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Hey everybody, This is Left Strive. Yes, yes I know aka Survivor

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Man, and you're listening to Brian
on Sasquatch Odyssey. Hey guys, and

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welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank
you so much for clicking play. It

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is Wednesday. I hope you guys
are having a great week. We have

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an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to

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start the show by inviting you.
If you've had an encounter and you'd like

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to be on the show, shoot
me an email. You can get me

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a Brian Apparentimoworldproductions dot com. Can
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out, become a member there and
help support the show. As I said,

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we've got a great guest lined up
on the show. I got to

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sit down with my friend Deborah Hatswell
from across the pond over in the UK,

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and as always deb has some very
interesting things to talk about. We

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get into bigfoot in the UK,
we talk about bigfoot in Ireland, and

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we also talk about some dog man
experiences that she's working with a couple of

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people on in some different cases over
there. I think you really find this

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interesting. We're taking a little break
from the tide standing stuff. I'm getting

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beat up pretty bad about some of
the things I've had to say about my

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experiences with Todd. People are just
pissed off because they just wanted me to

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say a whole bunch of bad stuff
about him, and I just really couldn't

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do that. We're gonna take a
little bit of a respite from that.

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We'll be back on that probably on
Friday, and maybe even some more stuff

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on Sunday. We'll just see how
the week plays out. I've had some

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really really great interviews recently with some
amazing people, and I can't wait to

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bring those shows to you. So
we'll see what the next couple of weeks

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have in store for everybody that said
I know you're ready to get into it

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with deb tonight. She's on the
line, she's ready to go. So

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you got to sit back, relax
and enjoy the show, all right,

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folks. I want to welcome my
guests back to the show. It is

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my friend and yours from the UK, Deborah Hats will welcome back to the

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show. Dev Oh, thank you
for asking me on again. Brian.

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It's been absolutely wonderful as me and
you've been doing a little bit of secret

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work in the background that we can't
say too much about. But I reached

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out to you today to be honest, because I have something that's worrying and

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that's rare gabra Hat's well, but
I think yourself and your listeners might be

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able to help me with this.
As we start to talk about it,

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Let's get right into it. Let's
talk about that you reached out to me

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and said there was something that you
wanted to talk about, so let's just

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jump right into it. I know
you've got a couple of cases that you've

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been working, and let's start there
and talk a little bit about that and

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see where it goes from there.
Yeah, I noticed since about twenty seventeen,

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and I'm sure it is the same
in the US and Canada and Russia.

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The cryptive reports are onatic increase,
so they're being reported far more often

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than normal and being seen far more
often than normal. And one thing that

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I've realized, I've come to realize
over those three years that there are a

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number of people, number of cases
I'm working where a creature actually ends up

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at the person's home, so they've
had some kind of encounter out in the

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woodlands, or when they've been fishing, hiking with the dog. Sometimes it's

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a shadowing event where they don't actually
see the creature but they're shadow through the

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woodlands, or in some cases is
a face to face encounter, and then

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things start to happen around the home. And one case that I've worked from

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just three or four days ago.
As you know, I've been in the

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hospital, I've been hand surgery in
my hand. And there's a chap that

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I've worked with a long time.
He's a private researcher in the UK.

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He doesn't put his work out there, and what that man doesn't know about

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the topography of a way cryptid moves
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He is absolutely spot on when it
comes to things like that, and his

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main job is his cara. He
looks after people when they're ill. And

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one of the chaps that he looks
after full time is an elderly gentleman.

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He's in his late eighties and he's
very sick. He has some chess problems.

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I was in hospital and my phone
rang and I looked at it and

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I realized it was my friend.
I said to him, what's wrong.

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I'm actually in hospital, I can't
speak, and he said, something's happened

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at the house. He's seeing something
last night and it's absolutely terrified. Can

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you speak to him? So I
said, I'm actually in the ward,

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in the bed, but I'll sneak
out to my part. Don't tell me

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anything about him. I liked going
blind, and let me speak to him

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and see if I can calm him
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couple of questions that I had for
him, and I did just that.

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I phoned him and I introduced myself
and I said, obviously, I know

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you don't know me, and I
don't know anything about what's going on,

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but can you tell me about what
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You've got to understand you've got somebody
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the first time in eighty years.
It's completely foreign to Then I said to

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him, before you tell me what
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of questions, and then when I've
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know how to proceed. So I
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descent? And he said, yes, I am. Both my parents were

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Irish for all, I'm England my
parents were ball And I said, is

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there a negative place on that property
where you live where negative things happened consistently?

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And he said, yeah, just
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of the house. Then asked him
what had changed at home, what had

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changed at home in the last couple
of days, and he said, I

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can't make the stairs anymore. So
they brought my bed downstairs and they put

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me in what we call the front
room the lounge in the UK. Obviously

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my care has cleaned it up and
they've washed the curtains and taken them down

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and they haven't gone back up yet. So I said to him, I

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think I can help with this.
There is a legend in Ireland, Scotland,

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Wales, in the Celtic countries of
a dog like creature that will sometimes

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come to walk you home or to
stay with you in times of absolute fear,

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and it's a hard subject because people
want to know are they dangerous or

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are they not? In each case
is individual, so you've got an individual

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being and an individual witness. And
in this case, no, I don't

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think it was being benevolent in any
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you been thinking about passing on?
And he said, yeah. I went

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to the undertakers last week and I
booked my funeral and I did all of

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those things. And I said to
him, I think there's something very negative

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going on this property at the side
of you. And I said to him,

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was the creatures price to see you
by any chance? And he said,

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yeah, it was. Its eyes
went really wide when it's arm And

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it was at that point that I
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don't tell me about moham. Let's
start. You're in bed, and he

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said, I need discussed to the
toilet. I got up to those of

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the toilet. I'm not very steady
on my feet, and I said,

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and now looked, and there was
this thing looking at me through the window.

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It had a definite snout. It
actually is upright, but also tipped

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like a like an Alsatian dog would
do. And he said he held his

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gaze, and he held its gaze, and then it slowly walked off.

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And I said to him, I
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hurt you. If it had come
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There. You're on your own,
there's nobody else around. Sometimes when

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you have feltic blood, if you're
Scottish, Welsh, Irish. You will

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find that your family has a connection
to these kind of creatures and it can

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be around and it can be pertecting
you. And from what I can understand

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is I think it's trying to keep
whatever's in this house here from getting to

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you. I said, but this
more of a connection is something to do

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with the land. And because I
can't get down there and get a feel

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for it, I said to him, have you been talking about selling the

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house or moving and he said,
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to my care and he wants to
buy the land here and I said,

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I think that's for the best because
I think he's kept it at bay for

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a number of years. It's things
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managed to speak to the care and
neither of us have had this conversation with

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the older chat because he doesn't need
to know. But things have been happening

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around the home, thuds and banks
on the wall, almost as if there

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is a bird chat trapped in the
chimney stack. And I said to what

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we need to do now. We
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So he's now doing a perimeter work
each day making sure that he's setting

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his boundaries and not letting anything in. But that's the best case scenario,

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and a number of the cases I'm
working in at the moment and not the

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best case scenario. So we've got
people who don't know about the cryptis subjects.

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It's not something that they're thinking about
on a daily basis. They're not

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like me and you. They're not
speaking to witnesses all the time. One

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chap, similar situation, very bad
chest can play very bad to the OPG

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really struggles with his breath. And
one thing he does religiously he takes his

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dog for a walk. His friend
has to take it sometimes and he's real,

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really boller. But similar situation.
He's walking around on the dog on

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the first night and the dog starts
to growl and it's not very happy,

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but they see a badger come out, and it's quite natural that for a

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dog to do that around a badger. Second night, two badges come out.

