Hey everybody, This is Left Strive. Yes, yes I know aka Survivor
Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odyssey. Hey guys, and
welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for clicking play. It
is Wednesday. I hope you guys are having a great week. We have
an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to
start the show by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like
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out, become a member there and help support the show. As I said,
we've got a great guest lined up on the show. I got to
sit down with my friend Deborah Hatswell from across the pond over in the UK,
and as always deb has some very interesting things to talk about. We
get into bigfoot in the UK, we talk about bigfoot in Ireland, and
we also talk about some dog man experiences that she's working with a couple of
people on in some different cases over there. I think you really find this
interesting. We're taking a little break from the tide standing stuff. I'm getting
beat up pretty bad about some of the things I've had to say about my
experiences with Todd. People are just pissed off because they just wanted me to
say a whole bunch of bad stuff about him, and I just really couldn't
do that. We're gonna take a little bit of a respite from that.
We'll be back on that probably on Friday, and maybe even some more stuff
on Sunday. We'll just see how the week plays out. I've had some
really really great interviews recently with some amazing people, and I can't wait to
bring those shows to you. So we'll see what the next couple of weeks
have in store for everybody that said I know you're ready to get into it
with deb tonight. She's on the line, she's ready to go. So
you got to sit back, relax and enjoy the show, all right,
folks. I want to welcome my guests back to the show. It is
my friend and yours from the UK, Deborah Hats will welcome back to the
show. Dev Oh, thank you for asking me on again. Brian.
It's been absolutely wonderful as me and you've been doing a little bit of secret
work in the background that we can't say too much about. But I reached
out to you today to be honest, because I have something that's worrying and
that's rare gabra Hat's well, but I think yourself and your listeners might be
able to help me with this. As we start to talk about it,
Let's get right into it. Let's talk about that you reached out to me
and said there was something that you wanted to talk about, so let's just
jump right into it. I know you've got a couple of cases that you've
been working, and let's start there and talk a little bit about that and
see where it goes from there. Yeah, I noticed since about twenty seventeen,
and I'm sure it is the same in the US and Canada and Russia.
The cryptive reports are onatic increase, so they're being reported far more often
than normal and being seen far more often than normal. And one thing that
I've realized, I've come to realize over those three years that there are a
number of people, number of cases I'm working where a creature actually ends up
at the person's home, so they've had some kind of encounter out in the
woodlands, or when they've been fishing, hiking with the dog. Sometimes it's
a shadowing event where they don't actually see the creature but they're shadow through the
woodlands, or in some cases is a face to face encounter, and then
things start to happen around the home. And one case that I've worked from
just three or four days ago. As you know, I've been in the
hospital, I've been hand surgery in my hand. And there's a chap that
I've worked with a long time. He's a private researcher in the UK.
He doesn't put his work out there, and what that man doesn't know about
the topography of a way cryptid moves through the land is not worth knowing.
He is absolutely spot on when it comes to things like that, and his
main job is his cara. He looks after people when they're ill. And
one of the chaps that he looks after full time is an elderly gentleman.
He's in his late eighties and he's very sick. He has some chess problems.
I was in hospital and my phone rang and I looked at it and
I realized it was my friend. I said to him, what's wrong.
I'm actually in hospital, I can't speak, and he said, something's happened
at the house. He's seeing something last night and it's absolutely terrified. Can
you speak to him? So I said, I'm actually in the ward,
in the bed, but I'll sneak out to my part. Don't tell me
anything about him. I liked going blind, and let me speak to him
and see if I can calm him down. So I knew there was a
couple of questions that I had for him, and I did just that.
I phoned him and I introduced myself and I said, obviously, I know
you don't know me, and I don't know anything about what's going on,
but can you tell me about what you saw? And he was very distressed.
You've got to understand you've got somebody who's just come to this subject for
the first time in eighty years. It's completely foreign to Then I said to
him, before you tell me what happened, let me ask you a number
of questions, and then when I've got the answer to those questions, I'll
know how to proceed. So I said to him, are you of Irish
descent? And he said, yes, I am. Both my parents were
Irish for all, I'm England my parents were ball And I said, is
there a negative place on that property where you live where negative things happened consistently?
And he said, yeah, just next door, just to the side
of the house. Then asked him what had changed at home, what had
changed at home in the last couple of days, and he said, I
can't make the stairs anymore. So they brought my bed downstairs and they put
me in what we call the front room the lounge in the UK. Obviously
my care has cleaned it up and they've washed the curtains and taken them down
and they haven't gone back up yet. So I said to him, I
think I can help with this. There is a legend in Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, in the Celtic countries of a dog like creature that will sometimes
come to walk you home or to stay with you in times of absolute fear,
and it's a hard subject because people want to know are they dangerous or
are they not? In each case is individual, so you've got an individual
being and an individual witness. And in this case, no, I don't
think it was being benevolent in any way. I said to him, have
you been thinking about passing on? And he said, yeah. I went
to the undertakers last week and I booked my funeral and I did all of
those things. And I said to him, I think there's something very negative
going on this property at the side of you. And I said to him,
was the creatures price to see you by any chance? And he said,
yeah, it was. Its eyes went really wide when it's arm And
it was at that point that I said to him, talking through it,
don't tell me about moham. Let's start. You're in bed, and he
said, I need discussed to the toilet. I got up to those of
the toilet. I'm not very steady on my feet, and I said,
and now looked, and there was this thing looking at me through the window.
It had a definite snout. It actually is upright, but also tipped
like a like an Alsatian dog would do. And he said he held his
gaze, and he held its gaze, and then it slowly walked off.
And I said to him, I can honestly tell you it hasn't come to
hurt you. If it had come to hurt you, it's take its chance.
There. You're on your own, there's nobody else around. Sometimes when
you have feltic blood, if you're Scottish, Welsh, Irish. You will
find that your family has a connection to these kind of creatures and it can
be around and it can be pertecting you. And from what I can understand
is I think it's trying to keep whatever's in this house here from getting to
you. I said, but this more of a connection is something to do
with the land. And because I can't get down there and get a feel
for it, I said to him, have you been talking about selling the
house or moving and he said, yeah, I have. I've been talking
to my care and he wants to buy the land here and I said,
I think that's for the best because I think he's kept it at bay for
a number of years. It's things that have been going on. So I
managed to speak to the care and neither of us have had this conversation with
the older chat because he doesn't need to know. But things have been happening
around the home, thuds and banks on the wall, almost as if there
is a bird chat trapped in the chimney stack. And I said to what
we need to do now. We need to keep things as positive as possible.
