WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.799 Like I said, I've been staking out areas. You know, whenever someone 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:05.839 has a siding report, we used to go out and sit in an area 3 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:08.759 to see if there's any activity. And I've been in like in create like 4 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.839 dry out creek beds, on ridges, you know, on tree lines, 5 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:18.160 in electrical rideaways, gas rideaways, you know, sometimes by myself, and 6 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:24.079 that's scary. But the Brown Springs place, it's like far none the craziest 7 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:27.239 place I've ever been. And I've only been there once. I've been in 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:32.039 Louisiana, I've been in Texas, East Texas, I've been in Southeast Texas. 9 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:36.520 I've been in all over Oklahoma, and I've been in Arkansas. I've 10 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:41.600 been in Ohio, North Carolina. This place, brown Springs is probably, 11 00:00:41.679 --> 00:01:23.760 bar none, the scariest place I've ever been. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. 12 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:29.000 My name's Matt. I'm your host. If you haven't done so already, 13 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.280 check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links to merchandise, all the 14 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:40.319 social media, all the past episodes, everything all in one place. And 15 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.040 if you had a big Foot encounter of your own or encountered something else strange, 16 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:47.280 you can't explain. I want to hear about it, email me at 17 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:53.120 Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com, and with no further ado, I am 18 00:01:53.239 --> 00:02:00.560 joined by a very very special guest, the host of the Bigfoot Club podcast, 19 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:07.080 my good friend, mister Robert Jesse Domingoz. Hey, Matt, I 20 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:12.960 was I was hoping you're gonna introduce me as Robert Jesse Domingus Mangus. How 21 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.439 you doing, man, I'm good, man, I'm good. I was 22 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.240 ready for this. I'm ready to talk to you today. I was excited 23 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.879 about you know, you booked me for this one, so I'm excited. 24 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.800 I was just recently on your podcast, or at least a recording session of 25 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:34.560 your podcast. Yes, yes, I believe that's episode nineteen. I I'm 26 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.159 going to release it on Friday, so nice. So these will be coming 27 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:44.400 out probably on the same day then, so probably it's just a double whammy 28 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:51.759 of goodness. Yes. Well, I got a really interesting message sent to 29 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.960 me today on Facebook that I have been waiting all day to talk to you 30 00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:04.080 about. Okay, Now, I will preface this by saying this happened yesterday, 31 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:09.439 which was Halloween. Okay, and as a Bigfooter, you know what 32 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:16.439 it's like around April Fool's Day and Halloween, it gets kind of sketchy in 33 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:28.000 the Bigfoot world. This information is probably not true, but I feel like 34 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:36.000 it needs to be addressed anyways. So there is a Facebook page of we'll 35 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:42.840 say a local person. They run this Facebook page not as a personal page, 36 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:47.879 but more of a platform for them just to try to be a local 37 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:52.639 celebrity or something like that. They post local news. I've seen a lot 38 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:59.199 of their posts being centered around like helping local people in the community. I've 39 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.319 seen them like don't space heaters and things like that to people that need them, 40 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:09.759 donating food to people that need it. And I didn't see any shenanigans 41 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:14.599 going on to speak of. Now, I'm not like a member of the 42 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.079 page. I haven't followed or anything. I just checked it out today. 43 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:23.680 And the reason I checked it out is because Evans Bailey of the Native Oklahoma 44 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:29.360 Bigfoot Research Organization also known as no Bro, asked me if I had heard 45 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:36.480 this information that this other Facebook page was putting out on Halloween, they said, 46 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:47.040 breaking news, two Wagner County hunters claimed to have killed Bigfoot. Roger 47 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:51.319 and Daniel Klein say they were both in a tree stand filming a hunt when 48 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.399 the creature was hit as it crouched behind an eight point buck that Roger had 49 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:00.319 his sights on and shot with a powerful muzzle loader as Daniel filmed the whole 50 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:05.439 encounter. Oklahoma Wildlife Management are on the scene now, along with the Wagner 51 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:12.680 County Sheriff Department, closing the area off. Early reports say Oklahoma State Wildlife 52 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.319 Department have recommended that honey season in the county be suspended until further notice. 53 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.879 From Bear Thompson Road east to the Arkansas River and a Highway fifty one bee 54 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:28.120 all the way north to the Tallahassee Loop have been blocked off and are only 55 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.959 accessible to residents in the area who now have a stay inside with locked Door's 56 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:40.120 recommendation. Sources say Roger is very distraught and at times unconsolable for killing the 57 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:46.879 human like creature. Stay tuned for more details now. As of that time, 58 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:53.399 there were no more details. A couple of other posts had been made, 59 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:59.839 but they were about helping people in the community. The poster of the 60 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:05.319 information didn't respond to any of the comments, and while most of the comments 61 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:11.560 were you know, people making jokes and things like that, one commenter said, 62 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.639 I actually spoke with a friend of mine who lives in the area just 63 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.319 one mile away, and they say the story is not fake and he is 64 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:30.279 not a bigfoot believer. One person, one person. Now, Wagner County 65 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:36.439 is a very rural county here, and I have personally looked for bigfoot in 66 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:44.680 that county, and I know people who have actively researched the area in question. 67 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:51.240 There have been sightings out there. I would dare say that bigfoot does 68 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:58.000 exist in the area. However, I couldn't find any other information. I 69 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:03.839 couldn't find the people well mentioned in the post. I mean you would. 70 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.600 It would be one thing to cover up a bigfoot being shot, But the 71 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.920 part where it says that they had closed off the area and issue a stay 72 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.920 inside and lock the doors order, you can't cover that up, like the 73 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:25.839 local sheriff department and the wildlife department, and it was the Wagner County Sheriff 74 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:32.240 Department closing the area off according to the post. Muzzleloader. That's a pretty 75 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:38.240 big rifle, right, Yeah, that's like a black powder rifle. Deer 76 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:45.040 season has just kind of recently started, and I believe muzzleloader is like kind 77 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.040 of like a primitive firearm, and they allow them to hunt first in the 78 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:54.160 season. So that's that's a lot of that's a lot of stuff too encompass 79 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:59.240 here. And then there's also the part where it's specifically saying these two guys 80 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:05.000 were filming what they were doing and film the entire incident. Yeah, and 81 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.959 I have seen no film being posted anywhere. How far Wagner County. How 82 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:15.240 far is that way for me? Thirty minutes, forty five minutes around that, 83 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.720 depending on where it's at in Wagner County. That's pretty close. Evan 84 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.920 said that, you know, people in his group were looking into it. 85 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.439 They're contacting people because you know, they're from Oklahoma, so people know people, 86 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.879 and so it's going beyond the Bigfoot world is the point. But yeah, 87 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.960 I mean that's that's pretty much hot off the press. That was as 88 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.840 of yesterday. At the time of recording this, there wasn't any more information. 89 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.240 Nobody had said, oh I was just joking for Halloween, none of 90 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:50.120 that stuff. So I don't know, you know, if they normally close 91 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.639 an area that would be on the news, would it not. I don't 92 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.279 think you'd be able to close an area and keep it out of the news 93 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.879 in that in this area, right, Something like that. That part kind 94 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.080 of flabbergasted me a little bit. How the news is not I mean it 95 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.279 would it would hit locally to you, and then if like nationally, if 96 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.720 they want to pick it up, they'll pick it up and then it'll go 97 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.000 all over the internet and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, So, 98 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:26.399 like if they were issuing an order it says a recommendation that residents stay inside 99 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:28.360 and lock their doors. I don't know what the purpose of that would be, 100 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.799 but if they were to issue something like that in the area, I 101 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:39.159 mean, the local news stations are going to pick that up somehow. Yeah, 102 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.679 somebody's going to call somebody and tell them or something, and they're going 103 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.960 to want to know what's going on. They're going to report that it's happened. 