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Same kind of situation. So on
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dog on the lead and they're walking
around little brook that runs at the side

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of it little bridge, a beautiful
place, and the dog's dog suddenly goes

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on point and it's making very low
browly noises, which tells me it's frightened

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or whatever's in there. And he
said, I'm expecting the badges to come

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out again, but nothing. There's
no birds singing, there's no animals moving,

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there's nothing. And the next thing, this thing is basically following him

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through the trees, and he said, I was absolutely terrified. I don't

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now got away from that. His
heart's pounding in his racing and he said

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a couple of days later, he
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so he took the dog in a
different direction, similar thing happened again.

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He's got that feeling that he's being
watched, and he said, I've only

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ever felt like that once before,
and it was when I was a child

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and I nearly drowned and I felt
this spare this awful face, he said,

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and that's what I felt with this
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that, he's at home and he
notices that there's almost like a bedded down

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area at the end of the garden
where something's been laying on the grass,

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which completely worried him. And I
said to him, you told me everything,

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Is there anything else that you and
he said, Oh, you're not

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going to believe him when I tell
you this one. And I said,

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no, I will, I will
just tell me. And he said,

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it popped its head around. I've
seen it. It was like an Alsatian

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but it stood up right, had
a long snouted nose here on top of

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her head, yellow eyes, the
whole nine yards and it's in now around

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the house, so similar thing.
He's got Celtic Celtic background, but I

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don't think missus here is as a
protector this time. I think it's very

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interesting in him because I don't know
if you'll agree, but I think that

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sometimes they will find people at the
weakest point in their lives and suddenly attach

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that's why they're there, And I
think that is it kind of situation.

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Yeah, if you ever come across
a case like that when you've been interviewed

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Peple, it's interesting that you say
that. Not really, I've only had

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I think three or four people on
the show period that have had some sort

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of what would be considered the quote
unquote dog man experience or dog men encounter

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with sasquats. Recently, I've had
a couple of interviews. Robin comes to

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mind in a show from last week, and there was Carrie from Tennessee that

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I interviewed last year. I met
Carrie up in the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference

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and she was really distraught about what
was going on around her property. These

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things were these things being sasquatch were
terrorizing her house. Basically, they were

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coming up, smacking on the house. She was having all kinds of issues

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to the point where vocalizations she looked
outside eventually culminated and seeing one of these

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things back behind her house. To
the point it wasn't the only reason that

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they left, but her and her
husband ended up selling their property and moving

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to Indiana. Carrie reached out to
me about a month and a half ago

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or so. She's having the same
issues in her new home, their dream

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home with this property that they bought. She's having very similar things going on.

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She hasn't seen one of these creatures
yet there, but very similar things

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to being on the roof, sitting
outside of her bedroom window and she hears

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scratching on this big eighteen hundred farmhouse. I had this conversation with Carrie and

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I said, look, you haven't
seen what it was. Obviously, you

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said you saw a sasquatch in Tennessee. But you haven't seen what this is.

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And although it's very similar in what's
going on as far as the activity,

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do you think it's possibly something that's
more and I hate to use this

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word, but manevolent, maybe it
is something that's more paranormal. Maybe it's

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even something that's demonic, because that's
come up from me in my situation.

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I've been on other shows as a
guest before, and one of the people

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asked me about my experience when I
was twelve, I was living in a

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house that was haunted. I was
living in a house that I believe there

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was demonic activity, and they asked
me, do you think it's maybe something

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that followed you into the woods out
of your house versus being a flesh and

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blood creature like a sasquatch. That
might have been what you ran into.

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And I don't know. That was
a really long winded answer to a short

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question. But I really haven't had
that outside of maybe Carrie's experience, because

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it seems like these things are following
her and Robin, who I just had

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on the show. I hosted that
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think it was this past Friday,
she had a situation where she was involved

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with sasquatch and having encounters from a
very young age. She moved from one

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state to another, very similar to
what Carrie had. Robin says, part

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of the clan, I think it
was maybe three to six of the huge

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clan of Sasquatch that she had on
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Now she has a very different experience
with him. It's not a bad

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experience. She has had some where
they got a little bit aggressive and things

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like that, but it's not a
scary situation for her. She actually was

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glad that they followed her because she
had this connection that she claimed to be

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very almost like siblings in a way, if that's the right way to put

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it. As far as these situations
with dog Man, I want to ask

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you before we go into any other
cases or whatever. Let's take those two

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that you just talked about. And
you may have answered this on the show

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before, but for me, I've
said it about dog Man. It's very

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hard for me to check a box
on dog Man. Whether it is a

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spiritual thing, whether it's an inter
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You even mentioned that this thing could
be possibly protecting Frank in the first story,

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right, So what have you come
to understand about that in the cases

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that you've worked in the majority of
the time that you have people on that

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have had those kind of experiences.
Is it a flesh and blood thing for

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most people? Is it something that
you believe comes from another dimension? What

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are your ideas or what if you
come to understand about dog man in general?

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You know, I work on patterns, so I as look for a

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pattern, don't want anything that I
can say that case is the same,

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And what I've noticed is a different
description. So when we're talking about something

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normally dimensional, we're talking like a
typical weirwol slucking creature. There is on

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top of head snout what paws and
dog legs and a tail. But then

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there's also another kind where they what
they're describing is is what I would call

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a wolf headed man. So you've
got a human body completely hair cupvered,

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but snout is hands and feet,
and then we have the weapon eyes what

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people would call them big muscular mind
that's all looking weaponized ones that are genuinely

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seen around burial sites and military of
defense land. So I think there's a

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number of things going on. I
think there are different kinds of them,

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and like Bigfoot, we use that
name as an umberella to cover everything.

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But I also think there are some
entities or beans out there that will show

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in a way that would entireshre get
you interested. So if you've been thinking

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about cryptids and putting thoughts out there, there are bad energies whether we want

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to call it paranormal supernatural, that
will attach to that because you look like

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a beacon that's out there in this
very dark world, and they immediately want

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your energy in the same sense of
like Robin where she's been followed. That's

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a joyful energy. It's something that
she likes to do, and they probably

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get the same thing back from that. But then you've got these energy feeders.

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And I am convinced that with some
people it starts very early on as

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children in their bedrooms and they will
talk about seeing things in the bedroom,

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and as they get older they will
have more and more scary experiences. And

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then I'll talk to someone that you
see if Brian, and I'll say,

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can you remember anything from a kid? Oh? Yeah, when I was

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a little girl, there would be
a wolf in my id do and Dad

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would have to come in and put
an imaginary lead in it and walk it

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out, and I think that they
always been. Is it attached to you

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at birst kind of thing? Is
it in your bloodline? There's a lot

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of talk going into that. At
the moment, I wish I could say,

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Categoryclett, they are this, spopsasquatch, bigfoot, wild my skin walkers,

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the whole nine yards. I'm not
sure you're dealing with a witness that's

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giving you a description and they might
have a very limited scope of experience on

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that. Or then you might get
somebody who knows everything about cryptid and see

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it and say, oh, it
was definitely this and this. I wouldn't

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want to see you what. I'm
going to be completely honest with you.

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Anything that's eight feet tall, that's
got teeth like a dog and can keep

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up with a car at seventy miles
an hour is not something I want to

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be messing with. But unfortunately that's
my job and that's what I have to

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do. I have to go in
the woodlands and look for these creatures,

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or go on to people's property and
make them stay away. In the early

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days, that was really hard to
do until I realized that They are like

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bullies. The second you stand up
to them and you're saying no, no

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more, that's the line is drawn
in the sand, they will back right

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off and they'll go look for another
victim. So is one of the things

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that I do as well as investigating, and I try and get the witness

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to investigate the place themselves because with
that come some confidence. I would love

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to speak to Kerry because I think
maybe something's attached at some point to Kerry

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and that's why it's followed us to
a different aject. It's not the land

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and it's not the house, it's
you as a person. So I lived

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in a series of haunted houses and
then I worked out with my farties.

