WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:05.919 You're listening to k I am sixty on demand. Brett, Welcome to the 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:09.039 Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, how are you? I am well, 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:12.279 Brett? How are you? I'm pretty good? Okay, good to hear, 4 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:15.439 and you're very chipper for this time of day. Well, I work 5 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.679 nice. Oh excellent. So you're coming, you're coming down, ending your 6 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:23.199 day? Coming down? Yeah? How can I help you? All? 7 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.879 Right? Well, I have a would you consider the God of the Bible 8 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:31.000 good? Well? Yes, well I'm kind of partial to that. I 9 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.320 assume you would have thought that I'd answer that it would be weird for this 10 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:39.920 show. Not Yeah. The question is when an atheist will point to something 11 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.840 in the Bible and say that that is a sign of God's immorality, that 12 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.039 is a sign of God being evil. Yes, then they will say that 13 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:51.799 you simply cannot judge God. But by saying that God is good, you 14 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:58.039 are also making a judgment absolutely absolutely, and that would be that would be 15 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.000 a fallacy. Um, if the Christian to put themselves in that kind of 16 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:06.840 argumentation, Um, it's it's it's not the proper way to look at it. 17 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.840 Then how can you tell that God is good? Okay? Well, 18 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.359 there's a couple of things going on here. First, when whenever you are 19 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.560 in a situation like this, defining your terms is important. So um, 20 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.040 defining what judgment is is important because there is a difference between judgment. You're 21 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.239 the same way, Brett, You're exactly the same way. If I came 22 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.200 up to you and I said I don't like the way you did X, 23 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:30.159 Y and Z, you'd say, oh, you know what, I don't 24 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:33.079 want you to judge me. But if I came up to you and said, 25 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:34.200 wow, that was really great that what you did, Brett, you 26 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.519 wouldn't go, I don't want you to judge me. So it's it's it's 27 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:45.280 important to understand what judgment means in that context. When scripture talks about uh, 28 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.280 well, scripture, when it talks about thou shalt not judge, lest 29 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.760 ye be judged, it's talking about um thinking that you're better than somebody, 30 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.000 or being condescending in a way that you aren't looking or taking an account of 31 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.519 things that you do in life. If you're merely looking outwardly constantly at what 32 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:06.879 everyone else does, it's not about justice. Of course, you're to judge. 33 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.879 Christians should judge. Everyone should judge I'm not saying the judgment is wrong. 34 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.159 I'm saying, if you're telling the atheists that they can not judge judge 35 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.199 God bad, then you can also not call him good. Yes, which 36 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:21.120 brings me to my second points. That was just about defining the term about 37 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.919 judgment what judgment is. Secondly, there's a qualifier that's missing in that statement 38 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.719 from the Christian which is why I have a problem with it, and that 39 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.800 is that there are certain things you can't judge God above God. Going back 40 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:38.560 to my definition about being outside of the judgment, So if you're constantly judging 41 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:43.840 others and you're not looking at yourself, there's a problem. No, I'm 42 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.599 saying with m let's let's take it. It's not a personal thing. That 43 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:53.400 we're looking at the greater theological or philosophical ramifications of that statement. So in 44 00:02:53.400 --> 00:03:00.479 this case, somebody's saying you can't judge God is not actually actually correct. 45 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:07.039 That's that's not correct. You can't oversee judgment upon God. Man is not 46 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.800 high enough. You can't actually enforce that judge exactly. So really what you're 47 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.439 doing is you can make observations about God and you can see those things in 48 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.960 God, but you can't judge God's decisions. So that's what the statement needs. 