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driven by Victor Chrysler Dots Je Bram. It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast.
Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on. Thanks for
telling a friend. What a day? Yeah nice, Kevin, so sunny
in my dingy basement. Working from home really works well for you, doesn't
it? Some days? And Angie's back, Hey my back. Oh boys,
So Mother's Days this weekend. That's a big weekend for you, is
it? Do you ever get disappointed on Mother's Day? I have a Mother's
Day? Didn't go like, You're just like sort of sort of sometimes I
like, as my kids have gotten older, I test them. Oh that's
crazy. I test them to see if they even remember. Really, But
my mom is like, she'll she'll text them. I go remembers. Yeah,
they forget Mother's Day, but they hammer Labor Day and all. Right
now, I just, uh, well, wouldn't it be like their dad's
job to tell them to hey, fellas, don't forget. I'm sorry three
boys, right, I have two? Seven is three? But yeah,
no, I'm divorced, so that that sailed a long time. I always
I always say to the boys, don't forget fellas. I told two of
them, I don't forget Sunday, don't forget, don't forget your own this
year, he likes me a little bit, now, who's that the act
as before? He he doesn't hate, could have told me that I die.
Yeah, but now it's a little bit more tolerable. So I don't
know. I don't know, he says. I don't know if he says
anything. I would only say to my guys because it's their mom and remind
them, you know, just does a lot for you. Right. I
may not see eye to eye, but that doesn't mean anything. And I
also don't when they say stuff fellas, that's your mom. No, we're
not doing that. Yeah, and I won't. I don't have any conversations
no matter what. I first of all, I just don't. Everything gets
interpreted through a filter when you say shit, yep, for for anybody.
I don't mean that for an any any human beings. So things are going
to come back. And and the other thing is I always go but that
your might. You gotta have a level of respect here. No matter what
I mean, you're still there's roles and you're the mom and that's it.
So yeah, I was ordering. I was ordering my Mother's Day gift today
from my mother. Yeah. My neighbors like, what do you get for
your wife? She ain't my mother. I do the same things. I
would make sure the boys had something. I'll take care of Brady. Yeah,
you too are old enough. You got enough on your own money.
We'll go to Chipole tomorrow. Say to my son, why do we got
to get her a present this year? One? Can't you because you never
paid me for the Christmas presents I bought your mother this year. Yeah,
at some point, at some point eighteen and fourteen, it's time to grow
up. My older one is good about that, Like he'll go and he'll
buy the cards, or he'll buy the gifts and he'll use his money and
things like that. Yeah, and the little ones getting there, I say,
the little one, Jesus, he's gonna be seventeen. He's he's my
younger one, so he he's there. But you know what I mean,
it's like not top of mind for him to say I will buy it.
Yeah, all the time him, i'd take care of him should a signify.
I don't think a significant other should get the Mother's Day gift. If
you have kids together, you can courage the kids together. But otherwise you
have them, you take the kids out, right if they're little. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't feel like I have
to buy her something for Mother's Day? No, do you guys do that?
I one year I got Kevin a Father's Day gift. But don't be
look at me. He's like laughing. No, it was like when we
were you know, daddy, it's the same shit. No, it was.
There was a there was a back reason for it. Okay, we
were first dating. Yeah, and it was like the first Father's Day that
had come up and he didn't have He's got like the epitome of a guy's
you've been there, yeah, the epitome of a guy's apartment. Right.
Yeah, it's like beige brown, nothing on the walls. Yeah, except
stuff that people have given to him, which is fine, Okay, not
a big deal. It's a big deals. Hold on here, I'm a
woman and I anybody knows who I am. I and Bill has been to
my house as well. You did I decorate? I remodel I do everything.
But at any rate, the thing was he didn't have kids. He
didn't have photos of his kids up. Yeah. So what I did is
I took because he has the three boys, I took pictures and I framed
them of his kids. That's very nice, so that he could put them
up on the wall. Yeah. Did he put them up on the wall.
Yes, all right, all right, yeah, because here did you
No, he did no, he did it. He did it. They
sat here for a year and a half. Yeah, they pretty much did.
They sat there for a while, but it's okay. Seventy one percent
of mothers say they drop hints and conversations to let their partners know what their
Mothers Day, what they want for Mothers Day. Oh yeah, she sent
me to the Amazon list. I'm like an Amazon wish list, a listing
wanted. Yeah, boys, I'm like, talk to your sons. Why
talk to your boys? Wow? Yeah? All right? Sixty seven percent
of them. We'll even create wish lists to make it easier, and you
get a wish list right on Amazon. Right, uh huh yeah, yeah,
no, negative, talk to the boys. You see. I always
think, like I remember when I was a kid. I think I went
away on a band trip or something, and I got my mother a card,
but I got all wrinkled in anything, and I got yelled at for
not giving it to her, and I said I had it, and so
then they didn't believe me. Yeah, my dad and my dad. Yeah,
but you can't buy a Mother's Day card after So I had it,
but it got all wrinkled in my bag. I'm really sorry. He's like
he's got it. It's kind of Let me ask you this question. Am
I cheap if I go to the Dollar store and buy cards? No?
No, absolutely not expensive. I know the cards five dollars. She's just
gonna throw it away. And I think I walked out with a card for
I don't remember. It might have been one of the boys, and it
was like eight or nine bucks. Yeah nothing, No, Yeah, you're
gonna get thrown out in like three days. Put the ten towards the gift
and get her fifty cent card that she doesn't really care about. I agreed.
Do you go to the Hallmark store and they have cards that are like
to shape of like a little square, and they're a dollar dollar, two
bucks or something like that, and they're so cute. They have all these
little sayings. It's a whole bunch of them. Thank you, we can.
It's what you write in there, Kevin to right inside the cards,
right, that's what you got it, Sam Tyler and Brady No. I
used to always tell like young guys, you go find eighties hairband rock lyrics
and you write those in your Valentine's Day card for some young chick who's not
hip skinny bopop bob. Yeah, exactly, and she it's phenomenal. It's
a panty dropper, O my lord. Right, every rose has its thorn.
Yeah, I think, yeah, But I think if you went,
if you went like Foreigner, I want to know what love is. You
know, you just steal specific lyrics from there, right, she's all sixteen.
No, No, you gotta choose carefully. You gotta go through,
put a little bit of time in there. But then you find the lyrics
that fit. You just write them in the card, and you're you are
a hero, a hero, guarantee it. We once she'll remember forever,
and then what will be even funnier is like five or six years later.
So go shit. Tyler wrote that my card, and then you hear in
the song neither you think he's really rich and famous, or you realize he's
stolen from the song. And even that's kind of funny. Huh, No,
I think it works. I think it's a good idea. I think
that's a great idea. Yeah, it's a great idea. If you're like
me, though, you'll know I know that song. You'll know the song.
But who won't would be your son's girlfriend. Yes, that's true,
right, how it's your oldest kid, nineteen nineteen. She's not gonna know,
she will never she'll never know. So she if he wrote her a
song like some not a song, but some lyrics from a eighties ballad that
were just really loving and slid him in there, she's gonna think he's a
Pulitzer Prize panty dropper year my cherry pie, cool drink of water. Oh
god, such a scary pie. But that would be great. Even that
could be kind of funny. It's good, right, Yeah, I think
it would. I think it's a it's a good way to go. Look
for that for the next time, like if she has a birthday coming up,
or if she's graduating. Fellas trying to help you out, say,
yeah, could work out, could work out? What I feel we're gonna
get some card Rogers on the on the voice a voice out at some point
here. Oh we could, we could. You can always call five y
five two or six eighty eight sixty six and uh and do that. I
heard a very interesting story and it was from someone who has a friend whose
husband died recently that last fall, I'll say, but recently within the last
seven months. Um, I think this is just the second marriage, her
first, his second, okay, her first, and he passed away her
first, his second. He was in his fifties. He had got pancreatic
cancer and died. That's horrible. But what somebody found out is they have
a I guess they were together for about eight years, and they have a
five year old than a one year old or three year old, one year
old? Little kids, right, little, all right, that's even worse
of the story, even worse. And then, uh, this person found
out from the sister of the husband that he was having an affair. And
she found out at the funeral. She said to the sister, came up
to her and said, I'm looking for blah blah blah, because if she
shows up, I don't want my sister in law to know that he was
having an affair. Shit, yeah, so he was having So she goes,
so this person knows that her best friend's husband who's dead was having an
affair, okay, and now found out they got a kid. Yep,
they have a kid. And she's saying, does she tell Oh my god,
does she tell her? Not tell? That's the dead The guy's dead.