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It was probably made. It was
the comment I think your listeners will understand

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that. I think it's going to
have been saying for some of them as

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well. Yeah, it's very difficult. I think for a lot of the

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listeners of this show, they tend
to be more of the flesh and blood

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bigfoot people. For the most part. Now, a lot of people have

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reached out and they were very interested
in Robin's story. Some people thought it

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was complete hogwash and baloney that she's
had all these experiences and she doesn't have

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anything to show for it as far
as proof is concerned, because she sent

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me some pictures and they were not
the best pictures in the world of what

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she claimed to be seeing. So
a lot of people just correlate that with

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she's probably making this up. I
get that experience, I get that response

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from people, but it's very difficult, I think, for a lot of

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people, and including me, who
hasn't really dealt with a lot of that,

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to wrap my brain around the fact
that it's more about the person and

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that these things are possibly following these
people, and that makes me, at

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least my personal opinion lean towards that
it may be something more spiritual. That's

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a question that came up recently that
you could talk about as well. For

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the skeptics out there, the naysayers, I always get that there's no way

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that any of this could exist in
the UK for people, unless it's an

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interdimensional or it's an alien it's coming
from another place. I had a listener

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who reached out to me recently.
Some people have probably heard the jingle that

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Glenn did. He's from London.
He and his girlfriend were in town here

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over the weekend as we record this. It was like Sunday. I went

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out and met them for coffee.
They were passing through North Carolina and I

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got to meet up with him.
He's a huge fan of the show,

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so I went and had coffee with
him and talked for an hour. And

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he's from the UK, and that's
one of the things that he said to

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me. He's a believer in Sasquatch. He believes. He loves the show,

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he loves the encounter stories, and
he believes they exist. He just

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has a problem wrapping his brain around, for example, the UK stories.

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And I know that you've dealt with
that because you had an experience you've shared

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on this show as a child.
The naysayers with you are if these things

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are flesh and blood, there's no
way that they can actually exist. But

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they do exist for everybody that you
deal with. So how do you handle

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that when people come at you,
or even sometimes the witnesses say to you,

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I don't know how this is possible, because I don't know where they

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would come from and go to.
How do you deal with that as an

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investigator? And how do you answer
that question for people? And stay tuned

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for more sasquatch right back after these
messages. I think for me, I've

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had forty five years of experience,
and the first thirty five year of them.

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I believe that subsquatch is a living, breathing, flesh and blood creature,

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is corporeal. I believe that they
make that they have places where they

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go to that we're not accessible to, because I've seen the physical evidence of

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it. And it was only probably
fifteen years ago when I started to realize

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that not everythince fitted into that box
of this flash and blood creature. Some

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people were experiencing things that they couldn't
explain, and that's where the interest lies

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for me. So so people talk
about cloaking, it might not be this

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mesa physical dimensional being. It might
be that there's something about that hair that

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works as a natural camouflage, so
they reflect whatever's around it, mirrors it

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backwards. You hear about these predator
being that are moving through the woodlands,

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which seems very paranormal, but that
could be a technology of some kind that

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we don't understand. It could be
something that they are born with, like

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an octypus can change color and disguise
itself. I think their hair might have

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something to do with that, because
when we look into hair study, I

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think Dr Melton himself in Alaska came
across as a hair that did not fit

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the human genome. There was a
different DNA to it, so which tells

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me that for me, my personal
opinion is that they're on the cominid line.

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They are maybe a brother or a
cousin to us in some shape our

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farm. But I only believe that
about Sasquatch. I think all of the

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other beings are the cases that I
work. We've got to look at the

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paranormal supernatural, and then you've got
the opinion of the witness. So they're

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seeing that creature for the first time, and that might seem magical to them

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the way that it's just suddenly appeared
within the woodland. But we know that

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their masters of their environment. They
can transfer would without breaking a twig or

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making a sound that comes across as
paranormal or supernatural. But it's a bed

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a while ago by just simply saying
I don't know what they are, but

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here are all the theories as to
what they are. Are they a sentient

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being? Why they just a simple
eight? I don't agree with a simple

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eight. They're far too intelligent for
that. I've seen him run rings around

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hunters who have been in the woodlands
their entire lives. Remember Randa, We

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both know Randy, the guy in
Canada he saw a sasquatch and a moose

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basically fight to the death. Now, this is a man who's native to

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the area. He's hunted there his
entire life. He's still going to go

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out the next day and hunt.
And he's absolutely terrified. And the people

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that he did hunt with now don't
want anything to do with it because he's

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had this strange experience. Then you
think Alaska is the home of the heir

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hairy man. It goes back so
far in your history, and yet people

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have likely he's seen it. But
this is a man who knows the wood

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He knows the outdoors like nobody else. He knows how to hunt and feed

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his family. He's gone in there
very STEALTHI left, he hasn't pulled up

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ten minutes away and slammed the car
door. And he's done but exactly what

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a hunter would do, and make
himself smell like the woodland. And he's

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gone in complete incognito. You sit
down, you got quiet, and you

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let the woodland come to life around
you again. And when the small cristis

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moved and the bigger cristisle move and
he was doing that, and he said,

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it was just come out of the
musket. This moose just came out.

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His eyes were rolling, it was
screaming. He said he'd never heard

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the moose make that kind of noise
before. And the creature on the back

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of the moose was swatting at it, and he was hitting the front of

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the moose, he said, And
I think it was trying to get it

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here, from what he was saying. And that's how the battle ended.

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It pulled his neck back and down
it went. And I said to him,

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what did you do? And he
said nothing. I had my gun

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in my hand. I didn't even
think about using it, and I just

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slowly walked out like that as slow
as I could for the whole way,

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because he was incomplete and us a
shock, which is understandable, isn't it.

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But that is definitely a flesh and
blood creature of some guide for Randa,

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that is a creature that's killing a
moose, probably to eat it.

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For what other reason would he kill
the moose? And then you have to

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look about all the other things that
go around these site to report. So

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we're not just looking for a creature. If it's flesh and blood. We

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need to be seeing prints. We
need to be seeing a habitat, a

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habit within a habitat, the weaddy
mikes through an area, what they leave

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behind those kinds of things. A
number of cases that I've worked to discussed

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creatures where the belly's been sliced and
only the liver's been taken. Now,

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that is the most nutritious part of
the body, the liver. That shows

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me intelligence. This is an intelligent
creature that's moving through an area. Then

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we look at seasonal patterns. Are
there any other reports at any point in

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history or in the last ten years, twenty thirty years where we can get

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a date or a season. So
we have a case in the UK.

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So a young lady living in an
absolutely beautiful part of the country, Cornwall,

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sadly she can go. She's on
a cliff edge, got to sea

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out in front of her, and
just woodlands and farms at the back of

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her. And she's lived their entire
life. She's a survivalist. She's camped

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on Dartmoor, she's hunted the Beast
of Dartmoor. She makes me look like

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a wimp. One night, she
has an argument with her husband, she

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storms out about ten thirty at night
on a lane that she's watched her entire

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life. And she said, I
suddenly walked into two groups of something hunting.

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Whatever was up on this side of
the hill was making a series of

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clicking noise and it was driving the
sheep down the hill, and whatever was

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down the embankment was answering with a
similar noise, as if to say,

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we're ready, we're in position.
Moved And she said she was just completely

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terrified, just terrified. Same thing
just walked out of their backwards and she

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said to me, will they come
to the house, Will they come and

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get me? And I said,
no, I don't think so at all.

