WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:08.279 Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to 2 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:25.399 UFO Headquarters, beautiful headquarters, and welcome everyone to tonight's episode. We had 3 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:30.879 a little change of plans, Brian, and the control room there is going 4 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:35.000 to be helping out tonight. Brian. I'll do my best playing second banana. 5 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:40.200 So Mike apparently as laryngitis. I'm guessing from his book tour. He's 6 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:46.000 been doing some presentations and and uh and uh, you know, conferences and 7 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:48.799 stuff for Lynch by the Mob, which is excellent. You should pick up 8 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:54.000 a copy. Absolutely. So there I was. He was supposed to be 9 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:59.759 the lead on tonight's episode. As I was sitting on a beach today you've 10 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:04.959 been meeting for all you people who are about to get a northeaster in the 11 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.840 north, in the Northeast, and got a message that he had laryngitis, 12 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:15.040 and I'm like, oh, I better get some stuff together. So fortunately 13 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.359 I had some stuff I was looking into. So might be a shorter episode, 14 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.599 but it's better than no episode at all. True, So I agreed, 15 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.840 all right, So here we go. A couple of weeks ago, 16 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:34.959 I got an email from a John Genoviez got his permission to use his name 17 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:42.239 and ended up calling him the next day to interview him because he had a 18 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:49.719 great sighting in nineteen eighty seven in the Hudson Valley just right up the alley. 19 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.840 You're hitting all the sweet spots of the of the Hudson Valley way. 20 00:01:55.200 --> 00:02:01.840 So let me just read this and I'll mention a few things we talked about. 21 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:08.960 I often don't give a person's name or what they do unless they give 22 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:14.520 permission, and he said, yes, you can use the name. And 23 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:20.879 I do want to mention his credentials because I think this really adds value to 24 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:27.120 his case. Briefly, he moved in when he was fourteen, moved to 25 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:34.800 Moor's Mills en Route eighty two, went to Millbrook High School and Dutchess Community, 26 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:39.840 so in that area, beautiful area of the Hudson Valley. Lived in 27 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:47.759 the Old Wheeler Homestead, which is a historic landmark building built in eighteen o 28 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:53.280 six. When he was nineteen and nineteen sixty eight, he was in the 29 00:02:53.360 --> 00:03:01.039 service for three years as a military policeman, trained in investigatory forry techniques as 30 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:08.199 well as observing accidents and crimes. So he's trained observer, which is exactly 31 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:15.520 what you want. Absolutely, And then he became a lawyer and clerked for 32 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:24.159 a federal judge in Florida and has participated and tried multiple cases in forty three 33 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:29.000 years of practice. All right, but he's a lawyer. That kind of 34 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.280 takes it down a notch. I don't know, Yeah, that's with the 35 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:36.879 other show. Oh I'm sorry, Okay, yes, I don't know if 36 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:42.319 he was a defense attorney. So murder in the Hudson Valley is what Linda 37 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.039 is referring to the other show that we do where lawyers play a different role 38 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:52.680 than they do here in UFO investigations. So now, so military police forty 39 00:03:52.719 --> 00:04:00.919 three years as a lawyer has some creds here has some credentials. So we're 40 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:06.439 going back to Christmas holidays nineteen eighty seven. He was up from Florida visiting 41 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:12.400 his family. He said he was walking out the kitchen door, which faced 42 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.000 south, and right away, I loved this because it's like, all right, 43 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.720 he's giving me direction, he's giving me location. Good observer. He's 44 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:27.639 facing south towards his dad's Honda, which he was borrowing while he was home. 45 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.879 Said, it's a very hilly area. And as I walked toward the 46 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:36.800 car about seven point thirty pm on a cold, clear evening, I noted 47 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:43.519 a huge object with green and red and blue lights at a low altitude, 48 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:50.439 perhaps a thousand feet or less dip behind a hill on Coal Road to the 49 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:55.680 south. So as I'm reading this, I opened up Google Maps and you 50 00:04:55.759 --> 00:05:00.560 can. It's great because you can track the path of this object. And 51 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:08.600 I love this description. My impression of the huge object object was as if 52 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:15.439 you watch a jumbo jet take off and it is struggling to climb, multiply 53 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:21.160 that by ten. Right, we've all seen these big jets, right, 54 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.480 it seems like they're going