But you realize how bad it's going to crush. You're lucky to get
figure answer. Did he know about the kid? I don't know. That
would be an interesting question. I don't know that. I don't know.
There's no And by the way, I can't ask, right, yea,
amen? I mean that's it. What do you do if that's your friend?
Do you tell her? Hey, listen, yeah you might, but
not then you gotta sit on that for a while. Or so there's two
there's two, right, So there's two schools of thoughts. You you tell
her, you wait, wait for her to kind of recoup a little bit,
right, or you're just banging out and Happy Mother's Day and hey,
and she just keeps on that ship road for a while. Yeah, that's
a tough one. God, I don't want to be in that position.
See I knew somebody that was uh dating guy, and they like went away
together and they would work out together. Did they played guitar? Go to
Tampa? They did not play guitar and go to Tampa and they would work
out and they would run stairs in like a local hotel. Yes, yeah,
this is I think I remember this. Yes, And they were working
out and he dropped dead. He collapsed and died, Yeah, in really
phenomenal shape. I don't know if he was taking something. I have no
idea. And it turned out that he was married because she calls his best
friend as they're working on him and says, I don't know, I don't
know any of his real medical history or anything. We've only been together for
a few months. And the guy on the other end of the phone's kind
of like yeah, And then it turns out. So then when he died,
found out that he was married and had I think she met. He
told her he had one kid, and then all of a sudden, once
they were in the mall and it turned out they had two kids. I
know somebody that got busted. I always like, why would you just tell
him how many kids you got? That's stupid? Well, were they cheating,
Yes, they were cheating. Yes, And he lied about the number
of kids. And then oh and then he that's not really the thing you
would lie about it. I mean it was about not having the wife.
You don't about not having the kids, right, Yeah, Well he lied
about both, and it was well, this guy was saying, I think
that he was divorced. He also said he was a surgeon, and I
think it turned out, man, his wife was a surgeon and he was
an r nurse. Wow. Yeah, he was digging that hole. Yeah,
but you know he's trying to look good of course. And then it
was you know, she would travel a lot, and he'd have his kids,
he couldn't see her every weekend and all these different things. Wow,
he was working that, working it really well. And I remember my old
man, look at that being going, Man, that's a bit get away
with it away. I don't know, like that's another really well at the
time, you're so sad that the person is dead. And at the same
time, if you could dig him up again, you'd choke him and kill
him, right right, because absolutely all this stuff and now there's another kid
who will never know his father. And the little ones knew the I guess
the I don't know. But now he gets old enough and he's like,
yeah, an asshole, you don't you don't tell the friend? I know
I would. I think I would wait for a little bit. So she
kind of depending on how she was like speriod on that, right, who
the hell knows she was handling things? Well? Maybe yeah, if she's
a hot mess, then nah, well what if she started Usually they're not,
but like if you started dating somebody, if she started dating somebody,
then would you say, hey, by the way, I gotta let you
know, yes, yeah, that she's clearly okay, yeah, right information
absolutely, Yeah, what a fucking asshole. I just I was like,
wow, I mean the shit you found out about people's you know, yeah,
it's uh, it's very interesting. We're a strange species, that is
for sure. Later on we're gonna have uh Steve Circu on from Circu and
Circu to talk about the man Aisa case. Man Oriza was the punt god
with Buffalo and then was cuse of rape a gang rape at a party.
And then they've gone through and proven that he was not even there. He
had left an hour prior to the rape actually happening, didn't mccult sign him.
After the Bills cut him, didn't somebody sign him? I thought,
I don't think so. I think they wouldn't touch him. Yeah, nobody
a while and then and I remember back in February when I was looking this
up today, I sort of remember this. Adam Schefter said he had signed
with a Mexican team, Mexican football team. And he said that his agent
kept saying not true, not true. Now I have no idea, but
this may open things up for him to get going. You can't even make
the CFL football. I was going to say, I didn't even know Mexico.
I had like a team. Canada is like pretty good, they have
a whole. Yeah, I guess there's a Mexican team. And I don't
know if he went to work out with them because he went to San Diego
State. I don't know if that word from and it's close. I have
no idea, but that was the That was the thing Adam Schefter had back
in February, saying that he was signing with a Mexican football team. But
I think this would allow him to get back football or football, Oh no,
it was tackle football. It was the whole. Yeah, just check
it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure because the way they had it, and
they had him as the punt god in everything. Yeah, that was his
saying, the punt god. All right, we will take a moment.
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international games for the twenty twenty three season. We kind of knew this with
Buffalo. We knew who was going, yeah, because we just didn't know
when who were there? Wuying. I think we know all the teams are
going to play, We just don't know when they're going to play them,
right we know? Yeah, we know the teams yea. They know schedule
will be out way, but they don't have the actual specific date. Yea.
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beat the Bills the last time? Was it an EJ manual like through a
couple interceptions in the early of the game. Then rallied back, and then
it was towards late in the game they another interception and they lost. But
now the big thing is the Black Friday Game, and that's gonna be on
Amazon Prime, and that's gonna be uh Miami and the Jets. Yeah,
it's the Dolphins going to Jersey to take on the Jets at three o'clocks.
Would be a good game. Yeah, so I And then Christmas falls on
a Monday this season, and the NFL is gonna have three games, same
as it did in twenty twenty two, but they've only announced one so far.
And what game Giants and Eagles. Oh yeah, I did see that.
Giants and Eagles. Yeah, Giants and Goals. And then Year's Eve.
You've got the Bengals and at the Chiefs. Germany's got the Colton Patriots.
Dolphins and Chiefs play somewhere internationally, The Ravens and Titans play somewhere internationally,
and the Jaguars and Falcons play Week one somewhere and maybe or No.
One of eight I'm sorry, there's eight different international games. Yeah, so
Jaguars are going over twice. It looks like that's a lot. Do they
do they normally do that, don't they only give me twice? It's usually
one? Right? Is there a game in Mexico City too? And I
thought it was only like Germany and England that they always said, usually it's
the Raiders and yeah, somebody there's a game sometimes in Mexico City. And
but there's always so much violence around Mexico City. Yeah that they always worry
about the players. Yeah, all right, and so I don't know why
people want to do that, but uh and we'll have more of the schedule
tomorrow when it actually comes out. Danny says he wants to pick the winners
and losers of the games already tack already yeah, hack, well a lot
of times that's part of the fun of sports. And he says he hates
when people do that. The Oh that's the fun of it. That's what
it is, the Amerks winning, jumping on the bandwagon. Now, that's
part of me, you know, being a fan having fun. Absolutely,
yeah, but he doesn't want to. Uh. So he text me going,
hey, I want to pick the games tomorrow. I'll pick against him.
I saw something that you know now, we're getting into that warm weather
time. People are gonna be outside. Last year, Kevin's neighbors left a
note on his front door. Was it your front door? They mailed me
a letter? Oh, they nailed you a letter. They snail mailed him
a letter. Okay, wait if I know where this is going, because
I remember we talked about this before, But don't you have to have do
you know exactly who it was? Because don't you have to have the return
address? There was no return address, but we've narrowed it down to a
couple. Well, I knew you did that because you had talked about I
didn't realize it was snail mail. Yeah, I didn't either. I thought
it was a note tape to your door anonymously and how but I always thought
you had to put the return address. It smelled like don't know. Oh
my, I thought you were gonna say something like ass so but that was
over to your pool filter being too loud. Lord, get over yourself.
