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The following is a presentation of play
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Well, hello and good evening.
It is Thursday, July twenty twenty

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twenty three. We're the only show
about Spartan Dogs hosted by Spartan Dogs.

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Welcome to this is Sparta MN show. I'm your host, Jason Freehorn.

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And you know I played back in
the Parlis and saving eras under. You

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know, look, I was a
center team captain, but I couldn't do

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it without my two dogs in the
fight right here, oldest the Boss,

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Wiley, hard hitting, ball,
hawking safety. Both of these guys played

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during the John L. Smith and
you know D'Antonio era, and then choo

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Choo. You know everybody calls him
ju choo Choo called Craig the single season

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touchdown leader in Michigan State history.
And look, guys, and this is

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your first time joining the show,
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But don't forget to go to the
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right, So let's get right into
it, guys, look chew today

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another golf outing for you. Yeah, man, the sun really took it

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out of meant today I was I'm
tired balls Todd. You know, I

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played at in Brighton at hunt More
Golf Club there, you know, played

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in a nice little tournament there to
benefit um hunt More High School football,

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hut More High School football. Um. The old bad thing about them is

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you know that they're high school there, that mazing blue color and they have

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the helmets with the wings on it
there. So I had to go represent

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in my state gear and you know, talk my talk a little bit.

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You know Whatn't Hardlandn't Hardland Irtland?
Yes, that's what I said, right,

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No, you said something hunt More
Golf Club, Hartland, Yeah,

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Hartland. And how did you shoot
him? Though? Let's talk about the

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score. How's how the foursome go? You know we we we shot at

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sixty two. Um, the winning
team shot at fifty seven. In the

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third place had fifty nine. But
that's that's my issue because these people go

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to these things and they'll be buying
all these schemes for pots and line of

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these things out. Let's line up
to play donate you and then they excuse

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me, Oh it's for a good
cause. I'm donating. You can still

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donate the money, but the play
play man. Look, talk about play

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man. We had a couple of
players inducted into the Michigan State University Athletics

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Hall of Fame, two football players
by the way, Al Doro and Javin

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Ringer. Doro, man quarterback back
in the nineteen forty nine to nineteen fifty

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one, led the AFL and the
most touchdowns thrown, and also holds a

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single season record for sacks in the
CFL. I mean this is like the

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Red Grange of our era that not
a lot of people knew about Spartan history.

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Guys. Yeah, and that back
in that era was like any means

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necessary to get the win. You
play every position, you know, Like

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I feel like when we were you
know, bringing back to the former players

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and you meet the older guys,
it's like, yeah, I was like

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Coach Manner was like office an officivelignement, be like what like what like that's

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that size of it? You know, we get bigger every year. But

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uh, you know, we talked
about this on our production calls like,

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listen, if we ever go on
to Hall of Fame, I don't think.

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I don't know if it's is,
it will happened, but you know,

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give me, give me the flowers
where I'm alive. Right, But

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congratulations to out of the world his
family, uh, because it's obviously they're

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probably like it should have been a
long time coming. But congratulations that we

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have another spartan, the former football
player that's going into the Hall of Fame.

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You don't like the postumists, man, you don't want that. You

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don't want the flowers when you're dead
and gone. No, man, I

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like, man, like I want
to celebrate, you know, like I

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want to be out there like googlely, I like crying, like, man,

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it used to be great back here, you know, I want to

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be that. I would be like
I want to thank God and my family.

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I want to be here to say
the speaks man. And then it's

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great that we got one of our
own, like we got our teammate,

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like like this is way all along
overdue, like let's be real, let's

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be keeping a buck. But Jay
ring Man Ring was one of the absolutely

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best after is I've seen and been, uh, you know, played against

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as a teammate, but just seeing
him and then obviously even in the running

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back room like I wasn't every day, but two had it right in front

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play and seeing him develop and also
sharing the rock with him. But I

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know she's excited, man, because
I don't want to steal the stuff to

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go ahead. Deal thing man,
this is ring ring Baby. Congratulations baby,

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yeah, definitely. You know,
first of all, you know,

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congratulations to al um. That's well. But I'm so when once the news

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broke and we could publicly be excited
about it. You know, this is

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someone you know, otis straight.
We all talked about like why is this

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man not in you know, years
ago, but finally you know, he

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has the opportunity to be and then
I'm so excited to you know, I'm

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gonna be on the sidelines, you
know, calling the game when he's going

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into the It's it's so cool,
so excited. Javan's you know, for

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talking about the best athlete that I've
seen. It's Javan Ringer. His work,

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thick, his person, his you
know, I had the opportunity.

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You know, we're roommates. What
we're on the road home games every time

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at the hotel, roommates and Javan
is actually the most unselfish football player I've

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ever encountered in my life. And
so for him getting this honor right now,

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it's something that's really really exciting,
and it's you know, for me,

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I'm really proud to say I shared
a backfield with Javon Ratner. Yes,

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yes, and these highlights. Man, Like, I mean we were

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living it and looking at it.
But it's crazy when you watch he be

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like this man was a bad man, and it was We talked about Javon

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too, like two. You knew
like two had a combo where you had

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to bring it all the time and
like and Javan was like ultimate, yeah,

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yeah, ultimate, Like he has
everything. He had the power,

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he had, the speed, he
had the swiftness and we call it the

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Jukie Duke like he had that.
He had it all the visit. But

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I mean this dude was running and
putting the team on his back. Had

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you know, he's k nine before
Kate nine. Let's be honest right here,

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Like you know, like he kept
he kept us where we weren't the

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the I guess the sexiest option for
him. And you know, if you

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look at his story and he's probably
told he's told us that, you know,

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Michigan State stuck with him when you
know he towards a cl right.

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And you know, I remember his
official visit. He's on crutches and like

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you know, he was down a
little bit because he knew, like as

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all, if he was healthy,
like honestly, Juan probably would have been

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a Green and White, you know
what I mean, Like he was healthy,

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he would went somewhere else in my
opinion, but to be in a

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Green and White, his family coming
in, embracing it. We came in

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together as recruiting class. Actually I
was roommates with author Lee Jefferson, A.

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J. Jefferson. Ross was Ross
was supposed to be rooming with Javad

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And so when me and Rosscott there
was like, we don't know these cats,

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man, like so DV to DV, but I want JA to call

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these calls. What's just obviously the
sweet man. But go ahead, Jacky,

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that's thirty nine toss. That's all
day. I hated that play.

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Javan was so good at it,
reading that reading that defensive end and you

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talk about that those outside zone plays, you know, as a running back,

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you know you read the first read
that you get is you know,

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where's that defensive end lined up?
If he if his you know, if

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he's lined up out outside, you
know he's gonna come in. And then

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you're taught as a as a you
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You know, you read your tackle, read your tight ends, butts.

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You know, if the butts turned
out, you know you're going in.

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If it's turned you know, all
these different things. So it's you

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know, Javan, like I said, I'm so excited about the opportunity for

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this guy to go and well deserved
for his family as well. You know,

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his family to be there and great
great people, his mother, his

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father who passed away, Rest in
peace to him. But you know,

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really really great. And the thing
that Javanna doesn't get enough credit for.

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You know, you you see all
these exciting splash plays and everything. He

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also has the power, like ODIs
alluded to, he was the guy that

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if you had to go in between
the town, you had to do a

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you know, zebra thirty two something
like that, he could go. He

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could go, he could he could
lower his shoulder as well. Um,

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so you know, big shout out
to Javan and talk about a guy that

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really really loves and embodied and embraced
what it meant to be a spartan while

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while playing on the field. That
was Javon Ranger. And I tell you

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this story. I think I've mentioned
this story before, and I said,

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you know how he's an unselfish player. Um, we're playing Indiana. You

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know my senior day. Um it
wasn't senior day, but my senior year.

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We're playing Indiana. I fumbled the
football. Tracy Porter picks it up,

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takes it back sixty yards. We
get the ball back, drive down.

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We're inside the five and we called
that play out there H zebra H

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thirty nine toss outside zone is Jivin. We knew who was going in just

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based off the play call, what
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And he said that. He's looking
at me, He's like you you you.

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I was like, no, no, no, it's zebra outside.

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Don't outside, don't you? And
so he goes down on the ground and

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then the trainers have to go out, so he has to come out for

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a play. He's running out and
I'm running in. You know how you

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do that high five thing? On
the in between were talking about that.

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Yeah, you're you're like, hey, get the bump that he does that,

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you know, you give that high
five going to me there and then

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he looks at me and winks.
So I go in, I score a

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touchdown, and I came back out
and I sitting on the sideline. Now,

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I was like, Rings, you
faked an injury. He's like,

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yeah, man, you know it's
a home game night. You fumbled.

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I wanted you to you don't feel
better about yourself? You talk about this.

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I'm a selfish guy right there,
and you're you're like a year older

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than right Yeah, yeah, you
know, and it was his play,

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you know, could have definitely scored, you know, and and he did

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that so I could feel better,
you know, and so another you know,

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I could get There's so many stories
I could talk about, you know,

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with Javon Ringer. But great job. You know, his his numbers,

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you know, show for itself.
And couldn't be more excited for this

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guy. Man, I get thinking
about it. Man, I get you

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because he would always get straight.
And then you you're on the sideline.

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I'm sure you heard him talking if
the offense wasn't doing what they were supposed

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to do, which we know our
offense was electric and maybe they had a

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little down quarter or whatnot, and
they're not moving the ball, like he

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would come over and be yelling at
like hey, hey, d hey d

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offense will get it right. We'll
get it right. Man. Y'all,

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y'all keep playing, y'all, keep
playing, we'll get we'll get it right.

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And like he's encouraging us to keep
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he was an all support of like
every player, like it wasn't just offense

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and some guys are just stayed on
the offensive side. Ring was all about

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team, team, team, and
then you know, like we can already

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expect his speech, it's going to
be not about him. He's going to

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give all the praise to absolutely everybody
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But Ring, this is all between
man. Soak it all in. Man,

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you deserve it. And that's a
be selfish because this is you.

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Man. You deserve every bit of
a Hall of Fame induction here without question.

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The only dude too in full pads
in the middle of practice after a

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big run will come back and do
a round. Yeah, just had you

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know, get that elevation, athlete, youre athlete. Oh man. Any

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times he's just watching dragon ball Z
and playing College Football ZA on the PlayStation

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like dragon ball Z. Look,
I mean, I look, Javin,

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what can you say about it?
I mean, he leaves the all he's

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the all time all purpose leader in
Michigan State fifty four hundred and twenty six

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yards. Guys, you're right old, as you said me being a sidelined

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reporter, I was when I cut
my teeth doing that. And I used

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to watch him, you know,
being away from the game for a few

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years and coming back and see seeing
the positions. I'm like that he would

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be in the pile, underneath that
pile and I'm like, there's no way

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he's getting enough. He gets up, gets back on the huddle, comes

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out and makes them, you know, runs another play for fifteen twenty yards.

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I mean, an incredible athlete,
very tough, and I ask you

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guys have all just documented how selfless
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be. Man, great young man. You know what I want to like,

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You're gonna be on the sideline,
you know. I obviously I'm gonna

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get all the pictures of him,
but we need to get a picture of

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YouTube on that field when he has
when he's celebrating. I need that.

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This thing's going right here. I
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I want. Man, That's that's
great. You know, congratulations to both

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of those young men gentlemen not young
men, for making into the Hall of

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Fame. And there's others. We're
going to cover the Hall of Fame recipients

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in another show, but we got
to move it along now as we talk

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about more inspiring moments. Michigan State
athletes student athletes go take part in the

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Big Life Series going down to SELMA
in Montgomery, Alabama. Yeah, this

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was they did this. Um,
I want to say this last year and

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you know, doctor Baker took the
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this is kind of putting the full
circle, like you know, yeah,

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you know twenty one maybe twenty one, Um, and did y'all see Dylan's

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McDonald's uh and our own pictures you
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but now this is an opportunity for
you know, diversity, equity,

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inclusion, and this is the conference. Why so you send your representatives and

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represent your university and uh, it's
an opportunity to just take it all in

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of like without that, you know, civil rights and March and Selmo like,

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um, you know, we wouldn't
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and so it's just taking in full
circle allowing allowing them to go and

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experience that is something that this is
why you go to college, That's why

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you play at the on this level, and this platform is the resources and

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the opportunities to take it outside of
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that crew right there is is outstanding
representatives each of their sport um and hopefully

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we get one of the you know, we already have twenty one on here,

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but getting one of our our female
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it. And we also have a
video of you know, capturing the experience

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from one of our outstanding volleyball players. If you don't know me, my

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name is Elia Moore. I am
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Michigan State University. I don't usually
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the experiences that I had, I
thought I would come on here and use

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my platform to share my experiences.
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Big Ten Big Life Series SELMA to
Montgomery in Alabama this past weekend. To

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say it was impactful is an understatement. I learned more in these past two

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days than I have in my fifteen
years of school. Let me say that

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again. I have learned more about
American history, Black history, my history

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in the past two days that I
was in Alabama and I had my fifteen

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years of school. Well, I
take full responsibility for not educating myself on

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my personal history. I first blame
our school systems. We learned a blinded,

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whitewashed history that fails to truly capture
the hatred and horrors the truth of

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our past. To give you some
background, as mixed kid, identity was

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always a struggle for me. My
skin tone didn't fit the black and white

