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Hey, Fred, this is David
from New Bruns with Canada and my favorite

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course is mac kleck Provincial Parts and
this is episode nine fifty one. I

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feel like I taught so much like
him and didn't know exist. But Tony

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talks about what matters, and what
really matters. He boils it down to

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is how do you strike this ball? Well? Everything is built around hitting

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the ball first and having a good
strike point. His whole process of building

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up of being more over the ball, a little more centered over it instead

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of feeling this big shift off of
it and then big shift back. Let's

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separate differencetween mass and pressure movements.
The pros are moving more pressure, not

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a lot of mass, and the
amateurs move a lot of mass and not

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much pressure. So they're moving their
mass way over their right foot than trying

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to get it back over left.
They never get it back front. So

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most golfers are going to be way
better off by figuring out how do I

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rotate much more right over the ball, and I'm going to figure out how

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to hit in front of this ball
and strike the ball much better. Everything

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Tony did was based on that golf
is hard, but it doesn't have to

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be if you know what you're looking
to improve. With Eric Sholberg, this

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is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,
tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise
your golf IQ. Here's your host,

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Fred Green. Welcome back to the
Golf Smarter podcast. Eric right, thank

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you for having me on. It's
a pleasure to be back in an honor

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once again. Oh dude, you
know you were my go to guy.

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It's like, oh, I need
I haven't talked to Eric in four months.

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It's time to get him back on
the show. We've got to get

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him back because you always have some
really great insights about teaching and about methods

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and about simple mistakes that people make
that they don't realize they're doing. So

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I always learned so much to when
I have you on the show. So

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thank you, thank you. I
feel like I get a lot of that

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with golf. I do teach a
lot of people that are like in my

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year lone programs where I'm seeing weekly, but a lot of people are like,

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hey, Eric, what I got
this going on? You know tomorrow?

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What am I going to do?
And I've been doing this and so

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I feel like I do it for
a lot of golfers to what you're a

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golfer to give me an example that's
really interesting, Like what was the most

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recent one that you heard. Hey, Eric, I need help because well,

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so I really feel like it's something
usually around how they're striking the ball.

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You know, it's just it's not
and usually how they analyze it is

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typically wrong. So Eric, I've
been recently doing this or doing this,

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but and I think my hips are
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And I get down to talking to
more about it, and you find

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out their strike points are really bad. They're hitting it behind it or they're

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topping it or something, and we
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I'll just give them a good routine, a good free shot routine.

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So I usually obviously had notes people
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do you remember that drill we did
do this drill before you hit and

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then change your focus when you're hitting
the ball to just hitting in front and

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pick that spot in front of the
ball. And it's very rare. They

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don't call me back and let me
know they had a great round, and

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you know it wasn't because probably maybe
the advice was so great it's just that

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they changed their mental thought too.
Instead of like, oh, I'm gonna

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go out tomorrow and focus on turning
my hips more or doing this on my

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shoulder, they're going to change their
whole thought process to hey, I'm going

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to hit four inches in front of
this ball with my irons, and they

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have a great round. But it
was just their mindset had changed off hitting

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two more swinging, you know.
Yeah. So I think we've learned many

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times from a lot of different people, from coaches to doctors to psychologists,

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that when you focus on your physical
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doing, you're not going to have
success. Oh you're done. It's just

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our body does a really good job, which I'm sure a lot of your

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listeners have already heard of organizing the
self and we just screw it up.

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Now. I do tell everybody on
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two things if you want, yeah, and go through that process because that's

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your To me, I really believe
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move the way we want it to, and our practice swing it says,

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hey, I want to do this. Then when we get up to hit,

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hopefully it kind of repeats that body
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one to do, and then we
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I usually say you think of one
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or a takeaway thought. But after
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better focus on something ahead of the
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way myself. It's I'm always wondering, you know. I can go through

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all these different thought processes when I'm
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But once I step up to the
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heard this so many times, it's
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be the mark in front of the
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edge of the ball. Right,
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my swing mechanics, everything goes to
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I've had this thought in my head
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I don't know. Well, you
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That's okay, Well you've had Gabriel
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and I can't remember who our partners
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there has been a paper that came
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last year that disputed that somewhat.
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because it's it's funny because I think
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much validity to the external thoughts for
people having them. But I think what

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people take away from it where it
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external. You have to have some
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that's where some of that gets thrown
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can just think external about this and
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to, but there still has to
be Golf is such a game. There

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has to be pretty, there has
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in your golf swing, right,
there has to be a good impact to

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hit it well. There just are
some certain things that we have to and

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maybe that can be part of our
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things in golf that we have to
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done right. But there's still some
form and function that has to be done

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and how do we get that in
and then add in the external thoughts and

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how it was worded I think was
a little weird in the in the study.

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But I just feel like I still
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of pe coaches like going, oh
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know, external is not the only
answer. It's like, no, it's

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like life really, and it's all
it's usually about balance. There's something in

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there that it's not all one way. It's usually some of both. But

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we all everybody knows that thinking about
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Has never helped anybody. No,
it doesn't help. And I remember what

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I was going to say, and
I wrote it down. So like when

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I you play with people and they're
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round. Oh I can't hit this
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And I'm gonna start doing this now. No, it's like I just

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remind myself, you just because you
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not even say a bad shot,
because once the ball leaves the club

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face, you have no control whatsoever. So all you really can control is

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what you can do. And yeah, so often if I have bad contact,

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instead of trying to like what I
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try to remind myself, you know, you've hit this club properly before.

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You know, you've had success with
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go in. It'll happen again.
It's not gonna happen every single time.

