Hello, Welcome. I am Kerrie Ann and this is seventh Sanctum and this
evening I'm being joined by my normal co host, Natalie O. Natalie all
right, so their normal might be a slight paranormal. Yeah, paranormal.
Yeah, I'll go with that one. Hellos based para capital normal our normal
carry host ag with that. And this evening we're being joined by Linda Brooks.
So Linda, Hi, Yeah, Ca and hello Natalie. Hello to
everyone listening as well. Thank you very much for the invite. Looking forward
to chatting to you both about everything paranormal. Thank you so much for joining
us, and that there is so much that I want to talk about.
Firstly, I know we've made movements within the paranormal field compared to ten years
ago was a very mald dominated area. Yeah, field, but we seem
to be that. It's always good. I always love having a good show
with a number of a gaggleed women women. I love that for us.
Yeah, it's it's because I think that. Yeah, it's I mean the
Ghostbusters film, most not the most recent one didn't do much for us.
The woman only cast did not do much for us. All I had a
couple of arguments with my mum about that because obviously, see I remember the
original one, and I was like, it's no idea, it's got to
the original one. I don't care how. I don't know why they missed
the point of it somehow, anyway, that opinion so much that they could
have done with that, and having the women and scientists and they were just
badass, and then it fell so flat, so so flat. Was really
disappointed. But then it was really weird because for a long time I was
like defending it. It was really good terrible. So, Linda, I've
never met you before, tell me a little bit about you and how you've
got into the paranormal and what has led you to this point today. Yeah,
obviously I got into the paranormal more so to do with not so much
the TV shows that everyone obviously the main one that people merely refer to back
in the day which was most haunted. Mine was more a spiritual path.
I've got obviously a very strong connection ability to see spirit. And at the
age of seven, I had my first, very first encounter. I've seeing
a full on, full apparition, and obviously at that age I didn't know
what it was. It was only through talking with my grandmother, who also
could see spirit, that I understood what my gift was and why other people
couldn't see the things that I could see. So that really got me into,
obviously the paranormal side of it, because I was intrigued when I used
to go into different buildings, into castles with my grandmother. She'd take me
around all these places and should say, you know, see what you can
sense, what do you feel? What do you see? An explore your
gift, you know, because we're giving it for a reason, which was
really good that I had that solid foundation to help me explore it rather than
shut it down like most people end up having their parents do that. So
that really got me started, obviously down the paranormal path of wanting to understand
more so about why spirits still lingering buildings, how spirit work in the sense
of they don't have a physical body anymore. So obviously I got really quite
intrigued with that side of things, and obviously with the more I went into
the paranormal side of it. It used to go on to different events with
different companies, and then I started seeing how other people were gifted but weren't
able to explore their gift on events because obviously some of them weren't allowed to
you know, different beliefs and all of that. And when you've got a
lot of people in the events that they were going to, you're talking about
probably thirty forty people in one building, obviously you can't have people saying then
no, all, I'm picking this up seeing this, so what have you?
They just you know, I've seen them shut down so many times and
I thought, it's such a shame because that person is so gifted and they've
come here for that reason. They want to explore it. So when we
decided to set up Roos Paranormal or back in twenty seventeen, I wanted to
be able to allow and facilitate that for people to come in smaller groups,
not have thirty forty rammed into the rafters of the building. You know,
everyone is each to their own. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing.
It depends on what the general people have coming in for. You know,
if they're just coming in for to explore it and just sort of like
you know, have a good night out, perhaps have a giggle about it
and what have you, then that probably would be the event for them,
but we're totally different. You know. We explore people's abilities, We don't
shut them down. We allow them to tell us what it is at seeing,
feeling, sensing, And I think that's the reason why we get so
many people that are repeat guests, who are of very connected and obviously with
them keep coming. The gift is evolving, it's going into a different realm,
and they're finding the more they're coming in and exploring that, the more
they're actually getting from it, as opposed to go into you know, other
events where they're getting very little and yet this they're getting more deeper connection and
they're getting more understanding what spirit it's all about, how spirit work, How
do they set the equipment off, Why is it they show themselves this way
to one person, show themselves a different way to another. All of those
questions that everyone's always got, you know, in their heads, wanting to
know more about that, that we're getting those answers that were understanding that a
little bit more so. It was more than a public event as such,
we were given well we still are giving more two people with regards to that,
you know, and having a good time as well. At the same
time, it's not all serious. We do have fun. We have laughter,
and laughter is great for energy building anyway, but we explore it together,
you know, we investigate the building together. If people are picking up
things, we don't shut them down. We encourage them to go with what
they're feeling. And often it's a case of if it only takes one person
to speak up, and before you know it, people are also getting different
bits of information, but they're fit with the same spirit person that's around the
area that we're investigating. And then when they get the validations, Wow,
that's an amazing moment for all everyone because you know, if you're getting that
as a repeat thing. And obviously with me being a medium myself, I
can definitely tell them whether there is a spirit there or not because I see
them. So if they're saying I'm feeling something, you know, I'm not
sure whether that means there's somebody around me. You know, they've got somebody
to help understand what's happening, what the chain of events are going off in
relation to any activity that we do get, and obviously that helps them with
their understanding, you know, if they're not sure or they're sort of like
trying to debunk it, rationalize it, which we still do as well.