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categories I was taught to know.
This didn't really hit me until I learned

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about slavery in elementary school. I
vividly remember trying to understand where I would

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fall during that time, and I
even remember asking my teacher where would someone

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like me be during segregation or slavery. Of course, she didn't explain to

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a seven year old that my existence
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during that time. Great video,
very impactful word by Eliah Moore. They're

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volleyball player in Michigan State. Yeah, you know, looking at these um

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you know, listening to that video, looking at the pictures and stuff there,

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it's just you know, I see
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I wish we had those opportunities when
we were in school. But I'm

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so glad now that these kids,
these athletes get to be more than the

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athlete and have the opportunity to experience
these things in their off season, during

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their season all that stuff, experience
these great learning you know, situations that's

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presented to them, and you know, as Otis would say, kudos,

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kudos to the athletes that take advantage
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that you don't have to do it, but these guys take advantage of it,

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and you know they're positioning themselves.
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the full story, go ahead and
follow her on her social as it's on

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there. But and this is Spartan
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you can see it and reference it. But to your point too, like

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I do wish we had that opportunity
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an experience that you know, I
had that opportunity to go to the African

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American music him and DC, and
I mean I spent the entire day,

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Like people say, like you going
there and like you can't just do a

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half day, like you got to
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of history and so um, this
is a great opportunity and it's good to

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see that our kids are They're not
They're they're proactive. They're not just reactive

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of these opportunities. They're going out
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So kudos again, I love to
see it. TikTok is a for you

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so you can see it and go
check out that entire video. Definitely something

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worthwhile for anybody that wants to check
out what Aliyah had to say. Now,

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guys, you know one of our
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today was just reassigned. Now he
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IL special Advisor to the Athletic Director, Darien Harris. Yeah. Look,

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man, Darren keeps getting getting,
keep promoting and promoting and doing all these

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great great things. But you know, I think it's we look across the

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country in this position has been popping
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like man, like, you know, do we need that or when when

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we get that? And finally,
you know Allen m and his vision is

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like we absolutely need to put him
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spokesperson but also drive our initiative and
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talk about this all the time.
NIO is the promost number one talk thing

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that we talk about UM and it's
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to put ourselves in position to attract
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but also academically and and Darian fits
both those modes and so who better else

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to be put in that position to
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you know, a business plan to
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are recruiting coaches on each staff are
able to then tap into what's being built

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out. So congratulations Darien. Yeah, absolutely congrats to uh Darien for that.

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I think, you know, you
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putting ourselves as a university in a
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and I'll outside of things real quick. I know we got to come to

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another topic there, but uh,
tony, l Tony, can we put

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that picture of Darien back up there. I just I want to look at

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that one more time. That that
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like that uniform? I don't know
if I do. That's why I want

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to look at it to see.
I don't think that's one of my is

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it isn't Is that one of the
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of one. Yeah, yeah,
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if I if I like, yeah, that one, I don't really.

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I'm not a fan of that one. It's the old marks, right,

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it's the old marks that ms.
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know, in the silver light lining. But you know you said that ain't

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your favorite one. That's not my
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one, but that one is not. So I mean, look, we

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can't be a good jus. We
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We got a tin when they changed
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had the bad green bag of Monday. You know, it got better.

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It's been progressively getting better, so
that's all good. And we got one

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of the you know, our old
Spartan dogs from that era with the blocks

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coming up in a minute. That's
the lokes of pretty low. We're gonna

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talk a little bit about, you
know, the music industry in football at

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Michigan State. After this message from
our friends over at Eye have put a

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smile on your plate with new pancake
tacos because when you fold a pancake and

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a half, if you get a
taco for in this case three for six

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dollars, we'll try all four flavors
here for a fun time, not a

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long time. Only from Eye,
Hoop came back to the State. Freen

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and white spots do sweet when it
getting it in so chilling number one,

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tie so low being ten undefeated truth
jan Chitty greeny White since KG did it

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five that just then Tonio got to
feel it some tapaway that greeny way got

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to feel it some tapawa. Then
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because we number one, you feel
some tapaway. Kurtus Dang the third joints

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to show for the loc what's going
on. Brother man, I bring back

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a lot of man man, a
lot of memories and um good times man.

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That uh that type of way.
You know the story has been told.

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But I own a recording studio here
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see the guards celebrating in the locker
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came in and rich Homie was in
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do you know what's going on to
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So I went and I had my
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got to be sat in the lambe
and I played in the video and he

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was tripping off of it. And
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that was my younger brother plays one. He remade it and did some lyrics

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to it. And then you know, we had the opportunity to facilitate rich

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Homie to come to the Rose Bowl
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everybody was dancing and party and that
that uh, it just makes me smile

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to sear. And and the funny
thing is about I mean, you know,

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just kind of playing the background is
that you hear all these different stories.

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And even later on, probably it
was just about two years ago that

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dark Quez realized how that really kind
of came kind of came together because he

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was he was like, yeah,
I was doing this and I was doing

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that, but it wouldn't have put
rich HOLMEI on it like that. So

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it was interesting just to sit back
all these years and literally I never really

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said anything until somebody wrote something in
the paper and I was on Twitter and

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I'm tagged a dude, and I
said, that's a good story, but

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that's not accurate. He actually used
to be our beat writer. He actually

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hit me up and we told the
story and I went on Jack Show and

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that's how they out of me.
But yeah, that was that was great

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just watching it, man, it
makes me smile. And I went to

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the Rose Bowl and I was telling
people, you know, this is the

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greatest for us since I've been alive. That was the greatest era of Michigan

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State football. And I kept saying, like, we need to go to

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these games and support this because we
don't know if it's gonna be like this

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anymore. So it was dope just
saying that. I appreciate y'all pulling that

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up. I'm in this picture in
the background. I put the hat on

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rich on me head. Hey,
Freddy, like talk about like coach coach

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de probably had no clue who Rich
from Carlin was. I mean, he

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probably played the music or when the
when the players start playing it, and

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then you start knowing who he was. But talk about when you finally got

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the chance to talk to coach Dean
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seeing coach D dance, really that's
a rare form, like that's not

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possible. So here here's the funny
part, is that so because I played

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ball with Allen, Allen's our athletic
director. So I was trying to work

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it out with Alan and we was
gonna bring him up here, I think

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that season the last home game we
played Minnesota, and he was gonna try

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to bring him up to the stadium
and all this stuff. And Allen,

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you know, for all of us
that know Alan, Allen is by the

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books man, he's a police officer
of sergeant. He ain't he ain't crossing

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the lines. And so Allan kept
kept kept slowing it down. And you

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know, actually the person that kind
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people act like they don't like to
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he kind of he put Coach D
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Allan, kid, I had to
Allen was making me wait on everything,

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and I had to be what rich
homie did the shout out to the locker

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room before we went to play Ohio
State, and so Alan was dragging his

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feet. So I sent it directly
to the players and so it can spread

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out to the locker room. And
then we were having trouble with getting um

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because we went to the playoffs.
We was trying to bring him to the

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playoff game when d'An Tony went on
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And then we finally we went to
the Rose Bowl and Coach D we

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was having difficulties trying to get him
a flight. Was it legal? Can

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we get him a hotel? We
can't pay him, We can't do this,

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and Coach d just picked up the
phone. Get him there, Curtis,

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I don't get him cover what you
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Make it happen and get them there. And so I'm from La.

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So I'm at the Rose Bowl and
I'm gonna walked all the way around that

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bowl and I'm about to go in
the state and then Alan calls me,

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and Alan just is clean. Alan
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it. Call me was like,
Kurt, can you come get rich homie

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and walk them in and I'm like, man, and give him the I

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don't really want to kind of walk
around the stadium go get him walking into

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a seat. And then Alan was
like, after the game, I got

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these badges. I'm gonna let you
guys come onto the field. And so

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Man and Alan Man, Alan made
us wait. They said, you want

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to feel to two minutes. Were
like, Man, the game over,

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let us down. Man. He
wait until the clock hit the thing and

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then he pulls out about thirty badges. I said, Man, you know

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I was sideline, So look at
the big down. So then look we

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go on the field right and I'm
about to walk on the stage where the

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trophy is. I feel all didn't
go up there. Man, that's what

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the players. So I said,
okay. So then we go to the

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locker room and and Alan like,
Man, you can't come in. I

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saw. I said, Man,
come on at Man, were in LA.

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We just won the game. I
brought the dude down here. What

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you mean? He's like, Man, it's only players. So then I'm

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standing out there Fellino. He passed
by. Hes like, man, what's

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going on? Come on in?
So I'll go in and uh this is

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though. So we go through it
right. So Alan was like he looking

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at me like he kind of mad
that I'm in the locker room, and

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00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.920
I'm like, Coach Fealino said it
was cool, and I'm like, man,

409
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.200
ain't nobody tripping it in He's like, you're not gonna leave rich homie

410
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.720
in here, are you? And
I hope Alan don't watch this. Oh

411
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.799
yeah, you've been here, like
he's some type of thug. And so

412
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.759
I'm sitting there, I'm like,
all the president and the kids and the

413
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.799
coaches is having a ball with them. So I literally had to stay while

414
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.920
they did the dance and everything because
Alan didn't want to leave them in there.

415
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.799
And you know, but the videos
show it was. It was just

416
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:47.680
magical with all the players around.
They did the dancing, the president was

417
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.920
dancing one of them, stuff like
that. But Al, we ain't never

418
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:57.039
going on probation with Alan is our
athletic just I said, come on,

419
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.279
al Man, come on man.
He was, he was, he was,

420
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.960
he was tripping. But yeah,
Coach D. Coach D is the

421
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.680
one that made that happen because we
tried to get him near for the last

422
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.720
game in Minnesota. It didn't happen. We tried to get him there for

423
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.200
the Big Ten Championship. But Rich
Homie had a concert that day, and

424
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.119
then we made it, We forced
it and made it happen to get to

425
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:23.440
LA Then Rich Homie play a concert
at the Auditorium on campus afterwards afterwards,

426
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:29.160
prior to us playing this song in
the locker room, he had never been

427
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.200
booked for a show in Michigan.
So after all of that stuff is you

428
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:34.799
know, when I was talking to
his dad and everything, it was helping

429
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.720
his career, it was getting him
notoriety, breaking him into Midwestern and after

430
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.680
all that became the theme song.
People booked him and he went and did

431
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.559
a show at Michigan State and Coach
D came out on the stage with him.

432
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.559
Yeah, it was cool because it
was cool because some people in that

433
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.839
position a kind of make a person
feel like you just using them, but

434
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.519
they kind of had really struck up
a genuine relationship and Coach D well rich

435
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.000
home, he started supporting us.
It was cool for Coach D to come

436
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.039
out and support him, and even
you know, when I think they had

437
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.160
got shot at something, he called
to check in on him. Same thing

438
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.680
with two Dub and then with you
know Coach D Man, I that was

439
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.359
my first time I ever hearing him
cry, you know, when I talked

440
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.000
to him about two Dub stuff,
and he supported sending money to two Dub's

441
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.640
wife, and you know, he
just he just wanted to stay plugged in

442
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.640
in that whole situation. But um, he's he is, as people know,

443
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.039
he's he's a great man, you
know what I mean absolutely, you

444
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.440
know, you just to tell the
listeners, people who are you know watching

445
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.640
to the rob Sharell's former teammate,
Yeah, tragically passed away. What was

446
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.240
that two years ago? Yeah?
Just yep, yep, yep, coming

447
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:47.640
up for two years. Yeah,
so coach d helped him out. I

448
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:48.400
didn't, We didn't. I didn't
know that. I don't. Yeah,

449
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.920
yeah, we so all the players, um, you know, I went

450
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.400
down there and just told his wife, don't worry about it. We're gonna

451
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.839
take care of it. And so
we as former players, we came up

452
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.720
with like twenty thousand dollars within two
days. So we took care of the

453
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.079
funeral, We took care of the
programs, we took care of the post

454
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.200
dinner you know afterwards, and left
a little bit of money for the family

455
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.720
and coach Coach D Rochet, you
know, coach, Coach Rump, and

456
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.839
Rochet Um, they all stood up. I mean him and him and him

457
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.960
and TOODB were really close, and
you know, he was just like,

458
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.480
man, you know the last time
I saw him, you know, I

459
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.799
asked him how he was doing,
and he was like, man, I

460
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.160
was I was struggling. I've been
through some stuff. And Coach D was

461
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.160
kind of like, I wish I
would have dug into it anymore, but

462
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.200
he was like, but I made
it past that point, and um,

463
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.480
I forgot what game he is.
So he might have saw him at the

464
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.359
Miami game or something, but he
saw him and they had a gentlemane love

465
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.519
for each other and they were very
close. And Coach D Steel the text

466
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.359
from time to time. I sent
him a program and um and he calls

467
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.359
and talks to and wrote his wife
a real nice letter and stuff like that.

468
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.839
So they've been very supportive. So, so, Kurt about your career.

469
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.599
Let's go back, you know to
Michigan State. You know what actually

470
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:08.720
California so you're coming from was a
Carson California from yeah, yeah, and

471
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.119
then you know, so how did
that process go, Like the recruiting process

472
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.240
and you know from Carson to East
Lands. Well, my high school was

473
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:22.200
like a we were before everybody started
paying everybody and it was just regular school.

