WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:07.360 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:12.800 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.640 nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.679 and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:30.199 the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome. 6 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:36.719 It is Alejandro Rojas with Open Minds Radio and I am excited today. I'm 7 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:41.320 always excited for the show, but we have a wonderful guest tonight that is 8 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:48.359 Peter Robbins. And one of the reasons I'm so excited is that the Roswell 9 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:52.479 Festival is coming up this weekend. I will be speaking on Friday. That 10 00:00:52.799 --> 00:01:00.240 is Roswell, New Mexico, and they have a festival every year during the 11 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:06.560 fourth of July weekend in order to in the anniversary of the alleged crash of 12 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:10.719 the UFO out there. So I'm excited. I'm gonna be talking about Roswell's 13 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:18.439 cultural impacts to our culture and actual international culture. So I'll be going over 14 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:21.599 some of Roswell and media and stuff like that, and I've been working on 15 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:25.000 the talk and I'm excited to deliver it. I've got lots of cool clips 16 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.280 of movies and stuff like that. But Peter is putting together at Roswell Festival 17 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.280 all by himself. Actually it's the whole city of Roswell and even some new 18 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:40.840 Mexico Visitor Bureau fund to help out. So he's not doing it all by 19 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.040 himself, but he could if he wanted to. He is that impressive of 20 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:51.439 a little fella. He has done a lot of research also on the Rendelsham 21 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.239 Forest case. In fact, he wrote a book with Larry Warren that was 22 00:01:55.280 --> 00:02:00.480 a best seller called Left at Eastgate and Rendal Sham. We've talked about James 23 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:06.079 Peniston on and this was a UFO that had invaded the space of an American 24 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.879 base we were actually leasing out there in the UK, the Bentwaters Air Force 25 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:14.599 Base. So an exciting case that Peter is a part of it. It's 26 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:20.680 the thirty annivers thirtieth anniversary of that event this year, so hopefully we'll be 27 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:27.039 doing something cool with some of those witnesses later this year, but if not, 28 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:32.000 at least our next magazine. The fourth issue of Open Minds Magazine, 29 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:39.000 which we are getting ready for, will mostly highlight the Rendelsham Forest incident. 30 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:45.960 Extremely exciting, and I know that people who have read our first two issues 31 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.759 are just jumping up and down with joy out of excitement. They're probably there's 32 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.000 growing men out there jumping up and down and giggling like little girls. I 33 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.879 know it out there, which is great. Thank you for your excitement, 34 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.360 and thank you for every one who's given us a lot of great feedback on 35 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.680 our magazine. I notice there's a guy in the chat who there's a pretty 36 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.840 cool dude, and he used to come into our chats before the profit Jackal. 37 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.479 He calls himself now, but Jackal does his own show. Thanks for 38 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.159 coming back, Jackal. He's a cool guy. I wanted to say hello. 39 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.400 We'll be saying hello to some other friends that we'll be calling in to 40 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.400 talk to Peter as well later. So I'm really excited about Roswell Come Out. 41 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:32.360 It starts on Thursday this Thursday and it goes through the weekend. They 42 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:39.719 have an excellent fireworks display and you heard from Pete Paul David's last week who 43 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.840 has a movie about Rosweld he's gonna be showing that, and he's gonna be 44 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:50.120 showing his new narrative movie as well. That's gonna be really exciting. So 45 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.599 it's just gonna be a good time and you'll be able to see that reflected 46 00:03:54.680 --> 00:04:00.240 in our excitement when me and Peter talk later today. However, before we 47 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:05.520 get to that. On our excellent website Open mindstat TV, we do UFO 48 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:12.039 News, so we're always highlighting on a practically daily basis the news items that 49 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.600 are out there in conventional media all across the world. And every week we 50 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:23.600 bring our news correspondent, Jason McClellan to let us in on what's going on. 51 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:28.920 Jason, what you got for us, buddy for reading Zolohandro Hello, 52 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:31.680 Phoenix said, hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, 53 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:38.199 June twenty eighth, twenty ten. A crop circle appeared in a field 54 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:43.480 in Wiltshire, England last week during the summer solstice. The summer solstice is 55 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.040 traditionally a time of peace and love, so this crop circle is all the 56 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.560 more interesting because it appeared in the field that is near a wooded area, 57 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:55.399 in the shape of a heart. People flocked to see the formation, but 58 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.959 the farm's manager, who viewed the croft circle as vandalism, quickly posted a 59 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.240 methods on a crop circle enthusiast's website encouraging people to stay away from his field. 