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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
GUFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I have with
me Martin Homeless. Willis. Yeah,

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I'm sort of homeless. We're gonna
be talking about that. Yeah, we'll

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talk about that about your homelessness.
But before that, I want to tell

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people about my Guess. This is
really exciting. I think it's that this

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guy, you know, we've been
talking about it quite a bit, is

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putting a cube sat into space.
He's got an indie Go go campaign and

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so his name is Dave Cote,
and of course there's a group of people

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putting this together and so we talked
to Dave about that is project to do

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this, and you know how he
got interested in UFOs and how the whole

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thing's going to work and everything,
and so this is exciting. Yeah.

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I had his counterpart on my show
last week. You did I did,

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Yes, And there was people calling
in and it was interesting. Yeah,

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trying to one up us here.
No, you have the main guy there

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who can answer all the technical questions
that the nice gentleman I had last week.

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His name was Mark Richfield, and
unfortunately he didn't have a lot of

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the facts in front of him.
And couldn't answer the questions that he couldn't

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answer a lot of the questions,
I should say, actually Dave mentions that

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about he mentioned your show. He
said the show went well, but yeah,

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he felt bad for his buddy there, but he'll talk about that in

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the interview. However, I didn't
really ask anything too technical. I knew

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the nature of some of your questions, so I did kind of ask along

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those lines, but I didn't really
press because you know, but we do

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talk about that. So yeah,
so that's really cool. He spoke positively

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about your show though. That's the
first one. Yeah, yeah, that's

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a rare occurrence. And so we
how to get into your news and about

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how you're homeless. All right,
well it's not physically homeless, but my

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live show is going to be homeless
because if the listener hasn't heard out there.

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Art Bell hung up his microphone and
his own words for good just last

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week, last Friday, so Thursday, I believe it was his last,

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his last show and the network I'm
on, Dark Matter Digital Network was built

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solely for the purpose of Art coming
back, which he did now for a

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couple of months, and so I
was the longest running live show on that

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on that network, and we have
one week left. I'm going out with

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a bango. I have James Fox
on. I'm really excited to have him

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on. But so Art is done, he's out, He's done, and

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you know, there's a lot of
talk about that how it happened. I

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don't know if you've looked into that
at all. I have not seen a

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whole lot of the talk. I
did speak, you know, Lean Spiegel

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and I speak often, and we
talked about it a bit this weekend because

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as soon as I saw your post
I sent it to him. I knew

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he would be shocked. He had
written about how Art Bell was coming back

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and the whole thing, this whole, all of this has been so strange

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for the last couple of years,
because of course he came back to XM.

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Everybody was really excited about him going
to XM. Shortly after he started

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on XM. That fell through.
Then the Dark Matter Radio Network came into

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existence, and of course I kept
calling it the Art Bell Dark Matter Radio

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Network. Then I was so,
we can't call it that because he's under

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contract, so it's just a dark
Matter digital network. And because he couldn't

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come back on the air tool his
ExM contract ended, and then that ended,

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and you know, people waited maybe
a year to hear him come back

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online again. He came back online. He's only been up for a few

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months. And what was the strangest
It's not like, hey guys, I'm

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going to retire. It was I'm
retiring. I'm not going to be on

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the air tonight or ever again.
That's right. Yeah, well it all

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had to do with a supposed stalker
and that fired gunshots. He's saying,

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you know, he doesn't want me
to run the show. That's what Art

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is getting out of it, which
I don't know. It's pretty bizarre,

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Yeah, really weird stuff. Of
course, there's I've heard and seen some

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conspiracy theories out there that you know, there was no stalker, there is

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a stoker, there's evidence there's no
stocker. There's who knows what's going on.

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But obviously, I think from given
the pass that Art Bell is quick

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to I can't say I'm too surprised
because even originally when he came on the

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air, I was I guess I
was hopeful because it was going to be

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an XM show, But once he
left, it was like, you know,

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it seemed like he just wasn't ready
or willing to come back. Of

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course, people will remember when his
last appearances on Coast to Coast AM,

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which of course he helped found or
he did found, and he kind of

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came back and left and then left
for good, and it was kind of

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the same thing. It was like
he just didn't seem like he wanted to

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come back, but was maybe coaxed
into it because people love him and missed

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him so, but he always seemed
kind of reticent to really put his whole

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heart back into the whole thing.
And now, boom, out of nowhere,

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it's done. But the unfortunate part, of course, is that there's

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a whole network that has built on
this, where you know Bill and Nancy

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Burns. I've been on their show. They're great people, they have a

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popular show on the network, Doctor
j you others, and so now unfortunately

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the fallout is the whole network is
going away. Huh. Well, according

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to now, I haven't spoke to
Keith the producer, which I'm kind of

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surprised, but I've been trying to
reach him and I've hadn't had any return

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calls. However, he is posting
up on the website that they're going to

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give the run at least thirty days. Now. Heather, his producer,

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has taken over the shows and she's
going to be interviewing the people. But

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I've seen some angry comments about that, people saying, you know, I'm

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not going to pay to hear Heather
in the desert. I want to pay

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to hear Art and you know,
Midnight in the Desert. So I don't

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know, you know, I think
he's given it one month. He's giving

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the live shows one week, and
then the entire network he's going to give

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one month to see how it goes. And this is all I'm reading now.

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I haven't spoke to Keith, like
I said, but this is all

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what he's posting out there on the
internet and on Facebook. Yeah. So

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I guess even all of you guys
on the network are in the dark.

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Bit we are. Yeah, well, I guess you know. All I

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could say is it's unfortunate Art it's
not going to be on the air.

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It's unfortunate the network's going away because
he was turning into you know, it's

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developed into a great network with some
great shows, and and I like to

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say, I guess I think I
am grateful that they ran our show on

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the network you know here and there. They would download our shows and air

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them, so that's cool, that's
right. I do want to say one

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thing though, I would like to
announce here people that do listen to my

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show on occasion that like to listen
live. I and I have a number

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of listeners live, you know,
every single week, so I would hope

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that we're going to be able to
migrate at least some of these people.

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I'm going to have a live feed
right on my website podcast ufo, and

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still run the shows, chat room
and everything live at the same time,

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which is Wednesday nights at eight to
ten pm Eastern Standard time. I'm going

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to run the show live at the
same time, and then if Keith wants

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to run my show pre recorded,
he's going to have to pick a different

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timeslot. Okay, okay, cool. So podcastufo dot com is where you'll

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still be able to hear podcast ufo
yep. In about a week's time,

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I should have the live feed up
and the whole thing will be right there.

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All they have to do is you
just click on a link during the

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that time period and the live show
will come up nice, which life is

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nice because then you get to take
callers and stuff like that. Yeah,

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it's a bit of a challenge.
There's some technical challenges sometimes, but I

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love doing a live show and I
don't want to go back to a podcast.

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I do already do another podcast on
the antiques and that's that's enough for

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me, gotcha. Yeah, So
I'm just a one man wall. So

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are you? I just too busy. It's so difficult to do a live

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show. And quite frankly, it's
it's hard to take calls because you know,

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sometimes you get some some really odd
stuff and it gets difficult. But

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but yeah, so there you go. Well, what that's big news,

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that's crazy. That's really wild stuff, wild wild stuff. Yeah, I

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I know if you if you google
online art Bell retiring, it comes up

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about five times, and all the
different times that he's like thrown in the

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towel. So it's not a surprise. And as a matter of fact,

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on August twenty first, when he
had what he said, his neighbors were

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reporting gunshots outside of his studio,
which he didn't hear because he was in

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his studio. Be interested to see
if there's a police support about that.

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But during that time, I had
someone to a listener text me and said,

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well, I give Art Bell a
couple of weeks now, and so

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I said why and then she told
me about the supposed stocker and she said,

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that's just his cue on his way
out. I thought that was kind

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of an interesting insight, but you
know, it's just a speculative one that

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is interesting. And that person turned
out to be right. Yes, that's

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right. This is you know,
I don't think we've talked about this,

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you know. Migrating over to UFO
news is that Roger Marsh who of course

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reports MoveOn Director of Communication, who
is posting stories every day open mindstat TV.

