1 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:31,320 Hello, Welcome. I am Kerrie Ann and this is seventh Sanctum and this 2 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:36,719 evening I'm being joined by my normal co host, Natalie O. Natalie all 3 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:45,679 right, so their normal might be a slight paranormal. Yeah, paranormal. 4 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:51,600 Yeah, I'll go with that one. Hellos based para capital normal our normal 5 00:00:51,679 --> 00:00:57,560 carry host ag with that. And this evening we're being joined by Linda Brooks. 6 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,119 So Linda, Hi, Yeah, Ca and hello Natalie. Hello to 7 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,000 everyone listening as well. Thank you very much for the invite. Looking forward 8 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,519 to chatting to you both about everything paranormal. Thank you so much for joining 9 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:14,239 us, and that there is so much that I want to talk about. 10 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:19,879 Firstly, I know we've made movements within the paranormal field compared to ten years 11 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:29,480 ago was a very mald dominated area. Yeah, field, but we seem 12 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,159 to be that. It's always good. I always love having a good show 13 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,920 with a number of a gaggleed women women. I love that for us. 14 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Yeah, it's it's because I think that. Yeah, it's I mean the 15 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:49,719 Ghostbusters film, most not the most recent one didn't do much for us. 16 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:57,480 The woman only cast did not do much for us. All I had a 17 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,719 couple of arguments with my mum about that because obviously, see I remember the 18 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,319 original one, and I was like, it's no idea, it's got to 19 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:12,879 the original one. I don't care how. I don't know why they missed 20 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:20,000 the point of it somehow, anyway, that opinion so much that they could 21 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,520 have done with that, and having the women and scientists and they were just 22 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:29,680 badass, and then it fell so flat, so so flat. Was really 23 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,919 disappointed. But then it was really weird because for a long time I was 24 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:44,680 like defending it. It was really good terrible. So, Linda, I've 25 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:47,439 never met you before, tell me a little bit about you and how you've 26 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:53,439 got into the paranormal and what has led you to this point today. Yeah, 27 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:59,719 obviously I got into the paranormal more so to do with not so much 28 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:05,080 the TV shows that everyone obviously the main one that people merely refer to back 29 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,120 in the day which was most haunted. Mine was more a spiritual path. 30 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,520 I've got obviously a very strong connection ability to see spirit. And at the 31 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,800 age of seven, I had my first, very first encounter. I've seeing 32 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,400 a full on, full apparition, and obviously at that age I didn't know 33 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,960 what it was. It was only through talking with my grandmother, who also 34 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,599 could see spirit, that I understood what my gift was and why other people 35 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:38,159 couldn't see the things that I could see. So that really got me into, 36 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:42,599 obviously the paranormal side of it, because I was intrigued when I used 37 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:46,240 to go into different buildings, into castles with my grandmother. She'd take me 38 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,680 around all these places and should say, you know, see what you can 39 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:53,080 sense, what do you feel? What do you see? An explore your 40 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,560 gift, you know, because we're giving it for a reason, which was 41 00:03:55,599 --> 00:04:00,840 really good that I had that solid foundation to help me explore it rather than 42 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,360 shut it down like most people end up having their parents do that. So 43 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:12,199 that really got me started, obviously down the paranormal path of wanting to understand 44 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:18,560 more so about why spirits still lingering buildings, how spirit work in the sense 45 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,360 of they don't have a physical body anymore. So obviously I got really quite 46 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:29,240 intrigued with that side of things, and obviously with the more I went into 47 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,279 the paranormal side of it. It used to go on to different events with 48 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:38,360 different companies, and then I started seeing how other people were gifted but weren't 49 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:42,680 able to explore their gift on events because obviously some of them weren't allowed to 50 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,759 you know, different beliefs and all of that. And when you've got a 51 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:50,600 lot of people in the events that they were going to, you're talking about 52 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:58,279 probably thirty forty people in one building, obviously you can't have people saying then 53 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,600 no, all, I'm picking this up seeing this, so what have you? 54 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,480 They just you know, I've seen them shut down so many times and 55 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:08,639 I thought, it's such a shame because that person is so gifted and they've 56 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:12,800 come here for that reason. They want to explore it. So when we 57 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:17,360 decided to set up Roos Paranormal or back in twenty seventeen, I wanted to 58 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:21,839 be able to allow and facilitate that for people to come in smaller groups, 59 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,600 not have thirty forty rammed into the rafters of the building. You know, 60 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,120 everyone is each to their own. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing. 61 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:33,839 It depends on what the general people have coming in for. You know, 62 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,120 if they're just coming in for to explore it and just sort of like 63 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:42,079 you know, have a good night out, perhaps have a giggle about it 64 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,439 and what have you, then that probably would be the event for them, 65 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:48,639 but we're totally different. You know. We explore people's abilities, We don't 66 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:53,600 shut them down. We allow them to tell us what it is at seeing, 67 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,839 feeling, sensing, And I think that's the reason why we get so 68 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,600 many people that are repeat guests, who are of very connected and obviously with 69 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,519 them keep coming. The gift is evolving, it's going into a different realm, 70 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,000 and they're finding the more they're coming in and exploring that, the more 71 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,360 they're actually getting from it, as opposed to go into you know, other 72 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:20,160 events where they're getting very little and yet this they're getting more deeper connection and 73 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:25,519 they're getting more understanding what spirit it's all about, how spirit work, How 74 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:28,680 do they set the equipment off, Why is it they show themselves this way 75 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,079 to one person, show themselves a different way to another. All of those 76 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,920 questions that everyone's always got, you know, in their heads, wanting to 77 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,759 know more about that, that we're getting those answers that were understanding that a 78 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:44,360 little bit more so. It was more than a public event as such, 79 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:48,240 we were given well we still are giving more two people with regards to that, 80 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:51,279 you know, and having a good time as well. At the same 81 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:55,720 time, it's not all serious. We do have fun. We have laughter, 82 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,639 and laughter is great for energy building anyway, but we explore it together, 83 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:04,160 you know, we investigate the building together. If people are picking up 84 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:08,360 things, we don't shut them down. We encourage them to go with what 85 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:11,360 they're feeling. And often it's a case of if it only takes one person 86 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:14,920 to speak up, and before you know it, people are also getting different 87 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,199 bits of information, but they're fit with the same spirit person that's around the 88 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,720 area that we're investigating. And then when they get the validations, Wow, 89 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,680 that's an amazing moment for all everyone because you know, if you're getting that 90 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,519 as a repeat thing. And obviously with me being a medium myself, I 91 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,360 can definitely tell them whether there is a spirit there or not because I see 92 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,720 them. So if they're saying I'm feeling something, you know, I'm not 93 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:43,560 sure whether that means there's somebody around me. You know, they've got somebody 94 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,319 to help understand what's happening, what the chain of events are going off in 95 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,920 relation to any activity that we do get, and obviously that helps them with 96 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,759 their understanding, you know, if they're not sure or they're sort of like 97 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,879 trying to debunk it, rationalize it, which we still do as well. 98 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,800 We don't put everything down to be spiritual activity or spirit energy around the building. 