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It doesn't. You watch it on
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No, it's right, But that's
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We do get sucked in. I
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priority on striking the ball well,
and I think I think pretty much anybody

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can do that. And by what
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front of it with anything that's on
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I think anybody can get to that
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right and left a little bit and
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that. But I think it should
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and that's my goal. If anybody
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anybody should walk around the course and
the fat and then topping it. That's

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all low point issues, and I
don't I think that's just you have low

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point issues. You shouldn't be working
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or thing about that you should be
thinking about what do I have to do

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to get in front of the ball? Now? Could the shoulder and hips

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be part of it with what you're
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should be to find a really good
coach who understands how to get you hitting

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the ball better that day and doesn't
tell you something like, hey, you

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got to get worse to get better. You should get better right away when

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you go see somebody, and that
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like better strikes. So yeah,
I have friend like it, and

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people that I know is like they'll
take a lesson and they won't necessarily work

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on it, right, They'll take
the lessons like, oh great, how

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was your lesson? Oh my lesson
was really good? So what are you

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doing to work on that? Yeah, I went out and played golf when

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about a couple weeks later, So
you didn't practice anything that you learned for

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those couple of weeks, and then
you thought it was just going to come

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back when you walked into the golf
course and to play around, like,

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yeah, it doesn't work that way, man, It usually doesn't work that

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way, doesn't it. You got
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hard to practice. I know,
life gets in the way of practice.

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So don't take lessons and no,
I stay away from YouTube sick. Well

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there's a bigger one. I think
YouTube is a bigger problem. Like you

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said earlier, how they analyze themselves
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I wrote it down, how do
they analyze it? Well, they

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saw a video on YouTube? Right, Yeah. Well the fundamental problem is

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is you're analyzing if I even if
I were to analyze my swing and if

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I didn't have it on video,
and I don't know, I'm going off

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some feel I have and say,
okay, I'm going to change my swing

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based on this, Like how do
I know? And then the other thing,

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you're taking a lot of amateurs who
don't understand the golf sum well,

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and they're saying, oh, I'm
doing this with my shoulder, hips or

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legs or whatever, and it's like, well, first of all, you

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don't even see that you're really doing
that. You're going off some feel that

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you're feeling or somebody. Guy,
somebody told you that you're you're playing with.

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I gave a lesson to a guy
recently. His buddy told him that

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the club was going like this all
over the place when he's getting ready to

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hit it. Within the last foot, the guy was moving the club fase

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up and like just it was moving
all over the place right before he's getting

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hit it, and he's just stop
that. I was going, Well,

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that guy's got some really good eyes
and there. It would be impossible for

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the club to have any kind of
movement like that before it hit the ball,

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But he was hitting some of them
toes on the heel. It's because

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he was not He didn't have the
club coming through straight. He was moving

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his hands all up and down right
before impact, and it's making the club

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go up and down like this way. So he couldn't hit a square that

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was going and that's what he thought
he was doing wrong. So it's a

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lot of perception. And the problem
is you go to YouTube and you're trying

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to fix a that you may not
even have, or you're going about something's

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built for somebody else and like me, and you shouldn't fix problems the same

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way. We're different age, we
move different, we're physical, we're different

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as far as athletically. You know, my shoulder hurts, your neck may

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hurt your elbow, so we all
we move different. So there's not this

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one swing for anybody that there's a
lot of good coaches on YouTube. I

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do some stuff on YouTube, but
you have to know what you're going there

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for. And I tell people the
best stuff on YouTube is if you go

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to a coach and let's say he
says you're working on takeaway whatever, right,

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maybe even that first part just to
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Well, let's say he gave you
three or four drills and you're like,

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man, I just can't figure it
out from this. Well, then

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go look up maybe some more drills
for the takeaway just from that part,

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and maybe that will go oh okay, because I mean there's so many drills

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out there, you know, like
there's hundreds for stuff like that. So

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maybe something somebody else clicks with you
more than what that guy said. But

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at least you know something and exactly
specific to what you know you have a

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problem with. Right, And a
lot of times just getting on that really

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quick, we're talking about striking is. I hear a lot of times,

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well why are you hitting a bet? And I asked them they go,

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oh, they go, oh,
my takeaway is killing me, Like,

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oh, that's why you're not here. So it's really interesting so with stuff

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I hear, I love it.
How you know? It all starts PGA

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right position, grip and alignment.
How often is it that maybe they're not

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aligned properly, or they're not holding
the club properly, or even if their

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shoulders are offline right, maybe their
hips are are parallel and I don't know

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what like, And they do it
at address of the ball. They try

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to line themselves up while they're addressing
the ball as opposed to standing behind the

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ball and looking down the fairway.
This one I really really don't understand.

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It's like you got to line that
up from behind the ball and see where

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you're going on, because when you're
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side, you're out of alignment already. Huge, I would say at close

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to is a huge number. But
I really believe about eighty percent of faults

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I think, well, they start
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fix most people. Most people from
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especially when you get to the better
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fifteen under I mean a new golfer. Obviously they just they don't have any

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swing motion. But yeah, but
most golfers, it's what they do at

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impact that or at address it causes
most of their issues and how wrong they're

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so many could be. Their grip
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are. You know, they don't
have it in you know, they don't

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have that called a meeting part on
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of the grip. They have it
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at a very weak grip right,
and they wonder why they can't close the

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club face. That's one issue.
But also, like you said, alignment

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is horrible. They're the way they're
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away from it to you know,
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There's so many things that go wrong, and even how we set up our

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forearms and our arms to it,
like how we when we set up to

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the ball, Like if I have
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set it the right way if I
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if I'm not supinating enough, and
I call it like if you think of

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supernating with your left arms and cup
of soup, if you like, rotate

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it over cup of souper, send
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If you're not doing that, then
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the cloud based through an impact.
Right, we have to have a little

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bit of supernation in our forearm to
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set up, if we set up
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then how am I turn it over
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and I are the only one.
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If I just rotated in more internally
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the grip, then I have a
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to supinate. So a lot of
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And it's hugely important, but not
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That's not a sexy part. But
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on it because it's just it's you're
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there for the and the rest of
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care at the very beginning. And
I want to talk more about low point

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issues because you know a lot of
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just can't get past can't even break
ninety or struggling with that, and I

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totally understand that and the frustration that
goes with that. But when you quiz

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them on where should be if if
you consider the golf swing a circle,

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yeah, there's going to be a
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in relationship to the ball. And
a lot of time they'll tell you at

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the ball or behind the ball,
and it's like, wrong, Yeah,

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you got to get in front at
low point has to be in front.