104 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:52.679 I mean, anytime there's any sort of like lockdown or safety threat that 105 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.759 happens anywhere around Tulsa, it gets in the news. Yeah. To me, 106 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.679 this sounds like a little bit of embellishment on who was ever issuing this 107 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:09.519 post or this statement. Like I said, most likely not true. But 108 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:15.759 if someone listening happens to uh live there and knows more information than I do, 109 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.840 please reach out to me or if you hear about, you know, 110 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:24.200 a bigfoot getting killed in Oklahoma. This is probably what they're talking about. 111 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:30.960 Did it say anything about university being involved at all? No, No university 112 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.519 talk, no tribal talk, nothing like that. I mean, because if 113 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:39.720 this was if this was you know, the men in black, this statement 114 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.159 probably wouldn't even come out. It was probably just scooped it up and gone. 115 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.519 But well, that's the thing. The guy didn't you know, the 116 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:50.759 guy that posted didn't give any sources or anything like that either, So I 117 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:58.320 don't know now. The person posting it is from Wagner County, so there's 118 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:03.440 definitely the chance that if something like this was going on, somebody notified him 119 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.960 just you know, hey, did you hear this was going on? That 120 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.759 person has some kind of insight in the county. So yeah, okay, 121 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.759 right, And I did not you know, reach out or anything like that. 122 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.200 I didn't want to step on anybody else's toes, not that anybody has 123 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.240 specific rights or anything. But like I said, Evan said that they were 124 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.759 looking into it, so I'll just let them look into it. Interesting. 125 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.600 Well, Matt, keep us in the loop on this intriguing you know, 126 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.600 news out in Wagner County. Another rumor of a killed bigfoot. Well, 127 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.879 people always ask, you know, well, how come nobody's ever shot one? 128 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.279 If they really exist? Well, there's actually lots and lots of stories 129 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.600 of people doing it. It's just they're either not true or the stories just 130 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.679 disappear for some reason. Yeah, go to Wagner County. Go to Wagner 131 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.200 County. What really sucks is my uncle, who's no longer with us, 132 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:03.159 used to be the main judge of Wagner County. And I would have just 133 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.559 been able to pick up the phone and be like, hey, what's happening. 134 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.320 Yeah, dang, you would pick up like the bat phone. Yeah, 135 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:18.879 Colt Commissioner Gordon. Yeah. And you know the area that he lived 136 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.279 in. He lived in Tahaqua, And I mean that's as squatchy as you 137 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.200 can get. Man. They've had bigfoot sightings. I remember in my childhood 138 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:35.159 there being bigfoot sightings out in Tallaquah and it making the news and like that 139 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.600 was so cool as like a little kid. You know, there was one 140 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:43.679 where like a woman was standing at her kitchen window washing dishes and she just 141 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.960 happened to look up and look out her window and there was one like digging 142 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.600 through the burn barrel behind their house. Wow, And she called the cops 143 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.440 and the sheriff went out there and found tracks and everything else. And my 144 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.320 uncle was the judge at the time that that happened and knew the deputy that 145 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:07.039 went and handled the call and everything. And he told me face to face, 146 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.200 he said, yeah, that deputy said that those tracks were one hundred 147 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:16.000 real and that there was no way that woman was lying. Now correct me 148 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.480 if I'm wrong. When I was living in Tulsa, didn't we have a 149 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.720 story near Tallaquah or in Tataquah of the lady that had here. She had 150 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.240 got some land and she was going to build a house and she had a 151 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:33.320 trailer out there and something was coming by and slapping the trailer in the middle. 152 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.600 Yeah, it was that in Taqua. Yeah, same area. And 153 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.559 then like she reached out, she reached out either to me or I think 154 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.639 it was to you, and Uh, I wanted to go out there and 155 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.759 go check it out. And then before we could do it, her her 156 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.279 husband nixed it and didn't want to then communicate with us again after that. 157 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:00.000 Yeah. Well, speaking of Evans Bailey and Nobro Uh, something we taught 158 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:05.159 talked about on your show A little Bit is a photo that recently came out. 159 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.720 Yes, what did you think about the photo? You know, I 160 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.960 with us being in this field for such a long time, we rerun into 161 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.840 so many game cam stuff, and uh, this this one was kind of 162 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.960 intriguing because it the highlight on it was you could see, you know, 163 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:33.279 a forehead, a possible sagital crests, the eyebrows, the nose, a 164 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:37.080 stern chin. It looked like Kurt Douglas. But you know, to me, 165 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.679 it looked like something there was. There's something there now, there was 166 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.919 now there was continuous like photos of this like profile not being there. To 167 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.639 me, it would have been something to even think about. But it was 168 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.840 it's not enough. It's not enough for me, you know. And there 169 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:00.679 was something there and it was pretty intriguing. But I don't know, I've 170 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.879 seen so many game cams where you know, Bigfoot's avoid it. You know, 171 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:11.200 Bigfoot avoids game cams. That's always been like my theory. So well, 172 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:16.679 I posted the photo yesterday or the day before the day before, and 173 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.480 you know, it got mixed responses, of course, just from the general 174 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:28.559 audience. The photo had been sent to me prior to its release. I 175 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.399 looked at it. I couldn't find any red flags as far as any sort 176 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:39.440 of manipulation or anything like that going on. There was one issue that I 177 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:45.639 had with it that was explained and had nothing to do with the original owner 178 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:52.399 of the photo, just in the posting of the photo. They had put 179 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.080 their logo on it just to protect it, you know, and yeah, 180 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:00.600 had trimmed part of the photo off, so it was a different to mension 181 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.159 the comparison shots. But they were responsible for that and explain why it happened 182 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.039 and everything else. So I don't have any issue with that. In the 183 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.320 area that was trimmed wouldn't even matter. It wasn't enough to make a difference. 184 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:18.399 It wasn't like something was trimmed out of the photo to hide something That 185 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:26.120 wasn't the case. I've looked at the comparison shots. I mean, like 186 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:34.320 you're saying, it's not enough to really determine anything. But like the people 187 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.039 investigating it, you know, no, bro, they haven't been able to 188 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:44.480 find any sort of mask or costume or anything like that, and I haven't 189 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.399 either. Yeah. I think I think you mentioned that on on our podcast 190 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:53.240 that you you didn't find this because you can always you always see like three 191 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.840 or four different bigfoot costumes that are going around being sold and people are worrying 192 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.679 them. And I recall you saying, because this one it doesn't look like 193 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.640 anything in any kind of costumes I've seen before. Yeah, it's definitely not 194 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.160 anything I instantly recognized. Now that doesn't mean it's not it's just right. 195 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:18.200 It didn't ring any bells or anything. The profile is very interesting. I 196 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:26.000 mean, it looks right. Somebody actually asked me in the Facebook group I 197 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.720 have set up for the podcast if it looked like the one I had seen 198 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:37.519 initially in Oklahoma. And the the problem is what I saw was obscured by 199 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.839 a couple of branches, and I was looking at it straight on, and 200 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.799 this is a profile, yeah, frontal face, and this one's a profile, 201 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:51.880 So yeah, you couldn't compare that. But I mean, as far 202 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:59.480 as proportions and everything, it looks good. You know. Now, did 203 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:04.240 they have any any pictures of that profile not being there? Yeah, but 204 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:11.960 okay, there's none. That's the only image that has anything in it as 205 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:19.119 far as might be a bigfoot. The problem is that it's just such a 206 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:26.319 small amount to look at that It's like I don't know if it's paradolia. 