1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:10,400 Welcome to softcore History. Welcome back to softcore History. I'm your host for 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,000 the week Damn Chester. Now I'm joined as always by Rob Fox and Jake 3 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:19,920 Goldman. What is up? Boys? Whoo? I'm fucking lit. I 4 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:24,559 that was me bringing the energy. I'm probably halfway through my life based on 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,480 us life expectancy for men. Did you get that stat today? And just 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,799 you've been pondering it? It was my birthday yesterday? Was it really? 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,600 Yeah? Oh my god? So I'm thirty eight. Yeah, I know 8 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:38,880 we texted them. I didn't. I forgot your birthday. Man, I'm 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,719 sorry. Yeah, it's just a little too late for us at it to 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,039 kind of address it. At this point, I through half my life. 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,679 I'm halfway to seventy six and seventy seven the lifespan, make it seventy six. 12 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:54,719 I feel really bad. I forgot your birthday, So I'm half Look 13 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:58,159 what i I'm half. I'm it's half over. I would say like four 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,159 fifths over. It's half. I mean no, genetically, I'm good to 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,840 go. All my grandparents lived in their nineties, so you're like not even 16 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:10,000 halfway then, But I feel like, just statistically I'm halfway. M what 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,519 does that do for you? I just feel sad. Well. According to 18 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,799 Ross's doctor, something might be wrong with you. Yeah, he had a 19 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:23,680 pissing a cup for Ross, and Ross's doctor had to have a talk with 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:30,680 him about drinking. What serious? Apparently, No, this is dead serious. 21 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,599 You pat an issue? You peed for someone else. Yeah, and 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,640 then they popped for alcohol, even though he didn't drink the night before. 23 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:45,760 I guess it was just concerning levels, oh, like actual blood alcohol level. 24 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:49,000 No, No, like he was just concerned that my pea was weird. 25 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:52,359 Oh, it was like you you must drink several nights a week. 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,400 It was like Billy Rubin. Apparently I feel fine. Did I schedule a 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,319 doctor's appointment because of that? Yes? But I feel fine. I mean, 28 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:06,000 holistically speaking, it's how you feel. That's yeah, I feel great. 29 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:10,080 Jake spent the weekend gardening. I did. I shoveled a ton of 30 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:17,439 crushed limestone over three days and like fucked on a bulch. What's funny is 31 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,400 like the least leisurely fucking weekend of all it was amazing, some hard labor. 32 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,319 You just throwing a pod and like, you just shovel that stone, 33 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:31,039 dude, mm hmm What's funny is Rob brought up that his life is almost 34 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,680 over m hm. And we're starting to get to that age where you kind 35 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,759 of question, is this it is this what I'm gonna end up doing? 36 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:46,000 Yeah, I'm there. I can't even look at myself. It's just like 37 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:47,240 huh, like, oh, I guess we're gonna what is that? What 38 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:51,479 is it? No country for old event if the road you chose led you 39 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,840 to hear, what was the point of the road? Man? Big vibes, 40 00:02:54,039 --> 00:03:00,240 That's that's podcasting in a nutshell. Everyone's vibes just just fucking kill me. 41 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,479 Put that. Don't even make me flip the coin. I just like 42 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,439 just putting my forehead out to the fucking cattle thing. Just swallow it, 43 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:15,919 like just to eat the coin and deep throughout the shatka. Yeah ah man, 44 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,240 that's how we start. That's how we start here at Softcore History, 45 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,360 Great Energy. Yep. I'm not even gonna promote our patreon Patreon dot COM's 46 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,479 Last Softcore History. You can check it out on your own. We have 47 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:30,879 two additional episodes every week. I'm not here to promote that though, I'm 48 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,479 here to just talk about when you reach a certain point in your life and 49 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,599 you think it's a good idea to maybe kind of change the vibe. Maybe 50 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,919 go for it hard reset, like hard reset. Are we talking like ritual 51 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,280 precipism here, No, we're talking about picking up everything you own and moving 52 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:55,680 your family. Oh just half of America or just yourself most Americans. We're 53 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:01,240 talking about migration for the most part. That's what this episode's about. Softwore 54 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,960 History listeners know obviously because they clicked on the episode. They have the title, 55 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,280 they have the description. I hate that they know before we do. 56 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:13,000 Yeah, I don't know what's what the fuck's going on? Yeah, my 57 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:15,360 guess there's gonna be a twist. And you're talking about people who migrated extremely 58 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:20,680 violently, not like colon like American colonialism violent lit but like Mongolian violent, 59 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,439 or people that were like literally shot out of a campus in a different country. 60 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,720 No, we're talking about people that were doing pretty well that decided, 61 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,519 you know what, this isn't good enough. Okay, who were talking about 62 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,480 We're talking about some pioneers that went west. All right, Oh nice, 63 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,959 but they were already good to go. Yeah, we're specifically talking about the 64 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,399 Donner Party. The Donner Party, you hear about this. You know about 65 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:50,519 this. I've heard vaguely about them. They are not like the Funnest Party. 66 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,639 No, it sounds like a terrible time, bad vibes. It started 67 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:02,480 out well but kind of fell off a cliff pretty quick. Yeah, I'm 68 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,839 excited. In fact, let's just get into it. Why you know, 69 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:12,879 let's get the pleasantries. Did we get it? It has been pleasant so 70 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,120 far, much like this entire migration west. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 71 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,120 I just thought like you brought it up naturally. I'm like, fuck everything 72 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,560 else, let's just get into it. Yeah. Whatever, death is inevitable. 73 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,399 Yeah, and life wasn't that great? Oh man, I'm really sorry 74 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:30,040 I didn't say happy birthday to you. Dude. I'm really feeling it now. 75 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:31,240 I missed my opportunity. I can't do it. I'll do it next 76 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:34,120 year. Yeah. I don't want it from either of you. Now you 77 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:39,040 have three hundred and sixty four day. Oh bad, Jake. I'm allowed 78 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:41,319 to feel what I want. My feelings are valid. I guess you were 79 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,240 too busy shoveling limestone. I really want Limestone's more important than your friend. 80 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:49,720 Rab Well. I couldn't close my gate. I had so much livered it 81 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:54,120 was spilling out onto the sidewalk and in my backyard at the same time to 82 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:00,519 close my tear ducks. Oh at least you can cry, you there. 83 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Oh that's stupid. You can feel emotion. Actually, I don't feel bad 84 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:10,920 for that. Yeah, that's what that's you do. Indescribable pain feeding nothing 85 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,920 at all. No, it's not that I have a friend though, that 86 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:15,160 can physically not cry. Oh that's funny. Just dry heaves out of his 87 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,360 eyes. She does. Yeah, Oh that's hilarious. It's not hilarious, 88 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:24,240 just physically the tear ducks don't produce. This is tears. No, but 89 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:27,279 I don't know. I stay wet, looks sad. Uh not well, 90 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,600 she has to have eyedrops constantly. Oh that sounds rough. It's not great. 91 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:39,120 No, no, and much like this party led by George at the 92 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,720 time, who was sixty George and Jacob who was fifty six, his brother 93 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:46,560 Donner, and an Irish immigrant friend named James Reid. I bet I know 94 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,480 screwed it all up, but I know who they ate first. Fucking no 95 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:57,639 kidding, you're not far off. Maybe you're not right either, okay he 96 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:02,839 was second. No, you're not right. They were farmers in Springfield, 97 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:09,759 Illinois make a pretty good living. I've been to Springfield. It's grim. 98 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:13,600 Yeah, but this is like eighteen forty six, all right, Oh wow, 99 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:17,560 So maybe they met Abe Lincoln. Damn. Maybe just two ships passing 100 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,959 the night. Yeah, Like Abe Lincoln's buying a thing from a general store 101 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,199 there in line behind them. It's like, oh man, that guy's be 102 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,519 present one day and we're gonna eat each other crazy. We're gonna be two 103 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,720 of the most famous Americans from this time period. For entirely different reasons. 