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Question Today and listening watching always keep
its watching. And now your hosts Cliff

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Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello, beautiful Bobo. How you doing man?

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Excellent? How are you not bad? Not bad? It's a good

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day because of our guests. But
before we get to our guests, what's

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been up with you? Man?
Oh? Well, I remember I told

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you what my buddy was selling his
part of his company. He was buying

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that ranch that was in like one
hundred thousand acres closed acres behind three lockdates.

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Yeah, I remember something about that. Yeah, well he's put it

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under a contract. I went up
there a couple of days ago and check

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it out when I with the owner
and saw the whole property, and I

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went up and scouted it for him
and just saidude, you want it.

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It's so it's such a bitch in
place to the house and everything. It's

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it's beautiful, it's it's remote.
So yeah, so I got the escrow.

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It's a forty five day escrow.
And so then yeah, about six

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weeks. I'll have run of the
place, access to a private bigfooting oasis.

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Huh yeah. Yeah. The only
problem is is that where his place

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is, it's it's like dead in
the middle, and it's a few miles

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either way to to the squatchy spots, and like there's no reason they would

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be coming to this guy's place.
But he's bringing in a bunch of animals.

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He's gonna put in a big h
you know, he's gonna buy like

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as mature of a you know,
fruit uese as you can, butch like

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you know, he's not waiting for
years and years for production, you know,

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to get start getting fruit. And
then there's already big organic gardens in

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there, and uh yeah, so
he's gonna get you know, he's gonna

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have his daughter's horses. I think
there's gon be three horses. He's building

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a corral and a not a riding
right now, but just allance and barn

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and stables, then chicken coops and
probably some goats and then a big garden,

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fruit trees and all that. So
hopefully it starts bringing some squashes around

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there. And I can I can
do it, he said, I got

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free right on it. They can
bring my friends or do expeditions there or

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whatever. But I was like,
oh, yeah, yeah. Then when

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I was there a couple of days
ago, I was like, yeah,

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it's And I was talking to the
owners and the neighbors said they've that,

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well, the neighbors are a couple
miles away, so that they've they've had

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suspicions of them. They haven't seen
any, but they've you know, this

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all the activity they've had. They
said, it's rare. Though. I

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thought, like, we hear these
starts, like, oh they're they're here,

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you know, we hear stuff all
the time. But that wasn't the

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case. And I was shocked because
you know, all around it it's good,

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but there's really good drainages a couple
miles in their direction that are much

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more like you know, I'm sure
they're in there all the time. You

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know. Well, hopefully, you
know, i'd love to see the property.

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I'll probably be down there this fall, maybe late summer falls, so

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hit you up of course, and
see what's going on with it. Then

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hopefully that works out and you have
your private little you know, big foot

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shager a lot back in there that
you can have access to. Me nice

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have a secure piece of land no
one else really has access to where you

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can kind of keep your thumb on
top of the action. Yeah, and

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he's gonna let me. There's a
couple of actually little cabins on the Property's

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giving me one to use it like
whenever. You know, it's just mine

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to use whenever. I'll have one
of the only keys to get in there.

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And then everybuddy's Sam from a Type
four sever one podcast and I was

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didn't work on the movies with Yeah. Yeah, he lives closer there,

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so he's gonna be like the fill
in. Well if if he needs a

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caretaker, I'll if I can work
it, I'll go over there and do

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it. And if not, like
it was just for like a day because

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it's a long drive for me.
Sam will be the fill in guy.

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So then he'll be he'll be there
because you know, take care of the

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animals and stuff. So Sam will
be out there fairly off so he's all

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about it. He'll be all over
it, you know, paying attention to

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the guy who's buying it. My
buddy's buying it. He's a big time

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hunter and you know he's he's alert
to what's going on. So he's he's

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all about, you know, trying
to film him and stuff. So he's

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gonna get some uh you know,
recording equipment, some thermal you know,

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pan in tilts around the property and
stuff like that, and you know he

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wants to try to get him on
film. Well good good, it's nice

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out. The cooperation of owners so
perfect. Yeah. Yeah, I stopped

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a bluff on the way back.
I just took it. I went up

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bluff and checked out a couple of
spots, and then I went up to

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see where the snow line was,
because we do. We'd have the biggest

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storm of the winter in the first
week of May, dumped a bunch of

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more snow and you get it.
Was to say, you know, it's

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that typical spot when you get up
there. I thought it was gonna be

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further down the snow line, but
it was up like a I guess it's

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like the fourteen thirteen or fourteen mile
mark and about forty that spot between like

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forty three hundred and forty four hundred
feet where it always kind of stays till

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late in the year. Yeah,
there's usually patches up there even when I

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get up there, like if I
get up it early enough. So yeah,

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because that Usually when that clears,
it's still, you know, weeks

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until the shaded spots clear on the
on the north side on twelve and thirteen.

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Yeah, it's a pretty dicey area. Man. It's wild out there

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and anything goes. So it's gonna
be interesting to see what's left after the

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fires. I know the PG site
itself was spared, but I think Laired

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Meadows gone. I could be wrong, but I'd like to I'd like to

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see it for myself. The fire
guys made the line one hundred yards.

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It came within a hundred within one
hundred yards on one side, one hundred

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fifty yards on the other of the
site, and they they put the liner

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and they saved the PG film site. Like they specifically they said they they

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got they got word. I don't
know if it was Kip Moral or what,

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but they got a thing saying that's
the game of the exact GPS cordus.

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They said, that's where the PG
film site is. Save it.

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And then they put a crew down
in there and they saved it. Oh

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gosh, that's that's awesome. Yeah. Well shoot, yeah, so it

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sounds like you've been busy, got
some stuff going on. I was at

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the Ohio conference. But I think
we just save that for the UH for

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the members episode today because as our
guest we'll introduce in just a moment was

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also at the Ohio conference, so
I think we can have a good discussion

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about some of the stuff that happened
there. But before we jump into our

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guests here, I'm excited to introduce
him in a moment, I want to

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So, without much further to do,

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I want to reiterate that it is
indeed a good day today because any day

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with Eric Altman and it is a
good good day. And we have Eric

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on the line with us, a
long time friend of ours, great big

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for researchers, been in the game
for quite a while. So Eric,

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thank you so much for coming on
Bigfoot and Beyond. We really appreciate it.

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How you doing today, man,
I'm good and it's about time.

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Eric and Bobo. How you doing, brother? I was just thinking you're

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one of the few East Coast bigfooters
I knew before the show started doing Fun

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and Bigfoot because you came out to
the two thousand and seven fortieth anniversary for

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the PG film. Yeah, that's
where I met you, both, Cliff

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and you James. Yeah. Absolutely, it was a great time. Hotly,

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I don't remember you being there.
I don't remember much about the event

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anyway, but I holy smoked,
I didn't know you were there. That's

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awesome. Yeah, him and Dave
McCollough came out from the East. We

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had two East Coasters there. Yeah. I actually came out with Tim Cassidy

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and we met Diane Stalking out there
and we stayed in the same hotel out

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in Humboldt, and we came to
the event and That's that's where I first

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met Bobo. I'll never forget it
because those doors swung open and here comes

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Bobo with a pickup truck back to
the front door and back doors, and

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he was unloading some I think kegs
of beer, right yeah, Bluff Creek

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Palel from six Hers Brewery. Yeah, he was late, but at least

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this time he had a good reason
for it. It actually brought kegs to

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the event. So it's perfect.
About Stevie Woo or Hawaii attendee, I

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remember that guy. Yeah, we
took him out the bluff. Was it

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We got to Bluff right after that
or did that? Yeah? Yeah,

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yeah, we camped out Bluff and
it was like the coldest night ever for

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that date. It was like twenty
six degrees and there was like a little

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north wind, so it was even
colder. Yeah, And you know,

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the Stevie was great because he had
never been off the islands of Hawaii before.