So he's now doing a perimeter work each day making sure that he's setting
his boundaries and not letting anything in. But that's the best case scenario,
and a number of the cases I'm working in at the moment and not the
best case scenario. So we've got people who don't know about the cryptis subjects.
It's not something that they're thinking about on a daily basis. They're not
like me and you. They're not speaking to witnesses all the time. One
chap, similar situation, very bad chest can play very bad to the OPG
really struggles with his breath. And one thing he does religiously he takes his
dog for a walk. His friend has to take it sometimes and he's real,
really boller. But similar situation. He's walking around on the dog on
the first night and the dog starts to growl and it's not very happy,
but they see a badger come out, and it's quite natural that for a
dog to do that around a badger. Second night, two badges come out.
Same kind of situation. So on the third night, he's got the
dog on the lead and they're walking around little brook that runs at the side
of it little bridge, a beautiful place, and the dog's dog suddenly goes
on point and it's making very low browly noises, which tells me it's frightened
or whatever's in there. And he said, I'm expecting the badges to come
out again, but nothing. There's no birds singing, there's no animals moving,
there's nothing. And the next thing, this thing is basically following him
through the trees, and he said, I was absolutely terrified. I don't
now got away from that. His heart's pounding in his racing and he said
a couple of days later, he didn't want to walk that field again,
so he took the dog in a different direction, similar thing happened again.
He's got that feeling that he's being watched, and he said, I've only
ever felt like that once before, and it was when I was a child
and I nearly drowned and I felt this spare this awful face, he said,
and that's what I felt with this thing. A couple of days after
that, he's at home and he notices that there's almost like a bedded down
area at the end of the garden where something's been laying on the grass,
which completely worried him. And I said to him, you told me everything,
Is there anything else that you and he said, Oh, you're not
going to believe him when I tell you this one. And I said,
no, I will, I will just tell me. And he said,
it popped its head around. I've seen it. It was like an Alsatian
but it stood up right, had a long snouted nose here on top of
her head, yellow eyes, the whole nine yards and it's in now around
the house, so similar thing. He's got Celtic Celtic background, but I
don't think missus here is as a protector this time. I think it's very
interesting in him because I don't know if you'll agree, but I think that
sometimes they will find people at the weakest point in their lives and suddenly attach
that's why they're there, And I think that is it kind of situation.
Yeah, if you ever come across a case like that when you've been interviewed
Peple, it's interesting that you say that. Not really, I've only had
I think three or four people on the show period that have had some sort
of what would be considered the quote unquote dog man experience or dog men encounter
with sasquats. Recently, I've had a couple of interviews. Robin comes to
mind in a show from last week, and there was Carrie from Tennessee that
I interviewed last year. I met Carrie up in the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference
and she was really distraught about what was going on around her property. These
things were these things being sasquatch were terrorizing her house. Basically, they were
coming up, smacking on the house. She was having all kinds of issues
to the point where vocalizations she looked outside eventually culminated and seeing one of these
things back behind her house. To the point it wasn't the only reason that
they left, but her and her husband ended up selling their property and moving
to Indiana. Carrie reached out to me about a month and a half ago
or so. She's having the same issues in her new home, their dream
home with this property that they bought. She's having very similar things going on.
She hasn't seen one of these creatures yet there, but very similar things
to being on the roof, sitting outside of her bedroom window and she hears
scratching on this big eighteen hundred farmhouse. I had this conversation with Carrie and
I said, look, you haven't seen what it was. Obviously, you
said you saw a sasquatch in Tennessee. But you haven't seen what this is.
And although it's very similar in what's going on as far as the activity,
do you think it's possibly something that's more and I hate to use this
word, but manevolent, maybe it is something that's more paranormal. Maybe it's
even something that's demonic, because that's come up from me in my situation.
I've been on other shows as a guest before, and one of the people
asked me about my experience when I was twelve, I was living in a
house that was haunted. I was living in a house that I believe there
was demonic activity, and they asked me, do you think it's maybe something
that followed you into the woods out of your house versus being a flesh and
blood creature like a sasquatch. That might have been what you ran into.
And I don't know. That was a really long winded answer to a short
question. But I really haven't had that outside of maybe Carrie's experience, because
it seems like these things are following her and Robin, who I just had
on the show. I hosted that episode. As we talk now, I
think it was this past Friday, she had a situation where she was involved
with sasquatch and having encounters from a very young age. She moved from one
state to another, very similar to what Carrie had. Robin says, part
of the clan, I think it was maybe three to six of the huge
clan of Sasquatch that she had on her property followed her to her new location.
Now she has a very different experience with him. It's not a bad
experience. She has had some where they got a little bit aggressive and things
like that, but it's not a scary situation for her. She actually was
glad that they followed her because she had this connection that she claimed to be
very almost like siblings in a way, if that's the right way to put
it. As far as these situations with dog Man, I want to ask
you before we go into any other cases or whatever. Let's take those two
that you just talked about. And you may have answered this on the show
before, but for me, I've said it about dog Man. It's very
hard for me to check a box on dog Man. Whether it is a
spiritual thing, whether it's an inter dimensional, whether it's flesh and blood.
You even mentioned that this thing could be possibly protecting Frank in the first story,
right, So what have you come to understand about that in the cases
that you've worked in the majority of the time that you have people on that
have had those kind of experiences. Is it a flesh and blood thing for
most people? Is it something that you believe comes from another dimension? What
are your ideas or what if you come to understand about dog man in general?
You know, I work on patterns, so I as look for a
pattern, don't want anything that I can say that case is the same,
And what I've noticed is a different description. So when we're talking about something
normally dimensional, we're talking like a typical weirwol slucking creature. There is on
top of head snout what paws and dog legs and a tail. But then
there's also another kind where they what they're describing is is what I would call
a wolf headed man. So you've got a human body completely hair cupvered,
but snout is hands and feet, and then we have the weapon eyes what
people would call them big muscular mind that's all looking weaponized ones that are genuinely
seen around burial sites and military of defense land. So I think there's a
number of things going on. I think there are different kinds of them,
and like Bigfoot, we use that name as an umberella to cover everything.
