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Dots, Gee, Brahm, It's Bilified, the Bill Moran Podcast. Well,
hello and welcome. Yes, we're starting a few minutes late. I
apologized. There was all kinds of chaos happening all at once here, a
lot of stuff going on. Well, there's a lot of stuff going on.
I guess we kind of start with what is actually coming out locally in
the news and I'll save the other stuff. I don't know what you did,
but Kevin's not here tonight, and I think that's your fault. I'm
pretty fault you do. Oh yeah, I know you have evident. Yeah.
I don't want to read any more text on, come on, don't
stop now, don't stop now. There's a little drama there. But we'll
start with the news stuff. And we have Tyler Dunn coming on about his
uh he's very excited to come on the show. Okay, well I'm excited
to Actually, this guy was at Colin Cowherd show. That's Friday Bill.
This's a big deal. Okay, Well, I don't want him be disappointed.
Already said his expectations. Previ's going to be stepping down, all right,
So let me give you. So there was a young man who has
been missing from rit since November twentieth. He told his friends that he was
leaving and going somewhere. I'm just surmising this. I'm not I'm not reading
anything, and but none of the news station's really saying anything. So I
have friends that do this for a living. And we also have somebody in
the Monroe County Sheriff's Department who is is part of this. So I now
just to give you a little background. This young man went missing. He
I believe he's from Michigan. He went east, but he told his people
that he was meeting friends and traveled east. I don't know why that's indicative.
Its friends could have been east, but I guess not so. But
no one had seen him, No one had seen anything, heard anything from
him. I remember just lightly paying attention to it because I thought, oh,
could this kid. Have you assume when it's a missing person and that
goes more than forty eight hours, that we're talking about a recovery mission and
not a return recovery being and we find the body, this young man is
safe and sound. Oh heavens, yeah, yeah, yeah, well well
great, But now his mom and dad came to ri T had started.
I think there were fundraisers to get search parties and bring family man. And
she was in his dorm room, and I thought maybe it was somebody from
the DNC. I don't want to misquote anything, but I thought they had
interviewed her and she was just there trying to figure out where did this guy
go. Now we're talking there's a major holiday in between November twentieth and December
Thanksgiving, right, yes, he's put to be grateful for everything you have
and you're with your family. There you go. So I called our friend
Berkeley. Breen. Oh, I love Berkeley, and I hadn't talked to
Berkeley and own. Berkeley said, yeah, he goes, we're not hearing
anything on this. He said, I believe that all the information is coming
from a Facebook post his family put out there. He goesaid, then we
got a very brief statement from the Monroe County Sheriff's office. So I immediately
fire off a text to our friend, Deputy Hurley, and Deputy Hurley says
to me, can we talk tomorrow? I go yeah, I said,
I'm gonna certainly bring it up tonight. But sure, He goes, I
just don't know what I can say tonight, Okay, all right, Yeah,
So I don't know what happened. So Berkeley said, I'm going to
send you screenshots when I land. So when you walked in, I was
getting text from Curley and Berkeley. He goes, I'm going to send you
the screenshot from the family Facebook page that they had put up there, and
it was the fine Matthew Grant Facebook page, twenty one year old kid.
I believe a wrestler at rit Yeah, some med screw with Yeah, yeah,
I mean he yeah, he knows, he knows moves, he looks
like the best ufc A wrestlers. Yeah, because they know want to get
you to the ground. It's over. Matthew Grant has been found safe and
it's reunited with his family. Praise be to God. Matthew's vehicle was found
by an officer late last night. The officer called in the plate number and
realized it belonged to a missing person and acted immediately. We are forever grateful
for the privacy of Matthew and his family. We asked that you refrained from
flooding us with questions and speculation at this time. Well, how the fuck
can you not wait a second? Wait a second, time out, time
out, timeout. I understand, I understand, you're just getting over what
you thought could have been a tragedy. If I'm his mom and dad,
I want to choke this kid and hug this kid at the same time.
Yeah, I want to choke him and hug him at the same time.
Right, I'm not kidding because you the mom and dad thought this young man
was dead. They had to have everybody. Yeah, they came here,
but we're living in twenty twenty three. You can't fart without someone being able
to go with an infrared camera and figured out that the gas actually didn't come
from Dan, it came from Bill. Jeff Bezos. He knows, you
know what I'm saying all that stuff. So I don't know if they found
hits on a credit card, if they found him go through a toll well,
obviously his car was found. We were hearing that. I'll read on.
Yeah, because it's about time that technology was good for something besides pulling
money out of our fricking pockets. We are forever grateful for the privacy of
Matthew and his family. We asked that you refrained from flooding us with questions
and speculation. At this time, we will not be responding. You know,
what did you do? Take that Matthew Page that found to a frequently
asked questions about Matthew Page and say, so, what the f happened?
Well, that's in great and that's pretty much the only question you need answered,
because I'd be livid if my resources were used to find this dude who
decided I just need some time away. Well, who knows right, So
we asked. We also ask if you personally know and love Matthew and family,
you do not flog their phones with messages they feel your love. We
have that. We have turned the commenting feature back on this post. We
have turned the commenting feature back on this post. We believe that each of
you deserve the world and wish there was some way we could express our gratitude
to you all individually. In a time of crisis, the community and beyond
stepped up and treated our family like it was their own. You wrapped your
arms around us while we navigated uncharted territory, and you helped us bring him
home. You spent your own valuable time, efforts, and energy helping us,
and together we get to celebrate in this miracle. Thank you, Thank
you, Thank you. God is good all the time. Guy's got a
post a text two and said he'll be signing autographs at the rit in a
conference center on the sides of milk box of milk containers where he was missing.
So it's collector's item. I'd be out of my mind with this dude
right now. Then I wonder if like he had a gambling problem and the
mob was holding him or something like that, because if he can't talk about
it and they can't talk about it, it's a pretty big thing not to
talk about. Well, it's a big thing not to talk about because you're
curious. I mean it's almost like you know, Finn and Tom Sawyer.
Yeah, walking, I mean, which, by the way, I've always
wanted to do, just to see who shows are. Of course, you
know, why are you never mind that? To me? That's paradoia.
Listen, you're paranoid? You are you talk about your funeral? Lot?
Who you want there? What you wanted to say? There's too much time,
you know. Yeah, you're right, I have way too much time.
No, no, no, too much No, no, no,
I don't think you have too much time. I think there's too much time
for me. Maybe not you, but for me, it's too much time
to spend thinking about my funeral. I'm hoping I'm still fucking old. Nobody
shows up. Hey, you're the old guy. You know that guy we
saw it passed out outside on the bench ouside Thursty's he's still there. The
Minoa County Sheriff's Office is please to inform This is from Brendon Hurley the release
to in from of the Matthew Grant has been located as safe and is reunited
with his family. Thank you to all of the deputies investigators who work so
tenaciously coordinating the multiple agencies, follow up leads, using technology, and working
with the family to locate Matthew. We appreciate our partnership with the media who
helps spread awareness and our efforts to reunite him with his family. And that's
all they're saying because they don't know anything, because the other people are going
we can't say anything or we're not saying anything at this moment. Now,
I'm i gotta think at this point you almost need to hire a PR firm.
Just don't do the ones that those people who did that is the racist
party. Yeah, yeah, I'd stay away from the KFC people, right.
So I'm saying, if Matthew shows up, you ever like your mom,
you gave me a hot attack practically, uh, you hug him,
then you punch him, then hug them then saying like you want to go
crazy because you left your family unless they knew like he was having and maybe
he went to her. But how is this possible that you had all this,
all these agencies and you were able to Literally it's the closest thing to
a disappearing act I have seen in a long time. He's got it,
not he's got I hate saying this. I don't want to like cast dispersions
on this guy. Just shut up and say it. You could have I
think he's got mental health issues. So that could be, and that very
well could be. It could be the stress of feeling that you need to
perform and being a student athlete and all this up. Sure, okay,
all right, but to just disappear like that and not reach out to your
family is concerning. I just hate saying it because it seems to be like
the catch all for everything. Oh it's not I understand what I hear.
What you mean? We always play everything, Well, I got mental health
issues. Well so does half the NBA when they don't want to play.
Okay, I mean, so it's just mental health issues every day. No,
dude, that's how I live. You didn't have mental health issues.
I have no friend at all. I have no friends. I am my
own multiple personality friends. Uh yeah, so I I don't know. I'm
thinking i'd be very upset if I'm his family. But I'm also I have
this thing, and I think I've said it. I don't know if I
said it when we were together on the radio, but I did say it
after that for sure. If like, I remember that this guy went down
into the subway tunnels down in Rochester, the old subway tunnels, and he
decided to uh, he decided to take pictures and he wanted so he went
out and part of the river there is pretty shallow, So he went out
and he got on some rocks and he's taking pictures and I don't know if
the water picked up or he hopped the one rock too far, but all
of a sudden, now, no, it just turned into I can't get
back. So now he's calling nine to one one and they got to get
the ropes team from the fire department out And I go, if you are
a fucking moron, and you go where it says do not go beyond this
point, you're at Letchworth, you're anywhere, and you go, And I
understand the temptation to go. I am that kind of guy, but if
they got to come save your ass, you got to pay that bill.
Yeah, it's sure, doesn't it. Yeah said that, we said that.
I remember. But if you break it, if it's a sign that
says don't go there, you broke the rule. Yeah, hey, you
broke the law. Kansas City had a beautiful play, but somebody broke the
role. Yeah, they broke the role. He was lined up as a
linebacker for the fucking bills. I guess. So that so with this kid,
what are you doing? And now there was an awful lot of money.
I'm sure drones went up looking for the guy. We're gonna find out
how much money this cost us? How much money? I want to know
the family, just the family was mom already in therapy, trying to deal
with the unexpected loss of a twenty one year old son. Oh gosh,
don't you think it could possibly be? Yeah, yeah, he's got to
pay that bill. Hey you know what I got you for Christmas? A
bunch of bills. Yeah, exactly. That's why I took out missing person's
insurance. So it's like the Geico or the the the affleck of going missing.