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He had never left the islands,
and so the first place he goes

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as Humboldt, it's cold, and
there's trees and there's mountains like he'd never

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seen. I remember, he was
tripping just hard on everything he observed out

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there. Eric Was that your first
trip to the West coast. Yeah,

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it was actually because of the PG
film the anniversary, I wanted to come

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out and that's my first time visiting
Willow Creek. And Tim and I made

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the truck up to Oregon to I
think it was called Pacific City and we

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were supposed to meet Peter Burn up
there, but unfortunately that didn't work out.

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And then we came down through Happy
Camp Bluff Creek and then ended up

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back in Willow Creek. We went
over to the big Foot Books Store,

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had dinner with Danny Perez. It
was a great weekend. Man, it

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was like a bucket list weekend.
You know, you're an old timer when

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you referred to him as Danny Perez. You know I still call him that.

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Yeah, Well he doesn't like it, you know, he likes Daniel.

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Of course. Now I trying to
call him Daniel. I mean,

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it's just when I'm talking. When
I'm talking to him, I say Daniel

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as much as I can. But
when I'm just talking, I'm like,

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oh, Danny Perez. You know, if I'm thinking about something, yeah,

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yeah, you can always tell who's
been in it for a while.

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But who does that? You know, He's quick to correct you. It's

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Daniel, Yes, Daniel. I
just actually after the last couple of nights

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up there in Bluff. Oh nice, just got back to there. Very

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cool, very cool. Eric.
Did you spend much time in the woods

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when you're right here? I mean
that sounds like you're all over the place,

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But where you just mostly riving or
did you get some camping in or

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what were you doing out here then? Besides the anniversary celebration. Yeah,

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we hit a couple places. We
got some places to go from Steve Stroyfert

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and I reached out to Bob Morgan
because he'd spent a lot of time out

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there, and Robert Morgan gave us
some places to go check out some campsites.

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We didn't camp while we were there, but we got to drive around.

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And if you remember, Bobo,
while we were up there, I

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think we ran into you at night
we came down off the mountain and I

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think Bruce was driving the SUV and
had his high beams on and blinded you

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guys. I don't remember, but
that tries me. I get snappy if

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someone does that. I'm surprised you
didn't end up with the windshield full of

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pennies or something like that. Bobo
has been known to chuck stuff like that

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out the window and he's pissed.
Yeah, we were just driving around some

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back roads, trying to explore a
little bit, and Bobo had a group

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out and we come down the mountain
and we turned a corner and they were

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standing on the road and Bruce had
his high beams on him, like,

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dude, you're blind in them.
So Bruce turned them off and Bobo yelled

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us nothing like little Bobo, shame, Welcome to California. Well, it's

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like you don't you don't hire the
people that you don't drive fast past a

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camp, kick up a dust cloud
or a house or a cabin, you

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know, or people walking. You
just you don't dust them and you don't

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hide. You like the two rules. Well there's more than two rules,

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but you know the number one rules. Everybody has a good time. That's

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what I think I noticed about you
a long time ago, Bobo, is

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that you're like the good time police. As long as everybody's cool and chill

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and there's no problem. But if
one person it makes anybody else, you

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know, kind of frown, you're
gonna get on them and somebody could get

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punched if they push it hard enough. Not unless it's funny, then it's

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just some of the problems. It's
fine, fair enough. Well, Eric,

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we've referred to you as an old
timer, I suppose, with the

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other two old men on this podcast, and of course then young and snippy

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Matt Prut. But how long have
you been doing this thing? Because our

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listeners, because you know, so
many of our listeners are new. In

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fact, so many people in the
bigfoot community are new. They only came

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into the subject with Finding Bigfoot or
something, and that's less than ten years

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ago. More than ten you've been
I'm older all the time, but you've

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been doing this for a long time. So tell us about how your journey

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through this Who Squatch Them? Started? Well, growing up as a kid,

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I was a big fan of all
the bee horror films, and in

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the late seventies, of course,
there was In Search of with Leonard Nimoy.

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I was a huge fan of that
show, and I got really turned

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onto the whole Bigfoot scene with Legend
of Boggy Creek and Creature from Black Lake,

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and I was just floored that there
might be a possibility of an upright

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walking biped out there in the forest, so I wanted to learn more.

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I went to my library around the
age of ten and was shocked to find

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out that there were newspaper articles about
sightings in my hometown of Greensburg, Pennsylvania

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in the nineteen seventies. And I
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it was also a research in my
hometown by the name of Stan Gordon.

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He would put on displays at the
local mall during the summer months. He'd

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have a weekend where he had UFO
pictures and UFO evidence and newspaper articles and

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bigfoot cast bigfoot prints and photographs,
reports and stuff like that. So,

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as a young kid like eleven,
twelve, thirteen years old, I would

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go to the malls and I would
just harass him all weekend long, asking

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him questions one after another. Tell
me about this case, or tell me

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about this cast, or tell me
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He became my mentor, and from
the age of thirteen, I started

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to educate myself, reading as many
books as I could, studying the subject

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matter. I went to college,
kind of put her on the back burner

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for a couple of years so I
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graduated, started getting back into the
Bigfoot stuff slowly, and I guess it

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was back in nineteen ninety six,
ninety five, I moved to eastern Ohio

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with my wife if we were engaged
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the library there and as you guys
know it, back in the mid nineteen

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nineties, the Internet was just started
to come into light, and I started

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finding these bigfoot websites. They were
really amateurish and really not a lot of

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detail, but there was enough there
to let me know that there were sightings

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going on in eastern Ohio. So
I started driving around eastern Ohio, probably

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around the age of twenty five twenty
six, just looking into it. Moved

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back to Pennsylvania in ninety seven and
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I was one of the first members
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short lived at that time, unfortunately, But I found there were some other

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researchers in Pennsylvania doing their own thing, and I began investigating cases, talking

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to eyewitnesses, going out in the
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and I've been doing it ever since. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

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with Cliff and Bogo, we'll be
right back after these messages. And in

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all that time, have you put
your eyes on one yet. I have

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seen some things in the forest that
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I can't definitively say it was a
squatch. I've seen eyeshine about nine and

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a half feet up in the air, and some high brush. I've seen

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On one occasion in Ohio at Salt
Fork, I saw something hit the handicapped

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picnic area in two thousand and eight
in my high beams. I saw,

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for maybe three four seconds just kind
of stand up for me behind a bush,

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and I was shocked. I was
like, what the heck was that?

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I was out there with Mike Feltner. It was in October of two

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thousand and eight and I had gone
out to meet Don Keating. He was

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having his Tri State Bigfoot study group, and Mike Feldner and I decided to

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go out into the park after the
meeting was over, and we hit Hozak's

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Cave, we hit the handicap picnic
area, and we just went to a

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couple different places cave. About three
in the morning, we heard some real

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high pitched howls, real long howls
come off the hillside in the direction of

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the handicap picnic area, and we
were kind of blown away because we weren't

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expecting anything. So we decided to
go back to the handicap picnic area and

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check it out. And when we
arrived, I pulled my vehicle in behind

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the big pavilion there with the headlights
hitting out into the open area, and

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we walked maybe fifty to seventy five
feet into the picnic area behind the pavilion

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and we had a rock thrown at
us and Mike saw it. He saw

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it hit the ground and bounce.
I heard it, and it freaked Mike

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out. He wasn't expecting it,
so he took off back to the car

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and he's yelling at me to get
back to the car. He wanted to

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leave, and I'm like, this
is what we're here for, but he

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wanted to go, So I went
back to the car. I got in

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the car and proceeded to back the
car up, and as I did,

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my high beams went a cross this
brush on the right side of that open

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field area there where the picnic tables
are, and I saw something stand up

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just behind that brush and it didn't
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It went straight up and I got
a bluish white eyeshine reflect for just a

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second or two, and I was
shocked. I was like, what was

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that? And I jumped out of
my car with a spotlight and whatever was

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there was gone. The next day, I come up in the morning real

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early. I checked the area out. The whole area behind that brush was

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all trampled down, like something was
walking around. There were woodknocks coming from

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down the hill in the wooded area. I went to check it out,

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but I could never find the source, So I don't know what it was.

