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Second hour of the program. Welcome
to Exus and Bros. I'm the Meyer

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Hotline eighty six six eight three eight
forty forty three. That's the number you

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could call to join in the conversation. We'd left off discussing Nicola Jokic and

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just how good he is. Paul
likelihood will make his sixth All NBA team

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starting won his third MVP in the
last four years. And I was reading

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about this last night, thinking to
myself, when you join the likes of

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Jabbar and Malone and Russell and Chamberlain
and Jordan and Byrd and Magic Johnson,

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guys like that as winners of three
MVPs are more Because Jabbar won six,

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Russell won five, Chamberlain won four, I think to myself, that's he's

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destined to be a Hall of Famer. I'm going to give you some numbers

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associated with some of the greatest big
men to ever play. Some of them

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have to be skewed, and I'll
explain here in a minute. Kareem Abdul

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Jabbar is the greatest big man to
ever play. I know many of you

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think it's Shaquille O'Neal. It might
be that's your opinion. Kareem Abdul Jabbar

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had the shot and no one could
stop. He won six titles. He

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was an MVP six times. He
was All NBA First Team fifteen times.

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Bill Russell won eleven titles, five
MVPs, all NBA First Team eleven times.

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Will Chamberlain won a couple of titles, one in Philly, one in

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LA, four time MVP ten times, all the time NBA First Team.

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Shack was fourteen times All NBA,
four NBA Championships. One MVP agreed,

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makes no sense. Ridiculous, whether
you liked him or not, because I

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remember talking with people way back in
the day while he's playing, and they're

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like, he's that big, he
should dominate inside when you're seven one to

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three in a quarter, Yeah,
you should dominate. His MVP season.

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Forget about the field goal percentages.
You're so close to the hoop, right,

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But his MVP season he averaged twenty
nine point seven will you allow me

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to round it up to thirty?
Thank you? And thirteen and a half

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rebounds. He finished second in the
MVP race back in nineteen ninety five.

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David Robinson was MVP that year.
His loan MVP. You could accept that

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couldn't you? Yeah, he finished
fourth one year Achem Elijah Won was MVP.

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Robinson finished ahead of Shaquille two that
year. Could you accept it with

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Elijah Wan's loan MVP that year?
Absolutely? Look at Elijahan's numbers and I

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think Elijau Won's a really underrated player. Loved watching him play because everybody brings

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up when Shaquille O'Neal lost the MVP
race to Steve Nash. So I've already

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told you he's lost one to Robinson, He's lost one to Elijah one,

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lost one to Alan Iverson, finished
third that year to Allan Iverson, lost

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one to Tim Duncan. Jason Kidd
finished ahead of him one year or that

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same year. But it's the two
thousand and five where everyone's like, how

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is that possible? How do you
lose to Steve Nash who averaged fifteen and

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a half points, averaged eleven and
a half assists, shot the ball.

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Well, Phoenix had a good year. I'm not saying it's right. I'm

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just saying people to a certain extent
could understand there are other players he finished

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behind than just Steve Nash in his
career. It's hard to fathom. That

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he only had one MVP. It's
hard to fathom that certain other players Nikola

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Jokic, for example, has compared
to checks one. But it's true.

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But I was watching this and I'm
thinking, Okay, you know, Shaquille

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and Neale just mentioned Keim Elijuan had
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First Team twelve times, Moses Malone
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a championship, the Championship with Philadelphia, Robinson two titles with the Spurs and

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MVP and ten Not that you had
to watch those players, because I didn't

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really see Bill Russell and Will Chamberlain
in his prime play. Those guys.

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I mean, is Nicole Yokitchen in
that category? Those guys are legends.

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Those are legendary centers, man,
And if you never had a chance to

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watch any of those guys play,
it's really too bad, because they were

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it was beautiful to watch. I
have Dull Jabbar. It's not that I'm

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a huge fan. I just really
appreciate he is. He was really enjoyable

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to watch. He was very graceful, like Keim Elijahan was incredibly athletic.