60 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:09.680 The farms manager said he will be posting signs and regularly monitoring the field 61 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.199 to make sure that people will stay away from his crops and make sure they 62 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:17.319 don't get trampled, a common complaint from those who have fields on which crop 63 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:24.199 circles appear. Another crop circle appeared in England last week in a field near 64 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:30.519 Inkpen. Hundreds of crop circle enthusiasts from all over Europe flocked to see the 65 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.360 design. Some claimed the circle gave them healing powers, while others claim to 66 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:38.879 have found a crystal in the middle of the crop circle. However, someone 67 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.439 who lives near the field suspects this particular circle was made by humans because he 68 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.240 claims he can see where someone put a peg in the middle and walked around 69 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.120 with the board. That could certainly be the case, but it could also 70 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:54.839 be his way of downplaying the mystery of the crop circle to get rid of 71 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:59.600 the hundreds of people congregating near his home. Generally, scientists have avoided getting 72 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.000 involved with crop circles for fear of being ridiculed, but those who have scientifically 73 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:09.560 studied the mysterious formations are still puzzled by them. Scientific research has shown that 74 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:15.199 the crops in some formations have been superheated, causing stems to causing steam to 75 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.279 blow holes in the stem nodes, which could indicate the use of microwave radiation 76 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:24.240 and the creation process. Very varying theories have been put forward, ranging from 77 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:30.319 the testing and calibration of secret military weapons, to weather phenomena like ball lightning 78 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.000 and vortices of air and heat, and of course UFOs. These are theories, 79 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:40.000 though, and science remains puzzled by the phenomenon. It's exciting to see 80 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.439 that story about the science of crop circles because those are always exciting. We 81 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.360 have Nancy talban On who is pretty much the authority when it comes to crop 82 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.839 circle science, and my humble opinion, because she's got that she follows it 83 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:56.319 so closely, and you know, it's hard to explain some of those things. 84 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:00.519 And already it's always exciting when it comes around to the summertime because that's 85 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:09.879 the crop circle season in England and today that crop circle that they that hit 86 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:15.120 the news was impressive. There's two hundred separate circles inside of this giant crop 87 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.240 circle design. H They're really incredible. I've never been inside one, but 88 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:27.079 I've heard it's just remarkable to actually walk a crop circle and experience just how 89 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:31.439 massive they are and intricate the designs are. It's really cool. And you're 90 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.199 right. The one that appeared today or whenever it appeared, was quite large 91 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.199 and the picture shows it next to some woods and yeah, just massive. 92 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.000 Yeah, well, we're gonna have to go check out the crop circles. 93 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.759 Let's do it. Go with a Well, we've got a lot of buddies. 94 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.560 Barbara Lamb goes out every year. I think him Moussana is our buddy 95 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:50.839 goes out. So we got a lot of friends we can go with. 96 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.439 Well, we've got to make sure we don't go where this guy has designs 97 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:59.199 posted. He's pretty angry. Yeah, we'll avoid that. Well. In 98 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.480 other news, that witness and Oklahoma reported seeing a burning, elongated object with 99 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:09.199 white flashing lights heading over the horizon last Monday night. Because of its trajectory 100 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.399 and because the object appeared to be on fire, the witness was sure the 101 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:18.079 flying object had crashed. Thirty six square miles were searched from the air and 102 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:24.839 on land, but crews found no wreckage, and Pottawami County authorities have called 103 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.600 off the search that yet because they said there was no crash, there was 104 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.679 no radar of anything there, and there was no plane they knew of being 105 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.759 in the area. But this guy definitely says he saw something. So that's 106 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.279 why I thought it was a good UFO story, because what the heck was 107 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:46.440 this sing? Well, and it's also interesting that they would actually spend the 108 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:52.720 manpower to go out and search if it was just based off of one person's 109 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.559 call I saw something go down, you know that happens those calls. They 110 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.600 get called like that all the time. Well, we haven't heard anything about 111 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:03.320 it. We didn't see anything on the radar. Yeah, that's nice. 112 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.440 But the fact that they allocated the time and the manpower to go out and 113 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:13.480 search this area, it's kind of fishy. Must have been a respected person 114 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.480 in the community and he must have been adamant about what he saw. It's 115 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.080 fascinating. I hope we hear more about it. Yeah, it's kind of 116 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.399 cool that this flaming object would go down and there's no trace of it, 117 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.879 yeah, exactly. And our sighting for the week comes from Saratoga County, 118 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.320 New York, where our witness captured a silent, white cigar shaped UFO on 119 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:39.159 video. The object was seen during the day and was flying at an estimated 120 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.600 altitude of five hundred feet. The witness claims that a small plane was following 121 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.600 the object, but in the outer focus video, I didn't see a small 122 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.480 plane, but that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't there. The video is extremely 123 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.679 poor quality, but still it's interesting to watch the unidentifiable object move through the 124 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.240 sky. Yeah. And it's neat too, you know. I always think 125 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.919 it's exciting when conventional media takes he things serious, you know, and post 126 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.759 the video. Yeah, like this one did. They weren't making fun of 127 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.240 it or anything. I mean, they must have been moved by this video 128 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.480 themselves and they put it up and it is an interesting video. But videos 129 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:22.039 these days are so difficult because anything can be created on video, which of 130 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.679 course we see that in our movies every day. But there was a story. 