But I also think there are some entities or beans out there that will show
in a way that would entireshre get you interested. So if you've been thinking
about cryptids and putting thoughts out there, there are bad energies whether we want
to call it paranormal supernatural, that will attach to that because you look like
a beacon that's out there in this very dark world, and they immediately want
your energy in the same sense of like Robin where she's been followed. That's
a joyful energy. It's something that she likes to do, and they probably
get the same thing back from that. But then you've got these energy feeders.
And I am convinced that with some people it starts very early on as
children in their bedrooms and they will talk about seeing things in the bedroom,
and as they get older they will have more and more scary experiences. And
then I'll talk to someone that you see if Brian, and I'll say,
can you remember anything from a kid? Oh? Yeah, when I was
a little girl, there would be a wolf in my id do and Dad
would have to come in and put an imaginary lead in it and walk it
out, and I think that they always been. Is it attached to you
at birst kind of thing? Is it in your bloodline? There's a lot
of talk going into that. At the moment, I wish I could say,
Categoryclett, they are this, spopsasquatch, bigfoot, wild my skin walkers,
the whole nine yards. I'm not sure you're dealing with a witness that's
giving you a description and they might have a very limited scope of experience on
that. Or then you might get somebody who knows everything about cryptid and see
it and say, oh, it was definitely this and this. I wouldn't
want to see you what. I'm going to be completely honest with you.
Anything that's eight feet tall, that's got teeth like a dog and can keep
up with a car at seventy miles an hour is not something I want to
be messing with. But unfortunately that's my job and that's what I have to
do. I have to go in the woodlands and look for these creatures,
or go on to people's property and make them stay away. In the early
days, that was really hard to do until I realized that They are like
bullies. The second you stand up to them and you're saying no, no
more, that's the line is drawn in the sand, they will back right
off and they'll go look for another victim. So is one of the things
that I do as well as investigating, and I try and get the witness
to investigate the place themselves because with that come some confidence. I would love
to speak to Kerry because I think maybe something's attached at some point to Kerry
and that's why it's followed us to a different aject. It's not the land
and it's not the house, it's you as a person. So I lived
in a series of haunted houses and then I worked out with my farties.
It was probably made. It was the comment I think your listeners will understand
that. I think it's going to have been saying for some of them as
well. Yeah, it's very difficult. I think for a lot of the
listeners of this show, they tend to be more of the flesh and blood
bigfoot people. For the most part. Now, a lot of people have
reached out and they were very interested in Robin's story. Some people thought it
was complete hogwash and baloney that she's had all these experiences and she doesn't have
anything to show for it as far as proof is concerned, because she sent
me some pictures and they were not the best pictures in the world of what
she claimed to be seeing. So a lot of people just correlate that with
she's probably making this up. I get that experience, I get that response
from people, but it's very difficult, I think, for a lot of
people, and including me, who hasn't really dealt with a lot of that,
to wrap my brain around the fact that it's more about the person and
that these things are possibly following these people, and that makes me, at
least my personal opinion lean towards that it may be something more spiritual. That's
a question that came up recently that you could talk about as well. For
the skeptics out there, the naysayers, I always get that there's no way
that any of this could exist in the UK for people, unless it's an
interdimensional or it's an alien it's coming from another place. I had a listener
who reached out to me recently. Some people have probably heard the jingle that
Glenn did. He's from London. He and his girlfriend were in town here
over the weekend as we record this. It was like Sunday. I went
out and met them for coffee. They were passing through North Carolina and I
got to meet up with him. He's a huge fan of the show,
so I went and had coffee with him and talked for an hour. And
he's from the UK, and that's one of the things that he said to
me. He's a believer in Sasquatch. He believes. He loves the show,
he loves the encounter stories, and he believes they exist. He just
has a problem wrapping his brain around, for example, the UK stories.
And I know that you've dealt with that because you had an experience you've shared
on this show as a child. The naysayers with you are if these things
are flesh and blood, there's no way that they can actually exist. But
they do exist for everybody that you deal with. So how do you handle
that when people come at you, or even sometimes the witnesses say to you,
I don't know how this is possible, because I don't know where they
would come from and go to. How do you deal with that as an
investigator? And how do you answer that question for people? And stay tuned
for more sasquatch right back after these messages. I think for me, I've
had forty five years of experience, and the first thirty five year of them.
I believe that subsquatch is a living, breathing, flesh and blood creature,
is corporeal. I believe that they make that they have places where they
go to that we're not accessible to, because I've seen the physical evidence of
it. And it was only probably fifteen years ago when I started to realize
that not everythince fitted into that box of this flash and blood creature. Some
people were experiencing things that they couldn't explain, and that's where the interest lies
for me. So so people talk about cloaking, it might not be this
mesa physical dimensional being. It might be that there's something about that hair that
works as a natural camouflage, so they reflect whatever's around it, mirrors it
backwards. You hear about these predator being that are moving through the woodlands,
which seems very paranormal, but that could be a technology of some kind that
we don't understand. It could be something that they are born with, like
an octypus can change color and disguise itself. I think their hair might have
something to do with that, because when we look into hair study, I
think Dr Melton himself in Alaska came across as a hair that did not fit
the human genome. There was a different DNA to it, so which tells
me that for me, my personal opinion is that they're on the cominid line.
They are maybe a brother or a cousin to us in some shape our
farm. But I only believe that about Sasquatch. I think all of the
other beings are the cases that I work. We've got to look at the
paranormal supernatural, and then you've got the opinion of the witness. So they're
seeing that creature for the first time, and that might seem magical to them
the way that it's just suddenly appeared within the woodland. But we know that
their masters of their environment. They can transfer would without breaking a twig or
making a sound that comes across as paranormal or supernatural. But it's a bed
a while ago by just simply saying I don't know what they are, but
here are all the theories as to what they are. Are they a sentient
being? Why they just a simple eight? I don't agree with a simple
eight. They're far too intelligent for that. I've seen him run rings around
hunters who have been in the woodlands their entire lives. Remember Randa, We
both know Randy, the guy in Canada he saw a sasquatch and a moose
basically fight to the death. Now, this is a man who's native to
the area. He's hunted there his entire life. He's still going to go
out the next day and hunt. And he's absolutely terrified. And the people
that he did hunt with now don't want anything to do with it because he's
had this strange experience. Then you think Alaska is the home of the heir
hairy man. It goes back so far in your history, and yet people
have likely he's seen it. But this is a man who knows the wood
He knows the outdoors like nobody else. He knows how to hunt and feed
his family. He's gone in there very STEALTHI left, he hasn't pulled up
ten minutes away and slammed the car door. And he's done but exactly what
a hunter would do, and make himself smell like the woodland. And he's
gone in complete incognito. You sit down, you got quiet, and you
let the woodland come to life around you again. And when the small cristis
moved and the bigger cristisle move and he was doing that, and he said,
it was just come out of the musket. This moose just came out.