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Anyway, congratulations to Nikola Jokic,
it is not. It was a little

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bit of a surprise to me,
not super surprising, and look, you're

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in the running. How surprising can
you be? But yeah, really really

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impressive season for him, even though
his team's down to Minnesota. NHL Florida

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blows out Boston six to one.
Bruins allowed twelve goals total in the first

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round series against Toronto and that win
seven games. They allowed six in Game

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two. Boston won Game one five
to one. Florida wins Game two six

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to one. But remember it's a
little misleading. In the first game,

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despite losing five to one, Florida
still had thirty nine shots. This one

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was kind of a blowout, and
the fights in the third were super intense.

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How much of that was Boston making
a quote unquote statement for game three

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when it goes to Boston because that
game was in Miami last night. How

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much of that is just that,
I don't know. Good for them,

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stand your ground, I'm okay with
that, But Florida made sure they fought

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back. Thirteen penalties on the night
for Boston, ten penalties on the night

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for Florida. Plenty of fighting taking
place, including Brandon mont tour and Brad

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Marshan and David Pasternak and Matthew Kachuk
In the third Monteur Scores had to go

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into his says, turns and basically
gets in Marshan's face and he wasn't going

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to take any of that. That
was more of a wrestling match than it

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was a fight. Heavy punches thrown
in the Kachuk and Pastrnak, who you

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would not have thought would be willing
to drop the gloves, but he did

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because I mean, those are two
elite offensive players. Ka Chuck's more of

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a tough guy. It's hard not
to like him. But there was plenty

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of spillover. Some undisciplined, sure, but there were plenty of fisticuffs taking

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place, not just in the third
either early on. Here's what the coach

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had to say about it. I
think it's a good thing. The two

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elite off defensive players and the Chuck
is one hundred point guy all day long.

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Master Knacks just this brilliant player.
But it's playoffs and they each have

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their team, right, They got
their brothers in the room, gets a

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little spicy out there and they want
to go. I think it was awesome.

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Well, I don't think there's gonna
be any spill over into the next

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game. You know, these are
two teams that are rivals, you know

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with you know, we played each
other last year, playing each other this

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year, and it's going to be
a series. And what I'm really proud

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of I'm proud of Pasta because there's
so many guys out there pushing after whistle

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when the linesmen are there, Boston
could chuck. They just went out there

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and fought. That's what you like. You like your hockey players to be

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competitors. I love that man.
That was Paul mal Reice the first part

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of the cut, and then Jim
Montgomery, the head coach of Boston the

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second. It's funny, I was
thinking the exact same thing sometimes the beat

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of the playoffs, if you don't
have your team in there, there's no

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dog in the fight, quote unquote. You can watch it with an open

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mind and you can just enjoy it. I think eventually everybody has there's there's

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some type of lean one way or
the other. But the beauty of that

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last night is I'm right there with
Jim Montgomery. Too many guys, too

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many times you see guys chirping a
little bit and they're waiting for the linesmen

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to come in. Those guys who
weren't waiting for anybody. They wanted to

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go after one another. They wanted
to make a statement. They wanted to

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show their teammates. This is why
I wear the A as an assistant captain.

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It was awesome. It's what I
love about hockey. They take care

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of their business on the ice,
not words, and then they move on

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the first thirty seven games are strengths, weaknesses. See how on target we

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Got to wait, got to head
out to a destination wedding. Oh those

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things? What is it? What
is it today? With I mean,

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there's a lot of young people who
they just they love the destination wedding.

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You got to go someplace else?
Aren't you from here? Yes? Is

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she from here? Yes? But
where we go? Oh? Everybody.