We don't put everything down to be spiritual activity or spirit energy around the building.
We also make sure that we debunk the obvious things first and then we
work on what's left and then try and understand what's going on to form a
bigger picture. And we do it together as a collective group. That sounds
that sounds really gone. Sorry, No, I was just thinking about what
you're saying, Linda, about you know how some groups won't allow mediums and
things. And it's like I had this conversation with a friend the other day
and he was saying, oh, well, you know it's what you believe,
isn't it. And I was like, is it a belief if you
can see it in front of yourself? You know? Yeah, I said,
I don't believe I see it. It's like it doesn't require belief if
you know, you disbelieve somewhere and it still happens to you. Definitely,
absolutely. Yeah. And the thing is that you say with mediums, and
they were saying about on ghosts something, it's like, sometimes you can tell
when the medium's off because, like you say, the coincidences don't stack up,
whereas if you see something somebody feels something, somebody else sees a shadow
at the same time, and the meters go off. Yes, okay.
The corroboration actually helps to build the understanding of what's happening, rather than you're
just going, well, I think something's just happened here, but nobody else
is saying anything. Yes. Yeah. I think it's also good because when
you're getting sort of like that triangulated activity where somebody seeing something, someone sensing
something, the equipment's going off in correlation to it, and there are other
factors that's happening as well that are all, you know, trilating that particular
part of the building with that sort of activity. I think when you're getting
that sort of thing, then you know it's not a case of if,
butts and maybe is. There's something definitely going on. So I means you're
not second guessing anything because it's all coming together. It's all forming that there
is something there, something going off, and every one is getting something from
it. You know, whether it be a case of someone's sensing somemer someone's
feeling that they're having an illness that this person perhaps died of, or people
are seeing things like shadow movements or translucent energy or a ball of energy.
You know, as I say, spirit will choose whichever way people feel comfortable
to show themselves to. You know, people don't want to see some you
know, someone in their death state for instance, which often I do say,
they won't show themselves that to somebody else because they know they're not going
to be comfortable and seeing that. So if they're comfortable in seeing something like
a ball of energy, then they're like, yeah, well we'll showing that
because there'll be more accepting of that than the way that we're going to show
them to that lady perhaps, you know. So it's a case of you
know, energy does transforms. It's a process that they choose which way they
want to show people their energy, and that's you know, that's the bottom
line of it. You know, it's a case of some people are a
lot more open and receiving of whatever it is that spirit used to show,
and then others have just sort of like, you know, don't show me
that, Just show me this, I'll be a feather on the ground or
do me that'll do me fine. I don't want to see a face or
anything like that because they just don't feel comfortable in that they just you know,
know that there's something going off and that's more than enough for them to
want to come back and explore it. But obviously they're still not wanting to
step beyond that, and that's absolutely fine. You know, we don't push
anyone to do anything. Everything is at their own pace, even the ones
who are not open. And we do have quite a lot of skeptics on
the events that we run, and we're open to them coming as well,
because I think it's nice for them to also witness things that are happening that
can't be explained, you know, and that we've had so many of them
walk through our door and walk back out again and they're left scratching the head
at the end of the night because they still can't explain it. And I
mean, we've had one gentleman who had an instance that happened to him very
much a skeptic, and he said at the end of the night, he
says, I still can't debunk that. I don't know what it was,
but I can't debunk it. And were like two or three months down the
line, and he still messages now and again and says, I still can't
get my head around what I saw. I still can't debunk it, and
I think it's fantastic because it's still got him thinking, you know, and
that's really good, you know to us. That's that's something really transformative for
him because you know, he came him in completely not open to anything,
and you know, there's no such thing as afterlife, no such thing as
spirit, all the rest of it. And he's gone out and he's had
an experience. He can't you know, obviously debunk it. He's tried it,
and it was more so to do with him himself than anyone else around
the building at the time, so you know, there were other people that
were with him that didn't experience the same thing as him, and that's why
he can't understand it because he's the only one that saw it, or the
rest of the people didn't see what he saw. And he's like, how
is that? You know, when everyone else was there, why did they
not it? And that's got him obviously got more questions than answers going off
in his mind, which is a good thing. So, yeah, happening
with the paranormal thing is that, like you say, one person can see
a full on person walking across the carriage. He else would be like,
look at the sparrows outside typing. That's what makes it so hard to sort
of prove to people that are skeptical is the individualized nature of it. Really
in a way, it is very strange how it sometimes seems to target individual
people, right, Yeah, definitely. And I think Spirit make a bee
line for the skeptics every single time. It's almost like that person doesn't believe
a thing I'm going to say or what I'm going to show, but I'm
still going to give it my best shot. I just find it comical because
when that happens, you know that there's been a change, because they seem
to change the shift pattern from not believing it's all nonsense to all of a
sudden, I'm thinking that's something. Something is definitely happening in the buildings,
and I can't put my finger on what it is that's happening, but I
know there is something going on. And I just think it's fun when that
happens, because I know that Spirit or wanting to show them something, not
to change their mindset, but to just show them that there is a possibility
that there is something beyond death, you know. So I do think as
well it takes some more to believe than others. Feel someone's got a predisposition
of belief, then they're more likely to see it than someone who is less
likely or a bit more skeptical. I think it's always good to have a
good healthy balance absolute epticism. And I think it's great when people come away
and they kind of not quite sure what they've experienced, but it gives them
food for thought, so they can kind of come away and challenge some of
the thinking habits that they had before. But there is a high correlation between
people that already have a belief system or have a belief than those that don't
are more likely to see it. It's really and also the paranormal journey is
something that is objective. That's what so. I come from a spiritual background
and was once a spiritualist, and it was physical mediumship that got me into
the paranormal realm. And I always felt that part of the reason why I
love the paranormal is because it's so objective, whereas spiritualism, spiritualist mediumship is
very subjective. And I think that is as well a big part of when
people interpret the paranormal around them. It is really subjective to them as well.