slow. It seems like they're putting a lot of 55 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.600 effort in even though they're not. They're built for it. But right, 56 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.120 they seem like they're lumbering. Right, So these in other words, huge 57 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:38.040 object looks like it's lumbering. And he says, multiply that by ten because 58 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:44.199 it's enormous. It's a footfield, foot foot ball field. Sorry people, 59 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:51.439 I'm on vacation, football field length object. And he could see it was 60 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:58.759 solid, okay, so it's not planes in formation. He sees this solid 61 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.240 object. So he said, since I was heading toward the car to go 62 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:08.279 out. I then ran toward the car to follow the object. I love 63 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:12.040 that. You know, that's great. You're not scared. You jump in 64 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.160 the car and you go after this thing. To the northeast behind the hill 65 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:23.480 was a small private airport sky Acres. The trajectory seemed to be in that 66 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.759 direction. It struck me that if I could get above the hills, as 67 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:32.199 the airport was, I could have a great unobstructed view of the object. 68 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:41.399 I drove very fast uphill and actually intercepted the object directly above me. Okay, 69 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.879 that's scary. Yeah, you actually caught something. Usually it takes off 70 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.079 and it's gone right, But now it's right. You know what It's like 71 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:53.959 the coyote just caught the road runner and says, well now what now? 72 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:59.480 What do I do with it? And this road runner had an extraordinarily bright 73 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:03.680 light shining down on me. Okay, that would make me very nervous. 74 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:11.879 There's enormous craft silently hovering over you, and it's beaming a brilliant light. 75 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.879 He can't see any details in the craft because of this. I guess it 76 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.639 was just a blinding light. And he admits I was glancing up through the 77 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:27.560 windshield, still trying to drive even with this bright light, and kind of 78 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:35.480 freaked out. That is very understent. Yeah, absolutely so is that all 79 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:42.120 I could really discern was the bright light almost blinding at not more than a 80 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:50.040 couple of hundred feet These are enormous craft, so low practically tree top level. 81 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.639 So as he drove away, I still wanted to get to high ground. 82 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.040 So he's still trying. Even this was nerve racking. Still wanted to 83 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:07.279 see it. So the nearest place was Germand Hill, GERMND to the north 84 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.360 on Route eighty two, and again you can track all of this on Google 85 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.959 Maps. It was not more than four miles, So he drives, probably 86 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.920 very quickly those four miles, and when he got to the top he could 87 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.279 see the object in the distance, apparently stationary and probably a mile and a 88 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:33.679 half away in a valley. I could see the same bright lights and had 89 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:41.080 a longer opportunity to observe the size and density of the object. So again 90 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.559 I like that the density of the object. These weren't little individual points of 91 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:50.919 light. This was a big, big, dense object. South of the 92 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:56.480 object was the Hamlet of Freedom Plains near the Taconic Parkway, which provided a 93 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.399 bit of backlighting, so I could see the silhouette. It was consistent with 94 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:09.399 my initial observation. Then it disappeared, it was just gone. So I 95 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:16.679 just loved this description, the details, and we spoke for quite a while. 96 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.600 No sound, He doesn't think he had missing time when the light was 97 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.440 on him. You know, I was wondering did he feel heat or tingling 98 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.759 or none of that that he recalls. And then there's always the question, 99 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.840 any family members ever see anything? Well, not really. Well, wait, 100 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:48.360 his son apparently had a very interesting sighting out in New Mexico, which 101 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.799 I'm waiting for the details on that. So it often, as we've seen, 102 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.200 runs in the family. And so I said, you know, with 103 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.120 all of your experience and all these years to reflect on it, you know, 104 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.559 what do you think you saw? And I don't think he got the 105 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.799 question. And well, it was a huge craft. It was moving slowly, 106 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.360 deliberately, and I'm like, no, what I mean do you think 107 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:20.039 it was human? Oh? Of course not. So my question is that 108 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.559 I know, I know, but I have to ask, oh, yeah, 109 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.519 absolutely, And you know you don't think it could be military? He 110 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:35.360 said, no, military, he could conceive of would have this craft. 