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I heard. I don't get to
watch golf much. I heard this on

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broadcasts the other day. The guy
chipped the ball and he said that was

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great. He really got under the
ball nicely. On that one. I

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was like, oh my gosh,
you're killing golfers out there. We're not

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trying to slide the club underneath.
Like if we come down with the descending

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an angle of attack, even in
chipping, which we should, we're not

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sliding the club underneath. We can't
by the nature of it. You're getting

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in front. So low point,
like you said, for you describe it,

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well, we all have a low
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Most peoples are behind him, anybody
behind the golf ball, people who

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topped the ball. It's most likely
the reason you're doing it over ninety percent

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is because your low point is behind, which means your angled attack will start

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coming up right after a low point, and then you're going to top it

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because your club's coming upwards at that
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It's not that you peeked or lifted
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we're going to say it's been late
and they you'll hear him screaming, oh

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I lifted my head. I peaked
you You didn't, you know? Did

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your back not your head? And
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Eventually, yeah. I mean,
I don't show it to Spike people,

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but I love it when when they
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show them on video and that way
they and I always tell them, I

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go, you're I joke with him, and I laughed. I said,

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you'll be my first person in thirty
years that I've seen do it. Come

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on watch, I want to see
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famous moment together and you picking your
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And they watched like, oh whoa, that's what my husband tells me.

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He won't, he yells us at
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every partner tells me, every friend, They all tell me to keep my

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head down. My dad told me
that for years, they say, and

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I'm like, going, well,
they just they did their best from what

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they knew. And it's one of
those things got somehow got really big in

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golf. And it just as it's
spread like wildfire. And and we haven't

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killed it yet, Fred, it's
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And while we're at it, if
if you play golf with the spouse,

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don't give lessons on the course,
no, I see, I teach women

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and my wife and I run out
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and the biggest can play ab all
of women is the men. Men

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don't leave them alone. Like they're
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and some man everything to them,
and they it really bothers them.

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It's one of the reasons they'll play. And it's just they're always getting advice

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from other men. Husbands do it
to them to the point where the wise

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don't want to go play with their
husbands anymore. And here's the thing and

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the kids and at the core,
oh huge, I think at the core

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of it is we're trying. Men
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and so it's not coming from a
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I saw this poor girl the other
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She came to the course to see
me and help me grab some stuff

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leaving, and we were driving the
cart out of there, we saw somebody

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teen off. It was a guy
sitting in his cart and his wife or

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girlfriend teen off, and he said, honey, watch that ball. I

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promise I'll watch it for you.
Don't take your head off the ball.

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Okay, So she's she's off,
she has an iron or something and she

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hits it, tops it. He
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and we watched like this poor girl
looks like she she didn't even shouldn't even

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move her body. She was so
stuck over that ball, staring at it,

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and she still did it because she's
not moving it. How are you

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going to get your low point if
you're not moving forward at all? We

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got to move a lot forward.
So you telling somebody who tops keep your

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head down is making it worse.
But I would say, if you to

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a survey of your listener's fred very
high percent of the jum if not all

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of them already know that or or
are well aware of that, and they're

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helps spreading the news. You have
a lot of I think a lot of

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listeners that are very keen on a
lot of this stuff because they hear it

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weekly. Yeah, through a lot
of good guests. So yeah, I

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mean Josh Xander recently we were talking
about bunker play and he talked about how

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people think that you have to hit
behind the ball, you know. He

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said, no, you don't hit
behind the ball. You got your low

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point should still be in front of
the ball. You just enter the sand

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behind the ball. Yeah. It's
like, oh wow, that's a revelation

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because we always hear the wrong advice
on that always. It makes it hard.

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It makes it really hard to do
well when you're get bad advice,

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real bad. What is golf but
not a lot of bad advice? Oh

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I feel. I grew up playing
and this is you know, I'm old

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enough to where we had any science
or knew anything. And I was always

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told that the chipping is just a
short version of full swing. And I

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was always a terrible chipper because I
was always catching the ground first, I

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was catching it heavy, and if
I was in rough I'd catch it really

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heavy, and I wasn't intuitive enough
to know, hey, bring it out

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a little more outside and maybe like
come a little bit outside, and I

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had to get the low point up
front. I wasn't intuitive enough to know

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that, and so my chipping was
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And once I once I was told
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it, you know, I excelled
at it, and you know, it's

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just getting the word out of a
lot of these things. Golf. I

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think golf is a hard sport.
I think it's a very hard sport.

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But there's things that golfers do to
make it much much harder on themselves,

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and a lot of this misperception.
I mean, most people don't take lessons.

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I think the numbers around three percent
that they say that take lessons.

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And I get it too, because
if you go to a coach and they

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tell you that you're gonna get worse
before you get better, I wouldn't go

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either, you know, I wouldn't
go get lessons. To me, that

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makes no sense, like where would
you? What if you want to your

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go take piano lessons and then the
piano teacher goes you know what, bread,

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You're gonna get worse where you get
better. Or you go take cooking

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lessons and the cook goes, well, Fred, you got you gotta get

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much worse where you get better?
At this? You'd go what. But

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in golf coaches get away with saying
it. Yeah, I mean it's crazy

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and that it should never happen.
You should get better immediately. Now the

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thing is like there's a big charge
of how do you do it? And

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I think that's the big differentiator.
How do you get better immediately? And

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how do you not get worse while
improving? And that is the key.