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He posted his story about a sighting
in Perumpt, Nevada, which is

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where Art Bell is. Art Bell
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So you know, I live in
a desert, and not that I'm in

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a rural area. But gunshots,
I guess, aren't too abnormal, especially

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when you're out in the desert or
and where he is out in the middle

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of the desert in Perumpt, Nevada. But there was a UFO sighting,

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a UFO video even submitted to move
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the siding took place on July twelfth, twenty fourteen, at nine pm,

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and this person said they saw a
dark object that appeared to be very large,

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hovering and then moving at times.
They filmed for about half an hour

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before it got too dark to see
this object. And when you see the

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video, the video itself, a
warny is not very impressive. You couldn't

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really see much. But they said
there were different lights on the object and

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it had set there for a long
period of time and they understand that.

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Unfortunately their phone didn't pick it up
very well. But they said that the

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object made no noise. There were
flashing lights of white, green, and

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red on the object. And their
quote here, I think their best quote

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from the report was, we are
not claiming this object is extraterrestrial, but

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it's definitely by all definition a UFO. If you witnessed what we saw,

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you would have been in awe like
we were. I looked for any logical

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explanation to what we were witnessing before
putting this out there for us to be

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ridiculed. So I like that sentence
because it shows that this witness is,

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you know, understood that they would
be ridiculed, and that they wanted to

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before they posted a report do everything
they could to try to identify what it

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was. So, yeah, an
interesting report from Art bell Land. That's

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right, that's that town, isn't
I don't think it's highly populated either.

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I'm not really sure. Oh,
let's see. I think usually Roger puts

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some stats in here. Let's see
he says that has a population. Oh,

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it's in Ny County and the entire
county has thirty six forty one people,

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the size of a medium sized city. Yeah, exactly so or a

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smaller city, I guess. Yeah. Just goes to show you how how

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little there is out there in perrumpt
where Art Belt was broadcasting up until recently.

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That's right, nice equipment, and
I should ask him if I could

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buy it at his yard sale.
You know what I should say too,

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is that I have been you know
a lot of people say, oh,

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you should get him to the UFO
Congress, and every year they tell us

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that, and we have tried,
We have really tried hard. You mentioned

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Keith the producer. He tried to
help us get art build, but Art

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Bell just does not just like of
course Jacques Vallet is the same way.

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He does not do UFO conferences,
doesn't like doing him, refuses to do

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them, will not do them under
any circumstance, which is the same response

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I kept getting from Ballet for years. But luckily we are having him,

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you know, at the next conference. But yeah, Art Bell just has

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no interest in going to a UFO
conference or being part of one, unfortunately.

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Feel free to email him and tell
him, hey, come to the

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UFO Congress because we would absolutely love
to have him, and we have tried.

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Yeah, and you have that space
still open for one more guest,

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right, No, oh, you
got it filled? Okay, I can't.

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I've already told We talked about that, remember, not really I thought,

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gosh, you're getting old, buddy. We talked about how I have

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a really exciting special guests slated for
that period of time, the one open

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time we did. We don't have
it all the everything signed and back,

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but we've got a confirmation and it's
going to be I'm glad you brought it

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the spot up because it's going to
be super exciting. It's one of my

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all time heroes. But yeah,
so we've got someone for that spot.

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You don't remember this at all.
I do remember you're talking about the guests,

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but I didn't realize that he filled
the spot. Yeah that was open,

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okay, So we just had a
little communication gap, that's all righty

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uh. And another sighting that I
think it's kind of interesting and interesting photograph

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from Canada. And you almost sound
like you have a bit of a Canadian

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accent. Anybody ever told you that? No, No, I didn't realize

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I had much of a New England
accent because I've lived in different parts of

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the country. But I'm sure it's
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life was in New England, so
I'm sure I do sound a little bit

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hozer like you sound like a complete
hoser. Yeah, oh well, now

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I'm a homeless hoser. That's not
a bad thing. The guy I'm interviewing

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in a minute here, Dave Kote, is from Vancouver. That's where he

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is right now. In fact,
we just got done with the interview a

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little while ago, and that will
include here. So it's by no means

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a put down. It's just an
observation that, you know, I was

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thinking earlier today, maybe I'm mixing
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But yeah, a little canadian Ish
Canadian esque. Uh Yeah, So that's

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it's a good thing, buddy.
But this is a Canadian witness who videotaped

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a low flying military airplane. Uh. And the reason why is they saw

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what they said was a silver disc
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and this military plane above it,
and the photo is very interesting. They

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tried to videotape this as well and
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they feel that the videotape shows the
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to be possibly fairly low. I'm
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but you can take a look.
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I guess it's possible it's a bird
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space where you can't see them,
and the sun is reflecting, but it

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does look like a reflective object.
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It's a very very interesting photo.
I do kind of question, unfortunately,

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the witnesses perception of size. He
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the size of a city block.
What the military craft? Yeah, yeah,

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a little perspective off there. Yeah, I think they're a little up.

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I think when people see the plane
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it is, and it does look
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a commercial aircraft, probably, but
that's not necessarily the size of an entire

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city block. So I think it
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a good point. You're right,
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out. I had a have a
that's the flower praiser up in Toronto,

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and he said he saw it was
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disc and he has he has nothing, you know, he he is not

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into the topic of UFOs at all. We just had a conversation one day.

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Oh he saw where was he?
He was in Toronto and he was

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he was at a party and a
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and they heard the jets and they
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two jets chasing a silver disc.
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everybody was looking at each other and
you know, uh, they called.

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No one knew anything. And then
they watched. A bunch of him and

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his friends watched for a few days
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the newspapers and it never did and
that was his one and only an encounter.

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one of these people that kind of
accepts it after seeing that. Wow,

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that's really cool. Yeah. In
fact, that reminds me of David Kote,

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who we're talking to in a minute. He had a really interesting sighting

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too that got him into all of
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skeptic and so pretty cool. Wow, that's interesting. So people can check

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out the video of the plane,
estimate the size for yourselves and look at

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the photo and see if you think
it's something interesting. Of course, you

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can find that all at openmindstat TV. So otherwise, you know, you

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had the most exciting it was most
interesting I think with this art bell incident.

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So yeah, unfortunately, yeah yeah, so but you're going to be

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fine. You know what you're going
to find. Buddy, Hey, keep

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your chin up. You're a good
guy. You got a good show.

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Thanks man. Yeah, there's a
positive where you sobbing? No, it's

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our internet connection. I'm sorry.
Oh okay, I thought maybe you're getting

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emotional. So but you're not too
concerned though, right, You're not freaking

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out. No, no, no, no, it'll like you said,

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it'll be fine. And again,
if anyone's interested they still want to listen

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to the show live, they can
just check it out on my website in

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about two weeks from now. All
right, cool, well, thank you

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so much for joining us again,
Martin. Thanks, it's always a pleasure.

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And even though you're not really homeless, you've lost a home, but

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you're you've got your mansion that you
normally you lost a vacation home, but

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you've got your your B and B
that you live in a beautiful home at

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toy and you're going to be fine. Yeah. Thanks man. All right,

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okay, so that's it for the
news. Let's go ahead and talk

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with Dave Kotaine. I am very
happy to be joined by David kote Hello.

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Hi, how are you good?
Doing pretty good? So and so

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people know if you you cough here
or there? I guess you've got a

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bit of a cold, huh.
I do, yes, I've got that

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little bit of a winter bug.
Yeah, unfortunately. And where are you

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at. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. Oh okay, great, so kind

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of chilly out there, probably,
huh. It's well, it's not freezing.

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Okay, good, So you're doing
something really exciting. You have your cube

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sat for disclosure, you're crowdsourcing and
maybe I guess to begin with if you

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can kind of describe what a cube
sat is. Okay, it's a it's

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a small square device. It's basically
imagine a cube of circuit boards and it

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has various instruments like a camera or
two antennas so that you can uplink down

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link and it is sent into orbit
low Earth orbit, where it stays for

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a few months and after which it
burns up in the atmosphere that therefore there's

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no space junk floating out there,
and it'll allow us to kind of circle

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the globe and take measurements things like
radiation and pictures to go along with it.

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We're also hoping for some other really
cool things like passive infrareds, maybe

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passive radar if we can figure that
one out. And we're basically going to

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take the ground observation to the next
level into lower Earth orbit and try to

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capture some phenomenon that's pretty exciting,
and I think the CubeSat project or program

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is pretty new, isn't it Where
it allows pretty much anyone to put one

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of these little guys up in space. Yeah, I think it's I mean

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possibly this might be the first year
that they're doing like purely private launches.

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There's like the company I've been talking
to, inter Orbital Systems. They will

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do a very simple what's called a
tube SAT. It's even smaller, and

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they'll give you a launch for eight
thousand bucks along with a little kit and

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you got to build it yourself.
So we're trying to go a level up

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from that and do a cube SAT, which allows more weight, more instrumentation.