474
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.240
It's my high school in the school
two miles from me. We were

475
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.519
like number one and number two in
the nation, and so every year we

476
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.960
would send fifteen people, d one, nine people, twelve all that stuff.

477
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.400
So we had a powerhouse. I
mean, Jamal Holloway went went to

478
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.319
my high school. So we had
all of the colleges coming out there,

479
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:45.559
Switzer flying in on helicopters and stuff. So anyway, we had a way

480
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.759
back then in nineteen ninety or eighty
five to ninety, we had a recruiting

481
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.640
coordinator at my school. We used
to take all the vhs and newspaper clips

482
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.160
and send them out to all these
universities so all the schools would come there

483
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.119
when they came to California. And
turns out he was from I think he

484
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:05.200
went to Eastern Michigan. And you
know, my dream at the time was

485
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.720
to go to Oregon. And even
though it wasn't popular back then, I

486
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.240
had always liked their logo and the
uniform and we had another dB from my

487
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.759
high school. They played at Oregon, and so my mentality was Man,

488
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.960
I don't care if Jesus Christ and
the Seven Disciples recruited me. I'm going

489
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.359
to Oregon and that was my dream
school. And when I went on my

490
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.680
trip, that was my best trip. When I came to Michigan State,

491
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.519
we were on quarters and since we
were playing at a championship, we didn't

492
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.759
come into December. Man, it
was so cold and it was frozen,

493
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.480
and there was no students on campus. And when I went in there to

494
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:45.200
meet GPGP didn't even know my name. Man, I think that as a

495
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.599
young eighteen year old, they paid
their recruiting coordinator and he delivered me to

496
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.799
Michigan State. And all just being
honest. Now that I know it,

497
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.200
I'm like, man, And that's
why my nephew or people that have kids

498
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:00.880
that are going through the process,
you know, I don't know how it

499
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.359
was for you guys. But when
we were going, we flew on those

500
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.839
trips by ourselves. Our parents didn't
come on a recruiting trip. Man,

501
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.079
we flew all. I went to
Michigan State, I went to Illinois.

502
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.960
I was supposed to go to Syracuse. I went to Oregon. But we

503
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.039
went on all them trips by ourselves. Man, our parents weren't plugged then

504
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:21.599
they were too busy working. They
weren't there to do like we're doing now,

505
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.440
run us around and AAU and get
us trainers and all that stuff.

506
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:29.119
So we went on those trips,
and as an eighteen year old coming from

507
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.400
a different time zone, they flew
me into Detroit, were driving through that

508
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.639
snow and all this stuff. You
get there and they talking about academics.

509
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.480
Your eyes are crossing, you know
what I mean. Lyron Bell took me.

510
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.280
He wasn't my host, but that's
who took me. And me and

511
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.159
Draft came in at the same time, and so these people just talking to

512
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.039
you, and man, I kind
of got you know, I think,

513
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.599
I mean, I know now that
I kind of got pushed everything that I

514
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.719
did. He would present Michigan play
Keys or Big Teen. I didn't even

515
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.880
know anything about the Big ten where
Michigan was. And I damn sure,

516
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.800
excuse me, I didn't know we
had I didn't I didn't know we had

517
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:10.119
to go to school when the snow
because in high school, I never we

518
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.559
never practiced in the rain or played
in the rain. We never did that.

519
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.599
And so when the first day of
snow that Michigan State I stayed up

520
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.760
all night and I and then I
looked out and I said, there's people

521
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.480
still riding bikes, and they riding
schoolers, and they driving cars without chains

522
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:28.079
on it. And I thought we
wasn't gonna have to go to school.

523
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.519
So look, I get dressed.
My roommate mil combing. I stayed with

524
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:36.679
Meal for four years, as I
thought I had the biggest coat on campus.

525
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.000
I had this triple fat goose with
fur on the neck. And then

526
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.039
I bought these long jobs I put
on. The Meal would be like,

527
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.920
boy, when you get the class, you're gonna be sweating. I say,

528
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:50.880
it's cold outside. I'm putting everything
off google gloves. I walked across

529
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.000
the tundram I got to my natural
science class, and your boy was all

530
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.320
sweating, you know. And then
when I didn't get a car to my

531
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.199
fourth year, I had the bright
idea. Because the doors was locked,

532
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.760
I was like, that's stupid.
I'm not about to scrape it off.

533
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:10.280
I'm just gonna throw some hot water
on my lock. Yeah. I was

534
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.480
not leave man. I threw that
water arm. It was like, you

535
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.920
dummy, breeze and you know what
I mean. So I was naive man

536
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.119
in California, all you really thought
about is what neighborhood you was gonna be

537
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.639
on. When you moved to Michigan, you got to worry about the weather.

538
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.320
So I used to be on the
sideline with the They used to be

539
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:31.880
mad at me because I wasn't playing, but I would be on the coat

540
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.119
and I would be sitting on the
heater and the starters we want to sit

541
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:40.480
down, And man, I didn't
hear out there. Man, I've never

542
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.639
seen anything like that. Man.
I was a life alternate experience. Man.

543
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.679
And then you know, and then
I never knew I was like.

544
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.480
Man, I used to be like, so when y'all get y'all toys for

545
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.480
Christmas, y'all don't ride y'all bike
till February. Like, what do you

546
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.239
y'all put y'all? Man? The
other thing that I learned the nerdiest looking

547
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:06.360
dude everybody in the Midwest can play
who Because in California, we was like

548
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.519
the one of the only schools that
had an indoor building. But in elementary

549
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.159
and junior high or elementary, we
don't have gyms, you know, no

550
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.800
gymnasiums. But here in Michigan,
y'all be locked up the whole or the

551
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.960
Midwest for the winner, and everybody
didn't play who and so it just was

552
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:27.800
it was just man. I tried
to transfer Man and you know, and

553
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.280
GP called my mom. You know, the people at Oregon had to tell

554
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.360
them that I contacted them and they
called my mom. And I was miserable

555
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.639
because when we started, we were
on quarters and we would play three games

556
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.320
before the students came on campus.
And Purlis was like, you're not gonna

557
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.000
like it. All you're doing is
practicing every day. All you see is

558
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.760
these guys, and he could be
a deal where he was like, I'll

559
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.599
tell you what less wait to see
when the students get on campus, and

560
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.679
if you don't like it after the
first quarter, I'll grant you your transfer.

561
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.280
And when them girls from Flint and
Detroit came to the State universally,

562
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.840
I was cool, say, I
ain't gonna lie the girls game on campus.

563
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:15.400
Man, I was like, good
that made you stay. Yeah,

564
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.559
yeah, I mean nothing wrong with
that. They listen, look, did

565
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.920
you did you play? You know
there's stories out there about you playing her

566
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.320
Nord to get a scholarship. So
yeah, so my my and my my

567
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.599
um twelfth grade going to my twelfth
grade year, I ignored my coach and

568
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.760
when played summer summer league basketball,
and I tour the ligaments in my knee,

569
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.760
and I knew that my parents weren't
gonna pay for me to go to

570
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:44.440
school. So I played the whole
football season with the with the torn acl

571
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.320
and I didn't I didn't miss any
practices or anything. But when I started

572
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.880
taking my trips, one of the
recruiters from cal was like, hey,

573
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.760
we noticed that you were limping when
you come up here. Do you mind

574
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.639
if I take a look at your
knee? And then that's what my recruiting

575
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.920
coordinator was like, these guys all
talking together, and if they find something

576
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.760
from with your need, you're gonna
lose your scholarship. You need to go

577
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.639
ahead and commit. So I canceled
my last two trips admitted the Michigan State.

578
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.840
I didn't tell him anything because I
wanted them to pay for it.

579
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.440
True, So I came to campus. I practiced about four days. I

580
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.079
told him my need was hurting.
They looked at it. They was like,

581
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.599
oh my god, you don't have
any cartilage, your bone on bone

582
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.480
and so back then, but they
did to me is they drilled three holes

583
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.639
in that bone, which they now
call that microfracture surgery. And so while

584
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.400
other people got scoped and we're out
like three weeks or a month, I

585
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.760
missed my whole freshman season, so
I red shirted. Felino wouldn't let me

586
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.440
stay around the scout team people,
so they forced me to travel, which

587
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.920
I didn't want to do because everybody
was partying while we was on the road

588
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.840
and back I knew I wasn't playing, and he was like, I don't

589
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.119
want you to pick up any bad
habits. So even at practice, I

590
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.360
couldn't practice on the scout team.
I used to be the fourth and I

591
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.199
would get to come in for one
or two plays and all this stuff.

592
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.119
And then so my first year I
ran shirt. I couldn't get on the

593
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.480
field. The second year I wasn't
good enough to play, and then my

594
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.679
third year I was running twos and
I had a spinal injury. I was

595
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:15.400
having problems with my shoulder and my
back, and when I went home,

596
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.519
they made me do an mr UCLA
and they saw something, but they thought

597
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.119
I moved, so they maybe do
another one. I came back practice a

598
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.840
little bit more, put on different
helmets, and then one day, they

599
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.239
came over to the dorm and picked
me up, took me to a specialist

600
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.519
and it was like, man,
yeah, you know you you you can't

601
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.920
play, he said, He said, he your career, you can't play.

602
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.199
I'll recommend that you don't play anymore. And then he says, as

603
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.719
a matter of fact, your career
is over. You won't hit away from

604
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.719
being paralyzed on your left side,
So your career at Michigan State is over.

605
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.559
And so I broke down crying,
and because I came out there to

606
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.400
play ball, and my injury kind
of sucked because I didn't look hurt,

607
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.360
like you know, when you have
a knee injury or you break something you

608
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.119
got to cash you can see it. But it was the same thing that

609
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.760
Michael Irban had. He got hit
on the top of his head. It

610
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.320
pushed down between help I mean C
three and C four and it pinched that

611
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.000
nerve mouse Jahnson, same injury.
So that's what happened to me. And

612
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.000
then afterwards, you know, if
you hear me, I always say I'm

613
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.920
grateful that I went to Michigan State
because if I would have went to Oregon,

614
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.719
I probably would have played earlier and
I'll probably be paralyzed and so and

615
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.559
then at Michigan State and not getting
on the field and stuff like that.

616
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.239
And actually, I'm gonna sayst is
this. I got funny stories. So

617
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.079
they made me travel so back then, and it's the same way. When

618
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.039
you go on the road, they
may only take about eighty people. When

619
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.519
you play at home, they dressed
out a hundred people, right, So

620
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.960
they made me travel. So when
we go to Ohio State, Myron Bill

621
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.199
from Ohio, they hyper. So
when you when you're traveling, you ain't

622
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.719
playing. You the crash stuff,
dummy doing warm ups, doing of the

623
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.000
dbs. You gotta run down there
and let them hit you. And man,

624
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.760
Myron hit me so hard and I
came back and I told him I

625
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.400
was hurt, and Coach Winn was
like, you got hurt the warm ups,

626
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:07.800
you ain't playing, and you know
they man, they went off,

627
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.079
man, and so you know I
did. Y'all don't understand. It was

628
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.639
a lot of parties going on when
we went on to town. We used

629
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.679
to fight a lot, so they
used to try to pull the parties when

630
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:23.840
we had It's a different they used
to try to couple the parties when our

631
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.639
games was away because they didn't want
us to come to the parties because we

632
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.280
would tear them up. And so
whenever I was the only one that was

633
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.400
forced to travel, and when I
would come back, everybody would talk about

634
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.920
the party and Milnim scared me.
They told me Northwestern was like a high

635
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.280
school stadium and it was like,
man, the wind be coming off and

636
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.159
the hawk. So I called myself, I'm gonna play hurt, so I

637
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.159
ain't got to go to Northwestern and
stay home for this party, right.

638
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.679
But what I don't know is when
you when you so for me. Remember

639
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.760
I wasn't on scout team. I
was underneath for about two hours and I

640
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.320
barely was doing anything. But when
you hurt, jeff Nil, make you

641
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:06.639
ride that bike and run all practice. Yeah I was hurt for one week,

642
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.760
but I didn't want to run at
practice no more. So I tried

643
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.639
to tell him I was well,
and they was like, no, actually,

644
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.559
we think we saw something and that's
kind of how it happened. But

645
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.800
yeah, I gotta hurt. Myron
blew me up and I was running down

646
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.039
a little thing hurt. And then
I didn't know how to go back to

647
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.239
tell the coaches that I got hurt
in the warm ups. But that's what

648
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.519
happened, man, So Boot is
the one who caused the injury. Blew

649
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.960
me up. Man, I'm just
I'm like, man, because when when

650
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.000
you like I said, at home, I never got hit. You know,

651
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.000
we would hit the walk on.
But when you go on the road

652
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.519
and you ain't playing, you the
crash that's coming, and he playing hyper

653
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.199
because we're playing in the Horseshoe that's
his hometown. I'm just willy gagging that

654
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:58.840
fire. Yeah man, sorry,
So so like the stories, you know.

655
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.559
So then when that happened, you
know, they came to me and

656
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.119
it was like, hey, you
know, I know you're from California.

657
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.119
You don't have any family and nothing
out here, and this is your family.