His eyes were rolling, it was screaming. He said he'd never heard
the moose make that kind of noise before. And the creature on the back
of the moose was swatting at it, and he was hitting the front of
the moose, he said, And I think it was trying to get it
here, from what he was saying. And that's how the battle ended.
It pulled his neck back and down it went. And I said to him,
what did you do? And he said nothing. I had my gun
in my hand. I didn't even think about using it, and I just
slowly walked out like that as slow as I could for the whole way,
because he was incomplete and us a shock, which is understandable, isn't it.
But that is definitely a flesh and blood creature of some guide for Randa,
that is a creature that's killing a moose, probably to eat it.
For what other reason would he kill the moose? And then you have to
look about all the other things that go around these site to report. So
we're not just looking for a creature. If it's flesh and blood. We
need to be seeing prints. We need to be seeing a habitat, a
habit within a habitat, the weaddy mikes through an area, what they leave
behind those kinds of things. A number of cases that I've worked to discussed
creatures where the belly's been sliced and only the liver's been taken. Now,
that is the most nutritious part of the body, the liver. That shows
me intelligence. This is an intelligent creature that's moving through an area. Then
we look at seasonal patterns. Are there any other reports at any point in
history or in the last ten years, twenty thirty years where we can get
a date or a season. So we have a case in the UK.
So a young lady living in an absolutely beautiful part of the country, Cornwall,
sadly she can go. She's on a cliff edge, got to sea
out in front of her, and just woodlands and farms at the back of
her. And she's lived their entire life. She's a survivalist. She's camped
on Dartmoor, she's hunted the Beast of Dartmoor. She makes me look like
a wimp. One night, she has an argument with her husband, she
storms out about ten thirty at night on a lane that she's watched her entire
life. And she said, I suddenly walked into two groups of something hunting.
Whatever was up on this side of the hill was making a series of
clicking noise and it was driving the sheep down the hill, and whatever was
down the embankment was answering with a similar noise, as if to say,
we're ready, we're in position. Moved And she said she was just completely
terrified, just terrified. Same thing just walked out of their backwards and she
said to me, will they come to the house, Will they come and
get me? And I said, no, I don't think so at all.
I think you've walked into something. Just give me a day to go
and look and see what I can find on that area, because I knew
that I'd had two reports in that area anyway, So I went, I
looked, and I managed to find another one. So that's three previous and
you were all in February. Every one of them had happened in February,
which is early spring in the UK. This is down south, so they're
in much warmer weather than I am up here, so we expect spring to
come in earlier there, and I think that's what was happening. I think
there was something moving through that area because it was not a foraging route as
I would Carley, where I honestly believe that they are great and follow the
food, because you're depleting area. As your friends said, it's not on
a room in the UK. You could deplete an area of Christ's in about
four weeks if you were on birds and rabbits. Animals are not dafted,
just me. But I was able to say to her it's a seasonal thing,
a seasonal pattern, and you were Unfortunately you walked into that. But
that wasn't enough. She left that beautiful place and moved into the town because
it just ruined it for her. I like the idea of going for a
walk out there in the dark again was over for her and she can't do
that anymore. I understand what that feels like. Has that been there about
twenty five years looked away after what I saw something close to my heart.
If I can help that person get back out, I don't care whether it's
flash and blood, corporeal sentient being. I see that witness, and I
see the struggles that they're having, and I think, let's break it down
to them as small as they can. It didn't reach out and grab you.
And that's not enough sometimes because it wasn't enough for her. Because I'm
just someone in a few hundred miles away. I can't running help on.
It's not a whole lot I can do. And that's when I sat out
looking for other investigators because I thought, I need to get them all over
the country so that we can get on these cases really quick. We need
to be looking forensically about what's happened if we make in these claims that they
are in the UK, and we need to answer all of the questions that
the skeptics have for us, and the same pressures that you have in the
US. How do they breed? Where did the bodies go? And I
have to research that and that's what I've don't ask for forty five years,
fifty years now actually e this year researching all of those questions. Less than
ten percent of the UK is urban, and that includes all roads, hospitals,
airports, a whole nine yards. Yeah, seventy percent of it's arable
farming land really be small conurbations and towns, and on the edges of those
towns it's just green what we call green belt land. You can't build on
it. It's little streams and woodlands. Go to the main river, and
you know yourself that they are seen on the rivers starting at the estuary going
inland, and that is not something that's paranormal because it wouldn't be feeding.
It could just pop up where it wanted, whenever it wanted. This shows
a seasonal pattern of food and foraging. Yeah, I definitely want to get
back to some of the the other stories about being followed home in some of
those cases, but before we move on to that, I think it's a
very good point about helping people, because that's one of the reasons that Carrie
reached out to me. She trusted me enough to tell me her story for
the first time. She had never really shared that with anybody. She shared
some of the story on the stage that year at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference,
and I was there to see that, and I thought it was a
fantastic thing for her to be able to do that and let that go but
she reached out to me because I'm somebody that she trust and she wants help
with this. I did the things that I can tell her if it's a
flesh and blood creature, if it is a bigfoot. I told her some
of the things that I have learned in my experience to tell people that work.