99 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:07,560 We also make sure that we debunk the obvious things first and then we 100 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,120 work on what's left and then try and understand what's going on to form a 101 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:20,480 bigger picture. And we do it together as a collective group. That sounds 102 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,439 that sounds really gone. Sorry, No, I was just thinking about what 103 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,759 you're saying, Linda, about you know how some groups won't allow mediums and 104 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,200 things. And it's like I had this conversation with a friend the other day 105 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,279 and he was saying, oh, well, you know it's what you believe, 106 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,720 isn't it. And I was like, is it a belief if you 107 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,200 can see it in front of yourself? You know? Yeah, I said, 108 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,799 I don't believe I see it. It's like it doesn't require belief if 109 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:54,519 you know, you disbelieve somewhere and it still happens to you. Definitely, 110 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,399 absolutely. Yeah. And the thing is that you say with mediums, and 111 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,440 they were saying about on ghosts something, it's like, sometimes you can tell 112 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,840 when the medium's off because, like you say, the coincidences don't stack up, 113 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:11,360 whereas if you see something somebody feels something, somebody else sees a shadow 114 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,759 at the same time, and the meters go off. Yes, okay. 115 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:18,600 The corroboration actually helps to build the understanding of what's happening, rather than you're 116 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,519 just going, well, I think something's just happened here, but nobody else 117 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,840 is saying anything. Yes. Yeah. I think it's also good because when 118 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:31,720 you're getting sort of like that triangulated activity where somebody seeing something, someone sensing 119 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,440 something, the equipment's going off in correlation to it, and there are other 120 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:41,440 factors that's happening as well that are all, you know, trilating that particular 121 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,440 part of the building with that sort of activity. I think when you're getting 122 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,240 that sort of thing, then you know it's not a case of if, 123 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,279 butts and maybe is. There's something definitely going on. So I means you're 124 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,159 not second guessing anything because it's all coming together. It's all forming that there 125 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,559 is something there, something going off, and every one is getting something from 126 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,919 it. You know, whether it be a case of someone's sensing somemer someone's 127 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,519 feeling that they're having an illness that this person perhaps died of, or people 128 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:15,919 are seeing things like shadow movements or translucent energy or a ball of energy. 129 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,360 You know, as I say, spirit will choose whichever way people feel comfortable 130 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:24,759 to show themselves to. You know, people don't want to see some you 131 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:26,879 know, someone in their death state for instance, which often I do say, 132 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,799 they won't show themselves that to somebody else because they know they're not going 133 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,320 to be comfortable and seeing that. So if they're comfortable in seeing something like 134 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,320 a ball of energy, then they're like, yeah, well we'll showing that 135 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,720 because there'll be more accepting of that than the way that we're going to show 136 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:45,720 them to that lady perhaps, you know. So it's a case of you 137 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:50,039 know, energy does transforms. It's a process that they choose which way they 138 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:56,279 want to show people their energy, and that's you know, that's the bottom 139 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,799 line of it. You know, it's a case of some people are a 140 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,960 lot more open and receiving of whatever it is that spirit used to show, 141 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:05,320 and then others have just sort of like, you know, don't show me 142 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,919 that, Just show me this, I'll be a feather on the ground or 143 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,080 do me that'll do me fine. I don't want to see a face or 144 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,639 anything like that because they just don't feel comfortable in that they just you know, 145 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,240 know that there's something going off and that's more than enough for them to 146 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,879 want to come back and explore it. But obviously they're still not wanting to 147 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,600 step beyond that, and that's absolutely fine. You know, we don't push 148 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:31,000 anyone to do anything. Everything is at their own pace, even the ones 149 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,960 who are not open. And we do have quite a lot of skeptics on 150 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,639 the events that we run, and we're open to them coming as well, 151 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:43,159 because I think it's nice for them to also witness things that are happening that 152 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,399 can't be explained, you know, and that we've had so many of them 153 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,720 walk through our door and walk back out again and they're left scratching the head 154 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,759 at the end of the night because they still can't explain it. And I 155 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:56,440 mean, we've had one gentleman who had an instance that happened to him very 156 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:00,600 much a skeptic, and he said at the end of the night, he 157 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,039 says, I still can't debunk that. I don't know what it was, 158 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,000 but I can't debunk it. And were like two or three months down the 159 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:11,240 line, and he still messages now and again and says, I still can't 160 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:15,240 get my head around what I saw. I still can't debunk it, and 161 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,279 I think it's fantastic because it's still got him thinking, you know, and 162 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,279 that's really good, you know to us. That's that's something really transformative for 163 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:28,080 him because you know, he came him in completely not open to anything, 164 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:31,519 and you know, there's no such thing as afterlife, no such thing as 165 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,159 spirit, all the rest of it. And he's gone out and he's had 166 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:37,440 an experience. He can't you know, obviously debunk it. He's tried it, 167 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,080 and it was more so to do with him himself than anyone else around 168 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,039 the building at the time, so you know, there were other people that 169 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,759 were with him that didn't experience the same thing as him, and that's why 170 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,720 he can't understand it because he's the only one that saw it, or the 171 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,679 rest of the people didn't see what he saw. And he's like, how 172 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:58,720 is that? You know, when everyone else was there, why did they 173 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:03,679 not it? And that's got him obviously got more questions than answers going off 174 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,720 in his mind, which is a good thing. So, yeah, happening 175 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:13,039 with the paranormal thing is that, like you say, one person can see 176 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:18,759 a full on person walking across the carriage. He else would be like, 177 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:24,240 look at the sparrows outside typing. That's what makes it so hard to sort 178 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:28,200 of prove to people that are skeptical is the individualized nature of it. Really 179 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,039 in a way, it is very strange how it sometimes seems to target individual 180 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,960 people, right, Yeah, definitely. And I think Spirit make a bee 181 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,600 line for the skeptics every single time. It's almost like that person doesn't believe 182 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,840 a thing I'm going to say or what I'm going to show, but I'm 183 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:52,279 still going to give it my best shot. I just find it comical because 184 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:56,519 when that happens, you know that there's been a change, because they seem 185 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,919 to change the shift pattern from not believing it's all nonsense to all of a 186 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:05,639 sudden, I'm thinking that's something. Something is definitely happening in the buildings, 187 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,840 and I can't put my finger on what it is that's happening, but I 188 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:11,639 know there is something going on. And I just think it's fun when that 189 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,919 happens, because I know that Spirit or wanting to show them something, not 190 