111 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:41.480 So thank you very much, John. I love getting these reports. Even 112 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.000 forty years later, we're you know, we're still getting these reports. People 113 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.480 are still coming forward. Yeah, And I think as people hear other people's 114 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.919 stories, it helps them feel a little bit better about coming forward. Right, 115 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.840 has been your right? Right? And especially when this, you know, 116 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:05.799 somebody like this with these credentials and background doesn't mind saying no, go 117 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.840 ahead, use my name. It definitely adds credibility to it. So we 118 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.039 might have a part two if we find out what the sun saw okay, 119 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:22.240 New Mexico. And so yeah, So I just wanted to start out with 120 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:28.240 that. And before we get to our other cases, why don't we take 121 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:39.240 our first break. Hudson River Radio dot com. Hudson River Radio dot com 122 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:45.039 subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LC, lasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. 123 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:52.799 So the title of tonight's show is India, Germany and Casablanca. Excuse me, 124 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:58.720 East Germany, India, East Germany and Casablanca. So we're going traveling 125 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:07.480 tonight. I'm in all right. So this was a case that really didn't 126 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:13.200 get any international play that I saw, and it just recently took place on 127 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:20.759 November nineteenth, twenty twenty three, in Manipore, India. I had to 128 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:26.759 look that up. It's just east of Burma and the city or town of 129 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.480 Ifall. And here we go. I'm going to give it my best at 130 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:39.960 the beer Tikandradjet International Airport. Sound good, right, I'll buy it all 131 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:46.480 right now, they saw a they visually saw. I love. They don't 132 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:52.120 say naked eye there, they say with bare eyes. People at this airport 133 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:58.519 were witnessing a bright white object seemed to be self luminous so had its own 134 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:05.639 light. It was videotaped. This was daylight, about two thirty pm. 135 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:11.919 It very very much reminded me of a Hudson Valley incident in twenty twelve where 136 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:18.960 people up and down the Hudson Valley saw this brilliant bright object just sitting there 137 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:24.159 for hours. This was a very similar thing. It was two thirty pm 138 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:30.879 until about four h five when the object just took off, But it seemed 139 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:37.600 to be above the tower of the airport, which is concerning Yeah, you 140 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:46.480 have flights coming in. They took this seriously enough that all flights were suspended 141 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:52.000 for three hours. That's a lot for an airport. He's really disruptive, 142 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:58.120 especially in a high population area like that. Absolutely. Yeah, some flights 143 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:03.960 were diverted to the other to another city of Kolkata. Several flights were just 144 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:09.720 grounded until they gave the old the all clear. So this object, it 145 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:16.320 mostly stood still in the sky, but it also moved slowly to the south. 146 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:26.399 A congressman, Manish Tawari said that this was a justified response because you 147 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.799 have an unknown object, a possible danger. You don't know what it is, 148 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.120 you don't know how big it is, you don't know its intentions, 149 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:43.120 so it poses a potential danger to aircraft. So I think they did the 150 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.759 right thing. You don't know what that's an even more dangerous section of the 151 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:56.480 world over there. So this congressman asked the government, do we even have 152 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.279 a UFO plan? What's the respect? When people said, he got no 153 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:11.080 response. I don't think India is very open to talking about UFOs. And 154 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.679 then this little tidbit came out. They took this so seriously that the Indian 155 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:24.480 Air Force scrambled two rafael fighter jets. Now those are French, beautiful planes, 156 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:31.399 French fight out fighter jets made by Dessau. They are capable of having 157 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.879 a very robust weapons platform. The reports didn't say if they went up armed, 158 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.279 but you think they probably would. I imagine they would at least have 159 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:48.679 some capabilities. Why would you scramble without that right They did say they had 160 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.879 advanced sensors, but when they got up there, they didn't find anything. 