Lights, loud noises, and even setting up as crazy as it sounds,
setting up like these air horned things that you can activate with a string,
and just things like that when things are going on. So, if
it is a flesh and blood creature, whether it's a bear or whether it's
a bigfoot, these things tend to work, at least in my experience from
things that I've heard in the past with people having them on their property and
whatnot. Let's talk a little bit about how you approached when somebody reaches out
to you for help. Do you first have to as an investigator for you,
do you have to figure out, ay, is this a flesh and
blood thing? Is it a possible spiritual thing? And then how do you
approach that. I know, at least for me, I'm very careful with
what I give people as far as information, because if I give them the
wrong information. Then I'm responsible for that person at this point, So my
cop brain goes into I'm on a nine one one call. I can't tell
this person to just go back in and hug it out with a person who
just beat the crap out of them and they end up dead because I'm on
the hook for this. It's the same thing when we're talking about these kind
of investigations. You've been doing this a ton of time, way longer than
I have. Talk to me about it and give the audience some of the
things that you are able to give people during your investigations. The first thing
of say with people, honestly is I don't have the answers fire. I'm
not going to be able to come in and cure this in fifteen minutes.
Last summer, we had a gentleman who's a wild camper so Bival Israelia,
and he's out in Wales and he's camping one evening and he's got a little
fire going and he suddenly here's something in his head telling him not to put
the fire out. And I'm shortening this down to as much as I can.
What happened was basically he said he saw a number of bigfoot creatures,
about four or five big boot creatures, and they were saving him from another
creature that had come in that wanted it, that wanted to hurt him.
And during that one of the big foot was killed and the other bigfoots dragged
the creature off. I have to say to this man that I don't have
the answers fire. I don't know, but what I'm going to do is
if we do this in your way, I always give them the control.
So I say to them, what do you want me to do? What
do you know? What do you want me to do? And he just
wanted to get it off his chest. He wanted to speak about it.
Then. That was last year. So now we've just been in contacts again
because he's ready to be interviewed. He said, I've seen all those comments
that people put on your YouTube depth saying things about you and when things like
that, and I said, don't worry about that. I don't worry about
comments. Only matters to me what you think of mething. You took the
time to trust me. I'll do whatever I can. But there are other
cases where I can get them just in touch with somebody else I can investigator.
So one of the cases that speak about today is Polish's in Staffordshire and
she saw something about three thirty in the morning. I'll go into the description
in a moment, but I was able to put her in touch with an
investigator who's only about seven miles away from her, so they are now in
constant contact. Because I can't personally see to every single witness that I get,
but what I do is I try and get them in touch with somebody
there who's happy he ates to go back into the area with them, and
they're just there if they need to call them. But what I like to
do is if it sounds very flesh and blood like it's around the home and
things have been taken like seed or animal bland, kicks or anything that I
can say that slash and blood, then we hit it like a general investigation.
We get investigators down there and we see what I can find out.
I always asked the witness to journal anything and everything that sounds strange, So
even if it's like strange bird calls, anything that's out of there, not
I want to know about it. Because if a apet's predator is moving through
a woodland, we will hear animals warning each other this is going on,
and I want to know what time of days a happening, because I'm convinced
that they hunt dawning dust. I don't think we sleep eight hours like the
human I think they like early man. They would sleep at the hottest part
of the day and hunt in the morning and then come out when the Christians
are out, which is late on it night as I dust get dark.
So I want to be able to tag all of that. I want to
see if there's any prints, any footprints on the land, or any animals
that have been harmed in any way. So there was a case in Scotland.
I didn't work at Charmagne. Fraser worked it, but we're very close
colleagues, and she was able to work out that the route that these creatures
were taking was going past the farmhouse, around the feed barn and then off
the land, and that fi I actually saw them carry away an animal.
So that tells me that they're on there for food. So then, like
you, we have to discourage them, like you would discourage a bear.
You don't feed a bear because it's cheapiet and cheap yet and then unfortunately you're
going to die or the bear is going to die, and that's what's going
to happen in a crypted case. We've got to understand for them being seen
and get them killed. There are people in the UK that have got shot
buns. You do. If you're in the countryside, you are allowed to
shock, but to keep yourself safe. So I tend to say no gifting,
no leaving food out on the property. Nothing that will entice in any
way, shape or far. You need to set really good boundaries go around.
You don't take us your own folk, but pee on your fence post.
That's what an animal does. An animal marks is sent everywhere, and
that we did as your early humans, we did the same thing. So
start thinking like a pavement, I don't want this thing on my land.
So what am I going to do? Start rid of it, noise distraction,
anything you can do, set fireworks off if you have to, but
you get it moving in the off posit direction, so the next time it's
coming through it a voyagual and like anything. But if there's none of that
going on and it's this thing that's happening at the same time every day,
I know it's a residual haunting. So all I've got to do with that
is make the witness more confident and they will deal with that themselves. So
a lot of the things that I do when I'm working cases this my main
prior's speaking to that witness, getting as much information out of that witness as
I can, and I can sit down and think right deck while we're going
to go forward with this one. Because I don't just do cryptic reports.
I do all manners because in the UK, and it's the same as American
everywhere else, if you report doesn't fit a certain criteria, they won't take
it, they'll throw it out. I don't do that. I'll take anything,
and if I can't answer them mysels, I'll find somebody that can.
So it might be a case that comes in and I have no experience and
it whatsoever. But I'm really good at listening. So I'll sit and I'll
listen and I'll let them talk it out to and then I'll say, I
don't know what's to do from here on? Is it okay with you?
If I reach out to a B or see because I think that they could
help, and I try and do that if I can, And that's how
I end up meeting people like you and all of my own other American friends.
Sharing the information is the way to go because we've all got the same
questions and we're all trying to help people. That's what you do as a
podcaster. I know for some people they think that we just do this hour,
and it's not. It's so much work. It was in beforehand getting
that person comfortable enough to sit down and speak with you on camera. You
know yourself. You'll get an email and the person's not prepared to talk,
but they need to tell somebody about the experience. And then I try and
talk through as many of them as I can, and once I spoke to
make a handle on the case, I know what I'm doing. So,
like Terror, I want to sit down with Terra and listen to it from
day one. And I want to know if it's in a family. I
want to know if more dad, granddad, aunts, unples, anything like
that. Have you ever seen a UFO Have you ever seen it go?
Because it might be something in your bloodline with the paranorvel and the supernatural,
so people actually want that interaction, They want the creatures to come on their
land. They want to do this habituation, and you have to warn and
that this might not play out in the way that you expect it to play
out, because for all your after a relationship, they might not be and
you've just become a hindrance and an obstacle and they'll do everything they can to
movie off that land. Let's get back to the original thing we were talking
about, these things following people home. Have you had other cases? I
think you did mention other cases where you thought it was not necessarily trying to
protect people from something, but it may have nefarious motivation. Can you talk
about a couple of other cases that you've been working on and what your theory
is about what they are and how that's playing out for these folks. Yeah.