And again, uh for the family, I'm I'm I'm sure, the
big sign of relief. But I mean even as the family, they got
to go, what is going on? So ruin Matthew Perry died. It
was right round Halloween. Yeah, it's so usually takes six weeks to find
out like the cause of death. Typically we usually forget that. I was
said, oh, yeah, that's right, remember he died. I'll bet
you we'll find out the cause of Matthew Perry's death before we find out the
real reason this kid went missing. Well, we're coming up on almost six
weeks, right, right, that's my point. We're not gonna find out
much. No one's gonna say anything. Well, the thing is this on
the other side, Okay, as much as I'm saying it, because I
have a twenty one year old son, and I would just be I can
only imagine I just know some of the players in my family to you understand
and saying, oh, I could see the musical now, and I'm just
going I know how upset everyone would be. And I would want to like
privately put my arm around him and then put him in a choke hole and
then hug him and then choke him and hug him and choke him. Oh
yeah, and so famously said, I don't know if I should shake your
head. All I did was graduate. Hi, I never disappeared. I
was right there. Uh so I don't know. And with with Matthew there
there could be a number of you're right things going on. I I just
uh, I think here's what I was gonna say. Truthfully, it's none
of our business. It doesn't change my life any bit. What happened to
this young man. It's really it's not it's not But I would you involved
the public. Well, it's now our business. Okay, But I think
New York police, the police you got that deserve an argument. I don't
have one for because there's a piece of me that goes once I you know,
somewhat half jokingly rant and half serious and uh, just say the stuff
we just said on the podcast, I go, I don't care as long
as the kid's fine. Was it changed my day, but you know what,
it could have changed other things. You deployed resources to go find somebody
who wasn't really missing, or maybe they were, but you know, as
an adult not responding and not somehow snuck away. Who knows what what else?
We didn't have somebody available to go cover right because of that. Yeah,
so now our resources had to go elsewhere, and now the Kia boys
have gotten away with a few more cars. All right, we uh,
we shall take a moment and when we come back, Tyler Dunne Tyler done
from Golong. He's got a guys, a heck of a writer. He
covered the packers from Thelwaukee Journal Sentinel. He covered the bills for the Buffalo
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writer, and then Bleacher Report blew out a ton of people because they overextended
themselves. He's been writing, he's been writing independently for go Long TD co
Long TV is his thing, that's his site. Yes, so we will,
uh, we will talk to him. He did the whole Big Long
thing on McDermott. I've read I've read it one and a half time,
so let's say one to three quarter times, and uh, some of it
maybe sensationalized. I don't know. I think it was overall when I read
it, I had a different voice in my head this time. So we'll
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believe stayed on the charts for twelve months. Buffalo's one Goo Goo Dolls a
song. Yeah, the Buffalo Bill's having even won twelve games this year.
They could, they could, they could, they could have, right,
that's the thing. Rob Lucas was a long time morning show host in Buffalo.
Yeah, and our old company, Odyssey, sold his station, just
his station Star one or two point five, to a Christian group to flip
into a Christian outlet. So when he did his last show, this was
the last song he played. I really love this song. It's a great
song. I think it's from the City of Angels sound Nichols, which,
by the way, that movie ends in such a bummer. Yeah, I
don't remember me. I'm gonna call He's an angel, he comes down to
Earth. He falls in love with Meg Ryan, who wouldn't write and she's
so in love that she's just in La La Land on her late sicle.
She'ts hit by a car and dies, and now he became human for her,
and now he's got to figure out the world by himself. Yeah.
Wow, what an interesting concept, What an interesting Can you believe that?
That's really interesting? All right, I'm calling Tyler Dunn. Let's see what
we Uh I think it's Las Vegas. Hello, Tyler. I first,
I want to apologize for being ten minutes late. Oh my gosh, don't
worry about it. Well I do it. I'm doing well. And uh,
I appreciate you taking some time to talk to us. I'm sure you've
been a very busy guy after the release of that article last week. No
problems, it's been done. I would think it has been because, I
mean, look, you were getting attention from every corner of the planet.
And I said, the only way that article doesn't become even more impactful is
if they win. And they didn't. They lucked out. I mean they
lucked out. I mean they didn't. They lucked out. They lucked out.
I mean, you know in the end, and I think in the
article you talk about that edge and it was so apparent to me because I've
read the article. As I was saying, just be called before we called
you like one in three quarters time times. I didn't get all the way
through the second time. But the point is, there's just a point in
the article, and it might be the third part where you talk about Sean
McDermott kind of clenching up in the big moments and how that how that I'm
gonna call it energy because I'm a It's weird, but I'm a big energy
guy, and I believe that we pick up on other people's energy. And
it sounds like he clenches up and then everybody else does as well. And
in those big moments you were talking about the teams that are more relaxed,
the coaches that are a little looser, you know, the Philly special that
this that we just saw it happen with a loose team at the end of
a big game and they won, except they broke a rule. I could
not agree more. Yeah, that's what makes football great, right. It's
it's one on the fringes. It's on uh, by the inches and a
call here, a call there, and the football is shaped uh with the
two points in a funny way for a reason. But so yeah, I
think you got to give you got to get the bills and Sean McDermott,
theyre their credit and they did stop Kansas City one three times in a row
after that play, Yes, they did. You're You're one hundred percent right?
Uh? And I yeah, I just I felt as I was reading
it, I go, God, And I had read it before the game
and now I'm reading it again after the game, and I go, that
moment is what jumped off the paid so to speak to me when I when
I thought of that, and I thought, wow. But you know,
as you read the article, and I don't know if you're willing to kind
of share this. It is an article that is uh insightful. You talk
to a lot of guys. Some people remain anonymous. Some people get upset
when some people won't put their name to certain things. I mean, we
all understand why, yeah won't. No, I'm not saying it, but
I'm just wondering. Have you received I guess a percentage wise positive versus negative
response to this article. Definitely a blend. Right. It's the folks that
are upset with it are going to be very very loud and their hands.
I mean it's it's short for fanatic. I get it. I mean the
Bills are a religion here in Western New York. And so when this comes
out, I think that it kind of followed a similar trajectory, if you
will, to the Packers story I did at the Bleacher Report. When was
that twenty nineteen? So Mike McCarthy's fire and Aaron rodgers is office one of
his worst seasons he happened here, yea. And initially so I did a
lot of reporting on that as well, probably about five six months of talking
to as many players, as many coaches, scouts as I could same deal,
some on the record, some anonymously, and you know, we could
talk about anonymous source and for hours. I see the value in it,
and I think a lot of people see the value. Well. You feel
like you can really say something that's insightful. And I always believe in looking
for patterns in life, Tyler, Like you know, I look for patterns
like with my kids. Am I seeing a pattern of something that's adding up
to a problem here? And it seemed like you're that article was showing a
pattern of behavior from McDermott that really is could it be preventing the team from
getting over the hump, the proverbial hump, and people saying that anonymously.
I'm sorry to interrupt, it is you know only one. Sure, it
can be frustrating because we want to well, who the fuck's saying this,
But at the same time I get why you wouldn't and it does paint the
picture. Hey, this guy, he's putting his name to it. He
said it, and here's two anonymous sources saying the same thing. You know,
to get the truth, to really lift up the curtains and see how
this lead work. In a lot of cases, take takes that, and
so there's an element of trust, right, it's up to the reader to
decide. I'll stand by my record. I'll stand by my reputation. The
stories I've done in the past, always covered the NFL full time since twenty
eleven, and you build up a lot of relationships over the thirteen years.
So I think that if you really want to understand how somebody coaches behind the
scenes, like a lot of these assistants that have left, and remember they
weren't necessarily always fired. A lot of them left by decision for lateral moves.
So that tells you something there. It's not like they're bitter that they
were canned and they lost their livelihood in every situation, the same deal with
some players. So I think that, yeah, there's kind of two nfls
and there's the version that we see a press conference at a podium and it
could be good, don't get me wrong, everting stories off those kind of
settings, and they've talked to players in the locker room and build those kind
of relationships, But there's a whole other world beneath the surface. And to
bring that world to the fans, to the readers, who are, by
the way, making this a multi billion dollar industry, I think it's you've
got to reveal the good, the bad, and the ugly, and in
this case, there was quite a bit of bad, and we all know
what the ugly was. So what do you say to the people that say
you've been denied press credentials by the Bills. I believe they're the only team
in the NFL that did not grant them to you and you've had I think,
is that because of the past incident with McDermott, potentially could that be
the case that's been the rumored to me? But I don't know if that's
the case. I'm asking. No, I've never really had an interaction with
Sean McDermott in my life. Okay, I didn't know if there was like
some kind of article or something or something happened at a press. You know,
I could connect some dots, right, take a rocket scientist to you
know, see that I wrote a story breaking down thirteen seconds A bad,
bad situation was the headline a couple of years ago. And it was after
that, into the next season that I was told, you know, I
wouldn't be credential, not that I was before, would go along and if
I wanted quotes, to get them off the website and that was that.
And they said they just weren't credentially in new media. But you know,
I don't want to read into Okay, okay, all right, I was.
I was. I was sort of reading into it, and I went
just to try to go from both sides. Is this something? Is this
like Tyler having a problem and making McDermott look bad or telling that nine to
eleven story, which it's kind of cool that Saturday Night Live picked up on
your article, correct, I mean, in the way Tyler congratulation it's a
little bit of a bragging point. And then but I mean even that was
more of the sensational stuff. And what bothered me, I think more than
anything, was that the other media that picked up on your piece would highlight
those but when you read the whole article, which as an individual might you
know independent myself, Yeah, pay this guy to read his stuff, please
because but please don't just let somebody take an excerpt out because in the big
picture, because that sounds like sensational, and you know, the story wasn't
that big a deal. Every I think everybody in Buffalo who covered the bills
knew about that speech and knew he had apologized. But in this article,
it just kind of shows you the awkwardness of McDermott and his awkward way of
relating to players and sometimes finding finding the way to connect to guys. And
I even think you in there you say, no, he's not supporting,
he's not that guy. But some people pulled it out, and I know
that, you know, individual people on social media were writing about it,
and I think that sometimes people thought there was a little bit of an act
to grind, but I don't think that's the case. After reading it,
twice. Yeah, I think if people read the series and fatality, I
get it. It's it's I'm it's editorial. It's like I'm saying he's the
problem, and that's the result of talking to all of these people. It
is, you know, I guess it's kind of a blend of yeah,
that he is central to this team falling short year after year and everything that
you see on the TV, like, there's a reason for it. There's
a reason late in games that they're taking the knee with twenty seconds against Philly
and it's fall a part of ar awhead and thirteen seconds all that. So
I just kind of wanted to bring that to life and follow the report of
what everybody was telling me reaching out to him as far as the acts to
grind. Look, I don't care if they credentially or not. I just
want to be transparent with everybody and say, look, there there's a reason
that you're not going to see direct quote from a ton of current players in
this series because I'm not in the building, and there isn't Shawn's voice because
they closed the door. You know, the drawbridge had been closed a while
a back, so that just isn't going to stop me from doing a job.