Yeah, that's what I said. Well, it's an annoying sound, don't
you But is it? Please? Like you're not going to bitch about a
neighbor doing something? No, never, never, come on, No,
I had I had the neighbors called code enforcement on me. Well, yeah,
well your damn grass. Wait a second, why did they call code
enforcement on you? Because my son was parking his car. So you can
only fit one car in our garage. You could fit too technically if you
tried, but it's easier for so I just pull on the garage and he
would pull up on that, you know, the end of the garage,
right still in front of the garage, and it was on the lawn and
I was going to put pavement down when the season broke. So he would
pull up and he would kind of veer off to the left and in front
of the garage. And there's even like this wood thing that's really decorative that
he parks in front of, so it almost looks like a parking spot.
Yeah, it was too close to the property line. Was it over?
Nope, you have to have an easement five inches five inches four inches something.
It was something ridiculous. They called twice. Wow, the guy came
to my door and I have ring. Yeah, I'm at work. Yeah,
I see this guy with a clipboard and I see official truck and everything,
and I'm like hello, yeah, uh huh. They don't tell you
who called but you can find like, yeah, yeah, you can narrow
it down. They're wow patches in their yard. If it was me,
I'd be a p and all over their yard of the night. Why why
what? But what are you gonna make it even worse? For? What?
Do you give a shit? So it's just some pedantic neighbors. But
it's not. You know what the thing is is that I take care of
my house and I do all these things, and I've improved it a hundredfold,
and they're always commenting how nice it is and because it improves the value
of their neighborhood. Sure, Nope, nope, they call it code enforcement.
And I was so much. Are you sure it was that? Did
you talk to this, did you confront them? They're the only people in
the neighborhood who would who have any interest in it? Yeah? Everybody like
they're older. They're older, Well, they don't have a lot going on
now, they have jobs and stuff. No, I'm okay, I'm just
saying, like they don't have kids at home. No, No, So
you know what this is. He's sick of fucking listening to her. He
might she's sick of listening to him. I don't know. And says she
gave him a project. Maybe I think it might be her really complaining.
I yeah, if I had to put money, I think it would have
It's interesting say that. I just I take into my own hand, but
I keep it where it's piss me off getting anybody, Well, of course
it's going to piss you off. But then so all right, because I've
always been so respectful. They borrow my stuff. I borrowed there's we've been
so I talk to them all the time and they call cod enforcement. I'm
like, you couldn't just come over and say something. Yeah, but did
you say it? Like? Did you ever? You'd never confront of them,
so you're not sure it's really them. I would never because I don't
want to be I don't want to be rude. I'm trying to respect what
they Yeah, so what did you do? Did you stop parking the car
that close to it? Yes? Yeah? And so now I hear the
baby, baby, baby, baby, baby baby. What is that my
car going off the rails because I'm too close to something as I'm trying to
back out because it's in the driveway. Back it into the grade that you
want have to worry about it. You can easily pull it right out.
It's harder to back in going around somebody. Yeah, if he's not there,
I definitely back in. But anyways, yes, somebody wrote, was
he because neighbors they can become a pain of the answer with this kind of
stuff. Kevin doesn't want to fix his pool filter. But it's noise.
You're you're you're polluting noise pollution. It is noise pollution. I would be
interested in you know what you should do, Kevin? Okay, record how
loud it is one night, like at nine o'clock at night? At night?
It is time? Yeah, so a cycle? So what time?
What time does ever kick on it? Like two in the morning? So
then where are they bitching? If it's doing regular day hours of existence,
they can't enjoy their yard? Oh kiss my grits. Well, how about
this, We'll start walking around naked in my yard. That's somebody put it.
This was in the paper. Hello, neighbor, could you please shut
your side window when cooking? Please? My family are vegan and the smell
of the meat you are cooking makes us feel sick and upset. We would
appreciate your understand thanks, and then signed it her name, her husband's name
and the two kids, but her name is first, so I'm going this
she wrote it. This is a woman that wrote it. Yeah, and
this is a husband who's like, no, no, no, He's like,
oh, why did you do that? Because that's no reason to be
vegan other than your wife said we're doing it, or you're not getting lit
or he was vegan, and I won't say it before they met, and
it could be, but usually I'm thinking most of the time, you're right.
I think most guys there's gonna be somebody who will dispute this. But
my theory has been battle. Yeah, most guys will go vegan for a
chick, right. I think I may have eaten more of vegan type food
when I was us dating somebody, and you just do you with them,
you're with them, they're doing something. You how many times when you were
doing that did you go sneaka go sneaka Tom Walls or something? Oh burger,
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, bur take it was great?
Or sometimes I would just take it out on the grill and it'd be
like, I hope that's on the other side of the grill. Is that
on the other side. She did not say that Okay, I had,
Yes, Yes, that did happen. But I'm also thinking that sometimes some
guys you come home and the games in the third quarter and you didn't even
fucking know it started. No, right, and so the neighbor and you
have no idea what you're walking into, and your name has been attached to
something asking someone to close their windows. What the fuck are you gonna do
during barbecue season? If you live and this happens to be in New York
City or people on top of each other? How are you? You can't
tell somebody that they can't barbecue? You can't. I'm cooking double now.
Everything's gonna be cooked outside, and man, I'm gonna get at some point
get drunk. Yeah, I'm gonna go talk to my buddy over there who
signed this letter and be like, dude, seriously, well see that's the
thing. It's like knowing for well, he didn't have anything to do with
it. No, I'm but I'm gonna bust his balls all about it.
I think I would too, unless unless guy, Yeah, there's a chance
if he's a vegan guy, If he's a true vegan yogi kind of guy.
Do you know any mail vegans do I know any mail vegans by choice,
by choice. I don't know a single mail vegan, no at all.
I was thinking of somebody. Now, I was thinking of somebody.
I know, you're not you're you're you're reserving. I have to, I
have to, But I also feel like I'm compelled to say because I think
I sho apologize later. No, well, yeah, that's that's the story
of my fucking life. Uh. I think that this person was semi vegan.
Maybe what a semi I don't know, like eight eight I don't know,
me and y and kale chips and also a burger once in a while,
you know what I mean. I think that was the kind of person
this was. And then it means the chicken. No, I don't even
think they made eat chicken. And then all of a sudden they there was
like a perceived health issue, oh because they were vegan. Well, perceived
health issue. Noticed. If you hear the word I'm saying perceived, I'm
gathering so that there was some kind of iron deficiency. A grill get himself
out of being vegan. A grill was bought so meat, so meat could
be cooked outside because people inside were more vegan than they didn't like the smell
of the meat and stuff, but this would now be outside man, stick
it up. I'm not a point a way to stick up for yourself.
You don't do that. You say, hey, I like a steak once
in a while, and if the person really loves you, look okay,
and you go, look, I'm willing to compromise. I'll cook it out
so I'll flame broil. I don't give a shit. If it's get January
nineteenth and it's eight degrees out, I'll still go on on a grill a
steak. That's what you say. That's what the woman says. No,
that's what a guy should say. Getting lad. I'm gonna it's not like
getting laid like I like a steak. That's fine, you love me.
I like the steak. I'm gonna go grill it myself. But this was
put as like a medical I don't know if there was a sounds like a
bullshit. I get out of being a vegan but not being mad enough to
be like, listen, I love a steak. I love you. Now.
I'm arned deficient. I gotta I got hammered this, right, I
gotta hammered this. Bubba babba right, you got it exactly. How can
I stop? It's so good. I gotta slathered me. I'm really low.
