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This one's really quick. 27 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:04,959 The Timberwolves are hiring Jazz assistant coach and former Pelicans GM del Demps is part 28 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,360 of new president Tim Connolly's front office. That's Perham Sharania and John Krasinski of 29 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,800 the Athletic It's going to me to be fascinating to see how Connolly continues flashing 30 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,960 out his staff in Minnesota. Krasinski noted in The Athletic that because the Timberwolves 31 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:25,000 have operated with more of a Bear Bowen's crew in over the years, that 32 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:30,840 Connolly's sort of tasked with beefing up their front office staff flashing them out. 33 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,479 I still remain very interesting to see what happens with Satri Glupta, who took 34 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,680 over the basically the head of basketball operations once Gerson Rosas was was dismissed. 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,039 And now we've seen hires. I don't know if they're ahead of him, 36 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,520 but we've seen just a lot of hires from Connolly, So I'm very curious 37 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,240 to see what happens there. But yeah, the Timberwolves, I think they're 38 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,400 gearing up for what should be one of the more fascinating off seasons, even 39 00:02:54,439 --> 00:03:00,439 though I say that about pretty much every single team. The other this little 40 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:06,879 tidbit which I thought was it's not really news, but it still matters is 41 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:14,280 David Griffin. We're speaking on the Ryan Rasillo podcast, and he called offering 42 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:19,680 the idea of offering Zion Williamson a MAX extension, the idea of Zion Williamson 43 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:23,919 is a MAX player, rather as a pretty easy decision. The direct quote 44 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,800 was, it's not a big decision. It's a pretty easy decision. The 45 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,120 kids historically good when he plays. This is a max player, but becomes 46 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,120 significant as a team. It's a small market team and as a team that 47 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:38,280 you can't make mistakes in terms of injuries over time. You have to indemnify 48 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:44,400 yourself in some way for that being Zion's injury risk. And that's fine. 49 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,240 But the decision of whether or not this is a max player is an easy 50 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:53,120 one. Zion consign a max deal five years worth more than one hundred and 51 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:55,919 eighty million dollars. He has mentioned that he couldn't sign a deal like that 52 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,120 fast enough. Anyone who's kind of spatuated the talk that he will leave New 53 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Orleans anytime soon, that's long felt maybe not fabricated, but so much it's 54 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,960 felt pointless, just because given his injury history. I don't know that if 55 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,040 your Zion, you would want to risk signing your qualifying offer of a a 56 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,839 lot of people thought he might and trying to get to unrestricted free agency, 57 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,759 you should guarantee yourself as much long term money as possible. What is going 58 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:31,079 to be interesting is how much of his contract extension is going to be guaranteed. 59 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:38,879 We saw the Philadelphia seventy six ers with Joel and Bead baked incentives into 60 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,480 the contract based on game plays games played. I would expect to see something 61 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,160 similar with Zions, where he is guaranteed a huge portion of this deal, 62 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,319 but that it could be voided if he doesn't meet a games played threshold. 63 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:56,879 I don't know where that's going to land. The fact that he's played just 64 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:01,680 eighty five games through two seasons three seasons excuse he missed all of last years, 65 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,319 it's gonna make it tough. And given his body type and the way 66 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,959 that he plays, it's not a shot at him being in shape. It's 67 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,519 just someone who is that thick, girthy you don't expect to see fly through 68 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,720 the air like that. And so he's more of this physical nominally than Joel 69 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:19,319 Embiid And so will there be a difference there or does he just have more 70 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:25,360 leverage because technically he's played in more games over first three seasons than Joel Embiad 71 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:30,040 did. That's how I would expect this to play out, though, is 72 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,000 that he signs a five year MAX deal with the Pelicans that is not fully 73 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:40,680 guaranteed, and it will become fully guaranteed as he crosses a game's played threshold 74 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:47,480 over the year. The final thing, news nugget or topical non question I 75 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:54,319 wanted to address is the Draymond Green podcast stuff. There seem to be people 76 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,560 who are legitimately mad that Draymond is podcasting during the Finals as a podcast at 77 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,759 all. I saw a tweet going around from a Twitter space roots Twitter spaces 78 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:10,759 where someone was just irate after Game three. I'm telling Draymond to get off 79 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,560 his podcast and lock into the finals mode. I'm here for the jokes, 80 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,680 because I'm always here for the jokes. But I think SAMs Findiari from Light 81 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:23,279 Years had like one of just the best tweets on this, or the single 82 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:27,920 best tweet on this excuse me, where he said Michael Jordans was out until 83 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:33,120 four am gambling the night before playoff games, Finals games. Draymond Green is 84 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:40,240 in his hotel room, sober, just podcasting like this is not a big 85 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:45,759 deal. He's not spending hours upon hours upon hours on his podcast. Jake 86 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,160 Fitcher of Bleacher Report did have a report that there were there are Celtic staffers 87 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,240 other coaches around league who listened to it to maybe gain some insight into what 88 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,160 he's saying about other teams. I saw some people push back. Again it's 89 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,680 that saying, well, those opposing coaching steps know everything they already need to 90 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,399 know it STI would not surprise me if they were checking out Raymond Green's podcast, 91 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,319 if they're being mandated to by the head coach or maybe the front office 92 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:15,079 of the team which employs them, just to see if there's anything on there 93 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,079 that they missed or that they should know that he lets slip whatever. I 94 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,399 wouldn't say it's a primary form of their research, but it wouldn't. You 95 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,920 know, Jake Fisher one of the most reputable reporters out there right now. 96 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,519 He's not making shit up. But this idea that Draymond Green is focusing too 97 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,959 much on his podcast or he's giving away trade secrets on his podcast is just 98 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:40,959 so fucking stupid, Like, come on, I know there's this rampant like 99 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:47,560 issue of oversimplifying everything in the NBA rather than providing actual contest context. Draymond 100 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,639 Green was really bad in Game three, and that includes what happens on defense. 