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This is Later with Lee Matthews,
the Lee Matthews Podcast More What You Here

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Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive.
Stephanie Leidaker is go host to the first

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season of The Piked and Massacre for
iHeartRadio. Also created development, executive produced

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projects with T ANDT, Oxygen,
Lifetime, A and E Networks along with

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Courtney Armstrong. The newest project is
called The Idaho Massacre and it is a

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podcast that can be heard on the
iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts.

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Good morning, ladies, good good
morning. We're happy to be here.

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Nice. Thank you for having us
late, Courtney, Let's start with you

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the Pike of the Idaho Massacre.
Let's review this case because I think everybody,

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everybody who had kids in college was
on edge about this time. Yeah,

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I mean, it really hits such
a nerve, and for great reason,

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Like you said, anyone who had
kids in college or dreamed of going

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to college, or we're in college. It's such a unique time where you're

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literally finding your way and you're just
cocooned in this what should be a wonderfully

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safe place and then out of seemingly
the blue, the unthinkable happens, and

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these four students so full of life, you know, are are murdered with

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and steps to deaths in a really
short amount of time, and in one

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home, Stephanie, this wasn't University
of New York, this wasn't University of

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Chicago, this wasn't Georgetown, all
downtown inter urban universities. This was Idaho,

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for heaven's sakes. And I think
that's a been piece of it.

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There's this presumed level of security and
safety that you have in need beautiful small

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towns, and get into Courtney's point, it was the most ideal at place

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and remains. So it's been a
town that's been ripped apart, but have

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really stayed strong together. And also
the idea that these kids, there were

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four that were that were murdered,
and they had two other roommates, and

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to say that they were close,
it's such an understatement, you know,

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if you've had the benefit of seeing
any photographs of them while alive, they

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were the most beautiful, loving friends, best friends. In fact, two

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of the victims, Kaylee and Madison, were childhood best friends. So they

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sort of lived this life that from
an outsider looking in, was nothing shy

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of perfect. In fact, one
of them was graduating and moving on and

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had already gotten a new job,
and Kaylee was going to have a you

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know, her room to herself for
the first time. Like there was really

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when you think of university life,
they seemed to live the most perfect version

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of it. So for that to
be taken so viciously and in a way

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that is such an overkill, it's
just impossible to wrap your brain around.

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We're talking about the brutal murders at
the University of Idaho almost a year ago.

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Stephanie Lydaker and Courtney Armstrong and produced
podcast about it, a true crime

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podcast called the Idaho Massacre. This
is a true crime, Courtney. Now,

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I remember when all of this was
happening, the authorities kept their information

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very close to their vest, which
usually tells me they knew right away who

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their man was. You know,
it's interesting you bring that up, and

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you're so exactly right, because you
know, some people in the media or

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you know, just members online.
We're giving officials some flak about that,

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but it is so important to keep
things close to their chests sometimes, you

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know, in law enforcement, so
you know your gut that they quickly knew

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who they were narrowing and on.
You know, we'll know for sure when

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trial comes up. But I think
that's a really good point. Yeah,

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I don't I don't know that.
Well, I was just say I don't

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know that. I was just gonna
say I don't know that. But generally,

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when I am reporting upon cases like
this, when they come out and

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say, okay, we're seeking information
on this individual, they don't know,

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but and they do know, they
don't ask for anything because they don't want

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to let they don't want to let
the potential suspects flee or go into hiding.

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Exactly we happen to know because you
know, we work on a lot

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of open true crime, open investigations. Oftentimes the the accused or the killer

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is watching the news, right or
their family members are watching the news.

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So of course you know, you
don't want to have your investigation interrupted in

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any way. You obviously don't want
to share key things so that the killer

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can, you know, course correct
and take a different path. I think

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in this case also the idea that
the accused his name is Brian Coburger,

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who who, by the way,
claims his innocence, and we have to

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be very clear about that. He
has not been proven guilty, even though

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he has been you know, it's
been discussed so you know worldwide about the

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type of the type of accused he
is, because he is again just so

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ordinary from the outside looking in,
you know, from a nice family,

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had a very upwardly mobile life,
was getting his PhD degree, and in

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the neighboring town, had so much
potential to be anything he wanted to be.

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And again, if you were sitting
next to him on the error on

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an airplane for example, or if
you were you know, working next to

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him in the cubicle, you would
not take him for someone and I don't

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know who he would, but you
wouldn't take him for the person who's committing

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mass murder and then just going about
his day the next the next morning.

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And it appears, if this is
true, that that's what happened. You

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commit mass murder, a major overkill. Literally the walls of the home were

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bleeding from that much blood. And
then this man allegedly went back and was

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a teacher's assistant and kind of carried
on his business, and his dad came

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to town as he had planned to
do, to drive back home to back

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east to where he's from for Thanksgiving. You know, if you've gone to

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college, you know what a unique
time period that is. Everyone's in finals

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and at the final stretch before before
finally getting a break for the holidays.

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There's an energy about that, and
you know, he really, he really

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took advantage of that. And you
know, our heart's really you know,

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first and foremost want to say,
our hearts go out to the family members

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of all the victims. Stephanie lydacurs
with this Courtney Armstrong as well, host

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of the true crime podcast The Idaho
Massacre, and a Courtney all of these

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students did they all live together in
this one dwelling. So three the three

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girls did, and that was Kaylee
Gonsalvez. She was twenty year old excuse

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me, twenty one year old senior, her lifelong childhood best friend, Madison

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Mogin, and then Zanna car Noodle, So the three of them lived together,

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and then Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, the fourth victim, was just

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visiting for the night and so they
were all stabbed inside the girls off campus

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house on King's Road, which is
right off of fraternity Row the Idaho Master.

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So I'm sorry we're getting all mixed
up because of the delay, But

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go ahead, Stephanie. Now I'm
just going to say where they lived,

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and there were two other roommates that
they lived with as well, was sort

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of like the fun house they had
lived in, a you know, an

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off campus, perfect ideal at home. You know, they would have as

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you would imagine parties, and you
know, you look at photographs of them,

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and they were so alive and loved
and seemed to have the perfect college

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experience. And to see how this
story ends is really nothing short of shocking.

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And Stephanie, do we know do
we have a motive and do we

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have a connection with the alleged murderer? With the murder the only at this

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point, and we have to assume
that in trial we will find a better

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one. The accused suggests that he
has an alibi, first and foremost,

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that's new information. We don't know
much more about that quite yet, and

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we will a trial. But for
the motives, that's the sticky part of

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this. The motive is not very
obvious. There's some potential link between social

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media. The inference would be that
maybe the accused admired one or all of

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them from a distance and had sort
of a one sided relationship with them via

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social media because we're so fun and
lively and seems to have such a great

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life, and if the accused has
less so of a social, happy,

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fun life, maybe he was just
kind of a stalker from away who was

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kind of becoming obsessed with one,
if not all of them. Stephanie Light

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Occur along with Courtney Armstrong. The
true crime podcast The Idaho Massacre fascinating to

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listen to on the iHeartRadio app and
everywhere you get podcasts. Ladies, thanks

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for joining us, thanks here for
having us, Thanks for listening to later

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Leigh Matthews the Leih Matthews Podcast,
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