207 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.039 It could just be something else, you know. One person said it looked 208 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.039 like a calf turning its head, and another person said it looked like somebody's 209 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:40.559 elbow wearing a puffy jacket as they're walking away. I mean, it could 210 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.839 be. It could be a bush that is being blown by the you know, 211 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.279 by the by the wind, and it comes into view and then when 212 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:49.839 the wind's that blowing intensively, it could go back, right. It could 213 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:56.039 be that. Yeah, there's some comparison shots, like I said, and 214 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.279 at least one or two of the comparison shots shows a deer, and based 215 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.920 on you know, going by the height of the deer, this thing would 216 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.200 be about five feet high off the ground. The face, okay, And 217 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:19.119 then there's another part that's visible in the photo that could possibly be a forearm. 218 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:25.119 Although I that's the one part that if anything looks bad on the photo 219 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.920 to me, it's the four on it. It's just kind of a straight 220 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:33.519 line. It looks like a like it almost looks like a two by four. 221 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.319 Yeah, I mean, it's just it's impossible to really say just from 222 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:44.079 the photo. In my opinion, Yeah, because I think that night I 223 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.759 posted the same I posted on big Foot Club and I and I and I 224 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.799 tagged you and me on it, and then No Bro responded on it if 225 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.000 we weren't going to have any of the investigators on our shows, and I 226 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:00.400 just simply stated that, you know, since the that was sent to you 227 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.960 by one of them, an investigator for their group, and then so at 228 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:11.079 that time it was now posted freely, so you know, we felt that 229 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.599 it was okay to talk about it openly about it. So, yes, 230 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.079 you and I used to be an investigators. So anyway, I just wanted 231 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:19.759 to say that, Yeah, and if you're listening and you want to check 232 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:23.720 out the photo, you can check it out on the big Foot Club Facebook 233 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:29.960 page. You can check it out on the Bigfoot Crossroads Facebook group or on 234 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:36.279 my Instagram or at the original source which is Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization on 235 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:41.640 Facebook. I actually went and read the report which has more information to it. 236 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:52.359 But again, so recently, one of No Bros. Researchers was mentioned 237 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:59.359 in a news article. Again, it's around Halloween news agency start running bigfoot 238 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:04.119 stories and because of that article, that's why they were sent this photo. 239 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:11.240 Somebody read the article and reached out to them. This is what they say. 240 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.839 This report comes from a witness who reached out to the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot 241 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:21.160 Research Organization through the Facebook page via private message. Here is the witness's testimony. 242 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.039 Hi, I just read an article about two encounters near McAllister, Oklahoma, 243 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.759 and one of your members were quoted in the article. I'm reaching out 244 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.960 because I have a trail camera picture from my farm that has some kind of 245 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.880 face profile on it. I am wondering if someone can look at the image 246 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:41.519 and help me understand what it is. Could be nothing, but my whole 247 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.319 family thinks it's a sasquatch face. We have also heard incredibly loud howls and 248 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.599 have seen eye reflection in our tree line that we're about nine feet off the 249 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:53.519 ground. I would prefer to not have my name or our location made public 250 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:59.519 if possible, just looking for some clarification for what we are experiencing. Thanks 251 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.960 for your time, respectfully, and then the name has been omitted, and 252 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.200 then a description of the photos. The first picture will be a large dough 253 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.720 that frequents this part of our property. We noted her head and shoulder position 254 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:17.559 for height reference. The camera is located about eight feet up on a tree 255 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.480 above the trail. The face picture also has what might be an arm and 256 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.559 a hand on the ground under the face. To us, it looks like 257 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.359 a face I ridge, nose, and chin with hair all over it. 258 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.759 We just don't know. We went out and measured the face from the ground 259 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:34.079 and it was between five and six foot based on the height of the back 260 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.880 of the deer and where it was about halfway between the deer and the camera. 261 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.279 What causes me problems is there are no animals on our farm that are 262 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:47.279 on this trail. Also, the camera triggered again, but nothing was on 263 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:51.079 the captured image. There has been some weird things over the past year. 264 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.759 We have had random branches broken off of trees all over the farm. It's 265 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:59.480 like they were just pulled straight down. Some were almost four inches in diameter 266 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.960 and we're a level feet high. Some were six or eight feet high. 267 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.680 Also had some big foot shaped dents in the ground, but NodD places, 268 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.559 like a left footprint right next to our woodshed with the instep facing the shed. 269 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.839 The dent was about three or four inches larger than my boot size twelve. 270 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:19.319 One night, my kids came and woke us up because they heard some 271 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:23.799 very loud hollering from a filled southwest of the house. We went and looked, 272 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.880 but couldn't find anything. We also found a pile of bones from some 273 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.799 armadillos and raccoons. I figured that was a bobcat or owl. We have 274 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:37.359 both species here and some are huge. And when we first bought the property, 275 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.119 my daughter said she saw what she thought was someone running past her window 276 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.839 between the barn and the house towards the woods. Again, we looked but 277 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.799 didn't find anything. This caused us to build a five foot fence and get 278 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.880 some large dogs. I do have a few cams now with video, but 279 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.599 since this image, we haven't had any visible things happen. Just the hollering 280 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.319 and I shine in the tree lines that interesting. I would really like to 281 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:06.079 go out there and look at this property. So I guess he doesn't want 282 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:10.599 anybody coming out to the property, but yet he wants to complain about it. 283 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:15.799 Yeah, just wants clarification on the photo, which, like I said, 284 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.440 the photo, it's just not enough. Now I'm going to let me 285 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:25.759 ask this question. Is no Bro any kind of affiliation with the Bfburrow. 286 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:32.319 No, No, they are totally independent, just based out of Oklahoma. 287 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.279 I don't know if they have any researchers outside of Oklahoma. I've known Evans 288 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:44.279 Bailey for a long time now. I consider him a very reliable and solid 289 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:49.359 person. Ryan White is one of the investigators on this particular case. I've 290 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:56.359 had him on here. And Troy Hudson is an investigator with them who's also 291 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:02.240 on this particular case. And Troy has been researching bigfoot in Oklahoma for as 292 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:06.079 long as I can remember. Well, they sound like some good dudes. 293 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:10.920 Yeah, it's a solid group. I mean, they'll they'll get to the 294 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:17.559 bottom of whatever there is to get to the bottom of. Here's one interesting 295 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:23.079 note. The tree that has the trail camera on it was located about thirty 296 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:30.519 feet behind a chicken coop, Okay, And it's it's on that trail because 297 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:36.079 it's a deer trail and the deer trail east to west or north south where 298 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.440 the trails cross, so it's like a crossing of deer trails right there by 299 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:44.799 a chicken coop. You know, It's always been my theory that that bigfoots 300 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.920 avoid trail camps. So maybe if this is actually a bigfoot, maybe was 301 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.000 walking in the area and say, oh oh, trail cam back away. 302 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.680 And then win another another direction. Because it's always been again, it's always 303 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.440 been my theory that they could see these trail cabs and avoid them at all 304 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.279 at all calls. Yeah, it could have triggered the camera and rise it 305 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:10.279 triggered it, realized it and froze and ran off. I don't know, 306 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:17.079 it's unfortunate that it wasn't a video trail camera. Yeah, you know, 307 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.160 they did state that they now have ones that have video on it. Video 308 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:27.680 is way more helpful because they also usually record sound. Yeah, with this, 309 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:32.200 with this photo, with the bigfoot's head being like five ft off the 310 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.359 ground, you know, we didn't we didn't talk about it. We talked 311 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:38.240 about it on my show because we were saying that our theory was that it 312 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.920 was on all fours right right, all four walking around. So that's the 313 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.839 reason why it was maybe five foot, because someone's gonna prop and say, 314 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.359 well, that's a that's a short bigfoot, it's a baby bigfoot or something, 315 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.240 you know, And so I just wanted to I wanted to make that 316 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:56.519 clear that we were that was our theory on it. So, yeah, 317 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.279 that's kind of why the other thing that's visible in the photo that they're calling 318 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:07.039 like a possible forearm. That's that's the belief that it was leaning forward on 319 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.240 its arms, or it was on all fours at the time that the photo 320 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.920 was taken. It's just at the very edge. I mean, mm hmmm. 321 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.839 You know, it's one of those things. It's probably going to ultimately 322 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.160 stay inconclusive. Well, hopefully this guy, you know, he changes this 323 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:33.519 trail cam to a video and starts getting like more stuff, So hopefully for 324 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.880 him, maybe he'll figure out what's going on in this property without you know, 325 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.160 asking for help or something. I mean, you know, the trail 326 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.559 cam thing, A lot of people talk about those. You know, there's 327 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.720 a lot of theories out there. I mean, you have your own opinion. 