131 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.519 Of course I didn't really post it because it was hoaxing. But this 132 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:35.360 guy called the UFO hoaxer, and he doesn't like to actually make people think 133 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.840 that his videos are real. He puts on there, really big, this 134 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.759 is not real. This is just my own CGI little project, and he 135 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.840 does he's at home for fun and they look amazing, they look incredible, 136 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.360 and a lot of people get fulled. And it's funny with Ell even say, 137 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.720 oh, I don't care if you are saying that you created this. 138 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.879 I think this is real, which frustrates him because he doesn't want to be, 139 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.039 you know, tricking people. He just wants to highlight his CGI skills, 140 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:07.080 which are incredible. And even the videos you know that CGI inside you 141 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.200 have the most basic, crappy video. Yeah, you know, I think 142 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.519 a lot of people see what they want to see. You know, if 143 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.519 you have an out of focused video where there's an object in the sky, 144 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.159 it could be anything. Yeah, but you know, there's so many videos 145 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.080 that are captured spur of the moment that are remarkable things in the sky that 146 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.480 have no explanation. But just judging by the video, if we weren't there, 147 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.120 we can't really tell what it was. Yeah, exactly, so everybody. 148 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.360 That's why people have a hard time with the people who have this evidence, 149 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:43.679 because unless you're there, you don't really believe people because you can't tell 150 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.159 yep, people say, where's the video, where's the photos? They're out 151 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.080 there, but just that's not enough anymore. Right, the bar is raised 152 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.759 and we need more than that. Well, in every video, people want 153 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.519 tripods. I don't always have a tripod with me, and I understand that 154 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.840 problem. But they don't have iPhone tripods yet, iPhone trifons. That's coming. 155 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.720 So right, that's it for the news. Remember to check out these 156 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.320 stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. 157 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.200 I'm your Open Minds News correspondent Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed back to 158 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.480 you, Alejandro. All right, thank you, Jason. I wanted to 159 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.399 mention a couple of cool stories that we had on our website before we go 160 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.519 to break here, a couple of stories where we kind of broke the story 161 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.759 we got there. First. First, the European Union, one of their 162 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:35.320 parliamentarians has actually asked and you put through a bill for them to well, 163 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.720 I don't know if they call them bills, but essentially a request for all 164 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:43.600 of the countries related to the EU to release their UFO information and to make 165 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.639 one unit that investigates UFOs, so really interesting. That'd be great if the 166 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.240 European Union did that. Of course Britain has released files and things like that. 167 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.919 Also a story that we released was Mariccio Bayada, who of course you 168 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.919 guys know, has looked into course and did a lot of interviews with Corso 169 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.600 back in Italy, and he released found some video that showed Courso saying he 170 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.480 had talked to Bobby Kennedy about UFOs and he believes Bobby talked to his brother 171 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.000 about UFOs. So those are some great stories we have up at Openminds dot 172 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.120 Tv. When we come back, we'll talk to Peter Robbins about Roswell, 173 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:33.480 so stay tuned. 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To the UFO 181 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:03.159 Congress dot com from more information, including sponsorship and vendor opportunities. You're listening 182 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:09.000 to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. 183 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.480 Hello and welcome back. This is Alejandro Rojas, and you know what I 184 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.519 was thinking. I said a couple of things about one of the guys that's 185 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.000 in the chat, and he's a good guy, but I should mention a 186 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:26.120 couple of the other regulars paranormal guys, thanks for joining us, and also 187 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.279 my good buddy STS drug and that guy's kind of crazy. So if you 188 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:35.159 want to see some of the crazy stuff that he types and the chat log 189 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.759 in and that this is actually the blog chot Chat which Paranormal Guys has a 190 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.440 radio show, so does Jackal, but STS does it. You're gonna have 191 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:48.799 to get one and a guest of many radio shows, and he might have 192 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:56.120 even been on Jackal's radio show. Is our extraordinary guests today and that is 193 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:03.200 the one and only Pa throw Rob. That's the Italian version of your name, 194 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.600 Peter. It is indeed. How you doing tonight, Elandro Good? 195 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.200 How are you okay? A little spaced out? I got to Rosweld a 196 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.480 couple hours ago and hitting the floor running as they say, we'll do this 197 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.399 interview, try to catch up on some email, get some sleep, and 198 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.639 another interview at eight in the morning. Here. Yep, you're always a 199 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:28.639 busy fella. Sure, I am now in high demand. So did you 200 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.240 fly out there to Albuquerque and then drive to Roswell. No? When I 201 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.399 