And some beet sauce on there too. No, I don't know that
that would be my guest that that was the I don't know any male vegans
at all. I'm trying to think. I don't. Okay, So I
knew a man close, Okay, I will tell you anybody, and I
knew who was. What's the difference between vegan and vegetarian. Vegans don't eat
I don't think they eat anything, fish, anything. Well, I thought
that was pescatarian. I don't think that's different levels. But I knew a
guy who is more vegetarian maybe vegan. Uh, and every guy I knew
who did that and I but now these are the people I knew. I
think out of shape, oh Jesus, out of shape, heavy, usually
heavy, really yep, and uh. And I remember once to a football
party, brought tofu wings and practically got mocked out of the basement. That's
just that's that's despectable. Well, I mean like that's and they brought it
for themselves, and so that's fine. Vegan a person who does not eat
any food delivered from animals, and typically not even milk other animal products.
Okay, so not milk, eggstreme. Yeah, okay, so vegetarian would
be somebody who does eat eggs, right, milk. Vegetarians do not eat
any food products made from meat, fish, shellfish stasia such as prawns or
crabs, or animal byproducts that gelatin or rednet, any food products that come
from animals, including dairy products and eggs, right. Yeah, so those
they don't even eat cheese or anything. So yeah, so these people were
more vegetarian than they were vegan. So my aunt used to be vegetarian.
Why she no longer? She just permitted. I think she just migrated out
of it, you know what I mean. She she she was for a
while, and I think it served her purpose as far as like, well
there's health, I mean, there's cleaning her system. And she was,
you know, that was her thing for a while, and she did it
whatever reason. And I remember one Thanksgiving, God help us, she brought
a tofur. She brought a tour and she's like like it was so bad
even she said it you know how to cook that? Yeah? Because I
her husband is like he's chef quality. Yeah, And he couldn't do anything
with that he makes, he makes everything all those Yeah, so he is
awesome, Yeah, great, great chef. He couldn't cook it, right,
my sister that has just been I'm gonna say, and I'll probably be
wrong, but I think if I remember back, I'm five years older than
her, and I think she's been vegetarian since nine. Wow, yeah,
what is there a reason behind that? Nine years old? There's got to
be a reason. No, I think it was just yeah, I think
it was. I think she loves animals. No, I think my mom
was a terrible cook. Back and cheese and so god like. It was
over boiled hot dogs and stuff. And I love my mom, but happy
mother, say, I just I think that was seriously and Katie, Katie's
a great cook. Like she's made I've had tofu pieces that she's made.
I couldn't tell. I think if yeah, I got a really season and
now I worked in her. I don't like consistent. It's spongey. Yeah,
so you should call Marge and see if she knows why your sisters have
you vegetarian? I bet you she would know it. She'd tell you.
I don't know if she's in the moon since nine years old. Though she
now got her Nie eighty disks in her neck and she's looking at surgery at
the end of the year. Well that could be we could try, all
right, I'm willing to try. I uh yeah, yeah, she's been
vegetarian, but man, she makes unbelievable food. Unbelievable and then even my
uh, I'll say, I don't know how to refer to to Jenna,
but the mother of my kids, Jordan had all kinds are really really real
food sensitivity since he popped on the planet, like wound up back in the
hospital because he was losing weight, projectile vomiting on breast milk and all kinds.
Mike's son did that, so we had to get some hyperalogenic stuff in
from England. Yeah, yeah, that's where it came from. Was from
Britain. Wow. Um, so she had but she learned, I don't
know, she learned. She cooked amazing food for this kid, like you
could not tell, could not you got it right, So he was included.
There was never a burden on anybody else, but so there are if
it's done right now. I worked in a high end Delhi and they used
to sell bricks of tofu so you had in the wall like a Brian.
Right, it's like a Brian. And I remember water like I know,
well, no, I'm thinking I was thinking like pickles, but it probably
was just water. So I remember taking it out and chopping a piece and
just eating it raw. And I don't know what the fuck this is.
It was like sponge, right, but if it's done right, So I
think the tofurky like I think my sisters had that. Now. My sister's
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I know that's a that's a tough one. I will try to call my
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I don well. I think it's it's an exciting thing for the greater
Rochester area. It's awesome, but oh kill you remember over there how much
preparation has been going on. Wow, I'll tell you what to the all
the volunteers and the chair people. H it's an in the staff there and
our our PGA professionals and our general manager. I mean, this is this
is really three years out, I mean maybe more, and uh, it
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we they've started really last June on the golf course and things like that.
But don't forget we did a redesign yeah about Oh yeah, that was
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It was years ago when they first started the redesign. The redesign. I
mean, I'm getting older, so I'm losing some of my golf touch,
but it was hard before. Yeah, it's impossible really, and it's beautiful.
The vistas. I mean, it's it's fun to just walk. Yeah,
you know, it's just it's just it's spectacle. It's great for Rochester.
Everyone is excited, oh kill to be able to host such a great
event. And you know, the PGA, this this this major often has
somebody you've never heard of win win. Yeah, you know, right,
uh you know, yeah, it's for whatever reason. It's just a it's
been a it's been a championship. I mean, I hope whoever wins really
enjoys it. But great to see Rory do it. Well. Would be
great to see Rory because he's got the tie here right. His wife is
from Rondikoy, and I think he does he have a house out there.
There's always rumor. I never know and I remember, and so we see
him every where, we leave him alone. Will we see him every once
in a while, and h it'd be great to see him win, And
it would be great to see him. Like Jordan Speed has three, this
would be the fourth of major if he was to win it. He's got
a US Open, he's got a British Open and a Master's and so it's
gonna be exciting weekend. I just checked the weather. It is going to
be off the charts. Good. Oh that's great so far knock on wood
right right, Well, I mean in Rochester early May and still I mean
even taught. Yeah, my son played baseball throughout high school. I can
remember money yea many a Memorial Day weekends. Yeah, wearing gloves and hats
at ten thirty in the morning, going in four weeks. Yeah, so
yeah, it's crazy. We'll keep our fingers crossed. But back to your
point, it's on a men's amount of work and a tremendous amount of work
by the volunteer. The so Kevin Kissner is, uh, do you know
your boyfriend and his friend Yeah, his brothers friends with Yeah Sean. So
he called me. He may come on the podcast. That's awesome. And
I think one of the things that Kisner said a while ago that he was
the biggest partier on the team. You know, so we'll be a lot
of fun. But I so, I don't know, because because if you
played golf in college, just like you, the biggest partier, Yeah,
the biggest party, the biggest partier. Well, that can always lead to
problems in college. There's a you know, an interesting case they think people
have paid attention to was the man Arise the situation here was sixth guy that
it came in the sixth round, and that's where you're going to take a
punter anyway, consider the punt god the best punter available, right or maybe
the best punter ever. Someonere saying. And now he gets signed with Buffalo.
And then these accusations come out of a woman being raped at a party
by several people, yeah, and that he was part of that. And
then the DA dropped all the charges back in the early part of this year,
saying there wasn't enough evidence to actually go to trial. They just didn't
have this stuff. But that still didn't exonerate him necessarily. And now they've
come out and said, after reviewing everything, that Matt had left the party
an hour prior to any of the alleged rape happening. Among other facts that
came out, which is, you know that she was portraying herself to be
eighteen or nineteen, and I don't know California law, but upon my red
I'm imagining if you're seventeen that's illegal, although there's a defense built in that
we do not have in New York. In New York, and that is
its statutory And they could tell you you're twenty one and it doesn't matter,
right if they're seventeen or sixteen or whatever the age is, there's no Well
she looked that older, he looked that older. He had a license,
and at said none. Fake, it doesn't matter, but apparently it does
in California. And you know that's you know, it's a tough issue.
It's really tough. It's a tough issue because you're Buffalo Bills. Yeah,
and you have you know, you got the NFL, and you've got your
image, and you've got many people that would be disgusted obviously. Sure if
those allegations simple allegations, Yeah, it doesn't even matter if it's true.