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And there has to be a big
separation between practice and play and a big

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understand of how do we perform on
the golf course. And I always tell

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people it's this. You you have
to look at practice and play as two

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different things. And then you have
to look as when you're playing golf as

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as big as an art as it
is of striking the ball well. And

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I know they come together. But
when you're working on your game, you

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shouldn't get worse. You should still
get better. And maybe you are working

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in your irons that let's say,
it makes it a little struggle because of

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something, but it still shouldn't if
you're thinking properly. If you're not letting

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that stuff get into your thoughts while
you're playing, you should still be getting

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better. But if something's going on, well, then you're chipping should get

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better if you're focused on that,
like, don't give in, don't give

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into it, like your working get
better all the time, and it can,

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it can be done if you're not. It's always a mental issue.

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And that's what I find out from
my golfers and in my year long program

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that it's like six months we focus
on swing, six months on playing,

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and anybody is struggling playing, it's
always boils down to you know, what

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they're thinking about this move or this
move and I'm like, well, are

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you thinking about that anymore? They're
like, oh no, I completely forgot

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about that part. It's like,
well, you're not focused on the swing,

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you're just hitting it now. So
there's always there's always something that are

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mentally and that's what's so good about
golf. It's so beautiful I think about

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it is the mental part of just
checking yourself, learning about it and how

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we can grow every day from it
and be like, man, I knew

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that and I just did it,
and yeah, I gotta get better at

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that. We all can get better. I frequently will remind myself and anybody

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who will listen to me that,
you know, playing golf and hitting golf

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balls are really two different things.
Yeah right, I mean you're hitting,

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you going to the range, you're
hitting golf balls, you're hitting golf balls,

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you're hitting one hundred. You can
did two buckets, three buckets,

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spend hours doing this. That's not
going to improve playing golf. There's so

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much more, you know, and
like the whole the little concept of I

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just want to be consistent, Well, you never have the same shot twice.

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How in the heck are you going
to be consistent if you never have

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the same shot two times in a
row, And if you go and play

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the same course four times a week, you're never gonna have except off the

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t box, maybe you're never gonna
have the same shot. No, I

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think the consistency is Yeah, well
it's what is consistency. I think it

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is consistency. I think the problem
is is there's drive. I think it's

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really the definition of consistency is wrong
by most in golf of what it is

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and what they it depends on who
they are for what it means. But

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I think most golfers, unless they're
an elite golfer, consistency means to hit

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the ball better. I really think
that's all it means for them. Yeah,

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Now when you come higher level,
consistency is what it truly is.

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I think it's you know, we
have dispersion. You know how far right

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or left or short or long you
are based on your shots. If you

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look at it. Let's just say
you take an iron shot to par three

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and amateur, it's not good.
It's gonna have some short, some long,

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some left, some right. The
better you get, you don't have

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short and long anymore. You get
really because you're striking the ball well,

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but you're have right and left always
right our face angle, we're never gonna

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be perfect on the face angle.
It's moving too fast, especially the longer

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we hit it. It's harder to
control. So you're always gonna have dispersion.

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But you want to learn to get
your dispersion left and right, not

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short and long. And then after
that you're trying to just make it closer.

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If you're fifteen feet left and right
on a one hundred and twenty yard

409
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,440
shot. Well, then you're trying
to get to thirteen feet left and right,

410
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,640
you know, twenty six feet,
that's total twenty sixth it's a lot.

411
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:33,680
And that's also a testimonial and an
argument for getting fitted for clubs.

412
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,720
If your dispersion is way off,
maybe it's also the clubs. But then

413
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,200
people are like, no, no, I'm gonna I want to get better

414
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,400
before I get fitted. Yeah,
oh yeah, that's putting the cart before

415
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,200
the horse, before the cart,
the cart before the horse the horse.

416
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Yeah, it's definitely, yeah,
you gotta it'll help you getting fitted.

417
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:02,160
I've been playing ping irons for over
a decade and I just got fitted a

418
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,920
couple of weeks ago, and we
I tested a lot of the ping clubs

419
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,759
and found one that worked okay,
and I said, no, let's keep

420
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,640
going, Let's keep trying this,
and ended up with these tailor made QI

421
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:23,759
irons, And so I went to
pick up the irons. I took a

422
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:27,319
couple of weeks to get them back, and they're putting. You know,

423
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,920
my buddy neck is that the club
fitter at this local retailer. And that's

424
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,880
why I like to go to retailer
as opposed to going to a guy who's

425
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,559
a fitter for a brand. It's
like, I want to try a lot

426
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,960
of different brands, right. So, hey going, he's putting, he's

427
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,960
putting the grips on. I said, can I go hit a couple?

428
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,880
He goes, yeah, yeah,
I get here. So I take the

429
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,359
five iron and I'm hitting, and
I'm like, is not I had one

430
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,880
good shot and it's my low point
and I'm definitely no. I've always struggled

431
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,960
with the five iron as it is. And then I hit seven iron a

432
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,799
couple and then I said, now
that I've hit the five iron and the

433
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,079
seven iron, I'm really curious on
the distance difference. Does the six iron

434
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,240
fit right in between that? So
I pull out the six iron and I

435
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,000
hit you know, one, two
three. On the fourth swing, the

436
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:21,079
head flew off the club. We
looked at each other. We looked at

437
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:29,200
each other like and it's like,
person had happen. I've never had that

438
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,640
happen before. It's so strange.
And then I went up and I went

439
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,119
home and I looked up these these
irons online because I wanted to see what

440
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,599
the difference in each of the lofts
was for each club. You know,

441
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,759
with the difference you know is a
four degree five degree? What and where

442
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,000
does it work down to the the
wedges and do my wedges fit in that?

443
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,440
Yeah? And the second review on
the Tailor Made website is a guy

444
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,279
going, I've always loved Tailor Made
the right his clubs. I got these

445
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,599
and they're great, except the first
time I played, I hit my five

446
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,079
iron and the head flew down the
way, Like, oh my gosh,

447
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,319
this is something that's happened cutting back
on glue there or something. Yeah,

448
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,519
I don't know, No, it's
like snapped right, So that not the

449
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:25,720
shaft, the little plastic piece between
the shaft and the oh, so it

450
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:30,559
could be an issue with the actual
head. Yeah, So what did you

451
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:32,440
do? You are you stay?
Did you stay with them though? Or

452
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,640
do you say yeah, no,
No. They gave me another one and

453
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480
they said go play with these for
a couple of weeks because they have this

454
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,640
nice ninety day return policy, but
you know, for store credit, and

455
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,880
and so I like, okay,
let me go play these, and they

456
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,359
gave they pulled another six iron from
a different set of the same club.