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Pretty much everybody who's going to the
wedding is from here. But you're gonna

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go someplace else, all right,
Thanks a lot anyway, that's where we're

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headed. Those are the things that
happened. By the way, The one

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thing I did not get to is
the uh the other NHL score from last

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night, and that's Vancouver coming from
three goals down to beat Edmitt in five

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to four. They scored three goals
in five and a half minutes. Connor

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Garland had the game winner. You
know, I started watching this game,

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couldn't stay for the whole thing.
Started watching this game. I'm thinking thinking,

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man, Edmonton is skating all over
Vancouver and then boom they come back.

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What happened the other day against Colorado. Colorado comes from the Greek of

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three goals down and beats Dallas.
You never know, it keeps you in

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there, keeps you hanging on there, don't you think? I've read this

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the other day and it at some
point I'm going to let it go.

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When it is, I don't know, but I've got to let it go.

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Think about it. The nineteen ninety
two Olympic men's basketball team nineteen ninety

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two, some of you weren't even
born that it's thirty two years ago,

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right, Why does it bother me
still? I don't know, man,

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It just there's something in me that
has a hard time letting this one to

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go. And it's brought up pretty
regularly. Isaiah Thomas was left off that

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team. It's known as the Dream
Team. I'm sure you know who was

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on that team, you know,
with Magic Johnson and Larry Byrd and David

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Robinson, John Paxston and Carl Malone
and Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan, blah

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blah blah, Scottie Pippen, go
on and on that, Patrick Ewing,

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Christian Layner. Ah. But anyway, Isaiah Thomas was left off that team.

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Charles Barkley appeared on a podcast of
Shannon Sharp's the other day and Sharp

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asked him. Barkley basically said,
it's because Michael Jordan didn't want him on

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the team. He was left Isaiah
Thomas left off the team because Michael Jordan

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didn't want to play with him.
And he also admits that Isaiah Thomas was

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the best little man of all time. He has said that in a different

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interview. Steph Curry's right there,
but he said, if I had,

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if I had to win one game
with a little guy, one of the

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younger, smaller guys in the league, it'd be Isaiah Thomas. Cut your

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heart out, mad respect for his
ability and his fight to win. Now,

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we would remind you it doesn't make
him a great human being. A

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lot of people didn't trust him.
I get it. We're talking about your

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ability to play the game of basketball, and he was one of the best

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players in the world at the time, but Michael Jordan ruled the roost.

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I've said this a nauseam, so
I apologize if I'm We've heard it before.

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Sure, I'm pissed off at Michael
Jordan for that. I'm just as

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pissed off Chuck Daily and Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson was supposed to be his

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buddy, Chuck Daily was his coach, and neither one of them had the

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guts to say anything. But we
do get now. Do I think Michael

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Jordan owes him a public apology like
Isiah Thomas has asked for? No?

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But I truly believe and I've said
it forever, back in the time I

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was working Detroit radio in nineteen ninety
two, and yes, I said the

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same thing. Jordan kept him off. What I didn't know until years later

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is that Dali and Johnson went along
with it just as troubling. I'd like

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to see somebody interview Magic Johnson and
say, if you were supposed to be

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his best friend or one of his
best friends, guys med at center Cordon

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back in nineteen eighty eight, in
nineteen eighty nine, and you kissed each

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other on the cheek, and you
know, you called each other, you

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know, hung out with one another. Why didn't you do something about it?

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Why is it always Michael Jordan who's
the bad guy in the situation,

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and nobody else who actually stood up
and said, you know what, he's

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one of the best players in the
world. He should be on this team.

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Am I being hypocritical because I think
there is something to team chemistry?

