candle concentration exercises in here, there's an imagination exercise and 811 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:42.000 a memory exercise to improve your memory. Very cool. You are like the 812 00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:46.920 mentor that I always thought people needed by you actually give practical advice, practical 813 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:51.360 exercises, how to get I mean, do you This has been wonderful if 814 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.079 someone wanted to either buy the book or reach out to you to become a 815 00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:59.519 mentee or to have you help help you guide them through the spiritual journey. 816 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.599 What's best way for someone to reach out to you? Awaken within dot us, 817 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.719 Awaken within dot us, any all of my social medias will lead you 818 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.559 to where you need to go. I have the in order to access the 819 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.280 Mentor Program, you have to join the Metaphysical Mastery Community. And that's free. 820 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:20.000 The Metaphysical Mastery Community is free. Almost the majority of the things that 821 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:23.079 you would think you would get in the Mentor program is free in the Mastery 822 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:29.719 Community. So yeah, yeah it's and so like all the resources, all 823 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:35.480 the techniques, the only thing in the Mentor program is a monthly live stream, 824 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.599 which which will It's like a monthly Q and a to more have be 825 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:45.360 more personable and and interacting and guiding the Mentor mentees. And I'm trying to 826 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.360 get that built up to where it'll be easy to become like weekly and then 827 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:54.760 multi weekly. But also there's different lessons like bi weekly lessons in there and 828 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:59.440 something all the other's like a specific chat just for all the mentees. There's 829 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.679 a chat for everybody else. Also, what is that one for the mensies? 830 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:06.280 So there is, it's more it's more for people who are like they've 831 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.440 already done all of the stuff in the first section, or they or they 832 00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.400 just want more like they're very serious versus just curious and serious, but someone 833 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.599 who's very serious. And the mentor program is only like five bucks a month, 834 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:21.159 so even if you did join that, I mean, you're still so 835 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:25.360 very metaphysical. Mastery is for those who are just testing it, and the 836 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.400 mentorship is for those who have already worked through their willpower issues. Got it 837 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:36.119 understood? Yeah, I guess all right. So this has been wonderful. 838 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:37.599 It has been an absolute pleasure. I know this is not gonna be the 839 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:43.119 first the last time we talked, because I just love our interaction and everything 840 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.280 get you shared with us. So thank you so much for coming on the 841 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.519 show and sharing of your expertise with us. Can't It's been an honor. 842 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.039 Yeah, thank you. The honor has been hours and really can't can't stress 843 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:58.119 enough how cool it's been to talk to you. So if you're listening to 844 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.079 this and you want to reach out to him, all you need to do 845 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.960 is go to Skeptic menephysician dot com go to his episode page. You'll see 846 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.800 the links tract related into the show notes, so it makes it super easy 847 00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:08.559 to be connected. So Trac, once again, thank you so much for 848 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.800 coming on. Yeah, thank you, thank you, and a huge thank 849 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.519 you to you. Yes, you the person that hit play on this episode. 850 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.519 We know that there are tons of options out there, and having you 851 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.639 decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor 852 00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:28.000 for us. If you know someone who would benefit from hearing the message we're 853 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.719 sharing on the show, do them and us a favor and share the show 854 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:35.280 with them. It will help get the word out about us and it might 855 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.000 just change someone's life for the better. Well that's all for now. We 856 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:43.159 will see you on the next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician. Until then, 857 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:44.280 take care,