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,200 to change their mindset, but to just show them that there is a possibility 191 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,360 that there is something beyond death, you know. So I do think as 192 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,360 well it takes some more to believe than others. Feel someone's got a predisposition 193 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:39,120 of belief, then they're more likely to see it than someone who is less 194 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,960 likely or a bit more skeptical. I think it's always good to have a 195 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:48,440 good healthy balance absolute epticism. And I think it's great when people come away 196 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:54,639 and they kind of not quite sure what they've experienced, but it gives them 197 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:58,320 food for thought, so they can kind of come away and challenge some of 198 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,720 the thinking habits that they had before. But there is a high correlation between 199 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,519 people that already have a belief system or have a belief than those that don't 200 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:13,919 are more likely to see it. It's really and also the paranormal journey is 201 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,879 something that is objective. That's what so. I come from a spiritual background 202 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:22,919 and was once a spiritualist, and it was physical mediumship that got me into 203 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,840 the paranormal realm. And I always felt that part of the reason why I 204 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:33,320 love the paranormal is because it's so objective, whereas spiritualism, spiritualist mediumship is 205 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,039 very subjective. And I think that is as well a big part of when 206 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:43,240 people interpret the paranormal around them. It is really subjective to them as well. 207 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,159 Is it the way they interact or the way they kind of make sense 208 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,039 of it. So, but having a big mix of people or having a 209 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,559 group of people that have got different kind of mindsets always good because then you 210 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,519 can always have really healthy debates and conversations. Oh yeah, around it absolutely 211 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:03,000 entrepren and I love that as well. You know the fact that there are 212 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:07,759 different people that come in with different religious beliefs, different beliefs about you know, 213 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,919 is there such things as mediums? How do mediums work? And they 214 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,960 want to explore that. And also the fact being like you say, they 215 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,960 just want to know for themselves. They want not always something for everyone else 216 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,399 to see. Sometimes they come because they just want a personal experience themselves, 217 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,480 you know, they want something to validate that. You know, maybe the 218 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:32,279 grandfather's around or the great uncle Albert's around, you know, they want something 219 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,919 to validate that. And often they come on public events like ourselves on doing 220 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,720 paranormal events. They sometimes come on that to get those answers because they've tried 221 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,200 every other avenue and it's not got them anywhere. So when they do come 222 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,399 on them, they're not usually expecting something to happen, like you know, 223 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:53,120 for someone to pick up on, perhaps a loved one that's belonged to them, 224 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:59,000 and when that happens, you know, they get quite emotional because albeit 225 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,480 they didn't expect it, they were hoping that would happen. You know, 226 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:04,799 they came in with that expectation. You know, I know it's a place 227 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:10,279 where people can pick up spirit and connect with spirit. Hopefully that connection will 228 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:14,240 come through, and you know they're just binding it mind blowing because often they'll 229 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,000 say to me afterwards, it's strange how before I came on the event, 230 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:21,880 I was talking to you know, whoever it was they wanted to come through, 231 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,759 and said, you know, can you meet yourself known at the event, 232 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,640 and I let me know that you are around, You're okay. And 233 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,160 then somebody will randomly say I'm picking up on this gentleman and they'll start describing 234 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,240 him and they're like, I know who that is. I can take that 235 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,920 person, and that person's belonged to me. And I did ask for them 236 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,880 to let me know that they were around. So often, you know, 237 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,440 they do get things like that. You know, a lot of personal connections, 238 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,839 not just to do with the buildings, but that as well. But 239 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,680 when they do get the connections from the buildings themselves. There's been quite a 240 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,039 few wow moments, as you can imagine when you're going into buildings that I've 241 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:00,160 got centuries of history, and then you're getting spirit that are going back to 242 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,720 sort of like the thirteenth and twelfth century coming forward and showing themselves what they 243 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:08,920 actually look like, whether it be in full armor or clothing that's related to 244 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,680 that time period and such forth, and people just, you know, they're 245 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,960 just mind blowing by it. You know the fact that spirit, even though 246 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,279 it's a long long time ago, can still manifest and show themselves in a 247 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:26,240 way that they remember how they were addressed back in that time period. So, 248 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:32,720 yeah, consciousness is a very powerful thing. I agree. And they 249 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:37,680 say that you said earlier about energy. Energy just transforms that that's science. 250 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,440 Them's is science and energy does not die. It just transforms one form to 251 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:48,880 another. And essentially that's well when we're talking about how energy manifests is menifests 252 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,200 differently dependent on the person that they're working with. Is just an example of 253 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,960 that. Right when we talk about so you said about doing you do pablic 254 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:03,200 events, there is I say, it's funny, it's not really But these 255 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,519 are the conversations I've had today actually about places I would love to go and 256 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,519 never have been in the UK. So is there somewhere that you've been that 257 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:15,160 you absolutely would love to go back to, or if you have had an 258 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,359 opportunity to go somewhere that's been quite private and you've had some great experiences there, 259 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,240 I think, Oh, I've been to so many places as well. 260 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:30,160 Where do you start on that? One? Probably the most favorite building I've 261 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,400 been into is the Robin Hord Experience in Nottingham. The reason why it's favorite 262 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:41,599 of mine investigated that building for six and a half years straight, so you 263 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,039 can imagine the information and connections I was getting through from that particular building. 264 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,799 But they weren't just related to that building. They were related to around the 265 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,599 site, the site itself, the land, the people back in different time 266 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:03,960 periods that were coming through and obviously connecting with me, giving me visuals of 267 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:07,599 what was going on in that time period, what the buildings look like, 268 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:11,319 what the outside of the building looked like, hearing the people how they used 269 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:18,480 to talk, describing obviously what they used to do for occupation back in the 270 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,680 time as well. So I got quite a lot from this particular building, 271 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,640 so it's always been one of my favorites to go to. And I also 272 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:32,359 had a gentleman that came and connected many times, you know, right from 273 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,640 day doc right all the way through the same person and others people who've gone 274 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,480 into the building and investigate it have also come across him as well, and 275 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:48,839 you know, it's shared a lot of insight about how dimensions work. Because 276 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,599 he was upstairs in the building, He's got a particular I won't say it 277 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,920 for the benefit of anyone who wants to go investigate, but there is a 278 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,519 particular room upstairs that he tends to always being and when he's in there, 279 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:06,279 he doesn't see the room the way it is today. He sees it back 280 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:10,559 as it was in his time period. He described to me where the window 281 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,960 was. He described him with what he's seen out that window, even though 282 