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Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello, beautiful Bobo. How you doing man?
Excellent? How are you not bad? Not bad? It's a good
day because of our guests. But before we get to our guests, what's
been up with you? Man? Oh? Well, I remember I told
you what my buddy was selling his part of his company. He was buying
that ranch that was in like one hundred thousand acres closed acres behind three lockdates.
Yeah, I remember something about that. Yeah, well he's put it
under a contract. I went up there a couple of days ago and check
it out when I with the owner and saw the whole property, and I
went up and scouted it for him and just saidude, you want it.
It's so it's such a bitch in place to the house and everything. It's
it's beautiful, it's it's remote. So yeah, so I got the escrow.
It's a forty five day escrow. And so then yeah, about six
weeks. I'll have run of the place, access to a private bigfooting oasis.
Huh yeah. Yeah. The only problem is is that where his place
is, it's it's like dead in the middle, and it's a few miles
either way to to the squatchy spots, and like there's no reason they would
be coming to this guy's place. But he's bringing in a bunch of animals.
He's gonna put in a big h you know, he's gonna buy like
as mature of a you know, fruit uese as you can, butch like
you know, he's not waiting for years and years for production, you know,
to get start getting fruit. And then there's already big organic gardens in
there, and uh yeah, so he's gonna get you know, he's gonna
have his daughter's horses. I think there's gon be three horses. He's building
a corral and a not a riding right now, but just allance and barn
and stables, then chicken coops and probably some goats and then a big garden,
fruit trees and all that. So hopefully it starts bringing some squashes around
there. And I can I can do it, he said, I got
free right on it. They can bring my friends or do expeditions there or
whatever. But I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. Then when
I was there a couple of days ago, I was like, yeah,
it's And I was talking to the owners and the neighbors said they've that,
well, the neighbors are a couple miles away, so that they've they've had
suspicions of them. They haven't seen any, but they've you know, this
all the activity they've had. They said, it's rare. Though. I
thought, like, we hear these starts, like, oh they're they're here,
you know, we hear stuff all the time. But that wasn't the
case. And I was shocked because you know, all around it it's good,
but there's really good drainages a couple miles in their direction that are much
more like you know, I'm sure they're in there all the time. You
know. Well, hopefully, you know, i'd love to see the property.
I'll probably be down there this fall, maybe late summer falls, so
hit you up of course, and see what's going on with it. Then
hopefully that works out and you have your private little you know, big foot
shager a lot back in there that you can have access to. Me nice
have a secure piece of land no one else really has access to where you
can kind of keep your thumb on top of the action. Yeah, and
he's gonna let me. There's a couple of actually little cabins on the Property's
giving me one to use it like whenever. You know, it's just mine
to use whenever. I'll have one of the only keys to get in there.
And then everybuddy's Sam from a Type four sever one podcast and I was
didn't work on the movies with Yeah. Yeah, he lives closer there,
so he's gonna be like the fill in. Well if if he needs a
caretaker, I'll if I can work it, I'll go over there and do
it. And if not, like it was just for like a day because
it's a long drive for me. Sam will be the fill in guy.
So then he'll be he'll be there because you know, take care of the
animals and stuff. So Sam will be out there fairly off so he's all
about it. He'll be all over it, you know, paying attention to
the guy who's buying it. My buddy's buying it. He's a big time
hunter and you know he's he's alert to what's going on. So he's he's
all about, you know, trying to film him and stuff. So he's
gonna get some uh you know, recording equipment, some thermal you know,
pan in tilts around the property and stuff like that, and you know he
wants to try to get him on film. Well good good, it's nice
out. The cooperation of owners so perfect. Yeah. Yeah, I stopped
a bluff on the way back. I just took it. I went up
bluff and checked out a couple of spots, and then I went up to
see where the snow line was, because we do. We'd have the biggest
storm of the winter in the first week of May, dumped a bunch of
more snow and you get it. Was to say, you know, it's
that typical spot when you get up there. I thought it was gonna be
further down the snow line, but it was up like a I guess it's
like the fourteen thirteen or fourteen mile mark and about forty that spot between like
forty three hundred and forty four hundred feet where it always kind of stays till
late in the year. Yeah, there's usually patches up there even when I
get up there, like if I get up it early enough. So yeah,
because that Usually when that clears, it's still, you know, weeks
until the shaded spots clear on the on the north side on twelve and thirteen.
Yeah, it's a pretty dicey area. Man. It's wild out there
and anything goes. So it's gonna be interesting to see what's left after the
fires. I know the PG site itself was spared, but I think Laired
Meadows gone. I could be wrong, but I'd like to I'd like to
see it for myself. The fire guys made the line one hundred yards.
It came within a hundred within one hundred yards on one side, one hundred
fifty yards on the other of the site, and they they put the liner
and they saved the PG film site. Like they specifically they said they they
got they got word. I don't know if it was Kip Moral or what,
but they got a thing saying that's the game of the exact GPS cordus.
They said, that's where the PG film site is. Save it.
And then they put a crew down in there and they saved it. Oh
gosh, that's that's awesome. Yeah. Well shoot, yeah, so it
sounds like you've been busy, got some stuff going on. I was at
the Ohio conference. But I think we just save that for the UH for
the members episode today because as our guest we'll introduce in just a moment was
also at the Ohio conference, so I think we can have a good discussion
about some of the stuff that happened there. But before we jump into our
guests here, I'm excited to introduce him in a moment, I want to
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Cliff and Bobo you can handle. So, without much further to do,
I want to reiterate that it is indeed a good day today because any day
with Eric Altman and it is a good good day. And we have Eric
on the line with us, a long time friend of ours, great big
for researchers, been in the game for quite a while. So Eric,
thank you so much for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond. We really appreciate it.
How you doing today, man, I'm good and it's about time.