104 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,519 This is less two ships passing the night and more a ship passing a fucking 105 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:42,279 plane on fire tail spinning. So they packed up shop left Springfield in April 106 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,680 fourteenth, eighteen forty six, with an initial group of thirty one people, 107 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,560 mostly consistent of kids under ten. Oo little bodies for a lot of labor, 108 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,720 out of bodies, a lot of little ones for a lot of toddlers. 109 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,800 But for some reason they're just like, yeah, Springfield, Illinois, 110 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:03,959 we want more. You know. It's funny about that. By the way, 111 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:07,560 they just you just peaked something like in my mind. But they left 112 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,079 the day, not the year of the day, but the day Lincoln was 113 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,399 shot. Really Lincoln was killed in our shot. He didn't die in April 114 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:20,879 fourteen, but John Wilkes Booth shot it on April fourteen. Weird, It's 115 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,439 almost like it is crazy. He didn't die that day. Shot him with 116 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:26,279 the point blank in the fucking head. It was a little baby gun though, 117 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:31,160 yea, and those things they didn't pack. The punch still in the 118 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:33,639 head. I want to see you take it. I'll take it strong. 119 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,399 You probably probably woudn't even hurt now. Our bones are so much thicker, 120 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,480 Yeah, the skulls are. You do not think you think baby will get 121 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:45,600 tougher? What it was like the equivalent of a baby gun? A baby 122 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,399 gun? I mean if you didn't put enough powder in there. Yeah it 123 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,559 was. I think it was a flint lock pistol like it. But I 124 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,480 mean they did have revolvers then and with cartrigizenship, but I believe he used 125 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,840 a flint. He was the thespian he was going old. Had to be. 126 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Yeah, it had to be ornate, stupid thing, yeah, with 127 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:01,360 like an description on it. It was um. They of course made their 128 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:07,440 way to the Queen City, Independence, Missouri. M h, you've been 129 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:13,840 into Kansas City. I believe it's gross. Give me the top outside of 130 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:20,639 Saint Louis in Kansas City and Columbia. Give me the top. How did 131 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Queen City not become a free because everybody took off from this location? Or 132 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,759 yeah, like or Independence, Missouri? How did it not become bigger? 133 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,720 Yeah? I don't know. It's kind of part of Kansas City if I 134 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,120 recall correctly, Like it's basically let me let me look it up again. 135 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,080 It I'm I really want an answer to the question. I was gearing the 136 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:41,879 three best cities, and is that why they're called the Kansas City Royals? 137 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:46,080 Uh? No, that has to do with beef, that's yeah. Independence 138 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,799 is in is metro casey, it's the royals in Queen City. That would 139 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,960 make sense. That's It's not why it has to do with it has to 140 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,080 be processing plan or something. Yeah, that makes sense. Three best cities 141 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,279 that aren't Columbia, Saint Louis or Kansas City or any Branson and brand keep 142 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,120 kind of maybe. I don't even fuck Silver Dollar City. It really falls 143 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,679 off a cliff aft. That's where you take your family for vacation. It's 144 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,799 interesting. I that's I've never really thought about anything other than those three cities, 145 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,039 so you do a little fishing. You see yakof Smeirnoff. Did you 146 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,320 really did you go to Branson? Yeah? When I was like ten, 147 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,000 that was when I've never even been to Branson. We've talked about before. 148 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:28,600 I was terrified of going to Branton. My family would save up for like 149 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,480 a yearly vacation. It would always be the most random spots. Did you 150 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,879 have to go? Did you go like Valley Forge? I live by Valley 151 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:39,799 Forge. No, you probably went to Williamsburg, Colonial Williamsburg. No. 152 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,879 Well, Valley Forge though, is right by h King of Presham Mall. 153 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:48,759 Is it? That's the place where like all the ridiculous attractions right Valley Forge. 154 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,960 I actually my friend who got married in Philadelphia, like a military academy 155 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,559 there. She got married right near Valley Forge and King of Presham Mall as 156 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,720 well in like a colonial well on a colonial estate, but not in the 157 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,399 home or whatever. Am I thinking of Pigeon Valley? Maybe Pigeon Forge? 158 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,120 That's not Georgia. What's the one with the dumb attraction roadside attractions all over 159 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,559 it? That's probably Pigeon Ford. I think it's the place in Kentucky or 160 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,159 not Kentucky, Tennessee where Dolly Parton's uh thean Bark is Dollywood Dollywood. Yeah, 161 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,000 but it is also kind of like there is a bunch of I've been 162 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,360 to a place in Tennessee that has a bunch of dumb shit like that, 163 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,320 but all the cabins everything. I think it's it's not Pigeon Forge, but 164 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,600 it's something similar. Pigeon Forge is Georgia because there's a Twitter account it's like 165 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,519 fake and it always brags about it's like a coat three year letterman or whatever. 166 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,080 Yeah, that Twitter account always brags about having a vacation spot and pitch 167 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,639 or just like going on vacation to Pigeonforge, like it's like badass. Yeah, 168 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,240 that's definitely it. Then yeah, yeah, gladly established all this. 169 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,480 So they leave Independance, Missouri a little wait because they get there late, 170 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,720 so kind of what are they supposed to do? Live there for a year? 171 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,080 No exactly, but they had to leave earlier. Get your ass on 172 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,639 the road. Yeah. Also Queen City taken. But I'm saying the standard 173 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,960 deadline to leave usually for the West round April, like late April, right, 174 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,519 you want to do it in the summer, you gotta get there before 175 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,840 it gets cold. Yeah. They get there and leave May twelfth on the 176 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,639 last caravan out, last train out. It's not the best train to be 177 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,240 on. Cincinnati is the queen City, by the way, Why is it 178 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,559 called Yeah, but Independence was called the Queen City. I know, I'm 179 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,799 sure it is, but it got overshadowed by the bigger queen city, Cincinnati. 180 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Cincinnati bigger, I don't know than KC, but certainly then Independence. 181 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Yeah, but Independence at this point is like suburban Kansas City. First few 182 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:48,879 weeks were somewhat pleasant. Everyone was in a good mood, initially taking in 183 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,320 nature, singing songs, dancing, fucking May and June, having beautiful, 184 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,480 beautiful weather, having games, immaculate vibes. Yeah. There was about fifty 185 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:03,559 wagons the party, but uh, James Reid's wagons were a little different. 