Is it the way they interact or the way they kind of make sense
of it. So, but having a big mix of people or having a
group of people that have got different kind of mindsets always good because then you
can always have really healthy debates and conversations. Oh yeah, around it absolutely
entrepren and I love that as well. You know the fact that there are
different people that come in with different religious beliefs, different beliefs about you know,
is there such things as mediums? How do mediums work? And they
want to explore that. And also the fact being like you say, they
just want to know for themselves. They want not always something for everyone else
to see. Sometimes they come because they just want a personal experience themselves,
you know, they want something to validate that. You know, maybe the
grandfather's around or the great uncle Albert's around, you know, they want something
to validate that. And often they come on public events like ourselves on doing
paranormal events. They sometimes come on that to get those answers because they've tried
every other avenue and it's not got them anywhere. So when they do come
on them, they're not usually expecting something to happen, like you know,
for someone to pick up on, perhaps a loved one that's belonged to them,
and when that happens, you know, they get quite emotional because albeit
they didn't expect it, they were hoping that would happen. You know,
they came in with that expectation. You know, I know it's a place
where people can pick up spirit and connect with spirit. Hopefully that connection will
come through, and you know they're just binding it mind blowing because often they'll
say to me afterwards, it's strange how before I came on the event,
I was talking to you know, whoever it was they wanted to come through,
and said, you know, can you meet yourself known at the event,
and I let me know that you are around, You're okay. And
then somebody will randomly say I'm picking up on this gentleman and they'll start describing
him and they're like, I know who that is. I can take that
person, and that person's belonged to me. And I did ask for them
to let me know that they were around. So often, you know,
they do get things like that. You know, a lot of personal connections,
not just to do with the buildings, but that as well. But
when they do get the connections from the buildings themselves. There's been quite a
few wow moments, as you can imagine when you're going into buildings that I've
got centuries of history, and then you're getting spirit that are going back to
sort of like the thirteenth and twelfth century coming forward and showing themselves what they
actually look like, whether it be in full armor or clothing that's related to
that time period and such forth, and people just, you know, they're
just mind blowing by it. You know the fact that spirit, even though
it's a long long time ago, can still manifest and show themselves in a
way that they remember how they were addressed back in that time period. So,
yeah, consciousness is a very powerful thing. I agree. And they
say that you said earlier about energy. Energy just transforms that that's science.
Them's is science and energy does not die. It just transforms one form to
another. And essentially that's well when we're talking about how energy manifests is menifests
differently dependent on the person that they're working with. Is just an example of
that. Right when we talk about so you said about doing you do pablic
events, there is I say, it's funny, it's not really But these
are the conversations I've had today actually about places I would love to go and
never have been in the UK. So is there somewhere that you've been that
you absolutely would love to go back to, or if you have had an
opportunity to go somewhere that's been quite private and you've had some great experiences there,
I think, Oh, I've been to so many places as well.
Where do you start on that? One? Probably the most favorite building I've
been into is the Robin Hord Experience in Nottingham. The reason why it's favorite
of mine investigated that building for six and a half years straight, so you
can imagine the information and connections I was getting through from that particular building.
But they weren't just related to that building. They were related to around the
site, the site itself, the land, the people back in different time
periods that were coming through and obviously connecting with me, giving me visuals of
what was going on in that time period, what the buildings look like,
what the outside of the building looked like, hearing the people how they used
to talk, describing obviously what they used to do for occupation back in the
time as well. So I got quite a lot from this particular building,
so it's always been one of my favorites to go to. And I also
had a gentleman that came and connected many times, you know, right from
day doc right all the way through the same person and others people who've gone
into the building and investigate it have also come across him as well, and
you know, it's shared a lot of insight about how dimensions work. Because
he was upstairs in the building, He's got a particular I won't say it
for the benefit of anyone who wants to go investigate, but there is a
particular room upstairs that he tends to always being and when he's in there,
he doesn't see the room the way it is today. He sees it back
as it was in his time period. He described to me where the window
was. He described him with what he's seen out that window, even though
there is no window in that building. It's all boarded up so you can't
see out at all. But he would describe things certain detail to me.