And I told the Bills this a year ago when we were denied at
some point, I can't remember that even though they weren't going to give go
Along a credential, that that's fine. That's the prerogative their business. They
can do whatever the hell they want to do. I live here. A
lot of my subscribers when I launched Go Along, I mean, they're Bills
fans, So I'm not going to ignore the Bills just because they want me
to ignore the Bills. So that's why I did a show with Isaiah McKenzie
for two years. That's why I've done a ton of player profiles. So
everything that everybody's seen that wasn't no hell from the Bills. I just got
those guys on my own. Dion Dawkins, Damar Hamlin, got Taiwan Jones,
Nam Hines. There's been a been a whole bunch that I've kind of
gotten together with Quintin Morris, Grevin wings At, Barb, Bill Elmos,
whatever, and just goind to learn about their lives. So I think that
you know, there's there's access journalism, and there's a lot of folks that
maybe just kind of want to be a part of that and follow them Mop
and the Amba in the locker room. And you know, this is the
talking point at a podium, just eating up like slop. But I feel
like, you know, we owe it to the readers to find some original
stories, and clearly this season the number one stories is is Sean McDermott the
demand to lead this team when you have Josh Allen, when you fall in
short year to year to year, when you're six and six, and that
Philly game just encapsulated the entire era. That's kind of why. That's why
I dropped the story after that game. And I've heard that quite a bit
too, the timing, How could you do that? Do it now?
Well, I don't work for the Bills, right, you know, I
don't put stories out so everybody doses warm and fuzzy and said, hell,
I got a lot of criticism with the Packers' story, dropping it in the
op season because Mike McCarthy hadn't didn't have a job yet. Like, you
know, if we're all just going to take different feelings into account, I'll
take the reader's feelings into account first. About that, Like right now,
I felt like the reader's fans want to know more about Sean McDermott and what
the problems may be internally. So that's the compant self following, and that's
what I try to follow throughout the reporting of the story. That began,
honestly back in the spring is when I probably started talking to people talk to
me about being the independent, you know, because you get to do that
because you're independent. You know, sometimes you could get pressure from an editor
if you're somewhere else saying hey, listen, we kind of we wanted to
have access, we want to keep access, hold off on this, or
hey let's change this or leave that out, or you understand, And I'm
not. It almost sounds like there's no such thing as freedom of speech or
freedom of the press. But there is a human element of things, right,
There's a give take in life, so you want to do that.
But the cool thing about being independent is you're beholding the no one. Yeah,
it's it's a uh seeing in a curse man man, the right cliche,
but it's no in the privilege whatever it is, right, I've got
the freedom to do whatever I want whenever I want to do it. Yet
I'm going to lean into the personal discipline and lessons that I've learned over the
years. I've been so lucky to have just so many amazing mentors. Back
to you know, Chuck Pollock at the Only End Times Herold. You know,
I grew up in West New York working for him to today, you
know, when I got to the NFL Milwaukee Journal Sentinel working with Bob mcgainn,
Tom Seberstein, Laurie Nicolay. I've been around a lot of old school
reporters that that did the job a certain way, so, you know,
leaning into that and kind of I think that's important because you can't just shoot
from the hip. I think everything's got to be rooted in and steeped in
reporting. And that's why I talk to twenty five people to try to learn
as much as I possibly could. Honestly, I wanted to just keep going
and keep reporting and keep and just see what other rabbit holes I could fall
into. But it felt like, okay, let's put it out now to
me. Tell us, you know what I mean, Like these palace intrigue
kind of features, they're typically dropped when the coaches fired. Yeah, so
the coach is fired and then the beat writers or whoever's knows that team or
that coach. Best pull out the notebook, dust it off, and share
all the terrible stories with the world because there's no repercussions. Right, it's
all right now. But here's here it is. I think that there's a
value to doing it in real time, and you're gonna get backlash. You
know, I may not be credential by the Bills, but hell, I
live here. I would just at Target to day at Orchard Park, where
my go along sweater and my cover looking at me a funny way here,
you know. So there's that, But I feel like there's it's better for
the reader if you do it now, because that's what interest is highest.
That's when they can start making judgments for themselves. I'd encourage everybody just read
it in its totality and decide for yourself what you think instead of just seeing
a nine to eleven headline and yeah, put it in your head. Go
ahead. I want to ask you about that because to me, like Tyler,
like, if anybody read the article drops on Thursday. By Thursday afternoon,
the Bills are holding a press conference and then everybody's commenting about the nine
to eleven stuff. Now, were you surprised that It was that of all
the stuff that I took for that article, the nine to eleven stuff kind
of ranked maybe like eighth or ninth. That was just like more evidence that
he's kind of like a like a Michael Scott type. Okay, that's that's
how I take Sean mcderr and I've taken that since the season opener of twenty
twenty one, like, how'd you lose to the Steelers? How'd you lose
seven games that year? Like they've lot, They've had more inexplicable losses to
lesser teams and lesser quarterbacks, some of whom are no longer in the NFL
that we make fun of or are like taking position coach jobs because they can't
coach anymore. Nobody respects them. And yet this guy lost all these games,
the thirteen seconds game you could lay at his feet, and yet everybody
just draws to the to the nine to eleven stuff. Were you surprised that,
like one, they clearly didn't read the entire article when they jumped to
that. I know the Bill's bit a press conference about it. Did that
take you aback at all? That that was what they gleaned from? It?
Isn't that amazing. I mean, it's so refreshing to hear you say
that, because as as I'm working on this, I was probably right there
with you, like it's you know, and the way I viewed the speech,
it probably was like seventh or eights on the most damning details gleaned from
these players and coaches and everybody's been around him. Because I really try to
make it clear writing like this, obviously he isn't pro terrorism, right is
ridiculous, Yeah, but it does shine a damning spotlight on a lot of
his worst tendencies. Overthinking something to the point of including that analogy or that
model I should say into a training camp speech like that. That is overthinking
to the extreme, to the cluelessness of not realizing this is this is like
saying that Hitler is a good lead. Well, I mean one connecting Henry
Ford liked him. That was it. That was It's an interesting thing because
we have a very close friend who is a big sponsor of the Buffalo Bills,
sponsors training camp and everything in town, and we talked about this article
with him on the podcast, and he was saying that that piece he wished
was left out. It seems sensationalized and all that, and it was more
on the second read for me where I went, no, it's not it's
painting the whole picture. It's just telling you a story. It wasn't done
to stationalize. It was done to go and here's just one more example of
the awkwardness and the uncomfortableness. And even some of the players go, we
get what he was trying to do, but it didn't. It just it
missed the mark. He apologized. Uh, you know, but that's the
that's the thing that becomes highlighted. So for you, as an independent journalist,
how do other journalists react to you? Hmm? Do they? I
mean, now that that's out, Like I don't even know if some of
them went beyond the paywall, but I know they certainly took that story.
I saw that story at several places that bothered me, Tyler, It really
did, because there were a few, like I'm not going to name any
names, local prominent journalists with the usual experience on television who all of a
sudden just chomped on the nine to eleven stuff, and it was like,
come on, really did you read then? But do they do they kind
of give you the side eye or treat you as though you're you're less.
Then because of that, you think I don't know, I'm asking I don't
know. Yeah, you know, I think that's a really good point.
And I tried to give it, like twenty four hours or so after the
game, to write a column kind of reflecting back on the on the madness,
and really, how this how this kind of crystallized the whole mission of
what I'm trying to do with Go Along, and who I'm really writing for.
So you're not You're not You're not writing for the people who are never
going to subscribe and never going to read, and our only concerned with that
headline. And I cannot tell you I do not want to make myself an
empathetic figure at all. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying to your
point, people not even reading it. I mean, the nasty crap that
you get from folks it clearly they didn't read it. Clearly they just saw
nine to eleven headline, nine to eleven story. Right, I'm the author.
You're trying to new this team nuke this season Like that's awful. But
no, I think everybody who read it, Yeah, if you've got disagreement,
like let's let's chat about it. That's why I had a happy hour
at my sight Thursday night, and that's why I have another one this Friday
night, Like, let let's let's talk about it, because those who read
it, like we could have an intelligent conversation about maybe problems you had,
and I can take it through the thought process of everything. But yeah,
in terms of the local media, that will a surprise. I was it
wasn't necessarily surprised that the Bills had such a pr campaign on Friday. I
mean, you know, Steve Tasker saying that this was written for profit,
which I guess that means that Steve has donated his salary to charity to Congress
right for doing that. But that's not a surprise. But I was a
little surprised, given me the volume of news in this series that hasn't really
been reported or talked about or anything yet, that locally people covered the team's
day to day didn't pick any of it up. We'll sign that worth a
blog post, you know that. That that definitely surprised me. So that
kind of allows the nine to eleven thing to dominate locally. Nationally it probably
would have anyways, I'm not a dummy. I mean, that's awful right
now. You just don't do that as a leader of any organization. But
yeah, that locally, to see that reaction was a bit of a surprise.
Well, see that, to me is a bigger commentary on journalism today.
I have been like pretaping some stuff for the holidays, and I had
a journalist in here and he had told me he was doing a story on
women prisoners and albion just as an aside, to just give you an example
of this to why you're nine to eleven. Thing pops out and at the
time, Amy Fisher was who was the Long Island leader. She had shot
Mary Joe Bafuco in the face. It was I'm from downstate. It was
a big story in the late eighties, early nineties. And she winds up
in prison up here. Well, he's doing a story on a prison guard
raping a couple of the women and her mother finds out and contacts him,
and he didn't want to include Amy Fisher because he didn't want the story to
become sensationalized. And anything anybody's going to focus on is Amy Fisher, and
he goes My purpose was to really help women in prison who are being raped,
and let's I know you're in prison, but you don't deserve this kind
of shit, so he said. Eventually it did come out, and that
her mother says to him, we snuck panties out of prison that have semen
on them, and where I'm having them analyzed. She calls back. It
turns out to be this one guard and he did wind up going to prison
himself for raping several women, including Amy Fisher, except the New York Post
found out that she had been writing love letters to him, so that sort
of overshadows. And my point for you is that, like the nine to
eleven thing to me was in the article, it's an example of McDermott awkwardness.