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It's a little more pricey. But
I've actually found out some new information

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that there are companies that will do
free launches, and so we're kind of

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fielding that a little bit. If
we could get a free launch, then

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we could put all the money towards
instruments and that would be great. Wow,

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that's pretty cool. So are they
doing free launches for like you have

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to apply kind of a grand type
of thing or I think how it works

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is you have commercial companies like you
know, SpaceX, NASA, various others.

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They will do a launch for a
very big payload, but usually they've

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got a lot of extra space,
they don't use up their full payload.

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So what they end up doing is
just packing some junk in there to make

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the weight kind of even out.
And they'd much prefer to send up people's

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little experiments and in these ways.
Yeah, you can apply. I know

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a lot of students do. And
if you've got an interesting experiment, they're

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more than happy to bring it on
up. How cool, Yeah, that's

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really cool. So since these CubeSats, you know, are unpowered or at

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least, you know, no propulsion
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eventually then their orbit deteriorates and they
burn up in the atmosphere. That's correct.

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Yeah, so they just kind of
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I mean, if there's a lot
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end up with just a few weeks
and you know, three or four weeks

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even. Yeah, but hopefully you'd
get up to two or three months,

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and that's more. I think the
average is about two months. Oh really,

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so the life of your system,
best case scenario will be two three

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months. Yeah, unless it keeps
going, like if we get good results

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and we get more interest and we
could make it a regular thing, and

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then we could think in the future
of trying to get a higher orbit.

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Of course, you'd have to pass
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you can get You can get a
small it basically ejects pressurized water or something

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and it will sort of keep your
boosting the satellite up just a tad to

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keep it in orbit longer. But
of course to have those things you need

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to pass various regulations because they don't
want an accident where you next thing your

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satellitees flying into the space station or
something, right, m Yeah, so

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I guess your satellite, I mean
in order to so what equipment is on

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it will probably be dependent on how
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That's correct. Yeah, Like we
some of the things we think we

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will get for sure are the cameras
there, even the camera we have listed

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which we are hoping to get.
There are cheaper ways to go, like,

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as you know, every smartphone has
a pretty decent camera these days,

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and the sea moss detectors are getting
really big, so we'll definitely be able

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to get one or two cameras on
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the scintillation counter, which basically picks
up ionized radiation, and we'd like to

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find a way that it's picks it
up not just on a directional basis,

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but picks it up all around the
quebue basically. Then there's things such as

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infrareds like full spectrum. We'd like
to get that. We found a few

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interesting ways that we should be able
to capture that. And then finally there's

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radar, which has never really been
done on a little satellite like that.

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Generally a radar system is really expensive
and quite big, but we may be

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able to do something where it passively
picks it up, and then that would

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allow us to pick up a little
bit of radar with the scintillation counter.

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How close does an object need to
be? Is it going to be difficult

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to pick up radiation or I guess
you know, from an anomalous object for

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instance, It shouldn't be too hard. I mean, distance isn't such a

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big factor. Like these are ionized
particles, so they're shooting really fast,

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great distances, so we should be
able to pick it up no problem.

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I mean, imagine in the movies, you'll see someone has a little radiation

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detector and they're trying to see if
an area is radioactive or dangerous, and

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you'll hear little click sounds and that's
when it's picking it up. It's basically

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like that, So it would it
would pick it up. I think our

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range would be quite decent, at
least to the point where if it's picking

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it up, then we'd turn our
imaging on and be able to capture it.

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Well, the imaging. Will the
cameras always be on that? I

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don't think so. I mean,
if we were to go video stream the

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data consumption would be ridiculous. There
may be an option to do streaming if

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we we kind of do a series
of very fast still images, which is

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basically what video really is, and
we could extract the thumbnail of each one,

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which is a tiny, tiny image, and stream that. You wouldn't

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get the same resolution. But then
what we could do is do an image

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comparison and when there's an amount of
light picking up on one of the frames,

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we could switch to the higher resolution. So we could go from you

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know, a hundred kilobytes per image
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of megabytes per image. Mm hmm, oh yeah, so even well,

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depending on your compression. Those those
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could be pretty high quality definitely.
Yeah, And there's like, there's a

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few options for data. One that
I think would be the best is if

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we we stay on the HAM radio
frequencies. And what that would do is

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it would allow anyone with a HAM
radio to pick up certain parts of the

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data. I mean, that would
fully kind of open source it, right,

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But the problem with the HAM radio
frequencies is it's such a slow download,

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Like a lot of times they'll use
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but it's a lot slower than even
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Interesting, so how much data will
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even if you put cameras on it, will you be able to get much

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in the way of video streaming video? Probably not, but I mean still

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imagery, which I mean, what
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pick up on data that would show
motion detection, rater detection, infrared detection.

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When it does detect an anomaly is
when the imagery would turn on.

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So the only real data consumption would
be at that at those times, and

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unless we have you know, thousands
of UFOs at all times, then we

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should be okay to capture you know, a few events. That's pretty cool.

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And well, the other good thing
about this is it's kind of an

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experiment where you and everyone else is
able to learn from what you do to

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see what works and what does for
future projects exactly. And I mean it's

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not limited to the UFO phenomenon.
It's I mean, if we discover anything

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at all that's new or interesting,
it could lead to you know, publishing

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scientific papers even like something to do
with magnetic field of Earth or solar flares

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or solar radiation, that kind of
thing. That's just a bonus. I

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mean, anything newly discovered would be
a bonus. M h yeah, so

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fun. I mean I think it's
really super exciting. I got to visit

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at Johnson Space Center recently, and
so it's like, you know, thinking

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of all this stuff in space and
the people who have gone there or will

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be going there, seeing all of
these these this equipment that has or will

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be going there, and to be
able to you know, be viewing these

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pictures from you know, a private
satellite. That's just so exciting. It's

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pretty cool. Yeah, I'm actually
I was very surprised that this hasn't been

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done before. I mean, I
was kind of just reading through the literature

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one day and I thought, I
mean, there's so many pictures, images,

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witness testimonies of UFOs or unexplained phenomenon, and then I thought, you

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know, why didn't we send a
satellite up and has that been done?

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And I found it hadn't been done. So, I mean the next logical

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step in experimenting would be to send
something up there and try to get something

409
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:45.559
that's scientifically verifiable or disputable. Right, So, in your verbiage cube sat

410
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:53.839
for disclosure, you did you purposefully
avoid using the word UFO and if so,

411
00:33:54.319 --> 00:34:00.160
why, Well? I think I
may have. I mean I didn't

412
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:06.960
really think explicitly I don't want to
use the word UFO, but I think

413
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:13.719
I may have just intuitively left it
out because unidentified it basically just means you

414
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.199
don't know what it is, right, And this is this is more geared

415
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:22.400
towards we want to know what it
is basically, so by getting data that

416
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:30.760
is verifiable, hopefully close up,
we should be able to verify like what

417
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.079
this is, whether it be a
is this just a meteorite or a meteor.

418
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.320
Is this a solar flare or is
this actually a craft which we should

419
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.639
make out? That is a really
interesting thought. Actually it's kind of you

420
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:51.480
know, you don't want to catch
capture UFO, which by definition is unidentified,

421
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.679
which then is something you can never
identify. What good is that you

422
00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:01.159
want to capture data to hopefully identif
even if it's this thing, even if

423
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:06.599
it's anomalous. Yeah, and it's
I mean, it's kind of a topic

424
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:12.159
that like a lot of scientists don't
want to touch. It's interesting. Early

425
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.239
on, I had someone who was
a cube SAT specialist and they were really

426
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.880
excited to get involved. And you
know, we're sending a cube set up

427
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:27.480
and they were doing their thesis on
CubeSat optimization, and like we talked about

428
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.320
the whole ETI UFO thing and that
was fine, but once it got on

429
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:37.840
to CHCCH News in Toronto, they
dropped out because they were worried about I

430
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:43.559
guess the repercussions of wow colleges and
what people would say just because of the

431
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.079
phenomenon. Like I mean, people
send experiments all the time measuring all kinds

432
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.320
of things, but once you put
the word UFO in there or extraterrestrial and

433
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:59.280
it seems to bring with it some
ridicule and I'm not I don't know where

434
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.440
that has come from from. I
don't know if that was staged from way

435
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.119
back in the forties and fifties,
if it was you know, government initiated

436
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:15.199
to make it ridiculous. Yeah,
and it's it's you know, so I

437
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:22.800
mean these guys, uh, and
credibility is so important to them that unfortunately,

438
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.840
you know, there's so many different
cases where people I've talked to and

439
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.760
unfortunately the most credible people, even
the different scientific organizations that are open to

440
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.880
looking into the phenomena, many of
them will want to remain anonymous because they

441
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.360
just don't want that stigma tied to
them. And which is frustrating because all

442
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.119
it is is it's investigating the unknown, which really is what science is.