first started coming out here, that is just what I did. But now, 202 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:45.279 thanks to the visionaries at American Airlines, you can now fly from major 203 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:52.480 hubs to Dallas Fort Worth and changed to an American Eagle I think is a 204 00:15:52.480 --> 00:16:02.240 subsidiary and it flies directly to Roswell. So it's not only easy, it's 205 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.320 quick. And I was in Brooklyn this morning and here I am, and 206 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:11.639 the visitors and convention bureau today. Oh man, I feel like a total 207 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:18.200 chump because I'm driving. I didn't know that I will now be spending six 208 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:22.559 or seven hours on the road. But that's okay. It's a lovely desert 209 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.879 country, that'll be yeah, yeah, nothing wrong with that. Well, 210 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.039 it's good to have you on the show again, and I want to talk 211 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.240 a lot about Roswell. And one of the first questions I want to ask 212 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:38.000 you about is, to you, what makes this fest of All important? 213 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.519 Well, that's a great question to start out with, Alejandro, and it 214 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:49.080 is one that calls for a multiple answer. The most obvious is because the 215 00:16:49.120 --> 00:17:00.799 event itself that it commemorates is worthy of a significant anniversary for any of us, 216 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:07.720 of course, that are seriously involved in this work. Roswell is certainly 217 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.680 a very well established and singularly important incident, in fact, uniquely important, 218 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:22.599 But for many of us it's almost a buzzword for the UFO mystery. However, 219 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.640 the reasons this is important are several fold. One thing that we've talked 220 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:33.599 about and it is a point of contention among some of our colleagues, and 221 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:41.880 I certainly grasp both sides of the aisle on this, which is if the 222 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:48.400 reality and implications of our subject are what we feel they are, which is 223 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:56.480 paradigm shifting, shocking beyond belief, a subject that has kind of created a 224 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:03.880 cultural schizophrenia world since the end of World War Two, where some people walk 225 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:10.039 around with an appreciation for this and others, you know, kind of live 226 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:15.039 in a dream world that people like us are all just deluding themselves or you 227 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:22.759 know, fakers or a skilled class that we want to feel special. It 228 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:30.480 seemed to me years ago that how come this subject hadn't just exploded into kind 229 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.359 of a event. Let's face it, one of the things that we human 230 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:41.839 beings are good at is try to find ways of avoiding things that make us 231 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.519 anxious. And it seems so natural to me that if aliens and UFOs are 232 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:53.359 real and the implications are what they are, then what a better There really 233 00:18:53.440 --> 00:19:00.240 is no better way to deal with your anxieties except by, you know, 234 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.240 having a little fun at the expense of the producer of the anxiety, whether 235 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:10.319 or not you overtly take it seriously or you don't. The other aspect is, 236 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.799 let's face it, the subjects of aliens and UFOs have so deeply ingrained 237 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:22.559 themselves into the popular culture that we live in now that you and I were 238 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:27.799 born into, and not just in this country but worldwide, that there should 239 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.839 be an event like this, and as we know, there are several, 240 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:37.079 but to come down to one more reason, and I think it's as important 241 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:44.039 in the human area as any we can think of. If this had never 242 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:49.160 happened, the events of the summer of nineteen forty seven in the plains of 243 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.319 Corona, not that far from where I'm sitting right now, and maybe let's 244 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.440 say there have never been such a thing as a UFO or an alien and 245 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:02.880 we are indeed alone in the universe, and everything else is static condent. 246 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:08.359 What would be going on in this particular little southwest city of fifty three thousand 247 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:12.359 people, Well, lots of things. People will be having families, businesses, 248 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.759 following their dreams, all that stuff. But because of fate, circumstance, 249 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.599 and history, they have a name that is world famous for many people 250 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:30.920 for flighty silly reasons, for others for very important reasons. And like every 251 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.359 other municipality in the United States right now, times are hard, their backs 252 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:40.240 are to the wall. And this is one of a tiny handful of locations 253 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:48.119 in the world that can lay claim to a legitimate UFO event of such proportion 254 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:56.119 that it is worthy of developing a certain amount of tourist destination thinking toward it, 255 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:02.799 so I'd like to think that the sweep of events that we're going to 256 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:06.279 have here, and it's quite mind blowing. Over the four days from the 257 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.119 first to the fourth of July, a lot of people are going to come 258 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:14.920 here just for fun. It's family friendly, it's kid friendly. But you 259 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.039 and I know that there's going to be a percentage of them that are coming 260 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.519 here for the remarkable symposium that we have running on the second and third, 261 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:27.480 very roswell focus. Great speakers, lineup wonderful topics, and they'll be people 262 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:33.559 drifting in because it is a free conference. So while people are helping this 263 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:40.559 community out, making it giving it, I would imagine its best physical week 264 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:44.279 of the year. As far as the business folks here, they can have 265 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.480 a good time with their families, and whether they know it or like it 266 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:52.319 or not, there will be a certain amount of covert education going all right, 267 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.920 And I think all of those are our kind of self involved. I've 268 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.240 had colleagues that have said to me, and I won't even name names, 269 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:11.119 but they're major names. How can you even be involved with something where this 270 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.200 subject, which we know you take so seriously, is in any way tied 271 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:22.920 to the word festival. It's just too serious, and of course it's serious. 