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I think you've walked into something.
Just give me a day to go

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and look and see what I can
find on that area, because I knew

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that I'd had two reports in that
area anyway, So I went, I

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looked, and I managed to find
another one. So that's three previous and

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00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.200
you were all in February. Every
one of them had happened in February,

407
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.640
which is early spring in the UK. This is down south, so they're

408
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.680
in much warmer weather than I am
up here, so we expect spring to

409
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.440
come in earlier there, and I
think that's what was happening. I think

410
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.359
there was something moving through that area
because it was not a foraging route as

411
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.480
I would Carley, where I honestly
believe that they are great and follow the

412
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.920
food, because you're depleting area.
As your friends said, it's not on

413
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.920
a room in the UK. You
could deplete an area of Christ's in about

414
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.960
four weeks if you were on birds
and rabbits. Animals are not dafted,

415
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.079
just me. But I was able
to say to her it's a seasonal thing,

416
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.559
a seasonal pattern, and you were
Unfortunately you walked into that. But

417
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.559
that wasn't enough. She left that
beautiful place and moved into the town because

418
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.920
it just ruined it for her.
I like the idea of going for a

419
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.839
walk out there in the dark again
was over for her and she can't do

420
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.799
that anymore. I understand what that
feels like. Has that been there about

421
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.519
twenty five years looked away after what
I saw something close to my heart.

422
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.839
If I can help that person get
back out, I don't care whether it's

423
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.839
flash and blood, corporeal sentient being. I see that witness, and I

424
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.359
see the struggles that they're having,
and I think, let's break it down

425
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.319
to them as small as they can. It didn't reach out and grab you.

426
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.839
And that's not enough sometimes because it
wasn't enough for her. Because I'm

427
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:47.279
just someone in a few hundred miles
away. I can't running help on.

428
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:48.759
It's not a whole lot I can
do. And that's when I sat out

429
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.839
looking for other investigators because I thought, I need to get them all over

430
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.240
the country so that we can get
on these cases really quick. We need

431
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.000
to be looking forensically about what's happened
if we make in these claims that they

432
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.720
are in the UK, and we
need to answer all of the questions that

433
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.039
the skeptics have for us, and
the same pressures that you have in the

434
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.079
US. How do they breed?
Where did the bodies go? And I

435
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.200
have to research that and that's what
I've don't ask for forty five years,

436
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.880
fifty years now actually e this year
researching all of those questions. Less than

437
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.519
ten percent of the UK is urban, and that includes all roads, hospitals,

438
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.279
airports, a whole nine yards.
Yeah, seventy percent of it's arable

439
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:32.359
farming land really be small conurbations and
towns, and on the edges of those

440
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.759
towns it's just green what we call
green belt land. You can't build on

441
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.880
it. It's little streams and woodlands. Go to the main river, and

442
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:44.640
you know yourself that they are seen
on the rivers starting at the estuary going

443
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.440
inland, and that is not something
that's paranormal because it wouldn't be feeding.

444
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.279
It could just pop up where it
wanted, whenever it wanted. This shows

445
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:59.440
a seasonal pattern of food and foraging. Yeah, I definitely want to get

446
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.440
back to some of the the other
stories about being followed home in some of

447
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.160
those cases, but before we move
on to that, I think it's a

448
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.640
very good point about helping people,
because that's one of the reasons that Carrie

449
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.480
reached out to me. She trusted
me enough to tell me her story for

450
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.720
the first time. She had never
really shared that with anybody. She shared

451
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.559
some of the story on the stage
that year at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference,

452
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:19.000
and I was there to see that, and I thought it was a

453
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.960
fantastic thing for her to be able
to do that and let that go but

454
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.599
she reached out to me because I'm
somebody that she trust and she wants help

455
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.480
with this. I did the things
that I can tell her if it's a

456
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.200
flesh and blood creature, if it
is a bigfoot. I told her some

457
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.200
of the things that I have learned
in my experience to tell people that work.

458
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.480
Lights, loud noises, and even
setting up as crazy as it sounds,

459
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.279
setting up like these air horned things
that you can activate with a string,

460
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.319
and just things like that when things
are going on. So, if

461
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:49.240
it is a flesh and blood creature, whether it's a bear or whether it's

462
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.880
a bigfoot, these things tend to
work, at least in my experience from

463
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.519
things that I've heard in the past
with people having them on their property and

464
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.359
whatnot. Let's talk a little bit
about how you approached when somebody reaches out

465
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.160
to you for help. Do you
first have to as an investigator for you,

466
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.240
do you have to figure out,
ay, is this a flesh and

467
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.240
blood thing? Is it a possible
spiritual thing? And then how do you

468
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.440
approach that. I know, at
least for me, I'm very careful with

469
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.079
what I give people as far as
information, because if I give them the

470
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.440
wrong information. Then I'm responsible for
that person at this point, So my

471
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.920
cop brain goes into I'm on a
nine one one call. I can't tell

472
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.640
this person to just go back in
and hug it out with a person who

473
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.440
just beat the crap out of them
and they end up dead because I'm on

474
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.240
the hook for this. It's the
same thing when we're talking about these kind

475
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.839
of investigations. You've been doing this
a ton of time, way longer than

476
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.599
I have. Talk to me about
it and give the audience some of the

477
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:45.119
things that you are able to give
people during your investigations. The first thing

478
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.359
of say with people, honestly is
I don't have the answers fire. I'm

479
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.400
not going to be able to come
in and cure this in fifteen minutes.

480
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.960
Last summer, we had a gentleman
who's a wild camper so Bival Israelia,

481
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.440
and he's out in Wales and he's
camping one evening and he's got a little

482
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:07.480
fire going and he suddenly here's something
in his head telling him not to put

483
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.079
the fire out. And I'm shortening
this down to as much as I can.

484
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.680
What happened was basically he said he
saw a number of bigfoot creatures,

485
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.519
about four or five big boot creatures, and they were saving him from another

486
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:22.759
creature that had come in that wanted
it, that wanted to hurt him.

487
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:28.680
And during that one of the big
foot was killed and the other bigfoots dragged

488
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.279
the creature off. I have to
say to this man that I don't have

489
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.759
the answers fire. I don't know, but what I'm going to do is

490
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.240
if we do this in your way, I always give them the control.

491
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.960
So I say to them, what
do you want me to do? What

492
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.279
do you know? What do you
want me to do? And he just

493
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.880
wanted to get it off his chest. He wanted to speak about it.

494
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.160
Then. That was last year.
So now we've just been in contacts again

495
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.519
because he's ready to be interviewed.
He said, I've seen all those comments

496
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.359
that people put on your YouTube depth
saying things about you and when things like

497
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.279
that, and I said, don't
worry about that. I don't worry about

498
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.440
comments. Only matters to me what
you think of mething. You took the

499
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.160
time to trust me. I'll do
whatever I can. But there are other

500
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.079
cases where I can get them just
in touch with somebody else I can investigator.

501
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.119
So one of the cases that speak
about today is Polish's in Staffordshire and

502
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:22.680
she saw something about three thirty in
the morning. I'll go into the description

503
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.960
in a moment, but I was
able to put her in touch with an

504
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.839
investigator who's only about seven miles away
from her, so they are now in

505
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.960
constant contact. Because I can't personally
see to every single witness that I get,

506
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:37.519
but what I do is I try
and get them in touch with somebody

507
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.160
there who's happy he ates to go
back into the area with them, and

508
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.480
they're just there if they need to
call them. But what I like to

509
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.000
do is if it sounds very flesh
and blood like it's around the home and

510
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.319
things have been taken like seed or
animal bland, kicks or anything that I

511
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.279
can say that slash and blood,
then we hit it like a general investigation.

