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Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive. Stephanie Leidaker is go host to the first
season of The Piked and Massacre for iHeartRadio. Also created development, executive produced
projects with T ANDT, Oxygen, Lifetime, A and E Networks along with
Courtney Armstrong. The newest project is called The Idaho Massacre and it is a
podcast that can be heard on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts.
Good morning, ladies, good good morning. We're happy to be here.
Nice. Thank you for having us late, Courtney, Let's start with you
the Pike of the Idaho Massacre. Let's review this case because I think everybody,
everybody who had kids in college was on edge about this time. Yeah,
I mean, it really hits such a nerve, and for great reason,
Like you said, anyone who had kids in college or dreamed of going
to college, or we're in college. It's such a unique time where you're
literally finding your way and you're just cocooned in this what should be a wonderfully
safe place and then out of seemingly the blue, the unthinkable happens, and
these four students so full of life, you know, are are murdered with
and steps to deaths in a really short amount of time, and in one
home, Stephanie, this wasn't University of New York, this wasn't University of
Chicago, this wasn't Georgetown, all downtown inter urban universities. This was Idaho,
for heaven's sakes. And I think that's a been piece of it.
There's this presumed level of security and safety that you have in need beautiful small
towns, and get into Courtney's point, it was the most ideal at place
and remains. So it's been a town that's been ripped apart, but have
really stayed strong together. And also the idea that these kids, there were
four that were that were murdered, and they had two other roommates, and
to say that they were close, it's such an understatement, you know,
if you've had the benefit of seeing any photographs of them while alive, they
were the most beautiful, loving friends, best friends. In fact, two
of the victims, Kaylee and Madison, were childhood best friends. So they
sort of lived this life that from an outsider looking in, was nothing shy
of perfect. In fact, one of them was graduating and moving on and
had already gotten a new job, and Kaylee was going to have a you
know, her room to herself for the first time. Like there was really
when you think of university life, they seemed to live the most perfect version
of it. So for that to be taken so viciously and in a way
that is such an overkill, it's just impossible to wrap your brain around.
We're talking about the brutal murders at the University of Idaho almost a year ago.
Stephanie Lydaker and Courtney Armstrong and produced podcast about it, a true crime
podcast called the Idaho Massacre. This is a true crime, Courtney. Now,
I remember when all of this was happening, the authorities kept their information
very close to their vest, which usually tells me they knew right away who
their man was. You know, it's interesting you bring that up, and
you're so exactly right, because you know, some people in the media or
you know, just members online. We're giving officials some flak about that,
but it is so important to keep things close to their chests sometimes, you
know, in law enforcement, so you know your gut that they quickly knew
who they were narrowing and on. You know, we'll know for sure when
trial comes up. But I think that's a really good point. Yeah,
I don't I don't know that. Well, I was just say I don't
know that. I was just gonna say I don't know that. But generally,
when I am reporting upon cases like this, when they come out and
say, okay, we're seeking information on this individual, they don't know,
but and they do know, they don't ask for anything because they don't want
to let they don't want to let the potential suspects flee or go into hiding.
Exactly we happen to know because you know, we work on a lot
of open true crime, open investigations. Oftentimes the the accused or the killer
is watching the news, right or their family members are watching the news.
So of course you know, you don't want to have your investigation interrupted in
any way. You obviously don't want to share key things so that the killer
can, you know, course correct and take a different path. I think
in this case also the idea that the accused his name is Brian Coburger,
who who, by the way, claims his innocence, and we have to
be very clear about that. He has not been proven guilty, even though
he has been you know, it's been discussed so you know worldwide about the
type of the type of accused he is, because he is again just so
ordinary from the outside looking in, you know, from a nice family,
had a very upwardly mobile life, was getting his PhD degree, and in
the neighboring town, had so much potential to be anything he wanted to be.
And again, if you were sitting next to him on the error on
an airplane for example, or if you were you know, working next to
him in the cubicle, you would not take him for someone and I don't
know who he would, but you wouldn't take him for the person who's committing
mass murder and then just going about his day the next the next morning.
And it appears, if this is true, that that's what happened. You
commit mass murder, a major overkill. Literally the walls of the home were
bleeding from that much blood. And then this man allegedly went back and was
a teacher's assistant and kind of carried on his business, and his dad came
to town as he had planned to do, to drive back home to back
east to where he's from for Thanksgiving. You know, if you've gone to
college, you know what a unique time period that is. Everyone's in finals
and at the final stretch before before finally getting a break for the holidays.
There's an energy about that, and you know, he really, he really
took advantage of that. And you know, our heart's really you know,
first and foremost want to say, our hearts go out to the family members
of all the victims. Stephanie lydacurs with this Courtney Armstrong as well, host
of the true crime podcast The Idaho Massacre, and a Courtney all of these
students did they all live together in this one dwelling. So three the three
girls did, and that was Kaylee Gonsalvez. She was twenty year old excuse
me, twenty one year old senior, her lifelong childhood best friend, Madison
Mogin, and then Zanna car Noodle, So the three of them lived together,
and then Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, the fourth victim, was just
visiting for the night and so they were all stabbed inside the girls off campus
house on King's Road, which is right off of fraternity Row the Idaho Master.
So I'm sorry we're getting all mixed up because of the delay, But
go ahead, Stephanie. Now I'm just going to say where they lived,
and there were two other roommates that they lived with as well, was sort
of like the fun house they had lived in, a you know, an
off campus, perfect ideal at home. You know, they would have as
you would imagine parties, and you know, you look at photographs of them,
and they were so alive and loved and seemed to have the perfect college
experience. And to see how this story ends is really nothing short of shocking.
And Stephanie, do we know do we have a motive and do we
have a connection with the alleged murderer? With the murder the only at this
point, and we have to assume that in trial we will find a better
one. The accused suggests that he has an alibi, first and foremost,
that's new information. We don't know much more about that quite yet, and
we will a trial. But for the motives, that's the sticky part of
this. The motive is not very obvious. There's some potential link between social
media. The inference would be that maybe the accused admired one or all of
them from a distance and had sort of a one sided relationship with them via
social media because we're so fun and lively and seems to have such a great
life, and if the accused has less so of a social, happy,
fun life, maybe he was just kind of a stalker from away who was
kind of becoming obsessed with one, if not all of them. Stephanie Light
Occur along with Courtney Armstrong. The true crime podcast The Idaho Massacre fascinating to
listen to on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts. Ladies, thanks
for joining us, thanks here for having us, Thanks for listening to later
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