443
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:57.079
Yeah, exactly exactly. So numbers, it looks like, you know,

444
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.239
about what is it going to cost? It sounds it's like your costs have

445
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.920
gone down or potentially will if you
don't have to pay for the launch.

446
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.679
So what do the numbers look like? How much do you need to get

447
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:17.000
one of these little guys up there? Well, the very smallest experiment which

448
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:23.000
would be this small tube SAT.
I believe it allows a payload of an

449
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:29.400
additional payload of two hundred and fifty
grams, very small. We can get

450
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:35.280
the kit for that and the launch
from inter Orbital Systems for eight thousand US.

451
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.079
We're basically like we have that covered
now. So we've got our worst

452
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:46.599
case scenario set up that would probably
allow purely imagery nothing else. That's pretty

453
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.719
cool. Yeah, that's so we
know we're going to be launching something,

454
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.480
that's for sure. We're at the
like around the twelve thousand mark, so

455
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.360
I mean our eight thousand for the
kit, the launch, and then the

456
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.199
goodies we have to send out,
like the T shirts. I think we've

457
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.800
all we've got that covered already.
We've gotten close to another month left of

458
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.199
the campaign. Plus it's an in
demand campaign, which means funds can be

459
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.840
received afterwards if we're like very short
of reaching a goal for a CubeSat to

460
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:24.440
be sent for instance, And I've
recently learned from a fellow who just joined

461
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:31.880
the team, Matt Lippert. He
works as a CubeSat optimization specialist and electrical

462
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:38.400
engineer, and he's looking into the
free launch opportunities and in this case,

463
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.000
we could end up getting a whole
bunch of instruments because if we put the

464
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.840
eight thousand that was stood a launch
straight to the cube, we can do

465
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.840
a lot more cool things with it. And by the way, I guess

466
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:58.440
what size is the cube? Oh, the dimensions it's it's like ten centimeters

467
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:05.199
by ten simeters by ten centimes is
basically okay, cool. So you chose

468
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:10.880
to crowd source this, and I
guess, and you're using indie go Go,

469
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.679
which is important because everybody knows about
Kickstarter that's probably the most popular crowdsourcing

470
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.400
tool. But if you don't reach
your goal, you don't get any of

471
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.000
the money, that's right, Yeah, whereas with indie go go, right,

472
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:30.679
even if you don't reach your goal, you'll you'll receive what you've been

473
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.519
pledged thus far. Yeah. Well, they have a couple of different ways

474
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.880
to do it, Like you can
choose that if you don't reach your goal,

475
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.679
funds just get refunded. Or you
can choose that if you don't reach

476
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.320
your goal, you get the funds. I guess if you'd want if you

477
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.840
didn't reach your goal and you just
want it all refunded, that would be

478
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.280
where you actually needed a certain amount
of capital, and if you don't have

479
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.800
that amount, you just can't do
it. Basically, Whereas we knew that

480
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.679
if we just hit the eight thousand
mark, we'd at least a launch.

481
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.639
Anything more just gives us a better
tool to put up there. And if

482
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.400
we didn't reach the eight thousand,
I was prepared myself to just probably kick

483
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:13.239
the rest of the money in to
do it. One. This is what's

484
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.679
awesome is that you know your goal
is fifty thousand. We'll talk about what

485
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.760
you hope that would achieve you if
you if you do reach that goal,

486
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.840
which you may, because you've already
gotten twenty three percent of your goal,

487
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.639
like you said, you've got about
twelve almost twelve thousand dollars and you still

488
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.880
have twenty four days left exactly.
And if I can hustle on the pr

489
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.519
and the coverage, then you never
know. So how has a campaign gone.

490
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.199
It seems to be a success.
Yeah, it's amazing, Like it's

491
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:52.440
actually kind of surprised me initially when
I had the idea, I was reading

492
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:59.280
some articles about private satellite launches and
I came across Inner Orbital's deal there,

493
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.719
and I reached out to a few
colleagues and said, you know, why

494
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.800
don't we do this. They're very
science minded anyway, and they'd love to

495
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.719
help send a satellite up just for
any reason. And they were interested.

496
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.119
But one of them said, you
know, why don't you set up a

497
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.800
crowdfunding and then I'll help you promote
it. And I had it hadn't occurred

498
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.960
to me to do that, and
I thought, sure, that sounds like

499
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.519
a good idea. So I started, you know, shooting a little video

500
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:30.880
and putting it together, and next
thing I had news agencies contacted me wanting

501
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.639
to interview, and that's when the
fund started rolling in. And yeah,

502
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:39.559
I'd say it was an amazing success. I'm very happy with it. Well

503
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.280
that's really cool too. That's a
neat story that you hadn't even thought of

504
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.639
it, or you weren't going to
do that, and thank goodness you have

505
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:54.159
because you know, your options increase
and it's something that's exciting that really,

506
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.760
you know, you shouldn't have to
foot all the bill. Yeah, exactly,

507
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.800
And I think this way, more
people become involved, it makes it

508
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.719
more of an open source project.
And I've learned a lot along the way,

509
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:15.519
like Matt Lippard, who joined on
recently, he has access to all

510
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.719
the testing facilities, Whereas before we
were kin to make the heartiest little cubes

511
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.239
that we could, but we didn't
have the proper testing facilities, so you

512
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.000
know, something could have gone wrong
and we just have a dead satellite up

513
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.679
there. Whereas now we've got this
fellow on board who has all the testing

514
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.920
facilities. He can do the vibration
tests, et cetera. So we're kind

515
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.519
of guaranteed that it's going to actually
work once it gets up there. And

516
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.440
that's a great thing, right,
I mean, and some of that,

517
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.480
And that's another aspect. How successful
has it been in attracting people to help

518
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:59.159
you because some of these resources like
that one that's you know, savings that

519
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.719
go beyond even your goal possibly,
yeah, exactly, And it's I mean,

520
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.920
I couldn't have gotten any of that
without the Indiegogo project. So very

521
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.280
good. And have you had a
great response with people saying, hey,

522
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.159
I want to help out. Yeah, it's been pretty good. I mean

523
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:21.159
I have a few people who succeeded
a thousand in their contribution, and I've

524
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:22.719
had a heck of a lot of
people who would just put in like ten

525
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:29.679
or twenty bucks, thirty Bucks.
Yeah. Well, and it seems like

526
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.159
your team has grown. If I
remember correctly, when I first looked at

527
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.400
this, you only had maybe three
people on there. Now they're six.

528
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:42.440
Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
and so we've had one or two actually

529
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.639
drop out, and that was because
of the UFO topic and the media coverage.

530
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.039
But at the same time that that
happens, I had people come forward

531
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.159
that wanted to be involved, and
so I would talk to them. And

532
00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.480
Pat Reagan is one of the fellows
who I took onto the team because he's

533
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.480
got a lot of experience writing for
the UFO phenomenon. And then Matt Lippert.

534
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.039
Matthew Lippert, he's got an amazing
resume when it comes to satellite,

535
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.800
so of course I wanted to get
him involved as well. Yeah, that's

536
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.800
awesome because yeah, he's a CubeSat
specialist. Yeah, and he has successful

537
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.320
launches under his belt. So I
mean that's what you want, right,

538
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:30.599
Really awesome? That is so cool. Yeah, someone with experience, Well

539
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:37.559
that's really exciting. So when it
comes to the fifty thousand dollars number,

540
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.239
you were probably thinking, best case
scenario, this is what I would love

541
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:49.679
to do, I'm guessing and what
were you hoping then that would fund well

542
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:54.119
initially, and that's the data that's
actually still up on the site. I've

543
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.639
got a list for all the expenses
on there, and that would be the

544
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.119
full fifty thousand. So there's your
CubeSat kit with launch, and that would

545
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.920
be just under twenty thousand, actually
nineteen thousand, six hundred and twenty five.