161 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.879 Okay, people are on the ground seeing it with their bare eyes. Yet 162 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.759 you put two advanced fighter jets with their sensors up there, we don't see 163 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:10.879 anything. So that was kind of the end of it. And I watched 164 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:18.519 a local a local to Maniport report where this woman saying, well, you 165 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.519 know, we've had these things in the past and they've always proven to be 166 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:32.519 drones for birthday parties or Chinese lanterns. And I don't think anybody was having 167 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:40.399 a birthday party at the international airport. Sparrows over there, but that's not 168 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:45.679 the first choice for any birthday party. You could do that at high altitude 169 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:52.679 over an airport, but they were clearly trying to let's you know, it 170 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.399 was could have been a Chinese lantern. Chinese lanterns are little paper things, 171 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.679 yeah, that fly up in the air and move away on the currents of 172 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:06.680 the air right, and who goes to the airport to launch them unless it 173 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:14.200 was floating through by coincidence? Yeah? So yeah, so that's I tried 174 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.039 to find it, and that was that was the end of it. They 175 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.000 don't know anything more, and clearly they don't really want to discuss it. 176 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.079 Yeah, well, I know you have more of a conspiracy mindset than I 177 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.079 do. That it automatically goes to we don't want to tell the truth. 178 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:33.200 But to me, it seems just as likely they really don't know, but 179 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.119 they're trying to give an They don't want to say they don't know, right, 180 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.160 right, But the fact that the congressman, you know, this wasn't 181 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.559 the man on the street. What's going on? A congressman trying to get 182 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.920 information? Does the government even have a policy or a plan? Right? 183 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.880 And get an answer? Right? So maybe they just don't have a policy 184 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:56.880 or a plan, right, And I don't know if they'd want to admit 185 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.440 that either. That's just it. Damned if you do, damned if you 186 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.039 don't. Of course you have a UFO plan, Aha, do you have 187 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:10.319 it? Look? Screaming and running is a plan, that is plan that 188 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:17.440 may not be a good one. But so before we get to East Germany 189 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.359 and Casablanca, why don't we take our second break. This is Hudson River 190 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:33.039 Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station. This is Hudson River Radio 191 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:42.319 dot com. And we are back on vacation. Some people, you know, 192 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:48.200 they go to bars and hand the hour and drink. And I've been 193 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.240 going through some c I a u f O report. Geez, do you 194 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.279 understand what a vacation is? I think you may need a little guidance. 195 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.680 I was on the beach all day, so there's that. But this is 196 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:07.079 my form of entertainment and relaxation, and it's a good thing. I was 197 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:12.480 doing it so I could put together tonight's episode. So this is a report 198 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:18.880 which I found very interesting. A man by the name of Oscar Link. 199 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:29.640 He's a forty eight year old German and former mayor of Glimushausen and he when 200 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:37.319 this report came out in fifty two, he had recently escaped the Soviet Zone 201 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:42.680 along with his wife and six children. So we kind of forget in this 202 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:48.680 modern world, there used to be in East Berlin and a West Berlin and 203 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.000 a wall in between that made things very difficult. And you could be shot 204 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:57.519 in a heartbeat trying to get from East Berlin to west. So the fact 205 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:04.720 that this man escaped with his wife and six children. Wow. So anyway, 206 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:11.319 Link actually had a story to tell and I love this. He gave 207 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:18.599 a sworn statement before a judge, which I don't know that I've come across 208 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.160 this before, a UFO witness going before a judge. To what purpose. 209 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.440 I guess he believed in this story and wanted to get it on record. 210 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:36.720 I don't know. It doesn't explain, but I just found that very interesting. 211 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.480 So here's I will read this report. Link and his eleven year old 212 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:48.119 daughter, Gabriella made the following So even his daughter made the following sworn statement. 