He'd show me a picture of not in castle, what it would look like
back in that time period, and exactly the way he described it. I
actually did some research. I said, well, I will check it out
because I don't always believe what spirits helmer. I'll say, if you're lying
to me, I will know, and I will go and check it out
to make sure you're giving me some actual facts, because that's the way I
work. And I actually looked up and seen a picture of that time period
and what not in castle looked like, and it looked exactly the way he
described it, and I was like, wow, okay, now we're talking,
you know, giving me information that can be validated. So then he
would tell me about obviously his life, his family that were there living with
him. He'd also described to me that he had two horses that were downstairs
in the stable park, and the downstairs is now a gift shop, so
obviously he'd go down and around the building. You know, he'd walk around
and see what was going off in each of the rooms and everything. But
what At some points he actually used to walk downstairs into the gift shop and
once he came down with me, and I so to him, I'd love
for you to walk down with me and see what you look at when you
look out that window. What do you say? Describe it to me?
Because I'd be quite interested to find out and he says, well, I
see your time period. I see the vehicles, what what are those things?
What are those things on? These things that move on what looked,
you know, looks like a road. You know, he was baffled by
it because obviously it's something you know, going back to the fourteenth century that
you would not see obviously, And you know, he was just baffled and
perplexed by it. The fact that when he came down to a certain level,
he's seen it through our eyes what our world looks like today, and
yet when he go up to the upper level, that was his world he
saw, you know. So he was darting between fourteenth century and twenty twenty
two, twenty three, you know, that sort of time period. So
it's like, how does that work? I was really intrigued to find out
how, you know, is that just his perception? How does he see
that? You know? And he said, the only way I can describe
it is I'm seeing it through your eyes yourself. It's says, because obviously
in my eyes I can see my time period. I can also see where
I am now if I want to go to that level where you know,
our plane is and where was meant to be and where we're meant to be
with our loved ones. But it says, I'm seeing the time period now
through your eyes, not mine, and he says that's why I'm able to
see it. And I'm like, that's a really bizarre you know, answered
that I didn't expect to get from him, but I thought how intriguing at
the same time, and you know, obviously I've explored so many different buildings,
and that was the first time I actually had a spirit person say to
me, well, I'm seeing things through your eyes and not my own.
And I thought, how weird. But yeah, it was a concept that
hadn't come across and I thought it was quite interesting how they can see things
like that. And I thought, well, actually, it does make sense
because when you think about other people who have had, you know, babies,
and the loved ones have gone passed away, and then when they go
to mediums like myself, when they're getting readings and the same way, How
is it my great grandfather who's never obviously been here when this child was brought
into the world, but yet he knows exactly everything about him. How is
that possible? And I'm like, well, obviously, you know they're there
there, and they're seeing it through your eyes. They're not seeing it through
their own, and that's how they make that association. It's like when I
had a I'm a stickler for experimenting with spirits. You probably could tell I
will push certain things and ask certain things that all the people perhaps wouldn't even
think to ask. But I do love asking questions because I think, how
else are we going to learn? You know, we're not going to learn
through thinking about it. You need to get it from the horse's math,
so to speak. And the only way you get that through is communicating with
spirit. But I asked them, you know, about looking at clocks and
things and asking them what time is it? You know, simple things like
that. This was during COVID, when they used to come in and talk
to me in my own home because obviously everywhere was in lockdown. I said
to him, I don't mind communicating with you and talking to you, but
would you help me out, you know, and explored and tell me a
little bit about what you're seeing, you know, in my space in my
room. You know, do you see the clock? And if so,
can you tell me what the time is? And they're like, yeah,
we can tell you the time, and they did tell me the time,
and I'm like, well, how do you know what that time is?
How do you see the clock? And they're like, we again, we're
seeing it through your eyes and we haven't got eyes to see, so we're
using your visual to be able to see it. And I'm like, I
got that repetitiveness after, you know, speaking with that particular gentleman who set
that ball rolling, I thought, well, that was really fascinating because now
it makes sense when people who have passed who don't see the loved ones,
you know, having children and seeing them grow up, and they're saying,
well, how is it they know so much about them? Well, obviously
they do, because again they're seeing them through the loved one's eyes, so
you know, that's why they know so much. And I thought it's all
making a bit of sense now, you know, because before and I was
just so perplexed by it. Yeah, it's fascinating stuff, it really is.
I don't know how to watch that actually, I was just trying to
think of the mechanics of it. Yeah, it's like blowing, isn't it.
The principle the consciousness isn't limited to the body. I suppose they could
potentially access some part of you that's you know, I don't know, because
like your brain gives off an electro magnetic field of source, isn't it.
So it's like, you know, they just sort of tap into that and
get the visuals. Yeah, it's a similar way to the way telepathy is
would be, I guess, yeah, absolutely. And obviously they're connecting through
our conscious when they're connecting with us and talking to us, because that's the
only way they can do it. So albeit they can voice their own voice,
you know, it just takes them to understand how to do it.
