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We talk about cheating a lot on
the show. As a matter of fact,

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right now, as we're recording this, in the background on the radio

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station, there is a War of
the Roses episode Plane. Earlier this morning,

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we talked about Andrew, and I
know you've heard about Andrew a lot.

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Andrew was cheating with a woman at
work and blah blah blah. So

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is there a double standard? And
we've talked about this a little bit before.

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When a guy cheats, he's an
awful, terrible, terrible pig and

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he should have his life ruined.
But when a woman cheats, sometimes it's

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kind of celebrated. Not always,
but let me tell you what I mean

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right now. So, I know
somebody who knows somebody. So a friend

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of a friend. She's married,
not particularly happy, but not unhappy enough

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to get a divorce. He just
never pays any attention to her. He's

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always off doing something else. So
she met somebody at work. She's been

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banging this guy four or five or
six times and they continue to do it.

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And she has told him this is
not do not he's married too,

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do not leave your wife. I
am this is just for fun. And

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he's like, oh, I'm getting
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she's kind of pushed him on the
back burner. Now she's sleeping with another

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guy and her friend, who is
a wonderful professional woman with kids. She's

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like kind of celebrating it, like, you know what, good for you?

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Yeah, go get your freak on. You're not getting sex from your

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husband, Go do your thing.
Just be careful. Is there a double

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standard because as a guy, I
don't think I know any guys who I

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know are cheating and are proud of
it or expect me to go, yeah,

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dude, you go get that ass, because I never would. You

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know, what do you think,
Jenny? I think that it's hard for

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me to say because my life experience
has not evolved knowing many married people who

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are cheating. Okay, So it's
very hard for me to pass judgment on

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either men or women in that situation
right now because I do not honestly know

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people who have done that. Okay, But I would say that you find

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sympathy usually with your girlfriends. So
girlfriends are going to like sympathize with their

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other girlfriends and feel bad for them
if they hear about like this awful relationship

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that they're in. So you're just
going to like automatically think your friend most

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likely is not a super horrible person
because that's your friend, and you know

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everything about that. And that's right
that you said it all because you know

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everything about them, you know that
they're a wonderful person that's having an affair

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or that's slept with somebody else besides
their husband. But I think this like

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with Andrew, that nobody liked Andrew
because nobody knew anything about him, Yeah,

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except that he is cheating with a
twenty five year old. Yeah.

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So I mean when we had that
one girl on who she didn't know if

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she was going to be having a
child with either her husband or her or

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the limo driver or the limo driver, and people brought her to judgment for

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that. I think people were like, that's so sketchy, like you should

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tell your husband, and she was
just waiting to see how the baby came

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out in case because the limo driver
was a different race. And so I

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think people do judge, But I
also think that people base their judgment off

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of their life experience. So if
they know people who have cheated, if

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they've cheated themselves, then they're more
sympathetic. I think it's true, But

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I really like what you said.
If I know more about you than that

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you're just a cheater. It's kind
of like the reason we hate people in

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a road rate road rays incident is
because the only thing we know about them

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is they cut us off. We
don't know that they are a wonderful mother

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and a great sister, or that
their mom has cancer all we know.

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So I think when people like categorize
make a blanket statement about this person is

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a horrible person because they cheated,
it is because you don't know anything about

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them except that. But you know
your friends. So my friend that knows

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her friend that's cheating knows that she's
wonderful, educated, professional, good mother,

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et cetera, et cetera. All
right, let's move on. We

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got a lot of questions we got
to catch up too, so let's go

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back a couple of days. This
is kind of funny. I couldn't help

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myself. I listened to the two
sisters about the fishnet stocking tattoos. The

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story was basically, there was two
sisters on the phone. They're both six

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foot tall, they both had long, lovely legs, and they're both very

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proud of them and one sister wanted
to get full leg fishnet stocking tattoos.

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The other one said, you're crazy. We both have beautiful legs. You're

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twenty four, don't mess this up. My tattoo story nineteen ninety seven.

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I was freshly eighteen and a group
of girls from high school set out to

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get tattoos together. What an adventure, I told my mom. I'm going

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to get a bumblebee. Okay,
cool. Fast forward to the day of

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the tattoo. This was before the
internet. So we go to the tattoo

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parlor. You flipped through a large
book and you pick the one you like

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best. To my dismay, there
was no bumblebee. So I got the

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closest thing, a hornet. Happy
with my selection, I went home showed

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it to my mom and she said, that's not a fucking bumblebee. That's

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a hornet, and when you're forty
years old, it's going to be a

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goddamn condor. Oh. I was
so sad she didn't like it. Anyway,

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time has gone on, and for
my fortieth birthday, I decided to

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get my tattoos redone because of fading
and changing trends. Needless to say,

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my hornet is now a bumble me
and my mom likes it very much,

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even though it never turned into a
condor. Thanks for having a great morning

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show, Lacy, Lacy, thanks
for a great story. That's funny.