512
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.240
We get investigators down there and we
see what I can find out.

513
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.039
I always asked the witness to journal
anything and everything that sounds strange, So

514
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.360
even if it's like strange bird calls, anything that's out of there, not

515
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.960
I want to know about it.
Because if a apet's predator is moving through

516
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.519
a woodland, we will hear animals
warning each other this is going on,

517
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.039
and I want to know what time
of days a happening, because I'm convinced

518
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.679
that they hunt dawning dust. I
don't think we sleep eight hours like the

519
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.280
human I think they like early man. They would sleep at the hottest part

520
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.599
of the day and hunt in the
morning and then come out when the Christians

521
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.920
are out, which is late on
it night as I dust get dark.

522
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.119
So I want to be able to
tag all of that. I want to

523
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.679
see if there's any prints, any
footprints on the land, or any animals

524
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.039
that have been harmed in any way. So there was a case in Scotland.

525
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.440
I didn't work at Charmagne. Fraser
worked it, but we're very close

526
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.480
colleagues, and she was able to
work out that the route that these creatures

527
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.639
were taking was going past the farmhouse, around the feed barn and then off

528
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.280
the land, and that fi I
actually saw them carry away an animal.

529
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:06.960
So that tells me that they're on
there for food. So then, like

530
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.599
you, we have to discourage them, like you would discourage a bear.

531
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.559
You don't feed a bear because it's
cheapiet and cheap yet and then unfortunately you're

532
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.199
going to die or the bear is
going to die, and that's what's going

533
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.199
to happen in a crypted case.
We've got to understand for them being seen

534
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.480
and get them killed. There are
people in the UK that have got shot

535
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.039
buns. You do. If you're
in the countryside, you are allowed to

536
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:30.320
shock, but to keep yourself safe. So I tend to say no gifting,

537
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.679
no leaving food out on the property. Nothing that will entice in any

538
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.519
way, shape or far. You
need to set really good boundaries go around.

539
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.679
You don't take us your own folk, but pee on your fence post.

540
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.400
That's what an animal does. An
animal marks is sent everywhere, and

541
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.400
that we did as your early humans, we did the same thing. So

542
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.840
start thinking like a pavement, I
don't want this thing on my land.

543
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.440
So what am I going to do? Start rid of it, noise distraction,

544
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.760
anything you can do, set fireworks
off if you have to, but

545
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.880
you get it moving in the off
posit direction, so the next time it's

546
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.679
coming through it a voyagual and like
anything. But if there's none of that

547
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.920
going on and it's this thing that's
happening at the same time every day,

548
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.519
I know it's a residual haunting.
So all I've got to do with that

549
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:19.119
is make the witness more confident and
they will deal with that themselves. So

550
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.280
a lot of the things that I
do when I'm working cases this my main

551
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.320
prior's speaking to that witness, getting
as much information out of that witness as

552
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.079
I can, and I can sit
down and think right deck while we're going

553
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.920
to go forward with this one.
Because I don't just do cryptic reports.

554
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:37.719
I do all manners because in the
UK, and it's the same as American

555
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.440
everywhere else, if you report doesn't
fit a certain criteria, they won't take

556
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.920
it, they'll throw it out.
I don't do that. I'll take anything,

557
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.000
and if I can't answer them mysels, I'll find somebody that can.

558
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.280
So it might be a case that
comes in and I have no experience and

559
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.400
it whatsoever. But I'm really good
at listening. So I'll sit and I'll

560
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:59.360
listen and I'll let them talk it
out to and then I'll say, I

561
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.519
don't know what's to do from here
on? Is it okay with you?

562
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.360
If I reach out to a B
or see because I think that they could

563
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.440
help, and I try and do
that if I can, And that's how

564
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.119
I end up meeting people like you
and all of my own other American friends.

565
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.079
Sharing the information is the way to
go because we've all got the same

566
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.159
questions and we're all trying to help
people. That's what you do as a

567
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.599
podcaster. I know for some people
they think that we just do this hour,

568
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.280
and it's not. It's so much
work. It was in beforehand getting

569
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.559
that person comfortable enough to sit down
and speak with you on camera. You

570
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.840
know yourself. You'll get an email
and the person's not prepared to talk,

571
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.840
but they need to tell somebody about
the experience. And then I try and

572
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.719
talk through as many of them as
I can, and once I spoke to

573
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.480
make a handle on the case,
I know what I'm doing. So,

574
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.400
like Terror, I want to sit
down with Terra and listen to it from

575
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.639
day one. And I want to
know if it's in a family. I

576
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.320
want to know if more dad,
granddad, aunts, unples, anything like

577
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.079
that. Have you ever seen a
UFO Have you ever seen it go?

578
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.679
Because it might be something in your
bloodline with the paranorvel and the supernatural,

579
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:14.159
so people actually want that interaction,
They want the creatures to come on their

580
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.280
land. They want to do this
habituation, and you have to warn and

581
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.400
that this might not play out in
the way that you expect it to play

582
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.400
out, because for all your after
a relationship, they might not be and

583
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.960
you've just become a hindrance and an
obstacle and they'll do everything they can to

584
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.320
movie off that land. Let's get
back to the original thing we were talking

585
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.800
about, these things following people home. Have you had other cases? I

586
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.639
think you did mention other cases where
you thought it was not necessarily trying to

587
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.920
protect people from something, but it
may have nefarious motivation. Can you talk

588
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.800
about a couple of other cases that
you've been working on and what your theory

589
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.119
is about what they are and how
that's playing out for these folks. Yeah.

590
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.840
Yeah, Case I mentioned earlier with
the chat where it was coming around

591
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.400
his home and he saw a bed
outside in his garden. He actually did

592
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.880
the Lord's prayer when he saw its
head peak round. He did the Lord's

593
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.639
pray and it worked. Everything stopped
and it backed off, and that was

594
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.239
it. That's all he had to
do. I'm going to keep talking to

595
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.800
him because he's had experiences with different
kinds of phrenomena for being a very small

596
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.840
child. So I asked him if
he'd ever been saved by something, and

597
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.960
he said, actually, yeah,
I have, which is that happens as

598
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.480
well, So I think that's a
connection to him. Another case I'd like

599
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.400
to talk about is a lady called
Polline. She won't mind me mentioning in

600
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.039
the UK, and I'm sure it's
the same for you that sometimes when you

601
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.440
come out of hospital you're not well
enough to go home, so you go

602
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.840
to it like a convalescent home kind
of thing. And last year in the

603
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.199
UK it was our words drought since
nineteen seventy six. Is really hot.

604
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.679
None of us could sleep. We're
not used to that China heat here and

605
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:53.920
taking the dogs out was a real
problem because they were losing the skin on

606
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.719
their feet, so a lot of
them was included were walking the dogs at

607
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.480
two am, three am in the
morning when it was cooler. This lady's

608
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.960
relative was in a pair home and
she's got to drive out to the countryside

609
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.719
to visit her. And she said, they're not the nicest the places in

610
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.159
the morning depth, so I tend
to go and visit her at night,

611
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.039
which I understood. She's done the
visit, she's took the dog for a

612
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.960
water and at the woodland put the
dog in the car, all the windows

613
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.679
are up. She's driving now what
we call a little country lane that you

614
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.159
have in America. There's nothing on
either sided, just driving and the river

615
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.480
walk comes in and this is tiny
little bridge. And sometimes in the UK,

616
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.039
when they're doing work, they'll put
some traffic lights. They're just a

617
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.159
temporary set of traffic lights. Now, even when there's no other car on

618
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:38.920
the road and there's not going to
be for an hour for some reason,

619
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.320
we still wait sit there and we
wait for this great light. So she

620
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.679
sat in the car and she's doing
just that, and she said, to

621
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:50.760
mehere, for four or five nights
before, she'd felt really uneasy as she'd

622
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.679
approached this area. She didn't know
why. She said, it wasn't anything

623
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.320
I saw. I just felt a
bit uneasier and I wanted to get through

624
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.599
the area as quick as it could, and she said, and this night

625
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.360
it was no different. So she
pulls up at the traffic lights and she

626
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.400
sees what, at first she thinks
is a huge shire horse, so like

627
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.400
a war horse, you would probably
quite a huge beast of a thing.