658
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.199
We want to keep you around the
program. Would you like to be

659
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.519
like a ga. That's what danover
man. So he was like, you

660
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.960
can help out watch film and so
then I said, oh, I said,

661
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:22.159
well if I don't do that,
do I still get my tickets to

662
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.000
the game. And it was like, yeah, he still get your tickets

663
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.719
to the game. I can still
get to come to train and take well,

664
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.599
yeah he still get trained. I
said, Man, I ain't doing

665
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.519
that, man, I don't want
to do that, and so I told

666
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.599
him I didn't want to do it. And what that did is it allowed

667
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.719
me to start. The first thing
I did was signed up for this Black

668
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.400
English history class because we used to
have to be done with our classes by

669
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.920
like two o'clock, and there were
certain classes that I wanted to take that

670
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.119
weren't available, and so it freed
me up to start taking classes that I

671
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:59.000
want and then start meeting regular students, you know what I mean, because

672
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.360
at the time all was around was
football players. So my last three years

673
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.320
there, you know, I was
kind of like a regular student, but

674
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.000
but I was going to school for
free. And then I got a job

675
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:14.079
at DPS, and you know,
I didn't write no Black people tickets.

676
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.280
I was, yeah, man,
I was doing all that stuff. And

677
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.400
then the other funny story is,
you know I was done. Me and

678
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.079
Neil came in together. He did
his work and I did my work.

679
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.039
Neil graduated after four years, and
so they granted him a fifth year and

680
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.239
they paid for it. And when
I went in there to get my scholarships

681
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.920
on for the fifth year, GP
cussed me out and kicked me out the

682
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.880
building. He told me man,
don't you get enough, you blood sucker.

683
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.599
You're using this and you know I
can't cuss, but he cussed me

684
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.519
out. He kicked me out the
building. So I went over to Clarence

685
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.039
Underwood and I was like, I
don't know who he think he's talking to.

686
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.800
And y'all gonna punish me because I
got injured, you know what I

687
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.480
mean? Me and him came in
together, we did the work, so

688
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.880
y'all gonna punish me. So what
I ended up doing my fifth year is

689
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.920
I dropped this class that I needed
to graduate. And then my counselor's called

690
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.880
me. I was like, what
are you doing? You dropped this class.

691
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:07.800
You're not gonna graduate. I told
him I don't want to graduate.

692
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:12.719
So because I dropped that class,
it forced them to pay for my fifth

693
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.840
year. My fifth year, I
took two nine hundred level grad courses and

694
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:22.920
GP I was banned from the building. He don't like me, man,

695
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:27.440
like I aw from California. I
used to wear the ear rings, you

696
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.000
know what I mean? Hey,
you're gonna wear a skirt next, You're

697
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:36.000
gonna have upple outside him? And
I tell Baggot because I talked to Baggot

698
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.480
all the time. And I remember
one year I was going home for the

699
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:43.000
summer and him and coach Williams came
up to me and they was like,

700
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.239
hey, man, are you on
drugs or something? I said, what

701
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.440
you're talking about? Man? He
said, Man, you know you act

702
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:51.199
like you don't care about nothing.
We yell at you and cuss you out

703
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.280
and you don't really react. And
I said, what you want me to

704
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.840
do? Man? I do all
the tests that you want. I make

705
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.559
all the runs and everything. And
it was like, we want you to

706
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.119
go to California. When you come
back, you come back without that California

707
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.840
attitude. And my mentality was,
man, I'm gonna do what I'm supposed

708
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.800
to do, and you know,
if if they want me to play,

709
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.760
I'm gonna play. But I wasn't
one of them people. I probably talked

710
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.480
about nine to ten people on our
team from Quittin because we had some people

711
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.960
that when they did that and didn't
let them play, they wanted to give

712
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.800
away their scholarship. And I would
be like, man, you ain't throwing

713
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.639
away that scholarship. Man, you
better get your butt out here. It's

714
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.000
thirty forty thousand dollars worth of stuff
and just do the work, man,

715
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.360
and don't trip on them, you
know what I mean? Right, So

716
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.000
you've always you're like but sure beyond
your years type of guy, like you

717
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.199
know, you talk about this,
you know, and it's transcended into what

718
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.119
you've done business wise as an adult. Where did you get that instinct to

719
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.039
be able to think deeper? Because, like, you know, from you

720
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.280
know, you're you're talking about the
pressure that coaches put on you if you're

721
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.719
hurt, even if you're not you
know, like hurt, like to the

722
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.960
point of losing your career, they
want you to get on that field.

723
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.239
And that's that's what it is.
And being able to stand up to that

724
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.679
and to still push on the persever
and get your degree and become who you

725
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.000
have become. You know, where
did that come from? I mean,

726
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.960
my parents still married, man,
They've been married for fifty four years.

727
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.679
Man. And it's kind of like
you know, when you when you when

728
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.199
you're comfortable with who you are and
you're confident in knowing what you know,

729
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.400
and like always tell people, when
you look at something and you see it,

730
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.000
you should believe what you see.
And you know, I'm irritant enough

731
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.320
or not irrogant enough but I was
naive enough to be like I knew what

732
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.360
certain things look like like. I
wasn't the person that they couldn't come in.

733
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.559
And I never called another man dad
or mom because out of respect for

734
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.159
my mom. I call meals,
parents, moms, and pops because they

735
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.119
basically adopted me. But out of
respect for my parents, I don't do

736
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.440
that. So I never was that
kid that you can come in and be

737
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.719
like. My father figure already had
my dad and my mom. We lived

738
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:59.079
in Carson, the you know we
are my mom My house is probably worth

739
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:04.199
about eight hundred sixty thousand dollars right
now. So it's just like you.

740
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.599
I was comfortable with who I was
and and and those things that you talk

741
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:14.760
about were decisions, and so I
was making a grown man decision to skip

742
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.760
that surgery, you know too,
so I can do something better with my

743
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.920
life. And then I made another
grown man decision when I wanted to just

744
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:27.599
you know, I mean, nowadays
how much them coaches getting paid sometimes I

745
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.960
think about it, but I didn't. I didn't like, I didn't love

746
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.000
football that much. Man, I
was. I was playing football to go

747
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.880
to school, you know what I
mean, That's why I played football I

748
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.719
wanted to go to school, and
I was playing football to get girls,

749
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.239
and so you know it was like, man, that was my motivation.

750
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.840
I used to be in there talking
about when you go to sleep the night,

751
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:52.840
imagine yourself scoring this touchdown. I
used to be like one of these

752
00:49:52.840 --> 00:50:00.000
girls when we win this game.
That's what that's That was my motivation.

753
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.000
Man. Even like I tell people
when you drink, I don't drink by

754
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.159
myself. I would drink if I
was gonna be around some women or something.

755
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.480
So you know, that was my
motivation. I wanted to go to

756
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:15.039
school. I wanted to graduate,
and I had to do this to do

757
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.920
that. But it wasn't fun when
we got to school, all that stuff

758
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.840
that they was doing. Man,
it wasn't fun to me running around there

759
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.639
doing that. So even now,
my daughter's really good, she's ten,

760
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.960
and I tell my wife all the
time, I feel like I'll have failed

761
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.920
her if she has to go to
school on an athletic scholarship, because I

762
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.760
don't want her to have to get
up at seven o'clock in the morning,

763
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.480
run around all day, have people
yelling at her. I want her to

764
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.239
get an academic scholarship. And then
if she wants to play sports. She

765
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.119
can do it, but I don't
want her to be in the predicament that

766
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.480
I was in. I was in
a predicament where I had to I had

767
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.760
to go. I had to play
her to go to school, otherwise I

768
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:58.960
wouldn't win. So that that that
decision making is what's going on now,

769
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.800
and all tell people it's important to
be able to think. You know,

770
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.559
I think people can make a decision
for what's right there in front of them.

771
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:09.519
That's easy. You don't even have
to mentally think about that. But

772
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.599
to be able to think about it. If I do this, then it's

773
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.719
gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen. And so that's what

774
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.840
I've been blessed with. Always think
that that's where people kind of fall down.

775
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.760
That you can go back and look
at critical decisions that came up and

776
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.119
people that make, you know,
bad decisions. You know, things,

777
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.880
things don't go the way that they
want to. So that that came from

778
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.400
my parents and just and my friends
and just same thing. When we started

779
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.760
the business Man, it was we
just was naive. It was three people

780
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.440
from Carson. Bob wanted to play
football. He went to the league.

781
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:44.480
Ras wanted to rap. He got
a deal, and I wanted to do

782
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.719
some business. And when we did
the business, and so we just we

783
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.119
just was doing it and we was
paying attention. That's the critical thing that

784
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.000
you push here and you pay attention
to what it does, and then you

785
00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:00.199
adjust and you move. And so
that that stuff came from there. From

786
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.840
school, I mean, we did
get good lessons. Work hard, keep

787
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.519
your mouth shut, and good things
that happen you learn. You know,

788
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:12.000
even now, like if I'm hiring
somebody, I'm I'm leaning towards somebody who's

789
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.480
in college that don't live in Atlanta, that left home, because that says

790
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.559
something about that person. When you
get people that leave home when they're eighteen

791
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.440
and they get away from their parents
and they stick through it, that's that

792
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.760
person got a certain type of characteristic
and thought process to be able to work

793
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:30.800
through problems. Man. I didn't
know anybody in mission. I didn't have

794
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:35.719
role, I couldn't identify with the
teams. I didn't play against nobody in

795
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.280
the All Star Games or anything.
Man, And and I wanted to leave,

796
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.840
like you know, and that's why
I laugh at what's going on now,

797
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:47.079
because you know stand Bill's character,
like you you're gonna be in the

798
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.239
world where you're gonna be in where
you're gonna be in a predicament where you're

799
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.960
gonna be forced to do some things
that make you uncomfortable. But if you

800
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:58.760
can work past that point, that's
where the greatness is. But so many

801
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:02.840
people fold up, pack up ten
and give up. And I don't respect

802
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.360
that, you know what I mean. I'll be sitting here thinking like some

803
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.159
of these people. I mean,
y'all give it to them, y'all be

804
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.639
like once a spartan dog. Or
I'll be like, man, they laugh,

805
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.840
I'm like, man, you laugh. Man. I mean I joked

806
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.840
with Jason, right, Jason's kid
going around, Oh, Jason gonna carry

807
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:28.199
a helmet for certain schools. But
I really wasn't gonna put no, no,

808
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.119
he wasn't gonna get in that picture
for that that school because you can,

809
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:35.519
like you know what I mean,
it like, it just don't work

810
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:39.039
like that, man, I mean, I get the same again. I'll

811
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.840
be thinking that there's that we used
to be a criteria, like you know,

812
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:45.679
you can't just come in and just
leave. It's kind of like,

813
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.039
you know, there's a criteria for
you to get your letterman, Jackie,

814
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.760
you gotta play so much time,
or you gotta be a senior or whatever

815
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.480
you gotta do. But it's hard
when you be like, man, it

816
00:53:55.639 --> 00:54:00.320
got hard on this dude and he
left. You think about how many hard

817
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.559
times y'all went through or we all
went through up there and we stuck it

818
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.360
out. So I mean, I
get it, but you know when you

819
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:15.639
leave and go somewhere else. Man
claim that man about about what's his name?

820
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.440
Colman? Man, I I'm I'm
from La right, so I'm a

821
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:23.280
Laker fan. If if if Shaq
ain't on our team, I don't like

822
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:29.480
him no more. I didn't like
Lebron and I don't think he wanted whatever,

823
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:31.960
but he played for the Lakers or
whatever. But if anybody is on

824
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:36.840
the Laker team, we're gonna support
him as soon as he leaves. Soon

825
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:38.199
as he leave, pat Row,
I don't care if you want us five

826
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.800
championships. We've done with you.
So when they sending me stuff and ask

827
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:52.039
me about Kian, I'll be like
Kian who man? Right, Hey man,

828
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:53.800
it's hard to blame me because we
talked about we had b J.

829
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.880
Cunningham on the show a couple of
days ago, and he talked about it.

830
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.920
You know, you got to have
one or the other, you know,

831
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.039
transfer portal, you know, or
nil. But and you think of

832
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.639
the transfer portal as like, oh, it's forcing kids to do this.