Yeah, Case I mentioned earlier with the chat where it was coming around
his home and he saw a bed outside in his garden. He actually did
the Lord's prayer when he saw its head peak round. He did the Lord's
pray and it worked. Everything stopped and it backed off, and that was
it. That's all he had to do. I'm going to keep talking to
him because he's had experiences with different kinds of phrenomena for being a very small
child. So I asked him if he'd ever been saved by something, and
he said, actually, yeah, I have, which is that happens as
well, So I think that's a connection to him. Another case I'd like
to talk about is a lady called Polline. She won't mind me mentioning in
the UK, and I'm sure it's the same for you that sometimes when you
come out of hospital you're not well enough to go home, so you go
to it like a convalescent home kind of thing. And last year in the
UK it was our words drought since nineteen seventy six. Is really hot.
None of us could sleep. We're not used to that China heat here and
taking the dogs out was a real problem because they were losing the skin on
their feet, so a lot of them was included were walking the dogs at
two am, three am in the morning when it was cooler. This lady's
relative was in a pair home and she's got to drive out to the countryside
to visit her. And she said, they're not the nicest the places in
the morning depth, so I tend to go and visit her at night,
which I understood. She's done the visit, she's took the dog for a
water and at the woodland put the dog in the car, all the windows
are up. She's driving now what we call a little country lane that you
have in America. There's nothing on either sided, just driving and the river
walk comes in and this is tiny little bridge. And sometimes in the UK,
when they're doing work, they'll put some traffic lights. They're just a
temporary set of traffic lights. Now, even when there's no other car on
the road and there's not going to be for an hour for some reason,
we still wait sit there and we wait for this great light. So she
sat in the car and she's doing just that, and she said, to
mehere, for four or five nights before, she'd felt really uneasy as she'd
approached this area. She didn't know why. She said, it wasn't anything
I saw. I just felt a bit uneasier and I wanted to get through
the area as quick as it could, and she said, and this night
it was no different. So she pulls up at the traffic lights and she
sees what, at first she thinks is a huge shire horse, so like
a war horse, you would probably quite a huge beast of a thing.
They are. And she said, I'm thinking it stood behind this tree because
I can only see the backside of it, and it cit'sacus three in the
morning. It can't really see much. So she pulls the car back so
she can get her red lights on it. She thinks it's a very expensive
horse, so like me, she's used to horses. My first thought was
that's going to get hit by a car. I need to get it on
a ledge and then off phone nine nine and say look, and thinks that
was her intention. So I pulls the car back and I'm looking at it,
she said, and I can see the trunk of the tree, and
I can see it hiding behind it. And then the trunk of the tree
moved and I realized that was an arm and whatever this was, it was
standing up on two legs and it walked out across the car in front of
the car. She said, I couldn't get me windows up all. At
the same time, the dog was not happy, and I just put my
foot down and I drove until I got home. And she was absolutely terrified.
But she's understandable. She's seen something that it's impossible in the UK.
She's not somebody who understands what a cryptid is, a dog man or anything
like that. So the only descriptions she put gibrieo is it was really sick
and black and muscular, and it was canine, definitely canine. She said,
I decided that I wouldn't be walking my dog there anymore. What she
decided to do, and it's something I'll encourage people to do, is look
for somewhere closer to home and go in the daytime. If you've got that
fear of the woods and you don't want to go, that's understandable. So
you've got to start small. Just go somewhere local where you feel quite comfortable,
and walk they dog until you get back in. That's what she does.
And she sat on a log and the dog's walking around, and the
next thing she just feels that something's watching her from the trees. And stay
tuned for more Sasquat Jalousy right back after these messages, and this tree starts
to shake violently, she said. And I realized at that point, I'm
on my own here, and the car's torture of a mile that way,
and he's only me and the dog, she said. She basically said something
to it in her head, not don't you dare come out. I don't
want to see you. And she gets herself back in the car and she
goes home. Then a relative is ready to come home. They made a
relative back into the bone below. She's like a one level ranch and things
start happening around the perimeter fence. Dog doesn't want to go out in the
garden anymore. She's seeing peeping almost peeping figures at the back fence. So
she isn't really just She's had no religion like me growing up, so she
didn't automatically go to the large prayer or anything. So the best way that
I can help her is what I did was I put her in touch with
Billy, and Billy is a guy I trust one hundred percent and he's very
close in area to her. So he now is going back with it every
weekend. They go back every week until that spot or they'll but Mechanic Chase,
which is the biggest were wolf hot spot in the UK. And that's
to get a confidence bill and being so learning to set some boundaries. If
this creature's coming around your home, the worst thing that you can do is
nothing. So I said to her, what would you do if it was
a male? What would you do if it was some predatory male around your
house? She said, I wouldn't brought up with it. I said,
well, what you need to do with this, because basically that's what it
is. It's feeding off your fear. You've been the only person I've been
able to pick up on that in the longest time, and then suddenly you
can. And it's interesting. She sees me, Oh my god, Look
she's frightened with me, and that makes it more confident, and it makes
it feed on this fear. So then you've got to try and tip those
scales. Eit of the way, haven't you. We don't want that being
so for all it's presenting as a wolf like creature that to me is not
a flesh and blow encounter. I would see that more as something dimensonal that's
coming in and out and it's attracted the thing and distress and upset. So
the best way to stop that is take those things away. You don't scare
me anymore, you don't upset me anymore. I'm not frightened of you.
In fact, you come here again and you'll be frightened in me. You've
got to have that kind of attitude. And some people say it can't be
that easy. Oh, it's not easier doing that, because you've really got
to believe it. Can't just say the words and it will magically go away.
You've got to know that you are stronger than this thing, and that's
why it's feeding off you. But what you've got there is a woman is
probably my age, who's very confident and he's used to being outside with the
doc, who suddenly doesn't want to do that anymore. So that's the whole
part of her life that she's got to give up because this feeding thing decided
that she was going to be the victim. So no, you're not going
to do that. I'm would have put her in touch with somebody who I
know that will con you off and then that will go from me and will
do that. So I was sat down with Polly in a while because I
know that Billy's seem to her. But I said to the pair and if
you need me, just wring me and I'll be there on the end of
the foe. But I know this is going to be fine. They're going
to manage to shut it down between themselves. It's ongoing, and it might
be ongoing for a number of years because it is for some people, And
honestly, I don't know how I do what I do, right, I
don't know. I wasn't training any of this. I just got to it,
and she was civil in myself. I was seeing things at home,
and I had something at my back guarden at home, and I've moved.