546
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:15.360
And then we had a nanocam see
one new and that would be nine

547
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.599
thousand, and then we'd have a
scintillation counter that was close to five thousand,

548
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.639
and then you've got your down link
and your uplink and that's going to

549
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.079
be between ten and twelve thousand,
and then you've got about five grand for

550
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:35.800
a deployable antenna system. That was
originally what I was aiming for. Of

551
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.199
course, now there's a lot of
options have come forward, like our cameras

552
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:45.039
are going to possibly be a lot
cheaper as well as the launch. I

553
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.880
mean, if we could end up
getting a free launch right there, that

554
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.280
saves us twenty thousand dollars that we
can put towards better instruments, right and

555
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.599
if we get a free launch as
well, and we get that much extra,

556
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.880
we could inquire about getting a higher
orbit that would give us a longer

557
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.360
orbit time to be able to take
our data too deployable intended. Does that

558
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.239
mean that's something that pops out once
it gets up there. Yeah, generally,

559
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:21.280
it's kind of like if you think
of those a little tool belts measuring

560
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.480
tapes, and the way if you
bend it and you let go, it

561
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.519
just kind of snaps straight. Kind
of do that once it ejects out of

562
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.360
the tube, the antenna kind of
just flops straight. Cool. So interesting.

563
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:40.199
So so it's a really cool plan. Now you also include towards the

564
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:45.599
end then your justification for why you
feel you know, it's a good idea

565
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:52.360
to hunt UFOs essentially, And I
guess what was your interest? Have you

566
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:58.079
always been interested in the topic?
No, I actually was a pretty huge

567
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:02.480
skeptic up until a few years ago. I mean, of course it's interesting,

568
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:06.760
but people would tell me they've seen
this and they've seen that, and

569
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.320
I just kind of go like wow, I mean I've never seen anything,

570
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.440
and it would take a lot for
me to believe in such a thing.

571
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.679
I even had a director friend from
la and he'd moved to Vancouver and we

572
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:27.320
worked on some projects and he was
really big. He'd always talk about the

573
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.360
alien technology he's seen in the desert
and all this stuff, and he was

574
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:35.760
a great friend and he was very
trustworthy, but I just I still said,

575
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.599
like, I'd need some really strong
proof to believe those words. Unfortunately,

576
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.800
and then what happened was a high
school friend of mine started sending me

577
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.880
emails about UFO stuff and this and
that, and I kind of just kept

578
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.639
responding with skepticism and shutting him down. And then he just phoned me,

579
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.000
and I hadn't talked to him quite
a while. I was good to talk

580
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.599
talk to you, Jay, Let's
catch up. And he said, it's

581
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:05.679
like some of these things I'm sending
you, and I'm like, yeah,

582
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.400
I know, I'm kind of skeptical. I apologize for that. And then

583
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.880
he said, do you want to
see these things? And I kind of

584
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.719
just, you know, didn't know
how to respond to that. And he

585
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:22.039
then took me close to where I
live, out to Mission and there's a

586
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.840
lake there, and you just we
went there at night and we just kind

587
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:30.960
of sat looking up at the sky
and he explained to me that he had

588
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.320
had a very big sighting off the
coast of California. I believe it was

589
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.000
two thousand and eight, maybe twenty
ten, where he saw a craft that

590
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:45.719
was gigantic in the daylight. It
appeared it stopped traffic. Some people were

591
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.719
screaming in terror, like it was
it was kind of a traumatic event,

592
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.559
apparently really wow. And he said, like ever since he was in touch

593
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:59.000
with Muffon and everyone else. And
he said, ever since that day,

594
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.800
anytime goes looking at night, he
sees something. He seemed to think maybe

595
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.159
they were in tune to him or
something. I don't know. So I

596
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.400
went with him and We're sitting into
the stars and I'm feeling a little bit

597
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.599
creeped out. And you know,
this is strange. I know him and

598
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.400
his story. I can't see why
he would just make something up. And

599
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.679
all of a sudden, these lights
appeared above us, and there was a

600
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.760
couple of little orbs hovering and I'm
zigging and zagging and moving around. And

601
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.159
this is before the time of drones, and it was not helicopters, it

602
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.360
was not planes. I racked my
brain to try to think, is it

603
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.880
possible that some falling stars were somehow
just hitting in the exact same spot,

604
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:45.800
And it just didn't make sense.
So I kind of concluded with my inquisitive

605
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.440
mind that you know, what I
saw was unexplainable and these things looked very

606
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.239
intelligently controlled, and that kind of
crushed my skepticism. I guess, mm

607
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.440
hm, wow, that's an amazing
sighting. Yeah, it was. It

608
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.119
was really crazy, and I ended
up telling all my friends, and I

609
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.159
was really excited. For probably six
months. I took some of my friends

610
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:13.360
out, we had more sightings,
and then my excitement just kind of went

611
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.159
into the background because we see these
things, but you know, what can

612
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:21.760
you do about that? Maybe maybe
it's alien craft, but what can you

613
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:27.920
do about that? Right exactly?
And then that's when recently I had this

614
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.000
idea of, well, why don't
we try to study it and get some

615
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:36.000
actual scientific evidence to back it up
and be really cool. M I did

616
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:43.239
that. Then your siting, I'm
guessing, kind of spawned your your interest.

617
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.519
And then it appears, given the
links that you have in the Indiegogo

618
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:54.800
campaign, that you also did some
research, because unfortunately some of the links,

619
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.119
for instance, that you gave you
have to kind of do some research

620
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.400
to find this in for me out
because it's not like readily available so much.

621
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.880
That's right, Yeah, I did
I definitely started reading about it more.

622
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:15.280
And it's interesting because there's a heck
of a lot of evidence that there's

623
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:22.280
extraterrestrial visitation going on, and the
evidence comes in the form of visual,

624
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.320
video, photograph, but a large
part of this evidence comes from testimony from

625
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.960
highly credible people like we've got I'm
in Canada and our last defense minister once

626
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.719
he retired, he came forward and
said he has knowledge that you know,

627
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.880
there's aliens visiting our planet, and
that's a pretty huge thing to say.

628
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:49.599
But then there's also oodles of like
x Air Force employees, ex Military people

629
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.840
who worked at nuclear facilities, and
they all say they've had sightings, they

630
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:59.920
have knowledge of this technology. It's
not just solar flares, it's not just

631
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.480
whether it's actually, you know,
other beings that are flying around in our

632
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.079
atmosphere. So yeah, there's a
lot of stuff out there. And after

633
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:14.480
doing my research, I found that
there's a compelling amount of evidence. And

634
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:22.440
it's strange actually that it's not accepted
mainstream or at least investigated, because I

635
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.559
mean, if it's true that there's
alien craft flying around our planet, and

636
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:31.199
I think that's important. I think
that the technology involved would be probably enough

637
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:37.360
to clean up our own planet.
Probably some very efficient types of energy that

638
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.199
could help us. And we just
had the climate deal in Paris, like

639
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.639
we need something to replace the coal, right, So yeah, I think

640
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:54.360
it's an important topic. It looks
like your crew is younger, certainly the

641
00:52:54.440 --> 00:53:02.039
original group put together, and even
Matthew are maybe in their twenties. Would

642
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:07.199
that be a bad accurate Yeah,
Pat Reagan's a little older than that,

643
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.960
but yeah, we're all generally pretty
young. And the reason I ask is

644
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:19.039
because do you feel that younger people, or your generation, or maybe even

645
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:25.639
the generation behind you, are more
open to this topic. Yeah, it

646
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:30.880
definitely could be the case. I
mean, Steven Spielberg one of my favorite

647
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:37.119
directors. He very obviously has a
huge interest in this, and people in

648
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.440
my age range have grown up with
his movies. I'm sure you've grown up

649
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:45.679
with his movies, and it's kind
of in the media consciousness. It's been

650
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:51.760
like for my whole life, the
interest in the extraterrestrial issue or the UFO

651
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:57.199
phenomenon. And I guess maybe back
in the forties and fifties it was more

652
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.360
of a scary thing. I mean, they dealing with world wars and bombs

653
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:07.519
coming and some really scary things,
and then sightings would lead to you know,

654
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:13.880
panic, possibly hysteria. There was
that radio show do you remember that?

655
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.360
And they the world, Yeah,
and they staged that and some people

656
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:23.039
actually like freaked out, and I
think there was depths involved. So I

657
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:27.360
think back then maybe it was a
very scary topic and no one had ever

658
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:35.159
really thought about it or explored the
possibility of it, whereas today maybe we

659
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.800
have a more open mind to it. Like they're they're finding evidence of water

660
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.960
on Mars. They're you know,
saying that it's very likely we're going to

661
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:47.360
come across some bacteria very soon in
space. And maybe it's just making more

662
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.840
sense to people that these things are
out there, probably have been out there

663
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.840
for a very long time, and
doesn't mean we have to lose our minds

664
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.360
or lose our cool. We could
study it and be interested in it.