457
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,920
And then I played the other day
and it's like, how come I can't

458
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,559
hit Oh, it's not the club
that I ordered. I mean, like

459
00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,519
I'm supposed to make two degrees up
right, and so it's like I couldn't

460
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,640
hit the six iron, so just
don't touch it, don't. But I'm

461
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,839
excited about these irons. I'm really
It's interesting because after taking almost six months

462
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,240
off, you know, for to
heal, I come back to play and

463
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,039
I've got a new set of irons. I've got a new driver, I've

464
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,240
got my new putter, I've swapped
out one of my wedges, and I'm

465
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,920
like, okay, so I'm starting
from brown zero here and I'm really excited

466
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,559
to do this. So I don't
have any preconceived notions of what I'm doing,

467
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,079
yeah, right or not. But
I want to go back to when

468
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:38,799
you talked about getting better, and
I wanted to find that when you talk

469
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,079
about you know, you should get
better. You take a lesson, you

470
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:47,400
should get better. You should be
always get That's not by looking at the

471
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,480
scorecard though, are not going to
go down every single round. No,

472
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:57,759
I think there's to find getting better
by striking. Your striking the ball gets

473
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:02,559
better. You should strike the ball
better. Yeah, and depending what your

474
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,319
issue is when you go see somebody, but you know striking the ball should

475
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,839
be better. If you bait it
you should or slice it. You should

476
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:14,319
be slicing it less. You know, everything is it comes in. I

477
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:18,640
always say this, and I've heard
this quite a bit, but just recently

478
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,759
a guy told me, I think
that's time was Saturday, and he said,

479
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,519
Eric, he goes. I always
tell people you work on this and

480
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,960
it leaks into your swing, is
what I say. Okay, so you

481
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,319
practice this, meaning let's just say
you slice it. Okay, You're not

482
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,359
going to start being a drawer of
the ball hitting these perfect draws the next

483
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,160
time you go play. What's going
to happen is you're going to have it

484
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,960
leak into your system where you're going
to get a little bit more of each

485
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,240
time. Now, so if you're
a big favor of the ball, you

486
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,880
probably have to learn to move it
more right to left, kind of like

487
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,720
almost a hook. So you're kind
of learning just to do a little bit

488
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,240
of that. But leaking into your
game, meaning all these little parts leak

489
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:59,039
in. So if I am horrendous
at hitting behind the ball always, well,

490
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,160
I'm going to give you more more
forward each time. Okay, So

491
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,880
maybe I hit behind it twenty five
times in a round next by working on

492
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,920
it, maybe then I only hit
behind it fifteen or or if my low

493
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,680
points four inches behind it moves to
two inches to one inch, and then

494
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,920
it starts getting forward whatever it is. You know. So that is leaking

495
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,799
in a game. By practicing these
things, you get better at all these

496
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,799
Usually there are instant fixes where you
go, oh, boom, and here

497
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,480
we do this. It instantly fixes
this issue, right, I mean that

498
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,319
happens all the time. But most
big changes, when you're really changing a

499
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,000
golfer, that's where I say it
leaks into your game. You'll start seeing

500
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,079
these effects by practicing it little by
little. So this guy's talking to he

501
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:38,960
said, Eric, I thought you
were nuts when you told me that.

502
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,880
He goes, I had no idea
what you're talking about. But he goes,

503
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,160
six months after we were together,
he goes, I was playing golf,

504
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,160
and I go, oh, I
get it. And he started looking

505
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,960
back at his other rounds and you
know, the prior four or five six

506
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,839
months. He's like, oh,
now I can see what he was talking

507
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,839
about. How I started doing doing
this a little bit more each time he

508
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,039
goes, well, now I have
it completely. He had a major major

509
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,680
swing change he had to make.
So it's just those like when you're making

510
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,599
big swing changes. That's why I
mean leaking into your game. Those things

511
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,119
I now strike point. I feel
like when you're striking front of the ball,

512
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,319
we're hoping to get in front of
it immediately, right. But there's

513
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:16,759
a lot of things that you know, go into it. And I just

514
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:22,960
think scoring is another thing that's hard. You know, It's like I sucking

515
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,759
Julie Buss today, my wife that
it takes a long time for people to

516
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,519
understand that you have to like,
you know, someone shooting that told me

517
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,119
the other day they shot there.
They were one under after twelve holes,

518
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,279
right, and then shooting eighty two. And I talked to him one under

519
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:44,680
after twelve holes and then went ten
over on the next six and I got

520
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,079
into why and I started finding out
why they were thinking about scores, right,

521
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,559
Yeah, and that takes Oh I'm
one under, this can be a

522
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,519
pass round in my life. Oh
you're doomed. You are doomed. The

523
00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,759
part of the friends started for saying
something. Guy right in the car was

524
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,319
like, hey, you only got
a double bugget Oh you're still only one

525
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:05,440
over. Okay, you can still
do what it all became about what you're

526
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,480
doing here with the score. Shooting
your best round of your life is what

527
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,000
it came about. And he told
me. At first it was oh,

528
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,279
I did this, I did this. This is what happened. And when

529
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,720
I started talking to him, it
was it was so score related, right,

530
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:21,000
and his whole mindset had changed.
Outcome right, bas you lost.

531
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,279
You lost the idea of process and
when to outcome, and when you do

532
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,440
that, you're going to lose.
Yeah, and that takes like I mean,

533
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,720
I always say, look thankfully,
I'm a golfer too, and I

534
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,039
played at high level I was younger. That process takes a whole long time

535
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,480
to get through to learn under.
You don't learn that and understand it.