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,640 there is no window in that building. It's all boarded up so you can't 283 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,440 see out at all. But he would describe things certain detail to me. 284 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:26,039 He'd show me a picture of not in castle, what it would look like 285 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,359 back in that time period, and exactly the way he described it. I 286 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,119 actually did some research. I said, well, I will check it out 287 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,960 because I don't always believe what spirits helmer. I'll say, if you're lying 288 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,200 to me, I will know, and I will go and check it out 289 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,319 to make sure you're giving me some actual facts, because that's the way I 290 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:48,720 work. And I actually looked up and seen a picture of that time period 291 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,240 and what not in castle looked like, and it looked exactly the way he 292 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:59,240 described it, and I was like, wow, okay, now we're talking, 293 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,880 you know, giving me information that can be validated. So then he 294 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:10,039 would tell me about obviously his life, his family that were there living with 295 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,400 him. He'd also described to me that he had two horses that were downstairs 296 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,799 in the stable park, and the downstairs is now a gift shop, so 297 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,720 obviously he'd go down and around the building. You know, he'd walk around 298 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,920 and see what was going off in each of the rooms and everything. But 299 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:33,200 what At some points he actually used to walk downstairs into the gift shop and 300 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:36,720 once he came down with me, and I so to him, I'd love 301 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:38,200 for you to walk down with me and see what you look at when you 302 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,920 look out that window. What do you say? Describe it to me? 303 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,920 Because I'd be quite interested to find out and he says, well, I 304 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,119 see your time period. I see the vehicles, what what are those things? 305 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,039 What are those things on? These things that move on what looked, 306 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,960 you know, looks like a road. You know, he was baffled by 307 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,839 it because obviously it's something you know, going back to the fourteenth century that 308 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,799 you would not see obviously, And you know, he was just baffled and 309 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:10,799 perplexed by it. The fact that when he came down to a certain level, 310 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,319 he's seen it through our eyes what our world looks like today, and 311 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,599 yet when he go up to the upper level, that was his world he 312 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,960 saw, you know. So he was darting between fourteenth century and twenty twenty 313 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,799 two, twenty three, you know, that sort of time period. So 314 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,960 it's like, how does that work? I was really intrigued to find out 315 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,519 how, you know, is that just his perception? How does he see 316 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,640 that? You know? And he said, the only way I can describe 317 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,640 it is I'm seeing it through your eyes yourself. It's says, because obviously 318 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,319 in my eyes I can see my time period. I can also see where 319 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,960 I am now if I want to go to that level where you know, 320 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,920 our plane is and where was meant to be and where we're meant to be 321 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,799 with our loved ones. But it says, I'm seeing the time period now 322 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,240 through your eyes, not mine, and he says that's why I'm able to 323 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,440 see it. And I'm like, that's a really bizarre you know, answered 324 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,039 that I didn't expect to get from him, but I thought how intriguing at 325 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,440 the same time, and you know, obviously I've explored so many different buildings, 326 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,039 and that was the first time I actually had a spirit person say to 327 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,519 me, well, I'm seeing things through your eyes and not my own. 328 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,519 And I thought, how weird. But yeah, it was a concept that 329 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:33,039 hadn't come across and I thought it was quite interesting how they can see things 330 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,039 like that. And I thought, well, actually, it does make sense 331 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,119 because when you think about other people who have had, you know, babies, 332 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,000 and the loved ones have gone passed away, and then when they go 333 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,000 to mediums like myself, when they're getting readings and the same way, How 334 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,680 is it my great grandfather who's never obviously been here when this child was brought 335 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,839 into the world, but yet he knows exactly everything about him. How is 336 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:59,720 that possible? And I'm like, well, obviously, you know they're there 337 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,920 there, and they're seeing it through your eyes. They're not seeing it through 338 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,079 their own, and that's how they make that association. It's like when I 339 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,160 had a I'm a stickler for experimenting with spirits. You probably could tell I 340 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,200 will push certain things and ask certain things that all the people perhaps wouldn't even 341 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,079 think to ask. But I do love asking questions because I think, how 342 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,160 else are we going to learn? You know, we're not going to learn 343 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,200 through thinking about it. You need to get it from the horse's math, 344 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:26,440 so to speak. And the only way you get that through is communicating with 345 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:32,319 spirit. But I asked them, you know, about looking at clocks and 346 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,599 things and asking them what time is it? You know, simple things like 347 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,119 that. This was during COVID, when they used to come in and talk 348 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,079 to me in my own home because obviously everywhere was in lockdown. I said 349 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,720 to him, I don't mind communicating with you and talking to you, but 350 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,119 would you help me out, you know, and explored and tell me a 351 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480 little bit about what you're seeing, you know, in my space in my 352 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,359 room. You know, do you see the clock? And if so, 353 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,240 can you tell me what the time is? And they're like, yeah, 354 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,240 we can tell you the time, and they did tell me the time, 355 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,599 and I'm like, well, how do you know what that time is? 356 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,359 How do you see the clock? And they're like, we again, we're 357 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,000 seeing it through your eyes and we haven't got eyes to see, so we're 358 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,720 using your visual to be able to see it. And I'm like, I 359 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:18,559 got that repetitiveness after, you know, speaking with that particular gentleman who set 360 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,920 that ball rolling, I thought, well, that was really fascinating because now 361 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,279 it makes sense when people who have passed who don't see the loved ones, 362 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,079 you know, having children and seeing them grow up, and they're saying, 363 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,400 well, how is it they know so much about them? Well, obviously 364 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,440 they do, because again they're seeing them through the loved one's eyes, so 365 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,880 you know, that's why they know so much. And I thought it's all 366 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,640 making a bit of sense now, you know, because before and I was 367 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,000 just so perplexed by it. Yeah, it's fascinating stuff, it really is. 368 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,480 I don't know how to watch that actually, I was just trying to 369 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,680 think of the mechanics of it. Yeah, it's like blowing, isn't it. 370 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:06,039 The principle the consciousness isn't limited to the body. I suppose they could 371 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:12,680 potentially access some part of you that's you know, I don't know, because 372 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,079 like your brain gives off an electro magnetic field of source, isn't it. 373 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,240 So it's like, you know, they just sort of tap into that and 374 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,160 get the visuals. Yeah, it's a similar way to the way telepathy is 375 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,640 would be, I guess, yeah, absolutely. And obviously they're connecting through 376 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,640 our conscious when they're connecting with us and talking to us, because that's the 377 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,799 only way they can do it. So albeit they can voice their own voice, 378 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,839 you know, it just takes them to understand how to do it. 379 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,359 The process is all