665
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:04.840
Yeah, it's funny you say that, and especially right now because this Christmas.

666
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.800
You know, I've grown up essentially
Star Wars. I was, you

667
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:12.559
know, a little kid when the
first one came up and out, So

668
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:17.199
I've had it in my whole life, let alone all the other stuff.

669
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.599
But this year, more than any
year is like the Christmas of Star Wars,

670
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.599
with the new movie coming out and
everything. And it's just kind of

671
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:34.880
funny that this dichotomy of where we
grow up watching and you know, suspending

672
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:40.400
our belief in our imagination and interacting
with these alien civilizations on a regular basis

673
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:45.760
in the entertainment industry, yet when
it comes to real life, even the

674
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:52.719
consideration it can be taboo. Yeah, exactly, it's interesting. So it

675
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.840
gets kind of kind of strange that
way. And even Spielberg himself, like

676
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:00.199
you had mentioned who I also,
I'm a huge fan and I follow all

677
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.480
of his any time he makes any
comment, and he's he's made more comment

678
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.880
in the last let's say, five
years about UFOs and his interests than he

679
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:17.840
had at any time because he also
is reticent to make that admission or even

680
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.840
go there. And I guess,
unfortunately, you know, we haven't got

681
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:27.599
to interview him about it, but
I'm guessing it's because of the fear of

682
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:32.760
ridicule. Could be and isn't he
I think I had heard somewhere from a

683
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:37.119
friend he was a religious person.
I mean, maybe not extremely, but

684
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:44.320
I think grew up maybe with Catholicism. I thought he was Jewish. Oh

685
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:45.880
sorry, I must be thinking of
a different director. Who am I thinking?

686
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:52.840
But so I'm not sure how religious
he is. But that's another interesting

687
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.920
question. Yeah, I can't remember. I can't play switch director. I

688
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:59.400
mean, and my friend were talking
about I thought it was spiel Word.

689
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:04.719
Maybe someone like DePalma, because he's
done a UFO movie or two, I

690
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.400
believe. But anyway, my thoughts, my thoughts were going to go along

691
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:15.760
the lines of how religions themselves on
Earth. Like it used to be very

692
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:22.599
non accepting of the concept of extraterrestings. But I mean, today the whole

693
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:28.880
view on it has changed. The
Vatican scientists started talking about it. It's

694
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:35.159
not such a taboo thing in the
mainstream religions. So just like that,

695
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.880
in the mainstream media, it used
to be very taboo. Now it seems

696
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.599
more and more they're actually airing like
I mean, I just had an interview

697
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:46.760
on this project with Toronto News twenty
years ago. I don't know if they

698
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:52.920
would have done that same interview,
right. How have your interviews gone.

699
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:59.719
Has there been a lot of tongue
in cheek or has it been surprisingly straightforward?

700
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:07.559
How has it gone? It has
gone actually surprisingly straightforward. If you

701
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:13.199
check out the footage on the Toronto
News there when they first introduced me,

702
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.960
they've both got a smirk on.
But then the fellow interviewing me, he's

703
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.679
asking very straightforward, very real questions, and I felt we kind of stuck

704
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.280
to the science of it. And
then he had brought up a bunch of

705
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.559
sightings, like there was a recent
one here in I think Manitoba where it

706
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:36.320
was thought that something crashed, and
there's all kinds of sightings like it seems

707
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.639
to be kind of a regular occurrence
on the news these days, Like there

708
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:45.159
was the Chicago O'Hare airport one in
two thousand and four or something. Do

709
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:50.360
you remember that, Yeah, two
thousand and eight was eight. That's a

710
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:55.079
great one. Uh huh. That
was crazy. I mean you have staff

711
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.639
members and pilots saying they saw this
disc shoot up into the class from the

712
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.840
airport and then yeah, they covered
it. I don't think they got much

713
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:09.320
backlash, but then people forget about
it. Yeah, yeah, I agree,

714
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:14.760
and and you know, no one's
explained that one. That's an incredible

715
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:16.440
case, a really good one.
And you know what's funny. I don't

716
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:22.599
know if you've ran into this at
all yet, because certainly I've done tons

717
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:30.280
and tons of these media interviews and
I would say about, we'll play the

718
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.679
X Files music, and that gets
really tiresome, you know, actually the

719
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:39.119
second time it happens, it gets
tires in. But then they do it

720
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:45.119
again every time and they think they're
so original. But have you ran across

721
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:52.280
that. I don't know if I
quite understand like how they just where they've

722
00:59:52.360 --> 01:00:00.599
they've kind of been a tongue in
cheek or the entire interview. Actually no,

723
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.800
surprisingly No, yeah, I mean
I had. I had a colleague

724
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.679
of mine, my press guy,
Mark, did an interview. I think

725
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:16.440
he came on right after you actually
on podcast UFO. I'm pretty sure yours

726
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:21.360
was right before his. But I
was sick. I mean, I've had

727
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:22.760
this cold. It was pretty nasty
a week ago, and he did an

728
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:28.960
interview and he didn't have many of
the answers. So in the interview,

729
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.320
I think it was it was very
tough. A couple of callers called in

730
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:37.719
and asked some very hard scientific questions
and he was kind of baffled and fumbling,

731
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:45.880
and I felt really bad. But
the interviewer never said anything ridiculous or

732
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:51.119
never ridiculed his story at all,
took him very seriously. And then afterwards

733
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.679
I just sent an email and I
said, for the answers that that Mark

734
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:59.880
didn't have here, I'll just give
you a quick speel on it. But

735
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:01.679
no, it was never tongue in
cheek at all. Like I mean,

736
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:07.000
podcast UFO. Obviously their interest is
UFO, right, but I haven't had

737
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.880
any of that yet where you know, anyone's trying to make fun of it

738
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.480
or and I'm happy about that.
It's good. Yeah, that's really good.

739
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.400
And what I hope. I mean, it seems like, you know,

740
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:24.559
the topic is out there so much
that and this is where I feel.

741
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.320
You know, I've said this for
years, and unfortunately there's not been

742
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:38.559
an organization to fulfill this role.
But I think UFOs it's ripe for an

743
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:45.039
organization like the SETI of UFOs to
come around, So an organization of scientists

744
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:51.480
who are brave enough to take it
seriously and to speak to the public,

745
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:57.039
you know, and their colleagues on
their level about this topic. Because when

746
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.320
SETI came forward in that manner,
really the whole idea of searching for aliens

747
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:06.440
was made fun of. But now
it's taken very seriously and pretty much everything

748
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.039
SETI does makes news, it seems
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

749
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:14.960
And I think the people who do
inquire about it and study it tend to

750
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.320
be very skeptical themselves. Like like, up all the time, I'll have

751
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:22.280
a friend say, oh, look, look in the sky. There's you

752
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.880
know, there's a lighter, and
I'm usually the first to discredit it and

753
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.000
say, no, sorry, that's
a that's an airplane, that's a helicopter,

754
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:35.559
that's this, that's that. I
think people really studying the stuff are

755
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:43.280
very It's important for them to have
data that's provable and real so we don't

756
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.400
feel that we're fooling ourselves or whatever. Yeah, I myself am very skeptical,

757
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:52.440
and I know a lot of our
listeners or followers are also very skeptical.