186 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,159 He spent a little extra coin on them. They were custom built and there 187 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:13,279 were two stories with beds on the top, layer entrances on the side like 188 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:16,320 a stagecoach. Damn, he had like a rolling hotel. He was a 189 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,799 baller. Yeah. The rest of the wagons grew to resent Reed and his 190 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,639 wagons, as they were not only a flash of wealth to the rest of 191 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:30,480 the migrants, but also pretty bulky and slow and required more oxen. That's 192 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:33,440 really funny, like, asshole, we're trying to get here fast. Yeah. 193 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,519 Also that is dumb, like you're not gonna live in your wagon at 194 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,960 the end of the journey. You're really blowing all the money on the fucking 195 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,440 wagon, on the whip, not the crib. Fucking Irish. On May 196 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,480 twenty sixth, they reached the Big Blue River in Kansas. Man, you 197 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:58,120 guys are someone names out in the Midwest induced to that due to recent heavy 198 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,480 rain, it raised the body of water by twenty feet And if anyone who 199 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,519 plays orgon trail, this is essentially just Oregon trail. Yeah, you don't 200 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,399 want to try to float A you can't ford that river, and B you 201 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,639 don't want to try to float it. So you got to either find a 202 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,840 fucking ferry or wait or die. By the way, they're trying to go 203 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,159 to California, I A okay, not a Yeah. They spend a few 204 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,679 days on the banks building rafts to navigate the river with their wagons and belongings. 205 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,840 Unfortunately, a member of the party, Sarah Keys, died of tuberculosis 206 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,240 on May twenty ninth classic that reminds me of I don't know if you guys 207 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,919 are old enough to have done this, but did you guys have like organ 208 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:43,879 trail in your in your classroom computers when you're Yeah, we had the floppy 209 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:46,399 disk yep, okay, cool, so we did too, obviously, And 210 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,639 a really fun thing that you do is just like obviously there's not multiplayer and 211 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,440 organ trail, but in your friends, you and your buddy each on a 212 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,639 computer right next to each other, you just do a race to see who 213 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,639 can get to organ the fastest. But like also for some reason, instead 214 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,639 we wouldn't name it after sometimes we name to our friends. But we were 215 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,679 also just like like I had a buddy who was just like so horny, 216 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:11,759 just like it's like like you know, puberty was seeing him early and he 217 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:15,960 was just like the horniest person a lot point. He was just like named 218 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,000 them like Pam Anderson and like yas mean bleathe and like Britney Spears, like 219 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:24,799 everyone was just or whatever who was hot by just like a Christina Aguilera, 220 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:26,799 I was just in the wagon. So it would just be like Christina Aguilera 221 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,840 had died of dysentery and he'd be like, no, Christina, Christina, 222 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,159 It's like, dude's what happens when you go to grueling pace. It's true, 223 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,399 especially when you have these read wagons. Hunting was so hard in that 224 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,399 fucking game. Well, the whole point. If you really wanted to beat 225 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:45,600 Organ Trail, you just get bullets. You don't need anything else. It's 226 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,559 just stack bullets. Always have food. They really should, though, have 227 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:54,879 a thing where it's like the fairy costs twenty dollars. It's like, would 228 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:56,519 you like to pay the ferry man or stick him up and bake him? 229 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,600 Oh, take care, Blood Meridian Trail, We're gonna do it that way. 230 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:04,840 It's Red Dead Trail, Red Dead Trail, yeah, or any real 231 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,759 Western trail where his skin where the fairyman's skin, Like, yeah, I 232 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,000 just don't know what blood Meridian is. So that's that one book that Jake 233 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,240 reads, book I've ever read. Yeah, Like, I don't know how 234 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,720 many people are gonna get that reference. They specifically hijack a fairy, the 235 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,879 Cormac McCarthy novel that they like, the famous one that they have not made 236 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,960 a movie. It would be just it would be just endless scenes of violence. 237 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,080 That's why. It's just like you'd be proud of me, Jake. 238 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,279 I finally got a book this year. Well book you reading? I got 239 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,679 a Charles Bukowski book. Oh cool? I hate him, bro. You 240 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:49,039 know what his headstone says, don't try that. He fucked dude. We 241 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:55,679 really need to stop being such stereotypical podcasters. You're reading Cormack McCarthy. He's 242 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,600 Readingski that piece of Ship. His whole thing is like, find something you 243 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:02,320 love and let it kill you. It's like you just loved yourself, dickhead. 244 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,960 I'm fine with that. Fair enough, Rob, fine, I'll change 245 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,640 my interests for you. So they gave Sarah Keys a proper funeral, and 246 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,599 they decided to cross the river two days later. They only brought enough food 247 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,319 for a four month journey, which was optimistic to reach California in such a 248 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,920 short period of time. They essentially did not account for any misapps along the 249 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,480 way. That's so smart. But they accounted for a two story wagon, 250 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,599 but nothing else could go wrong. They wanted more room in the wagon for 251 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:42,160 their personal things. Why would anything go wrong? I love that attitude. 252 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:49,440 Planning for failure is planning to fail. Yes, I think it's the other 253 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,000 way around. If you have a plan B, it means your plan is 254 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,160 not gonna work. Planning for plan to fail, it's failed to plan, 255 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,640 plan to fail. No go plan failed the plan. Now it's planned to 256 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,640 fail, plan to fail. Yeah, it's planned to fail, plan to 257 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,880 fail. Think about it a stroke. Now, I don't know what's happening. 258 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,960 They had about one hundred. They weren't confident enough. No, I'm 259 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,319 just saying they weren't confident. They didn't use their reality distortion fields. You 260 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,160 know, they had about one hundred and fifty pounds of flour and seventy five 261 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,799 pounds of meat for each person, and rations of rice, beans and core 262 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,480 meal. How do they not have enough food? They pick up more people? 263 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:37,400 Oh no, it's so dumb. So they're planning for the best case 264 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,119 scenario. Then they're like, hey, that's like it's like you're you're driving 265 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:48,240 across the country and someone has calculated exactly how much money you need for exactly 266 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:52,119 how much gas you need for the amount of people in the car and the 267 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,200 weight of the car, and what the wind and weather is going to be. 268 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,880 And then you're like, hey, I like a couple couple of hitch 269 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,519 hikers cook at the obese hitchhiker in right now, he's breaking his sway, 270 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:03,079 he's gonna drop that. We gotta get him in here. Yeah. No, 271 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,279 I I can't imagine being this stupid. No, but you also need 272 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:14,839 protection. You're going against like natives, the wild. Yeah, and all 273 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,799 you brought was toddlers. Really grown men, these people are. We have 274 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,160 established on this show that if all of us and our families had to go, 275 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,079 you would just start chucking my toddler? Is that wild baby baby? 276 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:33,000 The first time we heard a bush russell? So it's clearly you think toddlers 277 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:41,960 have some use on the trail. Two miles out of Saint Louis later, 278 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,240 Rory, sorry, I'm just thinking of me and Dan on a wagon with 279 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:51,640 like thirty toddlers. Like the second we see we're just like, yo, 280 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,960 out you're gone. One of you, the weakest get out. In June, 281 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,759 the party reached Fort Laramie, Wyoming, a week late. They were 282 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:08,359 worn several times about the new untested Hastens cutoff route, but they're like, 283 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:15,720 yo, this shortcut is gonna save us three hundred miles. I don't hate 284 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,839 it. I mean, you get on Monday morning quarterback the people that had 285 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,000 to eat each other. Wait till you hear about it. Wait till you 286 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,359 hear about this cutoff weeken all Monday morning, quarterback says twenty twenty. I 287 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,680 guess yeah. So, man by the name of James Climbing recently returned from 288 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,559 the Hastens cutoff and reported to James Reid that the path was barely passable on 289 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:48,279 foot alone, let alone or let alone