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Maybe I'll admit that one hundred percent
because he was a Piston, because he

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was representing my team, my state, my city. Yes, if it

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were somebody else, if it were
Scottie Pippen, and I said, hey,

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man, players got to trust one
another, Players have to appreciate one

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another, players have to believe in
that guy. There's something to harmony,

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There's something to chemistry. Okay,
I'll open myself up. Absolutely. I

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could be seen as being a hypocrite
here. I didn't think Scottie Pippen was

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in that category with Isaiah Thomas.
But if you wanted to use that example,

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you would win the argument. Charles
Barkley is the latest to confirm what

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we have all felt for a while. The bothersome thing about it is that

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nobody ever asked Magic Johnson about that, or Jordan himself. And now so

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much time has elapsed thirty two years, who really cares? Meyer? Hotline

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eight sixty six eight three, eight
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the lines, Ben, who's waiting
for us? Yeah, we got Jake

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and Grand Rapids. Hi Jake,
Good morning to you. How are you?

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I'm very well, long time listener
of you listen to when you were

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back with Michigan basketball. Just had
a couple of thoughts on what coach Montgomery

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said about the Pasta and kit Chuck
fight. Yeah. I think it's kind

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of just kind of bogus that he
said it's not going to bleed over into

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Game three. You know, this
is playoff hockey, Like that's like saying

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that Lemieux and McCarty back in the
late nineties, you know when they had

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their scuffles that they just didn't know
when they were on the ice together,

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Like k Chuck's that guy. He's
going to be out there a thorn in

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the side of Pasta and Marshaan.
He's going to be looking for those guys

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when they're on the ice together.
I think it's, you know, complete

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bogus for two rival teams like that, like, oh, it's not going

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to bleed over, We're just going
to go on to the next game,

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get it out of the way.
I think it's the complete opposite. I

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think, especially since uh Ko Chuck
gave him the two pretty good shots to

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the head when Pasta is already on
the ground, I think, you know,

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it's going to put something in the
back of Pasta's mind always looking out

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to make sure Kit Chuck's not on
the ice. Then, Yeah, I

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don't disagree with that at all.
I didn't say it wouldn't bleed over,

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Jim Montgomery, and that was the
sound bite that he played. Yeah,

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I believe. I believe it a
bleed over. I don't know what.

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I absolutely I think it will bleed
over. Yeah, I think so.

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I think, Look, it's Paul
Maurice said it during that SoundBite. These

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are two they've become rivals now because
of a playoff series a year ago and

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now this year. And thanks for
the phone call. Sorry, we're up

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against the break. Appreciate the call
and great insight. Yeah. Absolutely,

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I mean, obviously a huge hockey
fan. You and I are both watching

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it last night. I believe it. Now. Will it be in the

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first period right away at first shift? Probably not, but yeah, I

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mean I think it was important for
Pastronach to do that because he's not seen

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as a fighter, and I think
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night. Look, I'm in total
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part of the break. He's dead
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Call anytime. Really enjoyed that brief
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little bit longer, speaking of hockey
real quick. And then we're going to

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get to something related to the Lions
and football. I had mentioned yesterday the

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finalists for the Heart Trophy Nathan McKinnon
Colorado, who I think is going to

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win. Of course, I thought
Donjits would win MVP in the NBA,

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and I was wrong. Connor McDavid
and Nikita Kucheroff of Tampa. Kucharovs already

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won it twice. McDavid's won it
three times. McKinnon has not won it

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yet. He's had an unbelievable year. Colorado has had a really good year.

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I think he's going to win it, but it wouldn't necessarily surprise me

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if Kutcherov wins it either. I
lamented that Austin Matthews is not a finalist.

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He scored sixty nine goals. He's
not a finalist. What's interesting is

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the NHL Players Association has named their
three finals for the Ted Lindsay Award.

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Matthews is on that it's a player
year. Players in the NHL vote for

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this going stut standing player in the
NHL. What means more that or writers

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voting? What do you think would
be more prestigious? You're voted amongst your

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peers. I would guess that means
a little bit more to you. And

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Matthews has won that before. Kucharoff
has won it as well. Here are

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the three Matthews, McKinnon. Kucheroff
as good as Nathan McKinnon is, and

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he's one of the greatest players in
the world. To say he's a top

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five player in the world, Nathan
McKinnon, he's never won it, he's

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never won the Heart, and he's
never won the Ted Lindsay Matthews to win

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this, he's not even up for
the Heart. And I bet you,

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I'll bet you players look at that
as a huge slight. It's hard to

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narrow it down to three guys.
How good the NHL is. But I

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think what's gonna happen is he's gonna
He's gonna win the Ted Lindsay Award.