758
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:58.280
The average IQ, I'm just just
as a guest. The average IQ

759
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.320
of our listeners is very high,
maybe in the one fifties. This audience

760
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:07.800
is so extremely intelligent. I'm just
I like to button them up once in

761
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:12.719
a while to keep them listening.
But and they're so kind and nice as

762
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:17.079
well. But but know a lot
of skeptics, which is nice too,

763
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:22.480
because you know it's important. Uh
And and that's how you gain credibility and

764
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:30.079
get taken seriously. And not only
that, you know that way your you're

765
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:37.239
taken more serious as well when you
are saying, you know, when you

766
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:42.199
have evidence that you feel is something
that people should look at. If you're

767
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:46.000
you know, someone who's proven themselves
to be careful with the information, then

768
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:51.800
you know you'll get I think it
could only help. Yeah, Like,

769
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:57.159
I don't think I'd ever put anything
out there with a claim unless it was

770
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:00.679
one hundred percent. I mean,
I see a lot of the I have

771
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.280
on my news feed that you know, I have world politics, and I

772
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.840
have technology and science and physics,
but I also have UFO column and so

773
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.039
I get little posts of the YouTube
videos from the space station. They get

774
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:17.800
put up there a lot with different
lightings and unexplained events, and often I

775
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:24.519
kind of I smirk at them because
they're very explainable. There's one on the

776
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:28.840
Google what is it, Google street
View, and there's always a little light

777
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.679
in the in the sky. It's
kind of it's like a little kind of

778
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:35.840
triangle or umbrella looking thing, and
I mean, to me, that's clearly

779
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:41.639
just a reflection of their little car
camera and that's what shows up in so

780
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:46.440
many and for myself, yeah,
to make to make a claim with an

781
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.280
image, I think it would have
to be no other way around it except

782
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:58.800
that it was had to be something
right. That's great too, because I

783
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:03.920
think that it's to behoove you all
to be very familiar with the numerous,

784
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:12.599
like you said, NASA photos and
videos that come out where people mistakenly feel

785
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:17.800
a reflection or a light is something
anomalous when it's not, because you'll probably

786
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:23.039
be faced with the same situation,
I'm sure. Yeah, And which is

787
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.199
great that you all have the attitude
of, you know, being careful with

788
01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:33.119
your your data, because I think
projects like yours are the sort of thing

789
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:40.920
that helped elevate this field. Yeah. I mean, just imagine we do

790
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:46.079
find something and like the like the
Google street View images. One thing is

791
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.480
you start to see a whole bunch
of them and somebody sees the pattern like,

792
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:55.239
well, this is actually this phenomenon
not an unexplainable and that's a good

793
01:05:55.239 --> 01:06:00.559
thing is you explain it. But
if we do find something that's extremely interesting

794
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:03.079
and we can do it for say
we end up being able to do this

795
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:08.559
for twenty thousand dollars, then it
makes it very easy for a second group

796
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:13.840
to go and verify it with the
same experiment. And like you, if

797
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:17.480
you're able to open this to ham
radio frequencies, then I mean virtually anyone

798
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:21.599
can log into the data, look
at it in real time and know like

799
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:26.760
this is unaltered, it's coming directly
from the orbit, and it just makes

800
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.920
it a lot easier to verify things. And I mean, maybe you'll see

801
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.039
something strange, but then the next
experiment shows, oh, well that was

802
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:36.480
you know, a top secret craft
that they've kind of got up flying around.

803
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.360
But maybe you see something massive that
definitely isn't from Earth, right,

804
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:48.559
you never know, yep, yep, yeah, and interestingly enough, and

805
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:51.800
maybe you could speak to this.
I did speak with Martin. I do

806
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:56.760
often, and I guess some of
the people were concerned. They felt like

807
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:02.440
perhaps the radiation counter and the cameras
might not have the sort of range that

808
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:10.920
would make it as useful, right, And I mean, I can understand

809
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:15.920
there's the pros and the cons with
a land based project as well as pros

810
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:19.920
and the cons with an orbit based
project. And I wouldn't really claim that

811
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.960
either is better. I think that
both should be done. Definitely. I

812
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:30.679
think that any angle of experiment you
can put onto something only increases the value

813
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:35.199
of all the data that you have
together, right, And you know to

814
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:41.159
think that along those lines, you
know, we're all down here, people

815
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:45.400
have sightings. They pull out their
iPhone and try to catch it an image

816
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:51.159
or a video of it's vast majority
not being interesting, the small minority being

817
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:55.679
something interesting. You know that we
come across interesting videos. If you could

818
01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:00.920
take your iPhone and put it in
space, in one of the satellite is

819
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.960
it worth two thousand dollars twenty thousand
dollars to do that? And I think

820
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.719
it is? Yeah, I mean
why not on the off chance, yeah,

821
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:16.239
that you find something like they've I'm
sure you've heard of the I think

822
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:24.199
it's called the Citizens Hearing on disclosure, and they a bunch of private individuals.

823
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.239
One til actually got a very generous
donation. I think it was like

824
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:31.760
a million bucks. Put the money
and he got a bunch of ex congress

825
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:38.359
people together, not actual running congress
right now, but ex Congress paid them

826
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:42.279
twenty grand if they were willing to
come and sit on this panel. And

827
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:48.319
they basically did a congressional hearing with
the ex congress people and they explored hundreds

828
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:55.159
and hundreds of witness testimonies of retired
Air Force people and retired at astronauts,

829
01:08:55.159 --> 01:09:01.319
et cetera, and they all had
such compelling evidence that all these ex congress

830
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:08.520
members were pretty much convinced that this
is important. And I think you have

831
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:13.079
all of this and to not to
then go and study it with scientific instruments,

832
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:17.399
I think it's kind of foolish in
my opinion. Yeah, it's worth

833
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.159
doing that. It's exciting. So
yeah, we're going to have one of

834
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:25.439
those guys, Meryll Cook, one
of those congressmen, at our cool our

835
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:28.840
next conference, and he's going to
talk about how he got convinced exactly what

836
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.079
you're saying, how he saw it. He said a lot of testimony was

837
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.920
he's skeptical, but some of it
was compelling enough where he thought, Wow,

838
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:41.359
there's really something here. It's pretty
weird. I mean, it definitely

839
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:45.199
is well cool. Thank you so
much for coming on the show. People

840
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.760
can go to Indigo go. Of
course, we've written a story about your

841
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:57.119
project and we've had it on our
UFO report. So we've been pushing this

842
01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:01.119
because it's so cool and so exciting, and we'll have a link on the

843
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:04.840
show. But if people just go
to Indiegogo, just like it sounds,

844
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:10.479
indigogo dot com, they can look
up CubeSat for disclosure. Probably can even

845
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.640
just look up CubeSat and find you
and put in a donation. There's twenty

846
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:20.520
four days left and hopefully you guys
will then get what you need to.

847
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.159
This was a question I had to
actually, now that I think about it,

848
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:31.479
did the fifty thousand dollars did that
include more than one satellite? No,

849
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.840
it would just be one. Okay, if I mean, say we

850
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:39.479
surpassed that amount and we were able
to do a lot more, we could

851
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:44.800
even do up to a I think
the maximum is a U six that is

852
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:49.640
six cubes stacked on top of each
other. Oh wow, yeah, so

853
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:54.800
then I mean we'd get a ridiculous
amount of information if we could do that.

854
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.119
Yeah, there's a lot to figure
out, because it might be better

855
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.600
to send those one at a time. Once one is true too. Yeah,

856
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:05.960
exactly done. You know, from
your lessons learned, make the next

857
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:11.760
one better, and yeah, keep
continuing to go on. I mean,

858
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.640
if we build it, say we
get a free launch, we build our

859
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:17.840
cubes at, it's got what we
need on it, and there's leftover,

860
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:21.640
then what we would do is just
put that aside, and then as soon

861
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.960
as the satellite burns up in orbit, we could send a second one.

862
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.119
I mean, it would be very
cool if this became a yearly thing where

863
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:35.119
we continually monitored and had our own
open source of data. Would be really

864
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:41.159
cool. And what's cool too,
is it seems as though you know,

865
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:45.279
with the addition, you're very open
to input. So if some of these

866
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:49.840
people who have these concerns about some
of the equipment you're putting on your CubeSat

867
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:54.479
and they have better ideas, I'm
sure you would love to hear from them.

868
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.960
I would definitely. And what is
the best way for them to get

869
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:02.720
a hold of you? Then the
best way you can actually just go to

870
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:08.760
indiegogo dot com search CubeSat. You'll
see the project page and you can actually

871
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:13.560
send a message through there. And
what it does is it sends an anonymous

872
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.720
message that I can then respond to. That way, neither of us end

873
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:21.000
up disclosing our email addresses to each
other. I mean, at a later

874
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:25.840
point we can decide to start to
talk about email instead or phone. But

875
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:30.239
I think that's the best way for
strangers to first connect is just go right

876
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.479
for the Indiegog site and it'll send
an anonymous message. Then I can send

877
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:39.039
an anonymous message back. And I
mean I've chatted with a whole bunch of

878
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.319
people that way and it seems to
work well, perfect, and that also

879
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:46.840
allows input from hopefully some people in
the space industry are in the know who

880
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:54.079
don't want to disclose their names exactly. Yeah, perfect, awesome. Well,

881
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:56.840
thank you so much. I hope
you feel better. Thank you so

882
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.159
much for making the time to come
on the show. No worries. Thank

883
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:04.039
you so much for having me on. Thank you so much to David Kote

884
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:09.520
for being on the show. This
cute sat project, I think is very

885
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:14.279
very exciting, how cool it would
be, and it's cool that he's open

886
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.840
sourcing everything so we can all take
a look. So I am just terribly,