536
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,279
Yeah, I can tell you today, go don't don't do that. This

537
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,720
is what we want to think about. But you have to experience it one

538
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920
time of having your lowest round at
one under at twelve holes and and fail

539
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:51,359
and go oh, that's what Eric
said or that's what somebody else said,

540
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:52,799
and go okay, I'm going to
work on this. And that's why you

541
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,720
need to be working with a good
coach, because they are going to help

542
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,319
you get through those things and understanding. You know, most people think,

543
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,960
and I guess in my year long
program, I do. They're hitting the

544
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,000
ball really well after six months,
and a lot of them say, Eric,

545
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,920
I think we don't need to do
the next six months. I'm okay,

546
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,760
And I say okay, and they
they'll go play a couple rounds.

547
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,159
They come back to me and I'm
like, oh, well, I'm sorry,

548
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:19,280
yeah, please take me back the
break up with you. Yeah,

549
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,119
they find out the battle is much
different right out there, and it's it's

550
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:28,840
mental, but it's also I mean
it's mental and it's also physical. It's

551
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,519
hitting the ball in different lies,
you know, like that's it's a total

552
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:36,599
different it's a different ballgame. But
if you can strike the ball well off

553
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,840
a flat lie, you can learn
to make adjustments elsewhere. So a lot

554
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,280
of people say, oh, it
doesn't transfer at all from the range to

555
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,519
that. It's like there are things
that transfer. It depends how you do

556
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:55,159
it. No, I've been playing
golf now for like twenty five years ish

557
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,400
right, doing the podcast in the
nineteenth year of doing this, so I've

558
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:06,159
learned a tremendous amount and probably more
than most average golfers learn. You know,

559
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,280
when they're just out there playing for
twenty eight years or something, and

560
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:15,519
I'm still getting to places that the
nuance of golf, I'm starting to go,

561
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,039
oh, now I understand what that
means. I mean, I've I've

562
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,079
heard it so many times, I've
repeated it many times, but it's still

563
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:30,280
it has to click in you in
a way that it's like now it's starting

564
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,800
to make sense. And that's not
always easy to do. No, it's

565
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,039
the right mindset. And then,
like you said, playing the game a

566
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:43,199
lot, wanting to learn it,
want to understand it. I always say,

567
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,039
golf is like life, you know, we have to go through those

568
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:51,159
downs to get the ups we don't
and golf is the same thing. We

569
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,840
don't learn anything from great rounds.
We learn a lot. Well, we

570
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,079
can learn a lot from poor rounds. A lot of people don't because they

571
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,639
just they just throw it away as
oh, just a bad day or whatever.

572
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,079
So like, well, let's learn
from it. You know, I

573
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,679
always say, I'm a doctor.
I don't care about your bad shots or

574
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:07,599
good shots when you come see me. I want to know about your bad

575
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:09,800
ones. Let's fix those, right. So, but like you said,

576
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,920
the dances, they're so huge,
and it's like yeah, you know,

577
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,760
if you don't play often, you
forget about maybe, Okay, if I

578
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,960
have the ball up on my feet, I'm probably going to maybe hit this

579
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
a little bit left, or you
don't know how much further to start that

580
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,599
to the right if you're right hander. It's just those little things you forget

581
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,840
about or don't think about. Oh
man, that ball moves quite a bit

582
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,159
more on me when it's above my
feet, or you know, it's like

583
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,800
all those little nunces are great.
And I think that's the fun thing about

584
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,679
golf is that is that weekly or
how off you play, But remembering those

585
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,559
and doing them, it's just it's
a great learning experience. I love it.

586
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,199
A line that I've probably repeated multiple
times that I keep it right here

587
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,719
on my desk about golf is like
life. Golf is an endless series of

588
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,280
tragedies obscured by an occasional miracle.
Oh it's beautiful, beautiful. That's life,

589
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,280
man, that's life. That's exactly
life, isn't it. Yeah,

590
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:07,440
it's exactly life. It's a life
isn't easy. And if you make plans,

591
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,760
yeah it's not going to work out, right. And if you're looking

592
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,039
for your scorecard, right, if
you're looking at your scorecard and you're thinking

593
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,519
about what you need to do to
finish, Yeah, it's not going to

594
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,159
work out. I think the other
big one freend is driving range before you

595
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,079
play. So I hear us all
the time, like people go and play

596
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:28,440
and they have their worst rounds when
they have good range sessions. What happened?

597
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,320
Oh? All the time? Expectations
right, yeah? Oh, And

598
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,719
to me, it's like when I'm
having a bad round on a bad practice

599
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,119
warm up session, not practice,
but a warm up session before a round,

600
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,000
it's not good like, oh,
I'm going to do really well today

601
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,480
because actually you really got to bear
down, how you got to really focus,

602
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,440
how you got to stay you know, in it. Where if you're

603
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,440
feeling like, oh, that was
a great session for my warm up,

604
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,280
I'm nice and loose and easy,
and it's like I'm not focused at all.

605
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,239
You're not focused, and your expectations
go through the roof. And then

606
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,440
what happens when you throw that double
bogie out there in the first Then you're

607
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:06,320
just you're you're so upset because it's
going to have this great round. I

608
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,559
hit the ball great, What happened? I don't you know what happened between

609
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:13,079
now and then. You have to
change your You go to the range before

610
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,920
you play to loosen up and warm
up, and I like to see good

611
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,679
striking, that's it. But do
you know, don't any full swings.

612
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,760
But you aren't there to set the
basis of how you're going to play that

613
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,440
day. But how you hit the
ball there no how it's going to feel.