I saw footprints that came right to my back guard and going through the swamp.
I ain't like that's all, and like you, we probably are attracting
things because this is our job and this is what we did. When I
meet people in the field that have had these creatures around them, and I
hold the hand and I touched them, and I walk around with them,
and I go to the homes and I have a cup of tea there.
So quite often I make sure I ground myself before I go back home.
So I'm not bringing anything home with me because I've got children and a husband
and grandchildren. I don't want this to affect them in any way, shape
or form. But I can't leave those people out there on their own either,
because I used to be that person. I thought there was something wrong
with me in here. I really did. If you've just spoken to them
five years ago, I had no confidence whatsoever. I couldn't do a phone
call I can do any of those things because I was so beat down by
this spear, and the minute I worked out that, I'm going a minute,
I'm not afraid of anything else in your life is nothing only served.
It frightens me in any way, shape or for Why are you frightening this?
Because it's the unknown and I don't know what to do with it.
But I did know that if it's on my coattails, I need to drop
me cout. I'm just not going to for a frightening of you anymore.
And I made myself go into that garden every night in the pitch flat,
even if it was for twenty seconds, and I would stand there defying I'm
not going in because of you, And that got longer longer, until now
I can be out there. It's macessarly not frightened anymore. But I understand
the journey, and that's what's important. So I can say to people I
was where you were ten years ago, and look at me now with at
the difference. There is life after oven in a and you can't even say
a cryptid experience, an absolutely horrifying life changing experience. You do find a
way farward from it. It is definitely a journey, and you've touched on
a couple of things. I was taking notes as you were talking, and
one of the things that I wrote down, this has been happening to me
so much lately. I have a very compelling story on Somebody will come on
and share their experience, their encounters. They'll mention photographs, so they'll mention
videos, or they'll mention evidence that they have. It's almost without failed has
happened with Robin's case. She's had interactions with sasquatch, according to her,
for decades. And she sends me twenty blurry pictures of what looks like trees
and leaves. Is that something that you deal with as an investigator. I'm
sure you do, just like I do. I get emails right before we
hop on. Actually I got an email from a lady that I just interviewed
Gosh about a week ago. Her show hasn't aired yet, and she sends
me this picture of what looks like one of these cloaked predator type deals that
you were talking about earlier. She thinks it has something to do with vibrations
and possibly the infrasound. I look at the picture and I zoomed in on
it. That's really compelling. There's something there, but I don't know what
that is. How do you deal with that as an investigator? Because I
know it's difficult for me when I see photographs like that after I have a
conversation that's very compelling and the person is I don't like to use the word
believable, but extremely competent. They're clearly mentally aware of what's going on,
and then they send you these photographs or these videos or whatever the case may
be. How do you deal with that as an investigator? Do you have
an explanation for why that is? That these photographs? It's the quote unquote
blur blob squads, Right. It seems like everybody who has a really wild
experience with these things and then capture some sort of evidence of that experience,
it tends to turn out that way. Is that the same thing for you
and your investigations? And how do you deal with that? And what kind
of questions do you ask? Because I've started asking some very pointed questions of
people. If you have an habituation situation where you're dealing with sasquatch for thirty
years and you're taking pictures, why are all the pictures crappy. Why isn't
there at least one picture that somebody could say, Wow, that looks like
the creature that you described in your encounter. Is that something that you deal
with and if so, how are you dealing with it? As an investigator?
Number one, A lot of people saying to me, what you think
of this? If it's not their image, and it's not their what I
say, I don't critique other people's work. It's not I wasn't stood next
to him, so I don't know. But Robbie, me and Robbin all
have a conversation, and she I can understand Robbie straight away. She's correct.
At some of these beings use magnetic to move around us in One of
the easiest things to ask them for is a comparison shot. So if somebody's
saying that that six feet away from them there is something in that, there's
something shadowy, in doubt within that woodland. I can accept that if they
take another photograph five minutes later and there's nothing dark there. But if it's
just the one picture where it's like there's a dog man in this image,
maybe I'm not supposed to see it. Maybe Robin's supposed to see it because
we all have our different abilities. But if it's being declared as a flesh
and blood preacher, that is no different taking a photograph of a deer.
I want to see the field with no deer in it, and I want
to see the field with the deer in it. So that's tense to how
I say. I say, do you have any other comparison shots before or
after? If it's a still shot from the video, which it very normally
is, we cannot take that as evidence because video comes in all different forms
and it pixel eight. So I can say to people, go back,
stand in the same spot and do that video again, and if that stumps
asquatch whatever you calling it isn't there, then that's an anomala. We can
look at that as anomally and say I'm going to you must have been something
there, because that's the trees being blacked out. We can't see it.
One of the things that drabs slurply drives me mad is Facebook groups and they're
sharing of found in another group, no backstory. It should have a backstory,
because if you're telling me that you've sat in a field and you've seen
this creature for what from one side of the steal to the other and you
manage to get your video out and your videoed it. Yeah, I want
to us to sit in that field again and video. I want to make
sure that it wasn't something that we would just mistake for it. And if
they're not prepared to do that, then I don't bother with them, because
then there's nothing in down. They've made the mind up before they come to
me. And some of the hardest ones when they draw red rings around it.
Human brains are hard wired to find a face. It is how we
communicate, before speech, before paralinguistics or any of that. You can tell
if your partner's annoyed with you by a simple look. You think, oh,
what I've had done now, because that's how human beings work. So
don't draw ring around it, because the same again, I want a comparison
shop, go back at the same time, stand in the same spot and
take that photograph again and if there isn't anything there, then we know.
And you know me as a person, nineteen nine percent of the work that
I get sent is not worth rely looking at. Is weather damage, it's
natural foraging. It's animals from moving to a place Charmee Fraser at the Scottish
Habituation Site managed to get a photograph of something between the wire of a tree.