887
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:24.319
terribly excited for this project. I'm
so happy that he's got enough funding

888
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:29.399
where it'll definitely happen. So it's
gonna be so fun when he gets his

889
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.399
website open going and they get the
satellite up there and we're able to look

890
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:39.119
at pictures and watch some video and
whatever other telemetry he gets. And for

891
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:43.640
those of you you know who do
have criticism, So like Martin talked about,

892
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:45.279
you know, people were saying,
hey, you can't use this or

893
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:50.159
that, or this isn't gonna work. Please do get that information over to

894
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:57.960
them because that'll make for a better
satellite. And you know, crowdsourcing funds

895
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:03.319
is one thing that's of course very
helpful, but crowdsourcing thought, you know,

896
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:10.359
the brain power and the and the
whole brainstorming to make this project as

897
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:17.279
successful and useful as possible is great. So get your information over to them

898
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:23.920
at their cube sat for disclosure indiego
go so that they can have as cool

899
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:29.319
of a and more and as useful
as a product as possible. And then

900
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.920
you know, once they launch this
one and it burns up in the atmosphere

901
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:38.199
and dies after they get all their
hard work and money to get it up

902
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:42.600
there, you know that'll give us
all some insights so we'll be able to

903
01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:47.520
or someone will be able to make
a better, bigger and better satellite going

904
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:51.239
forward. Because I have a feeling
this is just going to be the beginning

905
01:14:51.960 --> 01:15:00.520
of you know, private civilian satellites
up in space. How exciting is that?

906
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:02.720
That's so cool? So I'm really
excited for that. Good luck to

907
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:10.359
him and his project and the rest
of the group there. Otherwise, thank

908
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.560
you to Martin Willis for joining us
for the news and sharing the news about

909
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:19.119
Art Bell very interesting. I hope
that you know, everything goes well for

910
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:24.760
for mister Bell there. I hope
that you know, his family remained safe

911
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:30.479
and that all of his concerns get
taken care of, and that he goes

912
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.840
on to live a happy and a
happy life. I know he's got,

913
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:38.680
you know, a daughter who's pretty
young that he's taken care of. I

914
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.439
know that it is very important to
him being a father, So I hope

915
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:47.479
everything goes well. And you know, after all, you can't fault someone

916
01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:57.880
for focusing on their parental responsibilities and
wanting to prioritize being a good parent,

917
01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:03.720
because really that's that is so super
important. And I have a great respect

918
01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:11.880
for people who, you know,
focus on their children and making sure that

919
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:16.960
their children grow up safe and happy
and well. So I hope everything goes

920
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.800
well for him, and I hope
everything goes well for the other shows that

921
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:25.800
were on his network, because there
were some great shows. There's some great

922
01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:30.600
people, and I hope everything goes
okay. Doctor j in fact, who's

923
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:35.560
on his network will be at the
UFO Congress. He'll be introducing Meryl Cook,

924
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:40.199
who's a friend of his and who
he helped us get at the UFO

925
01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:45.840
Congress. So Meryl Cook being the
congressman that I mentioned earlier. So it's

926
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:48.279
going to be a fun UFO Congress. And speaking of the UFO Congress,

927
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.800
I don't think I've told all of
you listeners yet because it's only happened like

928
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:57.239
in the last week or so.
The schedule is up, so that's what

929
01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:01.840
Martin was referring to. On Sunday, you'll see special guests. We have

930
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:06.359
an announced that special guest, but
this is really exciting. We hopefully will

931
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:12.239
re announcing that anytime now, so
that's going to be really cool. But

932
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:16.399
otherwise you can see the entire schedule
and the amazing lineup. This is the

933
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:23.279
twenty fifth anniversary of the UFO Congress, and I think our lineup is befitting

934
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:28.239
of the twenty fifth anniversary. It
really is going to be something special.

935
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:30.680
You'll be able to see what I
mean when you go look at all the

936
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:38.560
speakers and the schedule. There so
really exciting event this year, of course

937
01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:43.760
last year was exciting. Every year
is so I'm just so happy that I

938
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:48.800
think we are following up with an
equally as impressive conference this year as last

939
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:53.039
year a lot of people were saying, how are you gonna top that?

940
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:59.840
Well, go look at UFO Congress
dot com and you'll see how we're top

941
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.039
and that so really cool stuff and
I'd love to meet you there. It's

942
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:11.840
always exciting to meet my listeners because
the Open Mind's UFO radio listeners are just

943
01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:15.880
amazing people, some of the most
amazing people on the planet and off planet,

944
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:21.560
because I who knows, there could
be off planet people listening to our

945
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:27.720
podcast every week and that would be
cool. We definitely have people from all

946
01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:32.039
over the world, so it's a
lot of fun. Let's see what else

947
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:36.159
the UFO Report on YouTube. Check
that out and if you haven't seen it,

948
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:43.439
we have an Allygash documentary on YouTube. So Michael Klein are our video

949
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.760
guy. He put together an amazing
documentary with the interviews we have from the

950
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:54.079
gentleman from Ali Gash Main who say
or believe they may have had an abduction

951
01:18:54.239 --> 01:19:00.000
experience, but they've had an amazing
UFO sighting and this documentary is really cool.

952
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:01.960
So we have it up on YouTube
for free check that out. We

953
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:08.279
also have on our website the Travis
Walton panels. So I talked about a

954
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:13.479
lot about the Skyfire Summit, which
was a fortieth anniversary event for Travis Walton,

955
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:18.439
and it was in Hebre near where
the site where the Travis Walton experience

956
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:26.119
happened. Another very credible possible alien
abduction experience, a really credible case.

957
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.279
And what's really cool about this is
that you know, at this fortieth anniversary

958
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:33.479
event that took place last month,
there were a couple of people involved with

959
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:39.279
the case forty years ago who haven't
really spoken to the public before or often,

960
01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:43.680
and that being that you can see
on some of these panels. In

961
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:48.239
the witness panel, we had Mike
Rogers, John Goulet, Goulette, and

962
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:54.840
Travis Walton. Mike Rodgers being the
guy who was kind of the lead character

963
01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:58.840
in the movie Fire in the Sky
if you saw that, but of course

964
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:03.520
he was the he of the logging
group that went out there and saw this

965
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:08.800
UFO and saw Travis get beamed by
it, so he was there. He

966
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:15.640
had some really interesting things to say, including some guilt attached to leaving Travis

967
01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:18.800
after they saw him get beamed or
something so that's really cool. And then

968
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:27.560
also the other panel was the investigation
panel with Chuck Ellison, who is a

969
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.319
police officer that was first on the
scene, so we get to hear,

970
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:34.359
now he hasn't talked with these guys
in decades, nobody really knew what he

971
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:39.000
was going to say, but you're
gonna be able to hear what his thoughts

972
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:43.920
were about talking with these guys after
the events took place. And then also

973
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:48.479
Travis's brother, Dwayne, I think
his name. I'm pretty sure I have

974
01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:53.279
that right. I apologize if I
do not, But Travis's older brother,

975
01:20:53.760 --> 01:21:00.640
and his perspective is around how he
thought law enforcement was handling things. Also,

976
01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:03.760
we have some people interact with Chuck
Ellison to talk about how they felt

977
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:10.000
law enforcement handle things when this all
happened, and also how he dealt with

978
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:13.199
the media and everything else. You
know, the family had the media coming

979
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.359
down on them and a lot going
on during that time. So we got

980
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:21.479
some insights in these videos that you
haven't seen, nobody's seen anywhere else.

981
01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:27.199
So really important events. And we've
got have those DVDs. They're only ten

982
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:30.399
dollars each and we have them up
on the store on Open Minds we can

983
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.039
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984
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:36.880
If you go to open Minds at
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985
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:41.199
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986
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.079
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987
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.159
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988
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:55.159
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989
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:59.680
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990
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:03.840
And you can go subscribe, or
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991
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:09.159
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992
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:11.840
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993
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.680
Anyway, thank you to Caleb Haiks
for the opening and close music, and

994
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.359
thank you all for listening. I
don't think we'll be able to have a

995
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:25.159
show. Yeah, we'll probably have
a show before the holidays. I'll do

996
01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:27.720
my best to get one out next
week. I should be able to.

997
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:35.039
But until then you all have a
great holiday season. Don't get trampled at

998
01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:41.439
the walmarts. Be careful out there
with your holiday shopping. Thank you all

999
01:22:41.560 --> 01:23:41.239
so so much for listening and audio's
mood. Chutchos and mus