833
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:12.440
It's not true, like you still
have a choice at the end of the

834
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.239
day, you know, even if
you know, you can make that grown

835
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.239
man decision. And some guys are
being pushed out into your this is what

836
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.920
you're You're what happened in your career. They're being pushed out. But if

837
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.639
you don't take the day, if
you want to just get your degree,

838
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.159
they have to pay for it.
I talked. I called a dude hearing

839
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:35.039
they got run out of Colorado and
his dad as a doctor and his mom's

840
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.519
an attorney. Then his son is
on the dean's list, and I said,

841
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:43.199
y'all need to I said, they
tricked, y'all. They they presented

842
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.800
it like, hey, you ain't
gonna I don't see you playing here,

843
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.559
and I think you we don't see
you on your future. And then they

844
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.960
let you say Okay, well I'm
gonna leave. I said, man,

845
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.760
your son don't gonna leave. But
imagine if you you you've been married for

846
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.079
fourteen years. You're a doctor,
your wife's a lawyer. He's on the

847
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.199
Dean List. And if you're talking
to the av of Colorado, that's the

848
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.159
type of kid that you want in
your program. And I said, and

849
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:08.280
I read up on the rule.
I said, you know, you don't

850
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:12.440
have to leave if he if he
ain't good enough to play there, and

851
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.039
then he probably ain't gonna go pro. But if he likes to school,

852
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:16.800
he should just stay there and make
for them, make them pay to go

853
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:21.360
to school. And he was like, well, I don't. I don't

854
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.960
want to jump out there and ruin
his chances of going somewhere. I don't

855
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.480
want to be that parent. But
somebody gonna say something. He was like,

856
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:30.920
I've never even talked to DN.
None of the parents can talk to

857
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.039
him, and whatever. He was
telling me all this stuff, and I

858
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.519
but nobody wants to be the one
to jump out there and say anything because

859
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.119
they scared they're gonna do something to
their kids. But if it was me,

860
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.360
I would have been like, hey, coach, just like I did

861
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:45.880
before, where I ain't playing no
more, You ain't running me up out

862
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.039
of here. Y'all gonna pay for
me to go to school, and I

863
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.480
ain't come into practice, and y'all
not using me to watch no film and

864
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:53.760
stay up here at the building and
do that. And now we're not doing

865
00:56:53.800 --> 00:57:00.519
none of that stuff. But but
but again, in my opinion, Jason,

866
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.880
I told you that I think it's
a blessing that you out there with

867
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:10.079
your kid because these parents are forty
five fifty years old, and you're dealing

868
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.119
with a kid with an eighteen to
twenty two year old mindset that hadn't been

869
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.039
through anything. And you can manipulate
that person. You can present something in

870
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.400
a certain way without saying something,
so you can come back. J Dion

871
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.559
can get on there and say I
ain't never tell nobody they had to leave.

872
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.519
But if you say, hey man, we don't see a future for

873
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:34.400
you here, We're gonna bring in
some other players. If I was you,

874
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:38.199
I'll go somewhere else. Yeah,
you're right. You didn't technically say

875
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:40.559
I'm running you out of here.
You gotta get out of here. But

876
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.280
even you know, GP Maham,
you stick got mad at the punter one

877
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.280
year and they took this red jersey. And anytime we had a running play

878
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:51.920
he was a running back, we
had to play he was a pastor.

879
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.280
He did it two days. That
dude quit and they took this scholarship back.

880
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.440
They ran him My body there and
what I'll say, one of the

881
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:06.400
things that I learned is when you're
a kid that don't have anybody on the

882
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.679
sideline standing up for you. I'm
the one that got the bad job.

883
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:13.159
In the summer. They put me
in the job from the man. They

884
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.320
had me a job man and dudes
having jobs at them or Meal, and

885
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.280
the I wanted to work with Meal
them work. They had me working with

886
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:22.519
some man. It was some prisoners
man. We was doing fourteen hour shifts

887
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.559
and were building a big old giant
harbecue rills and I would get to these

888
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.559
still splinters and I was talking to
the dudes. They was on work release

889
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:36.079
and they was getting paid penny on
the dollars. So I went there one

890
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:37.760
day dog and I quit. I
had to walk home. The Meal came

891
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:43.559
to pick me up. I was
walking up and so I quit the job.

892
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.679
And the next day I went out
there got my check, and then

893
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:50.360
I flew to California because I was
like, well, we got eighty people

894
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.719
from Michigan and all these starters are
getting to the job. If I go

895
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.840
home, I can get a better
job. And then they hooked me up

896
00:58:55.840 --> 00:59:00.440
with an alumni there and they started
me in the hotel. I was the

897
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:07.719
only dude speaking Spanish. I wasn't
speaking English. I was in there all

898
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.719
the clothes and the sheets and put
them in the air take the trash out

899
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:14.679
vacuum. So I complained about that
job. Then they put me in the

900
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.960
bank and then the alumni was out
of town and the people. Then I

901
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.039
thought I was gonna be a teller
or something. Man. They had me

902
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.719
in the safe for nine hours a
day. Man, I was in the

903
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:32.800
safe dog all day. Wells Farm. Oh my god. I called back

904
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.159
to Michigan State complaining. And then
they hooked me up with mister Bobbin and

905
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:38.800
he put me in the job at
a publishing company. He was gone,

906
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.199
and so the lady didn't want to
hire me. There was a British lady,

907
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.239
so she wouldn't let me come in
the building. Man. She had

908
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.360
me outside painting the walls, cutting
the grass. I said, Man,

909
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:53.079
I'm a college student. I want
to work in the air condition. So

910
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:57.039
that's where I ended up working for
the next four years. But you know,

911
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.440
I had to leave to do that, man, they wouldn't they.

912
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.679
That's the stuff that you have to
deal with. Now. I've seen other

913
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:07.800
people that I knew I was better
then and their parents would literally walk from

914
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.760
the sideline go to GP's office and
then the next day that kid would be

915
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.119
on a special team. Somehow he
got on the field. But when you

916
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:20.039
all away from California and you don't
have no uncle or no dad or no

917
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.679
parents on the sideline pressing the coaches
out, man, when it when it

918
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.239
comes time to make a decision,
you kind of get left out there on

919
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.440
your own. You don't have nobody
to fight for you. And so that's

920
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.480
why I'd be seeing it's important for
these parents that when you send these kids

921
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.679
off to have somebody there locally that
can look out for them. Because we

922
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.199
as adults, with our different experiences, you see things different than these kids.

923
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:50.119
Do these kids be getting manipulated?
Man? I mean yeah, courage,

924
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.199
I mean, you know, changing
little little you know a page.

925
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:58.079
You know, from an entrepreneur standpoint, you you've been given back to Michigan

926
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:04.480
State and helping ours and our students
understand like there's more to football, and

927
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.639
everyone in there in there they have
some type of outs or I guess you

928
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:14.800
know, small portion of an entrepreneur
mindset, right, and so you did

929
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.320
that. Coming back to to Michigan
State, can I talk about that and

930
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:22.159
how you helped launch what we have
today like on campus, well on there.

931
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:27.840
So my my, my, my, My oath or promise to Mail

932
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:32.639
is that you know, Mobin always
say that you know you guys's responsibility is

933
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:38.039
to build us a national championship caliber
program on the field. My responsibility is

934
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.880
to help build one off the field. So if there's every you know,

935
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:46.000
I was working with our entrepreneur program
in Michigan State as a mentor where we

936
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:51.639
would come home once a week and
we've listened to pitches from different different students

937
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.519
about what they was doing. And
I thought in our program ended up winning

938
01:01:54.519 --> 01:02:00.360
an award like a top fifteen program
in the nation. And so I picked

939
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:01.760
up the phone and told Mill,
I said, man, this is what

940
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:06.679
we need to be doing, you
know, And so we got Darien plugged.

941
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:12.280
Then Darien was kind of messing around
and then you know, every once

942
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:14.840
in a while, I have to
call Meal Mill out of fire. Mil

943
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.159
don't got no patience. You know, he'd be ready if you put the

944
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.760
pressure on there, and then it's
gonna you know, if I pick up

945
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.920
and sometimes I'll try to work with
the guys, but if they be bs

946
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.119
and I'll just call mal the mil
be Like I thought, we was doing

947
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.719
this, this needs to be a
priority to them. And then next thing

948
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.400
you know, we heat it's a
video of him over there, daring over

949
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.480
there, and we're doing the program. So that particular program, I had

950
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.559
told the people in the program because
I did my one year and I wanted

951
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:44.519
to stay involved with it, and
I thought it was dope. So I

952
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.199
hooked them up where they went and
did a program and it still should be

953
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:52.360
ongoing. And then I was messing
around and I found another program that we

954
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.719
was doing on branding and marketing and
starting a business, and I told them

955
01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:00.360
about that, and so I just
looked ways. Like I tell people,

956
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:05.440
sometimes we may not be able to
outtradition people because they've been here longer,

957
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.079
but we can outcool people, and
we can do certain things and you know,

958
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:13.360
like you know, last year,
I helped Mayo do the playlist on

959
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:17.199
Spotify. When we had the playlist
that Mayo got a playlist, we created

960
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.599
some content and stuff like that.
So it's just like I said, it's

961
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.480
a lot of young people that are
athletes that want to do music or entertainment,

962
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:30.320
and there's a lot of people in
entertainment that think they're athletes. So

963
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.280
there's a cross section there, and
we happen to sit right in the middle

964
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.880
of it because these people are our
clients. And so anytime that you know,

965
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.880
I got a Michigan State flag up
in my office, I'm always wearing

966
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.800
Michigan State stuff. So anytime there's
a conversation, like, one of our

967
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:51.719
best players this year should be Malik
Spencer and his dad is his name is

968
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:53.480
Block, and he used to run
Bad Boys South and you know, he'd

969
01:03:53.559 --> 01:04:00.599
helped discover Geez, used to discover
Rick Ross, Sierra was in the hood

970
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.639
and all that stuff, and young
Jock and he used to talk so bad

971
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:08.119
about Michian State. He used to
call us do He used to tell me

972
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:12.599
his son ain't never going there,
And behold, Malik went up there and

973
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.119
fell in love with it. And
Malik would have played a lot last year,

974
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.599
but he separated his shoulder, and
I got all the confidence in the

975
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:26.239
world that our secondary about. Yeah, Malik is a dog, Yeah,

976
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.480
always out there. So it's just
like any time. You know, I'm

977
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.920
just so associated with the program that
anytime something happened, people come to me

978
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:38.119
and talk to me about it.
And then you know, with Mayle coaching

979
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.480
here and Georgia, you know,
man, I've seen things like you know.

980
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.199
So we basically we took my wife
work to the Braids. So we

981
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:50.000
set up a MSU day at Truest
Park with the Braids play. We got

982
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.920
a suite. We probably had about
ninety Michian State alumni come to the game.

983
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.840
Mayle and sayed, and coach Baggett
came out there before the game.

984
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:01.920
You know, we celebrated saying to
fight the fight song. Male spoke.

985
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.880
We went up to the suits and
then I'm like, man, if Kirby

986
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.760
Smart was here, they would put
this face up on the screen. So

987
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.000
I called my wife. We make
arrangements, were putting mail on the screen.

988
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.840
Michigan State head football coach were sitting
there, Mail pull up his phone.

989
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:18.000
He said, damn, is this
what you wanted. One of the

990
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.800
recruits was like, I'm at the
game and I just seen you on screen.

991
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.599
What we want? You know,
we want to create moments, we

992
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.119
want to create content, We want
to take advantage of the fact that mail

993
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:34.440
is cool and that a little bit
of swag, and so any opportunity that

994
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.239
you know that I see out there, you know, I'm a I'm I'm

995
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.960
gonna call him and tell him about
it. And then of course when we

996
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.480
played the bowl game here, man, I was right up my alley.

997
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.119
You know, we threw you know, four parties. Man, y'all,

998
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:50.199
y'all wore me out, but we
do and it was fun time. Man.

999
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:56.679
So so my thing is, like, you know, just for what

1000
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.920
we built, our company is great. We want of the best that we'll

1001
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.199
we do. We've been around twenty
eight years. Our very first client as

1002
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:06.679
outcasts, we jeez, he's in
there today. We just did a little

1003
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:11.920
baby, the little Low song that
Duval did, Squeeze, we did the

1004
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.119
Smile Be, We done, did
so many records and so you know,

1005
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:20.960
I'm trying to operate at a standard, and I don't if I know what

1006
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:26.679
the standard should be or what it
is. Then that's my expectation of what

1007
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.119
our program should operate with. And
I think that we as former players have

1008
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.800
a responsibility to elevate our program.
Like it's like we all got to chip

1009
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:39.360
in. We can't we can't leave
it on y'all to put stuff up like

1010
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.760
y'all do y'all part. But it's
all responsibility to like it, to promote

1011
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:45.679
it, to share, to make
it bigger. And so we all got

1012
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.599
to be working moving in the right
direction. And I'm trying to make the

1013
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:53.239
program better, you know what I
mean. And we got to support Mail

1014
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:57.280
and the coaching staff and everybody that's
out there. Yeah, you know,

1015
01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.559
I know we're running out of time. By Freddie, I got it.

1016
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.519
Uh say, you you do a
lot of stuff, you know, behind

1017
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:05.920
the scenes, you know that people
don't know. And one thing that you

1018
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:11.559
do is this, uh this,
you know, the Spartan dog dinner and

1019
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.079
uh you know that is something that
you know, I'm gonna, you know,

1020
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:19.079
put it out here right you know
me. Um, it's something that

1021
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:26.679
I think the former players need that
more than you know. I think we

1022
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.840
all realize, you know, the
opportunity to come back together with your old

1023
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.400
dogs and you know, you can
bring your family there and you you know,

1024
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:38.840
have a nice meal. You know, the music, the DJ,

1025
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:43.559
the bar and everything like that come
together, and that's something that that cannot

1026
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:46.320
go away. You know, that's
something that's needed. We have to have

1027
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:53.960
that every single year that you look
at it. I thought you was talking

1028
01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:00.400
about the ones we did in the
past. You you apply pressure on here,

1029
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.639
just like oh here, well,
you know my thing is so like

1030
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:09.199
when I look at that, if
we were good enough to stay in that

1031
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:12.119
hotel and eat in that hotel,
then we're good enough to stay in there

1032
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.840
and eat in there. Now when
I come up there, and I'll be

1033
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.600
like, Okay, well, the
MSU Black alumni is having the event,

1034
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:23.680
but it's at the Causeway Bay Hotel. It ain't even on campus. Man,

1035
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.960
I'm not as a former football player
that done sacrifice and got injured playing

1036
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:30.840
up there and put blood, sweat
and tear, I still feel like we're

1037
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:34.319
good enough to eat in that hotel. And so for years I was coming

1038
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:38.600
up there and it would be like, man, you really coming up there

1039
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.960
to see your brothers, and so
you want to have conversations and talk and

1040
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.119
meet the family and meet the wads
and all this stuff. But when we

1041
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.439
would go to the game, we
might be in different sections. You may

1042
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.079
be working. We don't get to
see you. We only get to see

1043
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:56.079
you on the sideline when the game
ends. Some people running back home,

1044
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.479
some people eating over here, some
people eating over here, And so I

1045
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:04.239
wanted to make it a point where
when the game is over, just walk

1046
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.920
back to the hotel. The dinner
start an hour after the game, hen

1047
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:12.000
and bring everybody, bring your wife, bring your kids, bring your friends.