328 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:55.240 I have my own opinion. I can tell you this back whenever I 329 00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:02.240 was actively researching, members of the group that I was with had a ton 330 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:07.599 of trail cameras. I mean they probably had like seven to twelve trail cameras 331 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.480 put out in their area at any one moment. And this is back in 332 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:17.039 the day. Now, this is four digital cameras were in the trail cameras. 333 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.599 Yeah, you had an actual film camera and we would have to go 334 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:25.400 run to Walmart, you know, usually do the one hour processing because we 335 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.799 couldn't wait to get the photos, you know, because we're going to have 336 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.079 a big foot standing right in front of the camera, of course. And 337 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.480 that was always another thing. Well if you did get a photo of bigfoot, 338 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.319 would somebody at Walmart steal it and just not put it in your package? 339 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.920 You know, like that whole thing. Yeah, and those those were 340 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.279 big and bulky. Those were were they used to take sea batteries. Yeah, 341 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.559 you remember that. Yeah, And I mean anybody that's ever owned an 342 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.599 old flash camera, an old film camera knows that, like whenever you press 343 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.240 the button, it makes a lot of noise, it does. Yeah, 344 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.799 and these trail cameras were no different. You know, whenever something triggered them, 345 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:11.200 you know, they would start buzzing and wind up. And yeah, 346 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:18.680 but we would have this is gonna sound like a crazy exaggeration, but man, 347 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.240 it honestly seems this way. We would have like thousands of photos, 348 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.880 yeah, thousands, like over the course of like a year, and just 349 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:36.279 pouring over them with magnifying glasses because the vast majority, we're talking ninety eight 350 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:41.440 to ninety nine percent of them didn't have anything noticeable in them. Ever, 351 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:48.440 And we're talking broad daylight, not nighttime, broad daylight. And then, 352 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:53.599 of course years later you find out, okay, well, the vast majority 353 00:29:53.640 --> 00:30:00.839 of these cameras actually use body heat to set off the motion answers. That's 354 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.920 how they work. They don't actually project out an infrared beam, but they 355 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:15.279 detect infrared and whenever the temperature changes in this cone area out in front of 356 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:22.000 this camera, it comes out in basically a cone pattern about thirty feet. 357 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:27.279 If something goes through there and is a different temperature than the environment, the 358 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:34.640 camera triggers and back then the camera trigger response time wasn't even that great. 359 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.039 I mean, like a person walking by the camera like five feet away would 360 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:45.559 trigger the camera obviously, but there wouldn't be anything in that photo. So 361 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.640 we figured out that, like, well, we're getting a lot of pictures 362 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.359 at sun up, Well, that's because the sun's coming up and changing the 363 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.559 temperature of things and just setting the camera off. It's just causing the camera 364 00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:00.799 to go off, you know. Is that part of the problem. Is 365 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:06.640 part of the problem, just the fact that the odds of something walking rightly 366 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.720 in front of the camera to begin with aren't that great. And then you're 367 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:15.440 talking about something that's super intelligent and hyper aware of its surroundings. And you 368 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.960 know, hey, why is that plastic box on the side of the tree. 369 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.440 Where is it making so much noise? Yeah? What's that weird smell? 370 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.440 So I don't know, man, I don't know. Hopefully they'll get 371 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:32.240 to investigate the property, maybe some more evidents will show up, and maybe, 372 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:36.440 if we're really lucky, more images will show up, but probably not. 373 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:45.960 So are you ready to talk about the fabled Brown Springs? Yes, 374 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.359 I'm ready, I'm ready. I thought these other stories would be a good 375 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:55.400 build up to Brown Springs. Yeah. The kind of the theme of this 376 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:04.680 episode is Oklahoma Bigfoot rumors mm hmm. And I feel that Brown Springs is 377 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:10.599 one of those places that has a lot of rumors pushing the lore behind the 378 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:17.839 location. Yeah. Absolutely, I think there is some lore there from a 379 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.759 Gainsfield case. Is am I? Am I wrong? On it? Is? 380 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.079 There's a there's a Gainsfield case. And I've heard too, like two 381 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:34.079 different stories of a couple from gains from Gainesville went there, and I think 382 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.359 the boyfriend was killed either his neck was broken and the lady her legs were 383 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.240 bent back or something. Am I am I wrong? On that or is 384 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.640 that No, No, I mean that's the story. That's the story, 385 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.440 and that is I mean, it's a horrific tell I mean, before we 386 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:57.519 even get started trigger warning, we're gonna ready to talk about some stuff that 387 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.279 If little ones are listening, send them to bed, right. So, 388 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:09.519 Brown Springs. Brown Springs is a very old place. It's basically on the 389 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:15.759 north side of the Red River separating Oklahoma and Texas. It's in Love County, 390 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.839 Oklahoma, outside of a town called Thackerville, and then on the other 391 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.799 side of the river you got Gainesville, which also has a lot of its 392 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.559 own lore. On the south side, there's like the eighteen ninety three bridge 393 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:37.319 over there, something that has like tons of like old paranormal stories and bigfoot 394 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.119 stories attached to it. And this whole place, like I said, is 395 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:49.240 just very old and has lots of lore attached to it. And none of 396 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.519 it's good, none of it's good at all. But it's kind of like 397 00:33:53.720 --> 00:34:01.240 lbl It's one of those places that stories have kind of made it a destination 398 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.840 for bigfooters and bigfoot researchers over the years. And I don't know how much 399 00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:13.039 of it's really true. I know, I know for a fact, I've 400 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.239 actually been there. I've actually put boots on the ground there. If you 401 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.480 want to talk about that. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about your trip 402 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.079 to Brown Springs. What was your experience? So I went with and I 403 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:30.880 can say this because you know Ken Marvel's let me uh, one of the 404 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.559 one of the researchers that I was with at TBRC was Ken Marvel. And 405 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.360 there's another gentleman I'm not I'm not gonna say his name because I don't have 406 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.159 permission. So it was myself, Kin Marvel, this other gentleman that used 407 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.800 to be with the TBRC. And then I took my cousin and his wife. 408 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:52.039 My cousin was he was getting into bigfoot stuff and he wanted to go 409 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:59.079 on a bigfoot excursion. And so Ken Marvel had brought that story about the 410 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.960 Games of and and he asked me if I wanted to go check it out. 411 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.639 Now, this was whenever you were a member of the tb r C. 412 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.639 No, we had we had just left. I had just left the 413 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.760 tv r C. And so this was probably like two thousand I want to 414 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.360 say it's two thousand and five, two thousand and six. Now I have 415 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:21.440 notes detailed notes somewhere, but in my you know, in my condition and 416 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:22.840 stuff, it's somewhere. I cannot find it. I was looking. I 417 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.039 was looking for it this week, and I could not find it. So 418 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:30.480 there's detailed notes that this other gentleman