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That's not a fucking bumblebee. That's
a hornet. Okay, that's funny.

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All right, Moving back to another
one that goes back a couple of days.

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We're doing a little catch up here, Morning show crew. Dave,

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you wrote a book, so it's
mostly directed at you, but would love

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Jenny's thoughts as well. I lost
my mom two years ago. She was

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my best friend, and her death, the entire process of grief has knocked

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me off my feet. The level
of grief is something you can't comprehend until

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it happens to you. I'm so
sorry to hear about that. Even two

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years later, it still will hurt. It'll hurt forever. You'll never quite

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get over that loss. You'll learn
to deal with it. I'm an avid

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reader, and I searched for books
to help me try and understand griefs shortly

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after my mom passed. Most I
found were self help books, religious books,

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journal prompts. None that really worked
for me. I didn't find any

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literature on an ugly side of grief
that I found myself dealing with lack of

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support from friends. Besides liking a
picture that I posted my mom on social

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media, there's really no follow through
or checking up on how I'm doing from

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people who are really close to me. Minus those initial first week when people

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send food and flowers. It all
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and people move on with their lives. That's really sad. Yeah, I

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think a lot of the time we
don't know what to say, or you

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haven't experienced what she's going through.
Yes, with that being said, I

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was so lost those first few months
after losing her. I started writing all

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that I was experiencing with grief and
loss, and continued to write today two

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years later. If I really sat
down and worked on this, I could

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see becoming a book, the type
of book I would have loved to had

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had access to after I lost my
mom. So here is the title and

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the name of the chapters. I
have title my Mom Died Now What and

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elder Millennials first year navigating grief learning
it really sucks? Plus insight on how

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we can do better supporting people we
love. I love the title. I

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think your descriptive little sidebars too long. But I do like the idea of

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a descriptive sidebar, but I'm not
an expert. Table of contents. The

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ship, they don't tell you.
Two when the shock wears off, Three

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the little things. Four, Friends
and family will disappoint you. Five,

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there's no such thing as closure.
Six go to therapy, find a support

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group. What now here are my
questions? Without being able to read the

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book? So I know it's hard
to say. Does this concept sound like

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something people would be interested in?
Please be honest, one hundred percent yes.

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If you couldn't find the book that
worked for you, there's probably a

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lot of other people that can't find
the book that works for them, and

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the work is a weird thing to
define, Like, is there a book

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that will make you go I'm okay, no, absolutely not. I've done

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basic Google searches on how to publish
a book, how to search for an

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Asian and editors. But I wanted
to know if you Dave had had any

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insight that you share on how to
get your book out there and certain steps

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that work for you. Longtime fan
and listener, Hope this wasn't too long.

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I will end with the obligatory dart
lick, so you know it's real.

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I finding a publisher that will pay
for everything is extremely difficult, especially

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for a first time writer. It
does happen, but I would what I

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did. I paid to publish my
book. I paid out of my own

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pocket to publish my book, and
I will my next two books as well.

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I went to a company called wise
Ink I n K look them up

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online. They will walk you through
everything. It's not free and it's not

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cheap, but they will come up
with a remarkable finished product. I'm going

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to tell you that this also,
don't think you're going to quit your job

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and become a traveling touring author,
because you're not likely to have that happen.

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Get a couple of hundred book copies
published, and don't plan on making

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any money off of it. So
don't let anybody talk you into having five

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thousand copies published. You will sell
a couple hundred. It will sit in

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your basement. But they can help
you market, get your book into bookstores,

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help you with social media. Why
and it's not a plug. They're

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not giving me anything free. Whys
inc I n K talk to Dara and

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her team at wise inc. They're
wonderful and so good. Yeah, okay,

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next one, how are we doing
for time? Jenny? Were doing

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okay, yeah, we got some
time? Okay, good. I will

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pose a question to you all.
I'm the friend of my group. While

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everybody has started to settled down to
get married, my love life is a

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disaster. So basically, they want
to do a social media presence starting on

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TikTok insta Facebook YouTube about my funny
dating stories. But I want to be

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respectful of the women that I meet. I'll never use names, obviously,