272 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:29.559 My rule is yeah, since two thousand and three when I worked at 273 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:34.079 the McMinnville, Oregon UFO Festival. It was quite an eye opener. It 274 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:40.359 was an awful lot of fun, and they had this absolutely focused, really 275 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:45.440 well realized small conference. If it's not if the humor, if the good 276 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:53.039 natured stuff, if the lighterhearted stuff, is not condescending or sarcastic or insulting, 277 00:22:53.480 --> 00:23:00.960 but instead a pure, kind of innocent celebration of these subjects as they 278 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:06.039 kind of entered into the real world and as they touch on our fantasies and 279 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:10.839 the tremendous amount of entertainment which is yet wrung out of them, and continues 280 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.559 and well, and we got to go to break. But I'm glad you 281 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.279 brought up that question, because that was the exact question I was going to 282 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:23.119 ask, is that festival type atmosphere and how some of the serious researchers get 283 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:27.799 frustrated around that. But hold your thought. We'll get back to that when 284 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:32.839 we come back from break. 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All right, we are back and you're listening 293 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:38.119 to open Minds Radio, and we have one of my favorite people out there, 294 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:42.319 Peter Robbins, on the air with us, and before we went to 295 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:47.160 break, you brought up a couple of things. One thing that's really funny 296 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:52.519 is you asked the question what if Roswell never happened? And that's exactly the 297 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.920 first the opening line of my talk out there in Roswell, Because you know, 298 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:03.880 I was thinking, what challenge to do a talk on Roswell and how 299 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.440 it affected culture? And I thought, well, what if Roswell didn't happen? 300 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.839 And that was like a holy cred You know what if Risweld didn't happen, 301 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:18.640 that's actually it means a lot. Yes it does. And again for 302 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.839 many of us, you know, in our field, this was one of 303 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:30.759 the first cases that we heard of. The name itself is absolutely known around 304 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:36.799 the world, not in every single corner by every single person, but I 305 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.920 flew in from Brooklyn this morning, and it's another one of those names that 306 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.079 just resonates in a way. You know, not to be dispassionate, but 307 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.400 it is essentially a brand, if you were, that makes people think of 308 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:56.240 a certain product, mystery, unanswered questions, anxiety, all of the what 309 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:03.359 ifs that associate themselves with our not being alone in the university. It also 310 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:10.640 suggests to many of us cover up, secrecy, repression of facts, false 311 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.920 democracy, secret government, and you know, every other kind of term that 312 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.240 you can come up with that And may I compliment you on what an amazing 313 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:23.680 way to begin a lecture at a Roswell centric conference. Yeah, well, 314 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:29.599 thank you, thank you, but yeah go ahead, Yeah, no, 315 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:36.000 I think again, it really is important for all the reasons I enumerated, 316 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:41.200 and it also, as you know, if you go to a UFO conference, 317 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.680 more often than not, you feel you're in a safe space where you 318 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:52.839 could chat casually with somebody that you just met about this subject that normally you 319 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:59.519 would not be the one to introduce in a neutral kind of social situation. 320 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:07.799 And here we are expecting thousands of people. I mean thousands. I'm sure 321 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.640 again many of them are coming just out of curiosity or to have a good 322 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.279 time, or because it's nearby, or so many of the attractions are free, 323 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.039 but many of them are coming because they do take this subject seriously, 324 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:26.279 and it's not something they're necessarily comfortable talking about, either because they're intellectually curious 325 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.160 about it, or they've had a sighting or they've had an experience, and 326 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:36.359 they know the level of conditioning by our media and our government something that you 327 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.039 and I are quite studied in, right, and why you know so many 328 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.319 people are just reflexively conditioned not to take it seriously when maybe in their heart 329 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.200 of hearts they feel quite otherwise. Well, you mentioned something earlier, and 330 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.599 you know, like we talked about with people getting frustrated about the festival atmosphere 331 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.480 and a lot of people coming to have fun, But you know that's not 332 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:02.839 a bad thing. Like you said, there are people who are uncomfortable with 333 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.559 this subject. And one thing that used to strike me is I was taking 334 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.079 college courses the last few years trying to learn some more about psychology, and 335 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:17.880 at the same time, what I used to be doing was a corporate trainer 336 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.400 and a manager of a corporate training