213 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:53.799 While I was returning to my house with Gabriella attire on my motorcycle, 214 00:20:55.119 --> 00:21:00.880 blew out near the town of Hasselbach. While we were walking tour Hasselbach, 215 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:06.920 Gabriella pointed out something which lay at a distance of about one hundred and forty 216 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.759 meters away from us. Since it was twilight, I thought she might be 217 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.359 pointing to a young deer. I left my motorcycle near a tree and walked 218 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:22.359 toward the spot, which Gabriella had pointed out. When, however, I 219 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:27.960 reached the spot about fifty five meters away, I realized my first impression had 220 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:34.279 been wrong. What I had seen were two men who were now about forty 221 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:41.480 meters away from me. They seemed to be dressed in some shiny metallic clothing. 222 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.759 They were stooped over and were looking at something lying on the ground. 223 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:52.799 I approached until I was only about ten meters from them. That's close, 224 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.960 pretty close. I looked over a small fence, and I noticed a large 225 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:07.279 object whose diameter I estimated to be between thirteen and fifteen meters. It looked 226 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:12.000 like a huge frying pan. That's a that's a new one. Yeah, 227 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:18.200 we hear sauces, saucers, I guess in your preferred cuisine. There you 228 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:26.319 go. There were two rows of holes on its periphery, about thirty centimeters 229 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:33.400 in circumference. This is very specific. This is this is good. The 230 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:38.559 space well, he's German, so I might be very particular. Yes, 231 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.359 The space between the two rows was about zero point four to five meters, 232 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:55.920 very specific. On top of this metal object was a black conical tower about 233 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:02.359 three meters high. At that moment, my daughter, who had remained a 234 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:07.240 short distance behind me called me. The two men must have heard my daughter's 235 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:17.119 voice, because they immediately jumped on the conical tower and disappeared inside. I 236 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:21.640 had previously noted that one of the men had a lamp on the front of 237 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:26.680 his body, which lit up at regular intervals. Now the side of the 238 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:33.480 object on which the holes had been opened began to glitter. Its color seemed 239 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:38.240 green, but green, but later turned to red. At the same time, 240 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.880 I began to hear a slight hum, which we hear a lot with 241 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:49.480 these craft. Silence or a hum. While the brightness and hum increased, 242 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:56.720 the conical tower began to slide down into the center of the object. The 243 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:03.160 whole object began to rise slowly from the ground and rotate like a top. 244 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:10.160 It seemed to me as if it were supported by the cylindrical plant, which 245 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:15.079 had gone down from the top of the object through the center, and had 246 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:21.920 now appeared from its bottom on the ground. So there was some central post 247 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.599 or pillar. That's the whole thing. The frying pans. It sounds like 248 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.480 a mushroom. Sounds like a big mushrooms. There you are. That describes 249 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:37.079 it. The object, now surrounded by a ring of flames, was now 250 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:42.359 a certain number of feet above the ground. I then noticed that the whole 251 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:48.599 object had risen slowly above the ground. The cylinder on which it was supported 252 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:55.680 now disappeared within the center and had reappeared on the top of the object. 253 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.519 So this object had all sorts of things going on, like a conical section 254 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:07.079 that seems to be pulled into it, this central support that rises up. 255 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.440 There's a lot of mechanics going on here. The rate of climb had now 256 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:17.559 become greater. At the same time, my daughter and I heard a whistling 257 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:26.119 sound. That heard that similar to that herd when a bomb falls. That 258 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.880 made my blood run cold. Yeah, right after World War two. And 259 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:36.799 a kid that knows what that sounds like, that's yeah, that's you know, 260 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.839 she's probably fought what fifth say. Yeah, she's probably about four or 261 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:48.599 five years old, and she knows what a bomb falling sounds like. So 262 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:53.799 the object rose to a horizontal position, turned toward a neighboring town, and 263 00:25:53.880 --> 00:26:00.200 then gaining altitude, it disappeared over the heights and forest to the direction of 264 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:07.079 Stockheim. Many other persons who live in the same area as Link later related 265 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:12.039 that they saw an object which they thought to be a comet. A shepherd 266 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:18.920 stated that he thought he was looking at a comet moving away at low altitude. 