Eric and Bobo. How you doing, brother? I was just thinking you're
one of the few East Coast bigfooters I knew before the show started doing Fun
and Bigfoot because you came out to the two thousand and seven fortieth anniversary for
the PG film. Yeah, that's where I met you, both, Cliff
and you James. Yeah. Absolutely, it was a great time. Hotly,
I don't remember you being there. I don't remember much about the event
anyway, but I holy smoked, I didn't know you were there. That's
awesome. Yeah, him and Dave McCollough came out from the East. We
had two East Coasters there. Yeah. I actually came out with Tim Cassidy
and we met Diane Stalking out there and we stayed in the same hotel out
in Humboldt, and we came to the event and That's that's where I first
met Bobo. I'll never forget it because those doors swung open and here comes
Bobo with a pickup truck back to the front door and back doors, and
he was unloading some I think kegs of beer, right yeah, Bluff Creek
Palel from six Hers Brewery. Yeah, he was late, but at least
this time he had a good reason for it. It actually brought kegs to
the event. So it's perfect. About Stevie Woo or Hawaii attendee, I
remember that guy. Yeah, we took him out the bluff. Was it
We got to Bluff right after that or did that? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, we camped out Bluff and it was like the coldest night ever for
that date. It was like twenty six degrees and there was like a little
north wind, so it was even colder. Yeah, And you know,
the Stevie was great because he had never been off the islands of Hawaii before.
He had never left the islands, and so the first place he goes
as Humboldt, it's cold, and there's trees and there's mountains like he'd never
seen. I remember, he was tripping just hard on everything he observed out
there. Eric Was that your first trip to the West coast. Yeah,
it was actually because of the PG film the anniversary, I wanted to come
out and that's my first time visiting Willow Creek. And Tim and I made
the truck up to Oregon to I think it was called Pacific City and we
were supposed to meet Peter Burn up there, but unfortunately that didn't work out.
And then we came down through Happy Camp Bluff Creek and then ended up
back in Willow Creek. We went over to the big Foot Books Store,
had dinner with Danny Perez. It was a great weekend. Man, it
was like a bucket list weekend. You know, you're an old timer when
you referred to him as Danny Perez. You know I still call him that.
Yeah, Well he doesn't like it, you know, he likes Daniel.
Of course. Now I trying to call him Daniel. I mean,
it's just when I'm talking. When I'm talking to him, I say Daniel
as much as I can. But when I'm just talking, I'm like,
oh, Danny Perez. You know, if I'm thinking about something, yeah,
yeah, you can always tell who's been in it for a while.
But who does that? You know, He's quick to correct you. It's
Daniel, Yes, Daniel. I just actually after the last couple of nights
up there in Bluff. Oh nice, just got back to there. Very
cool, very cool. Eric. Did you spend much time in the woods
when you're right here? I mean that sounds like you're all over the place,
But where you just mostly riving or did you get some camping in or
what were you doing out here then? Besides the anniversary celebration. Yeah,
we hit a couple places. We got some places to go from Steve Stroyfert
and I reached out to Bob Morgan because he'd spent a lot of time out
there, and Robert Morgan gave us some places to go check out some campsites.
We didn't camp while we were there, but we got to drive around.
And if you remember, Bobo, while we were up there, I
think we ran into you at night we came down off the mountain and I
think Bruce was driving the SUV and had his high beams on and blinded you
guys. I don't remember, but that tries me. I get snappy if
someone does that. I'm surprised you didn't end up with the windshield full of
pennies or something like that. Bobo has been known to chuck stuff like that
out the window and he's pissed. Yeah, we were just driving around some
back roads, trying to explore a little bit, and Bobo had a group
out and we come down the mountain and we turned a corner and they were
standing on the road and Bruce had his high beams on him, like,
dude, you're blind in them. So Bruce turned them off and Bobo yelled
us nothing like little Bobo, shame, Welcome to California. Well, it's
like you don't you don't hire the people that you don't drive fast past a
camp, kick up a dust cloud or a house or a cabin, you
know, or people walking. You just you don't dust them and you don't
hide. You like the two rules. Well there's more than two rules,
but you know the number one rules. Everybody has a good time. That's
what I think I noticed about you a long time ago, Bobo, is
that you're like the good time police. As long as everybody's cool and chill
and there's no problem. But if one person it makes anybody else, you
know, kind of frown, you're gonna get on them and somebody could get
punched if they push it hard enough. Not unless it's funny, then it's
just some of the problems. It's fine, fair enough. Well, Eric,
we've referred to you as an old timer, I suppose, with the
other two old men on this podcast, and of course then young and snippy
Matt Prut. But how long have you been doing this thing? Because our
listeners, because you know, so many of our listeners are new. In
fact, so many people in the bigfoot community are new. They only came
into the subject with Finding Bigfoot or something, and that's less than ten years
ago. More than ten you've been I'm older all the time, but you've
been doing this for a long time. So tell us about how your journey
through this Who Squatch Them? Started? Well, growing up as a kid,
I was a big fan of all the bee horror films, and in
the late seventies, of course, there was In Search of with Leonard Nimoy.
I was a huge fan of that show, and I got really turned
onto the whole Bigfoot scene with Legend of Boggy Creek and Creature from Black Lake,
and I was just floored that there might be a possibility of an upright
walking biped out there in the forest, so I wanted to learn more.
I went to my library around the age of ten and was shocked to find
out that there were newspaper articles about sightings in my hometown of Greensburg, Pennsylvania
in the nineteen seventies. And I started reading these articles, I learned that
it was also a research in my hometown by the name of Stan Gordon.
He would put on displays at the local mall during the summer months. He'd
have a weekend where he had UFO pictures and UFO evidence and newspaper articles and
bigfoot cast bigfoot prints and photographs, reports and stuff like that. So,
as a young kid like eleven, twelve, thirteen years old, I would
go to the malls and I would just harass him all weekend long, asking
him questions one after another. Tell me about this case, or tell me
about this cast, or tell me about this print. And that point forward.
He became my mentor, and from the age of thirteen, I started
to educate myself, reading as many books as I could, studying the subject
matter. I went to college, kind of put her on the back burner
for a couple of years so I could study and get a good education,
graduated, started getting back into the Bigfoot stuff slowly, and I guess it
was back in nineteen ninety six, ninety five, I moved to eastern Ohio
with my wife if we were engaged to be married, and I went to
the library there and as you guys know it, back in the mid nineteen
nineties, the Internet was just started to come into light, and I started
finding these bigfoot websites. They were really amateurish and really not a lot of
detail, but there was enough there to let me know that there were sightings
going on in eastern Ohio. So I started driving around eastern Ohio, probably
around the age of twenty five twenty six, just looking into it. Moved
back to Pennsylvania in ninety seven and hooked up with Moneymaker through the BFRO.