was so graciously to He sat down and 419 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.599 wrote everything that happened to us there. And so whenever, whenever we got 420 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.280 there, and like this like you have to you have to, you know, 421 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.880 like this was before I started doing paranormal stuff, before I was recruited 422 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.880 to do the paranormal stuff. So as soon as as soon as we got 423 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.840 there, it was like it was during the day and we we we drove 424 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.400 we you know, we drove in. There's like a dirt road and then 425 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.519 then and then you then there's like the grass is like completely high by like 426 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.920 three four feet high, and it's like it's it was like in the wintertime, 427 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.920 and so this grass was like, you know, it looked like, 428 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.320 hey, if someone wanted to harvested for hey, they could probably do it. 429 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.639 And so it was least like three feet high, so it was pretty 430 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.280 high. And so once we drove in, we drove really close to the 431 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.719 to the Red River and parked and it was this was a dirt road, 432 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.679 and so so we ended up parking to like like next to a really really 433 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:30.079 big tree and I got out as soon as I got out that And this 434 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.480 is like before I started experiencing paranormal stuff. I had like a heavy feeling 435 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.199 like on my chest, like something was like pressing my chest in and I 436 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.320 was making it really hard to breathe. And now it kind of felt like 437 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.000 I was running like you run at full sprint and it stopped and then try 438 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:52.800 to talk and it just had a really heavy feeling there, like you know, 439 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.440 hey, I'm not supposed to be here now. Granted this was like 440 00:36:54.440 --> 00:37:00.639 like in the daytime, and I imagine it's a for feeling even at night 441 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.719 because there's no lights out there. Yeah. I was just thinking, like, 442 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.239 you guys just drove there and like you're with like you know, the 443 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:16.159 marvelous Kenny Marvel and like family and the other guy and everything. Like you 444 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:21.000 guys were probably in a fairly good mood I would imagine when you arrived. 445 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.840 Yeah, so that must have been quite the impression to step out of the 446 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:32.800 vehicle and just immediately switch gears like that. Yeah, And so once we 447 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.519 were there, I was, you know, I wanted to show my cousin. 448 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.840 We went, we went walking on on that side to look for any 449 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.039 kind of betting area because at the time we were thinking that this was, 450 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.719 you know, possibly a bigfoot area that they could have they could have some 451 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.960 betting. You know, we wanted to see any kind of because like there 452 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.920 was no cows there, so if there's any betting, the net's you know, 453 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.199 probably a good chance that there was probably like a bigfoot or a bigfoot 454 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.599 group passing through there. And so we eventually made our way to the Red 455 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.360 River, and at that time, the Red River had receded immensely and so 456 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.599 we could walk along this like this sand barge and it was like completely it 457 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.840 was open. So we were looking for like footprints, didn't see any at 458 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:22.199 the time, and you know, I didn't see like any at that time. 459 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.320 See, we walked maybe like a mile or a half mile down the 460 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:29.320 Red River and then came back. And as we were coming back, we're 461 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.039 gonna pull out some gear and maybe like you know, some pad and pins, 462 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.679 start writing some stuff down and stuff like that. And so as we 463 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.119 as we approached Ken Marvel's vehicle, there was a tree and it was. 464 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:43.360 It was a pretty big tree. And this was not like a like a 465 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.920 dead tree or anything. Matt. This tree is pushed over in front of 466 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:51.400 Ken Marvel's vehicle and it was like it was pushed over. The roots were 467 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.800 showing, and I wish I still had the pictures that I think the gentleman 468 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:59.679 that did all the notes had pictures of this. And this tree was pushed 469 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.159 over and it had just rained that morning too, like like before we got 470 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.639 there, so the soil was kind of soft and the wind wasn't blowing, 471 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.679 and it did not. It did not because this was the only tree that 472 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:13.639 was pushed over. It was pushed over in front of his vehicle, maybe 473 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.079 like I don't know, a foot in front of his front grille. And 474 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:23.440 around this vehicle was thirteen inch prints. Wow, they were wide, and 475 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.639 like I took off my hat. We took pictures of it. Like again, 476 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.159 I said, I wish I still had the pictures of this, and 477 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.639 uh, it was thirteen inch prints just walking around the vehicle and I and 478 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.639 I looked at it, and I looked at everybody else and everybody, you 479 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:38.920 know, we were kind of freaking out a little bit. And uh, 480 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:44.159 my cousin was going, Uh, I think it's time for us to go. 481 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.039 He was, he was ready to go. His wife wasn't, but 482 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:51.000 he was ready to go. And so at that time, I I with 483 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.079 with with the TVRC. I was known as the guy that could do a 484 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.280 like a bigfoot call. And so and Ken like looks at me and he 485 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.840 goes, hey, Bob, do you know do a call? And so 486 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.079 I did a call. I did like three calls. I yelled as loud 487 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.960 as I could. So we were we were on the Texas side of the 488 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.920 of the Red River, on the opposite side of the Red River. I 489 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.960 got. I got a response within seconds, and it sounded like it was 490 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.000 walking away because like it it gave me. I did three calls. It 491 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.400 did three calls back to me, and as as as as a as a 492 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.679 third call came, you could hear it, you know, further and further 493 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:34.639 faintly away. So apparently this thing came by saw us there, pushed the 494 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.079 tree over, walked around the vehicle across the Red River, waited for the 495 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:42.639 call, and then made calls back to me. At that time, So 496 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.559 that was that was my experience there. I mean, because like I later 497 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.840 looked on there looked at at the Brown Springs area, and so locally, 498 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.840 the the lore was that was that the Dallas mob used that as a as 499 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.000 a body dumping ground, right, so there was there was a lot there 500 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.840 was. That's that was that was the history there on that. So but 501 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:08.679 that was my experience there. Didn't you guys run into like a ranger or 502 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:13.800 something on the way out of there? I believe, I believe we did. 503 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.840 I believe we did. And it was we were telling them that we 504 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:21.480 were doing we were doing bigfoot stuff, and he was he was like hovering 505 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:22.960 around us. But we were leaving at the time anyway, So I mean, 506 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.159 had he got there before that, you know, he probably would have 507 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.920 hovered, you know, helicoptered over us and stuff. But I believe we 508 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.000 were we were on our way out whenever that happened. And I don't recall 509 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.000 his name. I'm sure it's in the notes that that gentleman provided, But 510 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.400 you know he left us alone after after he saw us leaving. So but 511 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:52.519 yeah, I mean, like you said, it's it had a history of 512 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.920 a place for people to dump bodies. Lots of bodies have been dumped there 513 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:02.239 over the years, and places that have that kind of lore and are used 514 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.119 for those kind of purposes, tend to attract other people that you know, 515 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:12.320 do stupid stuff, illegal activities, what not, and who have you. 516 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.360 And there's a lot of history of you know, Satan worshippers going out there 517 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:23.119 to perform rituals and stuff. I know there was a story about some people 518 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:28.360 that went out there and found like a bloody knife stuck in a tree, 519 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.000 just all kinds of weird stuff. Man. I will say this, like 520 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.039 as soon as we got out of the vehicle and we walked down to the 521 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.800 Red River, I did see needles, like on the ground. There were 522 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.880 there were there were some needles. So we were telling everybody be careful walking 523 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.519 around. Make sure because everybody, you know, anytime we went out and 524 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.840 did stuff, we I would wear like, you know, heavy boots, 525 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.679 like steel toe boots and stuff like that, so make sure I was covered 526 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.000 from snakes and stuff, but snake boots and stuff. But uh, yeah, 527 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.559 