department and things like that. But the 337 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:27.440 difference when you go to college, you know, you're professor ishah lah blah 338 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.200 blah blah, you're supposed to learn what they're just kind of talking, and 339 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.920 the corporate atmospherit's different. We're doing, like you had said earlier, We're 340 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:45.400 trying to make this fun and make sure people are intrigued and teaching them, 341 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.880 educating them without them even knowing, because we all know in the corporate world 342 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.279 these people could just leave or not pay attention, and then you send them 343 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.759 out there and they don't know their jobs. So you've got to try to 344 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:03.039 trick them into getting educated. And that's an important aspect of what I think 345 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:11.519 happens at Roswell. Yeah. Also, because we have so many options of 346 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:18.000 things that we designed into this. For example, myself and Karen Dolan, 347 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.200 who of course will also be one of our distinguished speech speakers, we will 348 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:30.279 be dividing up several hours of time here in a wonderful location in the Visitors 349 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:36.319 Bureau to do a series of workshops on you UFOs for children, and that 350 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.119 is something that most folks in our field steer a wide berth around. Karen, 351 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:47.759 of course, is kind of carved out in part a research specialty that 352 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:52.000 she won't be addressing in her talk next week, but one that she is 353 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.160 doing a brilliant job in which is the impact of this subject on children. 354 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:02.319 Everything from the innocent aspect of you know, using happy aliens to sell your 355 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.960 kids ice cream, to a kid walking in while mom and dad are watching 356 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.240 a really serious documentary on abductions, or if the kid has had their own 357 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.119 sighting or experience, who what have you. I've done a few of these 358 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:22.799 in the States and in the UK and approach it very very carefully and don't 359 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.119 feel kids' heads up with a lot of stuff. Essentially, it's an opportunity 360 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.359 to ask them the questions and let them begin to get the momentum going, 361 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:37.359 and you will speak to very few children. Are actually very few people under 362 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:47.880 thirty who have the kind of doubts that more serious dodgy folks are either older 363 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:55.119 mentally or emotionally do have in fact most younger people. What is the problem, 364 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.640 Why does you know? Why do people get weirded out about this? 365 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.519 Yeah, you know the odds are of course, that's just nonsense to feel 366 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:06.119 otherwise. And it's fun to talk to kids about this and ask the questions, 367 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.759 like you said, because they come up with some really fun and interesting 368 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.799 men stuff and really, but it is sometimes along the lines of let's say, 369 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.319 you know, doctor Paul Davies or something. They're asking these kind of 370 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.279 profound questions, you know, like well, we're here, shouldn't they be 371 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.960 out there? And now do they do this like we do? And other 372 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.119 fun, creative type of things that kids come up with, you know, 373 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.359 Alejandro. The first one of these workshops I did had to be close to 374 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:38.200 twenty years ago at a legendary private school in Suffolk, England called Summer Hill 375 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:45.240 that was pioneered by the great British educator. As Neil and I had been 376 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:53.519 basically told, this is a relaxed atmosphere. It will be kids and their 377 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:59.960 house parents and teachers all together, and you know, you can you don't 378 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.640 have to be quite as protective as you might be in another situation, and 379 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:09.240 what caught me totally off guard was I had completely forgotten on my way there 380 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:15.480 Number one, that this is just across a stretch of water from the Sizewell 381 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:22.400 Nuclear Generator and nuclear facilities tend to have a higher incidence have confirmed UFO sidings 382 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.799 around them, and less than twenty miles away from the site of the Rendelsham 383 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:35.440 Forest UFO incident. And my little slide lecture kind of turned itself around after 384 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.559 a while and it became just one kid after another and then the house parents 385 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.480 and the teachers talking about their UFO sidings, in some cases from the school 386 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.920 property. Wow. Yeah, very very dramatic. At the other extreme, 387 00:32:52.240 --> 00:33:01.440 I did a workshop at a Fortian conference some years ago in Debon, England, 388 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.480 and in this one I had kids as young as about seven and up 389 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.359 to sixteen, and I always ask that as many parents be there as possible 390 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.519 for obvious reasons, and that it should be recorded because somebody is going to 391 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.240 coming at you. And what did you fill little junior's mind with? Basically 392 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:25.119 nothing? And after a fashion we started to talk about stuff that people see 393 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:30.720 in the sky and then things that you know that you didn't understand, and 394 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.359 is that strange that you see something you don't understand. We discussed terms on 395 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.640 identified view, you know, flying object, et cetera. And at the 396 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.839 toward the end, I said, well, does anybody you know want to 397 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.640 talk about anything that they've seen. We had some kids who had been with 398 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:52.799 their parents during the meteor shower of very interesting other ones who had seen a 399 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:57.240 comet at night, and so it went. A few