Not a great leader. Might be a great coordinator, but not a
great leader of men. Seems to have this rigidness about him, tightens up
at the wrong time, even says the wrong thing even though he's trying not
to. Here's an example of that. But yet everybody ran with the nine
to eleven and I think that that becomes a bigger thing in today's journalism to
try to get hits, like hey, now I'm going to click on whatever
TV station or website or newspaper that's got an excerpt of Tyler's article because I
can look at it for free or I don't even know maybe who Tyler is
or what he does. And that to me is uh shitty, yeah,
to put it, to put it in a basemay, it's shitty because I
again, it took me a second read really to go that's not the focus
here, and yet it was and it shouldn't have been. And that's the
Twitter world. I blame acts. Oh yeah, it's the culture. I
call it the cancel culture. Vultures, that's what they circle. That's I
mean, it's hard to argue with any of that. I mean I see
that. That's kind of how it's kind of how today's media worked. And
it's sad, but I see it all the time. I mean, basically,
every long form story I do, if there's if there's some something in
there that's salacious, maybe a little strong in this case, is now,
that's that's just gonna get picked up. That's what's gonna get aggregated. That's
what's going to get shared. You know, you do a four or five,
six, seven, in this case, twenty one thousand word story on
somebody and it will be whittled down to one anecdote, share it everywhere,
So I guess it's kind of used to that, and I just kind of
I wasn't gonna fight it. Even early on at the Journal Sentinel covering the
packers. That happened all the time, and it tiss off players, you
know that, because they see what it was aggregated, and as the journalists,
you're like, man, that wasn't my intense. I've got this long
story and people who read it in full are going to understand it. So
I really just try to stay steadfast and writing for my audience. In this
case, it's people who subscribe to go along for the long form, and
I've been blown away by the emails, the comments. Everybody who's read it
just gets it within the community I've been building here, So I'm at peace
with it now. It's frustrating, don't get me wrong, But what are
you going to do right when you've got so many people who didn't read losing
their minds. I don't think it. I don't think it should stop me
in the reporting process. I didn't think, oh, you know what,
this is what this anecdote is going to get picked up for this reason because
nobody's going to actually read, so I'm not going to use it. No,
I think that's connected disservice to the audience that I have in the community.
As been building here, I'm going to articulate it exactly as it was
explained to me by these players, and how it does point out his flaws
for X, Y, and Z, and it does connect. It's not
just this crazy one off thing that he apologized for an hour later that she's
forgotten it is. It is bizarre, it is noteworthy, newsworthy, and
it does explain a lot about the coach and his inability to connect with the
players. So you had a story in there about the old lady that that
got confused and drove it. I remember the story was that your story,
right, she drove Naga the Niagara River and the car got stuck on rocks
right before it went over the falls. He used that as an analogy,
but knowing, but it didn't go anywhere. Teamwork what happened. I do
I believe that stories before the nine to eleven story in your artic Yes,
yeah, there's and there were some other speeches told. I mean they just
a lot of them are just clunky and awkward and they don't really make sense
or have a point, and it's you know, I think he has gotten
a little better over time, but he struggles to communicate. But worse than
that, I think it was the cluelessness. You know, there's an assistant
coach who said that even after this speech, that that Seawn couldn't really understand
why players are pissed. Yeah, like it didn't register in his mind,
like so, And it did take I mean, Shawn's not going to say
this at the press conference we wrote it. I mean it did take Kyle
Williams kind of being there and say, hey, like this, you've got
a talk to team. And he did his credit on the field an hour
later. But that just goes to show that robotic nature that Sean mcderman has.
He's robots. The wordy here a lot's a strong word, but you
hear fraud quite a bit. There's a lot of good there and we didn't
even talk about it here, but there is a lot of good. He
pulled him out of the gutter because he is so disciplined. They needed that
order. It was such a mess under Rex. It was even worse than
I thought, So they needed Sean McDermott. But I think that his flaws
they have held him back and they'll continue to hold him back. Number one
flaw being that inability to really connect with the most important player on the team,
that'd being Josh Allen Tyler. You know that's why I'm glad you wrote
this because as a diehard Bills fan, I haven't missed the Bills gives sow
seven. I'm forty three years old now, I lived through the Super Bowls,
right, and you know they produced the Four Falls of Buffalo, and
it's really a puff piece. We still have not gotten to the answer of
why they lost those four Super Bowls. We haven't gotten to the truth of
the seventeen year drought. And yet you just gave us the truth about why
this team with Josh Allen can't win. It was the head to the head
coach, right, And everybody's pissed off that they have the answer. They
don't like the true and it bothers because like if you remember, like the
the eighty five Bears thirty for thirty, they all crapped on Ditka and they
won, but you got answers as to why that team couldn't go any further
and yet you know, you gave us the answers and why this team isn't
doing anything and people are ticked off too freaking bad. I want the truth
now. I don't want Chris Brown from Buffalo, from the Buffalo Bill's you
know, mouthpiece, to tell me five years later that Jerry Gray had quit
seven different times in his final year with the Buffalo Bills. Well, that
was the information I could have use then when I'm buying my ticket for this
team. I want to know this stuff now because people are investing their money
now. And I'm glad you brought that to light. That's all I'm saying.
I'm sorry, I love it. No, it's trust me. It's
good to hear because that was the intent, right. It's for the people.
It's for everybody just wondering what the hell is going on with this team,
with this coach, with this quarterback. You can you can feel the
frustration through these losses when you lose to Denver the way you lock. God,
I were there, we were there together. Yeah. Oh, I
mean I think I believe that there was a a starvation for information what is
going on here? Because you deserve it, the fans deserve it. The
bills don't exist with a people fill in that stadium so well, it's like
when they had all that in time. It's like when they had all that
information on Whitey Bulger and they could never make a case against him, and
you found oh he's an FBI informant. Oh well that makes sense. But
nobody can figure that out. Nobody knew. You know, now we know
why this team because it can't freaking win. What I what? I kind
of like Tyler, and I wonder if this will happen. You seem to
be a guy who's fairly open minded. You're having the happy hour where people
can come in and I assume have dialogue with you and you'll answer questions and
maybe there'll be disagreements, but a dialogue. That's somebody who's open to criticism
and changing. Is there a chance that this article, which I believe may
have led to the dismissal, had they lost against Kansas City? I really
do. I think that I think your article would have got even more attention,
right, But could this maybe potentially change McDermott. Is there a chance
in your mind that he reads this or someone gets to him and goes,
hey, everything about you here is kind of true, man. And we
never see ourselves as we are, you know what I mean. We have
a perception of what we do and what we think we are, but it's
how other people are perceiving us, and a lot of times there's some truth
to it. It's just hard to hear. I really enjoyed this conversation.
I mean, that's such a great question. I don't know. Maybe right,
I mean, one weekend there seemed to be an overcorrection. Right played
that game he's throwing where he would run before. As an aside, this
wasn't in the story. A one player told me that he will so is
a player he played for the Bills, well known guy obviously can't say his
name here, that he was watching a playoff game when the Bills played Miami,
and I can't remember the exact sequence. It was after a big turnover.
Maybe it was the Zach Steeler touchdown, something like that, and he
told people around him, like I watched this, they're gonna run. Here
comes to run Sean. Sean's gonna do it. And that's exactly what he
did. And everybody who's watched this team has really gotten to know those tendencies
and those tendencies weren't there against Kansas City right to the end when he's blitzing
and pressuring. And again, if Kadarius Tony is an outside, it's another
disaster with another nickname. And you're right, the pressure ramps up. But
they won and he was aggressive, he was different. I would I would
hope for the Bill's sake he changes. I don't know, I really,
I don't know. I mean, it's such a the variance is unbelievable.
They could miss the playoffs entirely, they could get to the super Bowl.
This a FC is widal it is, and I just it would be very
interesting to me to say, well, it is very interesting to see what
happens the rest of the way and what impact this article has, because I
think it has an impact either direction here lose. I think it starts to
show what's really happening right when maybe it was the catalysts to make some changes
that were needed. I don't know, it's just just a thought, and
I think it's kind of cool that you're the guy maybe behind that. Well,
man, I'm not going to take myself too serious. I'll send you
a ring. I'll buy you a ring. If they weren't severowl because of
this tyler. I I may have to take out a mortgage to buy it,
but I'll do it. That's interesting. Hey, how do people sign
up? Like if they want to join dot com? Absolutely? And this
has been great, thanks so much guys. Yeah, but yeah, it's
part of a substack. So substacks are platform. But if you just go
right to go along TD just like my initials are touchdown dot Com, you
can. You can sign up for eight bucks a month, fifty bucks a
year to get to get everything. There is a free list, you know,
some stuff I'll put out there for free to get people a tape to
get everything, including this series with the paid subscribers, and definitely have been
blown away by people's curiosity. It's been warming the heart that people still are
willing to drop everything they're doing to read. And that was a big gamble.