I did see some needles on the ground, So I thought for I 528 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.440 thought it was I was feeling that sensitive about you know, that negative energy 529 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:13.239 there on that so just kind of odd because like I was later after I 530 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.119 thought about it, because I think I did a show on it on on 531 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.239 my podcast, and I was we were talking about the possibility of you know, 532 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.320 the bodies that were being dumbed there, that we're bigfoots attracted to it 533 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.000 because you know, you know the story about there's always like like reports on 534 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:37.599 bigfoots being attracted to cemeteries for some reason, right, And so we we 535 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.840 had I come up with the ideas that well, maybe you know, bigfoots 536 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.719 are attracted to the area because you know, there's so many there's so many 537 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:49.119 bodies buried here, and uh, you know, there's probably I don't know, 538 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.719 some kind of energy that's some negative energy that's in that area, and 539 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:59.639 so that that had somehow maybe attracted bigfoots, or bigfoots may use it, 540 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.400 you know, well, like I've said, this is just conjecture, may 541 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:07.199 use it as a weapon, you know, to weaponize you know, the 542 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.480 fear of people seeing a bigfoot or just people just having the experience in general 543 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.480 with all the bodies that have been dumbed there. First off, there's a 544 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:23.840 cemetery there, very old cemetery this place. So originally it was just used 545 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:29.400 as a ferry crossing location for people between Texas and Oklahoma. Crossing the Red 546 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:35.679 River. Nobody really settled at the spring itself, which is kind of weird 547 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.679 because it was kind of a great place to settle, but because of the 548 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.679 location of the river, I guess there was too much flooding that happened, 549 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:50.920 so they had to settle farther back. But like early families that like settled 550 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.599 around there, you know, found human bones and pottery and all kinds of 551 00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:04.679 stuff, Native American artifacts, things of that nature. I can't help but 552 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:13.239 wonder if this isn't just one of those places where it's just a bad place, 553 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:19.159 you know. Yeah. Yeah, So anything in the area mentally, 554 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.480 spiritually gets messed with, and so that's why you have some of the kind 555 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:29.320 of reports that you have, because, I mean the kind of reports that 556 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.119 come from this area, I mean it's one of those places where there's a 557 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.400 little bit of everything and it's always negative. There's nothing really positive about it. 558 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:45.519 Thatckerville baby Thackerville. I've never been there personally. I mean I've driven 559 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.840 by there, but I didn't go down the road or anything like that. 560 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:58.559 Yeah, obviously I've known people very close people that went there that describe the 561 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:05.400 same thing you're describing, know, a horrible anxiety, doom type, feeling 562 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:09.960 very heavy. People that I know who I mean, I've been out in 563 00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.440 the middle of nowhere with They're not afraid of the dark. Let's just put 564 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.400 it that way. Yeah, they'll stand their ground in some pretty hairy situations 565 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:24.679 I've witnessed at firsthand. These people talk about when the sun goes down at 566 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.280 Brown Springs, they left. Yeah, they didn't want to be there after 567 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.199 dark. It just bothered them that bad. I can't imagine. I can't 568 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.199 imagine, because when I was there during the daytime, it felt, it 569 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:42.079 felt, you know, it was noticeable, and I wish I had talked 570 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.000 about it to Kenny and the other gentleman and my cousin. And I know 571 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.840 my cousin wanted to leave. I know that was pretty clear. It's pretty 572 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.639 evident he wanted to leave. But I should probably get back with him to 573 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.719 see how he felt whenever he was there, because some of the ideas that 574 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:04.480 I had about, you know, infrasound and DMF, you know, kind 575 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.480 of originated there, you know. Any because I later went back, I 576 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.159 said, well, hey, maybe I need to do a second look on 577 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.000 this and find out why, you know, I was feeling this way at 578 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.480 that particular time, because whenever I started doing paranormal stuff, that was the 579 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.840 feeling I got. And then I was talking to another person that I was 580 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:28.480 doing interview with and he was talking about how how scared he was and how 581 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.360 it was overwhelming to him and he could not breathe. And but you know, 582 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.239 so I kinda and then and then you know, we end up doing 583 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:37.480 a show with you and we talked about that, and I don't know, 584 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:43.480 it kind of just launched that idea out to start talking about it openly about 585 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.480 it. So, I mean, we know some people that are kind of 586 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.639 actively researching it still to this day. That location. Yeah, yeah, 587 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:58.480 planning trips there, have been there recently, have experienced things there recently that 588 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.559 I ain't some pretty crazy stuff handprints on vehicles, uh, shadow people, 589 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.559 dog sounds like, all kinds of crazy stuff. Man. Yeah, No, 590 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.480 I know, I've been invited, like in the last couple of years, 591 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.599 like a lot to go out there. And at the time, and 592 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.599 if anybody knows my you know knows my story that I had a heart I 593 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.679 had to I had to start walking again, so my my footing is not 594 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:29.000 that great. So I've been asked to go out there recently. I said, 595 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:30.719 man, I can't even I can't even walk on pavement, dude, 596 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.800 I mean you want me to walk, you know, in the woods and 597 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.599 stuff. But at that time, you know, I'm doing better now, 598 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:38.800 but at that time I was. I was asked to go out there and 599 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.079 hang out, and I said, man, I can't do it. I 600 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.079 wish I could, but I could not. But you know, i'd like, 601 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.880 I'd like to go back out there. Yeah, I wouldn't suggest just 602 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:55.840 you know that being my first trip getting back on the saddle, I think 603 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:01.679 i'd pick a nicer location, maybe a nice day trip somewhere. Yeah. 604 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.159 Yeah, I'd like to do a show out there. Actually, it'd be 605 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:13.039 neat to do podcasts, so I did. I did a podcast over at 606 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.559 Goatman's Bridge this past year, and that was a pretty interesting experience. So 607 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:24.400 yeah, you got an interesting occurrence happened out there. Yeah, yeah, 608 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:28.840 it was. It was pretty strange and uh, but you know, at 609 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.519 that time, it was like that that bridge gets inundated with inpressing on the 610 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:36.599 weekends with high school kids, so they want to go experience paranormal stuff, 611 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.800 and so it was kind of flooded with people. But I did have a 612 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.559 e v P where we're on the bridge, and I did have an e 613 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.719 VP of something snarling in the background, and it was I was talking to 614 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:52.079 the guy and we were I was asking him questions about because he walked off 615 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.840 into the woods, and I was asking him questions, and it was somebody 616 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.360 right next to him snarling, And it wasn't even it wasn't him. He 617 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.119 was you know, you can tell it's his voice and another voice, and 618 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:04.800 we were the only two people in that area talking, so it was kind 619 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:09.079 of strange. Yeah, that's very strange. I would definitely be interested in 620 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:15.800 hearing somebody try to do like an EVP session at Brown Springs. Yeah, 621 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:21.119 that actually be a great idea, great idea. I would love that too. 622 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.760 I looked up some information on Brown Springs. You know, a lot 623 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:31.159 of the information is kind of lost over the years. You know, there 624 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:37.679 was a guy named Butch Bridges who was really the main investigator of Brown Springs 625 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.119 historically, not like a bigfoot researcher, but just the lore and the history. 626 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:50.760 And looking up some of his stuff, I actually found some just a 627 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:58.400 basically a database of emails that had been sent to him back in the day 628 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.880 about people just sharing their stories about brown springs, and I ran across some 629 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:08.480 pretty interesting ones. Okay. One says the pipe coming from the spring was 630 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:15.119 originally placed there by John August Polt, who came to North Texas from Munster, 631 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.880 Germany in the mid eighteen hundreds. He resided primarily in Gainesville, Texas. 