wagons. Climbing said it would be 290 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,720 an impossible feat and to stick to the conventional California road. This guy's clearly 291 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:57,000 never seen a two story wagon before because those can go over anything. I 292 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,319 imagine. No, because there's tree that they have to like cut down and 293 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:07,559 take out. It's not a path. I just don't think your attitude's right 294 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:08,839 man. Okay, yeah, thats not with that attitude, you know. 295 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:15,400 Now. This was coined by Lanceford Hastens and his immigrant guide to Oregon in 296 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:22,160 California that included the shortcut. The party pretty much relied on it as gospel 297 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:27,720 because they planned on meeting up with this man to guide them through. Unfortunately 298 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,599 for them, Hastens never actually traveled the path himself. There's his travel guide, 299 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,920 though it's his travel guy, and it's gospel, and he named it 300 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:41,640 after himself, and he didn't travel on it. It's a kind of a 301 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,400 dick move man, you know. I think we found who the Hitler was 302 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,640 the first people to explore America and never been to America. I mean, 303 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,759 this is by definition confusing map for territory. Like everyone that's ever done it. 304 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,200 It's like, don't do this. Yeah, and you're like, I 305 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:56,839 got this, I read it in a book. No, I'm good. 306 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,359 Yeah. This would be his first trek through the entire path with a large 307 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,359 party in wagons, and his experience on the trail. This is like if 308 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,480 the Guy from Into the Wild was minuscule at best, Like he maybe hit 309 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,799 some parts of the trail, but he didn't do the whole thing. It's 310 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,559 like the guy from Into the Wild didn't go himself but led an entire fucking 311 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:19,440 party to the bus. Yeah, oh my god, trust me, guys, 312 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,319 these berries are sick. The Donner party planned on meeting Hastens at Fort 313 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,839 Bridger, but since they were two weeks late, Hayston's bailed and they never 314 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,599 crossed paths at the fort. Yeah, I mean, what's he supposed to 315 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,000 do? Wait? There forever? Have cell phones. Two weeks is too 316 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,160 many. Throughout their journey, they would pick up stray families and individuals to 317 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,759 beef up their numbers, like I said previously, to make up for that 318 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,559 initial split of when they got to the Fort Laramie, there was a couple, 319 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,640 a couple of people will disagree to go with the Hastens trail. Oh 320 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,200 no, we're just gonna stick with the regular route. We're gonna go the 321 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,359 well traveled road. Oh you mean the people that God favored, did he? 322 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:10,640 Yes, he favored them with intelligence and was like, hey, you 323 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,079 heard the local that said this thing is impassable. We're gonna do the thing. 324 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,000 Then the long way. We're gonna go the long way. Maybe sometimes 325 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,799 it's it's nice to check out the scenic route. This is just a classic 326 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:25,079 case of someone being like they're trying to fuck me, Like they're trying to 327 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,119 fuck me over, and you know, no one's trying to fuck you over, 328 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,279 and you end up sucking yourself over because you thinks someone's trying to fuck 329 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 So at this fourth they pick up the families, the Graves, the Breens, 330 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,000 the Murphy's, the keys Burghs, the Edies, and the mccutcheons more 331 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:44,440 Irish, along with you know, a few a few other stragglers, just 332 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:48,400 hobo anybody like, come on in. We got enough meat for none of 333 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,640 you. Yeah, oh man, you got barrel for clothes. Get in 334 00:23:52,680 --> 00:24:00,599 here. A journalist named Edward Bryant heard about the dinner party and and had 335 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,440 experience with this cutoff. He wrote letters to the fort telling them do not, 336 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,640 at any costs try to do this, please for the love of God. 337 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,720 Well, like he went up. He went down the trail and was 338 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,480 like, this isn't a trail He had through it before, and he heard 339 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,240 about this party going through. He's like, dude, no, don't not. 340 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,960 So he kept riding to the fort bridge or fort. Unfortunately, all 341 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:30,960 the letters went to Jim Bridger, who conveniently had a trading post there. 342 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,599 Jim Bridger's the wild Man, right, I have no idea he's famous. 343 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,720 Hold on, let me look him up. I'm pretty sure. Well, 344 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,240 this guy burned the letters because he thought if the Hastings cut off started to 345 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,480 pop off and became more popular, his trading posts would obviously make more money. 346 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:51,279 Right, So we threw out the letters. N the classic Well, 347 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:56,119 let's just for business. James Felix Jim Bridger was an American mountain lion trapp 348 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:03,200 or army scout and wilderness guide. I think I think that is the guy 349 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:11,960 who Brad Pitt says he's descended from in the World War two movie Fuck Quentin 350 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:18,440 Tarantino in Glorious Pastard Glorius. Yeah, man, I'm pretty sure he says 351 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,440 he's Jim Bridges descended. Interesting sounds right, I'm not gonna question you, 352 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:32,440 nor should you. No gospel. So the letters get burned. They go 353 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:37,920 down Hasten's route, Hasten's cut off, and they start finding letters from Hasten's 354 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,079 attached to Wooden Steaks. He's like, I know I bailed on you guys, 355 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,359 but uh, if you guys want to meet up later, what he's 356 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,839 just leaving them breadcrumbs of letters of invite, Like he's just like shooting him 357 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,200 texts like he ghosted them. But it's still like texting yeah, dip, 358 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,680 like his place sucks you up. Yeah. And this is when they reached 359 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:02,599 the Wassau Mountains. He wrote the road ahead was incredibly rough and it would 360 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,720 not be wise to continue down the road, but he did offer to meet 361 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,519 up with them and guide them through another path. I mean at some point 362 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,680 it's not a road, no, it's just it's a direction. You're going 363 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,839 through the wilderness. Yeah. Yeah. The Donners agreed to stay and wait 364 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,319 for Hastens. Over a week went by and Hastens never showed, so Read 365 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,799 and a few others set out themselves to find this shifty guide. But they 366 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,799 eventually found where was he. We're just kind of out in the wilderness. 367 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:36,000 It's just chilling in the woods. Yeah, he's just hang So he offers 368 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:40,599 to take them through this new, unproven path that he has never done before, 369 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,720 either the second one. But they made it through the first one. 370 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,200 No, they're not through it, okay. In the midst of it, 371 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,000 it's like he's like, I have another cooler path inside this. Like you 372 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:55,039 go to the entrance, you maybe make it like half a mile and then 373 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:56,559 he's like, you know what, this road's too tough. I got another 374 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,480 thing going, I got another thing cooking, I got another what's the iron 375 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,440 in the fire here? It's he doesn't know where the first play was anyway. 376 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,519 This is just honestly, I know that there You know people now, 377 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:12,559 people today between social media and and everything, you know, whatever, there 378 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:17,839 are a thousand different truths that people have or like this is a grifter's paradise. 379 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,839 But man, no, Ben Spent, we all love loves ever grifters. 380 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,480 There was no better time to be a grifter than Western expansion, manifest 381 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:32,680 destiny. Yeah, dude, I can't imagine any time. I mean, 382 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,200 you know, all of history's kind of a nightmare. But like, god 383 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,359 damn, it's not only you can move to a different city. It's like 384 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,759 you could go start another state. Yes, like yeah, you could become 385 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,319 the governor of a place if you mess. That's kind of the story of 386 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,359 Deadwood. I think that's most outlaws, right, they just go to another 387 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,759 town to come sheriff. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I'm just the best 388 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:53,400 gun guy here. So I'm I've worn out, I'm a welcome better move 389 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,480 eight miles it start a new laugh. Yea. Yeah, I don't know 390 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,079 why you have to go all the way to California. No, yeah, 391 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,119 just it's the furthest you can go down the streets, go to Kansas, 392 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,079 man, I kind of get Just go as far as you can, no, 393 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,839 because then you know, you know, just move over to the next 394 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:11,920 town where you're welcome there, and then the next time, next time, 395 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,440 keep moving down the road. Despite already proving he was completely untrustworthy and unreliable, 396 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,000 they agreed to let him do so. This new route was incredibly treacherous 397 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,599 because well it wasn't a root at all. This were added as things like 398 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,039 removing trees to get waggons through. We're part of their daily routine. The 399 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:36,119 party was traveling only one point five miles a day through this tough stress sikes 400 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,039 not good, not great. For context, pioneers would average around fifteen yeaheah, 401 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,079 that makes sense, so way behind man. Fifteen miles a day, 402 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:51,480 by the way, is also awful. It's nothing if that's all you're doing 403 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:53,799 all day. They're just walking. But I mean, like the wagons and 404 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,880 shit. So let's say this walking. You go, what's a walk like 405 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,279 five miles an hour? Yeah, just about, so you could walk probably 406 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,519 fifteen miles and three hours. Yeah, I mean, like taking breaks and 407 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,839 stuff, you could probably get like, I don't know, like you probably 408 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,680 get fifteen sounds slow fifty miles. It is slow. For example, I 409 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,000 mean, for context, that would be a bad march for a Napoleonic army. 410 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,680 And this is thirty years after Napoleon. Like Napoleon's whole thing was he 411 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,440 was like Blitzkrieg before blitz Creek. Like he just fucking moved. He could 412 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,519 march dudes real, real well without totally wearing the mountain shit like that. 413 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:32,279 He just had a good marching army. Yeah, fifteen miles in a day, 414 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:37,000 that's like light work for an a whole army full of wagons. Yeah, 415 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:44,440 as they're crossing these mountains, they're about eighty seven deep. Just kind 416 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,599 of context for how many people were in the party. Yeah, once they 417 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,039 get through the Wassout mountains, the party was deeply unprepared for the desert conditions 418 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,359 of salt lakes. So you get a little mountain, a little desert, 419 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,880 you get a lot of different climates. It's America, baby, Where are 420 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:06,680 the about right now? There in Utah Utah huh okay. Interesting, wagons 421 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,119 were routinely getting stuck in sandy elements. Water supplies were very low, and 422 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,400 oxen were just either dying or running off, just leaving like this. Even 423 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,279 the animals were like, you know how, you guys are stupid. These 424 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,119 are dumb tick chances with the wolves. Yeah, we're just dying and little 425 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:29,200 bit faster. Yeah. On September twenty sixth, they reached the Humboldt River 426 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:34,200 and finished the Haystins cut off. They made it, all right, die 427 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,359 not that many yet, okay, but we're only so it's mostly just long 428 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,039 and annoying. We're only in Utah. Okay. Well, it's it delays 429 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:51,400 them quite a bit, Okay, And that's an important note that they were 430 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640 only going one point five miles a day. Yeah, and they basically weren't. 431 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,799 I mean, if they're going to California and they're in Utah and that's 432 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,559 how fast they're going, they're fucked. They're going to hit a certain location 433 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,119 when they shouldn't hit the location somewhere I imagine in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. 434 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,839 Yeah, that would be correct, right, Yeah, yeah, somewhere between 435 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,279 San Francisco and Lake Tahoe. They were a month behind schedule and decided it 436 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:17,440 would be best, do you know what, let the cattle chill for a 437 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,200 few days, give a break the ox and the cattle. Yeah, they 438 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,720 had cattle too that they just didn't need. They're just driving cattle. They're 439 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720 like, oh, we'll have this here, we'll have it for us to 440 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240 make our new life, I mean infury. It's not a bad idea. 441 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,839 Yeah, they had a problem with the cattle though, Natives would just go 442 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,880 and steal them. Yeah. Yeah. Quite often they ended up losing hundreds 443 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240 of cattle. Yeah, it sounds right. One incident where they lost twenty 444 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,160 one in one night. That's really bad. Imagine. Let me put it. 445 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:52,000 It's like, imagine you're walking from one end of the country to the 446 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,240 other today and you just have all your money on you. But the way 447 00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,200 you have it on you isn't a wallet. You t hundred dollar bills to 448 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,079 a rope, and you just dragged that rope behind you. Yeah, from 449 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,480 one end of the country to the other. Ten thousand dollars worth one hundred 450 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:14,359 dollar bills. It's a seventy five yard rope. So roughly during this stretch 451 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:20,359 in Utah oxen or running off or dying cattle or getting stolen and gone, 452 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,839 they kind of have to ditch a couple of these wagons because they have to 453 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:29,240 manually pull them. Oh my god, Oh not fun. Don't have enough 454 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,559 toddlers for that. The toddler strategy is just where they went wrong from They 455 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,720 picked up a lot of grown men on the way there's eighty seven. Now 456 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,759 the thirty one was, you know, only half toddler. Okay, okay, 457 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,039 fair enough. There's plenty of grown men in this party. That's a 458 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,240 bad toddler ratio, though half toddlers shouldn't be one to one. Though it's 459 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:57,039 got awful maybe teenagers. I didn't look into a Yeah, yeah, there's 460 00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:02,599 a thirteen year old. We'll get to. So they had to manually pull 461 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,200 these wagons. The group began getting kind of testy, especially towards James Reid. 462 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,960 Yeah, you pull a wagon yourself for a couple of days and you 463 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,839 start to fucking hate everybody. Yeah, I imagine, so, which is 464 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,559 why I don't still think it's weird that you're like a great weekend shiveling limestone 465 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,039 because he's doing it as a hobby. It was a hobby. It's just 466 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,000 like I wanted to landscape my art. I come in from. Yeah, 467 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,440 but you're doing it. You're not doing it seriously. You're doing it as 468 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,079 I mean seriously. You're not doing it professionally. No, you're not doing 469 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,680 it day in and day out. Yeah yeah, no, it's fine, 470 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:42,599 Like it's I can take a break whenever I want, you know, you're 471 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,480 using it to just like connect with your wife. I'm using it just to 472 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:52,000 make my house look better. Yeah, but hm. On October fifth, 473 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,880 two wagons got caught up in one another and the driver, John Snyder, 474 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,000 started whipping the feud remaining Oxen. Reid didn't care for that, and he 475 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:05,680 ordered him to stop, and when Snyder told him the fuck off, Reid 476 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,039 stabbed him in the stomach. Oh that's a good move. Yeah, yeah, 477 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:13,000 killing Snyder days later from the wounds road rage. Oh my god, 478 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,199 he had one. He had a festering wound. Death, festering stomach wound. 479 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,440 Yeah, terribly out, pretty long on your stomach. Damn. I 480 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,000 believe they show that in Reservoir Dogs. Yeah, he's shot in the stomach. 