614
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Are you loose? You know,
loose? You got to get loose,

615
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,079
man, because you don't want to
get loose by the ninth hole,

616
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,920
you know, because that's what's going
to happen. If you don't warm up,

617
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,199
You're going to get loose by the
ninth hole, and then you'll maybe

618
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:42,159
start hitting well, but you're probably
beating yourself up so much by that point

619
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:50,480
that it's that's like you're being painful. So just last last week, we

620
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:55,760
concluded our annual Tony Manzoni yeah,
replaying his episodes, and in the past

621
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,440
we've only done like, not eight
or nine episodes, and this year we

622
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:05,679
played every single one that Tony did
with us. And if I remember correctly,

623
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,840
that's how you and I met.
You. You reached out to me

624
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:15,360
because you heard Tony Manzoni on the
podcast, and you're like, I love

625
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,599
listening to other teachers and I've never
heard of this guy and he's so good.

626
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,599
Yeah, I wanted his book in
the video from you. Yeah,

627
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:28,840
can people still get that from writing
you? Absolutely? Absolutely, the book

628
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,800
is. The book is available on
Amazon in a kindle format or paperback,

629
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,679
and the video that he created,
which was a DVD at the time,

630
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,159
we have that available to listeners if
they want, they can write to me

631
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,960
and I'll let them know how they
can get it and get it for free.

632
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,519
You can buy it whatever it is, but yeah, you can write

633
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:51,239
to me directly and always give the
the email address at the end. But

634
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,280
OK, yeah, I mean he's
been gone since twenty eighteen, and yet

635
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,840
every year, like this year more
than ever, because I've played so many

636
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,840
more episodes that I've never played replayed
before, people are like, oh my

637
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,440
god, this guy is so good. I wish I would have known about

638
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,760
him. Nobody knew about him.
Yeah, I did. I did meet

639
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,159
a teacher last week that knew him, So I'm going to try to get

640
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,920
him on the show. I knew
him. I wish I wish I would

641
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,840
have, you know, like when
I heard him, like, oh my

642
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,119
gosh, what this is? This
is my guy? Like this? I

643
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,880
feel like I taught so much like
him and didn't know exists. I love

644
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,559
going around to me other coaches.
I'll go watch them talk to him.

645
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,079
That's why I'll be out in San
Francisco to see you there. Next week

646
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,360
he is meeting with a bunch of
other coaches to you know, just learn

647
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,960
from each other and go over some
stuff. But Tony, I think,

648
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,000
really, I think what people like
listening him because he talks about what matters

649
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,039
and what really matters. He boils
it down to is how do you strike

650
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,880
this ball well? Like everything is
built around hitting the ball first and having

651
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,000
a good strike point. It's not
like that is secondary. Third, his

652
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,840
whole process of building up of being
more over the ball, a little more

653
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,719
centered over it, like instead of
feeling this big shift off of it and

654
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,920
then big shift back to where if
you don't play a lot or if it's

655
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,320
not your job. It's very hard. And first off, it's not a

656
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,679
separate differencetween mass and pressure movements,
Like the pros are moving more pressure,

657
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,400
not a lot of mass, and
the amateurs move a lot of mass and

658
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,239
not much pressure, so they're moving
their pressure, their mass way over over

659
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,960
their right foot, then trying to
get it back over left. They never

660
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,400
get it back front. So most
golfers are going to be way better off

661
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,119
by figuring out how do I rotate
much more right over the ball, And

662
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,800
I'm going to figure out how to
hit in front of this ball and strike

663
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,800
the ball much better. And that's
everything Tony did was based on that,

664
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,159
and it's a lot of what I
do in my coaching. It was that.

665
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,800
So hearing him, I was like
man, and and well, plus

666
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,800
hear out well he did with his
college students and just an unbelievable record,

667
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,960
And then you find out the personality
and you hear about the people he hung

668
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,400
out with with Sinatra and some of
his stories back in the day, And

669
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,559
like man, I love listening to
his stories. I got to meet one

670
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,480
of another guy I knows all through
you too, and that helped write the

671
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,599
book. And yeah, yeah,
yeah, Faulso he's told me some stories

672
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,199
you have too of him. Neat
guy, really neat guy. Great coach,

673
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,239
so great coach, great coach,
great communicator, a lovely person.

674
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,239
We miss him so much, but
I'm so glad that we're able to bring

675
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,719
him back every year. That is
incredible that you have this library of them

676
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,920
to listen to. I encourage everybody
to listen to it. I think for

677
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,280
most golfers it's a great way to
play, which talks about we just rotating

678
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,840
more of the ball so we can
get more in front of it. Single

679
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,320
single pivot swings a little bit more
balanced, more weight on your left side,

680
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,159
and keep keeping the elbows in,
keeping the arms attached to your body.

681
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,559
Most golfers they are stuck on their
back foot when they start their downswing

682
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,639
and you're they're dead from there.
Most you're just dead. So if you

683
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,599
pivot more right over the ball,
you're going to be loaded up to start

684
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:59,960
your down swing right there, you're
ready to go. It's a simpler swing.

685
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,679
People are like, oh, it's
going to lose power. Most people

686
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,960
don't have power anyways. By striking
the ball and getting a good strike point,

687
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:07,559
you're going to get a lot more
power and hit a lot further.

688
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,559
So it's a great technique I've been
doing forever. I love it and great

689
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,519
coach, so thank you for having
it on My pleasure. Absolutely is an

690
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,559
honor. So you mentioned briefly that
in the week or so you and are

691
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,239
going to get together and play some
golf. You're coming to the San Francisco

692
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,760
area, And again I always encourage
listeners, if you're in the San Francisco

693
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,320
area visiting or you live here,
rechat to me. I love to play

694
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,880
golf with you. I would love
to play so you and are going to.

695
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,719
I've seen you at you know,
I was in Arizona and you were

696
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,360
there, you were working HI.
You know, we waved. But I've

697
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,519
never been on the golf course with
you, and I'm a little bit intimidated.

698
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:49,719
My friend. Oh, we'll have
a lot of fun. No,

699
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,559
it's not fun. Again, well
probably you know what. I'll bring a

700
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:58,599
couple of microphones. We'll wear them
and we'll just chat and and we'll and

701
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,679
you'll be able to comment. You
know, I don't want you to give

702
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,639
me a lesson while we're playing.
We just talked about never do that.