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It happened so quick it could have
been something, but I didn't get

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a really good looking at it to
say exactly what it was. It just

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something stood up with an eye shine
return and it was gone. Sounds like

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a definite maybe to me, that's
awesome. You know, a whole lot

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of definitely babies up to probably.
Yeah, that's a math's for you,

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yeah, rad Rad. Now,
so looking back in your bigfooting career has

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been quite a while now, I
mean, holy smoke's like thirty years or

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something. I'd give or take what
sets people like. Frankly, like all

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of everybody on the line right now, all of us, all four of

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us listening, Bobo and I and
you and pro It and stuff. What

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sets us kind of aside is our
longevity. And to be in this particular

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game for so long. It's kind
of hard because so little happens. I

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mean literally, like a year can
go by and you don't even hear of

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vocalization and you're going out and stuff. It's kind of hard to keep going.

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So what cases back in the beginning
of your big footing career really kept

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you going, Like Kenna kind of
teased you enough to really stick it out?

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Or are you just a stubborn kind
of guy or both? I think

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kind of both. When I first
got into this, like I said,

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there was a long history before I
started researching in my area. And what

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I would do is drive around to
these historical spots where there were sightings and

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try to put myself in the witnesses
shoes, or I'd try to hunt down

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the witness if their name was available. And in one particular case, there

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was a gentleman by the name of
Sam Sherry, and he lived in the

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Chestnut Ridge, a little town called
Wilpin, Pennsylvania, and he had a

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small two room house he and his
wife. Elderly gentleman, probably in his

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seventies when I met him, But
in the mid nineteen eighties he had a

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really close encounter if the spill wave
a place called Sleepy Hollow just outside of

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Ligandiar, Pennsylvania, and the night
he went out and had his experience,

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it was in nineteen eighty eight.
He went out that night to do some

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night fishing. He parked his vehicle
at the Poland area right along the spillway,

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and it's the Loyal Hannah Creek that
runs through that area. And while

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he's out there fishing, he was
just getting set up to start, he

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heard some noise off on his left
on the embankment of the Loyal Hannah Creek,

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and he looked over and he couldn't
see anything at first, but he

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heard something moving around and he got
a flashlight and shined his flashlight over there

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in the direction of the noise,
and he saw this figure that was standing

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there, and at first he thought
it was a person, but it slowly

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started moving towards him and he could
see it was an upright, long armed,

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well below the knees creature. If
you want to call it that,

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and it was coming towards him,
and by this time he was a little

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freaked out. He turned around,
went back to his vehicle and he said,

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this thing was right up against his
vehicle. He had his window down

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because it was in the summer,
and this thing stuck its head inside the

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vehicle and was face to face with
him. Ooh, And he said the

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breath was so horrible. It smelled
like rotten fish. And as this thing

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was breathing, it was spitting and
slobbering all over his face. It had

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his hands down on his windowsill push
the car down as he was trying to

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back up, and he finally yelled
at it. It stood a kind of

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shocked, stepped back. He was
able to back the vehicle off and drive

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off, and he had passed information
onto a couple of local researchers who investigated,

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took his report, went to the
site. And when I read this

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case, I had to meet Sam
and I met him and probably about ten

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years after he had his sighting in
nineteen ninety eight, and became good friends

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with him and his wife, and
he would take me to the location.

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He showed me exactly where everything happened. He recounted his story so many times

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I could tell it in my sleep. He seemed very credible, just really

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no reason to make it up.
And his sighting was probably one of the

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first that really got me inspired to
start really looking into this seriously. And

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from that point forward I started going
out in the Chestnut Ridge with him and

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other researchers, and there was so
many cases over the years that always had

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an air of truth to it.
The witnesses seemed credible, there was some

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circumstantial evidence recovered, whether it be
footprints or audio recordings, or something that

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happened to them that they were able
to recount. That really kept me motivated

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to continue to look. Because you're
absolutely right, Cliff, there are sometimes

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we'll go through a dry spell where
nothing happens, there's no audio sounds,

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there's no footprints found, there's a
shortage of cases going on a drought,

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if you will, and then boom, you get a case that really just

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captures you, draws you, sucks
you in and you've got to get back

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out there and here you go again. How traumatized does that dude? From

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that event he became obsessed, not
necessarily traumatized, where he was shaken up.

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No, when I met him,
he was so obsessed. He started

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a little group that was just him
and a couple other guys. They called

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it the Chestnut Ridge Bigfoot out Post
or Bigfoot Center. And he was determined

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to capture one of these things.
He had huge snares made up, and

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he would put the snares out in
the forest and bait trout and buckets and

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hang the buckets up on the tree
and put the snare down at the base

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of the tree. He was so
determined to capture one of these things to

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prove it to everybody else, And
he became more obsessed than he was traumatized.

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But he became also in the same
sense. He would tell anybody who

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would listen to him. He became
a pretty well known celebrity in his little

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village or little town that he lived
in. Now, all this happened on

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Chestnut Ridge, and boy, I'll
tell you what a story that is.

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I don't think I've ever heard anything
quite like that. Fantastic report. So

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of course you'd probably want to keep
chasing that. Is that something that you

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wanted to have happen to you though, or is that just like, like

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I want that to happen. That'd
be horrifying if something stuck its head in

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like that. But Chestnut Ridge,
Man, that's kind of on everybody's radar

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in Pennsylvania now, probably largely because
of the small Town Monster of documentary that

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was made around it. But you
were out there for quite a while before.

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Was it you who pointed Seth and
the guys and gals out that direction

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or did they come through it,
come to that location through maybe Stan Gordon

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or something like that. Yeah,
Seth started following Stan's work, and that's

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how we learned about my work,
because Stan and I worked very closely together.

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And Seth came out and in twenty
seventeen he filmed the documentary Invasion on

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Chestnut Ridge, where he documented all
the Sasquatch activity along with other weird anomalies

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going on, the UFO sightings and
other strange phenomenon. And yeah, it's

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really captured attention from a lot of
people, not just in Pennsylvania but outside

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the state as well. People are
really starting to look into the area because

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it's got a long history hundreds of
years going back of I have newspaper articles

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going back hundreds of years where it
documents people's experiences with sasquatch or other strange

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anomalies like I said, UFOs or
other cryptid creatures. So it's got a

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long history and people just have really
seemed to capture everybody's attention. Now everybody

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wants to go up to the Chestnut
Ridge. Is it blown out now because

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of that or is their still activity? It was blown out when we went

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there. I remember we were out
That's the one spot where at night where

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we ran into multiple groups of other
big foot hunters. I was camping on

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that trip, I do. It's
pretty pretty remote nonetheless, though, yeah,

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we run in it. We run
in two different groups knocking and howling

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that were like they worked together and
we didn't, and they didn't know we

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were gonna be out there. It
was it was that's the one time that

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happened. Yeah, there are several
groups now that do research in the area.

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The group that I go out with, I go out with a small

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three or four group people group out
in the woods and we don't tell anybody

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where we're going. We don't announce
where our research areas are. We keep

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them to ourselves because we don't want
to spoil them. But there's a lot

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of areas that have gotten out publicly, that are just blown out. So

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you have to be real careful if
you go out to those areas to not

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be fooled by the other researchers out
there who are knocking and howling and making

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noise. And how do you deal
with that? How do you grapple with

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that possibility that there might other people, might be other people out there?

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Because that comes up a lot with
us. A lot of our patrons ask

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us that question on our q and
as and whatever. How can you be

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sure that it's not another group of
bigfooters? And we go through our rigmarow

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about. You know, I drive
all the roads in my area to make

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sure no one's camping nearby, and
you know all the precautions that we take.