I was one of the first members of the BFRO, which was kind of
short lived at that time, unfortunately, But I found there were some other
researchers in Pennsylvania doing their own thing, and I began investigating cases, talking
to eyewitnesses, going out in the field, probably ninety six ninety seven,
and I've been doing it ever since. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo, we'll be right back after these messages. And in
all that time, have you put your eyes on one yet. I have
seen some things in the forest that I don't know what they were, but
I can't definitively say it was a squatch. I've seen eyeshine about nine and
a half feet up in the air, and some high brush. I've seen
On one occasion in Ohio at Salt Fork, I saw something hit the handicapped
picnic area in two thousand and eight in my high beams. I saw,
for maybe three four seconds just kind of stand up for me behind a bush,
and I was shocked. I was like, what the heck was that?
I was out there with Mike Feltner. It was in October of two
thousand and eight and I had gone out to meet Don Keating. He was
having his Tri State Bigfoot study group, and Mike Feldner and I decided to
go out into the park after the meeting was over, and we hit Hozak's
Cave, we hit the handicap picnic area, and we just went to a
couple different places cave. About three in the morning, we heard some real
high pitched howls, real long howls come off the hillside in the direction of
the handicap picnic area, and we were kind of blown away because we weren't
expecting anything. So we decided to go back to the handicap picnic area and
check it out. And when we arrived, I pulled my vehicle in behind
the big pavilion there with the headlights hitting out into the open area, and
we walked maybe fifty to seventy five feet into the picnic area behind the pavilion
and we had a rock thrown at us and Mike saw it. He saw
it hit the ground and bounce. I heard it, and it freaked Mike
out. He wasn't expecting it, so he took off back to the car
and he's yelling at me to get back to the car. He wanted to
leave, and I'm like, this is what we're here for, but he
wanted to go, So I went back to the car. I got in
the car and proceeded to back the car up, and as I did,
my high beams went a cross this brush on the right side of that open
field area there where the picnic tables are, and I saw something stand up
just behind that brush and it didn't kind of lean forward and stand up.
It went straight up and I got a bluish white eyeshine reflect for just a
second or two, and I was shocked. I was like, what was
that? And I jumped out of my car with a spotlight and whatever was
there was gone. The next day, I come up in the morning real
early. I checked the area out. The whole area behind that brush was
all trampled down, like something was walking around. There were woodknocks coming from
down the hill in the wooded area. I went to check it out,
but I could never find the source, So I don't know what it was.
It happened so quick it could have been something, but I didn't get
a really good looking at it to say exactly what it was. It just
something stood up with an eye shine return and it was gone. Sounds like
a definite maybe to me, that's awesome. You know, a whole lot
of definitely babies up to probably. Yeah, that's a math's for you,
yeah, rad Rad. Now, so looking back in your bigfooting career has
been quite a while now, I mean, holy smoke's like thirty years or
something. I'd give or take what sets people like. Frankly, like all
of everybody on the line right now, all of us, all four of
us listening, Bobo and I and you and pro It and stuff. What
sets us kind of aside is our longevity. And to be in this particular
game for so long. It's kind of hard because so little happens. I
mean literally, like a year can go by and you don't even hear of
vocalization and you're going out and stuff. It's kind of hard to keep going.
So what cases back in the beginning of your big footing career really kept
you going, Like Kenna kind of teased you enough to really stick it out?
Or are you just a stubborn kind of guy or both? I think
kind of both. When I first got into this, like I said,
there was a long history before I started researching in my area. And what
I would do is drive around to these historical spots where there were sightings and
try to put myself in the witnesses shoes, or I'd try to hunt down
the witness if their name was available. And in one particular case, there
was a gentleman by the name of Sam Sherry, and he lived in the
Chestnut Ridge, a little town called Wilpin, Pennsylvania, and he had a
small two room house he and his wife. Elderly gentleman, probably in his
seventies when I met him, But in the mid nineteen eighties he had a
really close encounter if the spill wave a place called Sleepy Hollow just outside of
Ligandiar, Pennsylvania, and the night he went out and had his experience,
it was in nineteen eighty eight. He went out that night to do some
night fishing. He parked his vehicle at the Poland area right along the spillway,
and it's the Loyal Hannah Creek that runs through that area. And while
he's out there fishing, he was just getting set up to start, he
heard some noise off on his left on the embankment of the Loyal Hannah Creek,
and he looked over and he couldn't see anything at first, but he
heard something moving around and he got a flashlight and shined his flashlight over there
in the direction of the noise, and he saw this figure that was standing
there, and at first he thought it was a person, but it slowly
started moving towards him and he could see it was an upright, long armed,
well below the knees creature. If you want to call it that,
and it was coming towards him, and by this time he was a little
freaked out. He turned around, went back to his vehicle and he said,
this thing was right up against his vehicle. He had his window down
because it was in the summer, and this thing stuck its head inside the
vehicle and was face to face with him. Ooh, And he said the
breath was so horrible. It smelled like rotten fish. And as this thing
was breathing, it was spitting and slobbering all over his face. It had
his hands down on his windowsill push the car down as he was trying to
back up, and he finally yelled at it. It stood a kind of
shocked, stepped back. He was able to back the vehicle off and drive
off, and he had passed information onto a couple of local researchers who investigated,
took his report, went to the site. And when I read this
case, I had to meet Sam and I met him and probably about ten
years after he had his sighting in nineteen ninety eight, and became good friends
with him and his wife, and he would take me to the location.
He showed me exactly where everything happened. He recounted his story so many times
I could tell it in my sleep. He seemed very credible, just really
no reason to make it up. And his sighting was probably one of the
first that really got me inspired to start really looking into this seriously. And
from that point forward I started going out in the Chestnut Ridge with him and
other researchers, and there was so many cases over the years that always had
an air of truth to it. The witnesses seemed credible, there was some
circumstantial evidence recovered, whether it be footprints or audio recordings, or something that
happened to them that they were able to recount. That really kept me motivated
to continue to look. Because you're absolutely right, Cliff, there are sometimes
we'll go through a dry spell where nothing happens, there's no audio sounds,
there's no footprints found, there's a shortage of cases going on a drought,
if you will, and then boom, you get a case that really just
captures you, draws you, sucks you in and you've got to get back
out there and here you go again. How traumatized does that dude? From
that event he became obsessed, not necessarily traumatized, where he was shaken up.
No, when I met him, he was so obsessed. He started
a little group that was just him and a couple other guys. They called
it the Chestnut Ridge Bigfoot out Post or Bigfoot Center. And he was determined
to capture one of these things. He had huge snares made up, and
he would put the snares out in the forest and bait trout and buckets and
hang the buckets up on the tree and put the snare down at the base
of the tree. He was so determined to capture one of these things to
prove it to everybody else, And he became more obsessed than he was traumatized.