Like when I launched this thing in November twenty twenty, and the big
story that I kind of started with was all about Josh Allen and the Bills
owner Terry Bagoula loving Patrick mahomes right or anybody even knew he'd be any good
And that was pretty will learning that. But anyways, yeah, so it's
yeah, there's definitely been a desire to learn to read. And that's what
I didn't even know if it existed really, because you got to hey,
you got to pull out the credit card, put the information in some it's
so hard. We do it all the time on Amazon. Well, I
found out my subscription last because I had to switch credit cards because I so
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm remember and then sign up. What
else are they getting, Tyler, because I don't have a pay all with
our stuff, but people have talked to me about but probably putting some content
behind the pay well, but what else are you giving him? It sounds
like the happy hours and like what is that? So we've definitely the bedrock
of everything. It's the long form and the stories that take days, weeks
in this case months to kind of develop. But I want to keep a
regular cadence too, so you know, I'll usually have a column on Monday,
you know, with the main point of one of the games, and
then kind of rip around the league. Bob McGinn, like I mentioned him
earlier, he's in the Hall of Fame. Unbelievable person, unbelievable reporter just
covered the NFL and the Packers since nineteen seventy nine, so we're kind of
reunited. We do a podcast each week that's for the subscribers as well,
and he writes columns from time to time, and he's got his draft series
next this coming spring is the fortieth annual Bob McGinn Draft Series where he's talking
to scouts and coaches all around the NFL, so you'll get that. Jim
Monas talked to him for that first story I mentioned, and then we kind
of as we're talking about it and getting to know each other, like,
man, you know, why don't we just do a podcast? And so
that kind of evolved into more of a friendship of being completely honest of doing
a podcast. So we do. We do a show as well, including
one this week where he had a lot of great things to say about Sean
McDermott. That interview process was fascinating. He's a personnel guy exactly. He
was a scout for the Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints and then the director
of personnel for the Bills since thirteen to seventeen. And then you know,
Q and A's colins whatever comes to mind, and Brests are we've got a
podcast as well. That's not not every week, but we've done I know,
six or seven shows. Well, we will do a couple more too.
Wow. That's great, well, very interesting. I would say go
find out more and please with everything that we're seeing online, try to find
the whole article and not the excerpt. But sometimes it's taken out of context
and people run. I appreciate that, you know what, and hey,
if you can't, you can't hold people's eyelids open and forcing the reasons right
right, right, It's got to happen organically. But I do believe that
people are listening and they've just seen the headline and they think that they know
what this is about. I really don't think they do. I think you
read it in its entirety, draw ro conclusions. If you're still pissed off
and you want to talk, come on in a happy hour, let me
know, we'll hash it out. Yeah. I like that, Tyler.
It's been a pleasure. Thank you, Tyler, appreciate it. Hey,
thank you guys. Thanks for putt up with my kids too. Have been
kind of doing a little one on two zone defense. I have money here.
He's got a little present from me. In his diapers. So all
right, well, I appreciate you giving us the time. Thanks man,
Thanks Tyler, Thanks guys. See it, there you go, it's Tyler
done. I'm running low on disk space and being told my computer my battery's
gonna die on the camera thing. I'm like, I'm all waking out over
that. That was a great set. Yeah, it's a great conversation.
But it's like it's like we're in an era now where we're starving for real
journalism. And that's not at the fault of the people who are doing their
jobs. They're doing the job's the best they can. They're spread pretty thin,
spread thin. I worked in corporate radio. You did too. My
last job, dude, I literally would start at get up at three four
in the morning and be working NonStop till eleven o'clock at night. You got
to allow the press who was willing to do this, to do their job.
That's what this Chriss is doing too. So yeah, he gave you
the answer. This is I am telling you when I have said, you're
going to see things go back to smaller because it's better. It's gonna happen,
it will, you know. And and these independent guys are proving that
that's where the real value of things are because they can. They're beholding the
no one you don't get that story. And it's not just the nine to
eleventh thing. The nine to eleven thing is is you got to read it
in the context. Really, I urge people to do that, but I
ard you with everything you look at. When you see something in the New
York Post picks up just a piece, or you see something on X or
you see it on Facebook, try to find the original thing and make sure
if you if you have time. We don't most people, but or at
least in your mind going not so sure about just this. I'm hoping there's
more to it. Maybe not, but I'm believing there usually is. The
usually is absolutely all right. Well, we will take a moment and when
we come back, Oh, should we get into why Kevin may not be
here? Would you like to do that? Would you like to do that?
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go, moranimomranimal. Okay, Uncle Uncle Rodge would do that. So Charlie
Fitzsimmons, who was producing Weeds' show and then went onto production, and then
it's gone on to what I would say is an empire of restaurants, because
I don't think even most people know exactly what's happening with Charlie. Uh there
you're eating somewhere under Charlie's room, Charlie, Charlie sang uh moranimal. And
then anytime I did, like an edgy joke or something, I would hit
this stinger moranimal and people fucking loved it. And it got me from part
time to they put me in afternoons. Yeah, I was fresh out of
college and I'm doing afternoons on CMO. You weren't just talking up records.
You got to do your own like show. Yeah, I was doing a
show like most people will be talking up records. So yeah, I got
to do bits and everything. So, uh, I'm getting ready for the
holidays and things. And uh, we're doing a lot of pods in here
during the week, and I hope you'll check these out. Uh, there'll
be one. I've done a couple of one on ones. I really enjoy
those. I love what we do, but I love the one on ones
as well. And I love them because I am very curious and I love
talking to people and hearing their story, and I love what was their road
to success and what's the commonality for everybody who's successful. So Gary Craig came
in here, and it is one of my all time favorites. I've really
enjoyed that conversation and I hope you do as well. It's about an hour
and twenty minutes NonStop. I will play excerpts from it next week. And
then today, Charlie Fitzimmons came in. I haven't seen Charlie in a number
of years. We worked together at a radio station here in Rochester. And
then Charlie left and he talked all about his leaving from radio and how he
tried to do it, and it's a really funny story. And then how
he opened this restaurant that really buoyed the East End of r I mean,
you know, as much as you look at change right wherever you live,
you go. I remember when this was blank, it could have been booming,
and now it's not. Or it was nothing and it became something.
Right where we sit in Fairport, New York, we have a distillery called
Iron Smoke Distillery, great sponsor, the pro of the podcast, but also
the first business in the cannery. And now the cannery has exploded because Tommy
Burnett and his vision showed and it floated everybody in that area. You see
what I'm saying, Well, Charlie, the same thing with the East End
when they built Tonic. But when Charlie came in today, I'll let you
just hear it. And then the conversation happens after that, and I think
it's gonna potentially bother some people. I considered editing this out and then I
thought, now I'm gonna leave it in there because it is what I believe.
And well, here it is Bridge ship Man. This guy Charlie Fitzsimmons,
I met Charlie Annim. Okay, so that was you. You know
what's so weird is so I forget who I was telling the story to.
It was Uncle Roger, who it was the twentieth anniversary yesterday of his murder,
which I have an unpopular opinion on sometimes. Oh, how so you're
for it? No, but I'll say I'll say this because we're twenty years
past. I think at this point, I'm okay. So years ago,
I would like I would drive Rogs to meetings when Stanley was the program director
and we were all there, and we would meet at Stan's house on Harvard
Street. Roger asked me to pick him up and we'd go over and do
this. And there was a time in the studio that he had left his
sweatshirt like on the chair and he was out doing production and I moved it
and his gun fell out. Oh and it was just in like a zip
up sweatshirt, not in a holst or anything, just in the side pocket
of this thing just fell out. I fuck it, almost shit, I'm
picking the thing up like, I was like, oh my god. So
I said to him, Hey, I'm really sorry your gun fell out.
I didn't know what too, So I I'm basing it on this. They've
never been able to find anybody. Nobody really knows what happened. He did
own property and he was collecting rent. But is it possible that the gun
went off and hit him in the abdomen? Do you understand what I'm saying,
not on purpose but a pure accident. Could something have happened? Could
he have been startled where he had the gun, he reached for it to
do something. And I only say that because and it sounds terrible and you're
blaming the victim kind of thing that people always say with this. But there
wasn't any secure way. It was just only from my own experience. It's
just you. We had to sit in the back, you see what I'm
saying, And it was in the side pocket. And if that's where you
kept it, right and he was shot in the abdomen, is it possible
that you reached inside to get it and accidentally it went off. And no
one really could tell I to shoot that guy. He was the nicest,
sweetest guy, nicest sweetest guy. He bound me out some you know,
he bail really well, just with the morning show because I had to get
up and he'd turned over the mic to the Wei show. And I was
the producer at that time. I was twenty three, twenty four, So
getting up at that hour was you know, that was half the challenge.
So I'd come in on two wheels sometimes in late you know, six oh
five, six' ten or something. Yeah, and he'd be giggling and
he's just so sweet. I got you, I got you, go do
your thing. And then I come in. He'd here, he put on
Freebird, you know, a real long song, and then I come in
and wear are my notes? That's so all right? There you go.
So what I'm saying is the unpopular opinion is that yesterday or this week,
and this podcast will run over Christmas week. Uncle Roger wi wash I killed.
I remember it because I was going to interview at a station in North
Carolina and I was debating whether or not I leave. I got the call
that night. I'm supposed to get on the plane next day. I was
telling my wife and like, what do we do? Because she was coming
with me. I don't know, Uncle Age you know. And I I
say I was close with Rogers, but I was close with Roger. He
was more than a coworker. And you know, I had been over to
his house. We had talked about his kid, I had met his family.
I knew his wife. You know. It was more than just somebody
I worked with, shared a mic with, you know once in a while.
So but then all the services and things were later on. And of
course we have the great story of Steve Houseman and his bad breath and how
I said his breath so bad, I'll garage sat up and closed the lid
because it was an open casket at the at the wake. But Uncle Roge,
they never found anybody, and there was a rumor that his son was
with him. I don't know. And I'm and I'm not trying to blame
the victim. I'm just saying that. And it wasn't a side pocket.
It was take like a flint, not even a flim just a flimsy you
know, zip up hoodie. Nothing on the inside. They had those big
long like they would sew extra fabric in there and make a pocket out of
it. Yeah, so you're it was a deep pocket. That's where the
gun was when I picked up the sweatshirt and it fell out, so I
like, and when I saw the gun, man, I shit, my,
I go fuck that thing goes off? Yeah, you know what I
mean, well could it could? It would have probably been my foot.
Who knows if it ricochet somewhere. Yeah, and the fucking noise, like
I mean, a gun goes off and you're not expecting it. Your ears
a ringing for a week. So I'm taking that. And I thought this
when I heard the story, and it was like probably a month later,
I'm like, man, I wonder if something happened where he got startled,
if the gun was in there and it's not in a holster, and I
maybe it was just I'm I'm just opinion right a pining here, right,
yeah, because he may have had a holster, and maybe he didn't have
it that night, maybe he didn't wear it, and he goes, I'm
just gonna throw this in here. Yeah, And he did work midnight to
six, and you know, walking in a strange hours, and there were
some weird those are show but radio stations and stuff, and you know,
so I don't know, but I always wondered could it have been because I
believe it was like he hit a major artery in his abdomen area and and
the bullets severed that And could it have been at just such a close range
the damage was irreparable, and could it have been an accidental thing and we
just never knew that. I mean that that's a that's a reasonable theory.