The process is all different for each one of them. Some of them are
able to make more noise than they can do visuals or you know, audible
with their own voice. Some of them just can just do tapping, you
know, and that's the only way they can communicate. But then once they
understand the you know, the process of how to actually vocalize. Even though
some people here and growling and making them sort of noises and think, oh
god, we've got a demon in the plaze, it's sometimes not the case.
It's actually a spirit trying to use the voice because they're not you know,
if they're not use their voice for a very, very long time,
and you're trying to get them to concentrate enough with their consciousness to be able
to remember what their voice sounded like, to be able to amplify that out
into the atmosphere for us to hear it. Then obviously it's like clearing your
throat, isn't it, you know, at the end of the day.
And I just think sometimes there's so much misperception about what people are hearing,
you know, and they're just thinking the obvious, it's something demonic. Naturally,
it's not always the case at all. I mean, I've been doing
paranormal investigating and connected with spirit for years and I haven't come across anything that
our class is demonic. So you know, I've yet to come across That
is an interesting thought, though, that they're clearing their h because through Yeah,
to be fair, it's like if you've been living down in the cellar
for a bit and then someone comes along to talk to you and you're like,
yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly that that's true. And I mean,
you know, if you've got to think about it, also, from
the point of view, you've not actually had a physical body perhaps for twenty
thirteen plus years or centuries, depending on the place that you're going into,
and then all of a sudden you're tapping into them and you're almost waking them
up in the sense of, oh, you know, somebody here that can
connect with me. How do I be able to you know, let all
the people know who can't connect. How do I make the noises for them
to realize that I am actually here? And it's like a working process,
you know. It's almost like I feel like I'm teaching them to understand from
our side as well as obviously from the other side, how to bridge that
gap, how to understand that that can do certain things without even the physical
body. It's just knowing how to tap into that and to hone in on
it. You know. It's like moving things like around the building and things.
You know, it's all about minds over matter. You know, if
you're consciously focusing on something, you know they do have within the ability within
them to be able to move someone, manifest something you know, or even
try and manifest themselves. It just takes an understanding of them to do it
without thinking I haven't got a physical It's almost like when they go to pick
a glass up you see them like this, you know the ghost film where
you see them trying to push their hands through glass and it's just not working,
and it's like they're thinking, why can't I pick the glass up?
Well, they help, the haven't got a body to pick it up with,
so you're almost having to say to them, you have to focus with
your conscious mind to be able to make that glass move. But at the
same time, you've got to use the energy of people around you to be
able to do it as well, because obviously they won't be able to always
do it on their own because every one of them are at different energy levels,
so some of them are quite low energy, so they can't do as
much as what somebody with a high energy can do. And also if they're
sort of like got used to doing certain things like throwing pebbles and things like
that, or you know, making a shadow appear of themselves, then obviously
you know they've got abilities beyond what the person has that's got very low density
energy. So therefore then they're able to do more. But they're only being
able to do that because people like myself helping them to understand how to do
it, is given them the floor space to do it almost you know,
and then with people coming into the building with all the energy, it really
helps amplify it for them. So yeah, it's really interesting. Have you
ever been into a building that I know you said you haven't come across anything
sort of the money, but have you ever been into building that you really
don't want to go back into? It's not been a bit wildness such believe
it or not. It's actually been a cave. And that was at the
robin Hood Cave, which is within the confines of the Rock Cemetery in Nottingham.
I actually come across something that would people would perceive as demonic because of
the way it showed itself, and it did actually attack me on a psychic
level. It took me best part of a week to recover from it,
and to me it was it was it was a case of me not understanding
what it was that I was being presented with. But when I actually got
into the back end of the cave, I seen that people had been bringing
offerings to the cave and straight away I thought, I know what that thing
is. Now. It's like a guardian of the land, you know,
it's there to guard the sacred area that it is, and that's without the
cemetery being there. It's just purely based on the land. I mean,
that thing been there long before the cemetery was even used, you know,
and of course it was more of a stronger elemental than anything. And of
course as soon as it realized I was going in on its space with no
offering, of course, straight away it came for me. So you know,
I wasn't the only one that was physically being you know, psychically attacked.
You know, there were all the people that were feeling as if someone
was ripping their stomach to bits. Some of them had got markings on the
skin. And we straight away said, look, we need to leave because
obviously this thing thinks we're obviously trespassing, which we are. But the factor
is we've not brought anything to appease it. So you know, it thinks,
right, you know, get out my space, and naturally that's what
it did, so it goes out there pretty quick. But that was only
because of the fact that, you know, the way it was coming at
us, because obviously we hadn't brought anything for it. If we'd have brought
the would have had a different experience altogether, but it didn't frighten me no
way, shape or form. All the guests that were with me at the
time, they just found it. Like, you know, we felt guilty
for the fact we didn't know. And it was only when we were coming
out of the actual cave and walking back up to where our base room was
for the night that one of the staff members says, oh, yeah,
a lot of people come here during the daytime. I've got to tell you
and bring offerings. And I'm like, you could have told me that before.