632 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.679 The cemetery began with a tribe of American Indians. I have reason to 633 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:29.079 believe they were Creek. The chief had teenage twin daughters. He had picked 634 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.639 husbands for them, but the girls did not agree with his choice. He 635 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.159 told them if they could dance from sundown to sun up, they could marry 636 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.880 the men of their choosing. The chief did not know the girls both had 637 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:44.039 heart defects, and both died on the spot shortly before sun up. They 638 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:49.119 were buried where they fell in the Creek tradition marked with identical cedar juniper trees 639 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.320 with a rock wall placed around them to buy them for eternity. This story 640 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.400 was passed down through the generations of my family. A tornado in the early 641 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.280 seventies uprooted the trees and took down part of the rock wall. Now that's 642 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.719 just lore. We can't prove any of that is true, right, but 643 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:13.880 assuming that it is a tornado in the early seventies uprooted the trees and took 644 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.920 down part of the rock wall. I mean, right there, man, 645 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.320 you got a reason for bad stuff to start happening right there. Yep, 646 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:27.119 yep. Here's one that says about twenty three years ago, me and my 647 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.519 wife and her brother were riding around and ended up at the place middle of 648 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.920 the day. Parked the car at the bottom of the hill where the water 649 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.519 comes out, climbed up the hill. Was only one faint trail into the 650 00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.760 woods, over the barbed wire fence and to the cemetery. The farther we 651 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.400 walked in the trees, the darker it got. Then we started noticing graves 652 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:52.320 that were dug up. A few bones were scattered around. We got spooked 653 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:58.199 and headed back to the car, only to find now the trail was full 654 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:05.360 of sticker patches thorn bushes, and I was barefooted. The stickers weren't there 655 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.599 on the way in. Then the car wasn't where we left it. It 656 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:15.360 was down the road. I can't explain it, but we all remember parking 657 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.440 there. Got the heck out of there. Haven't been back since we still 658 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:24.519 get chill bumps when we talk about it. Oh bit, I mean that's 659 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.480 some blair witch stuff. Dude. It's a lot of energy to move a 660 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:37.360 vehicle, and man, that's manipulate the environment. I mean, yeah. 661 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:45.000 This one took place on Christmas in twenty thirteen. My family decided to take 662 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.199 a trip to the cemetery and to see what it was all about. What 663 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.920 a pleasant way to spend Christmas with the family. Let's go to an old, 664 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.719 creepy cemetery. There were five of us. As we arrived in the 665 00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.480 cemetery, it was very uncomfortable, feeling as if somebody or some one did 666 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.519 not want us there. Me personally, I became very weak in my legs, 667 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.800 as if all my energy was being sucked out of me. At the 668 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.920 same time, my twelve year old daughter was experiencing the same thing. My 669 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.840 mother was snapping continuous pictures with her smartphone while me and Emily were not feeling 670 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.840 right. At that point, my daughter heard a little girl laughing. She 671 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.159 asked if I heard that. I did not hear it. I was a 672 00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:29.239 little ways away from her. We decided it was time to go. Everyone 673 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.119 had the feeling that it was time and not feeling right. As we were 674 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:36.880 getting into the jeep, you could hear a loud howl almost sounded like a 675 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.320 sasquatch as it was following us down the hill. Everyone heard it and freaked 676 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:45.840 out. It was in a coyote for sure. As we were viewing mom's 677 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.239 pictures, we became ecstatic. In one of the pictures, you could see 678 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.119 a tall slender man walking beside my daughter like they were taking a walk down 679 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.559 the park path. I thought, wow, that's pretty cool. Maybe not 680 00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:01.800 as skeptical as I used to be. As we viewed other pictures, we 681 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.880 saw flurries of orbs looking like snow. There were thousands of them, and 682 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.320 you could see faces in them. Now that's even creepier, knowing we were 683 00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:15.880 surrounded by these balls of energy that would explain you know, them not feeling 684 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:22.119 good. I mean, all the orbs. And then this one. This 685 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:29.880 is one that I had heard before and have talked about on several occasions. 686 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.239 This person says to tell I got about Brown Springs involved a nameless family in 687 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:39.199 southern Oklahoma at the turn of the century. These kind of people would kill 688 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.280 unwary travelers and rob them. The men in this clan of evil people would 689 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.840 imprison, torture, rape, and eventually kill any unwary women that they had 690 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:53.079 a chance to capture. The patriarch of the family would break in the females 691 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.880 born to the clan and then pass them around to other uncles, brothers, 692 00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.480 cousins, etc. Where he goes that One day a Chalktaw girl was abducted 693 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.360 by the patriarch and raped. The girl fled after she escaped, and the 694 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.360 elders of her family came back in the night and captured the patriarch. The 695 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:15.079 girl's family staked the evil man to the ground and sliced open his belly so 696 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:20.840 that melusiphileia, or the man dog of that area could have a good meal 697 00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:25.320 without having to work for it nlusiphileia, which translates to long evil being or 698 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.800 long wicked person. Anyway, the girl's family came back the next morning, 699 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.920 and sure enough, the evil man's soft organs, the heart, liver, 700 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.840 and kidneys were missing, and his intrails were spread all over the place. 701 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.800 The girl's family then took the body of the evil patriarch and threw it into 702 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.440 the brown spring to curse the spring to anyone that would rely on it for 703 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.599 water, namely the bad guys in the area. It is said that the 704 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.199 evil patriarch's family still has descendants in the area and that his ghost haunts the 705 00:56:53.239 --> 00:57:01.480 area at night. Wow. So when whenever a kid in Marvel, the 706 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.719 marvelous Marv asked me to go to Brown Springs, this is the story he 707 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.760 read to me to entice me to go. So this story right here, 708 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.760 how far back was this was the story? The history of the story itself 709 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:22.480 says it was at the turn of the century. Now, this story was 710 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.880 an email submitted to the guy that did all the research, Butcher Roofs, 711 00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:32.280 And it was submitted by a person who worked for the local sheriff's department and 712 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:39.800 had known a descendant of the family and was like investigating that case. There 713 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:45.760 was a very brutal rape case that they were investigating at the time whenever they 714 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:52.960 uncovered this story and this information. Now, with that being said, part 715 00:57:53.039 --> 00:58:00.159 of that would be the woman's body that was found in nineteen ninety sen on 716 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:07.960 the hood of her car. That's the story that got me interested in Brown 717 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:15.960 Springs and terrifies me about the place. If it is true, and the 718 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:21.360 email that I just read supports it being true, which bothers me even more. 719 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:29.400 Yeah, as the story goes, a couple were parked at Brown Springs 720 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:38.480 somewhere, you know, doing what couples do in the dark, and apparently 721 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:47.440 they were attacked. They were killed. The boyfriend's body his head was twisted 722 00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:54.159 around or his body was twisted around, and the woman was found dead on 723 00:58:54.199 --> 00:59:05.079 the hood of the car and looked as though she had been sexually assaulted, 724 00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:09.320 raped whatever you want to call it, and attacked by some sort of creature 725 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:23.159 not a person. It was a very brutal thing. And supposedly the people 726 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:37.320 investigating the physical evidence that they retrieved from the crime scene did not test as 727 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:43.599 human, meaning like primate or something. Yeah, okay, so this is 728 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:49.519 a cold case, so you know, you can't really access any of the 729 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:55.239 information. It was secondhand information whenever I heard it. It supposedly came from 730 00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:04.639 someone who was involved in the investigation, were involved in the department that held 731 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:10.119 the investigation, the local sheriff or whatever this was. This came from like 732 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:15.840 a deputy or someone who worked in the deputy's office or something. And I 733 01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:19.599 don't know, man, I mean, it's brutal, but like I mean, 734 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:24.400 that was the first place that I ever heard stories of Nelusa filea, 735 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:31.639 which translates to long evil beings, which if you look them up, the 736 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:37.199 description of them kind of matches a dog man. And that was kind of 737 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.880 the rumor, you know, Yeah, do you think maybe this was like 738 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:45.079 like they this they didn't they didn't know what a big foot was and they 739 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:49.400 just caught it a dog man, you think. I don't know, because 740 01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:54.000 see I've read different descriptions of them, and depictions of them show them as 741 01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:58.519 like more of a canine and not a bigfoot. They have like these really 742 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:02.679 long pointed ears and stuff. Yeah, I don't know, man. And 743 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.960 then I you know, I had heard like another story coming out of there 744 01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:15.440 about another couple. But this couple got to their car they were being chased. 