703
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,519
Don't man explain that to me.
But I would love to have your insights

704
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:13,159
to playing golf with me and what
you see and just you know, just

705
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,880
get your take on. And we're
gonna be playing a very very special course.

706
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,559
We're gonna be playing at the Olympic
Club in San Francis Way course.

707
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,760
I'm looking I'm looking forward to I
haven't played there. I love I love

708
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,679
your area where you live in.
I'm excited it's going to be we're leaving

709
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,199
here, it's gonna be one hundred
and I think ten is getting up to

710
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,360
So the heat's finally What is it
going to be there Friday or Saturday?

711
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,559
Okay, so at my house it
could easily be ninety five degrees, right,

712
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:44,400
I live twenty two miles from San
Francisco. I drive south, I

713
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,599
cross the Golden Gate Bridge, I
go to the area where the Olympic Club

714
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,239
is. Yeah, and I can
almost assure you, yeah, it's going

715
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:59,840
to be sixty two degrees, overcast, moist, fog blowing through through.

716
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,000
Can't wait if it's just going to
be it's it is micro climates is this

717
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:09,800
area so we don't breathe, don't
be wearing shorts, don't be one shortly,

718
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,599
bring warm clothes, bring options.
That's how you have to live in

719
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:22,000
layers, layers. I can't wait, difference, it will beautiful, great,

720
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,639
see great to play with your wife, right, yeah, she'll be

721
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:29,079
there too. I can't meet I
can't wait to meet Torulie. Dude,

722
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,559
it's uh, tell everyone how to
find you online, Oh, e j

723
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,280
S golf dot com, e j
S golf dot com. And I just

724
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,400
started, i think on the school
app s k o o L, which

725
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,000
you can find e JS Golf Academy
going there. I have a ton of

726
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,039
cool free stuff there. I'm putting
together a bunch of programs for how to

727
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:52,239
stop slicing shaft lean, a bunch
of really stool confidents, cool stuff,

728
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,360
and they'll allow me to reach a
lot more people around the world. So

729
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:59,400
really, social media, you're you're
e j S Golf. Yeah, Instagram,

730
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,559
e j S Academy. You can
find all of that on my web

731
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,639
page, the links to a ejskult
dot com bottle that we'll have all those

732
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:09,360
links, dude. So much fun, always lesson, always get to learn

733
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,199
something new. Uh and really excited
to see you in a couple weeks me

734
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:20,599
too, Thanks Bred. Well,
hopefully we'll feature Eric again soon, maybe

735
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:24,119
even next week, because as he
mentioned, he's in San Francisco this week

736
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:30,719
and he's invited me to join him
and his wife tomorrow to play eighteen at

737
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:37,400
the Historic and I might add intimidating
Championship lake Course at the Olympic Club,

738
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:42,559
host of five US opens. I'll
bring my gear and if it works out,

739
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,079
we'll record a conversation during the round
about the strategy of making it through

740
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:52,239
a course that has six sets of
tees, including four sets of combo teas,

741
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,239
with the men's slope rating from a
one to twenty one from the green

742
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:01,519
teas to a one forty three from
the championship tees. Hopefully I won't embarrass

743
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:06,679
myself by playing the whites, which
are still a one p thirty slope rating,

744
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,679
and that is significantly higher than what
I'm accustomed to. So please stay

745
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:16,480
tuned and wish me luck. If
you're in or coming to San Francisco this

746
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:21,639
summer's like Eric is doing. Let
me know so that we can set up

747
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,159
time to play together. Or why
don't you and your partner join me and

748
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:31,760
my non golfing wife for an incredible
adventure to Portugal this coming September fifth through

749
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,440
the thirteenth, twenty twenty four.
We'll be playing golf while there, with

750
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,960
three round scheduled, and if you'd
prefer, you can play golf every day

751
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,360
while we're on the coast at Villemora. There's lots of flexibility in our schedule,

752
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,840
non golfers will experience optional spa visits, sight seeing and time to relax

753
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,360
on the beach, and you'll have
time to yourselves to make this probably one

754
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,599
of the most memorable and romantic trips
of your life. So clear your calendar

755
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,400
and join me. To get all
the information pricing and download a detailed pdf,

756
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,920
please visit tmi goolf dot com slash
golf Smarter. You can write to

757
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,360
me directly if you have any other
questions, or just check the show notes

758
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:21,559
and click on the link to tmi
goolf dot com slash golf Smarter. I

759
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,639
want to thank this week's Golf Smarter
Ambassador, David from New Brunswick, Canada.

760
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:31,880
David clearly wants more from Tonymansoni instruction, so he requested a free copy

761
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of the Loss Fundamental video. If
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762
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then all you have to do is
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763
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764
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,039
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766
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767
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golf teas, my favorite tea of
all time. So I just saw a

768
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:09,199
video talking I think it was Jim
Venettos talked about tilting the tee forward so

769
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,840
you don't have a lot of resistance
or friction when the ball comes off the

770
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,719
tea. Well, that's how the
flight Path golf teys were designed, so

771
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,039
there is no friction on the front
end and it does impact the ballflight.

772
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,119
I'm telling you from my own testimonial
anyway. Uh So, please become a

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774
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775
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you with some simple instructions on what
to do and what to say. And

776
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,280
let me give you an update about
this week's Golf Smarter mulligans, which will

777
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,679
be released this Friday on this very
golf Smarter feed. But we're still going

778
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,639
back into the archives. Now that
we finished our Tony Manzoni series for twenty

779
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,599
twenty four, we pick right back
up where we left before, and this

780
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,719
time We've got two episodes with Jim
Waller talking about if a swing change can

781
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,559
really lower your score. It's really
good. I'm really excited about getting back

782
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:12,800
into the archives. This will be
going back to twenty twelve. So if

783
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,039
you have any questions, comments,
or suggestions for upcoming episodes, or you

784
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:21,480
want more information and want to discuss
our September Portugal adventure, please write to

785
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786
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