But he became also in the same sense. He would tell anybody who
would listen to him. He became a pretty well known celebrity in his little
village or little town that he lived in. Now, all this happened on
Chestnut Ridge, and boy, I'll tell you what a story that is.
I don't think I've ever heard anything quite like that. Fantastic report. So
of course you'd probably want to keep chasing that. Is that something that you
wanted to have happen to you though, or is that just like, like
I want that to happen. That'd be horrifying if something stuck its head in
like that. But Chestnut Ridge, Man, that's kind of on everybody's radar
in Pennsylvania now, probably largely because of the small Town Monster of documentary that
was made around it. But you were out there for quite a while before.
Was it you who pointed Seth and the guys and gals out that direction
or did they come through it, come to that location through maybe Stan Gordon
or something like that. Yeah, Seth started following Stan's work, and that's
how we learned about my work, because Stan and I worked very closely together.
And Seth came out and in twenty seventeen he filmed the documentary Invasion on
Chestnut Ridge, where he documented all the Sasquatch activity along with other weird anomalies
going on, the UFO sightings and other strange phenomenon. And yeah, it's
really captured attention from a lot of people, not just in Pennsylvania but outside
the state as well. People are really starting to look into the area because
it's got a long history hundreds of years going back of I have newspaper articles
going back hundreds of years where it documents people's experiences with sasquatch or other strange
anomalies like I said, UFOs or other cryptid creatures. So it's got a
long history and people just have really seemed to capture everybody's attention. Now everybody
wants to go up to the Chestnut Ridge. Is it blown out now because
of that or is their still activity? It was blown out when we went
there. I remember we were out That's the one spot where at night where
we ran into multiple groups of other big foot hunters. I was camping on
that trip, I do. It's pretty pretty remote nonetheless, though, yeah,
we run in it. We run in two different groups knocking and howling
that were like they worked together and we didn't, and they didn't know we
were gonna be out there. It was it was that's the one time that
happened. Yeah, there are several groups now that do research in the area.
The group that I go out with, I go out with a small
three or four group people group out in the woods and we don't tell anybody
where we're going. We don't announce where our research areas are. We keep
them to ourselves because we don't want to spoil them. But there's a lot
of areas that have gotten out publicly, that are just blown out. So
you have to be real careful if you go out to those areas to not
be fooled by the other researchers out there who are knocking and howling and making
noise. And how do you deal with that? How do you grapple with
that possibility that there might other people, might be other people out there?
Because that comes up a lot with us. A lot of our patrons ask
us that question on our q and as and whatever. How can you be
sure that it's not another group of bigfooters? And we go through our rigmarow
about. You know, I drive all the roads in my area to make
sure no one's camping nearby, and you know all the precautions that we take.
What do you do out there in Pennsylvania? And I think it's an
important answer here because out in the west where we're doing our stuff, there's
a lot of private land, and Pennsylvania does also have a lot of private
land. But I don't know if there's are there national forests down there Chestnut
Ridge, how would you deal with that down there? Yeah, there's the
Forbes State Forest in the It covers most of the Chestnut Ridge, the Laurel
Valley, the Laurel Highlands, if you want to call them that, where
there's the Laurel Ridge and the Chestnut Ridge, and we try to stick to
places that are off the beaten path to try to avoid other researchers because,
as I said, work gets out where there's been a sighting or there's been
activity, and everybody flocks to it. So we know that you know they're
probably going to beat people there. And the nights that we've gone out,
we've done what you've done. We've drive driven roads, we've driven around,
we've hiked in the woods before dark to see if anybody's out there camping.
We watch for headlights coming into the area we're in. We watch for flashlights,
stuff like that, and even if we hear sounds, we're suspicious of
them because we don't know for sure if it's another group out there, another
researcher, or if it's the real thing. So we try to be as
cautious as we can, but unfortunately you can't cover all the bases even though
you tried. Somebody might sneak up in the woods and you don't know they're
there. But we do the best that we can to try to prevent oversaturation
and running into other groups out there who were doing the same thing we are.
Yeah, there's only so much you can do at the end of the
day. So so in the introduction before we brought you on, I was
commenting to Bobo about how I just got back from the Ohio Bigfoot Conference,
and you have a long history with the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, dating back to
before it was even called the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. So I know that for
me, at least when I started bigfooting, I did most of it alone.
I'm a quiet introvert. I'm kind of a loner in a lot of
ways. I spent the first you know, six eight ten years of me
doing bigfoot stuff on my own, and when I started reaching out to other
people and networking, it had helped a lot. What was the Ohio Conference
in its natal form, I guess some of the earlier attempts at you're networking
back in the day, or were you brought there by other people, and
maybe talk about some of those early events with Don keating and whatnot. Sure,
Like I mentioned when I first got back into it after college, I
was living in eastern Ohio and I found at the Newton Falls Library in Ohio.
I found there were some websites out there, and one of the websites
was Don Keating's website, and he had an advertisement for what was called the
Annual Bigfoot Conference taking place in Newcomerstown, Ohio, and I started following it.
I thought that'd be kind of cool. I don't know anybody really in
Bigfoot, and I had been in contact with a couple people online, just
through emails and correspondents, but I didn't really know anybody in Ohio. I
thought, maybe this is a great way to meet some people and talk with
people. So I traveled over to Newcomers Town and Dawn had his event at
a middle school, the Newcomers Town Middle School, and it was in the
gymnasium I remember correctly. The first event I went to. I think ray
Crow was there, Smoky Crabtree, Laurene Coleman, some of the big names
in the field were there. And I had met Don for the first time,
and I told Don at that time, I said, you know,
I'm fascinated by this. I want to get involved, but I don't know
what to do. And Don told me right out, he said, there's
really only a couple guys in Pennsylvania that are doing research. Why don't you
just try to put network with people over there and just start doing it,
Just start going out and looking. And that's what I ended up doing.
But the Ohio or the Annual Bigfoot Conference that I should call it, really
kind of helped me start networking with other people that were interested in it,
and I got to meet, like I said, some of the legends in
the field at that time. I got to know Don pretty well. I
continue to attend the Annual Bigfoot Conference gosh, from to nineteen ninety six,
ninety seven, all the way up to twenty fourteen. Then I took a
break off from conferences for a year. But now I'm back to going out
to the Ohio big Foot Conferences that it's called now when Mark Dworth took it
over. But yeah, I've I've been a long time attendee of that.