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What do you do out there in
Pennsylvania? And I think it's an

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important answer here because out in the
west where we're doing our stuff, there's

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a lot of private land, and
Pennsylvania does also have a lot of private

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land. But I don't know if
there's are there national forests down there Chestnut

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Ridge, how would you deal with
that down there? Yeah, there's the

408
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:08.920
Forbes State Forest in the It covers
most of the Chestnut Ridge, the Laurel

409
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:11.440
Valley, the Laurel Highlands, if
you want to call them that, where

410
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.480
there's the Laurel Ridge and the Chestnut
Ridge, and we try to stick to

411
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:22.359
places that are off the beaten path
to try to avoid other researchers because,

412
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.319
as I said, work gets out
where there's been a sighting or there's been

413
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:29.880
activity, and everybody flocks to it. So we know that you know they're

414
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.680
probably going to beat people there.
And the nights that we've gone out,

415
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.640
we've done what you've done. We've
drive driven roads, we've driven around,

416
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.240
we've hiked in the woods before dark
to see if anybody's out there camping.

417
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.920
We watch for headlights coming into the
area we're in. We watch for flashlights,

418
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.400
stuff like that, and even if
we hear sounds, we're suspicious of

419
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.000
them because we don't know for sure
if it's another group out there, another

420
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.599
researcher, or if it's the real
thing. So we try to be as

421
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.359
cautious as we can, but unfortunately
you can't cover all the bases even though

422
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.759
you tried. Somebody might sneak up
in the woods and you don't know they're

423
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.039
there. But we do the best
that we can to try to prevent oversaturation

424
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.240
and running into other groups out there
who were doing the same thing we are.

425
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.359
Yeah, there's only so much you
can do at the end of the

426
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.480
day. So so in the introduction
before we brought you on, I was

427
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.880
commenting to Bobo about how I just
got back from the Ohio Bigfoot Conference,

428
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.480
and you have a long history with
the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, dating back to

429
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:32.799
before it was even called the Ohio
Bigfoot Conference. So I know that for

430
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.599
me, at least when I started
bigfooting, I did most of it alone.

431
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.880
I'm a quiet introvert. I'm kind
of a loner in a lot of

432
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.440
ways. I spent the first you
know, six eight ten years of me

433
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.160
doing bigfoot stuff on my own,
and when I started reaching out to other

434
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:51.279
people and networking, it had helped
a lot. What was the Ohio Conference

435
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:56.759
in its natal form, I guess
some of the earlier attempts at you're networking

436
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.559
back in the day, or were
you brought there by other people, and

437
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.279
maybe talk about some of those early
events with Don keating and whatnot. Sure,

438
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.240
Like I mentioned when I first got
back into it after college, I

439
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:17.240
was living in eastern Ohio and I
found at the Newton Falls Library in Ohio.

440
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.559
I found there were some websites out
there, and one of the websites

441
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.799
was Don Keating's website, and he
had an advertisement for what was called the

442
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:30.799
Annual Bigfoot Conference taking place in Newcomerstown, Ohio, and I started following it.

443
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.920
I thought that'd be kind of cool. I don't know anybody really in

444
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.440
Bigfoot, and I had been in
contact with a couple people online, just

445
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:42.640
through emails and correspondents, but I
didn't really know anybody in Ohio. I

446
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:47.000
thought, maybe this is a great
way to meet some people and talk with

447
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:53.079
people. So I traveled over to
Newcomers Town and Dawn had his event at

448
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.480
a middle school, the Newcomers Town
Middle School, and it was in the

449
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:03.240
gymnasium I remember correctly. The first
event I went to. I think ray

450
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:08.599
Crow was there, Smoky Crabtree,
Laurene Coleman, some of the big names

451
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.880
in the field were there. And
I had met Don for the first time,

452
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.960
and I told Don at that time, I said, you know,

453
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.359
I'm fascinated by this. I want
to get involved, but I don't know

454
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.559
what to do. And Don told
me right out, he said, there's

455
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.920
really only a couple guys in Pennsylvania
that are doing research. Why don't you

456
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.200
just try to put network with people
over there and just start doing it,

457
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.480
Just start going out and looking.
And that's what I ended up doing.

458
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.000
But the Ohio or the Annual Bigfoot
Conference that I should call it, really

459
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:45.720
kind of helped me start networking with
other people that were interested in it,

460
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.240
and I got to meet, like
I said, some of the legends in

461
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:53.119
the field at that time. I
got to know Don pretty well. I

462
00:30:53.160 --> 00:31:00.680
continue to attend the Annual Bigfoot Conference
gosh, from to nineteen ninety six,

463
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.440
ninety seven, all the way up
to twenty fourteen. Then I took a

464
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.599
break off from conferences for a year. But now I'm back to going out

465
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.880
to the Ohio big Foot Conferences that
it's called now when Mark Dworth took it

466
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.319
over. But yeah, I've I've
been a long time attendee of that.

467
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:22.799
I've networked with hundreds of other researchers
from all across the country and from other

468
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.400
countries as well. You know Thomas
Steinberg, I had a great opportunity to

469
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:32.000
meet him at the Annual Bigfoot Conference, Gosh, so many big names.

470
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.359
I had a chance to actually sit
down and talk to at the Denny's diner,

471
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.119
you know, and just have an
hour conversation with them and pick their

472
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:45.000
brain and ask them questions, you
know. And they were so helpful and

473
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.359
influential and helping me to move forward
with my research, because, like I

474
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.599
said, at that time, there
really was only a couple of guys in

475
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.599
Pennsylvania, and I had no idea
what I was doing. But this was

476
00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.279
a great networking opportunity and a great
chance to sit down with some of the

477
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.720
the guys who had been in this
far far longer than that I was,

478
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.599
and just ask them what do you
do in this situation, or how do

479
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.279
you handle this, or what do
you do when you come across tracks?

480
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.680
How do you make casts? And
that sort of thing, And they were

481
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.960
able to provide some great insight and
some great advice. Stay tuned for more

482
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.200
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.

483
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.839
Well, yeah, of course,
speaking of casts, that's you got

484
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:37.400
some amazing, amazing evidence recently in
the form of footprint casts, and we'll

485
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.440
get to that in just a moment. You can tell us how that transpired.

486
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.480
But it was actually when I saw
the photographs of these things. I

487
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.759
was thinking, Man, that's great. You know, maybe we should have

488
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.960
Eric back on the podcast again.
And I mentioned the pru It and he

489
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.119
goes, I don't think we've had
them on, dude. I was thinking

490
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.519
about our original guest list we had, like we put down like twenty five

491
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.160
names, what it was thirty names, and he's one of the like him

492
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:00.839
and Derek Raveles, and there's a
couple guys we had although we still haven't

493
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.640
had on you the first season.
I thought then. I was looking at

494
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.880
the list, I was like,
God, we still haven't had Eric all.

495
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:09.279
But we've said it like one hundred
times. We got to call Eric.

496
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.599
Yeah, yeah. I put that
in a text to Eric actually a

497
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.200
little while ago. I'm gonna pull
it up real fast. I thought it

498
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.559
was. His response was pretty funny. Oh yeah, I said, Hey,

499
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.279
want to come on the podcast and
talk about tracks along with all the

500
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.440
other cool stuff you've done for decades. I can't believe we haven't had you

501
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.880
on yet. And Eric's response was
I'd be honored. I can't believe you

502
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.440
haven't on me on. Haven't had
me on either. It was an oversight,

503
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.799
Please forgive us. No I know, I thought you'd already been on.

504
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.559
You know. It's all good man, and in my feeble defense.

505
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.160
So there are people that we've had
on that I can't remember speaking to.