101 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,959 We can go further into that and look at how on offense he's such 102 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,680 as zero when he's not making shots or being hesitant to take them, and 103 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,439 then when Boston is just not guarding him at all, they're treating him like 104 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,279 a complete non factor. We can get into whether the Warriors should they change 105 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:09,079 certain lineups to include Looney in the middle when they're downsizing instead of Draymond Green, 106 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:11,680 even if it's for small stretches. I would argue if he's having a 107 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:16,399 game like he had in Game three, where he just you know, he 108 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:22,480 there's some really bad passes, wasn't especially good at containing the ball or disrupting 109 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:28,399 plays as he was in games one and two, specifically Game two, It's 110 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,399 easier to make a call like that if you want to go even deeper into 111 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,720 just like the defensive nuances of where Draymond Green was struggling or where he was 112 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:39,960 beat like, there are there's content, there's writing, there's podcast The Dunker 113 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,360 Spot, the low posts that went into detail on it. There are Twitter 114 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,240 accounts that went into detail on it. Like I said, articles that went 115 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,360 into detail on it. We can have more in depth discussions about this without 116 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,879 going for the low brow reasons. And again, if you want to poke 117 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,559 fund in it or joke, that's mine. I think. Look, Draymond 118 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:05,720 said he was talking about basically new media with Chris Haynes preferencing himself, JJ 119 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,919 Reddick, and CJ McCollum. When McCollum informed him that he picked the Celtics 120 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,720 to win the series, he mentioned Patrick Patrick Beverley as just a billboard of 121 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:22,240 honesty and someone who's not a hater in this quote unquote new media. That 122 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,360 is that is fucking wild to me. After how over the top Patrick Beverley's 123 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,720 comments were on I think that was the ESPN's first take. Maybe it was 124 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,840 the Fox Sports the show, I can't even remember at this point when he 125 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:35,600 was some about Steph Curry and just some of the other stuff in the NBA 126 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:39,159 at large, like go ahead and criticized Draymond Green make the jokes if you 127 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:43,960 need to, the fuck Draymond Chance. That's that's something I'd want my kid 128 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,519 to hear. But I'm also not skewing towards Klay Thompson. Think of the 129 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,639 children's speech, which was subjectively funny because it was following a press comments from 130 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,960 Raymond in which he said he played like shit while his son was sitting right 131 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:00,840 next to him. This we don't need to take this stuff so seriously or 132 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:05,279 just go so off the rails that we veer into the senseless, and that's 133 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,240 what happened. I don't care that Draymond Green is podcasting ever or during the 134 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,559 finals. Good for him, and he was probably right when he said that. 135 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,240 You know, people are just angry that their podcast has fewer download than 136 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,120 his. Since everyone has a podcast, and many, many, many of 137 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,480 them are going to be less popular than Draymond Greens. Let's get to an 138 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,799 official mail bad question. Although this is somewhat topical, it's not somewhat, 139 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:33,360 it's it's highly topical. This comes from Matt Lyons, who will the Jazz 140 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,240 higher as their head coach? I got into this on my monologue at the 141 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,759 previous podcast. If you haven't listened to check it out, I honestly have 142 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:45,759 no idea Perlos. The Jazz just requested permission to interview Dallas Maverick's assistant Sean 143 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:52,120 Sweeney. He also for anyone who cares interviewed for the Charlotte Hornet's job. 144 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,080 At one point. They've also been linked to their own assistant in Alex Jensen, 145 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Frank Vogel Terry star Stots form coach of the Blazers Johnny Bryant, head 146 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:07,360 coaching assistant coach with the Knicks, and he also has ties to Donovan Mitchell, 147 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,919 which is why he is someone who should probably be taking very seriously in 148 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,559 this. Lamar Skeeter he's also been on the Jazz staff. Kevin Young, 149 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,879 he's an associate head coach for the Phoenix Suns at the moment, used to 150 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,600 work for the Sixers. Charles Lee he's an assistant for the Milwaukee Bucks. 151 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,639 Adrian Griffin well known assistant at this point for the Toronto Raptors. And Will 152 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,759 Hardy, a current Boston Celtics assistant coach. These other names of them seeing 153 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:37,120 right now from KSL dot com. Chris Quinn he's a Miami Heat assistant. 154 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,679 Joe Mazzulla. I actually did not see this name until just this moment, 155 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,720 as a Curt assistant for the Boston Celtics. Also, there are a lot 156 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,360 of names being bandied out about there, and unfortunately for Sixers fans, none 157 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,639 of them are are doc Rivers. I honestly don't know what route they're gonna 158 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,399 go, and my guests would be that they'll go in the Terry Stotts direction, 159 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,840 and that could inform out of what we should expect from them in the 160 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:03,399 off season and moving forward as it pertains too. Oh, are they going 161 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,600 to look to blow up this core if you see them go, if you 162 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:09,960 see we go with Johnny Bryant. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it and 163 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,759 hasn't been a good enough assistant or an assistant from long enough to not be 164 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,039 in the mix of these. But if they go with Johnny Bryan, I 165 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,559 think it's pretty clear that Rudy Gobert is gonna be gone and they're gonna do 166 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,320 whatever it takes to keep Donovan Mitchell. I don't if I had to, 167 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,440 Like I said, I think they'll go with someone who's a little bit more 168 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:33,320 established, and Terry Stotts would just be stabbing the dark here. And it's 169 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,240 not just because he's one of the few names with a track record and someone 170 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,000 I know more about. That just seems like the Utah Danny age hire here. 171 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,720 However, if they are open to rebuilding, or if they're more concerned 172 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:48,159 with sticking with Donovan Mitchell and moving Gobert or just retooling in general, I 173 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,480 could see them going outside the box hiring an assistant someone with either limited head 174 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,559 coach experience or not at all. I will say I will be fairly shocked 175 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,679 if this is where Frank Bowl land. They have to being fired by the 176 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,679 Lakers. That's as far as I'll go there. It also wouldn't surprise me 177 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,759 if we've yet to even hear the name of the person the Jazz hire. 178 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:09,559 But as of right now, I'm just gonna say Terry Stotts because they don't 179 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,360 think the Jazzs are looking to rebuild. I think they want a name in 180 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,639 there that they could trust. And if Don F. Mtchell is really unnerved 181 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,360 and unsettled, the next best thing you could probably do, aside from letting 182 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,039 him pick the next head coach or going with someone who's super close with him, 183 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:28,519 would be installing just a reliable veteran in there. Again, I really 184 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,960 do have sub zero feel based on the dot. I didn't think as many 185 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,879 assistant coach type names are going to be released, knowing that Danny Ainge was 186 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,279 spearheading this search, so that's going to be something to monitor for sure. 187 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,360 Simon asked if the NBA adds teams in Vegas and Seattle, which team gets 188 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:50,279 moved to the East. That's an interesting question. I think it's fairly certain 189 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,559 that it would be Memphis in that scenario would become the sixteen team in the 190 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,879 Eastern Conference. I