Yeah, I mean, and it's like we talk about things figured. I
mean, we talked about things that hush tones for so long, but let's
we just put it out there. So I think sometimes it takes a little
time and you need a little like you know, morning time or whatever,
but maybe just put it out the in the open and discuss it that that
could be a possibility. Now My thought immediately to that is, okay,
like if when they bring him to the hospital and when when he's finally declared
dead, right they I think they tried to get in there and yeah,
they try to say it, you know, they pulled the bullet out if
they knew he was he found with a gun on the scene, Like was
his gun with him? Uh, because you can look at the bullets inside
the gun, you can match the bullet in his app I think I think
I don't remember I don't remember, because I remember that night because I was
at Matthew's Easton Grill. If you remember that, that's how long ago it
was. And Mike de Giorgio came up to me, who I worked with
at Wham. He goes, bro, you won't believe what happened to night,
and I go what. He goes, Uncle Roger was murdered. I
said, what, Yeah, I remember getting a call from everybody like and
I remember Uncle Roage because I would listen to CMF on my way into Wham
and I'm like, where's he broadcasting from Marks Texas Hockey because he had the
background noise all night rock and roll cafe, which I stole when I did
overnights in Poughkeepsie for the first time. He used to have the all Eye
rock and roll cafe and I handed out the Lampshade of Shame. Oh.
But it was all based on on roj who I had never met at that
point, and he did so much for like local music too. He was
a big guy for local music. He had the Homegrown series and and all
that stuff. But anyway, just it was just interesting reconnecting with somebody.
And then I just told that story and that leads to a funny story of
Charlie that involved a gun and maybe we'll play a little bit of that next
week and then he can hear the whole thing over over Christmas week. But
it's what Charlie Fitzsimmons has done. And I always say this to people.
It's like he's a he's a pretty humble guy and just kind of one of
these guys that works hard. But Charlie is such a demeanor about him that's
just calm, cool, collected. Like I remember when he was younger,
chicks would go fucking crazy for this guy. Well then he looked like Eddie
Vedder. You said, you better looking Eddie Vedder. Wow, and he
yeah, and uh attractive And he was just a really just a nice He
just was a nice kid. And he was also you know, his dad
was a lawyer and uh, but he he loved having fun. That was
his whole aim in life is to just have fun and be creative. And
that's what he's done and I think that's really led to his success. But
I will give you a little preview. Uh, you know the restaurants he
owns here, he owns Black and Blue and and Jojo, uh and then
there's JoJo's in Webster, and then he opened up the Village Bakery, and
the Village Bakery is in Pittsford Eastview Mall, Culver Road, Armory and in
Webster in the building that he owns. Uh, he owns something in the
in the village of Fairport. Okay, yeah, it's under development. And
he also owns Black and Blue in Buffalo Albany, Massachusetts. And he's opening
one now right now in Boston one here besides the black of the original Black
and Blue here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good for him, God
bless them. And it's all from somebody who uh, the intention wasn't to
own a bar restaurant. And if you listen to the podcast, you know
it's it's because I really highlight go wait a second. Yeah, he's like,
yeah, this is what we were gonna do. This was our intention.
And then we get in the space and look around and things changed.
So that's fantastic. It's just it to have an epiphany like that, well,
the idea of bulbs go off, you're you know, what's just I
think it's one of these things where you are following your inspiration and that's what
you need to do when you're inspired to do something, get off your ass
and do it. How many times did people go, God, I had
this great idea. Man, I had that idea for Flexeal years ago.
Remember we built the boat. I'm just giving an example. Yeah, but
you know what I'm saying, I was brilly bayed before. So if you
have the inspiration, get off your dead ass and follow it, and maybe
this happens for you. I don't know, but I love these kinds of
conversations, uh, because uh, I hopefully you feel good after it.
Maybe you feel inspired after it, or maybe you learn something, or maybe
you get a little motivation. Because I even said to Michael Charlie, I
I find what you've done inspiring. You know. I called it an empire,
and I don't think it as an empire. And he said to me
later on, he goes, I'm driving out of Boston the other day going
what the fuck? How did all this happen? I don't even and get
it. You know, He's like, there's always one day a week I
feel like I'm paranoid to do anything and make a move to do anything.
So I mean, just gives you a real human element. How he sees
success. I used to work with one of his sister in laws, so
actually both two of them, now I think about it. So then during
all that, Kevin, I guess, is pretty upset with us. I
think he's upset with me. Yeah, I hope. So I don't think
he's upset with you. No, I think he's upset with me. Well
what so, okay, let let's let's kind of put this out last night.
Well no, no, it's just a recap for people. I know
it helps me, helps me. They give you, like the previous episodes,
so you know what to talk about on Monday. On Sunday, after
the Bills game, we were at Greg Connor's house and Kevin uh has and
and I think this is great. Kevin has ingratiated himself. And I mean
that in a positive way. Yes, too many people who have kind of
been in my orbit and around the podcast, Greg Connor being one of them.
He's been a friend for a while, and Greg has kind of welcomed
to everybody, and he's very very hospitable. He likes my wife more than
he likes me. He's great, he's very generous for things. So we
did the podcast over there, and he has helped Kevin with some I think
personal things that have been going on with his mom and stuff and just giving
advice. And so Kevin brought a Christmas gift and Kevin presented it to Greg
on the air, and then it seemed like he thought you were offended.
So I made a comment, but I'm used to the world of radio where
you kind of like fill the gaps and stuff like like like Tommy and you
and I would always do with each other, like you just throw in some
commentary as a realized like sometimes I just I hear it. But yeah,
and I said, oh, this is what we're giving the gifts. Oh,
I'm sorry. Yeah, And I don't even remember saying it, but
Kevin texted me the next day said, hey, I didn't mean to make
you feel bad, right, So then you read that text on the air
last night on the podcast, because you know, because we made a comic
book. I always break Kevin's balls when he's here or not right, you
know, and thinking that I know he's going to listen to the podcast and
then you're back at some point. We got this whole thing where Kevin's gift
of four buffalo bill shot glass in the flask are from Aisle four of the
Dollar Store, right, and then he said, he just said, in
a little while ago, he goes, where's Kevin tonight? Out shopping for
Greg's gift and the Delta Sonic collect all eight Buffalo Bill's glasses, you know,
just being a wise ass. Yeah. So, uh so I thought
it was just an off the cup from Mark and sorry. I got a
very quick call from Kevin today because we were supposed to have somebody on the
podcast with us tonight and they could not They could not make it. They
were not feeling well. So he called me and goes, hey, I
just got a call from it was supposed to be a private chef who cooks
with THC who said he can't make it tonight. And I said okay,
and he goes all right, and that was it. Hung up, Nor
are There's a little more conversation that I didn't know more so, but you
know what I didn't. I just thought it's probably busy and I'm busy,
and I don't you know, So I got it. So I got a
text from Kevin and he wasn't too happy with me from saying that, and
because I read the text that he sent me on there, because I said
it was no big deal. Then he explained why he gave Greg the gift,
and I'm like, bro, it's it's really, it's okay. But
we were kind of just talking about how Kevin is always kind of like just
you know, wants to make sure everything's okay because he could be a little
nervous sometimes, so he wants to just explain things. And I'm like,
that's all I was trying to describe that, you know, Kevin like sometimes
overexplains things to make a point. I'm like, no, it's no big
deal. Really, you weren't hurting my feelings. You didn't embarrass me or
anything like that. I planned to give it Greg something and you and everybody
and Kevin too, and everybody was part of the podcast, and I just
I just made that comment, and so he got upset that I read the
text on the air, and I sent him an apology note and I haven't
heard back from him. And the thing is, you sent him an apology,
an apology text saying like, hey, I'm I'm sorry. It wasn't
meant for that. We break each other's balls all the time, and it
was just like I was just having fun with it. But I know you
listen to the podcast. It's not like I was talking behind your back.
I was saying it into a microphone, knowing full well you would listen.
I figured, like today when you know, when he finally listened, you
know you'd probably respond back. Oh he did, but it was it wasn't
flattering, and he was I guess he didn't like what I had to say.
What did he say? I'll read? Should I read this text?
Yes? Because because you know he wait, hang on, hang on hand
before you do that, Okay, before you get that. Uh, I
need to find the right accompaniment while sticking End of the Road by Boys to
Men, Where with the dude, where the dude goes? Baby, I'm
sorry. I didn't mean to cause you no pain, all right, because
I was gonna find some soap opera music. Okay, but I think the
End of the Road from boys men hang on, don't don't, don't,
don't jump on it. Hang on. We gotta get we gotta make this
right, dandy okay mood. Yeah, and maybe you can come up with
a heartfelt Christmas inspired apology for what you've done, you silly bastard. Hey,
Kevin, sorry about that. I thought I was breaking balls and I
know you listen, so I didn't think anything of it. This is what
you wrote. I wrote him, Okay, keep going and the way you're
doing it, and thought you'd take it as ball busting, like lighthearted character
stuff we used to do in radio. I had my balls broken all the
time by Tommy and Mulet. He was great at it. I didn't.
Oh, I didn't, and he'd tell me quit pounding brow and that kind
of toughened me up a little bit. I didn't realize that would bother you
or else. I wouldn't have said anything. Now I know better, so
I apologize. It wasn't intended for. It will come back to me.
Kevin bade you come back to me last probably through What did he write too?
He didn't respond to that. What did he write originally? Did you
read that? Yeah? I can respect it. You did not read that?
No, No, I'm just reading what I wrote. Yes, but
I want to hear what he wrote you, dude, I listened to the
show last night. Thanks for reading my text, Tony. I think he
meant to write to you. He was writing fast. That's when you're angry,
you fat finger it on the show, or you're just Kevin, Yeah,
thanks for reading my text Tony on the show and making me sound like
a little bitch. FYI, I'm not coming into night now. Wow.
I feel bad now that I read that. Wow. I didn't even get
that. So that's why I didn't want to read it, because now,
like now, really could have kept it Tomorrow. Kevin, come back to
me. I'm sorry, baby, I didn't mean yeah. Can please forget
me a baby? Can you handle it? I'm so sorry, Kevin.