1048
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.520
If they're a friend of you,
they're a friend of us. And

1049
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:17.359
so I've never been of one of
them people to try to make something super

1050
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:21.079
exclusive, because the smaller it is, the whacker it is to me.

1051
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:25.279
And so you know, I want
people to come in, and so it's

1052
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:29.279
weird. You know, we didn't
did it for twelve years, and it's

1053
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:31.520
some people that they first time even
hearing about her to come into it was

1054
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.199
last year. And when they come, they come up to me and think,

1055
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:38.720
well, you get that interview,
y'all be thinking me, And I'd

1056
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:42.800
be like, it's y'all that make
this event what it is. And so

1057
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:46.479
when you know, we we've really
just been trying to connect it because we

1058
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.640
were there from the nineties to the
ninety fives and I can touch them people,

1059
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:53.680
and then you know, we're trying
to get the people from them Rose

1060
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:58.239
Bowl teams and you guys heres to
kind of come together. But it's a

1061
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.600
challenge, you know what I mean, And so we just keep plugging away

1062
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.159
at it. And they on me
because I said I probably wasn't gonna do

1063
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:06.359
the dinner this year, you know
what I mean. And I'm still still

1064
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:11.199
thinking about it or whatever, and
it means something to me. And you

1065
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:13.840
know, they've been on my neck
and saying that you know, it's not

1066
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.359
about it. We gotta do to
make it happen. Yeah, what you

1067
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.359
mean for support, because we gotta. I think it's the fun every people.

1068
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:26.079
And Freddy had this, he made
this kind of like listen, everything

1069
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:30.119
ain't free. Like people show up
and they don't want to give financially right,

1070
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:34.600
but how can dogs give? Take
some whoa pressure away from that?

1071
01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:39.079
That ain't real? Really right.
It's like for me, like I tell

1072
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:42.119
people, I kind of you either
doing something to get paid or you're doing

1073
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.640
it and you want to feel appreciated
and you want to feel the gratitude,

1074
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:48.760
and the moment that you don't start
feeling gratitude, you're being near, start

1075
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:53.760
feeling like people taking you for granted, and you know, and it's almost

1076
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.880
like something you be here taking for
granted and then are they using you?

1077
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.319
So me my style is It's like, you know, if you want to

1078
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.319
know if your business matters, you
have to ask people or ask what will

1079
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.520
happen if you went away with people
miss you. So for me, I

1080
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:11.600
ain't gonna sit around and complain.
I'll just disappear and if they don't say

1081
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.039
anything, then that means they didn't
miss me and it didn't matter, you

1082
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.199
know. Some of the things.
It's just like like I'll be telling people,

1083
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.680
you know, when we start at
the dinner. I mean, there

1084
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:25.359
are certain expenses. The dinner at
the hotel costs a certain amount of money,

1085
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:29.359
and then they're gonna charge your gratuity
and charge you taxes and service fees.

1086
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.800
For the first five years, people
was complaining that it was fifty five

1087
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:35.279
dollars or something. So I would
just make them pay the fifty five dollars

1088
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:40.640
and then I would pay the taxes
and the tip. My thing is like

1089
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:44.560
I don't even be tripping on that. But what takes the energy away is

1090
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:47.479
when I hear somebody man the food
in there and even good, while we

1091
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:50.079
gotta keep going back there, can
we go somewhere else? And I just

1092
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:55.880
be like, it's an energy zapper. So it would really be about do

1093
01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:02.079
like, if I do this,
am I gonna feel like people appreciated it?

1094
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.880
And if I get the feeling that
they don't appreciate it, then I

1095
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:11.600
kind of like to cancel something before
it burns itself out. I read it.

1096
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.039
I'm like Belichick, I'd rather cut
you a year earlier. So it's

1097
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.920
kind of like, if I'm feeling
like that, then if I feel like

1098
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:23.279
that, then di vibe of how
I feel it's gonna come off in this

1099
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:26.920
event and y'all gonna be there.
That's gonna feel kind of funny because I'm

1100
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.239
gonna be irritated and be like,
I knew I didn't really want to do

1101
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.039
this. You know, you might
be like you have an old girl and

1102
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:35.199
you went back one last time,
you'd be like, you know what I

1103
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:40.720
mean, I'm sorry, I get
your point. I mean, yeah,

1104
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:45.960
yeah, so we we talked,
but me and Jason talked and stuff like

1105
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:51.640
that. And but but but I
already know Jason appreciates it. I know

1106
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:56.960
Jay who appreciate it, and Holdis
appreciates it. It's some other people that

1107
01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:00.640
I ain't heard from, and I
ain't sure if they appreciate it. Right.

1108
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.880
Look, Look, I think I
think this I think that, Look,

1109
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:10.239
you're gonna go when when things things
get tough, and you know that.

1110
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:14.640
I mean you've you've definitely done with
that in your life, with injuries

1111
01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:19.279
and trying to be trying to get
your degree, being outside in the in

1112
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:24.720
the hot sun when you had a
college degree. You when you's in college,

1113
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:28.600
you don't you deserve ac when you
in college, you know what I

1114
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.399
mean. Look, but you were
able to overcome that, right, and

1115
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:36.479
sometimes when things are tough, that
worth it. That's all I can tell

1116
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:39.640
you, Like, like you look, I know, I know. I

1117
01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:43.399
mean there's a lot of external things
and in terms of we can't talk about,

1118
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:45.640
but when it's tough, it's worth
it. You It's ain't time to

1119
01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:49.199
give up. Man, that's not
agree And that's why I said that.

1120
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:54.640
As of now, I don't but
I didn't say I'm not doing it.

1121
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:59.960
And I'm like, I'm optimistic that
you brought it up. That's all.

1122
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:03.560
I wrote it up because I love
it. I wrote it up because I

1123
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:06.119
love it. I think it's a
great thing and I think there's a lot

1124
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:10.960
of people out there that that need
that. You know, I think I

1125
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:13.920
do think it's important to do it
because when you don't do it, you

1126
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.920
lose all that momentum. And it's
like we've been doing it for twelve years

1127
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:20.199
and it's only the last year.
They charged me extra money because we had

1128
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:25.880
so many people and so many people
had such a good experience that I reserved

1129
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:29.119
a bigger boom for this year.
So we'll see how it goes if we

1130
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:33.279
three and oh I might do it. Here we go all the people.

1131
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:42.359
So you're in the music industry,
Um does that? You know? You're

1132
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:45.800
in the day and the day with
different artists and everything. You said,

1133
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.760
you know, one of my one
of my favorite group when I came from

1134
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:53.880
Africa. Um, the first ever
cassette that I ever got was Outcasts.

1135
01:14:54.399 --> 01:15:03.279
You know I got that for Christmas
and what's that seven playalistic music that you

1136
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:12.960
know? Outcast was. You know, it's my favorite group, you know

1137
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.920
Outcast and there you know, Um, do you have you know, like

1138
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:17.960
I said, you work with a
buck. You're in the day to day.

1139
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:20.159
Do you ever take a step back
and be like, man, I

1140
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.640
really like this, you know,
like do you have like a top five

1141
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.680
you know artists and everything like that
or well, well, you know,

1142
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.439
for me, there's it's it's like
a bunch of different things. So because

1143
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:36.319
you know, because outcast gave us
our credibility. So always I don't say

1144
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:42.520
them because they just voted the greatest
group, but they literally gave us our

1145
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.800
credibility because when people saw our name
on their CD and they sold three to

1146
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.760
four million copies, they like,
where did they do this in? We

1147
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.880
want this type of sound, So
they gave us our credibility, right,

1148
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:58.720
And then you know, being from
California, we had doctor dre intown for

1149
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:04.000
seven straight days and I remember Brian, y'all don't know these people name,

1150
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:05.960
but he called me. He was
like, Kurt Dray want to come to

1151
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:10.399
Atlanta for a week, and we
ain't going nowhere but to you guys.

1152
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:14.640
And they arrived on a Sunday,
and back then you couldn't buy liquor on

1153
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:21.279
Sunday. And doctor Drake wanted three
fifths or tangaray and called my homeboy,

1154
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:26.680
who was a marriage at Justine's,
which was Puppy's restaurant, and I went

1155
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:30.159
through there and got three three fifths
of tangaray, so we can make that

1156
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:35.399
happen. So doctor dre was cool. Um, you know, personally for

1157
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:41.600
me, there are certain things that
I kind of didn't believe and I wanted

1158
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.319
to see, Like so like when
I hear a twister or E forty rap,

1159
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:48.840
I didn't believe that they was doing
that. So I'm like, I'm

1160
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:54.319
gonna gonna sit in here and I
and I want to see twister rap like

1161
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:58.119
that, like heat doing some type
of trick or whatever. And then they

1162
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:01.399
go in there and they spit it
or you here, Like I tell people,

1163
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.399
Scarface is a jokester. He'd be
bagging on you. He funny.

1164
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:10.359
But then when he going in the
mic, he talked continue in this one

1165
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:13.560
voice, and when he going there
and start rapping, it's Scarface, so

1166
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:16.239
it's it's weird. And then we
had Farrakhan out there four weeks, so

1167
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.279
I didn't I didn't work. I
just sat next to him for twelve hours

1168
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:23.479
a day, three hours a day. And then I'll tell you the time.

1169
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:29.000
Like I met Jay Z sou jeezus
at the studio and so he brings

1170
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:30.319
he was, Kurt, come back
here, I want you to meet Jay.

1171
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:34.560
So I go back there and he's
like Jay with something that Kirt Kurt.

1172
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:38.960
So I shake his hand like I'm
Kurt. So when he's shaking my

1173
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.760
hand. What do you think?
He says to me, Give all y'all

1174
01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:44.680
a guess. What what do you
think? Jay Z? How does he

1175
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:50.600
introduce itself? Sean first, go
to this first? How does he Oh,

1176
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:55.359
I'm about to say he said go
green, but now, but he

1177
01:17:55.479 --> 01:18:00.560
was saying Sean Carter, Uh no, Jason, what he says? Hold,

1178
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:15.560
that's what that said. It like, man, he was liked Jean

1179
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:24.920
or Jay or Jigger. He was
like, oh, so that was cool.

1180
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.239
And then you know we have Ryan
in there, and I didn't go

1181
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:33.840
meet her because and I didn't go
meet Alicia or Beyonce. And it's weird

1182
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.640
because it's kind of like I'll be
telling people, it's like if you the

1183
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:41.319
chef or at the restaurant, some
people want you to come out and greet

1184
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:45.560
them at the table, and some
people be offended if you don't come out.

1185
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:49.039
But as the owner of the studio, sometimes if I come out,

1186
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:55.479
they'll stop calling the managers when they
want something. So everything that they want

1187
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.680
since they met me, they're gonna
call me now, and it's gonna make

1188
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.560
me work more. So like when
we did we did my rider right and

1189
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.920
everybody was worried everybody was worried.
We had her and we had a rid,

1190
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:09.800
a two hundred thousand dollar piano.
We got it. She had a

1191
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:16.359
rider with all this candy roses,
mint throat coat, wine, water cool.

1192
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.560
So I'm at home and they're like, we can't find the wine.

1193
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:23.399
So I'm like, well, I
gotta total wine over here. I run

1194
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.359
over here and get it. Man, ain't no big deal, and I'll

1195
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:28.720
get reimbursed. Man, I went
over to buy wine. That wine was

1196
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:34.000
like twenty one hundred dollars, so
little people. We go to the studio

1197
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.000
and it's like all the people from
the labels and came in. They came

1198
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:44.000
in early. They all worried.
I got like a two page rider and

1199
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.479
we get all the stuff. So
then the next day they liked, Curtis,

1200
01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.000
we want to talk to you.
So I come in the office.

1201
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:53.039
I'm like, how did everything go? It was like, man, we

1202
01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:59.159
needed some long stin flute glasses and
you guys didn't have it. I said,

1203
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:00.880
well, was it on the list? He was like no, he

1204
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:01.520
said, I said, well it
they give him? He said yeah,

1205
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.399
they got him. I said,
okay, cool, I said anything else?