different for each one of them. Some of them are 380 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,079 able to make more noise than they can do visuals or you know, audible 381 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,759 with their own voice. Some of them just can just do tapping, you 382 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,000 know, and that's the only way they can communicate. But then once they 383 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:06,880 understand the you know, the process of how to actually vocalize. Even though 384 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,160 some people here and growling and making them sort of noises and think, oh 385 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,440 god, we've got a demon in the plaze, it's sometimes not the case. 386 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:17,519 It's actually a spirit trying to use the voice because they're not you know, 387 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:18,880 if they're not use their voice for a very, very long time, 388 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:25,000 and you're trying to get them to concentrate enough with their consciousness to be able 389 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,480 to remember what their voice sounded like, to be able to amplify that out 390 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,960 into the atmosphere for us to hear it. Then obviously it's like clearing your 391 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,759 throat, isn't it, you know, at the end of the day. 392 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,240 And I just think sometimes there's so much misperception about what people are hearing, 393 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,839 you know, and they're just thinking the obvious, it's something demonic. Naturally, 394 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,519 it's not always the case at all. I mean, I've been doing 395 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,039 paranormal investigating and connected with spirit for years and I haven't come across anything that 396 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:57,519 our class is demonic. So you know, I've yet to come across That 397 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:06,559 is an interesting thought, though, that they're clearing their h because through Yeah, 398 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:08,960 to be fair, it's like if you've been living down in the cellar 399 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,359 for a bit and then someone comes along to talk to you and you're like, 400 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,160 yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly that that's true. And I mean, 401 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:18,960 you know, if you've got to think about it, also, from 402 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,720 the point of view, you've not actually had a physical body perhaps for twenty 403 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,720 thirteen plus years or centuries, depending on the place that you're going into, 404 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,519 and then all of a sudden you're tapping into them and you're almost waking them 405 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,119 up in the sense of, oh, you know, somebody here that can 406 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,000 connect with me. How do I be able to you know, let all 407 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,480 the people know who can't connect. How do I make the noises for them 408 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,799 to realize that I am actually here? And it's like a working process, 409 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:51,799 you know. It's almost like I feel like I'm teaching them to understand from 410 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,400 our side as well as obviously from the other side, how to bridge that 411 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,759 gap, how to understand that that can do certain things without even the physical 412 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:07,119 body. It's just knowing how to tap into that and to hone in on 413 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,759 it. You know. It's like moving things like around the building and things. 414 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,119 You know, it's all about minds over matter. You know, if 415 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,200 you're consciously focusing on something, you know they do have within the ability within 416 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,720 them to be able to move someone, manifest something you know, or even 417 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:29,000 try and manifest themselves. It just takes an understanding of them to do it 418 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,599 without thinking I haven't got a physical It's almost like when they go to pick 419 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,160 a glass up you see them like this, you know the ghost film where 420 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,440 you see them trying to push their hands through glass and it's just not working, 421 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,079 and it's like they're thinking, why can't I pick the glass up? 422 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:45,000 Well, they help, the haven't got a body to pick it up with, 423 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,480 so you're almost having to say to them, you have to focus with 424 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:53,480 your conscious mind to be able to make that glass move. But at the 425 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,200 same time, you've got to use the energy of people around you to be 426 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,079 able to do it as well, because obviously they won't be able to always 427 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,599 do it on their own because every one of them are at different energy levels, 428 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,279 so some of them are quite low energy, so they can't do as 429 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,799 much as what somebody with a high energy can do. And also if they're 430 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,839 sort of like got used to doing certain things like throwing pebbles and things like 431 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:22,960 that, or you know, making a shadow appear of themselves, then obviously 432 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:27,160 you know they've got abilities beyond what the person has that's got very low density 433 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,559 energy. So therefore then they're able to do more. But they're only being 434 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:36,319 able to do that because people like myself helping them to understand how to do 435 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,400 it, is given them the floor space to do it almost you know, 436 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440 and then with people coming into the building with all the energy, it really 437 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:48,359 helps amplify it for them. So yeah, it's really interesting. Have you 438 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,640 ever been into a building that I know you said you haven't come across anything 439 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,440 sort of the money, but have you ever been into building that you really 440 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,119 don't want to go back into? It's not been a bit wildness such believe 441 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,200 it or not. It's actually been a cave. And that was at the 442 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:12,240 robin Hood Cave, which is within the confines of the Rock Cemetery in Nottingham. 443 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,279 I actually come across something that would people would perceive as demonic because of 444 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:22,440 the way it showed itself, and it did actually attack me on a psychic 445 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:28,160 level. It took me best part of a week to recover from it, 446 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:34,079 and to me it was it was it was a case of me not understanding 447 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,680 what it was that I was being presented with. But when I actually got 448 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,559 into the back end of the cave, I seen that people had been bringing 449 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,359 offerings to the cave and straight away I thought, I know what that thing 450 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,279 is. Now. It's like a guardian of the land, you know, 451 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:55,440 it's there to guard the sacred area that it is, and that's without the 452 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,599 cemetery being there. It's just purely based on the land. I mean, 453 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,920 that thing been there long before the cemetery was even used, you know, 454 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,079 and of course it was more of a stronger elemental than anything. And of 455 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:15,119 course as soon as it realized I was going in on its space with no 456 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,559 offering, of course, straight away it came for me. So you know, 457 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:23,039 I wasn't the only one that was physically being you know, psychically attacked. 458 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,400 You know, there were all the people that were feeling as if someone 459 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,559 was ripping their stomach to bits. Some of them had got markings on the 460 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:35,160 skin. And we straight away said, look, we need to leave because 461 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,000 obviously this thing thinks we're obviously trespassing, which we are. But the factor 462 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,759 is we've not brought anything to appease it. So you know, it thinks, 463 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,039 right, you know, get out my space, and naturally that's what 464 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,279 it did, so it goes out there pretty quick. But that was only 465 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,640 because of the fact that, you know, the way it was coming at 466 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,839 us, because obviously we hadn't brought anything for it. If we'd have brought 467 00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:04,519 the would have had a different experience altogether, but it didn't frighten me no 468 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200 way, shape or form. All the guests that were with me at the 469 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,039 time, they just found it. Like, you know, we felt guilty 470 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,960 for the fact we didn't know. And it was only when we were coming 471 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,159 out of the actual cave and walking back up to where our base room was 472 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,360 for the night that one of the staff members says, oh, yeah, 473 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,400 a lot of people come here during the daytime. I've got to tell you 474 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,800 and bring offerings. And I'm like, you could have told me that before. 