could also you could make the case for New Orleans as 191 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:03,879 well. I know others have men Minnesota if you're doing some conference in realignment 192 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:11,000 there, excuse me, I would totally understand going that route. But I 193 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,600 think it would be Memphis if not New Orleans. Those would be the two 194 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:18,600 that I would expect. You could even make the case that, like if 195 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,919 you want to move both Memphis and New Orleans to the East and then kind 196 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,879 of shift around the Western Conference a little bit, setting another team in that 197 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,000 direction. But yeah, I think it's if I had to settle on a 198 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,159 one team, I think it would be the Memphis Grizzlies. That just seems 199 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,879 like the easiest answer there. I don't even think there are any other possible 200 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,159 answers, Like when you look at the actual makeup of the Western Conference besides 201 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,559 Memphis and New Orleans. And again, if you want to get into Minnesota, 202 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:48,279 like it's not going to be an LA team, you can't be a 203 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,320 Texas team. Portland's too far west. Same thing with Oklahoma City. So 204 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:58,679 yeah, it would be the Memphis Grizzlies. For me, if you wanted 205 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,919 to go like super confid realignment, would you consider like moving both Memphis in 206 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,440 New Orleans to the Eastern Conference And then you know there's not even a good 207 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:11,360 East team to just punt to the West there Like it doesn't there's nothing even 208 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:16,840 close, Like even Toronto would be dumb just because of how northeastern they are. 209 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,799 What you could do is get rid of conferences, which I would be 210 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,759 in all favor for. Let's just have the best teams making the playoffs. 211 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,200 Maybe that makes the play in tournament a little bit messier. I honestly don't 212 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,200 care. You have to maybe shape shift the way that you're going about your 213 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,360 your schedules, but whatever, keep conferences and let's just get get rid of 214 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,879 divisions at this point. Please something along those lines tangent that we don't need 215 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:43,159 to get into. We've gotten into it on previous episodes. Sammy s, 216 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,720 how often does the team with the best regular season defensive rating end up winning 217 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,399 a championship? They say the events wins championships. I'm just gonna say all 218 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,720 the time, but that's actually not true. So I went back through the 219 00:15:54,879 --> 00:16:00,879 three point era and looked at the teams that won the champions chip while placing 220 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,039 first in defensive rating during this span. In the three point hour, we 221 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:11,240 have had forty two champions so far, and only seven have ranked first in 222 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,840 defensive rating. Going in order of the most recent to the furthest away, 223 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:19,399 we have the two fifteen Golden State Warriors, two thousand and eight, Boston 224 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,519 Celtics, two thousand and five, San Antonio Spurs two thousand, Los Angeles 225 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:29,840 Lakers, nineteen ninety nine San Antonio Spurs, nineteen ninety six Chicago Bulls, 226 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:37,240 and the nineteen eighty six Houston Rockets. I think what's a better barometer for 227 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,919 championship equity is where you rank in both offensive and defensive efficiency. This has 228 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:49,919 been studied and said ad nauseum in the past, but ranking of the top 229 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,240 ten of both points allowed per possession and points scored per possession are the greatest 230 00:16:56,279 --> 00:17:04,000 harbingers of of your likelihood to win a title. So that this season, 231 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,480 though obviously we could come to a point where Golden State this using basketball reference, 232 00:17:08,519 --> 00:17:11,559 the numbers can be different when you're using cleaning the glass. Basketball referens 233 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,480 are just used because it was easier to go that far back Golden State had 234 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:21,079 the top regular season defensive rating, and so could they become the eighth team 235 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,559 to rank first and defense and win a title during the three point ever era? 236 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:29,720 Will we will have to see if you're listening to this after Game four, 237 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,079 taking posts the Friday night, you will you will have a better hold 238 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,240 of whether they have a legitimate chance of doing that. But one of the 239 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:40,359 top two defensive teams are gonna win a title because Boston was second in points 240 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,440 aloud per possession this past season. That's a great question. Though s asked 241 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,160 has a bunch of questions, Let's go through the first one. What happens 242 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,839 with Zach Lavine's free agency. I just expect him to resign with the Chicago 243 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,079 Bulls. Maybe it's a four year max, as we've mentioned, just someone 244 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,480 with his age, he could say that he would prefer to get to free 245 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,920 agency quicker. So maybe it's four years with a player option on that fourth 246 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,160 year, which is why the fifth year that the Bulls can offer doesn't matter. 247 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,400 If the Bulls go at him with a full five year max offer, 248 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,319 though I would expect him to sign it. He's just had injury issues pop 249 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,240 up in the past with his more serious injuries with his knee, and then 250 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:22,799 even now there are just these They're not random or necessarily isolated incidents, but 251 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,559 his body has just been banged up this past season, and so that's something 252 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:33,839 that I think if you're him, you want to secure your long term future. 253 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,240 There's also just sort of a dearth of teams with cap space this summer. 254 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:40,160 If we've mentioned at nauseam, does he want to leave to go play 255 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,519 for the Pistons, It'd be super interesting to see Memphis clear more a little 256 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:45,519 bit more cap space than they're slated to have and get him. That doesn't 257 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:48,720 seem like something they would do, just it's out of character. The Spurs 258 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,559 would be interesting. Are they going to be that aggressive to get him? 259 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:57,640 Though? And you know it's just Orlando. I don't really see Lavine wanting 260 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,400 to play there. Portland they been mentioned for Lavine. I just I still 261 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,839 with Portland. I don't necessarily know why he would want to go there. 262 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,559 I don't think it's a much better situation than he has in Chicago, even 263 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:11,720 though I think the world of Damian Lillard just with Portland would be weird to 264 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,680 go And I said this before go from Norman Powell and see J McCollum and 265 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:21,440 Damian Lillard to just Anthony Simons and Zach Lavine and Damian Lillard. I don't 266 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,279 I don't know that you're materially better with the latter trio, and you would 267 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:30,119 definitely need to hit on the margins and flesh out the rest of your wing 268 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:34,079 rotation and an even big man rotation in the image of that. If I 269 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,880 had to pick a team that Zach Lavine would be on, if it wasn't 270 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,960 in Chicago, Damn, I want to stay with the Miami Heat, Like 271 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,680 I could just see a scenario where he wants to go to Miami. They 272 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:51,640 have enough injury risks on the table with Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, even 273 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,359 Bamana Bayo a little bit. But if they just went the Tyler Hero and 274 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,559 all the picks route, maybe it requires you have Duncan Robinson in there as 275 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:04,799 well. Maybe this requires them seeking out Sorry I'm operating on three hours to 276 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:07,440 sleep here. Maybe it requires them to sussing out a third team to make 277 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,559 it like this weird mega deal because Chicago still wants to compete. I'm just 278 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,039 going to say Miami, I would prefer to see him in like a San 279 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,599 Antonio would be interesting, or Memphis or even the Knicks, and that's just 280 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,640 not you know. I just feel like him on the Knicks. If they're 281 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,519 able to keep RJ. Barrett, like you really start to have something there. 