506
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.880
Like you told me, you said
you tend to forget a lot of stuff,

507
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.039
so I only have so much ram
you know. So yeah. But

508
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.079
so these footprint casts, I got
to see them in person. You brought

509
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.920
them to the Ohio conference and pop
them on my table there. I'm very

510
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:06.599
impressed with them. They're very good. They are clearly either real Sasquatch footprints

511
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.280
or very very good fakes. But
the things that are about them that made

512
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.199
that even can make me considered that
there's a slight possibility of them being fakes.

513
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:19.920
Can be explained very readily by supersaturated
soil. Because it was a very

514
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.519
very wet mud puddle. You sent
me pictures of the thing where it walked

515
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.239
through, and I think I think
they're real. I'm not gonna be as

516
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.719
anybody. I do think they're real, but I try to leave a little

517
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.079
margin of error in there. But
I do think they're real. There is

518
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:37.800
some rather straight lines and vertical walls, but again that's what happens when you

519
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.840
cast things in supersaturated soil, and
of course I mean supersaturated. Imagine like

520
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.280
putting a sponge into water, that's
a supersaturated sponge, and soil can be

521
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.800
the same way you know, standing
water in a puddle and that sort of

522
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.920
thing. The footprints are fantastic.
There's they strongly resemble many, many,

523
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:59.320
many other footprints in the data set, but not so much that I would

524
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.519
think that they're a cook cutter copy. And also, being a great bigfooter

525
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:07.719
like you are, you cast three
footprints out of what five I think are

526
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:09.480
at the location, and therefore,
because we have three of them, we

527
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.159
have multiple footprints of I believe the
right if I remember right, the right

528
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.320
foot, and when you lay the
right foot over each other and line up

529
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.000
the toes, the toes do not
line up with each other. There is

530
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.079
a variability and horizontal tostplay, which
is one of the most important things you

531
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.239
can look for in a footprint cast
to see if these things are real.

532
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.840
One cast will not do it.
There was somebody arguing that the London casts

533
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.719
are real recently, and they put
one photograph of one print up and say

534
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:44.639
look at the tosplay. Well,
to'splay is movement right. So if you

535
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.480
put one footprint photograph up, you
don't know if it's playing or not.

536
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.440
You just don't know. But here
we have two casts of the same foot

537
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.079
and overlaying them or overlying them or
putting them over each other, anyway,

538
00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:00.280
you can clearly see differentiation in toe
position. They are just fantastic. And

539
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.480
congratulations, hats off to you.
If I had fireworks, I would light

540
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.079
him off in Eric Altman's honor.
Man, they are great, So tell

541
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.840
us how did this happen? Like, how did they come to you?

542
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.559
What was happening, what were the
witnesses doing, and what were the struggles

543
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:20.320
with casting these things? Sure,
on April twenty sixth, I went on

544
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.719
a lunch break and I checked my
email for the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, and

545
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:30.079
there was an email submission from a
guy named Jeff from a little a small

546
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.519
town in south central Pennsylvania, southwestern
central Pennsylvania, if you want to call

547
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.320
it, that called Roaring Springs,
and it's just to the north of Bedford,

548
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:46.480
Pennsylvania. And he said that he
and some colleagues they are all hunters,

549
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:52.159
were out that early that morning and
they were looking for a good area

550
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:57.360
to turkey hunt. They was scouting
for turkey, and they had literally hiked

551
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.599
about two hundred and fifty yards into
the woods on an ATV trail from their

552
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:06.679
parked truck. And this is a
very heavily forested area. They've hunted there

553
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.280
before, so they're familiar with the
area, so they wanted to scout and

554
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.239
see if there were any signs of
turkey. And as they're walking back through

555
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:20.599
the ATV trail, they came across
a muddy spillway area, probably about ten

556
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.760
feet twelve feet in length, that
was just a big mud puddle in the

557
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.159
middle of the ATV trail, and
they were looking for turkey tracks, and

558
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.920
they found coyote tracks and deer tracks, and the four gentlemen, one of

559
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.000
the taxidermists, one was a dentist. The gentleman Jeff, who contacted me.

560
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:42.119
He works in retail, and he
said they were looking down at the

561
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.280
ground and one guy said, look
at this print. This doesn't look like

562
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.920
a deer print. This looks like
a big human, barefoot track. And

563
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.480
the other guy, who was standing
on the opposite side of the mud puddle

564
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.239
was looking down he said, yeah, there's one over here too, And

565
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.800
they were kind of looking at each
other puzzled, like, what are these

566
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.440
prints? They'd never seen them,
So they started looking a little bit further

567
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.159
around the mud puddle, and they
found a total of four tracks, two

568
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.679
left feet and two right feet,
and three of the tracks went right through

569
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.639
the center of the mud puddle and
had sunk pretty deep into the mud puddle

570
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.599
itself. And he was just amazed. And the gentleman who was a taxidermist,

571
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.000
and all four of them were lifelong
hunters over fifty years, none of

572
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:29.440
them had ever seen tracks like this, so they were kind of surprise.

573
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.719
One of the gentlemen who the tracks
was scared. He wanted to leave the

574
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.000
woods. He was like, let's
get out here. There's something out here

575
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.719
that shouldn't be let's go. But
they were smart enough to take pictures.

576
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.400
Unfortunately, they didn't have anything to
set scale to the track except for one

577
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:49.199
of the hunter's bootprints or boots,
and he put it next to the print,

578
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.400
and they sent an email to the
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society. Well, I

579
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:58.559
monitor that email email box pretty frequently. I saw the email and I was

580
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.320
like, Wow, this isn't far
from my house, but I know there's

581
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.559
two researchers that are closer than I
am. Maybe they can do a quick

582
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.079
follow up. So I sent it
off to the two researchers and one of

583
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:14.119
them made a phone call to him
that same day and he sent me the

584
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.760
pictures she actually sent to her,
and then she sent them to me,

585
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.960
and I got on the phone with
him and like, these tracks are amazing.

586
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.360
These are not bare human footprints.
They're much much wider, much longer.

587
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.119
Are they still there? And he's
like, yeah, they're still here.

588
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.360
I said, well, how can
I get up there to take a

589
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.199
look at these? And the gentleman
Jeff that I spoke to who sent the

590
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.119
email, said, come on up, I'll show you exactly where they are.

591
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:45.400
So the following day, that Saturday, was beginning of youth Turkey season

592
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.440
hunting the season, and we didn't
want to go into the woods to try

593
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.599
to cast tracks while there were people
out there with rifle shooting. So we

594
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.639
made arrangements to go up Sunday and
we met him in town about twelve o'clock

595
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.039
on Sunday and he drove us up
to the location. And the location is

596
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.760
up on a place called Lock Mountain, and it's about two and a half

597
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.280
miles from the last house before you
leave the paved road and hit dirt gravel

598
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.559
to get up into the mountain.
And this area borders right on a state

599
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.519
gamely and so we drove up,
we parked the vehicles. You and I

600
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.519
conversed about this cliff, and we
talked about it, and I think I

601
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.079
sent you the pictures of the original
footprints, if I'm not mistaken, But

602
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.039
you said, hey, if you
need anything, let me know. I'm

603
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:30.920
here, you know, if you
need any help. And I was like,

604
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.840
I appreciate that. So we got
on site and sure enough, three

605
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.320
of the four tracks were still there, and I was kind of sweating that

606
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.039
because it had rained Friday night into
Saturday, and I was like, oh

607
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.360
man, we're not going to get
up there in time to find these tracks.

608
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:50.320
But fortunately three of the four tracks, where they're one of the first

609
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.320
tracks leading to this mud puddle,
got washed out. So I was amazed.

610
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.480
Measurements that measured fifteen inches long by
across the ball of the foot,

611
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.800
by four across the heel of the
foot. They were about an inch and

612
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.920
yeah, an inch and a half
maybe two inches deep in the mud.

613
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:13.079
And there was a left right left
track and I was like I got to

614
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.000
cast these, but as we spoke
on the phone, I had never cast

615
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.280
tracks with that much water in them, and I didn't bring a turkey base

616
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.119
or I didn't have any way of
getting the water out of the tracks.