49 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:24.599 It needs more qualifiers to understand what kind of judgment you're doing. You 50 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:30.879 can't sit in judgment of God. So for God did actually exist, yes, 51 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.199 then you could not. He would have all the powers, so you 52 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:36.280 could not actually say You could say that he was wrong all you wanted, 53 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.560 but it wouldn't matter exactly if it because God, by God by definition, 54 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:44.879 is a transcendent, So if it trans in that respect, I think, 55 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:46.879 well that's it. It's you know, a little anthropomorphic on your part if 56 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:51.479 you want to apply those human attributes and you want to say that seems this 57 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:54.159 way to you, but really you're still have to pull it down to a 58 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.280 human element. A mob boss is just a human who thinks he's better than 59 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.759 a human. God is better than human. So I'm holding power over you. 60 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.159 You cannot. They are just doing whatever they feel like. Yeah, 61 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:09.120 but there's no choice in the matter. No, but there's a righteousness to 62 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:14.599 it. A mob boss has their own wants. Well, because God is 63 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.839 justice. There's a difference. Now you're trying to parse the fact that there 64 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:21.480 are human beings that abuse that God is justice. I'm sorry, what makes 65 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.199 you think that God is justice. Well, the show is that Jesus Christ 66 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:30.519 show we'd come from the generic Judeo Christian precept. You got to give me 67 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.680 that one a little bit. You gotta give me that one. I mean, 68 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.079 the show, it pretty much lays it out in the in the name 69 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:43.160 there, it's right there for everyone to see. I'm going to come from. 70 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.839 I'm going to tell you that there are things not only in scripture, 71 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.240 but outside of scripture that point to the justice and the love of God. 72 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:53.519 As a matter of fact, Brett, you telling me that there are things 73 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:58.079 that are good or bad in this world comes from where? Why do you 74 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.720 judge what's good or bad? Why do you what do you say something's good 75 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.959 or something's bad in life? For you? Things which are harmful and things 76 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.480 that are beneficial. No, no, no, no, no, no 77 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.879 no no. That's that's hedonism. You don't believe that because they're who no, 78 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.040 no, no, not heathenism, sir, not hedonism. If I 79 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.279 slam my hand, this idea that we can only judge things wrong because there's 80 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.040 some kind of ultimate standard we're judging against is silly. Okay. If you 81 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.959 tell me my hand in a card door that hurts, okay, But I'm 82 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.519 not seeing some kind of ultimate standard of non hurt. Okay, so hurt. 83 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:32.839 So everything that hurts is bad depending on how depending on how it goes 84 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:41.240 is everything? Is everything that causes pain bad? Is everything that causes pleasure 85 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:45.040 good? No? Okay? So that's a that's a lousy standard. Wouldn't 86 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:46.920 you say? I did not say that, sir? Okay? So is 87 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:53.000 pleasure good? Pleasure can be good, It can can be good. So 88 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:58.079 when does pleasure become So when does pleasure become bad? When it becomes harmful 89 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.519 to you? And what is harm there? If you just sit there having 90 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.519 pleasure all day long? And what is harm if you just sit there with 91 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:10.519 just pleasure all day long and start to ignore things that you need, start 92 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.000 to ignore things that are more beneficial towards you? Says who says who? 93 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.319 Well? Says reality? Says reality? In what context? Says who? 94 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.240 What? Do you? You're You're using circular reasoning as you go back and 95 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.040 say, well, if it's pleasure but only pleasure sometimes, sir, if 96 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.560 you sit there shooting up on drugs all day long, you will feel pleasure, 97 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.240 but at the same time you're doing so you get damage. To your 98 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:39.360 body. What if you what if you shoot up? What if you shoot 99 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:45.120 up only partial during the day, so maybe six hours and you're still doing 100 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.480 damage to your body. That's sort of your decision. What kind of damage? 