475 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,599 At least we understood what was happening and why it was happening, and 476 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,960 what the thing was that we were seeing as well. But you know, 477 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:43,639 it didn't put me off by no means I would go back again, but 478 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,199 I would go back in with the mindset of bringing something first before entering, 479 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,519 rather than just entering into someone's face. And naturally it was on defense mode 480 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,480 because you know, it was God in the land. So these things happened, 481 00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:58,840 you know, you learn from them, and that's the way it is, 482 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,679 isn't it. We're all learning all about this paranormal side of it and 483 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:07,599 the spiritual side of it as well. So yeah, but it wouldn't put 484 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,000 me off. It wasn't scary enough to put me off. And I haven't 485 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,880 come across anything that would say, you know, I wouldn't go in there 486 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,440 ever again either. You know, it takes a lot to scam it. 487 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,079 Really. Most people are running at the other direction and they've seen things that 488 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,119 I see, and I'm like, hold on, we're we going. That's 489 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,840 why we're here. We're here to find out more. That's why we're here, 490 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,880 so don't run. I have to admit that's what I would probably do. 491 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,320 You'd be surprised at how many people do I turn around and most of 492 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,760 the time I'm on my own, and I'm like, that's fine, I 493 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,760 don't mind. The day about doing an investigation in woods in the dark, 494 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,239 and I was like, oh, you'd get if we did the live would 495 00:35:51,239 --> 00:36:02,360 be like me running into trees, falling over that was a squirrel. Oh. 496 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,440 I had a really scary experience that we were out in an investigation in 497 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:13,000 the woods. And it wasn't the paranormal that scared me, but we were 498 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,079 in the woods and we were doing it. Particularly we're doing an investigation. 499 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,679 We was really aware that there was a tent. So someone staying in the 500 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,000 woods in this tent so I was really aware of this other person. They 501 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:27,400 probably were worried. There was ten of us, so we had big cameras 502 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,440 and all sorts, so I was really aware of my surroundings. And also 503 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,719 I heard this rustling sound and I looked and I could just see a little 504 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,639 white towel and I think I was just a rabbit. It wasn't just a 505 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:43,400 rabbit. It was a badger and it flew at me. And I've never 506 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,760 been so scared of my life. So I think being hypervigilant, being on 507 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,800 paranormal investigations, it's not always just the ghosts or the things that we don't 508 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,840 can't you know, don't understand that breaks us out. There is a lot 509 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:02,280 of other things going on that that has the ability to put the spooks in 510 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,039 you or another you know, going out of the wisdom of scuits. All 511 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:12,360 well and good, until you have to walk up some hills. That's that's 512 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:20,199 interesting. I've got to walk up that steep bit we're tupry Castle is on 513 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:28,639 Saturday. Are going to bring me the oxygen tank? Yes, yeah, 514 00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:30,800 it's STEEPI and I hope that we don't get the winds that we had when 515 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,719 we were at Dudley Castle on Saturday. All the winds on the keep were 516 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,440 absolutely horrendous. We couldn't you go up there with guess you just get blown 517 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,960 away. It was just awful. But it's such a shame because we were 518 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,599 really hoping to do that and investigate that part of the building. But it 519 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:52,199 wasn't meant to be unfortunately due to the severe wind that we had. It 520 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,320 was just too treacherous. And then it lashed it down with rain as well, 521 00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,920 so proper stormy whether we had Saturday, but it added to the atmosphere 522 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:10,480 again. It's that give us the willies. Oh yes, I've never been 523 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:17,599 to top where it hasn't been windy. That's to the people that used to 524 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:21,480 live there before. You know, like when it was first built and you're 525 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,400 thinking it's freezing here and in the summer. They made it in the winter 526 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,320 with like they've got no es, central heating or anything, and it's just 527 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,639 like and you know, even the clothing and that, you think, how 528 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,199 nurse did they do it? It's it's to try and keep themselves warm. 529 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:40,880 I'm sure it's the only way they did do Back then. In that time 530 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,800 period, life expectancy wasn't very long either, so it probably didn't survive. 531 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:58,760 Haven't that bones? That was it? It's like it's too cold. Yeah. 532 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,719 Yeah, so you've got an investigation going on this weekend. Tell us 533 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,199 a little bit about that. Yeah, we're at Tubby Castle. Obviously we've 534 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:16,239 been there many times before, but it's just a fantastic site when you think 535 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,880 about the history of it. Obviously the people that went through the castle doors 536 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,079 themselves, people that stayed there. You know, the place is just rife 537 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,840 with history. And we always say we're there's history, there's always bound to 538 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,039 be ghosts or spirit you know, because more often than not, these are 539 00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,679 the sort of buildings that you tend to find them in and obviously, you 540 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,320 know, some of them just aren't at rest. Some of them, you 541 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,320 know, still stick around the place, and we love finding out, well, 542 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,719 if that's the case, why are the they you know, what keeps 543 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,199 them there? So, yeah, it's a fantastic place to investigate. We're 544 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,519 all really really excited to go. And obviously, you know, it's such 545 00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:05,440 a shame that the wonderful create I can't even say the words person who's looking 546 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,400 after the cattle. I make it that way because I can't get I can't 547 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,559 give anywhere that tide. And the lady there, Leslie Smith, who has 548 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,400 obviously been there for a long long time, sadly is retiring, so you 549 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,960 know, it's it's such a shame that, you know, the castle will 550 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,239 be changing hands shortly, so maybe you know, the paranormal side of it 551 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,320 won't be going on for forever. It might end up coming to a very 552 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:36,000 shortcoming, come to July when it changes hands, you know, somebody else 553 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,719 takes over the reins, which will be sad, you know, because obviously, 554 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,679 you know, it's been in the paranormal field for a long long time, 555 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,159 and obviously everyone loves to investigate there because of the history. But obviously, 556 00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,800 you know, if the other people that take it on don't want that, 557 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,960 then that's it. You know, we have to respect that. But 558 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,480 I think a lot of people are probably appreciating it more so now that they 559 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:06,440 know it's not going to be open forever for people to investigate. But you 560 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,599 know, the experiences people have had their just the staff alone is just you 561 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:15,599 know, phenomenal. And obviously my other co founder, a partner in crime 562 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:20,639 is son Jordan, who's had a few experiences there as well himself, and 563 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,199 some have left her definitely a profound effect on him after it as well, 564 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:30,480 because he actually had almost like a time slip, so he actually seen the 565 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,599 castle back in a time period where obviously there was a back of going on 566 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,599 in the grounds. He's seen the soldiers seeing them, you know, killing 567 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:44,480 people. He's seen different buildings that are no longer there but used to be 568 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:51,199 there, little individual buildings around the actual site. And obviously that's all been 569 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,360 validated from Leslie Smith herself, who when he explained it to her what he 570 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,760 saw, she was quite surprised and she went, wow, well, that's 571 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,400 the second person that I know has actually had exactly the same experience. And 572 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,960 the other person was a young lad and he had exactly the same experience. 