617
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:30.679
But using your advice, I used
some dental stone and we just made the

618
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.440
molding material a little thicker and we
poured the casts, let them sit for

619
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.280
about an hour and a half,
pulled them out, waited a day or

620
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.360
two for them to dry off,
clean them up, and sure enough they

621
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.719
turned out to be pretty pretty good
cast. I think they're the best cast

622
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.960
to ever have been taken in Pennsylvania. Well, I can say this for

623
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.880
as long as I've been doing this, and I've seen several tracks in the

624
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.119
ground and I've tried to cast them. These are the best tracks that I've

625
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.360
personally cast. It. They show, like you said, five toes,

626
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.239
a large, one large toe,
four smaller toes, and they were splayed.

627
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.039
You could see clearly in the mud
that they were splayed in different toe

628
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.239
positions. Yeah, they're probably the
best casts that I've had the opportunity to

629
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.159
be able to make. Well,
I can only think of a handful of

630
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.920
other casts from Pennsylvania anyway. I
guess not a lot of people are putting

631
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.119
plaster in the ground out there.
You were kind enough to give me one

632
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.480
that's in my collection. I've seen
two or three others, but every time

633
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:36.440
I've seen a cast from Pennsylvania that
looks good in any way, there was

634
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:40.559
only one of them, Only one
single cast was retrieved. But you have

635
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.679
three from the same trackway, which
is astounding, and it's in its own

636
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:50.719
right. It's a standalone feet to
all those puns not intended. Actually,

637
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.960
it's a standalone feet to my knowledge, at least in Pennsylvania. Of course,

638
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.719
you're probably much more familiar with the
data in Pennsylvania than I am,

639
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.599
but I'm not aware of any other
trackway were multiple examples from that same track

640
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.400
weight had been retrieved. So,
like I said, congratulations to you,

641
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.440
hats off fireworks a whole nine man, just you killed it. Those are

642
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.039
great. I did some research,
and I know there have been sightings in

643
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.519
the area, but there hadn't really
been anything recent. I think the most

644
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:20.199
recent sighting in that area was back
in twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, but

645
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.400
it's probably about sixty miles from the
Chestnutridge so it's not out of the realm

646
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:29.800
of possibility that there's creatures moving around, there's just not being reported or seen.

647
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.800
So there wasn't anything recent as far
as sighting reports or encounters reported in

648
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.760
that area, at least to my
knowledge. That might have as I mentioned,

649
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:44.079
other Bigfoot researchers may have gotten some
information from that area, but that's

650
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.679
the first I'm aware of in the
last couple of years. Yeah, it's

651
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.280
fantastic, and you know, that's
a sign of a good spot when you

652
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.480
don't have anything in your database.
But they're clearly there. Some of my

653
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:59.719
best spots there have never been reports
out of period, but yet they're there.

654
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.239
I don't know how close you are
to there, but that might be

655
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.559
a spot for you to start working. Yeah, we're planning on heading back

656
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.400
up to that area in the immediate
future. I'm making plans with some of

657
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:15.320
the Pennsylvania big With Society members to
kind of do some overnights and see what

658
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.599
we can come up with. It's
public land, so we can go up

659
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.119
there. It's not a private area
fortunately, So Yeah, we're definitely I'm

660
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.559
keeping my eyes on it and ears
on it and staying in contact with the

661
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.000
witness who found the tracks initially,
so that if he hears anything, or

662
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.719
anybody else in the area reports anything, I'll be sure to follow up on

663
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.480
it immediately. Fantastic, fantastic,
Get your ear to the ground out in

664
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.800
that area. So you said Chestnut
Ridge, of course is sixty miles away,

665
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:49.039
but there are other sasquatch reports,
probably within twenty miles, wouldn't you

666
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.840
think, Oh, yeah, there
have been, yeah, just unfortunately nothing

667
00:44:52.960 --> 00:45:00.519
too recent. We've gotten some recent
reports this year in northern Westmoreland County in

668
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.840
Indiana County, which is only about
a forty five minute drive maybe forty fifty

669
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:09.039
miles away to the west. We've
had recent reports from eyewitnesses that I've looked

670
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:15.079
into and investigated, but nothing in
that particular area as of late. Like

671
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.159
I mentioned, I think twenty fifteen
or sixteen, there was a sighting in

672
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.679
that area where the tracks were found, not in that particular same forest,

673
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.639
but close by within a couple of
miles. So there is there as sightings

674
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.760
that are happening around the area,
just not readily reporting. Stay tuned for

675
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.800
more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. We'll be right back after these

676
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:44.559
messages so what are your plans for
this area. You said you're gonna go

677
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:45.760
do a couple of campouts, but
are you going to be employing an these

678
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.920
sort of interesting techniques you might be
able to share with our listeners. Well,

679
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.280
we're going to do a couple of
night time outings where we're gonna do

680
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.440
some calls and woodknocks. I'm going
to be putting out some game cameras,

681
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.079
maybe fly a drone over the area
to try to get a better look because

682
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:08.159
it's such a vast area and full
of really deep valleys and ridges and really

683
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:14.480
steep mountains. It's part of the
same Mountains train out there, but yeah,

684
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.320
there's a lot of forest out there
that be covered and we're going to

685
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.039
try to do as much as we
can. We only have a small team,

686
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:22.960
probably about five or six members that
we can take out and split up

687
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:27.360
into teams, but we're going to
do what we can. Deploy some game

688
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:34.239
cameras, got some thermal equipment we
can use and try our luck with either

689
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.360
doing some vocalizations or broadcasting some calls
and some woodennocks and see what we can

690
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.199
draw in. And of course I'm
assuming walking the roads and river bottoms stuff

691
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.719
looking for footprints, because if you
can find more footprints and identify this same

692
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.079
creature as it moves around, or
better yet a different creature, that would

693
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.199
shed more lights on what's going on
in that particular area, at least far

694
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.159
as the social aspect of bigfoot,
the sasquatches there be, or maybe even

695
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.360
the population or you know, who
knows, who knows, and you said,

696
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.400
these are about fifteen inches or fourteen
inches, fifteen inches fifteen okay,

697
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.320
so that's right on the verge of
maybe being a male, you know,

698
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:15.159
or a big old female. Most
of the female are presumed female prints that

699
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.079
I'm running across, and I say
presumed because we are often finding juveniles nearby,

700
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:24.639
juvenile sasquatch footprints nearby in at least
two different locations. They tend to

701
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:30.239
be thirteen to fourteen inches, And
I think that jibes pretty well with Henner's

702
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.159
data as well on that paper that
he published, the size Scaling Statistics whatever

703
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.880
it's called, the sasquatch thing,
And so I'm thinking these fifteen to sixteen

704
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.920
inches might be male. So it'd
be interesting to plumb those depths a little

705
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.119
bit and see what we're dealing with
here in this particular area. Yeah,

706
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:50.880
I'm hoping that when we get back
up there and we're able to do some

707
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.639
overnights to see if we can find
anything. I know, we did a

708
00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.320
pretty thorough investigation of the surrounding area. We walked a good mile down the

709
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:06.000
ATV trail and I went off in
the direction the tracks were going a good

710
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.159
couple hundred yards, and I didn't
see any tree breaks. I didn't of

711
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:13.039
course, the grounds littered with leaves
and fallen twigs and branches and stuff like

712
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.880
that, but I saw no other
sign really to indicate if maybe the creature

713
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:21.280
turned it in a different way,
or what its pathway was. We even

714
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.400
went the direction they came from,
hoping we could find something coming up the

715
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:29.400
steep hollow, but we found no
other signs. The ground was so dry

716
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.760
when we were there, with the
exception of that mud puddle, and it

717
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.880
even rained, as I mentioned,
on Friday night into Saturday. So I

718
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:39.119
was hoping we might be able to
see something, but despite our efforts,

719
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.440
we couldn't find any other evidence.
No. Obviously there must be a lot

720
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.760
of turkey in the area. The
guys were scouting for turkey hunting, after

721
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:51.039
all, did you see any other
obvious food sources. We did find some

722
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:55.679
berry brush that seemed to be just
starting to grow with the leaves on them.