I know Belichick's leaving New England. I'm sure that that's probably on his mind,
but I mean we were just having fun with him, which we always
I know he listens to the podcast every day, so I figured he you
know, responded kind with like a ball break in comment of his own,
but he was pretty up set. So I apologize Kevin. At first,
I was like, is he joking or is he serious? But it wasn't
meant for that. And to be honest with you, it's like it's like
the Sean mcdervitt stuf. It really is not that big a deal. Let's
see, we're trying to call Kevin, hey man, hey man, we're
on the podcast. How you doing. I can barely hear you, guys,
I'm at the rate. All right, Well we're on the podcast and
uh, Danny has just read your text on the air. Is that the
World Cup? Did Tyler score? Yeah? What a cool moment, What
a cool moment. Uh No, Danny was just we're calling because you said
you weren't coming in tonight because of uh, because you were upset with Danny
reading the text on the air. So we were trying to smooth things over.
Up we lost him. He hung up on us. Baby, I'm
sorry right here, yeah, right now. Just so much pain, so
much pain, and he won't come back to us. Just come back here,
you go, you guys, I can't hear you. He's what he
said, he I feel pain to Kevin please. Well, well we'll find
out to tomorrow. Yeah, apparently Cliffhanger. That was not playing, folks.
I mean, I feel terrible, but at the same time, like
he breaks my balls all the time, he breaks yours. I don't have
a problem with it. I don't care. Like I've learned to loosen up
over the years and not take myself so serious. I'm not. He does
tell you're better better, what part do we need to prove it? That's
even season little bit. You get wound up. I do get wound up
during that Tyler done, I was, I got wound up defending Tyler.
Well, yeah, I was very impassionate. I was trying to my fear
with the Tyler thing was I didn't want to be too soft. I guess
we were just right, but I felt like, you know, I didn't
have the same view as other people, and so I reread the article and
I had even less of the same view of other people. But uh so
that's why I because I don't want people to think anybody have on you just
kind of kissed their ass. Well, no, we clearly don't. Maybe
we got a guy who's not who's bad at me right now. So I
mean, I just I didn't mean that to hair off because that's a big
ask to kiss buddy. But don't we do that all the time, don't
we like breaking? I mean, he breaks my life. Just so I'm
sorry, Kevin, I'm sorry, and I you know, I just won't,
all right, I won't mention. Maybe what we do is we give
Kevin a Woodcliffe. Maybe you should call up. We have one hundred dollars
Woodcliffe Hotel and spa gift cards and you can use these at this unbelievable jam
of a place right here, right here, right here in the greater Rochester
area over look as. If you're Syracuse, come on up. If you're
in the Buffalo area, we're getting a lot more listeners in Buffalo. Come
down. You will love it there. Yeah, and you can book your
own thing. Go to Woodcliffe Hotel spa dot com and and you'll find all
kinds of they have, like I think it's slash winter Fest and you'll find
all kinds of things on there. I should actually find that before I tell
you, I had, I had the script right in front of you.
But here's the point. We have one hundred dollars gift cards to give away.
You can get a really, really a couple of wonderful treatments at their
high end spa, their upscale spa there, or you could go and have
it toward dinner, or you could use it toward an overnight stay, whatever
you want. I please call five eight five to zero six eighty eight sixty
six and uh people will somebody's gonna win it. We're gonna give one away,
uh tomorrow. Oh cool, Okay, Yeah, we're gonna give one
away tomorrow and actually another one next week for Christmas. Yeah. See,
here's the thing. The guy I would choose has actually left a voicemail.
I don't think I recorded it because it's somebody I know, but I want
to get the story as to what happened. But this friend of mine who
was fairly close with me, and you know, life goes on. You
have kids and stuff, you say stupid things. I'm text and people don't
stop talking to you. He said that he almost died six weeks ago.
I think he may have had a heart attack. And he is not a
guy that you look at and go heart attack. Oh it sounds like me.
Yeah, Now I look at you, I say heart attack. I
do. Oh yeah, all right, he said, uh, nine to
one one was called and it saved his life. So I will maybe we'll
call him. Okay, tomorrow is part of our thing. And then tomorrow
also we will be joined by Stephanie and Mike. Oh wow, yeah,
Stephanie ied and her her boyfriend Mike. Uh yes, so yeah, Peter
too. You can go to wood Cliff Hotel, spat dot com slash winter
and I mean all your winter dreams become the merriest of guests. Yes,
absolutely, But I'm just telling you this is a great place and what a
fun place to even just go grab a drink. Stop in there during the
holidays, check it out, check it out a little bit. The wine
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just I'm telling you it's a gem. If you haven't been there in a
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really you can attribute that to the vision that Tommy Burnett had. It all
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one of the ten best bourbons outside of Kentucky. It's phenomenal. Pick it
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It's a craft cocktail they make with the iron smoked whiskey. But go
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and Shakes at plates and Shakes dot com. So I don't remember that's when
this said. I lost my own. It's one headlights, you know what.
I'm realizing it doesn't feel like Christmas this year for me. Yeah,
I don't know why I didn't go through this. I go through this every
year or so it doesn't feel like it's Christmas. No, I have so
much on the ground or maybe but I just have so much stuff going on
that I haven't and I haven't been you know, my kids and stuff.
I didn't put my tree up in my place. I will. I will
do that. I think it's good for the uh your mental state and all
that stuff. But I just haven't. And uh so tonight I actually found
myself getting annoyed with somebody and and it almost feels like I shouldn't say that
I was annoyed. But there was a car parked out here and on the
roof is a speaker. But it's like a tenny speaker and there lasting music,
but they're not they're not blasting Christmas music. They're just blasting like pop
music or whatever. So I walk outside what is going on? And I
look? I look, and it's a car with a manora on top and
they're playing. And I know satellite radio is like the Hanuka channel, and
it's like, you know, just a lot of talented artists were Jewish,
and so I think that's what they're playing on that channel. But I was
just trying to record something. Time I'm getting annoyed and it's blaring and it's
just sitting out there and it's tinny and it's not even I go, what
is going on? And then they go, are you allowed to say anything
in the state of the world anymore? That I was annoyed? And the
guy I wouldn't care if they had Christmas tree standing on top of it.
I was still would have been annoyed. It was just But can I say
because it was a manora, are you allowed to say that I was annoyed
at this person for blasting tiny music that you couldn't really hear. It was
echoing off a building, It was parked in a no parking area anyway,
Okay, it doesn't matter what what flavor. And then I so then I'm
thinking, what if you live next to somebody that just goes over the top
with the decorations, so you can't sleep at night because like the lights like
going into your wind. When I lived, when I lived for a very
brief minute in Webster, there was a guy that every year did this outrageous
over the top display. People would slow down. It was kind of you
know, people hit and it's cute for the kids to see it. All.
I go, but if you live next to that guy, you need
blackout curtains in every fucking room that faces that side of the house. It
would annoy the shit and you live across room you need it. It was
like, I got, it's funny because like they have zoning laws for a
reason. So does the zoning loss not count during the holidays. I don't,
Well, what's the zoning law? Yeah, probably not. I don't
know that they zoned for that. Now, hang on, it's funny you
bring this up. I see an article in the New York Times and I
go, wait a second, that's near where I grew up, La Grangeville.
La Grangeville is like this just nowhere, middle nowhere town. Didn't easy,
No, that was the grange another nowhere of town. Yeah, So
I'm reading about this and it's the whole article is about the Grangeville and this
guy that goes over the top every year to I don't know, for the
Christmas display, and it says a couple of New York state name Tim and
Grace Gay. The Gays hold the record for the most Christmas lights on a
residential property. Back in twenty twelve they put up over three hundred and forty
six thousand lights. Then they beat their own record in twenty fourteen by almost
doubling that with over six hundred thousand. How they count them probably each ball
who knows, well if they if it's a record, and I don't know.
It doesn't say it's a Guinness record, so I don't know. Thousands
of people visit their house every December in the Rangeville, just outside Poughkeepsie and
it is sort outside Pokeepsie. They use it as a fundraiser for local charities
and they've raised close to seven hundred thousand dollars over the year. Oh wow,
that's a wonderful thing. That's very nice. Okay, we can give
them that, right, that's a lot of money, right, But now
they're dealing with a growing distaste among their neighbors. You're a mean one.
I get it. I get it. And by the way, you got
that many light bulbs. I don't care if you're doing it for charity pal
Bro. If NASA can get the year from the Space Show, you got
a problem. Got a little problem, all right. One thing, when
you're last Vegas, the lights are very bright. There's an endless line of
cars, and they blast music through big speakers. I would I'd have to
move. Oh yeah, because people want to see it. I'd have to
move. A guy named ed Edward I don't know how you pronounced his last
name, compared it to running a lego land out of your property for forty
days a year. So they start this in the beginning of November and problem
run through New Year. He ran for a seat. This guy ran for
a seat on the town board last year just to make the city rain in
the display. His only purpose to get on the board was to get a
neighbor to cut the shit. That's wow, this is phenomenal. I want
to find this guy, and I will, But he lost with fifteen percent
of the vote. That was his only platform, so no one's own for
him. This year's display is bigger than ever and should set another record.
They say. It includes over seven hundred and twenty thousand lights, one thousand,
seven hundred seventeen hundred strobes, and a playlist with two hundred and fifty
five songs. See the strobes in the playlist are what would drive me nuts.
I think the lights you might be able to get used to if they
don't, like keep flashing, or if they flash at a certain pattern you
use when you get to the strobes, I mean you could get you could
like, if you have usual Wepsi you could Yeah, they open even if
you don't. If you get that stuff, you could like we're those cartoons
in Japan they were talking about that would make a kid sick. So they
okay, so it's not forty days like that guy said. They open the
day after Thanksgiving and it runs through December twenty eighth. Now they don't plan
to do it forever. They say, once they hit the grand total of
one million dollars in donations, they'll stop. Man, I would be finals
be taking bank loans. Yeah, you're like shaming people into donating to tear
down your lights. Just turn it off, pleaseh there you go. I
don't not really give them from the heart. Now. Look, if you
go to like the Fairgrounds and you drive through, or there's some place down
in Syracuse along Onondaga Lake that you can go through the park and it's their
place in Victory where you can do that. That's lovely. That's great.
Yeah, that's great. You're shining in my fucking bedroom. I'm annoyed.