At least we understood what was happening and why it was happening, and
what the thing was that we were seeing as well. But you know,
it didn't put me off by no means I would go back again, but
I would go back in with the mindset of bringing something first before entering,
rather than just entering into someone's face. And naturally it was on defense mode
because you know, it was God in the land. So these things happened,
you know, you learn from them, and that's the way it is,
isn't it. We're all learning all about this paranormal side of it and
the spiritual side of it as well. So yeah, but it wouldn't put
me off. It wasn't scary enough to put me off. And I haven't
come across anything that would say, you know, I wouldn't go in there
ever again either. You know, it takes a lot to scam it.
Really. Most people are running at the other direction and they've seen things that
I see, and I'm like, hold on, we're we going. That's
why we're here. We're here to find out more. That's why we're here,
so don't run. I have to admit that's what I would probably do.
You'd be surprised at how many people do I turn around and most of
the time I'm on my own, and I'm like, that's fine, I
don't mind. The day about doing an investigation in woods in the dark,
and I was like, oh, you'd get if we did the live would
be like me running into trees, falling over that was a squirrel. Oh.
I had a really scary experience that we were out in an investigation in
the woods. And it wasn't the paranormal that scared me, but we were
in the woods and we were doing it. Particularly we're doing an investigation.
We was really aware that there was a tent. So someone staying in the
woods in this tent so I was really aware of this other person. They
probably were worried. There was ten of us, so we had big cameras
and all sorts, so I was really aware of my surroundings. And also
I heard this rustling sound and I looked and I could just see a little
white towel and I think I was just a rabbit. It wasn't just a
rabbit. It was a badger and it flew at me. And I've never
been so scared of my life. So I think being hypervigilant, being on
paranormal investigations, it's not always just the ghosts or the things that we don't
can't you know, don't understand that breaks us out. There is a lot
of other things going on that that has the ability to put the spooks in
you or another you know, going out of the wisdom of scuits. All
well and good, until you have to walk up some hills. That's that's
interesting. I've got to walk up that steep bit we're tupry Castle is on
Saturday. Are going to bring me the oxygen tank? Yes, yeah,
it's STEEPI and I hope that we don't get the winds that we had when
we were at Dudley Castle on Saturday. All the winds on the keep were
absolutely horrendous. We couldn't you go up there with guess you just get blown
away. It was just awful. But it's such a shame because we were
really hoping to do that and investigate that part of the building. But it
wasn't meant to be unfortunately due to the severe wind that we had. It
was just too treacherous. And then it lashed it down with rain as well,
so proper stormy whether we had Saturday, but it added to the atmosphere
again. It's that give us the willies. Oh yes, I've never been
to top where it hasn't been windy. That's to the people that used to
live there before. You know, like when it was first built and you're
thinking it's freezing here and in the summer. They made it in the winter
with like they've got no es, central heating or anything, and it's just
like and you know, even the clothing and that, you think, how
nurse did they do it? It's it's to try and keep themselves warm.
I'm sure it's the only way they did do Back then. In that time
period, life expectancy wasn't very long either, so it probably didn't survive.
Haven't that bones? That was it? It's like it's too cold. Yeah.
Yeah, so you've got an investigation going on this weekend. Tell us
a little bit about that. Yeah, we're at Tubby Castle. Obviously we've
been there many times before, but it's just a fantastic site when you think
about the history of it. Obviously the people that went through the castle doors
themselves, people that stayed there. You know, the place is just rife
with history. And we always say we're there's history, there's always bound to
be ghosts or spirit you know, because more often than not, these are
the sort of buildings that you tend to find them in and obviously, you
know, some of them just aren't at rest. Some of them, you
know, still stick around the place, and we love finding out, well,
if that's the case, why are the they you know, what keeps
them there? So, yeah, it's a fantastic place to investigate. We're
all really really excited to go. And obviously, you know, it's such
a shame that the wonderful create I can't even say the words person who's looking
after the cattle. I make it that way because I can't get I can't
give anywhere that tide. And the lady there, Leslie Smith, who has
obviously been there for a long long time, sadly is retiring, so you
know, it's it's such a shame that, you know, the castle will
be changing hands shortly, so maybe you know, the paranormal side of it
won't be going on for forever. It might end up coming to a very
shortcoming, come to July when it changes hands, you know, somebody else
takes over the reins, which will be sad, you know, because obviously,
you know, it's been in the paranormal field for a long long time,
and obviously everyone loves to investigate there because of the history. But obviously,
you know, if the other people that take it on don't want that,
then that's it. You know, we have to respect that. But
I think a lot of people are probably appreciating it more so now that they
know it's not going to be open forever for people to investigate. But you
know, the experiences people have had their just the staff alone is just you
know, phenomenal. And obviously my other co founder, a partner in crime
is son Jordan, who's had a few experiences there as well himself, and
some have left her definitely a profound effect on him after it as well,
because he actually had almost like a time slip, so he actually seen the
castle back in a time period where obviously there was a back of going on
in the grounds. He's seen the soldiers seeing them, you know, killing
people. He's seen different buildings that are no longer there but used to be
there, little individual buildings around the actual site. And obviously that's all been
validated from Leslie Smith herself, who when he explained it to her what he
saw, she was quite surprised and she went, wow, well, that's
the second person that I know has actually had exactly the same experience. And
the other person was a young lad and he had exactly the same experience.