282 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,640 I fully expect him to return to the Chicago Bulls, though, as 283 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:36,200 also asked to, Sacramento and Portland ultimately keep their picks. Sacramento has number 284 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,759 four, the Blazers have number seven. There's been so much smoke about the 285 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:42,200 Blazers trade number seven almost makes you think that they won't trade number seven. 286 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,079 I think they're far more likely to move their pick, and not just because 287 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,640 it's lower. If they're serious about retooling, rebuilding, whatever you want to 288 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,279 call it around Damian Lillard, they almost have to move this pick. It 289 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,960 is their best tool with which to improve the roster. Are we talking about 290 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,480 them giving it up flat out for a player based on who's been mentioned as 291 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,920 available, unless you're talking about getting Oganna Noby who. By the way, 292 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,839 Matt Moore of the Action Network reported that Portland, San Antonio, and Denver 293 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,559 are all teams who have known registered interests in Ogana Noby. I still don't 294 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:18,759 think he's moved unless the Raptors are making their own blockbuster by Denver, super 295 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,279 intriguing for him. I just I find it hard to figure out how the 296 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,240 Nuggets would build a package. I think you would have to throw Bones Highland 297 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,799 distant first and then hope that they're really interested in Aaron Gordon. But looking 298 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,880 at your defense, you probably want to have both Aaron Gordon and Ogna Noby 299 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,200 in there, even if you don't view either of them as the most bankable 300 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,000 shooters. So you would then need yes, Bones Highland ton of value I 301 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,559 think one of the ten most valuable trade assets heading into the off season. 302 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:48,599 If we're being honest, You then need them to really like Michael Porter Jr. 303 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,279 In that contract, which could wind up being disastrous. So just food 304 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:55,119 for thought there. If you can get Ogana Noby straight up with the seventh 305 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,039 pick, I think he's actually worth more than that. But if that's the 306 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:00,799 package you're going after, I'm fine. If it's for Jeremy Grant, No, 307 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,200 just he's headed towards free agency. You need to be more prudent with 308 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:10,039 with your top asset here. I could see the Blazers in a situation where 309 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:14,119 they trade down and they're getting a pick that can still be used to anchor 310 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,839 Jeremy Grant. Trade that's lower than seven. I think one that's become I've 311 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,400 mentioned a bunch, I've written about a bunch. I think one that's become 312 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:26,079 popular is probably just the Knicks sitting there at number eleven. Can you get, 313 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,160 you know, trade number eleven for two excuse me, number seven for 314 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,400 two of number eleven having to be one, but then also the MAVs twenty 315 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,880 twenty three first round pick they have will be topping they have at Burke's, 316 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,599 Quentin Grimes, Duce McBride, even cam Reddish. If you can get number 317 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:47,680 eleven plus then two of those assets, maybe even one, depending on how 318 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:49,839 much you value it. Can you then turn around and flip number eleven as 319 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:56,079 the primary asset for Jeremy Grant while still keeping the other players or picks that 320 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,400 you're getting back in that deal. For the Kings, it's tough. They 321 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:02,599 are up rating with a sense of urgency. It's implied by the fact that 322 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,200 they traded a twenty two year old stud in Tyres Haliburton with two years left 323 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,680 on his rookie scale, for an older, but still youngish Doma Sabonis, 324 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,279 who's now extension eligible, makes more money to begin with, and just put 325 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,759 you on the wind now track, even if it doesn't actually put you on 326 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,960 the wind now track. I don't know if the Kings are appreciably better with 327 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,039 him and Fox over a Haliburton Fox pairing. I get that it clarifies a 328 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:33,200 little bit of their backcourt rotation if you've viewed Davion Mitchell as this long term 329 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,240 player moving forward. I just don't think that was the decision the Kings ever 330 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:41,079 had to make, and so knowing that, I could see them just holding 331 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:44,079 on a number four, taking Shand and Sharp or even Jane and Ivy and 332 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,880 figuring out the rest later. It's not like Fox and Sibonus or super old 333 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,759 Sibonis just turned twenty six in May. Fox doesn't turn twenty five until December. 334 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:59,279 You can go the more gradual route with this redirect, whatever you want 335 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,440 to call it. In in Sacramento, I don't know what player becomes available 336 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,680 that's worth just giving up the number four pick without getting another first round pick 337 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720 in this year's draft in return. So maybe it's an instance where they look 338 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,680 at moving down because there's a team that you know it is it the Knicks? 339 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,880 Is it the Wizards that really wants to move up to get Jade and 340 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,799 Ivy. Let's say, if they want to take Shaden sharp, just just 341 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,519 take Jaden sharp like beef up, shore up your wing rotation, make that 342 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,640 sort of dice role on him. But if you are really married to the 343 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,640 idea of making noise in the West next season, I don't know that you 344 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,200 can. There are there are avenues. What would Indie give up to move 345 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,119 up all the way to number four? What it's just the two spot jump. 346 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,880 But again, you might be able to recoo a veteran or another first 347 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,920 round pick. There there are I wouldn't say there are a shortage of teams 348 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,920 that need point guards. I think when you're looking specifically at how the draft 349 00:24:56,079 --> 00:25:00,240 order shakes out, that you might be limited in what you're able to get. 350 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:04,599 I think because Indian Detroit might be the two teams that are most interesting 351 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,160 when it comes to being higher up, having value, and needing a point 352 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,000 guard. And they're only one and two picks away, So what are they 353 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,039 really giving you. The Blazers have Dame and they intend to keep him. 354 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,519 They're at seven New Orleans is at eight, having CJ. McCollum, brand 355 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,359 Ingram and a healthy Zion Williamson, plus Devanta Grammys, even Jose Alvarado. 