101 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:50.839 Now, if you cut open a person, does that cause damage to 102 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:56.959 them? Technically? Yes, it depends on what your what your point is, 103 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.399 That's That's what I'm saying, is that you keep adding a quality fire 104 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.759 to it. So there is no standard for what is good or bad. 105 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.240 You have to keep judging whether it's good or bad based on what you think 106 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:12.480 is good or bad, or pleasurable or harmful. There is no universal what 107 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:16.720 is pleasurable or harmful unless you're the one that's You kind of keep saying, 108 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:21.319 well, I deem this pleasurable, I deem this harmful. But who does 109 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:27.439 that? Society? We get together into some gotchas. So it's so it's 110 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.120 the society that decides what's good and bad. Societies generally do yes, okay. 111 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:38.160 Are there societies that do things that are bad? Yes? Okay, 112 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:44.360 then who judges that society the people in that society, No, because they're 113 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.040 the ones doing it bad. They didn't, you know, not see Germany 114 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:54.199 didn't self regulate. It does not okay, And that so that society, 115 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:59.480 that society did not self regulate, who regulated them into the greater society of 116 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.800 the world. I see. So as long as the world sees it as 117 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:07.519 okay, then it's okay. I cannot give you an ultimate stand. No 118 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:09.319 you can't. That's the point, Bread, That's what I want you to 119 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.439 say. You're obviously not stupid, so I want you to see that all 120 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.920 you do is push it upon another chain link, another chain link, because 121 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.759 this infinite regression of maybe this, maybe that, and maybe this, and 122 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.040 that's not how it works. Eventually you have to get to a place outside 123 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:35.399 of that society to make that judgment. Canon a standard measuring rod, because 124 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.200 you can't just say an inches and inches an inch. Somebody has to agree 125 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:46.200 on that, and it has to be outside of the inch. The measurement 126 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:54.399 tool can't be the ultimate measuring tool because it's temporal. It's not it's not 127 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.080 infinite, and that's what you're looking for, that's what you need. That 128 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.120 is what defines it. And we could have been here all day, Brett, 129 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.960 and you would have had to come up with one more reason. Whereas 130 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:16.000 the theist doesn't it stops a god, God alone, the transcendent lawgiver who 131 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:24.279 is always in the law. Wannie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 132 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.799 Good morning, Jesus. I have a question for you, Okay. I 133 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.159 rather thought called the appointment with you always, and it was talking about the 134 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:41.720 established and it's not that the established. The establish originally was established on the 135 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:48.399 new cycles, and that the reason that it was tenuous was because of commercial 136 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:54.960 enterprise, because of because of what commercial enterprise that the merchant wanted to establish 137 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.879 a certain day, like to say, oh gotcha, Okay, well, 138 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.159 no, that's that's falls. Now. Your phone's a little little muddy there. 139 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.200 So I'm gonna put you on whole because it's kind of hard to understand, 140 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:11.360 and I'm guessing that the listeners having a hard time understanding. So essentially 141 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.399 you're asking about the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was changed. No, the 142 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:20.320 Sabbath was established in Genesis chapter two, verse two, and it says by 143 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:26.679 the seventh day God completed his work with which his hands had done, and 144 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.919 he rested on the seventh day from all of his work which he had done. 145 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:37.440 There's the first sign of the Sabbath. Sabbath is the Hebrew word shabat 146 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:43.840 by the word for sabbath and the Greek word sabbaton. They both mean to 147 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.399 rest from labor. That's what it means. So that's where it comes from. 148 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.919 And you find it also in the Ten Commandments. You see it in 149 00:10:54.600 --> 00:11:01.159 Exodus twenty eight through eleven. But a lot of people get the two confused 150 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:11.840 between the Sabbath, which is Saturday, and they get that confused with the 151 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:16.559 Christian day of rest after the Resurrection, which is Sunday. Okay, it's 152 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.600 referred to as the Lord's Day, So the Sabbath is still on Saturday. 153 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.720 The Lord's Day is on Sunday. The majority of Christians practice their faith and 154 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:31.679 rest and go to church and all of that on Sunday, the Lord's Day, 155 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.960 not Sabbath. Now we're there there changes in calendars and things like that 156 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:43.200 throughout the years, yes, but the Sabbath is still considered the last day 157 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:48.200 of the week. It's not a particular it's not a particular day per se. 158 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.279 It's the last day of the week. And that's you know, that's 159 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.279 important because people get caught up in in the Sabbath and start almost worshiping it 160 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.720 like as if the Sabbath is the thing to worship. But if you remember 161 