723
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:01.519
We did find deer tracks, and
the gentleman Jeff, who went with

724
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.079
us and showed it's where the tracks
were found, his son and his son's

725
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.559
best friend came along because they were
interested in seeing the tracks too. While

726
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:12.840
they were out walking around the woods
looking for any other sign, they were

727
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.199
doing turkey calls and we were getting
turkey reply. So there was a lot

728
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:22.280
of turkey in that area obviously,
and it seems to be a really good

729
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.880
food source of animals there. And
as I mentioned, the last house we

730
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.679
had passed was two and a half
miles away. There are some farms not

731
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.440
far from this area, maybe within
a three mile three and a half mile

732
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.679
radius of where we found the tracks, so there's probably ample food there during

733
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:44.679
the harvest season's corn and them planting
and stuff like that. So I'm convinced

734
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:49.039
there's a good, really good food
source in that area of both animals and

735
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.960
plants. Fantastic, fantastic, really
exciting stuff. And just a little tidbit

736
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.039
for people who think that bigfoot stuff
is fairly rare, and it kind of

737
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.119
is it kind of is, but
maybe not as where's you think? Because

738
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.880
that you cast these things on a
Sunday. I was out on Sunday doing

739
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.000
my own footprint follow up and in
different situation than I found five or six

740
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.920
footprints or four or five foot prints
down there. And at the same time

741
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.679
over in Kentucky, Tom Shay was
out and he was casting the Prince that

742
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.719
same day as well. So that
was kind of a stellar day for bigfoot

743
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.199
all around. But you are by
far the winner man taking away three gorgeous

744
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.320
gas like that. What a great
accomplishment man, super stoked for you.

745
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.679
Congratulations on that. Now I know
you cast other prints before. I think

746
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:36.239
you cast other Prince before. When
and where were that did those things happen?

747
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.679
I had cast a series of tracks
in the summer of twenty twenty two.

748
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.000
I got a phone call very early
in the morning from a fly fisherman

749
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:51.800
who had gone down to a creek
in Mount Pleasant Township on the Chestnut Ridge.

750
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.480
He was fly fishing and he found
a series of tracks. They were

751
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:01.440
very small, probably ten eleven in
long, maybe four and a half five

752
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:06.679
inches wide, but they were along
this creek bank and they went to the

753
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.000
creek bank for I think there was
maybe seven or eight of those tracks that

754
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:15.079
were found, and they were of
different They weren't all uniform or they want

755
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.119
all like very similar. They were
slides, and there was some going into

756
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.840
the creek and coming out of the
creek, and you could see where there

757
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.400
were tracks left. But there was
probably of those eight prints that we found,

758
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.840
maybe three or four of them looked
really good that you could cast them.

759
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.840
And I happened to do a Facebook
live just showing the tracks, and

760
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.360
Jeff Meldrum jumped on the Facebook live
and was watching me, and I was

761
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.599
kind of blown away. I was
like, I don't know if these are

762
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.679
human prints or if there's something else. It doesn't really make sense why somebody

763
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.280
would be walking. But Jeff jumped
in and said, those are human prints,

764
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.039
no pressure, right, yeah,
having the expert watching you what you're

765
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:59.400
doing. I'm like, I don't
know, but we cast a few of

766
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:05.320
those. I think we cast four
of the tracks, and they're not with

767
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.920
that they're within the range of human
prints, so I can't rule that out.

768
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:13.599
And Jeff watching the video said they've
looked human to him. So I

769
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.800
cast those In twenty twenty two,
I still have those casts. They don't

770
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.960
look anything like the ones that I
showed you in Ohio. Those were a

771
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.000
little more ambiguous, more questionable,
So I just kind of put them aside,

772
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.800
you know, and if I have
somebody able to look at them,

773
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:35.480
I show them make the determination of
what they it might be. And in

774
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:43.280
twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen, some
gentlemen had an experience in a little town

775
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:49.840
called Brownsville, Pennsylvania, where they
were out target shooting and they had seen

776
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.440
some deer run up the hill near
where their targets were set up, and

777
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:58.599
they were kind of surprised to see
the deer run into the line of fire.

778
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.480
But the deer ran up the hilt
and store looked at them, looked

779
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.159
back down the hill, and then
bolted. And they went over to where

780
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.920
the deer came up, and they
found a set of tracks coming in their

781
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.000
direction. So they called me and
I went out looked at them. Those

782
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.760
tracks were about twelve thirteen inches long. They definitely had toes in them.

783
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.719
I could see the toes. We
followed that series of tracks for almost a

784
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.840
mile mile and a half. But
again these were ambiguous, They were very

785
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.519
questionable whether they might have been human
or it might have been hoaxed. We

786
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.280
just we couldn't really determine because they
were older tracks, they weren't fresh.

787
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.280
I tried casting some of those.
Those didn't turn out real well because they

788
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.599
weren't really castable, but I figured
I'd give it a shot. So,

789
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.679
as I mentioned, I've cast some
tracks over the years, some have been

790
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.519
kind of questionable whether or not they
were human or or sasquatch tracks it.

791
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:51.119
You know, I really haven't had
a chance to show them to meldormore to

792
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:57.119
you, but these ones two weeks
ago, I'm pretty confident what they are.

793
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.360
I know, Jeff looked at them
and he said he was about seventy

794
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.840
five to eighty percent convinced that's what
they are. So those are the best

795
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.119
by far of all the casts I've
tried to make in the last five ten

796
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.400
years. I did have a conversation
with Jeff about it after, you know,

797
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.400
after that day of all the events
there at Ohio, and his only

798
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.079
concerns were the same things that I
saw. But I think the things that

799
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.400
I saw, that the vertical line
or yeah, the vertical walls and all

800
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.000
that sort of stuff, are easily
explainable by the substrate in which it was

801
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:31.519
cast, and I think that's that's
the most obvious answer there. I don't

802
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:37.280
see a way that they could be
fake because of the horizontal toast playing the

803
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.840
differentiation from those two different prints.
I'm pretty convinced that. I'm also pretty

804
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:46.400
convinced that they are real sasquatch of
tracks and among a very rare kind,

805
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.960
which of course is a sasquatch from
Pennsylvania. You know, it's fantastic.

806
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.840
In a few weeks here, I'm
going to be going out to Pennsylvania for

807
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.480
a job in what Marionville or where
am I going? You know better than

808
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.719
I do, because you know the
area where am I going in Erica.

809
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:07.159
You're going to the Forest County Bigfoot
Festival in Marionville, Pennsylvania. And that's

810
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.599
been going on now, I think
for three four years, where the Forest

811
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:16.840
County, the County Commissioners, and
the Forestreet Department, all that people get

812
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.400
behind it put this huge event on. And I haven't I haven't been to

813
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.199
one yet. I've researched in Marionville. I can tell you there's sightings there

814
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.960
in the Allegheny National Forest. You
guys filmed an episode of Finding Bigfoot out

815
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.440
there in the Allegheny National Forest years
ago. But the festival is a little

816
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:36.800
bit further to the south of where
you guys filmed, and it's a nice

817
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.480
little event. I think it's taking
place in June, if I'm not mistaken.

818
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.320
I think it's June eighth or ninth, whatever that weekend is. And

819
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.880
are you still planning on coming out
in case anybody wants to come check out

820
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.840
those footprint casts? Are you going
to be there? Yeah, I'm planning

821
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.480
to come up and see you,
of course. And it's my first festival

822
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:59.840
up there that I've attended. I've
spoken around it at other festivals in that

823
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.880
area, but this is the first
one I've actually I haven't been to.

824
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.920
So I'm planning on coming up to
see you and check out the festival.