I've networked with hundreds of other researchers from all across the country and from other
countries as well. You know Thomas Steinberg, I had a great opportunity to
meet him at the Annual Bigfoot Conference, Gosh, so many big names.
I had a chance to actually sit down and talk to at the Denny's diner,
you know, and just have an hour conversation with them and pick their
brain and ask them questions, you know. And they were so helpful and
influential and helping me to move forward with my research, because, like I
said, at that time, there really was only a couple of guys in
Pennsylvania, and I had no idea what I was doing. But this was
a great networking opportunity and a great chance to sit down with some of the
the guys who had been in this far far longer than that I was,
and just ask them what do you do in this situation, or how do
you handle this, or what do you do when you come across tracks?
How do you make casts? And that sort of thing, And they were
able to provide some great insight and some great advice. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Well, yeah, of course, speaking of casts, that's you got
some amazing, amazing evidence recently in the form of footprint casts, and we'll
get to that in just a moment. You can tell us how that transpired.
But it was actually when I saw the photographs of these things. I
was thinking, Man, that's great. You know, maybe we should have
Eric back on the podcast again. And I mentioned the pru It and he
goes, I don't think we've had them on, dude. I was thinking
about our original guest list we had, like we put down like twenty five
names, what it was thirty names, and he's one of the like him
and Derek Raveles, and there's a couple guys we had although we still haven't
had on you the first season. I thought then. I was looking at
the list, I was like, God, we still haven't had Eric all.
But we've said it like one hundred times. We got to call Eric.
Yeah, yeah. I put that in a text to Eric actually a
little while ago. I'm gonna pull it up real fast. I thought it
was. His response was pretty funny. Oh yeah, I said, Hey,
want to come on the podcast and talk about tracks along with all the
other cool stuff you've done for decades. I can't believe we haven't had you
on yet. And Eric's response was I'd be honored. I can't believe you
haven't on me on. Haven't had me on either. It was an oversight,
Please forgive us. No I know, I thought you'd already been on.
You know. It's all good man, and in my feeble defense.
So there are people that we've had on that I can't remember speaking to.
Like you told me, you said you tend to forget a lot of stuff,
so I only have so much ram you know. So yeah. But
so these footprint casts, I got to see them in person. You brought
them to the Ohio conference and pop them on my table there. I'm very
impressed with them. They're very good. They are clearly either real Sasquatch footprints
or very very good fakes. But the things that are about them that made
that even can make me considered that there's a slight possibility of them being fakes.
Can be explained very readily by supersaturated soil. Because it was a very
very wet mud puddle. You sent me pictures of the thing where it walked
through, and I think I think they're real. I'm not gonna be as
anybody. I do think they're real, but I try to leave a little
margin of error in there. But I do think they're real. There is
some rather straight lines and vertical walls, but again that's what happens when you
cast things in supersaturated soil, and of course I mean supersaturated. Imagine like
putting a sponge into water, that's a supersaturated sponge, and soil can be
the same way you know, standing water in a puddle and that sort of
thing. The footprints are fantastic. There's they strongly resemble many, many,
many other footprints in the data set, but not so much that I would
think that they're a cook cutter copy. And also, being a great bigfooter
like you are, you cast three footprints out of what five I think are
at the location, and therefore, because we have three of them, we
have multiple footprints of I believe the right if I remember right, the right
foot, and when you lay the right foot over each other and line up
the toes, the toes do not line up with each other. There is
a variability and horizontal tostplay, which is one of the most important things you
can look for in a footprint cast to see if these things are real.
One cast will not do it. There was somebody arguing that the London casts
are real recently, and they put one photograph of one print up and say
look at the tosplay. Well, to'splay is movement right. So if you
put one footprint photograph up, you don't know if it's playing or not.
You just don't know. But here we have two casts of the same foot
and overlaying them or overlying them or putting them over each other, anyway,
you can clearly see differentiation in toe position. They are just fantastic. And
congratulations, hats off to you. If I had fireworks, I would light
him off in Eric Altman's honor. Man, they are great, So tell
us how did this happen? Like, how did they come to you?
What was happening, what were the witnesses doing, and what were the struggles
with casting these things? Sure, on April twenty sixth, I went on
a lunch break and I checked my email for the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, and
there was an email submission from a guy named Jeff from a little a small
town in south central Pennsylvania, southwestern central Pennsylvania, if you want to call
it, that called Roaring Springs, and it's just to the north of Bedford,
Pennsylvania. And he said that he and some colleagues they are all hunters,
were out that early that morning and they were looking for a good area
to turkey hunt. They was scouting for turkey, and they had literally hiked
about two hundred and fifty yards into the woods on an ATV trail from their
parked truck. And this is a very heavily forested area. They've hunted there
before, so they're familiar with the area, so they wanted to scout and
see if there were any signs of turkey. And as they're walking back through
the ATV trail, they came across a muddy spillway area, probably about ten
feet twelve feet in length, that was just a big mud puddle in the
middle of the ATV trail, and they were looking for turkey tracks, and
they found coyote tracks and deer tracks, and the four gentlemen, one of
the taxidermists, one was a dentist. The gentleman Jeff, who contacted me.
He works in retail, and he said they were looking down at the
ground and one guy said, look at this print. This doesn't look like
a deer print. This looks like a big human, barefoot track. And
the other guy, who was standing on the opposite side of the mud puddle
was looking down he said, yeah, there's one over here too, And
they were kind of looking at each other puzzled, like, what are these
prints? They'd never seen them, So they started looking a little bit further
around the mud puddle, and they found a total of four tracks, two
left feet and two right feet, and three of the tracks went right through
the center of the mud puddle and had sunk pretty deep into the mud puddle
itself. And he was just amazed. And the gentleman who was a taxidermist,
and all four of them were lifelong hunters over fifty years, none of
them had ever seen tracks like this, so they were kind of surprise.
One of the gentlemen who the tracks was scared. He wanted to leave the
woods. He was like, let's get out here. There's something out here
that shouldn't be let's go. But they were smart enough to take pictures.
Unfortunately, they didn't have anything to set scale to the track except for one
of the hunter's bootprints or boots, and he put it next to the print,
and they sent an email to the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society. Well, I
monitor that email email box pretty frequently. I saw the email and I was
like, Wow, this isn't far from my house, but I know there's
two researchers that are closer than I am. Maybe they can do a quick
follow up. So I sent it off to the two researchers and one of
them made a phone call to him that same day and he sent me the
pictures she actually sent to her, and then she sent them to me,
and I got on the phone with him and like, these tracks are amazing.