Yeah, it does. And that's the problem. And that's that's the issue
that this young man's going to have now. And and I was just talking
about it with somebody today. You know, everyone was quick to judge or
read and come to a conclusion. But where is NBC, ABC, ESPN
talking about the exoneration Because I don't think they ever filed criminal charges they were
referred for charges, and then there was an investigation, and now we find
out that there's video, right, and they called it I don't know what
it means, but pov video. One of the participants was videoing it while
was happening. Yeah. Yeah, and for according to what I read in
the news, the DA you know, was trying to be politically correct,
and so that they met with a complainant and you know, and explained to
her why they couldn't go forward. And well, that's because they didn't see
anything that resembled severe intoxication or lack of consent, and that would make sense.
And they have a point. Yeah, I have a point of view
videos. I mean, this is the problem. You're not getting away with
anything anymore because everybody is walking around with it. I always say, a
TV station in their pocket, you could go live on any platform at any
moment, anywhere. Yeah. And another, this man's life is arguably ruined.
Yeah, to a large percentage of the people who still won't believe.
Well, you know, I think you got a couple of strikes against you
is you're a young malet who was a well known almost BMOC right big man
on campus. All that and you went, you went off to the NFL,
and that because you're in a sport that even though you're the punter,
it's a violent sport, machismo, big testosterone. That. Yeah, I
think you're right. I think those are things that people lock in. What
I'm hoping is to your point, I haven't seen it on any broadcast news.
I've read it in several papers online, but I haven't seen anybody give
a retraction to that. So I don't know what that means for him.
If I'm an NFL team and I'm in need of a punter, he's the
first call. Mak. It couldn't agree more with you, I mean first
call because and then I think after that he'll probably do any number of charity
work or anything to try to rebuild his image in some way. And it's
so unfair because it appears that his decision wasn't illegal or forcible, and that
he was a twenty two year old kid who somebody walked into the backyard said
that you know, you're cute or whatever, and engage in what appears to
be consensual acts. She says no, he says yes, but he's not
even there right when she walks in the building by himself, and they actually
did a controlled call. They had another name for it, but they had
a police listening. I have that happened all the time, the police listening.
They had the complainant call Matt, and Matt's like, no, I
left, you walked in. You know, I had nothing. You know,
I don't want you talking about basically is what I read, which would
be exculpatory conversation, which isn't always the case, which isn't always the case.
And now this guy, you know, it's we don't want to be
crap. But so he had sex on the side of a building. It's
twenty two years old and she said she was eighteen or nineteen. Yeah,
that's a probably a great night for him, right, and then he leaves.
I mean, he'd have to be a complete utter idiot which exists to
throw away a chance he was going to be a drafted to make millions of
dollars to kick a football, yeah, and get the occasional roughing the punter
and make millions of dollars. And I don't quote me, but I'm pretty
sure there was a demand. I think I read back at the time there
was a demand for some money from this complainant. But I could be wrong,
and I Priby shouldn't beak in terms. Oh yeah, yeah, like
his lawyer alluded to that, that's what I thought. I read. I
haven't seen an exact thing, but that he was playing for Buffalo and that
he had big pockets. Could the allegations come after he was signed? Yes,
yes, or the least that's when, unless there was an investigation came
to after. I think there was a prompt I think we called a prompt
complaint. Yes, I think there was a report within a day or two.
Yeah, there was, oh yeah. And so the big thing was
did the Bills not do their job vetting this guy? To find out that
there was a lot of there was a lot of almost pushback on the Buffalo
Bills for not doing their job. But here's the thing, like, I
have three boys, you what do you say? I'm gonna tell you because
because I would love, honest to god, I'd love to know because I
got a twenty two year old, I got a twenty one year old.
I got a twenty one year old that the kid looks like Adonis. He
comes, you know, he's all jacked up and he's long, curlier even
my mother goes, my god, he looks like a Greek god. I
go, well, he's so yeah, I love it. In college,
there's something called Title nine. Yeah, and that is we all associate Title
nine with equality and sports and funding and things like that, but it goes
beyond that, and there's a whole component about sexual offenses and sexual harassment and
things like that. And it's probably categorically one of the most unfair process that
I've I've ever had to represent somebody in. So basically what Title nine is
it does there are legitimate victims of sexual abuse. This is not geared towards
them. But there are people that lie about it. Yeah, I've represented
people and usually and I don't I'm not minimizing they're they're lying about the walk
of shame. Right, you got a boyfriend in college, You go to
a bar, you pick up another guy. You've been drinking a little bit
but not not passed out, and you know, boyfriend of college is the
next boyfriend the next day maybe who who knows you and one or it could
be an next girlfriend, It could be anything and somebody. There's an act
between two willing participants. Right, I represented somebody a local institution, and
uh, Title nine gets involved because once those words come out, that I
was too drunk to sent so he raped me. Yea, these words never
come back. They can never retract them quickly, especially that's a four letter
word. And so somebody gets Yeah, somebody finds out you were you were
with somebody, but you had a boyfriend. The boyfriend finds out. You
get called names by your girlfriends, you know, and while I was too
drunk, I don't remember it, you don't remember it. Well, we
gotta go see that. That's against the law. And so you would think
that entitled. And so what happens is a school gets involved, they conduct
an investigation, and then there can be a hearing, and you would think,
well, that's great cross examination, fact finding. Let's get to the
truth. Oh no, no, no, the title nine President trump chaninship.
Now it's going back soon. Under President bind there's no cross examination of
the complainants. You don't get to ask them any questions. The truth comes
out, not in what somebody says when asked by their lawyer. The truth
comes out when the other side cross examines. Yeah, that's where you get
the veracity. Is it consistent? Does it make sense? Right, and
they prevent that, and people are being thrown out of colleges left and right
without any fairness, no procedures to ensure and everyone says, well, you
know, until it's your son, right now, until it's your daughter,
because where are you going to go to college when you've got title nine?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And that's the that's the tough one. And
so I don't even know what you say. You got to be sober,
I mean, look smarter. Yeah. I tell people the idea that you're
gonna have like a one night stand, that's silly, you know, and
it's almost you know, consent video it consent. One night stands are going
out the door. One night stands are going out there. And you know
there are people out there that like the attention. Mails and females, yeah,
and you know they get all the attention they want. Having a bad
day at school, getting a bad grade, gonna fail. Well, three
months ago, I was at a bar, you know, and these kids
are like, I don't know where I was three months ago. It's a
circuit. I could have been there. I go to that bar, I
might have been there. Try to defend that, and the and the risk
is you never get a college degree, right, right, and you don't
even get to cross examined the complaints. Well, it's funny because I always
thought there wasn't much you could do at any point in your life when you're
young, like in your early twenties, that would really screw up your life
or screw up your future. I mean, you know, there's things obviously
we could go to the extremes, right, murder, that kind of stuff,
but most for the most part, you know, quitting a job,
leaving a job, dropping out of school, whatever, Hey, you still
got some time. But that's one that I think. It could prevent you
from getting hired at places. Yeah, it could prevent you from any further
education. If your plan was law school, let's say, or graduate school,
there's nothing who would take the chance, Nobody to say, too hot,
we're gonna let you in, yeah and be wrong. Well right,
see, we let you in even though you have this total nine finding and
they're wrong and it happens again, right, lawyers would make that whoever with
the second complaint of would it would be would break those schools millions, hundreds
of millions of dollars, right, Wow, Yeah, I didn't know about
that title nine totaline is it's it is egregious in its unfairness. Egregious.
Well, it almost comes to a no tolerance type thing, you know what
I mean, where sometimes I think I never really even like that with kids
in school at a certain because you know, no tolerance, no tolerance we
learn, but there's different degrees of things, and how do we show you
what's right and what's wrong when everything's just done out? Well, you know,
I mean I have no problem with no tolerance. If somebody does something
that rises the level of sexual they have, I'm saying, yeah, yeah,
right, But what my problem was the process. You have to have
an adversarial fact finding hearing, and if you don't do that then it's but
the schools don't care. I mean, look at I mean, the schools
just don't care. Well, they don't want to matter if you hit second.