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.600 when I was asked about the Sabbath in scripture, I said that Sabbath was 162 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:11.519 made for man, not man for the Sabbath. And also look up Colossians 163 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.279 chapter two, verse sixteen. Therefore, let no one act as your judge 164 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.720 in regard to the food or drink, or in respect to a festival or 165 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:24.320 a new moon or a Sabbath day. Meaning don't be judged by those that 166 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.279 say that you have to worship this way, or you have to worship on 167 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:30.799 that day, or any of those things. The important part of the Sabbath 168 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:37.000 is that you stop that there's one day that you stop, you rest, 169 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.559 you communion with God. You should be doing that throughout the week as well, 170 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:46.440 but have that specific time to set that apart, to do that and 171 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.320 make it important in your life, Lonnie, that's the key, That is 172 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.759 what's most important. Don't get lost in just the strict tradition of things, 173 00:12:54.840 --> 00:13:03.279 because sometimes traditions start becoming idols. People start worshiping those traditions rather than the 174 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.240 Word of God. And really it's about you taking that time. You having 175 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.200 the time of rest, you having time with God and stopping from working. 176 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.720 That's the most important thing to have, that time away from work, that 177 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:24.759 downtime. Mens it Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Jesus hi hi. 178 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:30.480 Um. My question is in regard to the whole concepts of God. Okay, 179 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.679 um my pinks my Christian pastors, and so I've been raised with the 180 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.600 Christian religion my whole life. I don't necessarily agree with most applications to it. 181 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.320 I think a lot of the teachings that you've brought I agree with, 182 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.840 but when it comes to the institution of the church itself, I have a 183 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.919 lot of disagreements with their approach. Okay. The question that I have regarding 184 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:07.879 God is if God is of love and forgiveness and understanding and compassion, Ay, 185 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.600 why is that not reflected in the Christian religion? And by why would 186 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.000 there be such things as how or even sin for that matter? If if 187 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:24.279 God was you know, the ultimate of forgiveness and understanding. Okay, Well 188 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.600 you asked kind of four questions in there. So let's get to as minimum 189 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.399 as we can, and keep in mind that it's very difficult as you're a 190 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:41.039 PK and PK's pastors kids often have a difficult time because reconciling between seeing their 191 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:46.240 parents as humans and then the words that have to be taught as well. 192 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:52.799 If you imagine Vincent, the it's been said by a chief of police that 193 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:58.120 the judicial system of the United States is perfect save for one problem, and 194 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.799 that is that it has to be run by human being. That is exactly 195 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.360 the same problem with the church. You're dealing with perfection, but yet those 196 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:11.240 that are preaching or teaching it are imperfect. However, your concept or your 197 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:16.559 definition is what's at the root of your concern. It's how you define these 198 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:22.200 things is what you have a problem with. You have you love, forgiveness, 199 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.240 Hell, it's the way you define them that causes the problem, not 200 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:33.000 having them in themselves, because forgiveness is different than reconciliation. And love isn't 201 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:39.120 just ignoring the stupid things people do and giving them a hug, which is 202 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.399 what most people think when they think of love. They go, well, 203 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.799 love is just kind of ignoring all the bad stuff and just being nice to 204 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.679 them. That's not love at all. And so really your understanding of those 205 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:56.440 things plays a big part. Hell. For instance, Vincent, what what 206 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:03.480 kind of music do you hate that you just can't stand probably country Western. 