573 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:15,559 He describes seeing exactly the same things. Albeit that was quite a few years 574 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:21,000 prior to Jordan having that experience. But she said, it's really interesting how 575 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,000 you know no one else has had it and why did it? Was? 576 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,920 It was it just two people that actually experienced that, you know, a 577 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,880 younger child and obviously an adult. You know, why is it that there 578 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,920 was such a big gap between the two experiences. You know, you couldn't 579 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,239 put it down to imagination or anything like that, because obviously Jordan didn't know 580 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,719 this young lad, and the young lad obviously doesn't know Jordan, and obviously, 581 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,440 you know, no one else had experienced it. So it's an interesting 582 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:54,079 factor really and something again, you know, that's left her very perplexed in 583 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:59,440 regards of, you know, how has that experience happened? What is it 584 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,440 something with in the atmosphere? Is it the weather that's contributed it to them 585 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,519 having that experience? What triggered it? You know, that was the interesting 586 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,320 thing that she's finding to explore, you know, why these things happen, 587 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,880 you know, and why is it just you know, an individual that's had 588 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,559 it when there's been other people there on the same day, on that same 589 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,920 night and not experienced anything like that, you know, So it's really interesting. 590 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,960 I suppose one could argue, if you believe in past life stuff, 591 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,360 maybe thinking there before that's very true. And again on a separate occasion, 592 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,280 when we went to Tulbury Castle, again Jordan had an experience and we were 593 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,239 on a private this time or a private investigation, and he had experienced something 594 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,039 in the King's bedroom and again that left him, you know, profoundly affected, 595 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:57,480 even to this day. He still recalls it because it was so so 596 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:02,199 vivid the information he was getting and he was shown and obviously we do think 597 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,519 that was part of a past life that he had actually had a snippet of 598 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,519 and the gentleman he was with at the same time also had a connection with 599 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,840 him and also saw exactly the same thing, so you know that both of 600 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,639 them were connected in some way, and there it was, you know, 601 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,159 we believe they were either in the past lives there were something to do with 602 00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:29,119 the Knights template or they were Knights templars, We're not sure, but they 603 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:37,840 were actually seeing themselves in different obviously different dress but or described it as similar 604 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,880 to Knight's templar outfit that they used to wear back in the time, and 605 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,360 also the fact being that their face was different, but somehow they knew it 606 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,400 was them. So again, could be past live progression there that we're going 607 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,440 off. Something triggered it for that past life to be shown to them in 608 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,519 some way. But yeah, so it'll be interesting go back on Saturday, 609 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,320 whether anything else comes forward, you know, and whether he has any other 610 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:14,599 experiences, because that's twice in two separate investigations where he's had two separate things 611 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,039 that have come forward, you know, one to do with himself and one 612 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,840 showing him what the building used to look like. So whether they're to do 613 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360 with the same thing or not, it would be interesting to find out. 614 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,400 Yeah, I'm a big believer in past life. I think everyone's had a 615 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:37,159 past life, so's to regenerate somewhere, don't they, So they've got to 616 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:43,800 go somewhere. Horses, It's like we'd get some horses, like there were 617 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,400 foles, and it was like we didn't have to teach him anything. It's 618 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,119 like they already knew it. Yeah, and you can't explain it to people. 619 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,840 It's like, but you know, we used to have like twenty twenty 620 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,360 five foles each year, and some of them just knew what to do and 621 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,280 they were like really about everything, and everyone's like, right, it's just 622 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,280 temperament. I was like, no, these particular ones, it wasn't all. 623 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,360 You know, you'd get the odd one every now and then and you're 624 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,280 like, they know what they're doing already, and it's past. And that's 625 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,119 what made me think about because it's like, you know, you think, 626 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,760 well, actually, you know, it does kind of make sense really in 627 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,079 a weird especially like your energy thing, like the recycling of energy. I 628 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:28,920 mean, if you like being around, there's no reason why you can't recycle 629 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,480 yourself back. But I'd imagine at some point in time it's going to get 630 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,599 quite overcrowded somewhere over there. So it's going to go somewhere, isn't it. 631 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:43,400 You know, So where would you be placed except back into you know, 632 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,280 a different physical vessel, you know. But again, your or your 633 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,679 past lives are probably stored at the back, but at some point in time 634 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,719 something triggers them to bring them to the forefront of your mind. And that's 635 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,599 when people tend to realize that they've had a other a Dajavoo moment where they 636 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,639 feel like they've lived there or they've been there before, but can't place ever 637 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,559 been there themselves, you know, in this time period. But yeah, 638 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:15,679 it's an interesting subject, it is. It is. I was having this 639 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:21,519 conversation with my well this exact conversation, but this conversation around this with my 640 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,719 youngest who's a teenager, just randomly, so they've got a bath birthmark, 641 00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,440 sugges I have got a birthmark, and he was like, well, I 642 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,599 haven't, so I've only lived one life I was like, hmmm, tell 643 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:39,079 me more about this. It's not it's not an unfamiliar concept, is that 644 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:45,599 your birthmarks are they're a sign of what's happened in your previous life and mark 645 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,920 from previous life. But yeah, he hasn't got any series convinced. This 646 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,840 is his first ever. I was like, lucky you. Lucky for you, 647 00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:58,360 because I've been here before. And when they said to me, what 648 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,760 level do you want to go at this time, I said expert. Yeah, 649 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:10,320 I have regrets, regret I chose the expert level. Clearly I got 650 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,679 a bit a bit ahead of myself. So yeah, so what's your thoughts 651 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,320 around that and birthmarks and you know, signs of past live But what are 652 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,760 your thoughts? Yeah? I do think there's definitely something in that, because 653 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:29,880 you know, when you've you've heard, you know, documentaries of people obviously 654 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,599 going through a past life regression, and especially when some of them are going 655 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:37,039 back to the Civil War and things like that and they remember, you know, 656 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,440 really vivid detail of being on the battlefield, the rifles that they used, 657 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:51,039 what they're you know, were ranked was details are only the person living 658 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,360 that would know. And then they're coming out with all that information thinking, 659 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,920 wow, well, where's that information coming from? You know, can't have 660 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,320 dreamt it up if they're somebody in a sort of like you know, early 661 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,280 teens or in the twenties, and you're going back to a civil war. 662 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,400 You know, obviously that civil war happened long before they were even a twinkle 663 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,079 in the mom's eye or the dad's eye whatever. But you know, obviously 664 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,400 you can find certain things out, yes, from reference books and things, 665 