Yeah, first, it's the bad it's the bad press that comes with
it. Right, you don't need that on your institution. I think there's
a lot of things that get swept under the rug at certain places to try
to keep it quiet and get whoever was off campus and out sure as quickly
as possible, very very very dip process yeah, interesting, that is interesting.
Well, hopefully a riser will be back the punk God it's in some
form and maybe even in Buffalo, who knows. It's America. If you
can kick a sixty five yards, you're gonna get a side. Chance take
it too. I think you're gonna get a side. You're right, we'll
take a moment when we come back. Talk about the the the choking in
the subway and that whole case much more problematic for that defendant. Well,
yeah, and and something that sometimes, I mean, I don't know,
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times it can happen. So things go wrong somewhere, somebody puts hands on
somebody and the next thing you know, you've got a serious problem. So
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A circu and circu and you can certainly, you know, and I
like most it's just go to circulaw dot com and you have a confidential email
right system. It's nobody's going to see anything. You don't have to worry
about anything. Sometimes even making the call maybe a little strenuous, it's easier
to just kind of you almost do talk talk to text right into your computer
and let that let's send that right there. You know. One of the
things we've learned, or I've learned in my practices, there's a lot of
uncertainty and fear. Yeah, when somebody's facing something they've never faced before,
like a criminal charge and things like that. And you know, if he
gets if they get in touch with me quickly, I can allay some of
the fears because you know, they talk to their friends and they get a
friends don't know anything. They've been a law they haven't been doing it for
thirty years like I have. If you call me, yeah, I can't
promise anything. I don't guarantee anything, but if you have some fears that
are probably not placed everyone wants to know, am I gonna go to jailing?
Well, I can't say no, but doesn't seem like a case like
that. It kind of depends what you can do from here forward. So
I just gonna tell you you can't drive. So I just gonna tell you
can't have contact with this mail. Do what the judge says, and that's
gonna help me keep you out of jail. You get the best possible.
I'll come, we can get I will do what you want. And then
I don't know what's gonna happen. I was just thinking about, as you
were saying, that you have something happen and you're you're all spun out in
your head and you find one person and you just say, I can't believe
this one. Am I gonna do? And they're like, uh, you
know what, I remember so and so, And they're giving you advice.
From their point of view, they're trying to help, but all they're doing
is making it worse. Are they trying to help something? You know,
they're trying to drag you down a little bit, And you know they now
they feel better about themselves because they're not worried about going to stay prison,
And you are. But the other thing is too is if you get some
kind of piece of information like that, like something happened to me, I'm
not telling anybody. I'm calling you. I'm not telling anybody because the first
person then I'll go, hey man, think about this. The conversation that
begins with hey man, don't tell anybody, but it's you're it's going everywhere.
They're all talking. You can't you can't do that. You can't do
that. Talk to me about this subway case, because it's it's one that
seems to be, like you said off, Mike, uh, sort of
brushed by and that everything's gonna be okay. And I don't even know how
many people are really familiar with the ins and outs of the whole the whole
thing here. So I've watched, and I haven't. I didn't follow when
it was happening. I was away, uh, And but I did catch
a little bit about So as far as I know, there was a subway
with people on it, which is important, and that there was somebody who
was acting erratic, yeah, was probably demonstrating mental health issues and in a
crisis, making some threatening comments, something along the lines of I'm ready to
die or something that things that would alarmed, right, and that there was
a good samaritan, this twenty four year old marine I think his name is
Will Daniels or Will Daniel, Will Daniel Penny, and he subdued the person,
right, and after the result of that, according to the medical example
of the pressure placed on the neck killed him. Okay, okay, and
you know I've watched that well it isn't it is. And I've watched a
lot of pundits on TV say, oh, he's gonna be fine. That's
I've handled those cases. And I don't have that same warm and fuzzy for
mister Penny that the person who was acting as the good samaritan as many others
do. I think that I think that he's in harm's way for many different
reasons. Yeah, I thought this was a yeah, yeah, do they
have I'm assuming because it's on the subway they have video or no, you
know there's some video and they're still looking for eyewitnesses, et cetera. Well,
because most of it, I think it was some fairly crowded. I
think that they have made wanted posters for the young ones he say marine,
Yes, yeah, okay, they don't even have him, Oh they have,
Oh yeah, but they're just saying, like there's people saying they want
him for that because I don't think he's been charged. So so, you
know, and most of these case, most criminal cases start with an arrest,
right the police cam. You get arrested and move on. Yeah,
that doesn't it doesn't happen that day necessarily shortly thereafter. But there's other ways
to start a prosecution that the district attorney's office can do by presenting the case
to a grand jury. That's called a sealed case. And you don't sometimes
you don't even know right like that it's happening, and then they knock on
your door six months from now and they taken the cops. But I would
imagine this case would probably some sort of an arrest at the I would think
so, but maybe not. They could do a sealed case. Well,
there's been a bit of a public outcry too with it, you know,
people protesting and signs and picketing and all terrible that somebody had died. I
don't know that it was intent. From what I understood, he was taking
synthetic marijuana K two according to Yeah, so you know, his uncle's saying
that he was taking it because his mother had recently died and he was handling
his depression through that synthetic marijuana from this stuff. I mean, they weren't
having all kinds of problems a few years ago with kids on local college campuses,
so sort of going almost insane, you know. I don't know if
that's the right proper term to use, but they're acting very irrend right,
showing violence. So there is little doubt I would think that the marine,
mister Patty intended to kill this person, right, that that's highly unlikely given
the lack of a relationship, But what he was trying to subdue him.
Just because there's lack of intent doesn't completely at all eliminate potential criminal conduct.
And most people think of of criminal conduct is intentional. I intended to hurt
somebody. I intended to break something. Culpability, yeah, but that's not
necessarily the men's raya. We call it the state of mind, right,
and so there are many different ways for people to be legally responsible for a
debt. Homicide is just an unnatural debt. Somebody dies because of somebody else's
conduct. That's unnatural. That doesn't mean that it's prosecutable. But we have
statutes in New York manslaughter criminally neglige on homicide. I think we have talked
about a little bit at a time in the past, and that is that
somebody acts in a manner that is, that is, either they're aware of
and consciously disregard a substantial unjustifiable risk that a death could occur. They're aware
of it and they disregard it, so they create a set of facts.
This being that the mister Penny of the marine creates a set of facts by
chokehold that he was aware of and consciously disregarded a substantial risk that a death
could occur. That's called manslaughter in the second degree. Same set of facts
that he creates by the chokehold, but he fails to perceive that there's a
substantial unjustifiable risk of death. That's called criminally negatis on homicide. Both our
felonies. Both you can go to stay prison where I find that the difficulty
for him, and again there's so many different factors. Exactly what did this
guy say then that made everyone so scared? Yeah, okay, did he
have a bag next to him? Was he wearing a jacket that could hold
a gun? Right? Right? So you don't know what's in the bag.
We don't know what's going on. It's the size difference between mister Penny
and the decedent. The George Floyd death certainly brought to the forefront the dangers
of any neck compression, So we can't say, well, we had no
idea, My god, who who is? Who could have thought? Right?
Was his intention to make him just pass out? Right? Exactly?
But did he create a substantial risk of death? Right? Did the gentleman
go limp? And he let go right away? I mean we watched the
UFC, right, I saw one of those front choke holds where some of
these guys are women are so courageous in their own mind, they don't tap
and the body goes limp and they just drop like a sack of potatus.
Right, I mean, so did he keep it on too long? What's
the marines training to be able to give that? So? How many hours
would it take to go? What are you looking at if you took a
case like that for you as you're listening all this, I mean, just
to find all that and do you think of that that quickly? I mean,
I know we're good talking a long time at practice, but that you
can walk in and do a bing bing bing bing bing. Well, I
mean I've been doing it for thirty years, twelve years as a prosecutors and
in private practice. I've handled a number of homicides in both my assistant district
attorney career and also in private practice. Um, you know, I mean
you just learned. Look, I tell people all the time, I couldn't
write your contract, right, I don't know anything about wills. But if
you get jammed up with the police, that's what I do every single day
and spot well, thank you, you spot those issues right, and you're
looking to see which ones help. I hope the other side doesn't find the
ones that don't help, right. But our office here, our disc attorney's
offices, is so talented that it's always they're always very very worthy adversaries.