356 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,200 Like that limits your need for a primary playmaker. I mentioned the Wizards at 357 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:30,559 number ten. They could use someone next to Bradley Beal. I mentioned the 358 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:34,079 Knicks. I know they have a manual quick lead Derek Rose kemba walker for 359 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,759 anyone who still cares about about that. No one that I just mentioned, 360 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,559 including a Julius Randall who serves their primary playmaker for points, is good enough 361 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,559 for them to draft for need. If you can move up and get what 362 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,039 you think is the best player available in a future star, you should go 363 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,960 for it. Okay, see at twelve they have Josh Giddy and Jacobs Alexander. 364 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,079 I'm not a big draft for need guy, but if you have Jade 365 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,920 and Ivy and then those two, you're gonna have to answer some awkward questions 366 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,640 pretty soon. Charlotte already has LaMelo ball, they have thirteen and fifteen the 367 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,559 Calves they don't they don't need Jay and Ivy, So like what would Houston 368 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,640 give you? You're not going to get number three when you're number four? 369 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,680 So like we've already moved there at seventeen. That's like the next team that 370 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,440 I could envision aside from Detroit or Indiana really wanting a higher end point guard 371 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,480 giving up a ton of equity. What are you getting for that? Is 372 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:29,319 it like they have Christian Wood and Jason Tate and Eric Gordon and then future 373 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,599 picks plus number seventeen. I don't really know. You know, Christian Wood 374 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,160 and demas a bonus. I think Sabonus is defensive. Reputation has been inflated 375 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,519 by the fact you played with Miles Turner. It will be deflated if he 376 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,079 starts playing alongside Christian Wood. So that is training down to something they could 377 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,000 look at otherwise, unless it's just this patented star that becomes available who makes 378 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,400 so much sense for the roster, and I think it would be a name 379 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,599 we've yet to hear that could hit. It's not a Bradley Beal want stay 380 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,000 in Washington, but people still talk about him, Zach Lavine, Dido with 381 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,839 Chicago. Those aren't the names we're talking about here. You have to be 382 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,400 like Pascal Siakam all of a sudden becomes event elbow from Toronto, which I 383 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,519 do not expect what I give up Number four is the question I posed to 384 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,279 myself for og Ana Nobi. I think I would. I'm not going to 385 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,400 lie. It'd be great if you'd get Gary Trent Junior as part of that 386 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,240 as well, and maybe you're sending out Rashaun Holmes and some other stuff. 387 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,160 But if it's just the Frameworkers og for number four, I'm not doing it. 388 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,599 If I'm the Raptors, just I don't necessarily love the idea of Jade 389 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,039 and Ivy there. Maybe maybe it would be fine. But if they are 390 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,359 looking to say, oh, we have Scottie Barnes, we have Pascal Siaka, 391 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,079 we have Fred van Fleet, let's get number four. Maybe it's a 392 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,240 three team trade where they're getting a different type of player for the Kings. 393 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:41,519 Certainly, I would absolutely trade number four for og An Anobi. Final question 394 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,519 from that we'll get to from s is will Scottie Barnes of an All Star 395 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,519 season next year? I'm just gonna say no, It's really tough for sophomores 396 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,240 to get to that level. I think we would still have to see pretty 397 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,319 major strides from him on the offensive end. As good as he was, 398 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,519 will Toronto saddle him with more playmaking. We know that he has that nice 399 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:04,960 sort of mid range baby interior touch and addition to playing with some thrust when 400 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,640 he's around the basket, and we saw him hit go through stretches where he 401 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,960 was hitting standstill threes. I think what needs to happen with him on offense 402 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,960 is everything improving while him making decisions at a faster pace. Not that he 403 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,480 was a particularly slow player, but when you're looking at what he would do 404 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,160 operating off the dribble when the half court was set, he did feel touch 405 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,880 slower at points, even with the directionality of his downhill attacks or going east 406 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,200 west trying to elude players, he just felt a touch slower than linka Pascal 407 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,759 Siakam. If you ask me to peg it at a percentage chance, I 408 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,599 don't even I don't even feel comfortable giving one. It's probably higher than the 409 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,680 credit I would give. The Eastern Conference is deep with forwards and wings when 410 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,599 they're when they're fully healthy, so that could make it difficult for him. 411 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:53,319 Also, what will be prohibitive is just the fact that you will have two 412 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,519 people in front of you in the offensive pecking order, in Fred van Fleet 413 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,960 and Pascal Siakam, if the roster stays the same, I think he's going 414 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,400 to need to put up like real you know, o Ganna Nobi two twenty 415 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,039 two, twenty one type scoring numbers just to catch the attention of the voters, 416 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,200 fans and media members alike. I could see him becoming just sort of 417 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,920 a defensive monster someone were mentioning in the all defensive discussion next season, and 418 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,440 again it would not shock me. I just wouldn't bet on it. E 419 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,039 G has apparently coming to the right podcast. He asked, why does no 420 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,160 one care? Isaiah Hartenstein had a higher pr tri stream percentage and assist percentage 421 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,480 than James harden while Hardenstein was in a bench role when the only other players 422 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:41,319 to do that in NBA history are Curry, KD and Yokich. I didn't 423 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,400 even know that that was a thing, so I apologize for not caring for 424 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,759 that. I do think there's something to Hartenstein being underrated. The fact he 425 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,039 had a fight for a roster spot in LA in the first place still wild 426 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,680 to me. I look at these numbers. They're more specific, but I 427 00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,599 think they're a snapshot of his value. He was coming off the bench for 428 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,400 LA, his role was expanded as the c season went on, just as 429 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,559 a situational passer on the move, someone who is able to protect the rim 430 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,279 for them, he had some range to his game. I think he's capable 431 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,160 of expanding his three point touch, even if his release isn't the quickest. 