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but I still worry I'll let something
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to be safe, I just avoid
those stories altogether. But I want to

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know would this make a good another
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book? I'm not as high on
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everybody has got funny dating stories,
and we all think, Jared,

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I love you, they are funny, I'm sure, but we all think

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our dating stories are hysterical and a
lot of the time they're funny, but

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they're not something that I would read
in a book. But I don't know

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any thoughts on this, Jenny.
So they have a bunch of funny dating

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stories. They want to make a
book out of it. I think going

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to social media route is your best
bet because people your best Oh yeah,

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people live for the TikTok stories about
bad dates. I sit and watch some,

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and I'm very much taken in a
happy relationship and I'm not in that

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world at all anymore. So I
think that the social media route it is

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definitely the way that you should go. I think a lot of people are

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entertaining. The one thing, though, is you got to keep your stories

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to the point. Because when I
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there's a little bar on the bottom
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to be. Yes, if I
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half minutes long, that's too long. And I know that you might need

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that long to tell your story because
that's how wild the date was, but

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it's just too long. You have
to concise it. You got to cut

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out some of the meat of it, even though you think that it's important

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for the story. It's so funny
because we love when people call the show

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and we love when people tell stories
on the show. But once in a

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while we'll get somebody who will tell
a story something like this. So I

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had a date with this guy.
His name was Carl. Well, his

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nickname was Carl because he loved Carl
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so he loved the Vikings. And
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five minutes late. So he comes
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first of all, he's acting.
Jenny and I are looking at each other

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like, holy fuck, get to
the fucking point. We want to know

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what happened. We don't care about
his nickname, right, but people,

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it's Jenny and I tell stories for
a living, so we kind of know

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what to cut out. And you
would be amazed at the ship you can

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cut out of a story and still
make it a powerful story. So I'm

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going to give you an example of
a very short story, but I could

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make it a really long story if
I wanted to. I was driving in

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Phoenix. I owned a Porsche.
At the time, I spent way too

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much money on my car. I
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a big semi truck and I got
pulled over. The cop drew his gun

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on me and told me get out
of the car. I'm like, what

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the fuck whatever he thinks I did, I didn't do. He made me

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put my hands up on the hood
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cops came screeching in the parking lot, putting their guns away. They thought

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that I was part of a stolen
Porsche ring because the truck I was following

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was full of stolen Porsches. So
they thought. Now I told that story

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and maybe thirty is seconds I could, and it was still good. I

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could have told it with a few
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bit better. But what I didn't
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that I was driving on, whether
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Were you speeding, were you not
speeding? Was that what was going through

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your head? Like, Oh,
he could have pulled me over for speeding.

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Maybe I ran this spread light.
That's exactly true. Yeah, so

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again, I mean, and I
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you are telling a story, there's
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story, and what you can do
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the details. So anyway, let's
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same age. Facebook was just emerging
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I remember thinking I don't get it, I'm not interested. So I

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just joined Facebook this year. Okay, says this person. I joined a

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group for parents of children with autism. The group allows you to ask questions

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and have autistic adults respond. The
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While I posted a question and it
was misrepresented or misinterpreted by one person who

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said the famous internet words educate yourself
among the things, which made me feel

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sick to my stomach and upset me
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accepting my own child. The whole
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educate myself. I'm trying to understand
from autistic individuals. I responded to the

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individual that, in fairness, I
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likely to get things wronger ask things
in the wrong way. But that's why

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I'm asking, is to learn.
That is my first and last experience with

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posting to social media as an adult. I know, shake it off,

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it's a stranger, but look how
much they're common affected me. Yeah,

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it does, and you are not
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better how much negative impact of social
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and teens. While there are trolls
out there, even well intended questions and

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messages can be interpreted, leading to
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not healthy. I'm glad I didn't
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social media. I hear you guys
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social media. I don't know how
you do it being public figures of the

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amount of trolls. Keep up the
good work you do and focus on the

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positive. Thanks from Joe. I'm
sorry you went through that. Some of

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the most famous words on the internet
are educate yourself, which means come around

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to my opinion, and I also, yeah, that's exactly what it means.

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I was saying. Also, I
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those words are people who they themselves
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true, and we get once in
a while somebody will send a really shitty

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comment to the show and I'll write
back and say something like, now say

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something nice, and a lot of
the time you go, oh, I'm

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sorry, you know what I should
have said, you know what, I

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love you guys, whatever, But
sometimes people just want to be shitty,

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and they just there's there are trolls, but it is totally normal to be

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really affected and hurt by one troll. Lord, okay this it says,

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Hello, BFFs, Can I vent
for a minute. I'm a nurse and

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sometimes patients frustrate the hell out of
me. When we're asking you, the

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patient, if there's a history of
something in your family. We don't care

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how severe it is or if you
take meds for it. We just want

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to know if there's a fucking history. Wow, Okay, I like this.