These are not bare human footprints. They're much much wider, much longer.
Are they still there? And he's like, yeah, they're still here.
I said, well, how can I get up there to take a
look at these? And the gentleman Jeff that I spoke to who sent the
email, said, come on up, I'll show you exactly where they are.
So the following day, that Saturday, was beginning of youth Turkey season
hunting the season, and we didn't want to go into the woods to try
to cast tracks while there were people out there with rifle shooting. So we
made arrangements to go up Sunday and we met him in town about twelve o'clock
on Sunday and he drove us up to the location. And the location is
up on a place called Lock Mountain, and it's about two and a half
miles from the last house before you leave the paved road and hit dirt gravel
to get up into the mountain. And this area borders right on a state
gamely and so we drove up, we parked the vehicles. You and I
conversed about this cliff, and we talked about it, and I think I
sent you the pictures of the original footprints, if I'm not mistaken, But
you said, hey, if you need anything, let me know. I'm
here, you know, if you need any help. And I was like,
I appreciate that. So we got on site and sure enough, three
of the four tracks were still there, and I was kind of sweating that
because it had rained Friday night into Saturday, and I was like, oh
man, we're not going to get up there in time to find these tracks.
But fortunately three of the four tracks, where they're one of the first
tracks leading to this mud puddle, got washed out. So I was amazed.
Measurements that measured fifteen inches long by across the ball of the foot,
by four across the heel of the foot. They were about an inch and
yeah, an inch and a half maybe two inches deep in the mud.
And there was a left right left track and I was like I got to
cast these, but as we spoke on the phone, I had never cast
tracks with that much water in them, and I didn't bring a turkey base
or I didn't have any way of getting the water out of the tracks.
But using your advice, I used some dental stone and we just made the
molding material a little thicker and we poured the casts, let them sit for
about an hour and a half, pulled them out, waited a day or
two for them to dry off, clean them up, and sure enough they
turned out to be pretty pretty good cast. I think they're the best cast
to ever have been taken in Pennsylvania. Well, I can say this for
as long as I've been doing this, and I've seen several tracks in the
ground and I've tried to cast them. These are the best tracks that I've
personally cast. It. They show, like you said, five toes,
a large, one large toe, four smaller toes, and they were splayed.
You could see clearly in the mud that they were splayed in different toe
positions. Yeah, they're probably the best casts that I've had the opportunity to
be able to make. Well, I can only think of a handful of
other casts from Pennsylvania anyway. I guess not a lot of people are putting
plaster in the ground out there. You were kind enough to give me one
that's in my collection. I've seen two or three others, but every time
I've seen a cast from Pennsylvania that looks good in any way, there was
only one of them, Only one single cast was retrieved. But you have
three from the same trackway, which is astounding, and it's in its own
right. It's a standalone feet to all those puns not intended. Actually,
it's a standalone feet to my knowledge, at least in Pennsylvania. Of course,
you're probably much more familiar with the data in Pennsylvania than I am,
but I'm not aware of any other trackway were multiple examples from that same track
weight had been retrieved. So, like I said, congratulations to you,
hats off fireworks a whole nine man, just you killed it. Those are
great. I did some research, and I know there have been sightings in
the area, but there hadn't really been anything recent. I think the most
recent sighting in that area was back in twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, but
it's probably about sixty miles from the Chestnutridge so it's not out of the realm
of possibility that there's creatures moving around, there's just not being reported or seen.
So there wasn't anything recent as far as sighting reports or encounters reported in
that area, at least to my knowledge. That might have as I mentioned,
other Bigfoot researchers may have gotten some information from that area, but that's
the first I'm aware of in the last couple of years. Yeah, it's
fantastic, and you know, that's a sign of a good spot when you
don't have anything in your database. But they're clearly there. Some of my
best spots there have never been reports out of period, but yet they're there.
I don't know how close you are to there, but that might be
a spot for you to start working. Yeah, we're planning on heading back
up to that area in the immediate future. I'm making plans with some of
the Pennsylvania big With Society members to kind of do some overnights and see what
we can come up with. It's public land, so we can go up
there. It's not a private area fortunately, So Yeah, we're definitely I'm
keeping my eyes on it and ears on it and staying in contact with the
witness who found the tracks initially, so that if he hears anything, or
anybody else in the area reports anything, I'll be sure to follow up on
it immediately. Fantastic, fantastic, Get your ear to the ground out in
that area. So you said Chestnut Ridge, of course is sixty miles away,
but there are other sasquatch reports, probably within twenty miles, wouldn't you
think, Oh, yeah, there have been, yeah, just unfortunately nothing
too recent. We've gotten some recent reports this year in northern Westmoreland County in
Indiana County, which is only about a forty five minute drive maybe forty fifty
miles away to the west. We've had recent reports from eyewitnesses that I've looked
into and investigated, but nothing in that particular area as of late. Like
I mentioned, I think twenty fifteen or sixteen, there was a sighting in
that area where the tracks were found, not in that particular same forest,
but close by within a couple of miles. So there is there as sightings
that are happening around the area, just not readily reporting. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these
messages so what are your plans for this area. You said you're gonna go
do a couple of campouts, but are you going to be employing an these
sort of interesting techniques you might be able to share with our listeners. Well,
we're going to do a couple of night time outings where we're gonna do
some calls and woodknocks. I'm going to be putting out some game cameras,
maybe fly a drone over the area to try to get a better look because
it's such a vast area and full of really deep valleys and ridges and really
steep mountains. It's part of the same Mountains train out there, but yeah,
there's a lot of forest out there that be covered and we're going to
try to do as much as we can. We only have a small team,
probably about five or six members that we can take out and split up
into teams, but we're going to do what we can. Deploy some game
cameras, got some thermal equipment we can use and try our luck with either
doing some vocalizations or broadcasting some calls and some woodennocks and see what we can
draw in. And of course I'm assuming walking the roads and river bottoms stuff
looking for footprints, because if you can find more footprints and identify this same
creature as it moves around, or better yet a different creature, that would
shed more lights on what's going on in that particular area, at least far
as the social aspect of bigfoot, the sasquatches there be, or maybe even
the population or you know, who knows, who knows, and you said,
these are about fifteen inches or fourteen inches, fifteen inches fifteen okay,
so that's right on the verge of maybe being a male, you know,
or a big old female. Most of the female are presumed female prints that
I'm running across, and I say presumed because we are often finding juveniles nearby,
juvenile sasquatch footprints nearby in at least two different locations. They tend to
be thirteen to fourteen inches, And I think that jibes pretty well with Henner's
data as well on that paper that he published, the size Scaling Statistics whatever
it's called, the sasquatch thing, And so I'm thinking these fifteen to sixteen
inches might be male. So it'd be interesting to plumb those depths a little
bit and see what we're dealing with here in this particular area. Yeah,
I'm hoping that when we get back up there and we're able to do some
overnights to see if we can find anything. I know, we did a
pretty thorough investigation of the surrounding area. We walked a good mile down the
ATV trail and I went off in the direction the tracks were going a good
couple hundred yards, and I didn't see any tree breaks. I didn't of
course, the grounds littered with leaves and fallen twigs and branches and stuff like
that, but I saw no other sign really to indicate if maybe the creature
turned it in a different way, or what its pathway was. We even
went the direction they came from, hoping we could find something coming up the
steep hollow, but we found no other signs. The ground was so dry
when we were there, with the exception of that mud puddle, and it
even rained, as I mentioned, on Friday night into Saturday. So I
was hoping we might be able to see something, but despite our efforts,
we couldn't find any other evidence. No. Obviously there must be a lot
of turkey in the area. The guys were scouting for turkey hunting, after
all, did you see any other obvious food sources. We did find some
berry brush that seemed to be just starting to grow with the leaves on them.