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,840 but certain detail like you know, rank numbers and you know, really vivid 666 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,039 detail that you wouldn't find in textbooks, and they're coming out with that, 667 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,360 Well, that's a whole different matter. Where did that information come from? 668 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,679 That? What that part intrigues me more. It's the information that they can 669 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,039 retrieve that isn't public knowledge. Then you think, well, whereas that if 670 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:43,559 that's come from them, obviously it's got to have come from something that's deep 671 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,599 within the consciousness that's been unlocked, which means obviously that the way that they're 672 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:52,480 describing things if they were actually there but not obviously in this life, in 673 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,679 previous life. And then when you get them saying well, you know, 674 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,719 I had a gunshot to the chest or you know, had something happened to 675 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,119 my back. And then you look and you see where the wound entry point, 676 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,880 for instance, would be with like a musket or something. And then 677 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,800 you look and you see that there's actually a marking where that site would be 678 00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,840 where they're saying that musket went through in a past life, And you think, 679 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,480 wow, that's intriguing. You know that that marks in that particular area 680 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,960 as well. You know it could be anywhere on the body. Why is 681 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,599 it in that particular area. So again, you know, it does make 682 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,440 it a bit more interesting when you're looking at past lives because there's so many 683 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,719 things that you think, yes, you know, you can debunk certain things 684 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,039 and say, oh, well, you know, it's all in your mind. 685 00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:44,199 It's what you're reading and what you're seeing, and it's giving you those 686 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,880 things to make it look like you've had a past life. You just regressing 687 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,519 things that you've seen, you know, throughout your own lifetime, not through 688 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,679 a past life. But then when you're going on a deeper level and then 689 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,519 you're retrieving information that you know it's not something you can find anywhere. That's 690 00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,760 what I think makes it more compelling. Yeah, there is so many stories, 691 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:10,639 isn't it? And from atrocities, and I have a really big fear 692 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:17,000 of being in dentists. And when I did a little bit of aggression, 693 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,360 there was a there was talk of about there was a form of punishment that 694 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,719 had my teeth pulled in a past life, and that's why I had this 695 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,039 really big phobia of dentists and stuff. So, I mean, it's all 696 00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:35,199 interesting. I keep a very open mind, but it is. It is 697 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,480 all interesting. So I think we are coming to the end of our show 698 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:44,960 that has gone so quickly, very quickly. Could you just an overhaul of 699 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,400 where everyone can find you your socials or and if they're interested in come along 700 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,639 and learning more about their developing medium share from being able to apply that into 701 00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:58,679 the paranormal world as well. Yeah, could they find you? You can 702 00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:05,559 find us on face book It's Brooks Paranormal. That's odd low Ks Paranormal. 703 00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:09,360 We are on TikTok, We're on X. I was gonna say Twitter, 704 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,920 but it's now X, isn't it. We're on Instagram and obviously all our 705 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:22,239 events are on our website which is www dot Brooks Paranormal dot co dot uk 706 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:28,280 or the events that we have book coming now or live on the website for 707 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,760 you to look at and explore. We also do not just the ghost hunts. 708 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,440 We do overnight stays in different locations so you get again the most out 709 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,960 of your night. We do also ghost walks, we do Victorian salance nights. 710 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,880 So there's a hope lethora of different things for different people who are into 711 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,559 different things to do with the paranormal, whether it be you know, a 712 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,320 ghost hunt or just a salance night. We've got plenty of different things to 713 00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:00,280 choose from. Perfect and do you cover What part of the UK do you 714 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,159 cover? Do you come down south? Do you step not? We mainly 715 00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:09,320 stay around the Midlands, but we have gone out towards Northamptonshire, Peter Brush, 716 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:15,320 you know that's Cambridge. All different areas that we're starting to explore out 717 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,559 now, so you know they're all there on the website. If you want 718 00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,880 to look at the map, we've got matgrid that told you exactly where the 719 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,280 areas are that we actually investigate and also the locations that we investigate in that 720 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,239 area as well, so they're all easy to be able to access on the 721 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,239 website. So hopefully there'll be something for everyone there to have a look at. 722 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,039 Absolutely I'm really interested in the Victorian seances. Oh the brilliant I love 723 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:45,960 them. And you can't be going back to traditional methods, you know, 724 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:51,400 and not using all the flashy gadgets. I just think it gets so much 725 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,679 out of it from your own personal perspective. And I think equally, you 726 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,000 know, do get a lot out of it as well, because it's again 727 00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,960 a more personalized spirits not just for the person, but also for the spirits 728 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,960 of the buildings, so you know, it works both ways. One piece 729 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,840 of equipment I haven't used, and I would love to, but it's linked 730 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,679 to the Victorian methods, but the spirit hole. I've never used the spirit 731 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:21,360 home before now and something I would love to try. Definitely, it'd be 732 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,679 an interesting thing to explore with. And I think there's so many different things 733 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:30,360 now that you know, people are finding to explore, you know, not 734 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:36,000 just about you know, the updated itc apps and all the IT gadgets that 735 00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,480 you can find out there for getting into using in the paranormal field, but 736 00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,000 there are just the simplest things that people can now use, and it's sometimes 737 00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:47,320 the simplest things that you get the most out of it as well. So 738 00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:51,920 you know, I always say, explore with everything. There's nothing off limits 739 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,039 when it comes to the paranormal. You know, sometimes it only just takes 740 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:59,440 something in a cardboard box, you know, and a simple thing on top 741 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,800 of it, k too, just to see if anything goes around it, 742 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,280 and then just use your voice recorded to see if any communications caught when you're 743 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,599 asking the questions what's in the box? Tell us what's there and see if 744 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,400 you get a reply. You know, it's just simple things to explore with 745 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,920 that you know, don't cost a lot of money. But they also can 746 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,199 give you some answers as to whether there is anything there and a fundable experiment 747 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,920 as well. I mean that's the best thing. Definitely. I think we 748 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,559 get a bit creative with what we've got. We're able to It's about having 749 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,400 not about having proved, but if you are going to get evidence, it's 750 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,000 about getting evidence that you want to be able to go. Well, I 751 00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:44,519 can't explain this, yeah, definitely, yeah, Well, thank you so 752 00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,400 much, Thank you so much. Before we end, I just want to 753 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:52,800 mention that Seventh Sanctum has a Instagram. Now we are up and running over 754 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,840 on Instagram. You can find us at Seventh Sanctum Podcast. I think it's 755 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,480 an investigations. I think it's a little bit longer one. But we're over 756 00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:04,840 there now, so go and give us a little follow if that's what you 757 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,440 want to do. If you follow that, that'd be great. But thank 758 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,760 you so much, Linda, thank you for joining us. I'm going to 759 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,599 say good night to everyone. Oh goodbye, good morning whenever you listen,