who had seen maybe 400 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.240 helicopters, but who knows. In one little girl, and for me, 401 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.519 she really nailed it. She said, well, I sleep and I look 402 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.480 out a window and I saw this thing and it was like a dinner plate 403 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.639 that you sort of turn, so it looks kind of like an egg, 404 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.559 but it's long, and it was moving and it stopped and moved here to 405 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.119 move there. Her mom was in the room, and no guile, no 406 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.000 angle. I think she was about seven, and you know, a beautiful 407 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:29.480 little British accent, and yes, I saw something that I couldn't explain and 408 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.800 I never saw anything else like it. And I said, and what did 409 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.679 you do? And she shot her mom a look and she said, well, 410 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.880 I went and I told my mother and I realized we're getting into some 411 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.519 territory here, and I said, what did your mother say to you? 412 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.280 And once again she looked at her mom and looked at me, and she 413 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.719 said, my mother said she didn't believe me. And the room went quiet, 414 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.400 and her mom just sort of looked like, you know, shrug her 415 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.159 shoulders like I didn't, you know, Sorry, funny. I So the 416 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.719 last thing was, I said to the little girl, and how do you 417 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.880 feel about that? And once again she looked at her you know what. 418 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.960 I'm sorry. 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The little girl looked at me, looked at her mother, and 436 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:54.119 then said, my mother is entitled to her own opinion. Oh my dad 437 00:36:54.280 --> 00:37:00.239 was seven and it was just a perfect note. But yes, I sure 438 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.400 hope because I know, you know we're both in the Southwest right now, 439 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.559 that some of your listeners that might not have solid plans for the long Fourth 440 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:14.280 of July weekend will consider joining us for a very unique Fourth of July weekend. 441 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.159 Right It's gonna be a lot of fun, and I know somebody had 442 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.880 contacted me wanting to call in. So now is your chance to call in 443 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.639 if you're listening, mister caller, And I'll keep it a surprise, so 444 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:35.119 hopefully he'll call in. But I wanted to touch on real fast here because 445 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.079 I don't know when we'll be able to have you on the show next Probably 446 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:43.119 won't be too long. But this is a thirtieth anniversary of the randelschromp Forrest 447 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.159 incident. Of course, your book left at East Kate is an important part 448 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:54.480 of people knowing about that case. Yes, December coming up will be the 449 00:37:54.519 --> 00:38:01.920 actual thirtieth anniversary of the United Kingdom's best known and best documented UFO incident. 450 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:10.480 Even after all this time, information continues to come at us. We have 451 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:16.920 more and more of the actual witnesses who are now willing not just to go 452 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:24.639 on record, but to speak out in public forums. And it's certainly not 453 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:30.760 going to stop with the thirtieth anniversary. But for example, if you're on 454 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.760 Facebook, you can join the Justice for the eighty First, the unit that 455 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:44.480 was involved to a great degree in going up against this unknown and who many 456 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.159 of them are still suffering from post traumatic stress disorder of what they were put 457 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:57.840 through before the fact and after, including my illustrious co author Larry Warren a 458 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:02.639 really good day. And he's also a true American hero who has been through 459 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.199 the Ringer, and without him, I don't know if this story ever would 460 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.920 have broken. It is one right, I would say, We're going to 461 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.440 be hearing more about as we head into the anniversary, and I will keep 462 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.800 you and your listeners updated as I learned. Any new breaking aspects great. 463 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.519 I know some stuff is brewing and I can't wait to hear what and hopefully 464 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.039 something exciting happens. But one funny thing when I did ask myself what if 465 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.480 there was no Roswell, I kind of thought of, what is the next 466 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:42.360 our biggest case where you have these witnesses who were military people who were involved 467 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.400 with the incident, and we might have to wait all the way up until 468 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.960 when this case got broke Rendolshrom forrest. I mean, if there is no 469 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.960 Roswell, do we might have had this huge law in the whole UFO arena 470 00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.159 until Rendolshrom came up. I take that may well have been the case. 471 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:07.519 The only reason that it broke when it did was because Larry gave all the 472 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.079 evidence he had name names, cited locations, produced paperwork, and a year 473 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.440 later, the one single page document which we would call the Halt Document, 474 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.079 a somewhat redacted and compressed and sanitized report on the events written by the then 475 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:31.840 deputy based commander of that installation in Suffolk, was still an authentic document describing 476 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.159 a real event again, even if a bit smoothed down. And Charles Halt, 477 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.599 now that he's retired, is certainly a bit more forthcoming than he was 478 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:45.400 back then. So yes, again this one. I don't think we'll ever 479 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:51.880 go away. And unlike Roswell, literally all of the principles are still alive. 