We did find deer tracks, and the gentleman Jeff, who went with
us and showed it's where the tracks were found, his son and his son's
best friend came along because they were interested in seeing the tracks too. While
they were out walking around the woods looking for any other sign, they were
doing turkey calls and we were getting turkey reply. So there was a lot
of turkey in that area obviously, and it seems to be a really good
food source of animals there. And as I mentioned, the last house we
had passed was two and a half miles away. There are some farms not
far from this area, maybe within a three mile three and a half mile
radius of where we found the tracks, so there's probably ample food there during
the harvest season's corn and them planting and stuff like that. So I'm convinced
there's a good, really good food source in that area of both animals and
plants. Fantastic, fantastic, really exciting stuff. And just a little tidbit
for people who think that bigfoot stuff is fairly rare, and it kind of
is it kind of is, but maybe not as where's you think? Because
that you cast these things on a Sunday. I was out on Sunday doing
my own footprint follow up and in different situation than I found five or six
footprints or four or five foot prints down there. And at the same time
over in Kentucky, Tom Shay was out and he was casting the Prince that
same day as well. So that was kind of a stellar day for bigfoot
all around. But you are by far the winner man taking away three gorgeous
gas like that. What a great accomplishment man, super stoked for you.
Congratulations on that. Now I know you cast other prints before. I think
you cast other Prince before. When and where were that did those things happen?
I had cast a series of tracks in the summer of twenty twenty two.
I got a phone call very early in the morning from a fly fisherman
who had gone down to a creek in Mount Pleasant Township on the Chestnut Ridge.
He was fly fishing and he found a series of tracks. They were
very small, probably ten eleven in long, maybe four and a half five
inches wide, but they were along this creek bank and they went to the
creek bank for I think there was maybe seven or eight of those tracks that
were found, and they were of different They weren't all uniform or they want
all like very similar. They were slides, and there was some going into
the creek and coming out of the creek, and you could see where there
were tracks left. But there was probably of those eight prints that we found,
maybe three or four of them looked really good that you could cast them.
And I happened to do a Facebook live just showing the tracks, and
Jeff Meldrum jumped on the Facebook live and was watching me, and I was
kind of blown away. I was like, I don't know if these are
human prints or if there's something else. It doesn't really make sense why somebody
would be walking. But Jeff jumped in and said, those are human prints,
no pressure, right, yeah, having the expert watching you what you're
doing. I'm like, I don't know, but we cast a few of
those. I think we cast four of the tracks, and they're not with
that they're within the range of human prints, so I can't rule that out.
And Jeff watching the video said they've looked human to him. So I
cast those In twenty twenty two, I still have those casts. They don't
look anything like the ones that I showed you in Ohio. Those were a
little more ambiguous, more questionable, So I just kind of put them aside,
you know, and if I have somebody able to look at them,
I show them make the determination of what they it might be. And in
twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen, some gentlemen had an experience in a little town
called Brownsville, Pennsylvania, where they were out target shooting and they had seen
some deer run up the hill near where their targets were set up, and
they were kind of surprised to see the deer run into the line of fire.
But the deer ran up the hilt and store looked at them, looked
back down the hill, and then bolted. And they went over to where
the deer came up, and they found a set of tracks coming in their
direction. So they called me and I went out looked at them. Those
tracks were about twelve thirteen inches long. They definitely had toes in them.
I could see the toes. We followed that series of tracks for almost a
mile mile and a half. But again these were ambiguous, They were very
questionable whether they might have been human or it might have been hoaxed. We
just we couldn't really determine because they were older tracks, they weren't fresh.
I tried casting some of those. Those didn't turn out real well because they
weren't really castable, but I figured I'd give it a shot. So,
as I mentioned, I've cast some tracks over the years, some have been
kind of questionable whether or not they were human or or sasquatch tracks it.
You know, I really haven't had a chance to show them to meldormore to
you, but these ones two weeks ago, I'm pretty confident what they are.
I know, Jeff looked at them and he said he was about seventy
five to eighty percent convinced that's what they are. So those are the best
by far of all the casts I've tried to make in the last five ten
years. I did have a conversation with Jeff about it after, you know,
after that day of all the events there at Ohio, and his only
concerns were the same things that I saw. But I think the things that
I saw, that the vertical line or yeah, the vertical walls and all
that sort of stuff, are easily explainable by the substrate in which it was
cast, and I think that's that's the most obvious answer there. I don't
see a way that they could be fake because of the horizontal toast playing the
differentiation from those two different prints. I'm pretty convinced that. I'm also pretty
convinced that they are real sasquatch of tracks and among a very rare kind,
which of course is a sasquatch from Pennsylvania. You know, it's fantastic.
In a few weeks here, I'm going to be going out to Pennsylvania for
a job in what Marionville or where am I going? You know better than
I do, because you know the area where am I going in Erica.