And you learn. I mean I learned every day. I learned in every
case, every case, I learned something that you know that has a trial.
Yeah, because you just learn things. Right. So if you were
taking ak like this, I mean, how many how long does it take
to even get everything together, to get to draw hundreds of hours, hundreds
of ours and you know you're you're you're coming up with your theory of your
case and you're looking for the facts to support it, to discredit the facts
that don't support it. You know, we have expert witnesses that you might
want to call. There's a medical examiner. You have to be fully prepared
and know the science behind why he or she came to their conclusion. Um.
You know, people can get strangled with very little, very little force.
Did not know very little force and so and and you know, it's
just it is very fine lawyer who was maybe one of the greatest days we
ever have. Chuck Saragos, who was a federal judge when I was a
young day pulled me into his chambers and he said, Steve, listen,
the formula for success in any job, especially ours, eighty five percent of
what you do is preparation. Yeah, fifteen percent is going to be your
presentation. He was never outprepared and he was never outlawyered. And I hope
that. Yeah, Chuck FeAs a legend here. It's like seventy eight straight
convictions. I mean, you want somebody who's going to be absolutely prepared,
you do, because I will tell you, think about anything in life when
you feel prepared, you feel confident, absolutely right. You feel confident,
whether it's in an athletic competition or it's a job interview or a presentation you
have to do. When you're prepared, you feel confident. And when you
have no idea what you're doing, because it's you've been accused of something,
go to somebody who's going to be prepared and help you do that. So
this doesn't look like it'll be a swept the way this guy's gonna you know,
we're talking to marine, but we're talking to white marine and an African
American man who's deceased. That is certainly a confident. That's a bit of
a yeah. I mean, there's no this marine didn't. I don't think
he went out of this way. And I don't think he did it because
the guy was black. It had nothing to do with it, right,
I mean, you know. The the sad part is is that the mentally
ill not only in New York anywhere. Yeah, just there. It's it's
not the necessary the fault of the government. I mean, I mean it's
a problem. Yeah, it's a problem. We have aggressive panhandlers. Yeah,
down in Rochester, Okay, So I go over to uh Embody,
which is in the city next to the Cover Room. Now Molly flahertys and
I instruct boxing there. So I'm going there on Monday night and it's fairly
nice. There's a person on one street corner. As I get off to
turn left on Goodman, there's somebody in the middle of the street and there's
somebody on the other sidewalk panhandling, And I'm watching the guy in the middle
of the street, and I'm thinking, man, I got a big truck.
I mean, you know, you're talking kind of narrow streets and all
this. You don't know how you're gonna hit somebody, and it is it's
aggressive, and it is a problem. Well, I mean I think an
aggressive like person, a person yeah give me the money, yeah yeah.
Where they start coming up, Well, they come up there and you're shoving.
And there was I think that, if I'm not mistaken, in the
Civic Center garage in the last year, there was there was a daughter and
a mom attacked by aggressive pan hailler. But you know, because so many
people suffer for mental health issues and there's no way to mandate that they take
their medications, it's impossible. There's a guy I work on Mount Read and
Lexington. Intersection of Mount Read and Lyle, there is a gentleman who clearly
has mental health issues. He will come up. I was. I talked
to my mother on the right into work every morning, and I happened to
stop at the light there. Sure enough. I'm like, oh my god,
Mom, he's going up to the car. Yeah, and he's all
over the place, his hands in his arms are all like, he's just
he's he's a kind of what you could tell there's some issues and it's scary.
Yeah, I mean seven o'clock in the morning, you leave. He's
there at night sometimes and sometimes there's another woman that's there too, and you're
like, oh man, yeah, I mean there's no easy answer. I
mean, now you talk about involuntarily committing someone, and then you worry about
the fifties and all those horrificscentric hospitals because there are only experiments on people.
Yeah, it's just it's not a there's no easy solution. No, there's
not, because the other things we're dealing with human beings. But you know,
at some point when you start to make people uncomfortable and put yourself in
danger, like when you're flowing about someone doesn't know, and so now somebody
pulls a weapon out who knows, not not even them, like you know,
someone defending themselves. We don't even know if if this gentleman was had
a weapon this marine, you know, do we know enough about the marine?
Though? I don't know. I hate to say that. Four a
latter word about PTSD. Is there anything like? Where was he coming from?
Is he here's the thing? He didn't initiate it? Yeah, by
all accounts, this other person was acting right. No, I know you
didn't initiate it, but you know, somebody's gonna right Bran, did he
go and do a tour somewhere? What's he feeling at the time? That's
all of that stuff might focus That will certainly be something that's relevant. But
that Alvin Bragg, I remember there was that Hispanic store owner who gets stabbed
and he shoots the guy. Yeah, and they arrested him. That's so
ridiculously, what are we doing? I don't know. That was in New
York too, New York, New York City. We had a case here
where guys got into a fight after a softball game. Remember that. Gosh,
that was a while ago. I represented the person. Okay, I
didn't know that, yeah, when I brought this up, But I remember
the guy. I think it was just a sucker punch. I think he
I thought he hit him in the back of the head with a fist.
No, that would not be what happened. But okay, I probably can't
go no, no, no, And I that's how I remember it,
just saying that you just never know. Yeah, and there's so in uh
that aspect. I did a lot of research. Yeah, you'd be amazed
at the number of one punch homicides that have happened. I actually know.
I wouldn't be only because I've seen guys get hit. You're so many fragile
bones, and man, you hit the right you could go right into the
brain with the nose. Mean, there's a lot of times what happens is
someone's knocked unconscious, Yeah, and they fall back ye, and they hit
their head on a pavement yea or a curb ye and that's over. There
was a just totally unrelated but um there was a comedian. He used to
come up and he would be on Weeza Show a lot, Larry Miller,
but a lot of movies and things. Larry really he always played the deadpan
guy. Yes, he was in the Buston Show. He played the boy,
he was the host. It was that he was Uh, he was
in Pretty Woman. He was in a bud Larry went to take was at
a bar, went outside to take a phone call, slipped off a curb,
went back and hit his head. Wound up in for about six months
in a rehabilitative hospital because the brain swelling, and I think there was trouble
walking and all that. I mean, the things that can happen with your
head we don't even think of. And you're right, So if you start
fighting, like I always I always just love to seeing bar fights, only
because not being involved in them, but watching no one. Look, no
one is as good as they think they look. I mean they're swinging wide.
But if you connect with somebody and they hit their head on the bar,
you could you could need the services of Steve. You know. I've
had a couple of those cases in the last couple of years. YEA one
get dismissed by the grand jury a couple months ago. Thank one punch it
could be Yeah, it's it's pretty Uh, it's commonplace. Whatever I get
into a little verbal I just don't hit the face. I got like forty
two ribs. You can break three them. I don't care. Just don't
let me in the face. I don't think you're going anywhere. Everybody's hiding.
Yeah, it could be a little rough by, can it? Now?
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Kevin has put together a battle of the sexist game that we play whenever Angie's
in the studio to find out who knows more about what? I don't know
if Foody, who's he's gonna be helping now that he showed up here,
he's all quiet. He staying on the front of mine. But that's right.
So what do we gotta kea start with the ladies, Angie? How
many times did Mohammad Ali win the world heavyweight boxing title? It's the greatest,
they say, gentleman. In the ribbon event of rhythmic gymnastics? What
must the ribbon? Never? Do I know that? Complete this famous movie
saying go ahead, blank, oh, come on, really, gentleman.
Elizabeth Taylor launched her own brand of perfume called what not. I don't know,
Angie, And what sports league is the butt Kiss Award? Get a
award given her? The butt Kiss Award? What? I don't say anything?