207 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:07.840 Okay. You know what the funny thing is is that I asked this question 208 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:12.360 on occasion and that's one of the top two. So let's say in country 209 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:17.480 Western. You don't like country Western, so you don't want to listen to 210 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:21.320 it for a half hour, do you? You don't want to listen to 211 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.720 it for a full day? Do you right? You wouldn't want to be 212 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.720 forced to listen to it for a year, would you right? Okay, 213 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:33.320 So if I forced you to listen to country music for an eternity, that 214 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:38.639 would be hell because you don't want to it. You don't want it, 215 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:42.120 you want no part of it, and therefore why would you want to experience 216 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:48.840 it forever? Heaven? All heaven is and I say all because some people 217 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.200 like to whittle it down as if this is a negative. All heaven is 218 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:02.279 is communion and worship eternally with the Father. If you don't want to love 219 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:07.319 Him and serve him for seventy eighty ninety measly years on earth, God will 220 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:15.000 not force you to do that for eternity. So he allows you and send 221 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.319 you to allows you to make a choice here on earth to not be with 222 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:26.960 Him for eternity, and it's called hell to not be but eternity from God. 223 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.839 And the thing that people don't get wrapped their heads around, Vincent is 224 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.880 that you think you don't want God, and this isn't you, particularly the 225 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:44.440 Greater You think they don't want God. Yet they don't know that God even 226 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:47.279 works in their life even if they reject Him. On Earth, God is 227 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:52.640 still sustaining this planet, so they so they are getting all the benefits of 228 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.519 God even if they don't know it, or at least part of those benefits, 229 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:02.279 and in hell they won't have any of them. It's like the petulant 230 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:03.839 child going, you know what, I hate my parents. I just want 231 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.119 to move, and then realizing now they're on the streets, there's no roof 232 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.000 over their head, there's no one guiding them, there's no one giving them 233 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:15.240 love. And now they understand the power of it, but can't go back 234 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:21.200 because the decision is so respected by God that humans have the ability to make 235 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.839 that decision, that it is a final and eternal decision at the point of 236 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:32.920 death. So that's what hell is, is somebody truly experiencing for eternity the 237 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.720 eternal decision they made. That's it it's a respect factor. It's not an 238 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.240 unloving or an unjust God. It's a very loving and very just God who 239 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:48.200 says I respect you, I love you. Love can only exist by mutual 240 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.400 respect. Love can only exist if I give you a choice not to love, 241 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:59.200 because forced love is rape. Forcing somebody to give themselves to you, 242 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.640 to physically give themselves to you, to be a part of your life, 243 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:10.079 to be to give what you want of a situation is wrong and it's evil, 244 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:15.599 and God can't and won't do it. He allows humans to make the 245 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:23.680 conscious, educated choice to reject him for all of eternity. But it's like 246 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:30.680 rejecting water. When you're in a desert. You're going to know how much 247 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.279 you neat water. And all these people that you come across in life that 248 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.680 go, oh, I don't drink water because I hate the taste, Well, 249 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:42.119 your body needs it and it's not to you really understand that you're getting 250 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:47.279 water in Jews, or you're getting water even in Sodas. You're getting water 251 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:49.559 little bits here and there, that your body stays hydrated, that you're still 252 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.640 getting that water, just like you're still being sustained. Even if you're an 253 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.839 atheist on Earth but when you're in hell, it's like being in the desert 254 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:03.799 without water. There you realize the necessity of it, uh, in the 255 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.279 consequence of that decision in a more real way, And that's not lacking love 256 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:12.359 in any way, shape or form. Well, Jesus, I don't disagree 257 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:18.599 with you on any point, especially in terms of understanding that there's no way 258 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:22.640 around God's involvement on this earth and with every cent team being that inhabits this 259 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:29.400 um. But with God's design, like you said, also comes choice. 260 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:37.440 And what I what I have a hard time understanding is that choice. You 261 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.279 know, Um, it's very cut and dry when it comes to biblical principles. 262 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.519 You know, if you don't follow this, if you don't follow that, 263 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:51.480 you're going to go to hell. And I don't necessarily agree with that. 264 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:53.960 I think there are a lot of really really good people on this earth. 