You're going to the Forest County Bigfoot Festival in Marionville, Pennsylvania. And that's
been going on now, I think for three four years, where the Forest
County, the County Commissioners, and the Forestreet Department, all that people get
behind it put this huge event on. And I haven't I haven't been to
one yet. I've researched in Marionville. I can tell you there's sightings there
in the Allegheny National Forest. You guys filmed an episode of Finding Bigfoot out
there in the Allegheny National Forest years ago. But the festival is a little
bit further to the south of where you guys filmed, and it's a nice
little event. I think it's taking place in June, if I'm not mistaken.
I think it's June eighth or ninth, whatever that weekend is. And
are you still planning on coming out in case anybody wants to come check out
those footprint casts? Are you going to be there? Yeah, I'm planning
to come up and see you, of course. And it's my first festival
up there that I've attended. I've spoken around it at other festivals in that
area, but this is the first one I've actually I haven't been to.
So I'm planning on coming up to see you and check out the festival.
And y'all have the cast with me to let anybody that wants to take a
look at them, They're welcome to take a gander. That'd be fantastic.
And you also have a festival or a conference or festival. It's more of
a festival, right That was a camp out really that you do. And
you have some other things you want to share with us about some stet that's
coming up. What do you want to let our listeners know? Yeah,
if you wouldn't mind, I have. This is our fourth annual Pennsylvania Bigfoot
Camping Adventure coming up in September of this year. The dates are the sixth
and the seventh, and it's a charity fundraiser event. But back in twenty
fourteen, I decided, you know, there's a lot of conferences going on
that are indoor. There weren't many outdoor festivals, so I thought I'd try
to put something together where it would not only be a festival, but people
that were interested in doing sasquatch research or wanted to learn more about it could
come out here. Guest speakers get their hands on doing workshops, learning how
to cast, learning how to take measurements, what kind of equipment to use
when researching, tools to use that sort of thing, and you to give
the people a chance to even go out on night hikes with us. We'd
take them into the state forest state Gamelanes, not far from the campground,
so they'd have a chance to experience what it would be like going out and
doing bigfoot research. And very successful, and we moved from twenty sixteen twenty
seventeen, twenty nineteen. You were there as a guest, so you attended.
You saw the kind of festival it is, and people just have a
chance to come out and meet other researchers, people that have been in this
a long time. Here some of the cases that are going on in the
area, the sightings, the reports, see some evidence, get hands on
workshops, go on night hikes with us looking for the creature because there have
been plenty of sightings around the area, and all the proceeds benefit local charities.
We donate to a couple of local charities and give back to community.
Yeah, the nineteen event was a lot of fun. Actually, that was
most remarkably. That was my first exposure to the Mountain Monster folks. Those
guys are Yeah. I was gonna say, man, I'm gonna be in
the booth next to these guys, these actors, you know, and I
was all like, man, these actors doing damage to the subject, blah
blah blah. And then I saw them and I go, oh my god.
First of all, they're not acting. That's probably the probably the weirdest
thing about the whole thing is they're not acting at all. And then I
saw how they treat each individual person and all the children coming up, and
you know, they're saying a happy birthday to kids and all day long,
and I say, oh, I just fell in love with those guys.
Over the next day and it's like we've been very good friends ever since.
Every time I see those guys, they put a big old smile on my
face, and I realized, Yeah, that's what they're for, that's their
purpose, that's what that's what all this is about, putting a big old
smile on your face and having some fun. And I don't think anybody exemplifies
that more than the Mountain Monster folks, even if I think their show is
ridiculous, don't get me wrong. You know, I don't think squatches are
a thing or whatever they're chasing the sheep squatch or whatever it is, you
know, but man, they are just solid dudes. And if for no
other reason, I'm so thankful I got to do that event just because I
met them. Have you have you gone out in the woods of those guys,
man, I've actually become really good friends with those guys. I keep
in touch with Huckleberry and Jeff and Willie, and I've run into wild Bill
at several events. Always he's a character. It seems like wild Bill's a
kind of guy to run into you though. You know, yeah, he's
found me at several events, I should say. But those guys are great.
They're solid of the earth. They're they're really down to earth people.
They're a lot of fun and they give back to their fans. Like you
said, they love the kids. They're very warm and welcoming, just like
you are. You guys are I mean, you love your fans and you
embrace everybody that comes up to you. That's what this event is about,
is you know, people get the chance to not only here Bigfoot researchers and
do the hands on they get to meet people that have been on television or
some other idols. We had Jeff Meldrum there the year you were with us
and Ken Gerhard and they get a chance to meet you guys and see that
you guys are just average guys like you know everybody else and very welcoming,
very hospitable. And you know, that's why we keep doing it, is
because it's fun to do. People get a chance to meet people they've seen
on TV or can learn from ask questions, you know, get to meet
them, get to know them, and it's all about friendship. We all
become good friends and we keep in touch here after year. That's fantastic.
And you know, I know, the lovely and talented Matt pro will put
it in the show notes and all that jazz. But why don't you tell
the people who are driving and you can't write anything down right now where they
can find out more information or maybe even get ahold of you, learn a
little bit bit more about what you're doing. Yeah. Absolutely. The website
for the event is PA for Pennsylvania PA Bigfoot Campingadventure dot com. All the
informations on their speakers, who's going to be their tickets, all that information
you can find there. They can get a hold of me by our website,
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society's website, which is just PA Bigfoot dot com. And
I have my own website which I haven't updated forever, but it's Eric Altman
dot net and you can get a hold of me through that. We're on
social media. I'm available and there's there's a lot of ways to get in
touch with me. Hey, your PBS. That was my favorite T shirt
for for years and years. I had a couple of my warm out.
Well, if we get in touch after the show, Bobo, I'll get
you a brand new logo T shirt that we've coved with so YouTube. Cliff,
I know you're not a big T shirt guy. I prefer to go
shirtless. Yeah. Hey, Eric, I don't know. You have time
to come hang out with us and the member section and we can talk about
the Ohio conference and some other cool stuff. Absolutely, oh fantastic. Yeah,
we'll stretch this down. Let's stretch this one out to a you know,
a member episode two for our members and we'll get down to the nitty
gritty, do some re capping of the Ohio conference with Matt Preud who is
also there. And yeah, so yeah, why do we do that?
And Eric, thank you so much for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond. I
apologize for waiting so long to have you on. I thought you had already
been on, but that's that's my scrambled brain. So fantastic to have you
on. Great conversation as always. Just love you to death, man,
Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks Eric, thanks for having me on.
Guys, it's always great to talk to you. And we got to
keep in touch more than we do. Absolutely, all right, so you
just hold hold tight there, Eric and Boba's going to take us out of
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