481 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:30,360 It's just I actually remember we talked about this before in another episode, 482 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,599 but that Civil War book I talked about reading as a kid, one of 483 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,760 his friends, like an older guy. It's like something like a friend's dad 484 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,559 who he's serving in the Confederate Armory with shot in the stomach, and that 485 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,760 just like has a horrible, painful, long death in this children's book. 486 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,599 Yeah, well like middle school book, right, Yeah, it's like for 487 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,000 a seventh grader yeah, yeah, like fifth, sixth, seventh grade. 488 00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:00,199 Yeah. A deliberation sorry between the group on how to handle this murder broke 489 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:06,679 out. Some wanted him hung, but ultimately it was decided that Reid would 490 00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,239 be exiled from the group, left to wander to the desert by himself. 491 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,400 That's I mean, he's got as good a shot as them at this point, 492 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,119 right, Yeah, he's gonna travel faster than them. Yeah. Oh 493 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:23,119 he's light. Yeah. Two days after shunning Red, another older member of 494 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:28,559 the party named hard Coop was growing weak and could not continue, so they 495 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,159 threw him out of the wagon, left him to die. Good lord, 496 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,039 these are brutal. So they got mad at one guy for murdering someone and 497 00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:39,559 then immediately turn around and murder a person for being weak, old old, 498 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,159 Yeah you brought him. I blame the Toddlers for this as well. I 499 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,599 imagine it's some sort of children of the Coin situation. Their eyes just turned 500 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,840 red. No, kill, kill the weak one, and kill the outlander. 501 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,239 A few days after this, a man named wolf Finger was killed by 502 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,920 Native Americans in a gunfight, and a week after that, William Pike was 503 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,440 shot and killed in an alleged accident. M So it's slowly developing like devolving 504 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:15,039 into chaos over here. I think it just sounds like an average trip West. 505 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,599 I will turn this wagon around, you think, so help me? 506 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,840 God? You think this is all a lot of them went kind of what 507 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,199 do you think like this success? Like until they start eating each other? 508 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,440 I don't know. You can probably look it up, like what the mortality 509 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,159 rate of a trip West? I'm really curious about that, So I'm going 510 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,360 to look that up while you go. Then Charles Stanton decided to ride ahead 511 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,000 and reach Sutter's Fort get in two new Hispanic companions that assured the party it 512 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:45,559 would not snow in this Sierra Nevada's until November. So the group pushed on, 513 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,480 but as luck would have it, snow began a little early that year. 514 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,239 Oh. Surprisingly low mortality rates on at least the Oregon Trail. What 515 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,920 was it, four to six percent of immigrant side. That is shockingly loads. 516 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,519 Yeah, so this party not doing great. They are on the really 517 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,679 you know tilts the statistics. Yeah, they reached Trucky Lake and encountered a 518 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,400 snowed in blocked pass and they had no choice but the hunker down and ride 519 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,920 out the winter in the Sierra Nevadas in the middle of the mountains. M 520 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,840 Yeah, people do that for fun now. Yeah, they're they're in a 521 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,840 vacation to the mountains. They're in a beautiful spot. It's a scenic death 522 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:32,280 trucky. Trucky is pretty solid. Like they're right by Tahoe. That's really 523 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,280 funny. Yeah, there's actually if you drive from Tahoe to San Francisco, 524 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:43,280 you take the Donner Pass like you drive it. Yeah, that's funny. 525 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:50,360 Got named after them. Food supplies were already scarce and everything went fast. 526 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,559 William Eddie was a brief hero after killing and bringing back a bear to the 527 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:59,679 party, but that meat was gone in a blink of an eye. Obviously, 528 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,920 I had to share a bear with you know, eighty people. That's 529 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,039 like one meal. Yeah, I think it's more than one meal. I 530 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,679 don't know, man, how you can Yeah, yeah, I mean it 531 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,039 is, but like it's not a lot. It's gotta be. It's also 532 00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:17,079 a bear in winter. Maybe it's it's like a fat bear. If it 533 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,760 it would be a fat bear, so like maybe a week. Yeah, 534 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,960 you could stretch it, you really could. I mean bones for Brad. 535 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,320 Well, here we go. Once they ran out of food, they cow 536 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,920 bones and hide, followed by leather tree bark, and then uh what they 537 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,559 were using for the roofing of their makeshift shelters. What was that poop? 538 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:43,159 More hide? Oh just hide? See And I feel like this is one 539 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,880 of those things where these are the type of people that didn't ration correctly too, 540 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,079 Like you gotta imagine, like they weren't looking a month ahead. They 541 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:52,719 were like, oh shit, we got a bunch of meat, let's eat 542 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,079 it all. Yeah, oh we're ahead of schedule. Yeah, extra meat 543 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,480 to that in the stew boys. Right, Things got pretty desperate, so 544 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,199 seventeen individuals known as the Snowshoe Party in the camp attempted to make it on 545 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,719 foot through the pass and get help. Now that's like those dudes that leave 546 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,840 the grocery store in the midst Yeah they don't come back. Oh yeah, 547 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,559 they got lost two days in. Yeah, and without food. A name 548 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:23,360 a man named Patrick Dolan. Throughout the idea, some were already probably thinking 549 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,480 but to start eating each other of course, yeah, cannibalism. Did they 550 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:36,280 start with the veal? Well, they debated how they would decide who should 551 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,840 be sacrificed for the group, But before they could start picking straws. A 552 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,280 teamster named Antonio keeled over and died. Oh perfect, Hey, team player, 553 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:51,320 definitely a team player. Franklin Grays followed soon after. Oh damn, 554 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:59,320 two bodies too quick. They started uh on those two guys, and it 555 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:05,760 was pretty quick when the people started to get delirious and crazy from eating human. 556 00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,840 Oh they got mad cow right away. Patrick Dolan died running through the 557 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:17,639 snow naked, Okay, after eating at like right after eating, not after. 558 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,679 I think he had a panic attack. That's I think it's nerves more 559 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,239 than anything. It's not nerves. It's literally just these brutal months combined with 560 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,519 eating another human and everything just there was a tipping point, right, nerves, 561 00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:30,880 that's quite literally nerves. That's what I'm saying. He's having a panic 562 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,639 attack. He's having like a nervous break. He just lost it. I 563 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,360 don't even know what you're saying, the same thing I know. But panic 564 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,079 attack makes it sound worse or not worse, but like almost not as he's 565 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,840 frantic, insane, he went insane. He had Okay, he had a 566 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,639 psychotic break, yes, okay, he wasn't just having like oh my god, 567 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,360 I'm losing my mind, like he started doing snow angels naked. Yeah. 568 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840 I mean that probably combined, like you said, with the conditions, 569 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,280 and he probably probably was having hypo exhausted. Yeah, it's like a state 570 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,960 of dude, what the fuck am I doing? Some of the more noble 571 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,760 individuals in the group decided to just starve. They want to eat human respect 572 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,679 honestly. Also like a party, you has got to be like that guy's 573 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,480 gross. Yeah, dude, don't want to Do you want to eat a 574 00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:20,199 fat guy? Or do you want to eat like an old guy? You 575 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,440 know what I mean? It's just like do you smell it cooking? Though? 576 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:28,159 You gotta cook? I guess that's the thing that I bet gets everybody. 