We got a problem. I'm annoyed you got a problem, Danny. You
have a wife, Yeah I do. I've had I've had too. If
you're collecting the total, yeah, I have one right now. Yes,
no, you're beating me. You'll catch you up. No, no,
you ain't gonna get married again. Ah good, good, Okay, I'm
all right. I thought the same thing. No, me and Doug turn
into Doug starting to watch. I want to start getting involved in some wills
though, Bill, Yeah, well will planning for I'm just saying what I
didn't explain properly. Like when I said Doug's house looks like a fort,
what I mean is it's like a little kid's fort. You know what I
mean? Like a little kid gets Did he get offended? Did he get
upset? When you said not? But I'm just saying, like, you
go in like the kids got hey, hey, we built the room over
the garage. It's the kid's fort in there. You know, that's what
Doug's house is like. And then you go in and I mean there's things
that would just never happen if a woman lived there. The ship wouldn't be
like this. Yeah, it's clutters coming down, coming down. You got
all the uh these forty nine ers ship that's just awkwardly around the room.
Some of it needs to be dusted. He's got his sex swing for the
plant right that has no plant in it, hanging from the ceiling. That's
never happening. I got That's all I'm saying. Ah, but no,
Yeah, I have a wife and home and so there's a story that I
sometimes meds that I saw that I always go these things are are very creepy.
But I would be an awful partner to have in a situation like this.
But I will let you. Uh, this is a story out of
Denver, but we've had similar things happen here with neighbors in the park Hill
community on high alert after they say a man broke into several homes and stole
intimate items, including women's underwear. The one homeowner even left because that's somebody
would do that. Yes, it's yes, isn't that? It's somewhat disturbing
that someone would do that, I would think and I laugh. But my
my initial thought is I get it's uncomfortable, it's creepy, but nothing happened.
But then you have to go, well, what's the next level?
Right? Where does this stop? And usually these things don't regress. They
progress been captured video of who police are calling up potential suspect and at least
one of these case, he says Fox, if he wants a Leah simm
spoke to some of those neighbors today, A Leah God, hey, Aleah,
nice panties. Look at that man? Get this one day where I
spoke to who tells me the bizarre situation has happened to her and her roommate
on not one, not two, but three separate occasions. You guys should
start selling them. He takes some fucking money. Ladies, you got a
the dazzle. Oh that's terrible. Now, that would be very uncomfortable it's
uncomfortable to know that anybody has been in your space when you're not there.
When you're not there, you feel very violated. Some of the items that
you think that a thief would want to steal, he totally passed over completely.
I mean money, medications like PlayStations, computers, didn't didn't even grab
any of that. She's recalling them. Hey, it comes to all my
stuff. He wanted anew he wanted he wanted a PlayStation, baby, she
said. I mean, that's just I mean the fact that she actually said,
Hey, here's all this stuff in my asse. They're gonna have other
creeps coming by. Has this man broken to her home? She asked to
remain anonymous, but tells me the first time he came through her window in
July, all the lights were on in the house. It seemed like he
chose to come when there was someone there. My roommate was asleep in my
bedroom. I was not home at the time, she says. Her roommate
grabbed a knife and went to approach the man, and showing my roommate into
the wall, my roommate stabbed him twice. Pretty shallow he had something in
it. Seeing she slashed him as probably what happened. Maybe yeah, right,
I don't know his mouth it was a sexual toy. That's when she
tells me was cold and he ran. All right now, and now I
take it all back. If a guy's in her house with a sex toy
in his mouth and he's going through your roommate's underwear drawer, I'm you freaked
the fuck out. Yeah, she drove that knife and heartedly ran. She
says he came back three weeks later. Man, he must like the center
or something, this time captured on video. Saturday, she saw a post
from a neighbor on next door telling a very similar story. I went into
my office and I noticed that the window was wide open. There was no
scream, which I thought was really weird because every time you leave the house
I always make sure whose are clones. She didn't think much of it until
she started to get dressed and I got looking through my doors. I noticed
that all my underwear had been on mixing. Neighbors, terrified to sleep at
night, are now hoping the man can be caught. And by the way,
where are their boyfriends or husbands? Jesus Christ, get a fucking bat
and go it. Seriously, No that's weird as the one. No,
I can't take the whining anymore, and I can't take you coming in here
right. I need to fucking sleep. You're now, you know you know
what? You scared my wife? I got that. Now you're disrupting my
life. It's all about me, and I'm going to kill you soon.
It seems dangerous at this point. He needs me caught, he needs me
stopped. He's not going to stop until we do something. Yeah, and
police tell me this man could be linked to both of those homes because of
the similar stories and how closely the women live to one another. But investigators
are working to gather more information. If you can help identify this man or
locate him, your acts to contact our partners at Metro Denver Crime Stoppers in
studio. Elijah Simms, Fox thirty one, all Right, there you go.
I'd asks for a new boyfriend, right, alright, alright, alright,
what I wasn't gonna say, Uh, that's a very creepy thing,
and it is. Yeah, I mean, I'm making horrible, making,
very stupid bass jokes. But I do think like I am surprised that.
I mean, if your wife's upset, you're pissed. If your wife's upset
because somebody has done something physically that just makes your whole person feel unsafe.
You're it bothers you. You want to go seek a little justice, Yes,
go somewhere, take the law into your own hands. Well, I
mean you shouldn't. That's a bad idea. We don't. Don't be a
fit landing. But you know, baseball Bath, this was Texas, but
that's not it's Colorado. No. But I'm saying either way, usually those
things don't end well. No, they usually don't end well. But oh
my goodness. Yeah, I mean like, we had a friend that tried
to tase somebody at a bar and that guy wrestled the taser away and tased
him. And that man's name was Joe Riccadoo got tased by his own taser
in the bar trying to defend a woman. I think just took it,
flipped Joe around, boom, put him on the ground, and then like
it. Yeah, it's like fucking like you soldier. So there you go.
But if that happened to Bath, yeah, I'd be pretty up.
So you're gonna be on the prow Oh yeah, Like you don't want to
wait outside. I would be like Mike the Dad. That's the first guy
I thought, Yeah, late, great, like the dad who's almost I
still have his last voicemail on my phone. I've never erased it passed away
and went twenty fourteen. Yeah, and he he used to talk about it,
like, hey, Danny, what I went. I sat in the
truck. I was waiting for that. I was waiting for that guy.
He's gonna come around. Yeah. Like he literally had a machete, he
said, you and tommy machetes. Remember, I didn't realize how big those
things were. They're like practically swords, yeah they are. But like that's
like where you need a guy like Mike the Dad on your side, be
like, yeah, I'll want your neighborhood. You should sit in this truck
and watch the neighborhood sometimes, he said, just to keep the peace.
We just went off off camera. The iPad died. I don't know,
flipping over to the phone. It's fine, but yeah, that's that's I
mean, that's that's that's I mean, it's it's violation. It's a violation
of your privacy. And you don't know who this person is. Clearly you
know they're a creep and they're a nut and what are they gonna do?
Now, that's the thing. It's like there you can't And the other thing
is, like I believe the saying is you can't fight crazy, either verbally
or any other way. You don't want to get involved with the guy,
like you don't know what's gonna happen. Better off not if you could hold
them, detain them, if you could hold to make gun point, I
guess I don't know, But like he's begun fake? Do they not know
who the guy is? No, they got pictures video of him. The
one girl stabbed them. No, I understand that part, but like like
that sounds like they don't know who he is. Okay, it's not I
understand what you're saying because they have an inside job. No, it sounds
like a guy who saw pretty girls on the street and decided that's where they
live. Yeah, there's just some nutty people. Just it's kind of nuts.
It smells like peach. I mean that's what it would be. Yeah,
all right, tomorrow to get one of those candles by what's your name?
What the coop? Yeah, it's Gwyneth Paltrow. Do that. Gwyneth
PALTROW'SJJ, I would say something else. But tomorrow we have Dan Mason,
who is the general manager of our Rochester Red Wings coming in. Uh.
They do some great social media stuff. We'll talk to him. Uh.
We will have our Peter on let me rephrase it came out completely. We
will have our Peter On Peter to talk about the all twenty two what he
saw. Uh. And I do wonder if Tyler Dunn's article had changed the
way McDermott coached the game at the end, in the crucial moments. I
don't know, just a theory. But part of the piece is that when
they were in Tampa Bay a couple of years ago, it was actually about
this about this time of year, two years ago, because I remember because
I had a friend died that night of COVID. They're playing that they're playing
in Tampa Bay. They're down like twenty four to seven in the fourth quarter,
and the Bills miraculously come back and then throw Tampa Bay on the ropes.
Now they end up losing in overtime because of because like the defense,
you know, fed up. But the point is, though, is that
in the article, if you get over the nine to eleven stuff. He
talks about how the offensive coaches said, screw you, coach, here's what
we're doing, Josh, here's the you just throw it and you go.
Yeah, And they came back and almost won the football game in spite of
their head coach. Jackson Jordan Jamison were all at that game. Oh wow
in Tampa Bay. Yeah, okay, uh yeah. Interesting. So we'll
have Peter on and then we will also have Stephanie Ide and her boyfriend.
This is gonna be interesting. Yeah, I'm gonna be like Barbara. I
don't think I'm gonna I'm not gonna get I'm not going to even do anything
for the show tomorrow. I'm just gonna it's like a night off. It
kind of Plus, we might have killed and I may have to apologize the
purchase. We'll have all that too, because I have a lot of work
to do. There's a lot going on behind the scenes. I canna work
out myself, Billy, Apparently I got to be a jack you know,
figures at the ball, don't break past Yeah, rub circular motion. Dan,
I'm sorry baby, for Dan Barrillo, for Tyler Dunn, for the
It was great. Tyler was great. The Victims of the the panty stealing
Oh man, that's right for the guy with the monora on the off of
his car with the tinny speaker. I'm tining a TV for the r T
kid who has returned home, and we'll find out more tomorrow. We'll find
out more tomorrow with Deputy Hurley. Oh yeah, ba show. That's right.
We have to do five. We have to doing overtime. We're going
overtime, overtime tomorrow. Oh g tomorrow. I'm Bill Moran, he's Dan
BURRELLO. We'll see you with Kevin. Yes tomorrow. I WoT a big
hotel, didn't know what to do. I'm trying to TV to you start
a band. State