628
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:16.519
They are. And she said,
I'm thinking it stood behind this tree because

629
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.039
I can only see the backside of
it, and it cit'sacus three in the

630
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.280
morning. It can't really see much. So she pulls the car back so

631
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.519
she can get her red lights on
it. She thinks it's a very expensive

632
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.000
horse, so like me, she's
used to horses. My first thought was

633
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.360
that's going to get hit by a
car. I need to get it on

634
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.440
a ledge and then off phone nine
nine and say look, and thinks that

635
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.239
was her intention. So I pulls
the car back and I'm looking at it,

636
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.920
she said, and I can see
the trunk of the tree, and

637
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.400
I can see it hiding behind it. And then the trunk of the tree

638
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.480
moved and I realized that was an
arm and whatever this was, it was

639
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.280
standing up on two legs and it
walked out across the car in front of

640
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.440
the car. She said, I
couldn't get me windows up all. At

641
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.760
the same time, the dog was
not happy, and I just put my

642
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:06.239
foot down and I drove until I
got home. And she was absolutely terrified.

643
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.440
But she's understandable. She's seen something
that it's impossible in the UK.

644
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.239
She's not somebody who understands what a
cryptid is, a dog man or anything

645
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.159
like that. So the only descriptions
she put gibrieo is it was really sick

646
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:23.639
and black and muscular, and it
was canine, definitely canine. She said,

647
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.719
I decided that I wouldn't be walking
my dog there anymore. What she

648
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.079
decided to do, and it's something
I'll encourage people to do, is look

649
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.039
for somewhere closer to home and go
in the daytime. If you've got that

650
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.719
fear of the woods and you don't
want to go, that's understandable. So

651
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.320
you've got to start small. Just
go somewhere local where you feel quite comfortable,

652
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.360
and walk they dog until you get
back in. That's what she does.

653
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.000
And she sat on a log and
the dog's walking around, and the

654
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:53.199
next thing she just feels that something's
watching her from the trees. And stay

655
00:42:53.199 --> 00:43:01.760
tuned for more Sasquat Jalousy right back
after these messages, and this tree starts

656
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:07.599
to shake violently, she said.
And I realized at that point, I'm

657
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.559
on my own here, and the
car's torture of a mile that way,

658
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.440
and he's only me and the dog, she said. She basically said something

659
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.480
to it in her head, not
don't you dare come out. I don't

660
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.880
want to see you. And she
gets herself back in the car and she

661
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.239
goes home. Then a relative is
ready to come home. They made a

662
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.000
relative back into the bone below.
She's like a one level ranch and things

663
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.960
start happening around the perimeter fence.
Dog doesn't want to go out in the

664
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:40.599
garden anymore. She's seeing peeping almost
peeping figures at the back fence. So

665
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.400
she isn't really just She's had no
religion like me growing up, so she

666
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.000
didn't automatically go to the large prayer
or anything. So the best way that

667
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.039
I can help her is what I
did was I put her in touch with

668
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.559
Billy, and Billy is a guy
I trust one hundred percent and he's very

669
00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.639
close in area to her. So
he now is going back with it every

670
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.400
weekend. They go back every week
until that spot or they'll but Mechanic Chase,

671
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.000
which is the biggest were wolf hot
spot in the UK. And that's

672
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:14.480
to get a confidence bill and being
so learning to set some boundaries. If

673
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.400
this creature's coming around your home,
the worst thing that you can do is

674
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.960
nothing. So I said to her, what would you do if it was

675
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.000
a male? What would you do
if it was some predatory male around your

676
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.079
house? She said, I wouldn't
brought up with it. I said,

677
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.079
well, what you need to do
with this, because basically that's what it

678
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.920
is. It's feeding off your fear. You've been the only person I've been

679
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.079
able to pick up on that in
the longest time, and then suddenly you

680
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.199
can. And it's interesting. She
sees me, Oh my god, Look

681
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.039
she's frightened with me, and that
makes it more confident, and it makes

682
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.800
it feed on this fear. So
then you've got to try and tip those

683
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.320
scales. Eit of the way,
haven't you. We don't want that being

684
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:59.239
so for all it's presenting as a
wolf like creature that to me is not

685
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.519
a flesh and blow encounter. I
would see that more as something dimensonal that's

686
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.960
coming in and out and it's attracted
the thing and distress and upset. So

687
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.760
the best way to stop that is
take those things away. You don't scare

688
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.239
me anymore, you don't upset me
anymore. I'm not frightened of you.

689
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:20.559
In fact, you come here again
and you'll be frightened in me. You've

690
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.639
got to have that kind of attitude. And some people say it can't be

691
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.199
that easy. Oh, it's not
easier doing that, because you've really got

692
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.559
to believe it. Can't just say
the words and it will magically go away.

693
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.800
You've got to know that you are
stronger than this thing, and that's

694
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.639
why it's feeding off you. But
what you've got there is a woman is

695
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:43.239
probably my age, who's very confident
and he's used to being outside with the

696
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.960
doc, who suddenly doesn't want to
do that anymore. So that's the whole

697
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:52.039
part of her life that she's got
to give up because this feeding thing decided

698
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.519
that she was going to be the
victim. So no, you're not going

699
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.000
to do that. I'm would have
put her in touch with somebody who I

700
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.039
know that will con you off and
then that will go from me and will

701
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.840
do that. So I was sat
down with Polly in a while because I

702
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.119
know that Billy's seem to her.
But I said to the pair and if

703
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.599
you need me, just wring me
and I'll be there on the end of

704
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.840
the foe. But I know this
is going to be fine. They're going

705
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.000
to manage to shut it down between
themselves. It's ongoing, and it might

706
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:21.039
be ongoing for a number of years
because it is for some people, And

707
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:22.679
honestly, I don't know how I
do what I do, right, I

708
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.800
don't know. I wasn't training any
of this. I just got to it,

709
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.000
and she was civil in myself.
I was seeing things at home,

710
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.559
and I had something at my back
guarden at home, and I've moved.

711
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:36.679
I saw footprints that came right to
my back guard and going through the swamp.

712
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.639
I ain't like that's all, and
like you, we probably are attracting

713
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.159
things because this is our job and
this is what we did. When I

714
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.320
meet people in the field that have
had these creatures around them, and I

715
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.960
hold the hand and I touched them, and I walk around with them,

716
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:53.480
and I go to the homes and
I have a cup of tea there.

717
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:58.280
So quite often I make sure I
ground myself before I go back home.

718
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.079
So I'm not bringing anything home with
me because I've got children and a husband

719
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:06.320
and grandchildren. I don't want this
to affect them in any way, shape

720
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.840
or form. But I can't leave
those people out there on their own either,

721
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.079
because I used to be that person. I thought there was something wrong

722
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.400
with me in here. I really
did. If you've just spoken to them

723
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.159
five years ago, I had no
confidence whatsoever. I couldn't do a phone

724
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.679
call I can do any of those
things because I was so beat down by

725
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.280
this spear, and the minute I
worked out that, I'm going a minute,

726
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.239
I'm not afraid of anything else in
your life is nothing only served.