432 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,000 But numbers that's tenned out to me. Opponent shot forty seven point five percent 433 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,599 against Isaiah Harten signed at the rim last season. That's the best mark allowed 434 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,799 by one hundred and sixty three players to challenge at least one hundred and fifty 435 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:27,200 shot attempts at the rim. Hart signs nineteen point three assist rate ranked sixth 436 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,839 among all centers who averaged fifteen and more minutes per game last season. That's 437 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:36,319 a big freaking deal. While he isn't what you'd term an explosive lob threat, 438 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,039 he can definitely finish tough catch and shoot lay ins through contact and even 439 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,400 above the rim. They're just not going to be these thundering dunks. I'm 440 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,640 more impressed by his touch just beyond the point plank range. He downed fourteen 441 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,759 of his thirty three point attempts. That's a forty six point seven percent clip 442 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,559 and found nylon on almost fifty nine percent of his floaters. He was fifty 443 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:02,640 five of ninety three on floaters. Nonstar centers are generally consider replaceable and seldom 444 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400 generated a ton of fanfare. This is someone who would not shock me to 445 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,599 see that he's graduated from mini mid level exception territory to full mid level exception 446 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,599 territory. And if it's a shorter deal, is there a team that's willing 447 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,960 to offer him more that has cap space? And maybe it's just two years 448 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,519 and they've inflated, or it's three years or something. He has been that 449 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,119 good and I think he's a starting center in the NBA and definitely one of 450 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,559 the most underrated players from this past season, one most underrated free agents heading 451 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:36,839 into this summer. Next question comes from Shalamar the God. If Clay Thompson 452 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,920 wasn't untouchable, what team would benefit most from a Clay Thompson trade. I 453 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:42,319 try to give these questions, and if you saw the doc that I have 454 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920 lined up right in front of me, I do a ton of research for 455 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,160 these. This was one I struggled with, maybe because I just can't ever 456 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,079 envision the Warriors moving him. The team that springs to mind for me. 457 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,759 Would be Cleveland. Just they need shooting. They could use a little bit 458 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,240 more shock creation, but they just need like sweet shooting wings. And you 459 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,920 think about what Klay Thompson does. He has been a liability at points on 460 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,359 defense. Now the Caps being Larry market and look good on defense this year, 461 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,680 I think he did a better job staying in front of guys relative to 462 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,880 his matchups than some people I believe. I know the Calves were able to 463 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,039 structure and play around with his matchups in a unique way because they have both 464 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,720 Mobili and Alan alongside him. It only gets easier with Klay Thompson. I'm 465 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,920 not saying replaces on Marketing at the three, but if you're playing him while 466 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,279 putting someone else at the two, it could be a Colin Sexton. It 467 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:30,920 could be a Caress Lavert with Deres Gollan at the one. It could also 468 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,920 be Isaaca Coro and Clay as sort of your swingman and perimeter guy. We 469 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,440 also talk about which we give up to get him, which I'm assuming probably 470 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,240 consists of if we were doing a trade, Number fourteen is Isaaca Corre. 471 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,480 I don't even if teams would actually give up that much for Klay Thompson. 472 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,000 Let's throw that package aside. I look at what Cleveland needs most, and 473 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:57,200 he feels like a great fit, not the least of because he doesn't work 474 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,599 PETEO your defense. Still, if you have enough competent defend years around you, 475 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,440 it might be really important for them to also keep isaschool core out just 476 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,400 because of how you could, you know, shape shift your defensive matchups. 477 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,039 There. With that said, Evan Mobley's basically a do it all guy on 478 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,519 defense, and he gives you that flexibility. Anyway, I could see Toronto 479 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,319 as an interesting fit. They need shooting, they also need some half court 480 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,240 creation. They have more than enough defensive talent to handle a reduced version of 481 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,960 Lay Thompson at that end. And look, I want to point this out. 482 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,759 Thompson was already on the defensive the climb before his injuries, and he's 483 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:36,079 coming back from an achilles and an acl injury, where for each of those 484 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,079 it kind of feels like you punt on your first season back. You're just 485 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,920 not the same player. Kevin Durant was an anomaly, of course, but 486 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,240 defensively, it feels like you're not the same player for at least a year 487 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:51,240 or that you're a shell of your former self, or at least a year. 488 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,079 And so I'm not saying we need to bake two years into his recovery 489 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:58,160 timeline, but let's try and keep what we're seeing now this past half season 490 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,680 that he played basically in perspect if he could be a lot better next year. 491 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,559 So Cleveland or Toronto spring to mind for me. I tried to figure 492 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,280 out a Western Conference team that would make a ton of sense. I didn't 493 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,920 get there. I mean, the Lakers just need talent, so you could 494 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,760 obviously throw him right there. I think the Grizzlies, if it's not gonna 495 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,920 be the Wars, would be my next team to pick. Just another team 496 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,920 that could definitely use some half court shooting in the idea of Clay Thompson pin 497 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,519 bolling around, and then they're going to have the defenders to really make his 498 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:30,280 job simple. So the three teams I'm settling on is the best non Warriors 499 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,320 play Thompson's fit fits. And this would be This is infinitely stupid, because 500 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,440 we know what's ever gonna happen. It is Cleveland, Toronto, and Memphis. 501 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,400 If I had to pick a fourth or Orlando, Look, they have 502 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000 the number one pick Jonathan Isaac might be healthy. They have mark el faults. 503 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,880 We have a question about mark El Folts in our discord portion of this 504 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,000 mailback. So the next mailback we released next week sometime we'll have that they 505 00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,280 need shooting and someone like lay Thompson would really open up things for Jail and 506 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,119 Suggs and keel Folds and whether they wind up with Jabari Smith, Junior chet 507 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:07,840 Home or Palo Bank Caro and people have mentioned that we don't talk enough about 508 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,000 teams like the Magic. Going for these window plays is because the Magic aren't 509 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920 winning now. I want to make that clear, and I'm not trying to 510 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:16,800 dump all over the Magic. I know they get less coverage than a lot 511 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,360 of other teams, probably including on this podcast, because they're out of headlines 512 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,239 so often. We try to do a thorough job as possible though of covering 513 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,719 the league. I think we do awesome at it if I can be selfish 514 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,679 and not so humble for a minute. So I'm gonna throw Orlando into that 515 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,519 mix just if they were looking to win now, based off what that roster 516 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,519 kind of needs, and you believe you have the nice defensive base with you 517 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:42,079 know, maybe you're drafting chet Home Rinn and you have Window Quarter junior already. 518 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,519 You know you have Jonathan Isaac at Faults as well, Like that's something 519 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:50,000 that you could look at, depending on the asking price again doesn't matter, 520 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,400 but just thinking about Klay Thompson fits there. Jake g asked, is this 521 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,519 the perfect trade? Who says? No? In my mind, the Hornets 522 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,880 are getting a first round pick as well. Jake, I love you and 523 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,800 all your questions. I want to know why the Hornets would be getting a 524 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,880 first round pick and Harrison Barnes and Matisse Thybel for giving up Gordon Hayward. 