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And when we tell you we're only
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your grandparents, or siblings or children. We don't want to know about your

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aunts and uncles, So and so's
sister. Answer my questions and let me

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get the fuck out of the room
so the doctor can come in and talk

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to you. I love this so
much that this person is ranting and getting

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this off their chest. I don't
get paid enough to listen all your other

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bullshit people. When you go to
the doctor, most questions are yes or

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no. Please don't adding any extra
information on that. Thank you, Love

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you guys. Really enjoying the new
setup. Way to go, Dave,

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Jenny Drake. You guys have a
great thing and going your friend, Patty

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dart lick, dart lick, dart
lick, Oh three dark wow, aggressive

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Patty. I have to say that
I love my dad to death, love

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him, but what my sister had
her stroke this summer. He was bringing

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in so much random family history stuff
that I know had nothing to do with

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the situation at hand, and the
poor nurse. My older sister and I

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sat and tried to like veer the
conversation in the direction and it needed to

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go. And my dad just does
not shut up sometimes, Well what do

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you do? For example, Well, he was talking about my uncle,

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and maybe that does have something to
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my uncle having a heart attack,
and I just don't know that there is

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a correlation between what my sister was
going through and my uncle having a heart

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attack at a young age. My
uncle also was a raging alcoholic most of

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his life. I think a lot
of his health problems had to do without

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He did become sober the last five
ten years of his life, but I

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think a lot of it had to
do with that. And then my mom

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also was there, and my parents
don't exactly get along, So then she

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was getting frustrated too, and I
felt bad for the poor nurse talking to

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us the whole time, just sitting
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And so I was like, let's
just stick to the point here of

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what we need to know with my
sister. Let's not go into the other

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family history. Let's see. You
know what, the way you describe your

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dad that kind of sounds like I've
heard you and Fallon describe your dad's enough

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that it kind of doesn't surprise me, like when I describe something that Donna

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did and it doesn't really surprise you. Good information, Patty. So when

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you go to the doctor and they
say, is there a history of high

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blood pressure in your family? You
don't have to talk about Yeah, my

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great uncle on my dad's side.
Yeah, you talk about your parents whatever,

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answer yes or no questions. Sorry. I thought my cough was getting

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better. I know it has been. This is like the first time I've

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really heard it in the last two
days. You know what's funny is when

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I think about it, it's worse. Yeah. It's like my friend Curtis,

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He's like he texted me the other
days like, how's your cough?

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And I immediately started coughing when he
asked me that question. Last email,

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and I love this one. We'll
wrap it with this one. Although we

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did not get to a fue we'll
try to get to tomorrow. I was

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listening to the Minnesota Goodbye driving my
twelve year old daughter to horseback because I

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am Father of the Year. Well, she asked me what dart lick meant

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and I realized, oh, yeah, she's in the vehicle. I had

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to tell her that you play darts
every week and you have a superstition that

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when you licked the tip of the
dart before you throw it, you get

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better accuracy. I think we're gonna
have to listen to the Minnesota Goodbye podcast

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when my kids are not in the
vehicle. L L, let me tell

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you something. Pat on the back
to you, dad for coming up with

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such a believable lie to cover your
tracks while your daughter's in the car.

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You know what you are, Dad
of the Year, So good for you.

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That is it for now. Thank
you for listening to the Minnesota Goodbye.

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I think we went a little along
today. We had some extra stuff,

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but we are a little bit short
on email, so I'd love to

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hear what you think. Talk about
cheating, talk about whether women are more

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forgiving of other women, whether you're
more forgiving of someone for doing anything if

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you know that. For example,
if you see somebody who carjack somebody,

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you're like, throw the book at
him, lock them up. But if

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you know that they're a wonderful person
and that they that's a bad example.

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I can't think of a carjack or
as ever being a wonderful person, but

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you get what I'm saying. Maybe
somebody who shoplifted, somebody who went into

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Target and shoplifted a bunch of tide
pods, you're like, oh, they're

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an asshole. But if you know
them and you know that they were just

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so tired of being broke they couldn't
even afford laundry soap, then you start

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to you know what I mean.
So any thoughts on that sindals to me

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to Ryan Show at k DWB dot
com, and thank you for listening to

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the Minnesota Goodbye,