727
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.559
It frightens me in any way,
shape or for Why are you frightening this?

728
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.119
Because it's the unknown and I don't
know what to do with it.

729
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:42.960
But I did know that if it's
on my coattails, I need to drop

730
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.559
me cout. I'm just not going
to for a frightening of you anymore.

731
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.920
And I made myself go into that
garden every night in the pitch flat,

732
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.400
even if it was for twenty seconds, and I would stand there defying I'm

733
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.039
not going in because of you,
And that got longer longer, until now

734
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.360
I can be out there. It's
macessarly not frightened anymore. But I understand

735
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.360
the journey, and that's what's important. So I can say to people I

736
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.440
was where you were ten years ago, and look at me now with at

737
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.440
the difference. There is life after
oven in a and you can't even say

738
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.599
a cryptid experience, an absolutely horrifying
life changing experience. You do find a

739
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.159
way farward from it. It is
definitely a journey, and you've touched on

740
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.320
a couple of things. I was
taking notes as you were talking, and

741
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.840
one of the things that I wrote
down, this has been happening to me

742
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.719
so much lately. I have a
very compelling story on Somebody will come on

743
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.760
and share their experience, their encounters. They'll mention photographs, so they'll mention

744
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.480
videos, or they'll mention evidence that
they have. It's almost without failed has

745
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.559
happened with Robin's case. She's had
interactions with sasquatch, according to her,

746
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:52.960
for decades. And she sends me
twenty blurry pictures of what looks like trees

747
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.760
and leaves. Is that something that
you deal with as an investigator. I'm

748
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.679
sure you do, just like I
do. I get emails right before we

749
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.239
hop on. Actually I got an
email from a lady that I just interviewed

750
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.320
Gosh about a week ago. Her
show hasn't aired yet, and she sends

751
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.760
me this picture of what looks like
one of these cloaked predator type deals that

752
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.079
you were talking about earlier. She
thinks it has something to do with vibrations

753
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.800
and possibly the infrasound. I look
at the picture and I zoomed in on

754
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.880
it. That's really compelling. There's
something there, but I don't know what

755
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.960
that is. How do you deal
with that as an investigator? Because I

756
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.159
know it's difficult for me when I
see photographs like that after I have a

757
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.000
conversation that's very compelling and the person
is I don't like to use the word

758
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:39.880
believable, but extremely competent. They're
clearly mentally aware of what's going on,

759
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.599
and then they send you these photographs
or these videos or whatever the case may

760
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.639
be. How do you deal with
that as an investigator? Do you have

761
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:53.000
an explanation for why that is?
That these photographs? It's the quote unquote

762
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.440
blur blob squads, Right. It
seems like everybody who has a really wild

763
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.480
experience with these things and then capture
some sort of evidence of that experience,

764
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.559
it tends to turn out that way. Is that the same thing for you

765
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.199
and your investigations? And how do
you deal with that? And what kind

766
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:13.239
of questions do you ask? Because
I've started asking some very pointed questions of

767
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.960
people. If you have an habituation
situation where you're dealing with sasquatch for thirty

768
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.840
years and you're taking pictures, why
are all the pictures crappy. Why isn't

769
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.519
there at least one picture that somebody
could say, Wow, that looks like

770
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.760
the creature that you described in your
encounter. Is that something that you deal

771
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.239
with and if so, how are
you dealing with it? As an investigator?

772
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:31.960
Number one, A lot of people
saying to me, what you think

773
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:36.119
of this? If it's not their
image, and it's not their what I

774
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.159
say, I don't critique other people's
work. It's not I wasn't stood next

775
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.159
to him, so I don't know. But Robbie, me and Robbin all

776
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.800
have a conversation, and she I
can understand Robbie straight away. She's correct.

777
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.519
At some of these beings use magnetic
to move around us in One of

778
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.559
the easiest things to ask them for
is a comparison shot. So if somebody's

779
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:58.519
saying that that six feet away from
them there is something in that, there's

780
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.719
something shadowy, in doubt within that
woodland. I can accept that if they

781
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.199
take another photograph five minutes later and
there's nothing dark there. But if it's

782
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.000
just the one picture where it's like
there's a dog man in this image,

783
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.639
maybe I'm not supposed to see it. Maybe Robin's supposed to see it because

784
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.800
we all have our different abilities.
But if it's being declared as a flesh

785
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.079
and blood preacher, that is no
different taking a photograph of a deer.

786
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.719
I want to see the field with
no deer in it, and I want

787
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.280
to see the field with the deer
in it. So that's tense to how

788
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:34.119
I say. I say, do
you have any other comparison shots before or

789
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.840
after? If it's a still shot
from the video, which it very normally

790
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:44.599
is, we cannot take that as
evidence because video comes in all different forms

791
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.480
and it pixel eight. So I
can say to people, go back,

792
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.400
stand in the same spot and do
that video again, and if that stumps

793
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:57.679
asquatch whatever you calling it isn't there, then that's an anomala. We can

794
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.679
look at that as anomally and say
I'm going to you must have been something

795
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.039
there, because that's the trees being
blacked out. We can't see it.

796
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.840
One of the things that drabs slurply
drives me mad is Facebook groups and they're

797
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.760
sharing of found in another group,
no backstory. It should have a backstory,

798
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.840
because if you're telling me that you've
sat in a field and you've seen

799
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.920
this creature for what from one side
of the steal to the other and you

800
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.039
manage to get your video out and
your videoed it. Yeah, I want

801
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.960
to us to sit in that field
again and video. I want to make

802
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.639
sure that it wasn't something that we
would just mistake for it. And if

803
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.760
they're not prepared to do that,
then I don't bother with them, because

804
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.280
then there's nothing in down. They've
made the mind up before they come to

805
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.800
me. And some of the hardest
ones when they draw red rings around it.

806
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.119
Human brains are hard wired to find
a face. It is how we

807
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.519
communicate, before speech, before paralinguistics
or any of that. You can tell

808
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.960
if your partner's annoyed with you by
a simple look. You think, oh,

809
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.280
what I've had done now, because
that's how human beings work. So

810
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.840
don't draw ring around it, because
the same again, I want a comparison

811
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.480
shop, go back at the same
time, stand in the same spot and

812
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:16.119
take that photograph again and if there
isn't anything there, then we know.

813
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.000
And you know me as a person, nineteen nine percent of the work that

814
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.480
I get sent is not worth rely
looking at. Is weather damage, it's

815
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:30.559
natural foraging. It's animals from moving
to a place Charmee Fraser at the Scottish

816
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:36.199
Habituation Site managed to get a photograph
of something between the wire of a tree.

817
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:37.880
So I can't share. It's not
my photograph, but I can't ask

818
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.840
her if I can share it with
you. It looked like they think that

819
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:47.840
I saw that day. It was
very cave man. It had very muscular

820
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.280
jar, very muscular mandibles, but
like it could just chew through a bone.

821
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.920
So Charmee is a one hundred percent
legit investigator. She went wrapped back

822
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.159
to the tree and second photograph for
me. You couldn't even see her in

823
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.760
the Why it was too tall.
I'm only shot, I'm only five.