265 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:57.440 Wa wa wa wa? Whoa good? What does that mean? By 266 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:04.759 what? By what standard? Is somebody good? By your standard? How 267 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.400 could you even say that somebody's good vincent? By who? Is that a 268 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:15.279 cultural statement that the culture says that they're good or the populace says they're good? 269 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.920 Viewpoint? I think that intentions inherently can be good? But by what 270 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:29.559 standard, biblical standard? Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not lie, 271 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.119 that shalt not commit adultery? By what standard do you say someone's good? 272 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:41.519 M Well, it couldn't be only biblical, although a lot of those biblical 273 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.160 principles are very sound. You know, Um, of course you shouldn't kill 274 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:51.079 people, and you shouldn't do you think society should decide what good, what's 275 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:57.559 good and what's bad? Not necessarily because society is soluble. Yes, So 276 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.599 where do you get the standard of good? Is that just the things that 277 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.720 you like? No, not necessarily, because it's not even taste. I 278 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:15.359 think that humans inherently and where does that inherent knowledge come from? Okay, 279 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.599 so why is it? This is what gets me vincent. You will sit 280 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.000 there reasonably, and I love that you're even bringing these things up and that 281 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:27.400 you're questioning it. That's a good thing. Some churches may not think that, 282 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.319 but I think that's a good thing. The problem lies in that you're 283 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.119 picking and choosing it that The question is not how come this is the only 284 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.000 way to be saved? The question is why is there any way to be 285 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.960 saved? Because it's undeserving. Your standard of good comes from God. Period. 286 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:52.319 There is not one society on the planet, not even a cannibalistic society. 287 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.759 There's not one society that believes it's okay to murder, not one. 288 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:02.880 There's not one society on this planet that believes it's okay to steal. Do 289 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:06.559 you know that even a thief doesn't believe it it's okay to steal. If 290 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.480 you try and steal from them, they'll tell you that they supersede that in 291 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.559 their own mind, that it's that it's okay for them for whatever reason. 292 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.920 I'm poor, or the world has handed me a bad you know, go 293 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.640 of it, or whatever it is. They rationalize it, but no one 294 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.799 believes it's okay. It is inherent. It's inherent in human beings. They 295 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.720 know that these things are wrong because God placed that in their heart, that 296 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.640 knowledge of good and evil and understanding the two, so that they could make 297 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.119 a choice. They choose to do evil. They choose to do things that 298 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.640 are wrong, like they choose to go to hell. If if you're in 299 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:48.759 a burning building, vincent and the fire department comes in and they cut a 300 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:53.160 hole that is in the shape of a square, are you gonna argue with 301 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.319 them that you rather go out a circle, that you don't think it's fair 302 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.920 that they make you go out of a square, and that you don't want 303 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.359 that kind of salvation. It's ridiculous. It's not a matter of people. 304 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:10.400 People get bent out of shape, Vincent because they don't want to give up 305 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.640 what they don't want to give up. They don't want to be accountable, 306 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:17.200 they don't want to be held accountable, and they don't want anything in their 307 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:22.200 life that is a half to so they continue to reject God. And there 308 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.319 are other religions out there, and there are counterfeits, and there are all 309 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:29.000 these things. But this is the Jesus Christ Show, so you kind of 310 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.359 knew what you're getting into as far as what side I'm going to land on. 311 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:38.440 But scripture says these things not to paint you into a corner, Vincent, 312 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:44.160 not to make you feel boxed in, but it gives you an out, 313 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.599 and people don't do that. Wow, I'd really like to go out 314 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:52.200 my window instead of a door. And how come houses and structural engineering and 315 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.240 architects design things with doors. I want a porthole in the top of the 316 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:02.079 house because it's not efficient and there's a point where you have to trust that 317 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:06.759 God created things because it is the best way to the best possible world, 318 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.839 which is heaven. But earth is not the best possible world, and that 319 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.240 the fact that there's any way to salvation is the miracle, not that it 320 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.599 just happens to be via my death. And now you get sides and teams 321 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.160 going, oh, well, I don't that's not what I believe, that's 322 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.920 not what I was raised with. It doesn't matter. It's about truth. 