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Sixty nine goals, one hundred and
seven points, tenth player in NHL history

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to have six or more hat tricks
in a season. McKinnon wins the Heart,

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Matthews wins the Ted Lindsay. Just
my opinion could be off base there,

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but I'm gonna call that shot.
I don't want to be you know

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the guy on MLB network who said, watch, we're gonna have no hit

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alert and then like first batter in
guy hits a home run. I don't

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want to do I don't want to
be that I don't want to be that

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guy and have that type of reputation. I'm just giving you my thoughts.

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Okay, all right, NFL.
When the Lions were able to move up

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and draft Terry on Arnold out of
Alabama, many people were a little surprised.

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They were surprised because they didn't think
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they might be a little surprised that
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get to him, probably more surprised
that they drafted Brakestraw on the second.

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But whatever. Here's the question that
many people wondered. What had to happen

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in order for him to be there. One of the things that had to

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happen was that the Raiders had to
pass on him. The Raiders, choosing

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thirteenth, selected brock Bowers, the
tight end out of Georgia, who is

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a difference maker. He's going to
help at O'Connell or who's ever under under

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center for the Raiders. Terry on
Arnold was on a podcast recently, and

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here's what he had to say on
what the Raiders told him on why he

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would eventually be available for the Lions. At twenty four and the Lions picked

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you. For you to get that
moment on the stage with those Detroit fans

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was incredible to watch. I can
only imagine how great it was for you.

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Amazing. I mean, all my
team, they like Terry On would

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be the one to get drafted.
What a draft is? Yeah, I

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mean how much conversation did you have
with Brad Holmes and with Dan Campbell and

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with that organization. I went on
to visit there. Obviously they told me,

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they said, you're one of those
guys who had to trade at the

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gate, but our past may cross. We don't think we'll be able to

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get you. And my agent,
Nicole Shard a very great job, but

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just she actually texted them that following
morning and said, hey, you know

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it's a heavy old line receiver,
quarterback, heavy, y'all pens some draft

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class man, y'all, y'all might
have a chance. And then just from

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going back and talking to him,
they they knew that the Raiders it pos

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They took me, and actually the
Raiders coach they called me after the drift

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they were like, you know,
we actually had a coin toss between you

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and brought Bowers and man it on
him. I was like, oh wow.

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And then after the Raiders passed,
they said, okay, we got

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to get up there before Jacksonville.
So actually, Brad was they were trying

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to trade all the way up the
fifteen sixteen to get them. So it's

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just one of those things where you
go where you wanted and that right there,

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man, that fit. And as
far as how the fans are,

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schemes that they run, and just
even being around guys like James Jamir especially

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Brian like, man, it was
a dream come true for me. So

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Terry on Arnold, they're on the
Next Round Pot podcast saying that the Raiders

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told him that it actually had a
coin toss between him and Bowers and it

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landed on him. So he was
like, oh wow. Now the Raiders

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would not confirm that. Of course
they're not going to admit to that.