577 00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,599 You're hungry and someone's like, fuck it, we're doing this, and 578 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,599 you're like, I don't want to and then they start roasting. You're smell 579 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,119 cooking me? Just cooking meat. At a certain point, I'm not mad. 580 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,119 What's kind of barbecue? All right? Those who decided to starve, 581 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:49,360 of course, began food. It's like you're either gonna eat us, are 582 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,880 you gonna be eating? It's literally eat or be eaten. Yeah. January 583 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,360 nineteenth, what was left of the snowshoe party reached the Johnson Ranch in the 584 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,920 Sacramento Valley. Hey, they made it. William Eddie then went to Sumter 585 00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:07,440 Fort to request help to go back for the rest of the dinner party, 586 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:15,320 and he discovered that James Reed made it too. Oh the guy they sent 587 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,519 the man fort. He was like, yeah, it was easy alone. 588 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,960 Oh my god. So the best this is the best fate. They could 589 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,360 have abandoned me to, like left me to. And Reid himself was trying 590 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,639 to put together a search party because his family was with the rest of the 591 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,840 people. Yeah, he was like where are they? Yeah, he so 592 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,320 he was trying to like get a rescue party going. However, if you 593 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:43,400 recall it was eighteen forty six, well, war going on, the war 594 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,599 going on, I can't really spare any troops with the Mexican American War happening, 595 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:51,639 and they're going to California, which is a Mexican territory, not even 596 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,199 part of America at that point. Yikes. Won't speak for a couple of 597 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,360 years. I what were these you know what? They were getting there at 598 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,679 the right time though, apparently, I mean three years later, Colonel at 599 00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,599 the Fort decided we can spare the troops but you get to wait till February. 600 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,960 I would be so annoyed. If I was a troop, I'd be 601 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000 like, dude, what gotta go on another fucking trip through the mound. 602 00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:21,199 It's like in Aliens when they're annoyed they have to go save the colonists, 603 00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:25,000 and they're like, God, damn fucking calling us. Yeah, oh yeah. 604 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:28,679 After a war, especially the Mexican American one, you'd be like, 605 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:30,559 now they're in the war, they even get to get some You gotta go 606 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,960 find a bunch of idiots in a mountain. Yeah, you're not even on 607 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,360 like a you're not even fighting anybody. No, you're not with Zachary Taylor 608 00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:43,039 or Winfield Scott. And you just know they're not human at this point. 609 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,960 You know what they've done. Oh yeah, how long they've been out there? 610 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:51,719 No, just leave it. 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There 666 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,360 might be more at this point, but eventually. Yeah. So the final 667 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,960 number the people, the amount of people that make it, eighty nine people 668 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:28,360 went into the Sierra Nevada Mountains, forty eight came out. Honestly, for 669 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,880 as grand as they make the Donner Party sound, the fact that over fifty 670 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,039 percent made it, that's not bad. It could be worse. Again, 671 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,880 you said the rate was six percent. Yeah, oh catastrophic. I'm just 672 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,119 saying, with the reputation of the Donner Party where it makes it sound like 673 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,880 everybody, I'm sure it was a nightmare. Rob. I'm just I'm just 674 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,920 saying people overplaying. I don't think so. For how stupid these people were, 675 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,880 I think it's a miracle that many survived. Yeah, batting five hundred 676 00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,519 for these morons, Oh like that's pretty incredible. They kept bringing on extra 677 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:05,360 mouths, Yeah, like they planned for zero mishaps. Also, like the 678 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,199 two Hispanic homies they picked up along the way that were like guiding them through 679 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:14,960 the Sierra about us they killed in eight Well, I mean of course they 680 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,719 did they why not? Yeah, well of course they did, right, 681 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,079 they don't really have any affiliation with us. I have a question for you. 682 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:27,400 Were they like insanely close to help the whole time or something like that 683 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,000 to wasn't it like a whole part of it? No? Okay, there 684 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,760 wasn't a fort just over the other The ford is the one that you're talking 685 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,000 about. But yeah, the pass is completely blocked. It snowed in, 686 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,800 and yeah they couldn't. They had to wait an entire month for the rescue 687 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,360 party. Yeah, I mean like from proximity though, like I'm sure it 688 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:50,599 was I guess, relatively close. It's wild I believe how close they were 689 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,400 actually, Yeah, but like you know, it was a quarter mile. 690 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,880 It's like, yeah, they could see it. No, it's not like 691 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,760 that, but ten ten miles back then, ain't ten miles? No, 692 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,320 they're only getting one and a half, right, Like, Yeah. Some 693 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,519 of these people also died on the way back. Some waited for the or 694 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,719 died waiting for the second relief team, and some died when they eventually made 695 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,880 it. There was a story of a kid that was so hungry, so 696 00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:20,199 starved that when he did eventually get to the fort and was able to eat 697 00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,119 food, he consumed too much and his stomach just kind of fucking Yep. 698 00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:28,800 That was a problem with the concentration survivors. Man. Yeah, they died 699 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,480 a lot. That's a good scene in Bander Brothers. Actually, when the 700 00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:36,440 doctor has to be like, you gotta stop fucking feeding them right now. 701 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,320 You gotta lock them back up or they're gonna die. Yeah, pretty much. 702 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,519 There was a I believe when they went back for like the second or 703 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:51,079 even the third rescue party, there was one guy left who very clearly murdered 704 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,760 the rest of the party around him, I mean at him in a circle 705 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:02,199 of dead people, like missing chunks. But ever, no one faced charges 706 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:07,519 for murder or cannibalism. They're not even in America. Who's charging them the 707 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:12,159 Mexican government that they're trying to throw out that there's nothing going on. But 708 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,599 they had a reputational hit for the rest of their lives. You ate, 709 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,440 somebody just move another town over. It's not a good reputation to have. 710 00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,360 Hey, they don't have the Sailors Code, the Sailors forgiveness. You remember 711 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,960 that sailors. It's like you were at sea. It's all right, we 712 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,159 get it. What happens at sea, different rules. What happens when you're 713 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:37,880 dumb ass and get lost in the snow on you when there's no winter rules? 