Just referenced a few moments ago in the movie Pretty Woman, Gentleman,
what is Richard gear frightened of? Let'll see a scan of over to Angie,
what do you call the accelerator on a motorcycle? What do you call
the accelerator? Accelerator? You mean this thing thing that makes it go,
the accelerator, gentleman. When decorating the top of a cake, what do
you call the bag that holds the icing or the cream? And it's not
yam bag? Bill over to Angie? What do you call the instrument panel
in a car? Boat or airplane? I mean, what what do you
call it? What do you call it? As a name? Gentleman,
On which side of the dinner plate should you place the bread and butter plate?
Side of the dinner plate should you place the bread and butter plate?
Last one for Angie, what do you call the tool used to tighten the
drill? Bit? Tightened the drill? Tighten the drill bit? And last
for the gentleman. Which singer left the band ten Thousand Maniacs to pursue a
solo career? Got it? Yeah, that's how it turns left the lucy
ready tidy? What's it called? I know, I know, I'm just
trying to think of I don't even know if I know what it's called.
I can see it. That's a name. I know all right, today
we're on a time cruncher. I think I got these. I think you
did. Back to the top. How many times did Mohammed the Greatest Ali
win the heavyweight boxing title? Yes? What? Ten? Negative? I
thought it was three? You are correct? Three times? Still tap me?
I said five? First? There was it Fraser or was it Foreman?
I thought it was? And then he beat Leon Space right, I
said five first, I don't know, gentlemen. And the ribbon event of
rhythmic gymnastics, what should the ribbon never do? I should touch the floor,
That's what I said. Yeah, it should not touch any part of
the gymnast body in the floor right now, I think the floor, I
think about it. Yeah, yeah, they go around their body. They
do everything completely ridiculous. Don't waste the time famous saying and go ahead,
blank make my day. There you go. Elizabeth Taylor, what's her brand
of perfume called? I have no idea? I wrote, Pearl, I
don't, said Liz, Oh, I think you're right, white diamonds.
N you know what? What's what was the name of that show in Rolling
Stone magazine all the time or the kids you wipe your arm? But yeah,
maybe it might have been Playboy something like that, Angie, And what
sports league is the butt Kiss Award given it? Hockey? It is not
hockey, football? Football? I was it is football. Yeah, it's
lineman, right, all right? That was my second. Pretty sure,
pretty sure it is. And then you're like, well pretty sure? What
a cross example? Perfect cross cross examine? Car said it, so said
the top linebackers at the high school collegiate end it might be end uh NFL
level. Let's see the linebackers of high school, collegiate and professional levels of
football. The award named in honor of college Football Hall of Fame. And
we would have given it. We would have given you a high school at
college based on cross examination for hockey. No, but hockey. No,
well I didn't even connect the doctor. No, you get, you know,
you get for that. Not a gentleman, nothing like it? Pretty
woman? What is Richard Gears character frightened of not hookers? No. I
was going to say commitment, but then I wrote heights got it? Yeah,
because I remember at the end, because that's your favorite movie. You
can watch it every other weekend. Sits on the edge, she sits on
the edge of the I did I never saw it either until recently recently.
I think the classic movie You Got Us, And that's how I know that
Larry Miller was Can we cross examined and go to the TV. There's no
hands, No, let's see what's on a TV history. What do you
call me, Roberts pretty hot? Accelerator on a motorcycle? I don't know.
It's on the right. You just hit it and you you know,
I don't know. Gentlemen on a motorcycle, I don't know. And the
brake is over here on the left, and the clutches over here and you
throttle. All right, Yeah, that's it. I don't know. When
decorating the top of a cake, what do you call the bag that holds
the icing or the cream? I have absolutely no IDEA cream sack? That
makes perfect sense to me. What if it's no, No, it's cream
sack, its cream? I wrote down, fun, don't bag the piping
bag? Oh, the piping bag? A little sexist right there? That
you didn't ask and that this would you guys had no idea. The man
questions I knew, and I'm a I'm a man, Okay. What do
you call the instrate panel on a car boat or airplane? I don't know.
I know that it has all of this stuff. I just I don't
know exactly what it is, the spidometer, the RPM's the whole thing,
the gas I don't know. Do you guys know what is it called?
I said, dashboard? Well, that's what's off top. I mean,
I don't think, but it's usually your dashboard on your dashboard. Yeah,
oh, come on, that's a trick question. Really. On which set
it is? Also called, by the way, the instrument panel. I
shouldn't write that down either, but that's a true question. I don't know.
Whatever. You gotta go ahead and make my day simmer down over there.
That's fine. I'm only guy one. This on which set of the
dinner plate should you place the bread and butter plate? Got one? It's
one of two, I said, left, left it is? Yeah,
the way I remember that was the Etiquett class B for breadford for drink.
I don't ask, don't ask, it's just don't ask. It was the
nineties eighties. He's the old What did you call the key or the tool
used to tighten the drill bit my hand? I like this one I called
the chuck Yes, chuck key. Yeah, yeah, you put that in
you do that, But I don't have drill bets because a lot of times
they'll it's usually attached right to the drill. But you know, any guys
who were doing because they hate it, so they're no, they keep it,
but they usually keep it into their tool belt. But at least name
the singer that left the band of ten thousand Maniacs to pursue a solo career.
You got the merchant? You got it? Yes, from Jamestown,
I believe, really, yeah, I think they were. She's from Jamestown.
Her her first album, I think it was. It was in a
green and orange type cover. Maybe it was called Tiger Lily. That was
one of my wife's that I first albums together. I believe you are correct
on that. A lot of great a lot of great songs on that album.
Yeah, what don't you graduate law school? Uh? Nineteen ninety two,
ninety two, Okay, yeah, that's about the time, right,
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't meet Hurt Soul ninety five, ninety five,
yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah, because I was all right,
I was right out of there. Was that thing you did with the
thing and the thing, and he talked to the thing and the thing.
Yeah, and that was it exactly involved all right, great game, Yeah
it was. It was all right, we crushed. I like you guys
crash. I like when we when we crushed, like usually, don't you
know I don't have help to win a game. I do. I really
do have to have help to win a game. Uh, Steve, thanks
for coming in. PGA week is uh boy, it's it's reving up.
I know, Like I was even talking to um uh Dan Clifford. Yeah,
and uh just he's putting the big ten outside. He wants to make
it like a hospitality ten in there, and I just think it's great for
the whole area. But it's such a boon for hospitality and so nice after
it to have this two hundred million dollars Yeah, right, amazing. Yeah,
And I just think it's great. It's a great way to dress up
town and people get around to the different suburbs and it's awesome hopefully. Yeah,
that's the thing. It does make it with having not having COVID when
that whole time when we had COVID, if we'd have been that that would
have been a brutal Ye would have been brutal loss. Yeah, that would
have been the grounds that ok kill look amazing. Get out there support.
I mean it's it's like, it's unbelievable how cool it looks out there.
Yeah, it's gonna look great on TV, but it's gonna better in person.
I just checked the weather again. Not a rain cloud. Wow to
next Sunday? Yeah, now, are you gonna be there? All?
I can't. I'm only gonna go on Friday. Yeah, it kind of
Friday afternoon. I mean, I got to find a gun. Friday's a
great time. That's that's a great advent. Yeah. I got my favorite
day for these things because I don't want it. Saturday gets a little crazy,
Sunday's insane. Yeah, and Friday's usually fun. Friday's just a complete
circus. Yes, you know people are not making the cut, making the
cut drinking. It's gonna be a good time. Yep. But thank you
very much for having me anytime, gentlemen. Yes, I love it.
I love it. A nice seeing you to driving in that beautiful Undy sport.
All right, Angie, nice to see you again. I'm sorry you
lost the game, all right. For Kevin Muir, I'm Bill Moran.
We'll see you tomorrow. Didn't know what to do. I'm trying to TV
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