He describes seeing exactly the same things. Albeit that was quite a few years
prior to Jordan having that experience. But she said, it's really interesting how
you know no one else has had it and why did it? Was?
It was it just two people that actually experienced that, you know, a
younger child and obviously an adult. You know, why is it that there
was such a big gap between the two experiences. You know, you couldn't
put it down to imagination or anything like that, because obviously Jordan didn't know
this young lad, and the young lad obviously doesn't know Jordan, and obviously,
you know, no one else had experienced it. So it's an interesting
factor really and something again, you know, that's left her very perplexed in
regards of, you know, how has that experience happened? What is it
something with in the atmosphere? Is it the weather that's contributed it to them
having that experience? What triggered it? You know, that was the interesting
thing that she's finding to explore, you know, why these things happen,
you know, and why is it just you know, an individual that's had
it when there's been other people there on the same day, on that same
night and not experienced anything like that, you know, So it's really interesting.
I suppose one could argue, if you believe in past life stuff,
maybe thinking there before that's very true. And again on a separate occasion,
when we went to Tulbury Castle, again Jordan had an experience and we were
on a private this time or a private investigation, and he had experienced something
in the King's bedroom and again that left him, you know, profoundly affected,
even to this day. He still recalls it because it was so so
vivid the information he was getting and he was shown and obviously we do think
that was part of a past life that he had actually had a snippet of
and the gentleman he was with at the same time also had a connection with
him and also saw exactly the same thing, so you know that both of
them were connected in some way, and there it was, you know,
we believe they were either in the past lives there were something to do with
the Knights template or they were Knights templars, We're not sure, but they
were actually seeing themselves in different obviously different dress but or described it as similar
to Knight's templar outfit that they used to wear back in the time, and
also the fact being that their face was different, but somehow they knew it
was them. So again, could be past live progression there that we're going
off. Something triggered it for that past life to be shown to them in
some way. But yeah, so it'll be interesting go back on Saturday,
whether anything else comes forward, you know, and whether he has any other
experiences, because that's twice in two separate investigations where he's had two separate things
that have come forward, you know, one to do with himself and one
showing him what the building used to look like. So whether they're to do
with the same thing or not, it would be interesting to find out.
Yeah, I'm a big believer in past life. I think everyone's had a
past life, so's to regenerate somewhere, don't they, So they've got to
go somewhere. Horses, It's like we'd get some horses, like there were
foles, and it was like we didn't have to teach him anything. It's
like they already knew it. Yeah, and you can't explain it to people.
It's like, but you know, we used to have like twenty twenty
five foles each year, and some of them just knew what to do and
they were like really about everything, and everyone's like, right, it's just
temperament. I was like, no, these particular ones, it wasn't all.
You know, you'd get the odd one every now and then and you're
like, they know what they're doing already, and it's past. And that's
what made me think about because it's like, you know, you think,
well, actually, you know, it does kind of make sense really in
a weird especially like your energy thing, like the recycling of energy. I
mean, if you like being around, there's no reason why you can't recycle
yourself back. But I'd imagine at some point in time it's going to get
quite overcrowded somewhere over there. So it's going to go somewhere, isn't it.
You know, So where would you be placed except back into you know,
a different physical vessel, you know. But again, your or your
past lives are probably stored at the back, but at some point in time
something triggers them to bring them to the forefront of your mind. And that's
when people tend to realize that they've had a other a Dajavoo moment where they
feel like they've lived there or they've been there before, but can't place ever
been there themselves, you know, in this time period. But yeah,
it's an interesting subject, it is. It is. I was having this
conversation with my well this exact conversation, but this conversation around this with my
youngest who's a teenager, just randomly, so they've got a bath birthmark,
sugges I have got a birthmark, and he was like, well, I
haven't, so I've only lived one life I was like, hmmm, tell
me more about this. It's not it's not an unfamiliar concept, is that
your birthmarks are they're a sign of what's happened in your previous life and mark
from previous life. But yeah, he hasn't got any series convinced. This
is his first ever. I was like, lucky you. Lucky for you,
because I've been here before. And when they said to me, what
level do you want to go at this time, I said expert. Yeah,
I have regrets, regret I chose the expert level. Clearly I got
a bit a bit ahead of myself. So yeah, so what's your thoughts
around that and birthmarks and you know, signs of past live But what are
your thoughts? Yeah? I do think there's definitely something in that, because
you know, when you've you've heard, you know, documentaries of people obviously
going through a past life regression, and especially when some of them are going
back to the Civil War and things like that and they remember, you know,
really vivid detail of being on the battlefield, the rifles that they used,
what they're you know, were ranked was details are only the person living
that would know. And then they're coming out with all that information thinking,
wow, well, where's that information coming from? You know, can't have
dreamt it up if they're somebody in a sort of like you know, early
teens or in the twenties, and you're going back to a civil war.
You know, obviously that civil war happened long before they were even a twinkle
in the mom's eye or the dad's eye whatever. But you know, obviously
you can find certain things out, yes, from reference books and things,
but certain detail like you know, rank numbers and you know, really vivid
detail that you wouldn't find in textbooks, and they're coming out with that,
Well, that's a whole different matter. Where did that information come from?