So I can't share. It's not my photograph, but I can't ask
her if I can share it with you. It looked like they think that
I saw that day. It was very cave man. It had very muscular
jar, very muscular mandibles, but like it could just chew through a bone.
So Charmee is a one hundred percent legit investigator. She went wrapped back
to the tree and second photograph for me. You couldn't even see her in
the Why it was too tall. I'm only shot, I'm only five.
Sharman is quite so. And we're talking about a woman who's an academic who
saw something at the age of eight and has been told on numerous occasions that
was because she's mentally ill. She actually is a health worker. She works
with people and has done an entire working life work within the mental illness because
she saw something as a child, and like me, she's been called a
liar their entire life. That's the way of doing it. But she is
legit, so she can say, yes, here is a photograph with an
empty tree. And here is a photograph and it does seem to be something
in it. But even then we've got a look at what animal was in
the UK would sit in the crook of that train? Could it be a
squirrelf? No, it's way too big. Could it be this? Could
it be that? And when we've reeled all of those things out, then
it's an anomaly. And then we send a team and we say we think
something's going on in this land. But I want to know out of that
land. No creature stays on that bit of woodland twenty four to seven wait
for a human to come along. It's got to come in and it's got
to come out. And I want to know those routes. I want to
know those choke points. I want to know if farmers are noticing things missing
and they add any strange animal kills on the land. What I was talking
about before this slice up the Belly. This year I took a case in
Northumbling, North Fumbling, it's just on the border with Scotland. Most people
will have heard of Hadrian's War. You got Hadrian's Well, you've got Scotland
on that side of Northumberland. And this a beautiful, absolutely beautiful place.
Hundreds and hundreds of big foot reports. Hundreds is an exaggeration, but lots
and lots of lots of big foot reports. And it's a similar kind of
thing. Somebody is out there and they take a photograph and this photograph looks
like a really decent print, really decent toe on it, this movement going
through it. And I thought, this is fantastic. This has not been
stamped in the ground. They even took it from different angles, which is
wonderful because you shouldn't just take one photograph of a print. You've got to
take it lie down on the from there all of that. This is amazing.
It absolutely fits. So I said, can you let me know whereabouts?
It will send me a GPS pin. It is the middle of summer,
and they send me a pin on a lake. So you've found a
bare footprint next to a lake in some off probably a paddle border. Critical
thinking seems to be a lost art, Brian. So you've got a balance
either way. You've got somebody who's doing it correctly and doing everything they can
to make it as scientific as they can, and then you've got other people
who are just willingly live no comparison item in the footprint nothing, So you're
just like, I can't really do anything with that. But it is an
area where you get all of this activity happening, so you've got to keep
it on the back burner. But common sense tells me that's probably someone enjoying
water sports because it's some of the hard question is once again, it's probably
boring. Each each case is different. You know yourself if it's worth putting
the time and you put it in in it and nea if you don't think
it is. Just this week, I've had a image coming from Ireland and
now loads of people are saying there's no bigfoot in Ireland. Absolutely no bigfoot
in Island. Even I'd told you that up to last year. It's not
enough water sources, was my answer. England has about fifty estuaries. I
think the island is about fines. It's massively different. What I'd never learn
ob is the land of the lakes, and I know you guys have that,
but this one in Ireland trigger as the sixty five lakes in one area,
believe it or not. And this guy is not taking photographs of the
woodland. He's walking in the wood and comes across his strange structure. Who
takes photographs of the structure. He didn't see anything when he's out there,
and he doesn't see anything in the photograph when he goes home, but he
shares it with his daughter and says, look at this strange thing I found,
and historic went, what's that in the background. Looks like a bear
watching you. We don't have bears in She didn't say the word there,
but she was like, it looks like something watching it. He looked at
it and he said, actually he does. She said it across to me.
One of the first things I do, You want to check the mesadata
on that image, because that'll tell me where it's been talking the GPS time
a day, your whole night, in your ass, whether it's been tampered
within anyway in a photograph, edything this week, nothing, none of that.
And it's just this almost gingery red head. You got bushes up to
out here. So I could throw that and say it's not stood up.
It's not clear enough for me, But that, to me, that's an
anomaly because he's not matching the color of any natural day. So it might
be a red set of dog where I doubt it's got a human shape,
head and shoulder, so that one I woke up the work into. So
I've asked him to journal everything going forward now. He was happy to tell
me where it was, where he lived, everything. He was very open
about all of it, and he isn't claiming it as anything. He's saying,
my daughters spotted something in this photograph. What do you think it is?
So I'll release it. I'm going to release it next week and everybody'll
tell me what it is, even at comparison shots where there wasn't anything in
that spot because he took a number of photographs. So that's going to be
an interesting case as it plays out. Definitely sounds like it. So we've
talked about it a couple of times. Let's tell everybody about your show,
YouTube channel. Where can they find you? Where can they listen to your
stuff? I can link to all that in the show notes and everybody can
check out your stuff, and maybe it really easy for folk. It's just
if you look up my name, Debrah Hatswell or BBR Investigations, put YouTube,
you'll find the podcast, you'll find me. I've just put everything in
my name, but I'm going to send Brian a link my look train,
it's got all of them in there. If you like listening to the reporters
themselves in my annoying voice, then it's a podcast you want. If you
want interviews or anything like that, then you want to go over to YouTube.
But we also do a website because there's a lot of articles come in
footprints, postcrass things that are and that's my platform for sharing them. Or
if you just like Facebook and if you're in the UK and you want to
get involved in this investigation in the UK and everyone's telling you there's no way
you can do it, find me because I've got a Facebook group that's been
going ten years and they're investigators in there. They're happy to help you out,
They're happy to let you know how to do it, and there are
a good bunch of people to bounce ideas off. So if you're out there
and you're looking for me and you can't find me, just hick Ryan up
and you have me a email and I'll find me. I definitely will,
and I will put the link tree in the show notes so you guys can
click right there and go over and check out all of dev stuff. As
always, Deborah, it is a pleasure to have you on the show.
I enjoy our conversations and I thank you so much for coming on and she
in with us tonight. You're very welcome. If you ever want me to
come back on, just give me a shout and I will. I'm sure
you're gonna get a lot of questions. They say, you don't gotta go
chesty, step step trying this child, that chid everything. Call me right
back, crying back, joy for me. Enjoy staying right, you come
it right away. Still stay step step steps, do not do ussssstsssssst.
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