323 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:32.240 That's what should be at the center of it. Not a particular team, 324 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:37.559 not Christians versus this group. Not what is the truth? And when you're 325 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.720 led to that truth, then accept it or reject it and receive the blessings 326 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:53.200 or the consequences sal Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. I'm curious as to 327 00:25:53.279 --> 00:26:00.559 how you can impute divinity or even reliability to a set of documents that were 328 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.880 cobbled together centuries after they were written. Never mind the fact that they were 329 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:10.960 written in some cases, in many cases decades after the events that they describe. 330 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.119 But I'm really troubled by the fact that they were put together. Talking 331 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:21.240 about the apocryp full books of the Bible that aren't accepted into the cannon. 332 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.880 It seems to me that it's a it's it's a hitting this kind of thing. 333 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.200 You know, you pick one, you don't pick another, and then 334 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:32.359 you and in the end say well, this is what the word of God 335 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.119 is. I don't buy it. No, I don't suppose you do. 336 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.039 And it's a it's a noble question. Indeed, what I will say, 337 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:42.599 Sal, is that you've asked more than one question. So I'll address as 338 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.960 much of it as I can, because they're all they're all important in their 339 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:51.720 own right, but they've kind of all deal with different answers. So I 340 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.279 will say this for the sake of time. If you look at any of 341 00:26:55.359 --> 00:27:00.720 history, you've any work of antiquity, you've articulated the same thing. So 342 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.319 that would you'd have to discount any work of history, because you know, 343 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:10.599 even Homer's Iliad, I think there's four hundred copies, Caesar's Gaelic Wars, 344 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.519 you've got ten copies, all written after the fact. That's the way history 345 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.319 happens, Sal, It's written after the fact. So in the case, 346 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.680 so, scripture is not the anomaly, it's not the standout. As a 347 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.880 matter of fact, scripture if you're dealing with just the New Testament alone. 348 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:32.720 You have over twenty five thousand, not ten, not four hundred, twenty 349 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:40.079 five thousand whole and parts of manuscripts in there, and even building into their 350 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:45.599 entirety. You could actually reconstruct the New Testament save four about a handful of 351 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.680 John, the Book of John by the early church father's teachings. So it 352 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:57.960 doesn't stand up the same way as other works of antiquity. It stands out 353 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.759 and compared to other works of antiquity. To compare the two is silly. 354 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.279 When you look at history, All of history sal is written after the fact. 355 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:15.599 You could write something about JFK. You could write something about Martin Luther 356 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.960 King Jr. And it still holds water. There might even be more insights 357 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.519 that could be added to it. So I don't know that that appeal to 358 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.519 antiquity is the proper way to look at it. I think it actually ends 359 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.960 up being fallacious. Having said that, I think authorship can be seen in 360 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.000 many different ways, and for the sake of time all answer one that I'm 361 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.720 hoping that sticks with you, that is that you listen to the voice of 362 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:47.839 something. Bibliographical tests are often used to decide what scripture or what book is 363 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.799 written by whom. And that's not just in scripture, that's with any work 364 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.960 of antiquity. So in the case of scripture, you want to hear a 365 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.079 voice. And if you listen to scripture and the things it says, it's 366 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.440 not a book man would write. If he could. Man wouldn't write a 367 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.759 book of rules that he doesn't want to live by at all. He would 368 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.079 take out all the things dealing with premarital sex. He would take out all 369 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.880 the things dealing with the things that he doesn't want to do. Why would 370 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.400 he write the very book that he rebels against. It's not in the voice 371 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.640 of man, it's in the voice of God. K f I A M 372 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.200 six forty on demand