1206
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:09.800
He was like, man, the
Vendom machine and give me no chance,

1207
01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:16.199
said, get the fuck everything on
the list. You are here talking

1208
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.359
about the Vendom machine to y'all,
said, man, come on, And

1209
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:26.159
I was proud of ourselves. We
delivered. Maria put every room because she

1210
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:30.079
didn't want anybody else in the building. And they told the engineer to get

1211
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:31.920
out of the room. If we
need you will intercommune. So she had

1212
01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:38.319
the rooms from twelve until PM until
the engineers and everybody would get there,

1213
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:43.000
Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis, all
these different producers. Maria would show up

1214
01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:45.479
at eleven forty five at night,
man, when she put her kid to

1215
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:49.079
bed, and she would work all
the way to the next day, you

1216
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.600
know. And then when we had
to you know, when Bobby and Whitney,

1217
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.319
when Whitney was alive, she was
up there and she still could sing

1218
01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:00.720
and stuff like that. Her voice
was still cool. Just a lot of

1219
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:02.439
different stories, man, And it's
it's a it's a blessing. So it's

1220
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:06.279
cool to kind of you have some
artists that you get closer to, you

1221
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:10.920
know, over over time, you
know what I mean. And and some

1222
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.640
of them who are you the closest
with, Well, I ain't gonna stay

1223
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:16.680
closest with, but I might talk
to I'll talk to them. Two three,

1224
01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:20.399
Well, I talked to David Banner. Um, I talked to if

1225
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:25.079
I there's people that I'm comfortable where
I don't. I don't like owing people

1226
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:29.159
favors. So I have some people. If it's Jacobin, if it's Jay

1227
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:31.239
Tobyn, if it's Drummer Boy,
if it's David Banner, if it's Bone

1228
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:35.479
Pressure, if it's the young Bloods, if it's Ludacris. Um, it's

1229
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:40.800
just different people that I feel comfortable
with because we started together. So a

1230
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.159
lot of these people, you know, they you guys didn't know who they

1231
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.439
were. Nobody knew who Ludacris was
when we was doing this first album.

1232
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:49.800
Uh, Jay who you didn't know
who t I was when we was doing

1233
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:54.439
that first album. Damn sure.
I didn't know who Sierra was. I

1234
01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.960
didn't know who Jeezy was. You
didn't know who Little John was. You

1235
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:01.000
didn't know who the young Blood were. All these different people, and nobody

1236
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:05.600
knew who ACoM were. So we
just in there working on these projects and

1237
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:10.960
you build these build this relationship where
you do a good job and like I

1238
01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:15.960
tell people, you know, these
artists blew up and if we didn't grow

1239
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.920
with them, they would have left
us. But because we grew and we

1240
01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:23.239
ended up building a world class facility, they still can come back in there.

1241
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.279
Like we just we did something that
was dope for ludicrous. If you

1242
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.800
guys ever see that Jiffy commercial with
him wrapping or whatever, you should look

1243
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.000
it up. That's in our studio, you know. And he did the

1244
01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:39.439
Monday night football thing with the country
girl. We did that at the studio.

1245
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:42.760
If you come to Atlanta and you
going through the airport and you hear

1246
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.399
our mayor saying welcome to Atlanta.
This is Mayor such and such. We've

1247
01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:53.000
been recording most for the last five
or six mayors. Bottom Yeah, yeah,

1248
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:58.479
we do, Yeah, we do
those recordings. A lot of the

1249
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.239
Democrats, the political campaigns, they
come and we do their voiceovers at the

1250
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:05.119
studio. A lot of the reality
shows we do them at the studio.

1251
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:12.520
We shot the Chipmunks at the studio. This is crazy. This is so

1252
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:15.479
yeah. So we just we just
be working and so I will say this

1253
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.159
when we you know, the first
year we did the Spartan Dog Con,

1254
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:23.479
I was one of the speakers and
we had been working on our documentary and

1255
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:28.239
the twenty four year documentary, and
we had cut like a six minute sizzle

1256
01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:30.039
reel, and all the time working
on it, I've been looking at it

1257
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:33.039
on my phone and on my computer, but I never just really sat there

1258
01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.680
and listened to it. And so
when we went in that meeting room and

1259
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:41.159
they got them big old TVs with
them subble for us, that was the

1260
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:45.319
first time I sat in the audience
and watched that. And when it went

1261
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:49.880
off, I almost didn't get up
until they stopped clapping, because after I

1262
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:55.199
watched it, I literally said to
myself, then we actually did something.

1263
01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:58.880
It looks like we did something.
Because when you're in the midst of all

1264
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:02.239
of that stuff that you do,
it's so much work. We typically start

1265
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:06.279
working by nine thirty in the morning
and our last session usually ends by five

1266
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:10.399
or six in the morning. Seven
days a week, so we may go

1267
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:15.560
an eleven thirteen different sessions every single
day and were working. And so when

1268
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:19.800
you work in you know, we
never it's like we in college and we

1269
01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:23.760
balling out and we're going to the
Rose Bowl every year, but we never

1270
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:28.840
graduate. You don't really ever celebrate
that Rose Bowl until it's five, six,

1271
01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:30.560
seven, eight, nine, ten
years down the line. So we

1272
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:34.600
literally in the midst of this stuff. We didn't just we don't have time

1273
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:38.840
to tell you that. We did
Outcast, second, third, fourth,

1274
01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:42.000
and fifth album. We did Jeezy's
first, second, third, fourth album.

1275
01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:45.520
We done all these albums because we're
literally doing this stuff, so we

1276
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:49.319
do. We try, right,
So I always be like I'm competitive,

1277
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.840
and I'd be like, when all
that Versus was going on, I was

1278
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:57.039
like, maybe we're gonna battle another
studio with Versus. But then when I

1279
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.000
started thinking about it, I was
like, I I can't pick twenty five

1280
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:06.079
songs because we were doing these whole
albums, and I'm gonna offend somebody.

1281
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:10.800
So if I don't pick Monica,
and I don't pick Goodie, and I

1282
01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:13.880
don't pick this and this and this, and we've done so many records,

1283
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.720
we didn't we pick the cubic stuff. But we was doing That's just my

1284
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:24.680
Baby Daddy that we did that record, We did My Bouley when y'all was

1285
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:29.439
doing a my Boot Challenge. We
did records and so it's like it's it's

1286
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.760
like you end up I'm careful to
kind of say all the not to say

1287
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:38.199
all the stuff that we did I'd
rather have other people say it because it

1288
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:42.119
sounds like you. It don't sound
believable, you know, so like when

1289
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.319
you literally go out of town.
I remember it was in Jamaica. It

1290
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:47.640
was in the club and it was
playing records, and out of ten records,

1291
01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.359
we worked on six of them.
And that was the moment that I

1292
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:54.800
was like, man, this stuff
is literally going around the world, and

1293
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.560
so it's cool. And so my
expectation is that my football program is going

1294
01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:00.720
to operate on that level off the
field, and I'm not about to sit

1295
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:04.199
around here and complain about it.
If I know some things that to help

1296
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.399
us move along, then I'm I'm
gonna try to help as best as I

1297
01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:12.600
can. And I'm definitely gonna talk
to these kids and encourage them that when

1298
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:15.279
they Atlanta to come by and and
you know, and even when they graduate.

1299
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:19.119
I still talk to trade um um
trade person. I talked to him

1300
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:23.319
the other day. I still talked
to was number twenty four from Flint or

1301
01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:29.199
running back that we all love Gerald
he hold on Freddy, Well, we

1302
01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:31.399
gotta we gotta catch that ludicris right
quick. Let's just see that so everybody

1303
01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:43.359
can see what a little bit jeffic
commercial. Oh they got the audio audio

1304
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:54.479
it was good. I really Freddy
like the Lucris paid on Simmerson and that's

1305
01:26:54.520 --> 01:27:00.840
that's he usually he used to but
now he he used to have razord on

1306
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:04.760
and stuff. He's one of the
people. What I tell people about Chris

1307
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:10.439
is you can't make any money off
of him because he gets to the studio

1308
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:14.760
twenty minutes early and sits in his
car. He rides round, come in

1309
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:15.600
all time, and he gets the
hell up out of there. Now.

1310
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:20.039
The other they're gonna go up there
as a smoke, some weed drink being

1311
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.880
laid and run the clock on you. But ludicrous, man, I gotta

1312
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:27.479
I tell him all the time and
his managers like, we can't make no

1313
01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:33.920
money off of him. Man,
he that's awesome. What was the best

1314
01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:38.399
like session? Because like when you're
talking about somebody going in the booth and

1315
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:43.279
like just fully going at it like
that, you've experienced of her like in

1316
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:48.600
your studio, Like what would be
the best best session? We we they're

1317
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:55.920
memorable things. Um Like I remember
when we was working on that that Goodie

1318
01:27:55.960 --> 01:28:00.479
Mob album, the first one,
and they came up with that that Black

1319
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:03.119
Ice, and they came up with
the same Dirty Dirty South, and they

1320
01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:06.600
was just Gip was running around the
studs Dirty South. And I used to

1321
01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:11.039
be like, man, what are
you doing. Um, if if there

1322
01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:14.239
are a couple of sessions, I
think that people think all legendary that we've

1323
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:17.319
done. Like I was telling them
earlier, we did ether Nas did ether

1324
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.199
there. He came in there and
he actually left his rhyme book and I

1325
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:25.800
asked and I actually looked through it
and I kept it in my office and

1326
01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:30.600
I was gonna keep it forever in
my partner doing stuff away and he got

1327
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:35.079
rid of it. Man, I
was so And then um, you know,

1328
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:40.039
PIMC did his verse with Big Pimping, which was it's like a dope

1329
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:43.560
story. He didn't want to do
the record and he came in there and

1330
01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:46.720
he did that. He did that
verse a Big Pimping at the studio and

1331
01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:51.840
um, and then I remember when
we went doing Jez's listening party. Um,

1332
01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:55.840
you know, I'll just be telling
people, perspective is one thing.

1333
01:28:56.359 --> 01:28:59.359
And we had a listening party.
We probably had about three hundred four hundred

1334
01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:01.239
people in there. We was we
was deep with all that BMF stuff.

1335
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:04.840
So we just it was deep up
in there. And I remember the first

1336
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:10.239
time that people heard that Soul Survivor
with him and acoun it was unexpected,

1337
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:14.399
and I remember when it went off, the room was quiet and all you

1338
01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:16.399
heard was somebody who was like,
play that shit again, and they ran

1339
01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:21.640
and then and then it was it
was when we was working on that project.

1340
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:26.199
He had so much street buzz from
them trapp of digs and the mixtapes,

1341
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.880
and I remember that they needed one
more record, and I remember when

1342
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:34.319
Manny Fresh came in there and they
did that and then boom and then they

1343
01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:38.960
put that record album. Man,
you just watched that album take fire.

1344
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:43.359
So it just be It's kind of
like like I told wa Waka called me

1345
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:47.359
um for something. He was trying
to do some accounting on his books and

1346
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.039
he called me, and I had
seen him on a couple of things,

1347
01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:55.359
but I don't always see these people
until when he called me. I took

1348
01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:59.079
the moment and it's like, man, I'm proud of you, man,

1349
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.920
Like it's good to see you grow
up. And and you see these people

1350
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:06.640
when they're so young and they ran
bunctions and they're smoking and drinking and fighting

1351
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:11.640
and getting in trouble. And the
sad part is when their life get cut

1352
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:15.800
off. They never had the opportunity
to become who they become. So I

1353
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:18.439
always like when I like when I
see Gucci now all like the other day,

1354
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:26.199
Jeez walked in the studio. This
was on Tuesday day before yesterday,

1355
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:29.119
and I was just like, Man, I'm proud of you. Man.

1356
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:32.439
You don't grow up like you know, and it's man, I'd be like,

1357
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.760
dude, when you used to walk
in here. Man, we used

1358
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:39.439
to have a hundred people, you
know what I mean they had when we

1359
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.960
when we was doing the BMF stuff. Man, they used to bring me

1360
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.560
so much cash, right, and
they used to be mad. He would

1361
01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:48.960
blue blue ordered bags of money.
So they would literally call somebody and they

1362
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:54.119
would bring these bags of money and
I would literally be counting out fifteen thousand

1363
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:57.439
dollars and they would be good because
I was counting. And that's when I

1364
01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:02.239
realized that money do stink. So
you know what we did. He bought

1365
01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:06.640
me a money machine. So I
still got this when the BMFI was coming

1366
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:09.920
out, we made a video about
it. But he bought me a money

1367
01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:13.159
machine, because man, they would
bring so much money in there. You'd

1368
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:17.760
have to put them twenties in there. Look That's what I'm saying. So

1369
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:23.000
when when you're dealing with somebody who
twenty twenty two and they're coming in with

1370
01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:27.039
all them homeboards and all them guns
and all this stuff, and then now

1371
01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.279
twenty years later, Jezzi pull up
in his Bentley truck in the back.

1372
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.960
He'd get out by himself, and
he walked in the studio by himself.

1373
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:41.880
Man, that's such a you just
you're rooting for these people, and you

1374
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:44.960
when you see them get in trouble. So like when all these people was

1375
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:48.560
talking about that Gucci and Jez's versus
and how worried they were and how tense

1376
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:53.039
it was. I'm like, man, we was in the studio with one

1377
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:56.720
in one room in the other room. How y'all think we feel y'all?