267 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.359 Comets do not move it low altitudes for those of you, and if 268 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.720 they are you, you didn't know about it because it's too late. That's 269 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:34.799 right, thank you. After submitting his testimony to the judge, Link made 270 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:40.519 the following statement, I would have thought that both my daughter and I were 271 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:45.559 dreaming if it were not for the following element involved. When the object had 272 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.839 disappeared, I went to the place where it had been. I found a 273 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:55.440 circle circular opening in the ground, and it was quite evident that it was 274 00:26:55.599 --> 00:27:00.920 freshly dug. It was the same, exactly the aim shape as the conical 275 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:07.119 tower. I was then convinced that I was not dreaming. So whatever this 276 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:17.160 was had left a big imprint or blast or whatever it made a shape in 277 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:22.240 the dirt. And Link continued, I had never heard the term flying saucer 278 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:27.240 before I escaped the Soviet zone into West Berlin. When I saw this object, 279 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:33.839 I immediately thought it was a new Soviet military machine. I confessed that 280 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:41.359 I was seized with fright. Because the Soviets do not want anyone to know 281 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:48.599 about their work. Many persons have been restricted in their movements for many years 282 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.359 in East Germany because they know too much. Well, that's a polite way 283 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.400 to put it, isn't it. Yes, they were thrown in the slammer 284 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:03.119 and never seen again or shot where it's very very cold. Yes, yeah, 285 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.799 so, I mean Germany was working on jet engines at the end of 286 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.759 World War two. So that's like the first thing that came to mind when 287 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.559 we were talking about flames and all that. I'm wondering if they got a 288 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.039 hold of something that was in the works maybe, because that would leave an 289 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.519 impression in the ground, that would make a lot of flames, that would 290 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:25.920 make a lot more noise though, Yeah, yeah it would. And what's 291 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:32.119 with the two guys in the shiny suits? Uh, flame retardant suits? 292 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.400 Did they have? Maybe? Yeah? Yeah, there's a lot to unpack 293 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:44.599 in this. Yeah, sounded fascinating, not only for his really detailed description, 294 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.200 but again, oh, it sounded like a bomb dropping to us, 295 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.839 So we were afraid. I was terrified. I thought it was something I'm 296 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.880 not supposed to see. Right. Oh, It's funny how your mindset and 297 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:03.319 your experiences kind of shape your description and all that. Absolutely, absolutely so 298 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:11.440 that is our East German escaping into escaping the Soviet zone, as he called 299 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:17.319 it. Yeah. I just thought that was a great case. And so 300 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:21.119 we've taken both breaks, so we're good. Yeah, Well, let's go 301 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.599 to Casablanca. I've never been by. Yeah, all right, here's looking 302 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:33.720 at Brian. Here we go. So this is a case where thousands of 303 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:41.680 people in Morocco and Tangiers saw either a saucer or a cigar shaped object on 304 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:49.279 September one, nineteen fifty two. So and going back and forth with this 305 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:55.200 as I'm reading its pages and pages of descriptions, but I'll read you some 306 00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:03.359 of it. The first sighting, Well, the the report starts with a 307 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:11.000 enormous saucer seen going at a great speed over Casablanca at six twenty pm, 308 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:18.720 and then they give all these other accounts. At eight six point fifteen pm 309 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:25.799 the Nephophic River valley. No clue where that is. They saw an object, 310 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:30.279 a timed an object with a chronometer. I don't know who was standing 311 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:37.920 around in the Nephific River valley with a chronometer. But the object stopped short 312 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:45.200 a moment, revolved on itself, emitted a shower of sparks from about its 313 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:52.799 cone. So it was cone shaped. You'd think, well, maybe it's 314 00:30:52.960 --> 00:31:00.279 just military aircraft, but stopping midair and revolving. And there was also many 315 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.440 sightings in Rabot, which I had to look up, is fifty seven miles 316 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.759 from Casablanca, so if you go to Casablanca, take an hour go to 317 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:15.000 Rabot. I don't know what's there. I thought this was interesting about this. 318 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.559 This is all the same night, within minutes of one another. This 319 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:26.920 was at six thirty pm about six thousand spectators at a boxing match in Casablanca. 