825
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.519
And y'all have the cast with me
to let anybody that wants to take a

826
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.360
look at them, They're welcome to
take a gander. That'd be fantastic.

827
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:16.719
And you also have a festival or
a conference or festival. It's more of

828
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:22.079
a festival, right That was a
camp out really that you do. And

829
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:23.559
you have some other things you want
to share with us about some stet that's

830
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:28.320
coming up. What do you want
to let our listeners know? Yeah,

831
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.559
if you wouldn't mind, I have. This is our fourth annual Pennsylvania Bigfoot

832
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:37.039
Camping Adventure coming up in September of
this year. The dates are the sixth

833
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:43.400
and the seventh, and it's a
charity fundraiser event. But back in twenty

834
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.840
fourteen, I decided, you know, there's a lot of conferences going on

835
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.159
that are indoor. There weren't many
outdoor festivals, so I thought I'd try

836
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.840
to put something together where it would
not only be a festival, but people

837
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.320
that were interested in doing sasquatch research
or wanted to learn more about it could

838
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.880
come out here. Guest speakers get
their hands on doing workshops, learning how

839
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:07.440
to cast, learning how to take
measurements, what kind of equipment to use

840
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.440
when researching, tools to use that
sort of thing, and you to give

841
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.679
the people a chance to even go
out on night hikes with us. We'd

842
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:17.639
take them into the state forest state
Gamelanes, not far from the campground,

843
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:21.840
so they'd have a chance to experience
what it would be like going out and

844
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:29.320
doing bigfoot research. And very successful, and we moved from twenty sixteen twenty

845
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:32.639
seventeen, twenty nineteen. You were
there as a guest, so you attended.

846
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.400
You saw the kind of festival it
is, and people just have a

847
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.719
chance to come out and meet other
researchers, people that have been in this

848
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.800
a long time. Here some of
the cases that are going on in the

849
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:45.719
area, the sightings, the reports, see some evidence, get hands on

850
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:51.599
workshops, go on night hikes with
us looking for the creature because there have

851
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.400
been plenty of sightings around the area, and all the proceeds benefit local charities.

852
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:00.639
We donate to a couple of local
charities and give back to community.

853
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.199
Yeah, the nineteen event was a
lot of fun. Actually, that was

854
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:08.280
most remarkably. That was my first
exposure to the Mountain Monster folks. Those

855
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.239
guys are Yeah. I was gonna
say, man, I'm gonna be in

856
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.119
the booth next to these guys,
these actors, you know, and I

857
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.840
was all like, man, these
actors doing damage to the subject, blah

858
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:20.719
blah blah. And then I saw
them and I go, oh my god.

859
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.039
First of all, they're not acting. That's probably the probably the weirdest

860
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.440
thing about the whole thing is they're
not acting at all. And then I

861
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.440
saw how they treat each individual person
and all the children coming up, and

862
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:35.320
you know, they're saying a happy
birthday to kids and all day long,

863
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.320
and I say, oh, I
just fell in love with those guys.

864
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.320
Over the next day and it's like
we've been very good friends ever since.

865
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.159
Every time I see those guys,
they put a big old smile on my

866
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.400
face, and I realized, Yeah, that's what they're for, that's their

867
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:50.480
purpose, that's what that's what all
this is about, putting a big old

868
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.599
smile on your face and having some
fun. And I don't think anybody exemplifies

869
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.920
that more than the Mountain Monster folks, even if I think their show is

870
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.840
ridiculous, don't get me wrong.
You know, I don't think squatches are

871
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.559
a thing or whatever they're chasing the
sheep squatch or whatever it is, you

872
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:07.639
know, but man, they are
just solid dudes. And if for no

873
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:09.599
other reason, I'm so thankful I
got to do that event just because I

874
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:14.000
met them. Have you have you
gone out in the woods of those guys,

875
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.639
man, I've actually become really good
friends with those guys. I keep

876
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:22.440
in touch with Huckleberry and Jeff and
Willie, and I've run into wild Bill

877
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.920
at several events. Always he's a
character. It seems like wild Bill's a

878
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.519
kind of guy to run into you
though. You know, yeah, he's

879
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:35.639
found me at several events, I
should say. But those guys are great.

880
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.559
They're solid of the earth. They're
they're really down to earth people.

881
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.559
They're a lot of fun and they
give back to their fans. Like you

882
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:47.639
said, they love the kids.
They're very warm and welcoming, just like

883
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:52.199
you are. You guys are I
mean, you love your fans and you

884
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.320
embrace everybody that comes up to you. That's what this event is about,

885
00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:00.000
is you know, people get the
chance to not only here Bigfoot researchers and

886
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.320
do the hands on they get to
meet people that have been on television or

887
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.840
some other idols. We had Jeff
Meldrum there the year you were with us

888
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:10.760
and Ken Gerhard and they get a
chance to meet you guys and see that

889
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.800
you guys are just average guys like
you know everybody else and very welcoming,

890
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.280
very hospitable. And you know,
that's why we keep doing it, is

891
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:23.440
because it's fun to do. People
get a chance to meet people they've seen

892
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.280
on TV or can learn from ask
questions, you know, get to meet

893
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.440
them, get to know them,
and it's all about friendship. We all

894
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.239
become good friends and we keep in
touch here after year. That's fantastic.

895
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:38.039
And you know, I know,
the lovely and talented Matt pro will put

896
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.000
it in the show notes and all
that jazz. But why don't you tell

897
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.800
the people who are driving and you
can't write anything down right now where they

898
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.519
can find out more information or maybe
even get ahold of you, learn a

899
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:50.480
little bit bit more about what you're
doing. Yeah. Absolutely. The website

900
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:57.199
for the event is PA for Pennsylvania
PA Bigfoot Campingadventure dot com. All the

901
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.920
informations on their speakers, who's going
to be their tickets, all that information

902
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.800
you can find there. They can
get a hold of me by our website,

903
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:13.239
Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society's website, which is
just PA Bigfoot dot com. And

904
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.760
I have my own website which I
haven't updated forever, but it's Eric Altman

905
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.880
dot net and you can get a
hold of me through that. We're on

906
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.519
social media. I'm available and there's
there's a lot of ways to get in

907
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.920
touch with me. Hey, your
PBS. That was my favorite T shirt

908
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:30.480
for for years and years. I
had a couple of my warm out.

909
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.519
Well, if we get in touch
after the show, Bobo, I'll get

910
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:37.119
you a brand new logo T shirt
that we've coved with so YouTube. Cliff,

911
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.559
I know you're not a big T
shirt guy. I prefer to go

912
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:45.719
shirtless. Yeah. Hey, Eric, I don't know. You have time

913
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.400
to come hang out with us and
the member section and we can talk about

914
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.519
the Ohio conference and some other cool
stuff. Absolutely, oh fantastic. Yeah,

915
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:54.679
we'll stretch this down. Let's stretch
this one out to a you know,

916
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:59.119
a member episode two for our members
and we'll get down to the nitty

917
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.320
gritty, do some re capping of
the Ohio conference with Matt Preud who is

918
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.920
also there. And yeah, so
yeah, why do we do that?

919
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.039
And Eric, thank you so much
for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond. I

920
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.920
apologize for waiting so long to have
you on. I thought you had already

921
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:15.280
been on, but that's that's my
scrambled brain. So fantastic to have you

922
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.000
on. Great conversation as always.
Just love you to death, man,

923
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.280
Thank you so much. Yeah,
thanks Eric, thanks for having me on.

924
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.320
Guys, it's always great to talk
to you. And we got to

925
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.559
keep in touch more than we do. Absolutely, all right, so you

926
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.960
just hold hold tight there, Eric
and Boba's going to take us out of

927
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:31.480
here, all right, folks.
Yeah, we're going to get to the

928
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:36.199
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929
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.480
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930
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:44.119
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931
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:52.960
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932
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.880
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01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:00.159
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