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Do you think that's a figure of
speech? A common phrase used. It

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was a coin flip between you two
guys and we went with Bowers or in

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you laws or do you think they
truly flipped a coin? Now? Immediately

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my thought was, wait a minute. The general manager, Champ Kelly,

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was asked about this, according to
ESPN, and he said he can't confirm

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that at all. Do you think
there's not much clarification there? But do

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you think the Raiders are going on
a coin flip? Hell no, that's

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got to be a figure of speech. And the reason he's not going to

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confirm it is because of what he
wants to make sure brock Bauers feels good

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about himself as a Raider. He's
not going to say we determine our draft

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picks when we have two guys rated
highly based on a coin flip. Brock

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Bauers your heads, Terry on Arnold
your tails. No, that's not how

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it works. There's no way that's
what they did. This is not Matt

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Millen running the front office. Now. Was I surprised? Yeah, I

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was a little surprised because they used
a second round pick a year ago on

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Michael Mayer. He's not necessarily viewed
as the a pure tight end. He's

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an offensive weapon. He's a really
good pass catcher. He's a big,

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huge body, no doubt at it. But Bowers does everything. It's a

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good blocker, you can flex him. He's a mismatch of a cover.

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So I was slightly surprised that Bowers
landed there. But yeah, it's a

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coin flip. I think it's just
a phrase. That's what I mean,

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because that's what everybody was saying.
I mean, they're they're freaking out about

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this. They're going, oh my
gosh, the Raiders. You know,

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they're not using a coin flip to
say, Okay, this is how it

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works. Sorry, it's a figure
of speech. CBS Sports came out with

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a recent article and I immediately thought
disrespect. Sometimes I think that word is

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overused in sports, but I immediately
thought disrespect. They ranked the quarterbacks in

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the NFL. Ben. If I
asked you to name the top three quarterbacks

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in the NFL, who would you
say? Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes,

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and probably Josh Allen Good Okay,
I would say Patrick Mahomes one. I'd

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probably say Josh Allen two and Joe
Burrow three. Lamar Jackson, yeah,

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yeah, probably up there. Brock
Perty doesn't get much love, does he

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from people. They think he's a
system quarterback. They think he manages the

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game two years too, OBFC title
games, a super Bowl. I don't

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know what the guy's got to do. Anyway, CBS ranks them this way,

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and you'll understand my point when it
comes to the disrespect in a moment.

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Patrick Mahomes won. Brock Pirty two, Josh Allen three, Joe Burrow

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four, CJ. Stroud five,
Lamar Jackson six. Lamar Jackson wins the

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MVP for the second time in his
career, and he's behind a guy who

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is one year deep into his NFL
career? What Jalen Hurts seven? Dak

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Prescott eight, Justin Herbert nine,
Jordan Love ten. If I'm Justin Herbert,

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If I'm Jalen Hurts, you got
CJ. Stroud ahead of me.

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Doesn't a guy have to prove a
little bit more than one year? Maybe

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not? Where do you think they
rank Jared Goff? Where does Jared Goff

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stand amongst stars quarterbacks in the NFL? They only ranked thirty two. Where

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do you think Jared Goff lies?
Jared Goff is ranked thirteenth? Here's what

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they write. Perhaps no signal caller
has done more to restore respect in recent

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years, rewriting his reputation as a
gutsy figurehead for the Lions return to relevance.

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Now comes another chance to prove himself. Fresh off a bid for a

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Super Bowl appearance that painfully fell short. Now keep in mind. This is

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a guy who's already led one team
to a Super Bowl rams and has turned

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around or helped turn around, because
it's not all him helped turn around a

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failing franchise into an NFC contender.
He's ranked thirteenth. Besides the ten ahead

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of him, Aaron Rodgers to a
tongue of Aloa are ahead of him as

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well. If you don't believe that
he's thirteenth, if you believe he should

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be higher. The reason I bring
up the other names is who should he

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be in front of? And then
it lends this question, is he a

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top ten quarterback? By the way, Matthew Stafford, I'm sure some of

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you are wondering they got him ranked
sixteenth behind Kirk Cousins and Trevor Lawrence.

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Maybe that tells you something about the
poll or the rankings. Let's go to

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the phone lines, the Meyer hotline
eight sixty six eight three, eight forty

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eight forty three. Who do we
got next? Ben? We had David

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Hudsonville, Hi, Dave, how
are you this morning? Good morning?