714 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:42,599 And that is the Donner Party and the James James Reed Party or the 715 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,840 James Reid Party made it well, Reed made it. It's party one. 716 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:50,679 I'm not sure how much of his family survived, doubtful many. He made 717 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,280 it. That's all I care about. I'm sure he cared about his kids 718 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,679 and shit, he had a perfectly fine life. When you talk about Springfield, 719 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,679 Illinois, He's moved six states over. He's fine, He's gonna just 720 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,639 start a new family. You're right, he had a fine life. Now, 721 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:09,039 were they going for the gold Rush? No, that that's what I'm 722 00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:12,320 saying. Like they were getting there at the right time. Yeah, yeah, 723 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,440 early, you know. Just and maybe I'll do a follow up episode 724 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,639 on, like James Reid what he ended up doing. Crushing It did crush 725 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,800 Yeah, the wealthiest man in California. Yeah yeah, it was almost named 726 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,239 reed Sylvania. And that is the story the Donner Party, which you guys 727 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:37,159 learned today. I learned that don't pick up hitchhikers. Don't pick up hitchhikers 728 00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:40,119 ever, don't ever do that, And then I kind of I didn't. 729 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:45,760 There's something, man, you almost got killed by that sort of than you 730 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,320 know on que for this episode. That would have been pretty ironic. If 731 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,119 he died telling the Donner party, mm hmm, I would eat a little 732 00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:58,079 bit of you in honor of the episode. If he died right here, 733 00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,960 I would get the our lighter over there. We just like get a toe. 734 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,800 We get a toe, you know what it's like, take a chunk 735 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,639 of that ass, a little bacon. There's actually a big enough knife here. 736 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:09,440 We can get a little dan bacon. Yeah, we do that planning 737 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,880 to despair there, Yeah, little pool pork, the medic shows up. 738 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,599 What are you doing? You said it was fine, it's February film. 739 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,960 Yeah, we got have the evidence. You can't legally say it's okay for 740 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,440 us to eat and we eat you. Unfortunately, in this fucking free country 741 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,320 we live in, I learned that you should probably not trust a random dude 742 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:38,119 who's like, yeah, don't worry, I got this. Don't trust everything 743 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:43,039 you read, like, trust the people that are in the locale, not 744 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:46,320 just the map that someone wrote. Yeah, I mean I learned what we 745 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:52,000 were talking about earlier. Planning for failure is planning for failure. Planning for 746 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:57,760 success clearly is also planning for failure. Bring more food. Maybe the two 747 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,800 story wagons isn't the movie. It's definitely not the surprise that gusta wind did 748 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,360 knock one of those fuckers out. I'm trying to fathom what it really looked 749 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,119 like, because like in my head, you know, there's this like it's 750 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,039 just a taller, it's a tall wag and like there's a ladder and like 751 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:16,559 shit, I wouldn't feel comfortable sleeping on that second. It be like a 752 00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:22,320 trailer. Yeah, but like Joe in the back towed by something. It's 753 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,280 like a trailer towed by VW golf, you know, Like it's just I 754 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,719 don't understand. Maybe he need more oxen. Yeah no, I mean you 755 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,920 said they did. I just the fact they planned for no mishaps, zero 756 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,119 zero buffer. We're getting in right on budget. Planning for failure is planning 757 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,880 for failure, so is planning to succeed? Alright, Clearly, who is 758 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,760 today's hitler? We said Hastings. It could be somebody else, though, 759 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,039 I said Hastings. I think everyone who planned it, everyone who planned that 760 00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,440 trip and said we don't read. Because he also survived. He I think 761 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,079 he got excellent. He stabbed the guy just to get exiled on purpose. 762 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,239 Brilliant move. Yeah, get away from your family, that family vacation. 763 00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:14,960 You just need to get away. Yeah, now your dad just screams at 764 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,360 a waiter read stabbed the guy. Yeah, yeah, so we're softer, 765 00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,280 Yeah, we're soft. A proper con stabbed a guy because he was upset 766 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:29,039 that he was hurting the oxen. Weird whipping the oxen, whipping them, 767 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,320 probably because he was he believed he was hurting the oxen. Oh, I 768 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,800 think he's hurting. No hurting, Okay, yeah, yeah, but you 769 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,719 know, the oxen probably didn't want to move as much, and the guy 770 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,599 was trying to get them to move. Got the fuck, dude, People 771 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,559 like their animals. He's probably stop whipping. I like these animals, stop 772 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,000 fucking hurting them. At a certain point, I'm eating the oxen. Yeah, 773 00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,719 I mean eating the oxen before you eat the people. I imagine the 774 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,400 oxen. I think the hitler is whoever came up with the idea for people 775 00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,599 to pull the wagons themselves because he probably didn't do it. Definitely not. 776 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,960 He's like, it's probably a woman, every woman that didn't pull that wagon, 777 00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,400 or an old guy and the old too. Oh, actually everyone for 778 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,400 throwing the old guy out. The old old guy come upping Hardcoop. I 779 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,960 guarantee you he was the one that thought of it. He was probably a 780 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,320 hobo, like Rob said, Yeah, where'd we find you? Who likes 781 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:28,079 this guy? Are you? You're in the spot, man, get in 782 00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:31,440 there, you're yeah, you want to really hot, like at third in 783 00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:36,559 line at worst for meals. Every day he says creepy stuff all the time. 784 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:38,840 It never pulls the share. Just yeah, he hasn't pulled a wagon 785 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,920 one day, one fucking day. Yeah, he's always just too happy to 786 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,280 eat. Not man, Hey, you want the hottest bath you've ever had, 787 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,000 brother, get in there, get in that cauldron. That's our episode 788 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,119 for today. Again, not going to promote it. Patreon dot com slash 789 00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,440 Softcore History. Two additional episodes every week, evergreen content. We got two 790 00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:04,960 years of a back catalog. We have game shows, we have a normal 791 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,119 episode like this, We have voicemails, a lot of more user friendly content. 792 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,679 We have a discord that you get access to so you can kind of 793 00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,840 all talk to each other and meet up and whatnot. But again, I'm 794 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,440 not gonna promote this. I'm not gonna promote right why we're gonna do it'll 795 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,199 do that. Oh, we also have a YouTube which I'm not gonna promote 796 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,639 software history on YouTube, you get to see our lovely faces in four K. 797 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,719 I don't know if Rob likes that. What's four k? Four thousand? 798 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,559 Ook good this week? So I like Muloch's this week. Yeah, 799 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:42,199 Rob's looking hot. Happy birthday Rob? Hmm. That preemptive for next year. 800 00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:45,719 No, it's belated. I'm not gonna do it. I didn't expect 801 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:51,920 you too, never expected that out of you. Good. Make sure to 802 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,800 leave a review five stars, please and thank you so I can drink again. 803 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,800 We are about fifty away, so need I don't care what you leave, 804 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:02,039 just leave a reveal five Well, we care that you leave five stars. 805 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,760 Someone left four Yeah, but I think that's a knock at me because 806 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,000 I've been on record saying I wide leave four stars. That's a yeah, 807 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,440 that's a bit we don't want you to do though, five stars. That's 808 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:19,519 not a good bit. That that bit hurts us materially, but thanks for 809 00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:24,079 tuning in. Ladies and gentlemen, We love you if you listen every week. 810 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:28,880 If you don't, maybe not so much. We like you. If 811 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,239 you're just tuning in it's your first episode. You're chill. You know, 812 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,519 I'm not. I don't really know you, So maybe she keep showing up 813 00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:40,920 and we'll develop a relationship. I already loved all of you, so yeah, 814 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,320 but I guess you can try and win over Dan's affection if that's I 815 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,760 don't like to just throw out love willy nilly, Yeah, we know it's 816 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,320 yeah, you don't even I'm sorry. Why would you throw it out? 817 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,119 You don't feel anything. I just don't even think you like your dog. 818 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:57,840 I love Chase, but I took him that. It took him like thirteen 819 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,960 years. He is thirteen. Yeah, he just got it. Chase. 820 00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:05,960 Old Chase is just mind his own business, like Hardcoop Chase. Chase is 821 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:10,519 kind of hm hmmm, like I'm old. He's getting tossed out of a 822 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:14,639 wagon. I'm old, you know, Like it's just like we get it, 823 00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:19,239 bro, You're old, like everyone gets old, Jase. Come on 824 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,840 anyway, thanks for tuning in for Rob Fox Jake Coleman, I'm damn Regester 825 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:25,960 and you just got saw served