745 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.119 This thing was like standing at the tree line and they were like in 746 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:23.239 the middle of a field in the area, and they saw it and they 747 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:28.719 jumped up and ran to their car. This thing came after them. They 748 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.519 got in the car, they were driving off, and they came to like 749 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:37.440 a t in the road to leave the area, and this thing busted the 750 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.719 window and killed the guy that was behind the steering wheel, and the girl 751 01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:49.119 was able to get over and get control of the vehicle and drove home. 752 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:55.320 And I guess her parents called the cops or something. I mean, I 753 01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.360 don't know. You know, these are all just stories. Yeah, you 754 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.199 knew, like I was telling you, kid Marvel, Kid Marvel enticed me 755 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.840 to go to the ground Springs with with the the the dog man story and 756 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:13.199 the one uh with the with the couple with both being dead. He enticed 757 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:15.880 me with both of these stories, and he had he had brought it to 758 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.480 my attention. He goes, we we should go there, and I said, 759 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.320 uh, And I didn't know anything anything about Brown Springs at the time, 760 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.639 and I said I go, hey, yeah, let's go. And 761 01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:30.880 so I just jumped aboard and went So it's funny how you know it resurfaces 762 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:34.920 and U tell that story again. So it kind of made me. I 763 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.960 had a flashbacks of being there again. So you just saying those those two 764 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:44.760 stories. So I mean, it's it's a crazy story. Yeah, you 765 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.440 know, is it true? I don't know, That's what I'm saying, 766 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.199 Like, it's these rumors that has kind of created this lore around this place. 767 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:59.039 But then whenever you talk to people who actually visit the location, a 768 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.599 lot of them experience and things. Yeah, I mean, I would say 769 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:07.159 this, Matt. I've been. I've been in Louisiana. I've been in 770 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.760 Texas, East Texas. I've been in Southeast Texas. I've been in all 771 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:16.000 over Oklahoma, and I've been in Arkansas. I've been in Ohio, North 772 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:22.599 Carolina. This place, brown Springs, is probably bar none, the scariest 773 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.280 place I've ever been. And I've been, Like I said, I've been 774 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:28.840 a lot of areas. I've been staking out areas, you know, whenever 775 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:30.840 someone has a siding report, we used to go out and sit in an 776 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.920 area to see if there's any activity. And I've been in like in create 777 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.159 like dry out creek beds, on ridges, you know, on tree lines, 778 01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:43.760 in electrical rideaways, gas ride aways, you know, sometimes by myself, 779 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.840 and that's scary. But the Brown Springs place, it's like bar none, 780 01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.639 the craziest place I've ever been. And I've only been there once. 781 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:58.079 People have heard me talk about the dead End Road in Texas and it's inside 782 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:02.079 the Angelina National Forest, and that place is the scariest place I've ever been. 783 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:08.280 Now, I was there a lot. I went there many times. 784 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.800 I know other people that have been there many times. And I will say 785 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:16.599 this, I know people that have gone there and experienced absolutely nothing and felt 786 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:25.360 fun. I know two knuckleheads from Texas. You know them too, Logan 787 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:29.639 and Steven, who went down there and sat in the dark and ate pie 788 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.320 in the middle of the night at the dead End Road, which sounds ludicrous 789 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:41.320 to me, but they didn't have any issues. And I know that quite 790 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.519 a few people, you know, because on a former podcast I was involved 791 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.639 with, we talked about Brown Springs and we told the stories and everything, 792 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:54.960 and it got some attention. It got some traction in the bigfoot world, 793 01:04:55.039 --> 01:05:00.719 especially, and I know that people have kind of built a reputation for themselves 794 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:05.880 for being investigators at Brown Springs and oh, it's nothing and it's not anything 795 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:11.280 evil and it's nothing like that, and that's fine. Maybe it's not for 796 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:14.880 them, Maybe it is for someone else. Maybe it used to be, 797 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.199 maybe it's not anymore. I don't know, but I can tell you that 798 01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:26.480 the dead End has a history of bad things happening there. There used to 799 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:34.360 be a sawmill there that slaves were used in the labor process and have been 800 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:41.239 buried in the area whenever they died or were killed, and Lynchings took place 801 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.519 at the dead End, and I've experienced some paranormal stuff at the dead End, 802 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.199 and the dead End, which to me sounds very much like Brown Springs, 803 01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:55.199 is one of those places that just has a lot of negative energy. 804 01:05:55.400 --> 01:06:00.280 Yeah, and it's just a bad ju ju place, and then has bigfoot 805 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:05.559 stuff there too, and then has bigfoot stuff there too, and and potentially 806 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:12.559 dog Manu Laurie Phillips saw a dog man down there. Wow. So I 807 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:18.440 mean, both of these places have a lot of similarities and I just can't 808 01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:26.119 help but wonder if you know there's places like that just around the world that 809 01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:33.880 are just these negative energy spaces where bad stuff happens or it causes bad stuff 810 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:36.920 to happen. I've always wanted to go, and I'm going on off subject 811 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.800 really quick here. I always wanted to go, like to Scotland and England 812 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:43.960 and go to the castle's there. So I imagine the energy there because it's 813 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:48.039 like hundreds and hundred and centuries of bad stuff happened there. Yeah, So 814 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:50.519 that's always been one of my deals. So, I mean, I don't 815 01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:55.519 know for some reason, brown Springs, for being only there one time, 816 01:06:55.639 --> 01:07:00.639 it has a huge influence on me on the paranormal. For me and the 817 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.079 Bigfoot, it was like, uh, it opened a lot of it opened 818 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.800 a lot. It opened me up to a lot because at the time I 819 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.039 was I was, I was with the TVR Sea and we were flesh and 820 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:15.039 blood completely and that's the way we thought. So when I when I went 821 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.079 there and for the very first time and had that, it opened up. 822 01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:21.920 It opened me up to a lot of possibilities because it was just I had 823 01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:28.199 so many questions and not enough answers. I mean something that you and I 824 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:31.079 have both talked about just recently on your show as a matter of fact, 825 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:43.440 some people being more receptive or sensitive to paranormal events and strange events in general. 826 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.679 Mm hm. And so that might be the case at these type places 827 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:57.679 where certain people can have these experiences or will have these experiences on occasion where 828 01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:03.599 other people just aren't receptive to it. You know, if you're deaf, 829 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:10.239 you don't hear stuff, you know, absolutely, So it might be some 830 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.320 situation like that where whatever it is that allows some people to experience these things, 831 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:20.840 other people just don't have it or who knows, but there's something to 832 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:27.359 it. All These people wouldn't be sending in these emails and sharing those stories 833 01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:31.960 if they didn't experience things there. So if people are still researching the area, 834 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.000 best of luck to them. I look forward to seeing what they have. 835 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:42.479 And if someone listening has experienced something that Brown springs, email me and 836 01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:45.039 tell me about it. I'd love to hear about it. So where can 837 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:51.560 people find the fabulous Bigfoot Club podcast. They can find it by going to 838 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:59.199 www. Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. How did I know you were going to 839 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:06.119 say that? They can check out your merch all your old episodes, and 840 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:12.840 just you know, subscribe and comment, leave a five star review. Yeah, 841 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.720 for Big Crossroads. 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