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Well, chef, how are you
doing? Man? Good good? Thanks

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for the call. You know,
it's an interesting topic because context matters so

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much. Yeah, when you when
you just talked about Stafford and when you

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talk about Cousins, and I think
they're still significantly apart because of Stafford winning

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an md oric seeming winning a super
Bowl, but we got to see him.

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I mean, there's not a tougher
quarterback and a guy who's produced with

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some real challenging situations in Stafford over
the years. And I don't Detroit fans

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have mixed feelings, but man,
I love Stafford as a rider die Lions

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for like, you know, fifty
five years because he gave us everything he

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had. And if you look at
Cousins stats over his career are tremendous,

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you know, but he's got a
story based on the title. He can't

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win in prime time. He doesn't
win in this or that. Well,

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if you put Kirk Cousins with you
know, Shanahan and San Francisco or what

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goes on. So I really do
think it's almost like to me, when

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we think about great Tigers teams and
we don't think about our number one pitcher

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or number two, but a guy
who goes out there like maybe Dan Petrie

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or some of the you know,
not Jack Morris or not Berlander, but

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those guys that are a good fit
and they just do their job, you

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know, And that's I think the
love Purdy gets. But you can't have

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Jordan Love in there. Jordan Low
hasn't done anything, you know, well,

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not of substance. So here's what
I try to weigh. And I

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don't know the answer to this.
Maybe you can help me with it.

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If a guy has been around,
We'll use Lamar Jackson as an example.

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He's been around long enough and he's
won two MVPs. Is he not ahead

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of c J. Stroud. On
the other hand, if you look at

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a guy like Aaron Rodgers, he's
ranked eleventh. A lot of that is

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based on what his past reputation.
Should he deserve to be at eleven because

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he was hurt all of last year
but has a resume that is Hall of

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Fame worthy. You know that you
nailed it right there, because you can

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be prisoner of the moment with CJ. Stroud and you can also say,

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oh my gosh, we have such
great history with Aaron Rodgers. It's somewhere

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in between, you know what I
mean, Because at the end of the

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day, you know CJ. Strout
had a great season, But prove it

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over time, like Rogers has or
like Stafford has or whatever. Joe Burrow

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is that a couple of good,
really good seasons, but at the end

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of the day create a body of
work. You know. It's like in

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Major League Baseball they talk about when
you get somebody who's been playing for seven

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eight years, you pretty much know
their stats and what they're going to be

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hitting the ball. They know that
Darry Sheffield is going to hit this many

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home runs or Miguel's going to do
this or that until they hit that decline

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age. I think it's the same
as true as quarterbacks, but we just

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get too fascinated with quarterbacks one hundred
percent. I mean it's like you wrote

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it and I signed my name to
it. That's perfectly said. Thanks for

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the phone call. Great stuff,
man, I mean dead on there.

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We are so fascinated with quarterbacks,
There's no doubt about that. But there's

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a reason for it. And the
reason is is because they're touching the football

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every single play, and we truly
believe that they are difference maker. It's

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the most goalie. Those two positions
are the most important positions in all of

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sports. Point Guards used to be
really important. Now you've got point forwards,

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you got centers stepping out, hitting
threes not so much right, Sure,

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a starting pitcher is really important,
but there are also as you just

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mentioned, you got that number two
guy, that number three guy who can

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help you in a lot of places, certain rotations. Number four. I

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mean, look at Philadelphia, Look
a look at the Phillies. You take

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Zach Wheeler. Yeah, is he
a one or is he a two?

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Either way, they got a Phillies
got a hell of a one to two

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punch. Aaron Nola, which one
you want to determine is the two?

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In quarterback or in football? You've
got to have the quarterback, have to

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you got to have the trigger.
That's why we're enamored with it. But

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are we living in the moment?
That's so well said. Are we living

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in the moment? The moment?
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