320 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:33.759 That's a lot of people in an open air arena or whatever watching boxing. 321 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:38.079 I don't know how much you can see if you're twenty eight rows back 322 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:45.799 watching a boxing match, but anyway, they see this saucer shaped object passing 323 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:53.359 overhead. At six's eighteen and another town people saw an object like this flying 324 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.240 from east to west. So whatever this was was all over the place. 325 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:04.559 In Marrakesh, it made an appearance for five seconds at six thirty pm, 326 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.880 when it was clearly seen by three persons who described it as a meteor. 327 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:16.000 So in other words, it's bright, it might be flaming. I don't 328 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:22.880 know. At six point fifteen, many people on a beach seventeen kilometers from 329 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:30.680 Tangier, saw a large luminous disc of a diameter close to that of the 330 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:37.640 setting sun, flying horizontally from east to west. After holding its course for 331 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:45.599 about twelve seconds, the disc, which looked like a brightly illuminated metal object, 332 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:52.000 so they're seeing something solid, suddenly emitted two great streaks of flames and 333 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:59.279 disappeared. It was also seen over Fesse, which is in French Morocco, 334 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.119 lying at very high speed. And then this is the last part of this. 335 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.559 There was a lot of sightings, but I'm just giving some highlights that 336 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:15.559 a pilot gets a close up view. For a brief interview, the pilot 337 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:22.359 of a tourist plane reports that on September twenty first, nineteen fifty two, 338 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:29.039 that same night, he flew for ten seconds and about fifty meters in the 339 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:35.960 same direction as the flying saucer so widely observed that day, so it was 340 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:43.440 pacing his plane for a short for a short distance. This was a former 341 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:52.559 military pilot whose name is Kreeze Crez, and he answered specific questions put to 342 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.400 him and gave the following information. As he was preparing to land at an 343 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:07.400 airfield in Casablanca at six twenty five he noticed the strange object about thirty meters 344 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:14.159 to the left of his plane. That's what about ninety feet that's pretty close. 345 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:22.000 That's that's a little long. Comfortable, yes, And this was confirmed 346 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:29.760 by a ground mechanic who saw this luminous object flying next to this plane. 347 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:35.559 So we have a ground observer. It was flying horizontally again from east to 348 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:43.039 west. The latter was doing two hundred and the pilot two hundred and twenty 349 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.880 kilometers an hour by this point at an altitude of four hundred and fifty meters, 350 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.360 which is still pretty low, but the object was going about twice as 351 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:59.639 fast. He motioned to his passenger, who also saw it. So yet 352 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:06.360 another the witness It looked like a bright blue green flame and had an oblong 353 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:13.320 cigar like shape. He heard no noise coming from it. After it passed 354 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.159 the plane, it disappeared in the direction of the sea. And this I 355 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:23.639 love this line. The pilot did not attempt to pursue it, fearing the 356 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:31.000 same fate as that of the US pilot. And in parentheses, the CIA 357 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:38.000 added Captain Mantel, and that may ring a bell to some ufologist. And 358 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:44.519 if it doesn't. That is a very famous case from January seventh, nineteen 359 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:52.159 forty eight, in Franklin, Kentucky. A Captain Thomas Mantel in his beautiful 360 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.039 P fifty one aircraft, my favorite aircraft. If you need to know that, 361 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:01.039 all right down, Christmas is coming. I want to ride in a 362 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:07.400 P fifty one. He was with the Kentucky Air National Guard. Sees a 363 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:16.079 UFO something strange, he follows it. It's climbing high. Unfortunately he gets 364 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:22.480 too high, he blacks out, the plane crashes and he dies. And 365 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.480 this was a very experience. He's a captain, He's flown a lot of 366 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:35.239 ours, seen a lot of things. They claim he was chasing a weather 367 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:44.119 balloon and that's how he died. So it's interesting that this pilot in Casablanca 368 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:52.400 doesn't want the same fight, you know, same fate as Captain Mantel four 369 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.800 years later, from Kentucky to Casablanca. You better believe pilots around