525 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,480 But the deal is Philly gets Gordon Hayward, Rashaun Holmes, Justin Holliday, 526 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,519 Charlotte gets Harrison Barnes with heast type on a first round pick. I'm just 527 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,760 gonna go out on a limb and say it's not the King's number four pick, 528 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,199 and then the Kings get James Harden. This is, I'm sorry to 529 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,679 tell you, not the perfect trade. I get that maybe you think James 530 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,639 Harden sucks now. I was talking about this in the discord where I think 531 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,719 it's more likely he enters the MVP discussion next season than this drop. Off 532 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400 continues just because I can't envision such this steep, sudden drop off from him. 533 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,400 Based on his comments during the exit interviews, I feel like this is 534 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,360 the off season where he'll take his recovery, his diet, nutrition, fitness 535 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,280 more seriously than he has the past two or three off seasons, or maybe 536 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,519 his entire career. I just don't think he's ever shown that commitment to staying 537 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,840 in a certain type of shape, even though he's been fantastically durable and in 538 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,000 shape that other players have, and he's into his thirties. Now that's something 539 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,280 that would probably need to change. It's just funny me sitting in a chair 540 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,199 right now recording this and I'm saying an NBA player, he'sn't getting the shape. 541 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,679 The other issue here is just that James Harden has control over where he's 542 00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:14,119 going. He's not going to the Kings. If he has no other offers 543 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,000 on the market and he's forced to pick up his player option, then yes, 544 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:21,320 the Kings could definitely go that route. I don't even if I'm a 545 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,159 Kings like, yeah, I'd roll the dice on James Harden. If it's 546 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:27,159 Barnes, Holmes and Holiday and you're not giving up like any major first round 547 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,559 equity. So for them might do it, I just in a heartbeat it 548 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,159 from Charlotte Philly to me is getting screwed. They would be the team that 549 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,280 needs to get picks here. Hayward's contract to me is still net negative, 550 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,880 even if it's potentially shorter than the next deal that James Harden would sign. 551 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,639 Your highest and outcome with Gordon Hayward is significantly lower than your highest and outcome 552 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,360 with James Harden, So I would I do not think this is the perfect 553 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,559 trade. I apologize j g. It would be interesting if James Harden does 554 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,159 enter the trade discourse this season after signing his next contract, or maybe he's 555 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,480 just opting in and playing on an expiring contract. I'm bracing myself for anything, 556 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:05,039 just because he was, you know, pretty bad when he wasn't pretty 557 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,880 bad, but he was pretty uninspiring this past season. I will say with 558 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,880 Harden, even when he's like operating at this like half capacity, his on 559 00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,800 ball gravity is incredible. I don't think you're ever gonna get him to move 560 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,119 him off the ball, and he could still definitely hit jumpers off the catch. 561 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:21,480 But when he's on the ball, teams really good defenses still pay a 562 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,239 ton of attention to him. That opens up things for everybody else, and 563 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,719 he remains one of the league's best passers, so I don't want to dismiss 564 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,400 that either. Final two questions here, both of which will come from Raoul 565 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:38,519 Clement. He first asked Jeremy Grant for Julius Randall and draft compensation. Detroit 566 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,800 seems to have plenty of cap space and time to take on bad money. 567 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,880 Grant isn't the star that the Knicks want, but he seems a little more 568 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,679 plug and play than Randall. I think the Pisses need to be following Okay 569 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,960 season lead by using their cap space to take on bad contracts or picks. 570 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,639 They're not hate that idea For Detroit. I think the issue is in a 571 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,639 nutshell of taking on contracts or picks. Julia Randall has four years left on 572 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,519 his deal, his extension, his MAX, what was a max extension at 573 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,719 the time, is only kicking in to start next season, and so that's 574 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,559 tough to swallow. What is the draft compensation that's making it worth it? 575 00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:20,239 And then you still have to reconcide the fact that he's there, and are 576 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,159 you going to play him when he's such a huge cap number and you're rebuilding, 577 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,840 and if you're not, you're just gonna have this dead cap number or 578 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,800 player is he Is he with your team not with your team? Are you 579 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,719 confident that he could you could reroute him at some point, I honestly don't 580 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,599 know. But when he's you know, owed four years and one hundred nineteen 581 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:44,320 million dollars I believe was the final number. Even talked about his actual contract 582 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,519 in quite some time. Four years, one and seventeen million is what it 583 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:50,239 was. Has a player option in the final year for thirty two point four. 584 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,679 He's definitely exercising that. As of now, you would need to be 585 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,880 confident in his ability to help your team or at least reboot his value, 586 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,679 or the Knicks need to be offering you a crap ton of compensation. And 587 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,559 if if I'm being honest, I think we're talking about number eleven at minimum. 588 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,920 To get this type of contract off your books. Maybe you're arguing that 589 00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:12,320 Julius Rendell could actually help a team Untilking to win. Now that would become 590 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,079 a third team scenario. Then grant on the Knicks is fine, but he's 591 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,199 also a good player. While he's head it towards free agency. You have 592 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,159 to account for the value you're giving up with him. Would they trade Jeremy 593 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:22,360 Grant for the number eleven pick? Straight up? My guests would be no, 594 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:28,199 And so are you willing to go Cam reddish Obe topping an eleven like 595 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,480 pairing that with Julius Randall to get Jeremy Grant? Where that opens your books 596 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,360 and you get As Robel mentioned, he's more plug and play, even though 597 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,960 he wants a bigger role. Julius Randall. Part of this is on the 598 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,679 Knicks. They need to use him as a screener more and even like as 599 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:43,079 a spot up shooter or more. He's at least shown in the past, 600 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,960 even briefly, that he can hit threes. So I don't hate the idea 601 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,280 of this for Detroit. I just would question whether the Knicks can and should 602 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,400 give up at enough draft that could even make it happen. I think they 603 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,639 are going to think that they can reboot his value themselves. He is one 604 00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:01,440 year removed from making second team all yeah. I just think he demands too 605 00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,519 much centrality within the offense to ever be the player that is going to be 606 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,239 best suited for this. I think his role needs to be rejiggered to just 607 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,639 include more complimentary usage, like I said, being used to the screen, 608 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,519 or more maybe in Linus where he's actually the five the defensive returns be damned 609 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,559 there. I look, if the Pistons are interested, you should absolutely explore 610 00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,639 it as the Nick Shore with any other team that's gonna have cap space. 