That? What that part intrigues me more. It's the information that they can
retrieve that isn't public knowledge. Then you think, well, whereas that if
that's come from them, obviously it's got to have come from something that's deep
within the consciousness that's been unlocked, which means obviously that the way that they're
describing things if they were actually there but not obviously in this life, in
previous life. And then when you get them saying well, you know,
I had a gunshot to the chest or you know, had something happened to
my back. And then you look and you see where the wound entry point,
for instance, would be with like a musket or something. And then
you look and you see that there's actually a marking where that site would be
where they're saying that musket went through in a past life, And you think,
wow, that's intriguing. You know that that marks in that particular area
as well. You know it could be anywhere on the body. Why is
it in that particular area. So again, you know, it does make
it a bit more interesting when you're looking at past lives because there's so many
things that you think, yes, you know, you can debunk certain things
and say, oh, well, you know, it's all in your mind.
It's what you're reading and what you're seeing, and it's giving you those
things to make it look like you've had a past life. You just regressing
things that you've seen, you know, throughout your own lifetime, not through
a past life. But then when you're going on a deeper level and then
you're retrieving information that you know it's not something you can find anywhere. That's
what I think makes it more compelling. Yeah, there is so many stories,
isn't it? And from atrocities, and I have a really big fear
of being in dentists. And when I did a little bit of aggression,
there was a there was talk of about there was a form of punishment that
had my teeth pulled in a past life, and that's why I had this
really big phobia of dentists and stuff. So, I mean, it's all
interesting. I keep a very open mind, but it is. It is
all interesting. So I think we are coming to the end of our show
that has gone so quickly, very quickly. Could you just an overhaul of
where everyone can find you your socials or and if they're interested in come along
and learning more about their developing medium share from being able to apply that into
the paranormal world as well. Yeah, could they find you? You can
find us on face book It's Brooks Paranormal. That's odd low Ks Paranormal.
We are on TikTok, We're on X. I was gonna say Twitter,
but it's now X, isn't it. We're on Instagram and obviously all our
events are on our website which is www dot Brooks Paranormal dot co dot uk
or the events that we have book coming now or live on the website for
you to look at and explore. We also do not just the ghost hunts.
We do overnight stays in different locations so you get again the most out
of your night. We do also ghost walks, we do Victorian salance nights.
So there's a hope lethora of different things for different people who are into
different things to do with the paranormal, whether it be you know, a
ghost hunt or just a salance night. We've got plenty of different things to
choose from. Perfect and do you cover What part of the UK do you
cover? Do you come down south? Do you step not? We mainly
stay around the Midlands, but we have gone out towards Northamptonshire, Peter Brush,
you know that's Cambridge. All different areas that we're starting to explore out
now, so you know they're all there on the website. If you want
to look at the map, we've got matgrid that told you exactly where the
areas are that we actually investigate and also the locations that we investigate in that
area as well, so they're all easy to be able to access on the
website. So hopefully there'll be something for everyone there to have a look at.
Absolutely I'm really interested in the Victorian seances. Oh the brilliant I love
them. And you can't be going back to traditional methods, you know,
and not using all the flashy gadgets. I just think it gets so much
out of it from your own personal perspective. And I think equally, you
know, do get a lot out of it as well, because it's again
a more personalized spirits not just for the person, but also for the spirits
of the buildings, so you know, it works both ways. One piece
of equipment I haven't used, and I would love to, but it's linked
to the Victorian methods, but the spirit hole. I've never used the spirit
home before now and something I would love to try. Definitely, it'd be
an interesting thing to explore with. And I think there's so many different things
now that you know, people are finding to explore, you know, not
just about you know, the updated itc apps and all the IT gadgets that
you can find out there for getting into using in the paranormal field, but
there are just the simplest things that people can now use, and it's sometimes
the simplest things that you get the most out of it as well. So
you know, I always say, explore with everything. There's nothing off limits
when it comes to the paranormal. You know, sometimes it only just takes
something in a cardboard box, you know, and a simple thing on top
of it, k too, just to see if anything goes around it,
and then just use your voice recorded to see if any communications caught when you're
asking the questions what's in the box? Tell us what's there and see if
you get a reply. You know, it's just simple things to explore with
that you know, don't cost a lot of money. But they also can
give you some answers as to whether there is anything there and a fundable experiment
as well. I mean that's the best thing. Definitely. I think we
get a bit creative with what we've got. We're able to It's about having
not about having proved, but if you are going to get evidence, it's
about getting evidence that you want to be able to go. Well, I
can't explain this, yeah, definitely, yeah, Well, thank you so
much, Thank you so much. Before we end, I just want to
mention that Seventh Sanctum has a Instagram. Now we are up and running over
on Instagram. You can find us at Seventh Sanctum Podcast. I think it's
an investigations. I think it's a little bit longer one. But we're over
there now, so go and give us a little follow if that's what you
want to do. If you follow that, that'd be great. But thank
you so much, Linda, thank you for joining us. I'm going to
say good night to everyone. Oh goodbye, good morning whenever you listen,