480 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:59.599 And if our elected officials had any courage at all to readdress this subject 481 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.480 for the first time since the nineteen sixties, this is the one you could 482 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.840 take to court. I am absolutely convinced of that. Yeah, will be 483 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.159 glad to present it in any court that will have me. Yeah. Well, 484 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.840 we've got some great articles coming up in our issue that we're going to 485 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:21.199 be mostly centered around UFO landings, but in particular Randall Sham and one that 486 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.840 a young college kid writer who's written for us before, and he does a 487 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.519 great job. He interviewed you and Larryan wrote a story on it. It 488 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.519 turned out to be a great story. He did a good job with it. 489 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.920 Yes, Ryan, I actually got to meet him, oh a few 490 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.239 weeks ago, because I did two talks in New York City that weekend and 491 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:45.920 he came to one of them, and up until then we had just been 492 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.440 corresponding. And I agree with you, Alejandro. I think he is a 493 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:55.320 fine upcoming writer, and I think he was quite even handed on the story 494 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.599 right, and will wish him the best. Well, this story gets a 495 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:04.199 little dicey, and I want to ask you this kind of tough question around 496 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:09.519 it because of Larry's version of events versus others, and I was afraid. 497 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:14.119 You know, Ryan tackled that issue and he did a great job with it 498 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:19.039 in the story. But essentially, there is on the third day in question, 499 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.920 where there was three days maybe of events happening, where there was a 500 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:35.000 possible landing and reported meeting of military and extraterrestrials. Do you think that happened? 501 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.800 Well, what I think happened is based on nine intensive years of study, 502 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:45.599 and on top of that, the best, most accurate description I have 503 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:52.320 been able to really make real for myself is that there was a standoff. 504 00:42:52.639 --> 00:43:02.199 There was a face off between American personnel and these three presences that were out 505 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.880 there in Caple Green that night. Now, if you ask a psychologist how 506 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.559 much communication is actually verbal, I think the stats are something like, I 507 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.440 don't know, twenty five or thirty percent or something. Most communication, certainly 508 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:23.719 is nonverbal. It can be done with body language and eyebrow. You know, 509 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:30.320 there are so many ways, there are stories and legends and myths that 510 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.679 we repaired their craft. We exchanged candy bars with them, we chatted away. 511 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.280 I don't buy any of this stuff. But again, if communication can 512 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.960 be as simple as you know, staring in the eyes of a fellow human 513 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.840 being or another creature via your cat or bird or whatever, yeah, that's 514 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.920 communication on a certain level for sure. Yeah. Well close encounters. They 515 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.800 did the little hand thing, yes, and that was their communication. And 516 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.800 you know, just one other thing that you said, because it's terribly important. 517 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.880 I did a radio show a week and a half ago with Larry and 518 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:13.559 Jim Pennison and John Burrow's three of the authentic witnesses, and one of the 519 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:19.519 things that came up was different memories of the same thing. And Nick Pope 520 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.159 was on and Bill Burns as well, and we ended up talking a bit 521 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:29.519 about the physiology of shock, whatever we were doing to these guys, whatever 522 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:35.119 these other intelligences were doing to affect their thinking or perceptions. There is also 523 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:40.119 shock. And if you have twelve witnesses to a conventional, standard terrestrial automobile 524 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:45.599 accident and you take each one aside and you interview them on what they remember, 525 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:51.679 it is all informed by that moment where they heard that metal smash against 526 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.920 metal, had an epenephron and an adrenaline dump into their body, went into 527 00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:02.239 auditory exclusion, tunnel vision selected person and I think one of the most important 528 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.840 things. And Linda Howe made a wonderful point of this. She's been working 529 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.760 well okay quick, Yeah, he is got these guys some slack, you 530 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.960 know, right, thirty years and they're doing their best. Yeah, exactly. 531 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:19.000 Yeah, anybody heard of post traumatic syndrome, you know. But we 532 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.880 got to go thank you for being on the show. And I should mention 533 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:23.960 that our third issue, which is really going to shock people, that we've 534 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:30.159 got an incredible cover. It's on abductions, which is another specialty of Peter 535 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.000 Robbins, and we have a great story from you pretty much are introductory story, 536 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.000 telling people about abductions, how they happen, and a lot of incredible 537 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:43.519 scenarios that are real that people really went through in the third issue of the 538 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.239 magazine. Thank you for being on the show, Peter. I will see 539 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.559 you after my long drive in a couple of days, but we've got to 540 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.239 go. Yep, have a great night, you too. Next week, 541 00:45:54.280 --> 00:46:00.440 we've got Robert Hastings. He's pretty much done the most research on you suppose 542 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.679 and their connection to nuclear bases. He's interviewed tons of Air Force people, 543 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.119 and we'll be talking to him about the details and a great press conference that 544 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.440 he's putting together in Washington, DC. So check us out next week. 545 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.800 Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. See you soon.