824
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.239
Sharman is quite so. And we're
talking about a woman who's an academic who

825
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:15.719
saw something at the age of eight
and has been told on numerous occasions that

826
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.360
was because she's mentally ill. She
actually is a health worker. She works

827
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:25.239
with people and has done an entire
working life work within the mental illness because

828
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.280
she saw something as a child,
and like me, she's been called a

829
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.639
liar their entire life. That's the
way of doing it. But she is

830
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.800
legit, so she can say,
yes, here is a photograph with an

831
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.320
empty tree. And here is a
photograph and it does seem to be something

832
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:42.119
in it. But even then we've
got a look at what animal was in

833
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.800
the UK would sit in the crook
of that train? Could it be a

834
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.079
squirrelf? No, it's way too
big. Could it be this? Could

835
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.159
it be that? And when we've
reeled all of those things out, then

836
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.719
it's an anomaly. And then we
send a team and we say we think

837
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.119
something's going on in this land.
But I want to know out of that

838
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.239
land. No creature stays on that
bit of woodland twenty four to seven wait

839
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.639
for a human to come along.
It's got to come in and it's got

840
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:06.559
to come out. And I want
to know those routes. I want to

841
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.559
know those choke points. I want
to know if farmers are noticing things missing

842
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.559
and they add any strange animal kills
on the land. What I was talking

843
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:19.280
about before this slice up the Belly. This year I took a case in

844
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.159
Northumbling, North Fumbling, it's just
on the border with Scotland. Most people

845
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:27.880
will have heard of Hadrian's War.
You got Hadrian's Well, you've got Scotland

846
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.840
on that side of Northumberland. And
this a beautiful, absolutely beautiful place.

847
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:35.840
Hundreds and hundreds of big foot reports. Hundreds is an exaggeration, but lots

848
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.599
and lots of lots of big foot
reports. And it's a similar kind of

849
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:44.320
thing. Somebody is out there and
they take a photograph and this photograph looks

850
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:49.599
like a really decent print, really
decent toe on it, this movement going

851
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.599
through it. And I thought,
this is fantastic. This has not been

852
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.840
stamped in the ground. They even
took it from different angles, which is

853
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.960
wonderful because you shouldn't just take one
photograph of a print. You've got to

854
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.599
take it lie down on the from
there all of that. This is amazing.

855
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.960
It absolutely fits. So I said, can you let me know whereabouts?

856
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.079
It will send me a GPS pin. It is the middle of summer,

857
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:12.440
and they send me a pin on
a lake. So you've found a

858
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.239
bare footprint next to a lake in
some off probably a paddle border. Critical

859
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:20.920
thinking seems to be a lost art, Brian. So you've got a balance

860
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.719
either way. You've got somebody who's
doing it correctly and doing everything they can

861
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.639
to make it as scientific as they
can, and then you've got other people

862
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.559
who are just willingly live no comparison
item in the footprint nothing, So you're

863
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:37.679
just like, I can't really do
anything with that. But it is an

864
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.639
area where you get all of this
activity happening, so you've got to keep

865
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.840
it on the back burner. But
common sense tells me that's probably someone enjoying

866
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.360
water sports because it's some of the
hard question is once again, it's probably

867
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.239
boring. Each each case is different. You know yourself if it's worth putting

868
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.559
the time and you put it in
in it and nea if you don't think

869
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.039
it is. Just this week,
I've had a image coming from Ireland and

870
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.559
now loads of people are saying there's
no bigfoot in Ireland. Absolutely no bigfoot

871
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.840
in Island. Even I'd told you
that up to last year. It's not

872
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:13.320
enough water sources, was my answer. England has about fifty estuaries. I

873
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.840
think the island is about fines.
It's massively different. What I'd never learn

874
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:20.519
ob is the land of the lakes, and I know you guys have that,

875
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:22.920
but this one in Ireland trigger as
the sixty five lakes in one area,

876
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.679
believe it or not. And this
guy is not taking photographs of the

877
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:31.119
woodland. He's walking in the wood
and comes across his strange structure. Who

878
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:36.400
takes photographs of the structure. He
didn't see anything when he's out there,

879
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.559
and he doesn't see anything in the
photograph when he goes home, but he

880
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.159
shares it with his daughter and says, look at this strange thing I found,

881
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:46.519
and historic went, what's that in
the background. Looks like a bear

882
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:51.199
watching you. We don't have bears
in She didn't say the word there,

883
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.440
but she was like, it looks
like something watching it. He looked at

884
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.039
it and he said, actually he
does. She said it across to me.

885
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.639
One of the first things I do, You want to check the mesadata

886
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.039
on that image, because that'll tell
me where it's been talking the GPS time

887
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.760
a day, your whole night,
in your ass, whether it's been tampered

888
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.719
within anyway in a photograph, edything
this week, nothing, none of that.

889
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.920
And it's just this almost gingery red
head. You got bushes up to

890
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:20.800
out here. So I could throw
that and say it's not stood up.

891
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.239
It's not clear enough for me,
But that, to me, that's an

892
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:28.639
anomaly because he's not matching the color
of any natural day. So it might

893
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.880
be a red set of dog where
I doubt it's got a human shape,

894
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:34.599
head and shoulder, so that one
I woke up the work into. So

895
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:37.280
I've asked him to journal everything going
forward now. He was happy to tell

896
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.800
me where it was, where he
lived, everything. He was very open

897
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.320
about all of it, and he
isn't claiming it as anything. He's saying,

898
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.039
my daughters spotted something in this photograph. What do you think it is?

899
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.119
So I'll release it. I'm going
to release it next week and everybody'll

900
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.679
tell me what it is, even
at comparison shots where there wasn't anything in

901
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.480
that spot because he took a number
of photographs. So that's going to be

902
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.960
an interesting case as it plays out. Definitely sounds like it. So we've

903
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.559
talked about it a couple of times. Let's tell everybody about your show,

904
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.719
YouTube channel. Where can they find
you? Where can they listen to your

905
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.159
stuff? I can link to all
that in the show notes and everybody can

906
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.679
check out your stuff, and maybe
it really easy for folk. It's just

907
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.480
if you look up my name,
Debrah Hatswell or BBR Investigations, put YouTube,

908
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.239
you'll find the podcast, you'll find
me. I've just put everything in

909
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:25.800
my name, but I'm going to
send Brian a link my look train,

910
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:30.039
it's got all of them in there. If you like listening to the reporters

911
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:32.920
themselves in my annoying voice, then
it's a podcast you want. If you

912
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:36.840
want interviews or anything like that,
then you want to go over to YouTube.

913
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.920
But we also do a website because
there's a lot of articles come in

914
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:44.400
footprints, postcrass things that are and
that's my platform for sharing them. Or

915
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.440
if you just like Facebook and if
you're in the UK and you want to

916
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:52.519
get involved in this investigation in the
UK and everyone's telling you there's no way

917
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.440
you can do it, find me
because I've got a Facebook group that's been

918
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.239
going ten years and they're investigators in
there. They're happy to help you out,

919
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:00.639
They're happy to let you know how
to do it, and there are

920
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:05.599
a good bunch of people to bounce
ideas off. So if you're out there

921
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.679
and you're looking for me and you
can't find me, just hick Ryan up

922
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.000
and you have me a email and
I'll find me. I definitely will,

923
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.079
and I will put the link tree
in the show notes so you guys can

924
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.280
click right there and go over and
check out all of dev stuff. As

925
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.119
always, Deborah, it is a
pleasure to have you on the show.

926
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.400
I enjoy our conversations and I thank
you so much for coming on and she

927
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:27.599
in with us tonight. You're very
welcome. If you ever want me to

928
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.320
come back on, just give me
a shout and I will. I'm sure

929
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:35.159
you're gonna get a lot of questions. They say, you don't gotta go

930
01:00:37.320 --> 01:01:14.039
chesty, step step trying this child, that chid everything. Call me right

931
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:22.280
back, crying back, joy for
me. Enjoy staying right, you come

932
01:01:22.360 --> 01:02:30.559
it right away. Still stay step
step steps, do not do ussssstsssssst.

933
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:35.679
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