611 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,920 But if you're also getting back a player who's good, I could see this 612 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,159 being number eleven plus Obi Toppin would be the minimum. I could see destroys 613 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,800 you doing it for And again the length of the Randall extension, having those 614 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,360 full four years, I think that makes it more difficult. The other trade 615 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,159 will proposed Deandreton for John Collins. I don't have a clear sense of Aten's 616 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,599 value. I want to say he's seen as more valuable than Collins, but 617 00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:53,199 maybe if you if you have to pay him the max. However, excuse 618 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,679 me over would he rank you? Oh? I actually have two questions after 619 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,960 this, now that I'm now that I'm seeing this anyway, and Collins would 620 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,400 give However, I think he could help Atlanta's defense a lot, and Collins 621 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,920 would give Phoenix some more small ball versatility. Plus it seems like they don't 622 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719 want to pay eight in anyway? Is their path to getting Collins and macdonovich 623 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,360 if they throw on someone else, maybe Cam Johnson or someone. Should the 624 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,440 Suns even want to do that? Should the Hawks? I don't think the 625 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,639 Hawks should want to do that because I wouldn't view DeAndre Aten as a defensive 626 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,840 upgrade over Clint Cappela. They do different things, but Clint Cappella is going 627 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,039 to be substantially cheaper if DeAndre and gets the Max. I do like the 628 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:34,119 idea of John Collins and Phoenix if you trust your defense overall. Are they 629 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,039 willing to pay him even around twenty five million a year when it seems like 630 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,880 they don't want to pay bigs anything near max money. Maybe it's different just 631 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,199 because he stretches the floor and he's just proved infinitely scalable, that type of 632 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,079 return be interesting for them. You need to have another team that's taking on 633 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:51,239 Capella, and I think Atlanta would still need to get more there base here. 634 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,119 Compensation makes this really difficult as well, because Aton would counts only like 635 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,320 fifteen points something million an outgoing salary should he sign the Max. I don't 636 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,440 love the idea for Atlanta, though, I do think that Phoenix can get 637 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,760 into some interesting trade packages where if John Collins is available, maybe this is 638 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,920 a situation where there is a third team involved, and maybe that third team 639 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,079 is Detroit, where Jeremy Grants the one going to Atlanta, and then you're 640 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:19,639 sending something to Detroit to help it make worth their while. Is DeAndre Atan 641 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,639 involved in that? And then Atlanta is sending you John Collins by virtue of 642 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,960 that framework. I don't hate the idea of John Collins and Phoenix. I 643 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,000 just that would be a fairly significant defensive drop off going from Eton to Collins. 644 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,760 There that being said, you can play Collins at the four. You 645 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,480 can't do that with eighten, despite what Ayton might say. And if you 646 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,480 keep Devala game, maybe bring me up his mac biambo. If you sign 647 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,800 another center that you're you're really high on, you're able to cobble together a 648 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,920 good defense in that regard. So I like the thought of just as an 649 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,559 off the beat sort of consideration of John Collins and Phoenix. I think people 650 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:58,519 have been when you're not talking about an actual center, they're more inclined to 651 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,440 go the Jeremy Grant route more when they're talking about a big It's been a 652 00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:05,519 yaka purdle because of his defense. I don't hate the idea of leaning into 653 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,559 offense at this point. John Collins gives you more actual shock creation than DeAndre 654 00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:12,320 Ayton. There's more post up work to plumb with him. But he has 655 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,519 more of a face up floor game, I think than Atan does. And 656 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,320 just his range extending me on the three point line. Hit thirty six point 657 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,119 six percent of his catch and shoot threes last year, and I that number 658 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,960 to me, I would expect to go up. He would definitely be more 659 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,400 of an an offensive asset. Now we're at our final mail. Bad question 660 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,159 from long time listener friend of the podcast Miroslav Shook, rank your top five 661 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,159 guys to start your franchise with right now in the case of a fantasy draft. 662 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:39,519 I didn't see this one, so I'm doing this off the cuff. 663 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,679 I'm gonna go with Luca don Chich. I'm going to go with Jason Tatum. 664 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,039 After that, I have to, like, I have to get past 665 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,280 these so many old heads or older heads excuse me, or are springing to 666 00:44:53,400 --> 00:45:02,079 mind here. I'm gonna say Evan Mobley, Scotty Barnes, and Kake Cunningham. 667 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:06,239 Did I just pick I really just went that route. I'm gonna Kake 668 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:13,119 Cunningham definitely him, Luke Donchich, Jason Tatum. If I'm not gonna, 669 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,920 I wouldn't use any of the like I say, oh, Orlando's number one, 670 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,920 pick, Luca don Chi's, Tatum and Kake Cunningham for sure. I'm 671 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,159 gonna throw Scottie Barnes in there as well. Do I want Mobley? Then? 672 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,000 What do I think Mobley's gonna become on the offensive? And I'm sure 673 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,159 people are at rate right now that I'm I'm thinking in that I'm thinking in 674 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:37,920 these these terms. So yeah, those four. I don't know who my 675 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360 fifth is. I don't want to settle on somebody. I think it might 676 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,480 be Evan Mobley. I could see the case for you thinking that it maybe 677 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,679 it needs to be someone the lines of a Devin Booker just giving his youth 678 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,800 and all he does on offense. Zion Williams said, if he was healthy, 679 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,280 he could be in the mix. I think Joel Embiad's officially like two 680 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,559 old for this. I know what fuck it, Yannest, it's still y 681 00:45:54,639 --> 00:46:00,679 honest, it's Jannest Tatum, Don Chich Barnes and Kake Cunning. That's what 682 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,400 I'm going with. Come at me if you're angry, I mean no malice, 683 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,119 and please recognize I did this off the top of my head. This 684 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,639 was great. Thank you everyone who made it this far and for listening. 685 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,079 Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe to this podcast wherever you were 686 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,800 getting your podcasts. Until next time, I'll leave you all the shout out 687 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,880 to the one, the only, and someone who's not gotten a shout out 688 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,880 for this and quite some time. Definitely makes my list now that i'm thinking 689 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,639 about it. The top five guys to start my franchise with right now in 690 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,320 case of a fantasy draft, Frank and Neil Keenan