1378
01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.159
Twenty years later and they ain't really
tripping. We was in the mud with

1379
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:04.039
these people. And so when you
see that stuff, you just haineful that

1380
01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:09.560
these people live long enough to turn
into them best selves. And so those

1381
01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:12.239
are some of the things I just
like to see people, you know,

1382
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:15.199
like all that problems Tip was getting
in and stuff. He'd just be like,

1383
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:17.760
man, come on, man,
chill out. Man, That's what

1384
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:24.439
you root for. These people.
So you know, me and Otis watched

1385
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:30.159
the National Championship game college football with
Tip right next to ye. Yeah,

1386
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.000
he good people, man, and
he's doing a lot. You know.

1387
01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:39.199
It's just like I said, sometimes
people lives get cut short before they turned

1388
01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:42.359
in who they really were going to
be. And Waka just grew up.

1389
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:44.960
Man. He'll tell you you don't
like to spend his money he invests,

1390
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:47.239
he'd be like I messed up with
my wife, you know what I mean.

1391
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:50.039
But he's growing up, man,
and he he ain't involved all that

1392
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:55.159
bus anymore. I mean, this
is crazy. I mean, we can

1393
01:32:55.199 --> 01:33:00.560
talk to you, man, I
think. Yeah, Claire broke on the

1394
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:02.359
record the time. We gotta do
all we gotta do. Next, we

1395
01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:09.159
gotta do a live in Atlanta,
in Atlanta, in Atlanta, we gotta

1396
01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:12.920
no no no in Michigan State for
you know, the smart Dog dinner.

1397
01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:16.840
That's what we got that too,
that too. Yeah, And I do

1398
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:19.399
want to say, like, I
mean, it was living there, you

1399
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:23.840
know, that was it was.
It was a it was a blessing of

1400
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:27.439
them. You know, I say
tell people all the time, I think

1401
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:30.680
maybe my first year I didn't enjoy
it because I was constantly comparing everything to

1402
01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:33.720
what I would be doing in California. I would be like, man,

1403
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:36.960
this a little Radley Burger. I
would be in and out, man I

1404
01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:41.399
would be doing or whatever. And
then it wasn't until and I was like,

1405
01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:43.720
man, they well I got there. There was like we don't we

1406
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:45.920
can't dance off of rapping music and
it was playing all that loop music and

1407
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:49.479
we didn't play that. I didn't
know nothing about it. And it wasn't

1408
01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:54.800
until I let go of home and
stop comparing everything to home that I enjoyed

1409
01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:59.000
Michigan for what it was. And
that's what made my transition better when I

1410
01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:01.399
came to Atlanta, because I didn't
bring that attitude, you know, And

1411
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:04.680
I always try to tell people when
they go to college or they go somewhere,

1412
01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:09.720
stop coming. It doesn't matter where
you're from. Like if you ask

1413
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:13.720
me where I'm from, you know, I don't really say. I don't

1414
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:16.880
think of it as La or California. That's just home. It doesn't matter

1415
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:20.720
where you go in this world.
Nothing is going to compare to your home.

1416
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:24.880
And if you always comparing stuff to
what you would have been doing when

1417
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.479
you was at home and you never
let it go, you're not going to

1418
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:31.039
enjoy the things that the place you
in has the offer. So my last

1419
01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:34.000
you know, three four years in
Michigan, man, I start appreciating the

1420
01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:39.720
you know, the seasons, when
the when the leagues would change. You

1421
01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:42.680
know, I didn't know why people
wore glasses in Michigan in the winter.

1422
01:34:42.760 --> 01:34:45.159
I used to be like, but
then when you step outside and it's all

1423
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:50.920
white, y'all, y'all be y'all
be having stuff that y'all just assumed everybody

1424
01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:56.479
know. And I was like,
why would you wear glasses in the winter?

1425
01:34:56.600 --> 01:35:01.399
Man? Outside everything is white?
I said, man, I need

1426
01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:05.800
some glasses. So you know,
those are life lessons that I picked up

1427
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:11.800
at school. And I think Michigan, the Midwest in general, is very

1428
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.359
special when it comes to music because
you guys listen to everything, and y'all

1429
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:18.520
not biased, you know what I
mean. Y'all listen to West Coast,

1430
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:23.880
y'all listen to Midwestern y'all listen to
the East Coast down south. And I

1431
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:28.159
think that that's why people like Jeez
and Snoop them they number one fan base

1432
01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.520
is in Detroit or in Michigan,
like y'all, like the real judges of

1433
01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:35.000
this music thing. Y'all support anybody
that's dope. As long as they dope,

1434
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:40.880
y'all like them. And you guys
are very important to our music industry

1435
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.960
out there in the Midwest wherein God's
Daughter or not, a lot of people

1436
01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:47.119
are supported because y'all gonna go out
and support these people. But LA be

1437
01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:51.479
biased. New York definitely be biased
and down South people, they love their

1438
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:56.079
people. But the people in the
Midwest, you know, y'all from great

1439
01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.399
people. Man, y'all do a
week week. I know y'all people,

1440
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.039
y'all heart working people, your family
people, y'all honest people, and y'all

1441
01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:09.640
good people. And I'm a better
person for spending those doing my five year

1442
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:16.560
prison did in East Lansing. Stop. Yeah, I better get I better

1443
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:24.439
get the invite when ed Sharon's recording
in there. We did one day we

1444
01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:28.800
did um. I didn't know when
I came to work and it was a

1445
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:32.000
tour bus in the front and it
was about twelve little white girls lined up

1446
01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:41.520
out there. We was doing somebody
called One Direction. Yeah, yeah,

1447
01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:47.319
yeah, I think Justin Timberlake was
there. I didn't know. There's a

1448
01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:49.840
picture of him. And then I
didn't even know who the dude was,

1449
01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:54.520
but it was the Jonas brother.
Dude was sitting there for for for a

1450
01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:58.479
while. And um, we've had
shared at the studio. We've done sting.

1451
01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:01.880
Um you know we did I don't
know if you so you like the

1452
01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:06.119
country stuff, but we we did
Blanco Brown's the trailer trap stuff or whatever.

1453
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:10.199
So we get to do a few
things every once in a while.

1454
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:14.119
Man, But they they caught a
Pigeonhold you as an urban rap studio,

1455
01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.119
and some stuff don't come through there
all the time. But usually if somebody's

1456
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:21.439
touring and they playing in Atlanta and
they need to work, then that they

1457
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:24.840
will call us. So that's how
we get some of that other stuff.

1458
01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:30.439
But if he comes, what you're
saying that money don't e scrim We just

1459
01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:34.119
we just did um what is it
due? They used to Mark Anthony and

1460
01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:38.960
the engineer he told me, he
was like, man, this is the

1461
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:44.800
first time that we've ever done a
Mark Anthony song outside of Miami. He's

1462
01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:47.960
like, you guys wanna get a
Grammy for this one. And it was

1463
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:54.680
like if it happened because this producer
moved to Atlanta and and he needed a

1464
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:57.680
studio and he looked us up so
they chose us, so hopefully that will

1465
01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:00.479
turn into something in the future.
But they loved the room. Then we

1466
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:05.960
delivered and did a good job.
There was one question I know before because

1467
01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:09.920
we legit we've broken the record.
But it's been great, man, Like,

1468
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:13.039
it's like we're back, We're back
to this in person talking and rafter.

1469
01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:15.640
But somebody said, like, what, what's an upcoming artist that we

1470
01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:19.119
may not know of that has been
putting up some good stuff. But I

1471
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.239
don't know if you got an NBA
or another, but you can't. I'm

1472
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:27.439
gonna look it's a dude right now. I'm looking on my Homeboys page because

1473
01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:30.680
I think this is the it's a
new artist. I think his name is.

1474
01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:33.159
We just did this record. We
did it about a week ago,

1475
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:38.319
and I see they put it out
two days ago. The artist's name is

1476
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:45.000
Little Dan and um it's called Family
Freestyle featuring Wham so it got a little

1477
01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:48.239
baby on it. So the artist
is Little Dan L I L D A

1478
01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:53.359
N N. And that record just
came out two days ago. And then

1479
01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:59.560
there's another artist called I think his
name is BB really Bad BB Trigger bb

1480
01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:04.359
A Trigger, Yeah, BBA Trigger. So his instagram is BBA trigger ninety

1481
01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:09.560
three and those are two people that
we've kind of been working on. It

1482
01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:12.640
kind of got next and then,
like I told you for I think Little

1483
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:16.000
Duvall did his due ball day,
so we did his record Squeeze and it's

1484
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:23.000
jumping out. Now there's a project
that we're working on now that I had

1485
01:39:23.039 --> 01:39:25.359
a friend of mine. He had
went to jail for ten years, man

1486
01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:28.239
no lie. He was an artist
signed in Too Short. He was he'd

1487
01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:30.920
been out for about ten years,
but he from Detroit and I brought him

1488
01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:35.439
into here and it made him cry. I brought another dude in there and

1489
01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:40.920
it gave him chills. And when
we brought the artists in there the day

1490
01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:45.319
before yesterday, the hair on his
arm stood up. I can't say what

1491
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:51.279
it is, but it's gonna be
something that you ain't never heard before,

1492
01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:58.199
and it's gonna blow you away.
And I'm hoping I'm hoping you know that,

1493
01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:01.960
well, we'll be he'll be able
to share with the world for the

1494
01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:08.479
fourth quarter and it'd be a Christmas
project. But it's something that anybody that

1495
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:14.239
I let here it has blown away. And he kind of wasn't really getting

1496
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:17.119
it at first. And we did
thirteen records and we brought him in and

1497
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:20.199
played them for him the day before
yesterday, and now he plugged in and

1498
01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:25.199
so it's it's about to be um
tho time. I think it's gonna be.

1499
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:29.359
I feel like we're gonna win some
awards for this particular project. It's

1500
01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:35.359
something that that's gonna be special.
M Wow, I got mad question.

1501
01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:40.560
I'm gonna call you have to Yeah, we got about that, but about

1502
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:44.520
about that. But look, I
got we gotta put some concerts together on

1503
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:47.359
campus. Man, I feel like
you you plug to get me. We

1504
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:51.199
so that that you know, all
that stuff is, we have the relationship

1505
01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:56.439
and so we we one person away
from whoever, you know, like we

1506
01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:00.039
we hood somebody up with Ludacris before
and it was gonna do the breast and

1507
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.159
way back in the day. And
then they paid them to deposit. They

1508
01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:04.880
didn't sell the ticket, so they
kind of canceled. They kept the money.

1509
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:08.960
But you know, we have access. So if there is anything that

1510
01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:12.000
you guys want to do, you
know, I'll connect you with the right

1511
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.199
person and then you guys can comment
take him from there. I'll be trying

1512
01:41:15.279 --> 01:41:17.479
not to get it. I'll be
trying not to get it. I'll try

1513
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:23.760
not to ask them for anything because
my favorites cost me so much. Like

1514
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:27.680
if they do trying to do stuff
and then let me get a week of

1515
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:29.880
studio, let me get three you
know what I mean. So I'll just

1516
01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:33.640
be like I try to keep it
and not ask them for anything. Because

1517
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:39.199
and we did a workshop with this
one producer and I'm gonna say his man,

1518
01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:43.840
Bangladesh, Sean Dre that did a
million, and he did a workshop

1519
01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:45.039
for us. Man, and then
he came in there and worked for a

1520
01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:51.039
week and didn't think he needed to
bamily. You know, son, Man,

1521
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:55.520
we appreciate, We appreciate it because
I know, straight straight out gotta

1522
01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:58.600
get his son. Until you talk
about parenting, Yeah, I gotta go

1523
01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:01.000
to practice and you know YEA know
about that. Yeah, we talked about

1524
01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:05.600
practice, man, We talk about
at a game. It's not okay,

1525
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:11.039
it's practice. But look hour and
forty two minutes, man, Look we

1526
01:42:11.079 --> 01:42:14.720
can go another hour and forty two
as far as if this is good,

1527
01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:18.000
good stuff. Man, appreciate you
coming and sharing your story with us,

1528
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:21.479
and you know we you know,
we just scratched the surface, man.

1529
01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:27.159
Man. Yeah, don't go far
away, man, because you know forget,

1530
01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:30.199
don't forget spart dog dinner and then
you know, come back on the

1531
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:34.239
show for your guests. All good, We're gonna see how I do a

1532
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:40.680
man appreciate it man, y'all doing
a good job man, and uh Jason

1533
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.359
be getting my feedback on the back
end. So keep going. What y'all

1534
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:49.399
doing a live appreciate man. Curtis
Daniel the third, pretty low man.

1535
01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:53.960
They listen, guys, that was
a great show. Look we went,

1536
01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:57.680
we broke a record. How about
that that that tells you something about who

1537
01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:02.159
the guest was. Man name dropped
and like you'd be like, bro crazy

1538
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:06.439
crazy access, but just the amount
of professionalism. I know you gotta go.

1539
01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:10.079
But this is a great one.
I enjoyed it, just talking about

1540
01:43:10.479 --> 01:43:15.720
old stories, og, triplego free
love, getting right and supporting us at

1541
01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:21.439
all as always. So love it, love it chew No, I'm love

1542
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:25.760
it. I love it, guys. Look look for oldest wilet ju culfric.

1543
01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:28.880
I'm Jason Straighthorn. This is Sparta
MSU. Have a good night,

1544
01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:33.159
God bless you go greet. This
is part of my MSU as a combined

1545
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:40.239
presentation of playby Sports Properties and Michigan
State Sports properties. The show was produced

1546
01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:45.760
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1547
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:51.680
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1548
01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:57.640
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1550
01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:04.439
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