the world 370 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:06.400 knew about this. Yeah, you'd be crazy not to share that kind of 371 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.800 information, right. I understand keeping it, keeping it close to yourself and 372 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.159 not letting it out. And especially then, oh, especially as an American 373 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.639 with the Cold War and everything going on. But yeah, if you're flying 374 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.000 around things and you don't know what's coming, yeah, it seems like a 375 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.559 good idea to share some share whatever, you know, right, so you 376 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.800 don't chase it and die. Yeah, that's always good. So that's my 377 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:37.920 little quick world tour. Some very interesting cases, a lot of meat on 378 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:43.119 these bones here for period. It is as a complete newbie my thing. 379 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.880 One of the things that sticks out with me are the issue of lights, 380 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.559 like beams of light and things are lit up and you know, all right, 381 00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.800 well, what's the purpose? You know, we assume we can see 382 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.679 a certain part of the light spectrum, but the spectrum is huge, infrared 383 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.960 and ultra violet and way beyond. You know, we use for communication, 384 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.079 we use for heat, we use for other things. You know, what 385 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.840 is the purpose of lighting? You know, the spectrum that we can see 386 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.199 maybe is being used for something else that we don't know. Or maybe their 387 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.599 version of illumination is something that we can't see, you know. Yeah. 388 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.760 The only thing I can think of is they don't care that they're being seen. 389 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:29.760 They want to be seen. And a lot of times when people are 390 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.920 hit with these beams of light where their whole car lights up, or they're 391 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.719 in this spotlight, they feel heat, or they feel tingling, or they 392 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:44.719 feel something more. It's not just you know, let's shine a light on 393 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.239 it. It's like they're being scanned almost right somewhere. I think we're assuming 394 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.199 that it's so you can see better, but maybe it's not. Yeah, 395 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:57.360 maybe maybe you know, our version of C is totally different than something else's 396 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:05.079 version of C. I think absolutely you're you're correct with that. So yeah, 397 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.599 I just thought, you know, I love getting international cases because it's 398 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:15.119 not just crazy people in the US, you know we have. You can't 399 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.760 get much more diverse today than Kentucky, India, Casablanca and East Germany. 400 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:27.320 Agreed, So I think it's a Again, I apologize this was a quicker 401 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.760 episode, kind of put it together like I did, put it together last 402 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:37.639 minute, But I think it gives people a lot to think about and follow 403 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.119 up on. Yeah, So I hope more people come forward with their stories 404 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.679 and their memories the best that they can remember, because I think it all 405 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.880 adds to putting together the puzzle pieces. Absolutely, yes, please do please 406 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:58.199 get in touch with me or Mike, send your stories and if it's something 407 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.400 you know, compelling, happy, to speak to you, interview you further. 408 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.079 I know a lot of people I hate to write. I don't, 409 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.440 but don't just please do not contact me and say I have this great case. 410 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.880 Okay, could you give me a clue. Please take a few minutes 411 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.039 and give me where when some idea of what it was. Did you see 412 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.800 a light zip across the sky? Or did something land in your backyard? 413 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:31.760 You know, give me some context and I will be like this, gentleman, 414 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.280 I was more than happy to follow up on that. So there we 415 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:42.360 have it. Very cool, Brian. Why don't you take it away? 416 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.440 All right? Well, thanks for having me sit in. It's always something 417 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.760 new and something interesting and it just pulls you down another rabbit hole that there's 418 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.039 only so many hours in a day. You have to stop doing this. 419 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.480 But thank you for putting this together. And hopefully Michael recover quickly and be 420 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.679 back in and we'll see him next month. So thank you, Linda for 421 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.519 all your extra work, and thank you for joining us for the UFO headquarters. 422 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:14.199 We will see you next month. Hudsondre radio dot com a favorite among 423 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.400 shut ins and dogs.